Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here,
Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of
Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election.
Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade
Speaker 2: the studio ad staff, give you, guys, the best independent coverage.
Speaker 3: That is possible.
Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means
Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support. But enough with that,
Speaker 2: let's get to the show. Very excited to be joined
Speaker 2: by Oliver Stone. He's got a new film, Nuclear Now.
Speaker 2: Let's take a look at the trailer and then I'm
Speaker 2: going to get you an interview with him.
Speaker 1: We may have come to a point in time when
Speaker 1: Earth is asking us, do you know what you're doing?
Speaker 1: Most of our power still comes from burning gas and coal, and.
Speaker 4: The amount is going up, not down.
Speaker 3: If we do not cut carbon emissions by nearly one
Speaker 3: hundred percent, the world will suffer serious damage.
Speaker 4: This is an even bigger problem than we thought.
Speaker 3: The answer to solving climate change is very straightforward.
Speaker 4: What's the best solution, in your mind? Largely nuclear?
Speaker 1: Nuclear?
Speaker 4: Nuclear. We've been trained from the very beginning to fear
Speaker 4: nuclear power. The very thing that we fear is what
Speaker 4: may save us.
Speaker 5: What's scary is not the same as what's dangerous. Coal
Speaker 5: is dangerous. Now more people die from coal in a
Speaker 5: couple of weeks than I've ever died from nuclear, which
Speaker 5: is all from the one accident in Chernobyl.
Speaker 3: First question is what about the waste.
Speaker 4: Nuclear waste is nothing compared to climate change.
Speaker 2: Once you understand it, people have a better sense of
Speaker 2: not being afraid.
Speaker 5: We have to provide clean, affordable energy to the world
Speaker 5: in general.
Speaker 3: We need to move faster. We do this for our families,
Speaker 3: We do this for killed this generation.
Speaker 4: We've run out of time to be afraid.
Speaker 2: Joining us now is the legend Oliver Stone. He is
Speaker 2: the director of the creator of the new film Nuclear Now.
Speaker 2: It's a very important film which I believe everyone should see. Sarah,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Nice to see you back again.
Speaker 4: Saga.
Speaker 2: Oh of course. So first of all, Oliver, you know
Speaker 2: we've heard a little bit from you and the Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan experience and more, but a big proponent of nuclear
Speaker 2: power and we wanted to have a discussion here to
Speaker 2: focus primarily to the skeptics of which some of you
Speaker 2: engage with in the film, and which you were kind
Speaker 2: enough in order to show me a few months ago.
Speaker 2: So first of all, just why did you decide to
Speaker 2: make this film?
Speaker 1: Well, because the future, you know, it's I was concerned
Speaker 1: that we've been hearing so much about climate change and
Speaker 1: the changes in the in the atmosphere, so that you
Speaker 1: know the thing is that we're not dealing with it.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk and a lot of hyperbole.
Speaker 1: People say we're getting better, but we looked at all
Speaker 1: the facts. I read this book that we bought in
Speaker 1: I bought in nineteen twenty nineteen. It was called A
Speaker 1: Bright Future by Josh Goldstein and by Stefan Scovist, a
Speaker 1: Swedish nuclear scientist. The book is very simple, lays out
Speaker 1: the facts where we came from in nineteen eighty, two
Speaker 1: thousand and now twenty twenty, period to twenty fifty and
Speaker 1: looking ahead, we just aren't going to make it. The
Speaker 1: atmosphere is going to get warmer, and we're not getting
Speaker 1: rid of the carbon dioxide pollution that's all over the world.
Speaker 1: It's in the atmosphere and not year by year. It
Speaker 1: seems to climb a little bit now people talk about
Speaker 1: all these changes like renewables, wind and solar and hydropower changes,
Speaker 1: but you don't see the result in the graphs.
Speaker 3: And the IPCC, the.
Speaker 1: International Panel inter Government Panel on Climate Control, it's a
Speaker 1: un body. Many scientists are in it. It's a very
Speaker 1: solid organization. They've been right. They're nineteen eighty graphs, they're
Speaker 1: two thousand drafts. They were right on the money. From now,
Speaker 1: from two thousand and twenty twenty, things have not gotten better.
