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Speaker 1: on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. The United States is becoming an authoritarian state.

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Speaker 1: We have an out of control intelligence community, politicians who

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Speaker 1: being weaponized against its own citizens. It's time that we

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Speaker 1: But if you're ready to question the power grabs and

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Speaker 1: Truth with Lisa Booth. I'm Lisa Booth, and for this

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Speaker 1: week's show, I go one on one with the King

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Speaker 1: the other hand, you can burn a federal building or

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Speaker 1: pull down a statue and no one does anything. But

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Speaker 1: if you, you know, say that the election was stolen

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Speaker 1: when you go to jail for six months and counting,

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Speaker 1: you know, come on, you know you don't. You don't

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Speaker 1: need to be like brilliantly perceptive to see that as

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Speaker 1: as political And it's it's corrosive, it's terrible. It's like

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Speaker 1: the one thing you can't have. Actually, justice has to

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Speaker 1: be blind or else what's the point of living here? So, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, they haven't said word one about it? Who

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Speaker 1: killed Ashley Babbitt? I say that, you know, every other night,

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Speaker 1: just because I don't know, you're you're not allowed to

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Speaker 1: shoot unarmed women and then not explain who did it

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Speaker 1: and why He's just that's just a bad precedent. You

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Speaker 1: can't like what is this? That's like, I guess that's

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Speaker 1: the kind of thing that we're supposed to hate putin for.

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Speaker 1: But um, I don't like it, you know, in any country.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Republicans, it's they're they're pathetic. But then you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're not a loyal Biden voter, what else do

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Speaker 1: you have? You know, there's no one else who with

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Speaker 1: power in this country you can protect you other than

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Speaker 1: congressional Republicans. I'm sick of attacking them. I'm stick of

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Speaker 1: thinking about them. They're so mediocre. It's like I'd rather

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Speaker 1: go think about something interesting, but that they're literally all

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Speaker 1: we have at this point. That's it. Let's take a

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Speaker 1: quick commercial break back with Tucker Carlson on the other side.

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Speaker 1: For eighteen months now, the media and public health officials

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Speaker 1: have been pushing fear, not facts about the burnadvirus, and

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Speaker 1: they're still doing it with no sign of stopping. This week,

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Speaker 1: on The Truth with Lisa Booth, I get you the

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Speaker 1: blowback to tell you the truth. That person is doctor

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Speaker 1: Martin Couldorf, and epidemiologist and a professor of medicine at

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Speaker 1: Harvard Medical School. Doctor Coldorf and I have an honest

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Speaker 1: and fact based conversation about masks, lockdowns, vaccine, the delta variant,

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Speaker 1: and everything else you need to know. Facts over fear,

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Speaker 1: episode and make sure you listen to the Truth with

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Speaker 1: Lisa Booth every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get podcasts. One thing I find odd

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Speaker 1: about January six as well is you know, you've seen

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Speaker 1: the FBI obviously put an enormous amount of resources, you know,

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Speaker 1: hundreds of arrests that have been made aid and try

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Speaker 1: to identify the people that entered the capitol that day.

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Speaker 1: Why can't they find the individual who placed the pipe bombs?

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Speaker 1: You would think that this would be a huge security

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Speaker 1: you I mean, you think this would be a huge

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Speaker 1: public threat if you had someone who literally laid down

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Speaker 1: pipe bombs at the RNC in the DNC. You have

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Speaker 1: all these resources invested in identifying these people who entered

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Speaker 1: the capitol. Why haven't we figured out who that person was?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but we definitely need a commission. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: they know a lot of stuff. How many people in

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Speaker 1: the crowd had been in contact with the FBI before,

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Speaker 1: you know, before they got to the capitol. How many

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Speaker 1: were working for the FBI? How many were snitches to

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Speaker 1: the FBI? Mean, that's why? Is that not a fair question?

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Speaker 1: You know what role did people who were in contact

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Speaker 1: with the Justice Department or the DC Police Department play

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Speaker 1: in inciting the crowd? I mean, why can't we know

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Speaker 1: that you know, whose government is this? Anyway? You know,

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Speaker 1: we should know that there are fourteen thousand hours, as

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Speaker 1: I never tire of reminding our viewers of surveillance tape

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Speaker 1: shot by the Capitol Police that have been locked away.

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Speaker 1: You're not allowed to see him. Really, and Liz Chaning

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Speaker 1: is just what a fool she is standing up there.

