1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Hey, Club Shade listeners. We'll be back soon with weekly 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: episodes featuring brand new interviews with exciting roster guests. Until then, 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: enjoyed this special rewind episode with one of my favorite 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: moments from Club Sha Shade. So far, all my life 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: and running all my life, one slice all my life, 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: I've been runding. You get criticized because you know, every 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: time if you have an opinion and if it doesn't 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: coincide with some other people's opinion, they say you're a hater. 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: You had a rank and you said that Brady was 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: the sixth most difficult quarterback in NFL history to defend. 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: Do you still agree with your ranking? And why do 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: you say he was the sixth most difficult quarterback to defend? Well, 13 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: first of all, I don't think you can rank across 14 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: generations anyway, right, So I said, I'm not gonna do that, 15 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna go by statistics or whatever. I'm 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: gonna go by who was toughest on me. So now 17 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: I gotta start. I'm never putting Tom Brady ahead of 18 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning. So the best he can be this two 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: my guy could ever get us too? Of Okay, who 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: did who gave me real problem. John Elway, you could 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: do everything right, have the perfect defense. He's gonna move 22 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: around and make something happen and kill you. And he 23 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: killed me enough to say he was difficult. Steve Young 24 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: was the same way, those mobile quarterbacks. So that's who 25 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: I put ahead of Tom. Aaron Rodgers, John Elway, Steve Young, guys, 26 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: guys who could move. Not to say Tom wasn't great. 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: He is great, but that extra dimension meant something to me. 28 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: So that's that's why I would only put him at six, 29 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: just my opinion. Now, we look at and you've mentioned 30 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: the evolution of the mobile quarterback. Not only look these quarterbacks, 31 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: we say mobile coach. They're not looking to run the football. 32 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: They're looking to steal throw the football, and they can 33 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: throw it on the move. They could throw it wrong foot, 34 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: they could throw it rolling up, they can throw it 35 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: roll it right. You look at Deshaun wat you look 36 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: at Patrick Mahomes, you look at Aaron Rodgers, you look 37 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: at Russell Wilson. I just saw Josh Allen last night 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: and he's playing unbelievable. When you look at these quarterbacks, 39 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: what's been the biggest transformation? Why are these quarterbacks coming 40 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: in and being able to play so well so early. 41 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: I think a coach is adapting. Rather than taking that 42 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: rookie quarterback and saying, you gotta learn all this stuff, 43 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: and you gotta learn how to be a pocket pass 44 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: and you've got to learn this and learn that, they're saying, no, 45 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: let me take what this young man does and build 46 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: on it. So I've got the RPOs in, I've got 47 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: bootlegs in for them, and that's stuff that you never 48 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: saw before. And so now it's Russell, Wilson and Deshaun creating. 49 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: And instead of the coach saying no, no, no, don't 50 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: do that, the coach is saying, you know what, this 51 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: helps us, and we'll put scrambled drills in and when 52 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: Russell does this receiver as you do that, we'll put 53 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: bootlegs in. Josh Allen, We're gonna let you go. And 54 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: I think coaches have come out of their shell and 55 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: they've let these guys be who they are. Coach, are 56 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: you surprised Patrick Mahomes is this good? I mean I 57 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: thought I saw him. I saw him throw for over 58 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: seven hundred yards against Oklahoma, But everybody throws for a 59 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: bunch of yards in the Big twelve. Are you surprised 60 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: he's he's on. He has a chance to be all 61 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: time generational, transcendent great, not just good, he can be 62 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: great great, great, Yeah, I am. And what amazes me 63 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: about him is that twenty five years old, his concept 64 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: in his processing information and his control of the game, 65 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: very few mistakes, very few interceptions, very few bad checks. 66 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: So add the great arm skills and all of that, 67 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: but the mental capacity that he has at twenty five 68 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: that has amazed me. And you look at the weapon 69 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: and for Andy, and look you think about it. They 70 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: went to the playoff, they won the division, they went 71 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: to the playoffs, if I'm not mistaken, And he moves 72 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: up seventeen spots to take Patrick Mahomes when he had 73 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: a quarterback that went to the playoffs. But I think 74 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: Andy envision in order I got Tyreek, I guy that 75 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: can take the top off. We've never seen anything like this, 76 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: Fiz Bob Hayes. I got a guy in Travis Kelsey. 77 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: In order for me to maximize that, I need a 78 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: guy that can throw the ball over the top. Yep, yep. 79 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: They saw something special. I don't know why they saw it, 80 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: and everybody else didn't but they saw something special in 81 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and to put him in the lineup to 82 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: make that switch from a playoff quarterback, that takes a 83 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: lot of guts, and they did it, and they knew 84 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: they were going to the next level. And then to 85 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: put stuff in for him, fifty five yard corner routes, 86 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: you know, things that we haven't seen before. You'd get 87 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: you people would think you're crazy for actually just putting 88 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: that play in. No, Patrick can do it. We're gonna 89 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: take advantage of what he can do. I think it's 90 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: been amazing. You go undrafted. They say, well, if you 91 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: want an opportunity to play in the NFL, you're gonna 92 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: have to switch positions. You switch positions, you go undrafted. 93 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: What why did you settle? Because obviously when you're undrafted 94 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: you get to choose. I mean, Pittsburgh probably offer you 95 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: maybe another team. What made you decide to go to 96 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: the Steelers? Besides they were coming off of Super Bowl. 97 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: I had a chance, I really did. Bill Poland was 98 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: the general manager in Montreal, Mark Baby was the coach. 99 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: They had my rights and they said, you can come 100 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: to Canada play quarterback, guaranteed money. We're gonna take care 101 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: of you. This is the league that will showcase your talents. 