Speaker 1: We've spent billions of dollars, in fact, trillions of dollars
Speaker 1: on renewables and it hasn't gotten better. So we're kidding
Speaker 1: ourselves and we really have to think seriously from two
Speaker 1: thousand and five fifty back to now, kind of be
Speaker 1: analytical about it. And that's what.
Speaker 4: This book is.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to put it into film terms because
Speaker 1: it's dry reading. But frankly, it's very difficult to to
Speaker 1: concretize science.
Speaker 3: But that was a challenge for me. I think the
Speaker 3: movie speaks for itself.
Speaker 1: It's very clear that nuclear is not the only answer,
Speaker 1: but certainly it's a backup. It's a backup, very important
Speaker 1: backup to what we're doing now. And this will really
Speaker 1: cut the CO two down because basically it's clean energy.
Speaker 1: It completely clean, it has no side effects. The problem
Speaker 1: with our presence solutions are we keep putting in renewables,
Speaker 1: but renewables don't work all the time because of the
Speaker 1: sun is not always out, it's night, it's winter. Certain
Speaker 1: climates are better than other climates. As a result, we
Speaker 1: back it up with gas. And that's why the oil
Speaker 1: companies love gas because they call themselves the perfect partner
Speaker 1: for renewables. But what it is essentially gas leaks all
Speaker 1: along the line.
Speaker 3: This is methane.
Speaker 1: As we try to show in the film, it's invisible,
Speaker 1: you don't see it, but it's almost twenty five of
Speaker 1: the global warming problem is now methane. That's serious, right,
Speaker 1: So we have to get rid of the coal. We
Speaker 1: have to get rid of the oil, which is hard,
Speaker 1: and we have to get rid of the gas. And
Speaker 1: the only way we can really do anything about this
Speaker 1: is to bring in an alternate energy like nuclear energy,
Speaker 1: which has been proven clean, reliable and scalable, scalable in
Speaker 1: a time frame that makes sense before twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: We recently had an RFK junior on the show. We
Speaker 2: actually asked him about nuclear power and One of the
Speaker 2: reasons that he gave for why he was opposed is
Speaker 2: that he says an insurance company would not be able
Speaker 2: to deliver them a policy. I'm curious what you make
Speaker 2: of that argument and of others who have good faith
Speaker 2: disagreements around nuclear power.
Speaker 1: I admire Robert very much, in fact supporting it. I mean,
Speaker 1: his campaign is a breath of fresh air. He says
Speaker 1: things that don't get said in our culture. But on
Speaker 1: this issue, I think he's unfortunately behind the eight ball.
Speaker 1: We are really in a hole, and I think it's
Speaker 1: much darker than he knows or may know, and he's
Speaker 1: not facing up to the truth of this, which is
Speaker 1: it's bad news for everybody in the world. It's going
Speaker 1: to get much harder, and you have to take some chance.
Speaker 1: You have to take some initiative. Nothing important, airline travel,
Speaker 1: all kinds of breakthroughs in medicine cannot occur without some
Speaker 1: kind of risk. Okay, so the insurance companies won't handle
Speaker 1: it well. So what, there's governments all over the world
Speaker 1: that can back up this issue. You don't need insurance companies,
Speaker 1: you need government cooperation and backup, as they have in
Speaker 1: all these big countries that are doing anything.
Speaker 3: The most advanced people in nuclear energy.
Speaker 1: Or China and Russia by far have Rosea TOM is
Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifty thousand man agency.
Speaker 3: They do a great job not.
Speaker 1: Only developed nuclear energy inside their own countries, but they
Speaker 1: export it to many countries who are willing to make
Speaker 1: arrangements with them. They put in turn key plants in
Speaker 1: places like Bangladesh, Turkey all over the world. China is
Speaker 1: building the most ferociously. Of course they have the most coal,
Speaker 1: but they are building as far as I know, committing
Speaker 1: four hundred and forty billion dollars to their program by nineteen.
Speaker 1: By twenty and thirty eight, they expect to have one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty new nuclear actors online, which means, in
Speaker 1: addition to this fifty sum that they have now, they're
Speaker 1: going to be the world's leader in nuclear reactors in
Speaker 1: terms of volume. That's quite significant. And President she has
Speaker 1: made a commitment to the United Nations that by twenty sixty.
Speaker 3: He won't be a net zero in terms of emissions.
Speaker 3: It's a big statement.