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Speaker 1: Oh this is you know, this is Pearl Harbor and

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Speaker 1: it's worse than nine to eleven and we need a commission. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: let's just start by releasing the videotape. Why wouldn't what's

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Speaker 1: the answer, and what's so profoundly frustrating this is a

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Speaker 1: change is not only do they not answer the question,

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Speaker 1: they don't feel any obligation to answer or to tell

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Speaker 1: you why they won't. And at that point you realize

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Speaker 1: they actually they don't believe in democracy. They don't care

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Speaker 1: like in an actual democracy, an elected official or a

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Speaker 1: government bureaucrat would think, well, geez, you know, it's their country.

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Speaker 1: I kind of have to you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: would be like calling someone who's house sitting in your

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Speaker 1: house and being like, you know, with the house still standing,

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you. You'd be like, well, wait, it's

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Speaker 1: my house, you know what I mean, like you have

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Speaker 1: to tell me. You have a moral obligation to tell me.

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Speaker 1: But they no longer feel that because they don't think

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Speaker 1: that the country belongs to its citizens. They think the

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Speaker 1: country belongs to them. It's it's a different way of thinking.

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Speaker 1: It's scary. I mean, Tucker, shouldn't every question be a

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Speaker 1: legitimate question? Though? I mean, I think it's it's scary

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Speaker 1: where we are today when you are attacked for asking questions.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're a journalist, You're supposed to be asking.

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Speaker 1: But why why can't we Why can't we no longer

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Speaker 1: ask questions like what is that about? I think that

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Speaker 1: is terrifying of where we are today as a society. Well, sure,

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Speaker 1: because the you know, the question is either you know,

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Speaker 1: unanswerable or you know, just by raising the question, you

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Speaker 1: kind of point out the absurdity of the people in charge.

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Speaker 1: So the question as a threat to them, and they're

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Speaker 1: not gonna they're not going to answer it. What's different

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Speaker 1: is that the press is on the side of the

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Speaker 1: people in charge rather than on the side of their

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Speaker 1: viewers and readers, and so they kind of form this,

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Speaker 1: you know, like phalanx around the powerful and protect them.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're they're they're like a Roman legion protecting

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Speaker 1: the emperor. It's it's just so I don't want to

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Speaker 1: keep whining about the media. Just but you know, my

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Speaker 1: dad was in it, like our grandfather was in it.

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Speaker 1: I've been in my whole life. I grew up around it.

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Speaker 1: I always, you know, thought it was a basically honorable

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Speaker 1: thing to do. None of my children are going to

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Speaker 1: do it, that's for sure. Um So, but the bottom

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Speaker 1: mind is, look, we get what we put up with,

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Speaker 1: and we're putting up with this, so we'll probably get

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Speaker 1: a lot more of it. And don't even get me

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Speaker 1: started on the you know, the Republican the conservative establishment

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Speaker 1: in Washington to whom you know, decent conservatives around the

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Speaker 1: country have sent you know, literally billions of dollars over

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Speaker 1: the last forty years, the Heritage Foundation and AI and

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Speaker 1: Cato and all the rest of these money sinks and

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Speaker 1: like where they you know, Why aren't they protecting their donors,

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Speaker 1: the country, you know, the the ideas and principles they

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Speaker 1: claim they stand for. Where are they you know, they're

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Speaker 1: they're nowhere. So I mean, this moment is so distressing

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Speaker 1: because it's just revealed how truly unimpressive the people in

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Speaker 1: church at every level of pretty much every institution are.

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Speaker 1: And you kind of don't want to know that, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like seeing your parents naked,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't want I don't want to

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Speaker 1: see that. Well, it's also no one wants to see that, Tucker,

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Speaker 1: No, no no, no, Well that's also you know, I feel

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Speaker 1: like people, especially you know, you're laying into Republicans and Congress,

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Speaker 1: which I believe is fair, but it seems like their

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Speaker 1: eyes aren't open to this authoritarian moment that we're facing

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Speaker 1: as an Asian. And we just saw over the past

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Speaker 1: year the government dictating which businesses can open, dictating church presence,

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Speaker 1: you know, what percentage of people can go to church,

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Speaker 1: or if they can go to church at all. But

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Speaker 1: it's perfectly fine to go out and protest out in

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Speaker 1: the streets in you know, thousands, right, So that first