102 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: I got a call from the Steelers and they said, 103 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: we already have Terry Bradshaw, we have other quarterbacks, but 104 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: you come here. Coach and Old likes smart players. He'll 105 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: find a spot for you. And I thought, you know, 106 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: I want to win and I want to play with 107 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: the best, so I can go to Pittsburgh. Was foolish 108 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: because the wide receivers Len Swann and John Star wars 109 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: with backup receivers. At that point they had eleven guys 110 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: on defense that we're in the Pro Bowl. They had 111 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: all Pro Bowls secondary. Donnie Chelle was a backup safety. 112 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: So people, how are you going to make a team? 113 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: You knowsition, that's all right, but they don't need you. 114 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: And I said, you know what, I don't care. I 115 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: don't want to play with the best. And I think 116 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: that was just the Lord taking care of me. I 117 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: ended up going there. It was unbelievable, Guys holding out, 118 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: guys got hurt. About fifty things had to happen for 119 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: me to make the team, but I made it. Switching 120 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: over to defense and I began to learn the defensive 121 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: side of the ball and so three years later, I'm 122 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: a coach with the Steelers. Coach. You played with the Steelers, 123 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: and you mentioned that might have been the most talented 124 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: team in NFL history when you look at it. They 125 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: got two wide receivers that's in the Pro Football Hall 126 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: of Fame, the running back, the quarterback, the center. You 127 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: got Mel Blunt, Jack Hamm, Jack Lambert, Joe green LC 128 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: Greenwood could easily be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. 129 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: Donnie Shell, who I know you're very close with, just 130 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: made the Pro Football Hall of Fame. You're talking about 131 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: nine ten guys in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, 132 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: your head coach, and your owners in the Pro Football 133 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Unbelievable team. And it starts. You mentioned 134 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: the owner, Art Runney Senior. That's where it started. He 135 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: and his son Dan Rooney put together an organization. This 136 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: is how we're gonna be. We're gonna be first class, 137 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna be family atmosphere, and we're gonna find good players. 138 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: Nineteen sixty nine they hired Chuck Nol. But in nineteen 139 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: sixty nine they also did something that was kind of 140 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: unheard of at the time. There was a sportswriter for 141 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: the black newspaper, the Pittsburgh Courier that they hired Bill Nunn. 142 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: They hired him as a scout, and so all of 143 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: a sudden, he's going to Alabama and m and he's 144 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: going to Florida and he's going to Southern and Savannah State, Yes, yep. 145 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: And so all of a sudden, we've got these guys 146 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: Frank Lewis and Glenn Edwards and Mel Blunt and Donnie 147 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: Shell and John Stalwart that people weren't looking at at 148 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: the time. So now you get a great coach and 149 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: you supply this extra injection of talent, and coach Nol 150 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: put it together and it was a great atmosphere, It 151 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: really was. And I learned a lot about being a man. 152 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: I learned about football, and I learned about how to 153 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: really embrace the city. And that's that's what mister Rooney 154 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: said when you came there. Hey, you're a Pittsburgh Steeler, 155 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: but it's not just on the football field. You're a 156 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: Pittsburgher all the way. And you got to embrace the city. 157 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: And I learned so much in that organization culture. You're 158 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: surprised you got traded because you led the team in interceptions. 159 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: I mean six interceptions most time, we'll get you to 160 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. I was shocked. Yeah, really, We're coming 161 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: off of Super Bowl. I'd led the team and interceptions. 162 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: We had a lot of chemistry, but we just had 163 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: so many good players then, and we drafted a couple 164 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: of corners, and Coach Nole just felt like, you know, 165 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: I can use some of these corners and we'll be 166 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: better off. So it was one of those things. But 167 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: again I always looked at it like I think it 168 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: was the Lord kind of taking me out of my 169 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: comfort zone, put me in a place where I could 170 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: learn a little bit more, because eventually I was going 171 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: to be a coach. I was never gonna be a 172 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: great player. But going through that San Francisco situation and 173 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: learning how Eddie de Barlow built a winning organization and 174 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: Bill Walsh winning situation, it really helped me down the road. 175 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: Coach you beat. I mean, there was something about the 176 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: matchup between the Steelers and the Cowboys, and it might 177 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,599 Speaker 1: have been a couple of years earlier. With this it 178 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: was the greatest collection of talent, if I'm not mistaken. 179 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: It was about seventy sixteen or seventeen. Hall of famers 180 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: on the field at a given time, and there haven't 181 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: been that many before or since. What was like to 182 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: be on the field and you're playing the Cowboys with 183 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: that star study, you got Roger Stallback, you got Tony 184 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: Door said, you got all those you know, uh, Tony Hill, 185 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: Drew Pearson. I mean they're loaded on offense and defense 186 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: as well. You guys are, Yeah, no, we It was 187 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: one of those just unbelievable situations where you kind of 188 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: know it's gonna come down to that, and we're gonna 189 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: play these guys, and neither side was intimidated, and you 190 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: knew they were gonna be great games. And we enjoyed 191 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: playing against them. They enjoyed playing against us, And yeah, 192 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: you're right. You're out there and it's it's Mel Blunt 193 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: covering Drew Pearson, and it's you know, Randy White going 194 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: against John Cole and it's one, yeah, one after another 195 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: after another. And Tony Door said, running inside against Jack 196 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: Lambert and it was just when I wasn't in the game, 197 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: I was just right on what is happening out there, 198 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: and it was It was fascinating. But it was two 199 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: teams that really believed in themselves and believed in their 200 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: style of play and there was great players all over 201 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: the field. You know what to do. 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