Speaker 1: I hope they can live up to it, because that
Speaker 1: would be the key the United States and China would
Speaker 1: be the key in terms of population key the biggest
Speaker 1: players here.
Speaker 3: In terms of changing this changing the way we do business.
Speaker 2: Oliver, what went wrong for the climate left in the
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies. You talk some about that in the film.
Speaker 2: Where did the missteps happen? And what were some of
Speaker 2: the dangerous myths that kind of became concretized in a
Speaker 2: lot of people's minds who do believe in climate change.
Speaker 1: Whether I believed in it or not, some conservatives don't,
Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter. The point is we still must
Speaker 1: do the right thing, and nuclear energy is the right
Speaker 1: thing to do. It's cleanest energy of all, doesn't require backup.
Speaker 3: That's very important. It's functioned self reliant on its own.
Speaker 3: Once you build a nuclear reactory, it last fifty to
Speaker 3: sixty sometimes seventy.
Speaker 1: Years and very little maintenance. It's expensive at first, but
Speaker 1: it pays off in the end compared to what compared
Speaker 1: to what you have to keep asking compared to coal,
Speaker 1: compared to oil. Look at the damage from the all
Speaker 1: the waste it's in the atmosphere. All this is the
Speaker 1: responsibility of coal and oil and gas. We kept talking
Speaker 1: about the waste from nuclear nuclear plants, but that waste
Speaker 1: is nothing compared to the waste that we're facing now.
Speaker 1: The problem we have is waste. It's chemical waste, oil waste,
Speaker 1: gas waste. So it's just it's illogical to the way
Speaker 1: that it's being argued. The point is serious, it's a
Speaker 1: serious issue, and we don't face up to it because
Speaker 1: the numbers don't. The numbers are staring us in the face.
Speaker 1: So you asked, what was the question you asked, M.
Speaker 2: Sorry, just about what went wrong for people, oh, for
Speaker 2: the climate left in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 1: It's always a problem because you guys constant, a lot
Speaker 1: of people, a lot of news people concentrate on the
Speaker 1: pro nuclear anti nuclear argument, which is frankly senseless at
Speaker 1: this point because we're way beyond that. But in history,
Speaker 1: I think it will be written off as a great tragedy,
Speaker 1: a great tragedy, someone like the Kennedy killing, in the
Speaker 1: sense that we were going in the right direction. President
Speaker 1: Elisenhower is Adams for Peace program started the whole thing.
Speaker 1: The John Kennedy supported it entirely. They were building in
Speaker 1: America that we were on target. Had we built about
Speaker 1: one hundred and some reactors, one hundred and five ten reactors,
Speaker 1: and we were maybe more, a little bit more, but
Speaker 1: we were on this on the road completely nuclearizing our society,
Speaker 1: or a lot of it. Let's say we'd gotten up
Speaker 1: to eighty percent, ninety percent of our society. But that
Speaker 1: was on the way. In the nineteen seventies early seventies.
Speaker 1: We coming off of the Navy's program. The Navy had
Speaker 1: done initial work on nuclear submarines and tremendously successful. Him
Speaker 1: and rickover built submarines, and then he built the first
Speaker 1: civilian reactor for the government in shipping Port, Pennsylvania, had
Speaker 1: opened in nineteen fifty nine. Now that's important because, in
Speaker 1: other words, the Navy had set a pattern. Now, of course,
Speaker 1: with this military usage, they had enriched enriched uranium, which
Speaker 1: is not what we're using for civilian nuclear plants. We're
Speaker 1: not going to enrich the urager and that's a big
Speaker 1: difference between it being a bomb and it the nuclear energy.
Speaker 1: You cannot blow up a nuclear energy plant, a generator,
Speaker 1: so a reactor rather. So we came to this place
Speaker 1: where the United States is really moving along and it's
Speaker 1: a and we showed in the film of the vision
Speaker 1: of his society, and what happens is that essentially the
Speaker 1: Rockefeller foundation starts the war. It's the oil company business.
Speaker 4: John D.
Speaker 1: Rockefeller's foundation. His son was running it at that time.
Speaker 1: Not his son, No, at that time they were both dead.