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Speaker 1: Amendment you can exercise, but you can't exercise your First

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Speaker 1: Amendment right to freedom of religion. And then on top

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Speaker 1: of it, we've seen these great government abuses besides just that,

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Speaker 1: those powerful lockdowns and authoritarian lockdowns, this abuse and weaponizing government,

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Speaker 1: particularly under the Biden administration. I don't think their eyes

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Speaker 1: are open to the fact that if they don't act,

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Speaker 1: if we don't change course, I mean, this country is

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Speaker 1: going to look incredibly different. We're no longer going to

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Speaker 1: be a free America. You know, again, you get what

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Speaker 1: you put up with. I've got a bunch of kids,

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Speaker 1: and I love them, but there are some things I

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Speaker 1: don't let them do. Like you can't smoke weed at

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Speaker 1: the dinner table. You just you can't. Like I'm won't

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Speaker 1: allow it. It's my house and I won't allow it.

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Speaker 1: I suppose if I did allow it, they probably would.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't think, And so you get what you put

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Speaker 1: up with. Where the Christian churches, by the way, so

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Speaker 1: the state of Michigan says, well, okay, you can't have

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Speaker 1: church services. We're closing all the churches, a lot of

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Speaker 1: them going out of business, by the way, predictably, But

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Speaker 1: we're keeping the abortion clinics open because abortion, you know,

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Speaker 1: because we take a ton of money from the abortion

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Speaker 1: lobby and the Christian pastors of Michigan and every other state.

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Speaker 1: They are like, oh, okay, you know, we're doing our

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Speaker 1: part for public health. Really, you're a fool. You're a

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Speaker 1: contemptible fool, and you're not serving your own constituents. You know. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: and then you think, I keep waiting for some Christians

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Speaker 1: denomination to stand up and say this is an attack

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Speaker 1: on Christianity. We're not putting up with it. You know,

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Speaker 1: we actually believe this stuff and we have a right

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Speaker 1: to worship our God in our country. But none do.

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Speaker 1: And I can think, well, maybe the Southern Baptist like

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Speaker 1: they're not gonna be pushed around. And you look over

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Speaker 1: the Southern Baptist Convention. They're like arguing about slavery, which

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Speaker 1: ended in eighteen sixty five. What really, you're debating the

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Speaker 1: legacy of slavery when Christianity is being shut down by

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Speaker 1: the government, that's really your debate. You're a fool and

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Speaker 1: as self indulgent, narcissistic fool. Oh I feel so bad

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Speaker 1: about slavery. Okay, you know, settle down, like right here

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Speaker 1: and right now, your constituents are being prevented from worshiping

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Speaker 1: their God in the United States of America and you've

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Speaker 1: got nothing to say about it, and you're debating slavery. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I think I think they're a pulsive Actually, I really do,

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Speaker 1: because I think they betrayed And I am a Christian

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Speaker 1: and churchgoer, but it just rages me. I mean, because

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Speaker 1: they betrayed their own, their own people, like they should

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Speaker 1: be standing up for their people and they're not. But

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Speaker 1: why do you think, I mean, it seems like it's

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Speaker 1: more specific to the right, But why why do they

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Speaker 1: just accept the premises that are laid out to them

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Speaker 1: by the left and the media, Like no one stands up,

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Speaker 1: you know, with lockdowns and say okay, well, why are

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Speaker 1: we doing this, what's the basis of this? Where's the

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Speaker 1: information that is going to actually work? Of course they

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Speaker 1: didn't or even you know, when Republicans were saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: we need police reform, where were the people being looking

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Speaker 1: at the data and saying, actually, this narrative about police

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Speaker 1: shootings is complete bullshit. If you actually look at the data,

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Speaker 1: it's not substantiated by the facts. Why is the right

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Speaker 1: Why why does the right though always take these BS narrator.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're the ones that help spread it. Why

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Speaker 1: do they just always accept the BS premises and the

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Speaker 1: lies that are being fed to them. Many more people

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Speaker 1: are killed by lightning every year than than the number

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Speaker 1: of armed black men killed by cop So like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's absurd. You know, there's something very deep and

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Speaker 1: sad and transformative is going on in America, and I'm

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't have a super high IQ, not

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Speaker 1: high enough to figure out exactly what it is, but

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Speaker 1: it does seem like the country just lost some kind

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Speaker 1: of essential male energy, some kind of you know, passion

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Speaker 1: or fight drained out of the men of I'm just

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Speaker 1: going to be honest, but the men of the country,

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Speaker 1: the men are weak. Women are angry. The men are weak.

636
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Speaker 1: It's weird, and in a lot of cases, the women

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Speaker 1: are angry because the men are weak. I would say,

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Speaker 1: having watched that dynamic a lot over fifty two years here,

639
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Speaker 1: but I don't know, you know, people just kind of

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Speaker 1: lost the will to stand up for themselves and their

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Speaker 1: families and their institutions, the things they love, the schools

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Speaker 1: they went to, the churches they were married in, the

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Speaker 1: neighborhoods they live in. You know, these are the things

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Speaker 1: that normal people, vigorous self respect, people with dignity like

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Speaker 1: fight for and die for. I mean, like what would

646
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Speaker 1: you die for, you know, more quickly than your own

647
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Speaker 1: family or that you know the school that you're surprised

648
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Speaker 1: I went to this school. Like in my family, every

649
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Speaker 1: single person in my family, multigenerational, including my wife and me,

650
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Speaker 1: all went to the same high school. And the high

651
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Speaker 1: school has been destroyed in the past year, completely destroyed,

652
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Speaker 1: like taken over by like crazy people, and they really

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Speaker 1: wrecked it. I'm not that's not an overstatement. And so

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Speaker 1: I called all these people I know who went there

655
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Speaker 1: with me and went there with my kids, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we know everybody there, and they're like, well, there's something

657
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Speaker 1: we could really do. It's like, really, you know, how

658
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Speaker 1: about we just like show up and take it over? Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, is there a point at which you

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Speaker 1: won't sort of put up with the humiliation anymore? And

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Speaker 1: I hope there is, but I don't know what that

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Speaker 1: point is. I mean, if you can tell people, if

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Speaker 1: you can tell their children that they're inherently sinful because

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Speaker 1: of their skin color and parents put up with it.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, what wouldn't you put up with? You know,

666
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Speaker 1: how about if they beat your kids up or sexually abusic?

667
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Speaker 1: Would you put up at that? You know? Like what

668
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Like where's the dignity? I know this

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Speaker 1: is very harsh. I probably should even be saying this,

670
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Speaker 1: but I think that every day. You know, I would

671
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Speaker 1: never allow that. Are you joking? No way? But people

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Speaker 1: just people just do and it feels like it's society wide.

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Speaker 1: Well there's nothing we can do, Okay, I guess we

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Speaker 1: deserve it. No, you don't and don't don't put up

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Speaker 1: with it? Is it Marxism? Is it communism that has

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Speaker 1: taken root in the country, or what's what's the root

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Speaker 1: of this? You know? I mean Marxism is you know,

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Speaker 1: a very specific theory about how money is allocated and how.

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Speaker 1: But many have said that we're you know, essentially what

680
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Speaker 1: we're saying is based on racial lines versus economic division. Right.

681
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Speaker 1: I don't think you know there's a single member of

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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matters or at dos Capitel or who could

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Speaker 1: you know you understand it? I mean, these people or

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Speaker 1: not not capable of that. I think, um, judging from

685
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Speaker 1: their public statements, but I don't know. It's not Marxism exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's it's the it's the satalitarian impulse that resides in

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Speaker 1: all of us that the Founders, you know, devised a

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Speaker 1: system to keep it bay. I mean, that's the whole

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Speaker 1: point of the American system of government, is to tame

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Speaker 1: the worst impulses within people. All people, at all times

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Speaker 1: throughout history have because human nature is the one thing

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Speaker 1: that doesn't change. Have had, you know, ugly impulses, and

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Speaker 1: you spend your life fighting against them. All of us do.

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Speaker 1: And one of them is the impulse to control other

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Speaker 1: people completely and to hurt them if they disobey. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's like in all of us, and it's it's one

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Speaker 1: of the worst impulses that people have. And that's why

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Speaker 1: we have divided government and we have this all these

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Speaker 1: elaborate you know, it's what the electoral College, we've all

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Speaker 1: these elaborate systems that that the Framers thought up two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years ago to keep any one person

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Speaker 1: or small group of people from exerting that kind of control,

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Speaker 1: from acting out these ugly human instincts on the rest

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Speaker 1: of the population. And so I think what we're seeing

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Speaker 1: is the guardians of that system no longer feel like

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Speaker 1: defending it, no longer have that, you know, that vitality,

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Speaker 1: that energy to defend it, and they've kind of given up.