Speaker 1: But the Rockefeller Foundation had tipped the scale with a
Speaker 1: report published in the New York Times in nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: six saying that any amount of radiation, any amount of
Speaker 1: radiation is dangerous to the human body. Is significant because
Speaker 1: it got public republished in the New York Times. The
Speaker 1: published for the New York Times. Needless to say, it
Speaker 1: was on the Rockefeller Foundation that puts the thumb on
Speaker 1: the scale. You don't need to advertise it, you just
Speaker 1: put it on the front page. It gets around radiation
Speaker 1: apparel to man, you know. Period. And that was the
Speaker 1: myth that kept going around and around and around. Even so,
Speaker 1: even the fact, even the fact that DNA had been
Speaker 1: discovered by Krick and Watson in England, and they had
Speaker 1: suggested and it's now been proved that DNA is repairing
Speaker 1: the body.
Speaker 4: As we live.
Speaker 3: We have a double we have a sense of a
Speaker 3: double person, double helix.
Speaker 1: The DNA is a repair mechanism by which we continue
Speaker 1: to survive, and that includes radiation.
Speaker 3: It repairs the radiation in your body. What people don't
Speaker 3: know is we walk around in radiation. Radiation is every day.
Speaker 1: It's inside the studio, it's inside your banana when you
Speaker 1: eat it. If you live at a higher altitude, it's
Speaker 1: more radiation, et cetera, et cetera. It's everywhere in the world.
Speaker 1: It's a fact of life. The radiation has kept the
Speaker 1: earth warm since the beginning of time. It's a belt
Speaker 1: of energy. It's a belt of tremendous warfth and energy,
Speaker 1: and it's a wonderful discovery. Riekoi discovered it in the
Speaker 1: eighteen ninety five, and she knew that they were on
Speaker 1: to a miracle energy here, that this was something different,
Speaker 1: that matter was energy. Einstein proved it in nineteen oh five.
Speaker 1: But then and Einstein was a big supporter of it.
Speaker 1: And then, of course we learned how to deal with
Speaker 1: nuclear energy. By the time of nineteen thirties, we improved,
Speaker 1: and in nineteen forty or roughly there, Fermi Enrico Fermi
Speaker 1: on our US program, we've managed to show out of
Speaker 1: control radiation control the uranium and so that we could
Speaker 1: have a limited energy usage for civilian purposes. However, the
Speaker 1: war was on and what is the natural instinct in
Speaker 1: war is to build the biggest bomb you can. So
Speaker 1: the unfortunately if timing was bad because energy, that energy
Speaker 1: was so valuable, but it was used to maximize the
Speaker 1: amount of damage that a bomb could do in the
Speaker 1: Hiroshima Nagasaki attacks, and those two bombs set off the
Speaker 1: fear of uranium and the fear forever of nuclear energy,
Speaker 1: which has really damaged to us because they're so different.
Speaker 1: As I said before, it's not nuclear energy is not
Speaker 1: enriched uranium.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they're completely different.
Speaker 4: You do so the job playing out.
Speaker 1: People will ever separate that, and they've confounded it ever
Speaker 1: since because of the word nuclear. We have a bunch
Speaker 1: of as you know, all those I grew up on
Speaker 1: horror movies in the nineteen fifties. Everything, every every mention
Speaker 1: of radiation was negative. Every Hollywood movie monsters, a radioactive
Speaker 1: spider could bite a man and he would be turned
Speaker 1: into Spider Man. There was all kinds of fantasies about it.
Speaker 1: And then the films in the nineteen seventies started to register,
Speaker 1: which was the China syndrome comes along. It's a good film,
Speaker 1: chain fund, Jack Lemon, It's made at the same time
Speaker 1: as it comes out at the same time as the
Speaker 1: three Mile Island breaks in the news, and that was
Speaker 1: a scare. There had been a shutdown, but there was
Speaker 1: no animeltdown, but there was no release of radiation in
Speaker 1: the area. There was a containment structure that was built.
Speaker 1: So it was much hyped and scared to people, but
Speaker 1: there was absolutely no damage to the civilian population a mile.
Speaker 3: It was a false accident, so to speak.
Speaker 1: It was an accident, but it didn't get out of hand,
Speaker 1: and they deal with and they keep improving these reactors, obviously,
Speaker 1: but then, of course ten years later we have the
Speaker 1: Turnable or seven years later, nineteen eighty six. Turnable is
Speaker 1: the worst accident in nuclear history, the only accident where
Speaker 1: people died. Really unfortunately, it's that we don't know that.
Speaker 1: We just feel the hysteria because again the film business,
Speaker 1: HBO made that horrible Churnable series of very successful, and
Speaker 1: it scared people.
Speaker 4: It works.
Speaker 1: You can scare people, that's the easiest thing to do.
Speaker 1: The hardest thing to do is to make them understand
Speaker 1: and believe yes, And that's always the problem with filmmakers.
Speaker 1: They have they tend to go the easier way out,
Speaker 1: so anyway, Turnable convinced people that this was a disaster,
Speaker 1: and of course many governments started to move in that direction.
Speaker 1: And then the Fukushima in two thousand and sixteen. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry twenty twelve my dates. I think it was twelve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was another called a nuclear disaster, when in fact
Speaker 1: no one died the Japanese citizens. It was a there
Speaker 1: was a what they call a hydrogen explosion. It was
Speaker 1: a built the sea wall was too low, the backup
Speaker 1: generators were flooded, but no one died. The reason twenty
Speaker 1: thousand people died was from the tsunami in Japan. Tsunami
Speaker 1: was the worst they ran and the worst earthquake following
Speaker 1: the worst earthquake they ra had. Twenty thousand people perished
Speaker 1: it and it was all called the nuclear disaster, which
Speaker 1: is a misnomer. So here we are reacting to all
Speaker 1: these hypothetical fears again from going back to the fear
Speaker 1: of radiation. Radiation we talk about in the film Radiation
Speaker 1: we live with. It's in our bodies. We go to
Speaker 1: the dentist, we get radiation. Huge amounts of radiation poured
Speaker 1: into us. If you are a cancer patient, you obviously
Speaker 1: know what chemotherapy is in radiation and what it does
Speaker 1: to you, But it has been highly effective in those persons,
Speaker 1: and people don't die unless, say, get massive, massive doses
Speaker 1: of it. So we're running around scared as usual and misinformed.
Speaker 2: Well luckily, though, Oliver, one of the things I thought
Speaker 2: was that your film would be a big c change.
Speaker 2: You're obviously, you know, a world famous filmmaker. You we're
Speaker 2: talking just now about the HBO series Chernobyl. You it
Speaker 2: took a lot of courage to get this film made,
Speaker 2: as you've said previously about how it was really difficult
Speaker 2: to do it, but ultimately always find a way to
Speaker 2: make the films that you want to make. Could you
Speaker 2: talk about that process, and then about the reception? You know,
Speaker 2: as now that the film is out there, people are
Speaker 2: watching it. It's finally we consumed people like me. We're
Speaker 2: trying to get the word out about it. How have
Speaker 2: you seen thoughts minds began to change as you've got
Speaker 2: it out there?
Speaker 1: Well, not yet, Frankly, and I'm hopeful, but it's a
Speaker 1: hard process to change public Well, Frankly, let me just
Speaker 1: tell you that in America, the polling revealed that sixty
Speaker 1: percent of the population is pro nuclear development.
Speaker 3: So it's happening, but very slowly and.
Speaker 1: Not fast enough in the terms of this deadline we're
Speaker 1: facing twenty fifteen. The film unfortunately was not supported by this,
Speaker 1: udios or this or that. Nothing nuclear has ever been
Speaker 1: positive from the film business, so this was against the
Speaker 1: grain as always, and like with the JFK series, no
Speaker 1: official distribution came our way.
Speaker 3: We were turned down.
Speaker 1: And I think this is because the issue is considered
Speaker 1: a controversial one, not that it is because it's factual,
Speaker 1: but it's considered controversial, and then people back away from
Speaker 1: it because they don't want to have all the you know,
Speaker 1: all the pressure that comes on corporations and so forth,
Speaker 1: and so much it's getting out there. I would give
Speaker 1: it away for free if I could, but there are
Speaker 1: some investors in the film and they're good people. But
Speaker 1: you know it's going around. We're on Amazon Prime, we're
Speaker 1: on the Apple Network where number we were number one
Speaker 1: last week in documentaries, so you know it will get around.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately we have to go country by country. But
Speaker 1: we have foreign salesmen will I was in Korea recently,
Speaker 1: because they're in a very critical position. I would there
Speaker 1: are they are reopening. They were the best, one of
Speaker 1: the best countries. Standardized, standardized, they built standardized nuclear actors,
Speaker 1: and they kept going and they were doing good work.
Speaker 1: And then they had a movie too, Pandora, which scared them.
Speaker 1: After the Fukushima thing. They turned it into a major
Speaker 1: catastrophe and people got scared, so they closed down for
Speaker 1: a few years. And as a result, you lose it,
Speaker 1: you lose a trained workforce, which is very important to
Speaker 1: keep going.
Speaker 3: However, Korea and.
Speaker 1: Japan are coming back online, and you know, there's other
Speaker 1: countries that are key here.
Speaker 3: Indonesia's a key country.
Speaker 1: India's going nuclear and much more so than before, although
Speaker 1: they have a huge coal problem.
Speaker 3: The key countries. We've got to keep working at this.
Speaker 3: I guess I will be devoted to this for.
Speaker 1: Many years in terms of going around and talking about
Speaker 1: it until it happens.
Speaker 3: But it's it's it's it's it's for our children. You know.
Speaker 1: I don't know why people are so waste so much
Speaker 1: time arguing about nuclear because it's a waste of time
Speaker 1: compared to what the oil companies and the coal companies
Speaker 1: and the gas companies are doing to us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fear, it's predominantly fear so. I final question, Oliver,
Speaker 2: is just if there's one thing that you could get
Speaker 2: people watching this to do, what would it be other
Speaker 2: than watching the film? In terms of spreading the word
Speaker 2: about nuclear.
Speaker 1: That's all you can do, right, I guess you spread
Speaker 1: the word. You talk this word about what's wrong with
Speaker 1: clear nothing's wrong with it. That's the point. It's working.
Speaker 1: And we have to realize that. We talk about all
Speaker 1: these other solutions and we're all for that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it'd be great if we get someone came up with
Speaker 1: a solution that was working ninety percent or one hundred
Speaker 1: percent of the time, but none of them are and
Speaker 1: none of them provide the scale and the volume. We're
Speaker 1: not talking about making you know, a cell phone or
Speaker 1: an electric car. Here, we're talking about a continent size
Speaker 1: need of energy. I mean, you have no idea what's
Speaker 1: coming the Africa, Asia, the South America. They're going to
Speaker 1: want the same things we have. They want electricity first,
Speaker 1: and they're going to get it. In addition to electricity,
Speaker 1: we have to look at the other issues, which are
Speaker 1: not just electricity.
Speaker 3: We have a huge part of our energy.
Speaker 1: Consumption goes into cars, transportation, trains, we have to get
Speaker 1: them off off their energies and into some form of
Speaker 1: liquid liquid energy that would be safe. Nuclear in combination
Speaker 1: with hydrogen and carbon it is a very likely solution.
Speaker 4: And I was at the Idaho Lab in.
Speaker 1: America here and they're working very hard to break through
Speaker 1: on the hydrogen front, what they call green hydrogen. But
Speaker 1: that's with nuclear hydrogen, where it's not with gas background.
Speaker 1: So it's important that hydrogen go in this direction. And
Speaker 1: I think that with nuclear these scientists are really and
Speaker 1: there are many young scientists, I have to say, and
Speaker 1: women too, many women's sideus I saw working. This is
Speaker 1: an important new field and hopefully America will develop a
Speaker 1: new generation of young people working trained in this business.
Speaker 1: And I think that's happening, but slowly America is not
Speaker 1: putting enough money into it. The government is bipartisan, there's
Speaker 1: no question that. From Obama, Bush, Trump, Biden, they keep
Speaker 1: supporting nuclear, but they don't give it the lung space,
Speaker 1: the word of mouth that it needs to get going.
Speaker 1: They talk about all these false solutions.
Speaker 2: I think, well, I think you've done such an excellent
Speaker 2: service to the public, and I encourage everybody to go
Speaker 2: watch the film. We're going to have the links into
Speaker 2: our description. It's always just such a pleasure to talk
Speaker 2: to you. You're such a visionary, not only on this issue,
Speaker 2: but on many others that are so important JFK, Foreign
Speaker 2: Affairs and so much more so. Thank you, Oliver. We
Speaker 2: always appreciate your time.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Cigarette absolutely