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Speaker 1: And so whenever you give up, you know, when the

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Speaker 1: centuries fall asleep, you get invaded. I mean, I actually

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Speaker 1: think it's it's kind of that simple. If you don't

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Speaker 1: defend something, you lose it. I mean, that's true, that's

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00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: true of everything. You know, somebody stronger and with fewer

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Speaker 1: scruples will come and take it from you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's just the way the world is. I wish it weren't,

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Speaker 1: but it is. And I think we've just been rich

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Speaker 1: for so long that we've convinced ourselves that, you know,

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Speaker 1: that we can afford to have these incredible, tiresome conversations

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00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: about our sexuality or our gender preference at all. It's

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00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: ridiculous narcissism and ignore the fundamentals. And so we did.

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Speaker 1: And then a small group of determined totalitarians took advantage

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Speaker 1: of that, and they're in the process of taking advantage

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Speaker 1: of it. So my job, I feel like I've got,

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Speaker 1: you know, an hour forty seven minutes or whatever on

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Speaker 1: cable television five days a week. It's not you know,

725
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Speaker 1: there's not much I can do about it, but so

726
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: I so, I see, my job is just trying to

727
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Speaker 1: remind people the consequences of allowing this are very significant,

728
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Speaker 1: Like your kids will live in a country you won't

729
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: recognize and wouldn't want to live in yourself. So you

730
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: should you should really stop this bullshit before it gets worse,

731
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: because it's getting worse really fast. I feel like that's

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Speaker 1: my job. That's kind of my whole job right there. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think you are one of the bravest people in

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Speaker 1: the media and one of the few people who I

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Speaker 1: immensely respect for those reasons. No, I mean, that's sincerely, Tougher.

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Speaker 1: I know, I really, I mean, take it for what

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Speaker 1: it's worth, Tucker, But I really do feel that. But

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Speaker 1: that is but is it? I mean, I know, but

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Speaker 1: that's like the hottest Supreme Court yet. Well it's also

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00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: it's also from me, So you know, take it, take

741
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: it for what it's worth. Right, But you know, Tucker,

742
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: but you know you're right. I mean, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: what America was predicated on, was overturning a monarchy. To

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00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: give power to the people, to have a constitutional republic

745
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: where you know, we the people are put in charge

746
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Speaker 1: of the government, and it seems to be the reverse now,

747
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: and you know we're at this place. Is the American

748
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: experiment over? Or do we still have time? I don't know.

749
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Speaker 1: I mean, I I hope not. You know, I'm I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'll just be totally blunt. I'm sympathetic to populism, but

751
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up in a full blown rich

752
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: person world and I've lived in it all my life.

753
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: I'm not against a ruling class. I'm not against rich people.

754
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: I'm against a bad ruling class and selfish, stupid rich people.

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00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: That's kind of my view on it. But anyway, I'm

756
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: around a lot of affluent people and always have been.

757
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 1: And when things started to fall apart, when George Floyd died,

758
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: I knew a lot of people who started saying, you know,

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00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: I think I need another passport, or you know, what's

760
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: Argentina like this time of year? Like people actually really

761
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: their first instance was let's get out of here. And

762
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Speaker 1: so I really thought a lot about it at that moment,

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Speaker 1: and I realized, like I'm American, not in some syrupy,

764
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, fake patriotic way, but like, I'm literally American.

765
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: I have tons of American attitudes that grew up here.

766
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Speaker 1: I would not be comfortable living anywhere else. I just

767
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to be here till I die. And my

768
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: wife feels the same way, which we've talked a lot

769
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Speaker 1: about it. So at that point I realized, like there's

770
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Speaker 1: really no option but to try and resist this stuff.

771
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: And you hope that, you know, the resistance is rhetorical,

772
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: but at a certain point, you like they're pushing really

773
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: really hard, like too hard. I feel like the Biden

774
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: administration is trying to force the country into some sort

775
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: of very ugly reaction. You know, these vaccine mandates, you know,

776
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: the guncine sort of gun confiscation. Well, it's insane, it's insane,

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00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: you know. I think there are certain populations that would

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Speaker 1: benefit from the vaccine. There are other populations that don't

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00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: benefit from the vaccine. Well, like me, I'm thirty six,

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00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: I'm healthy, I have no underlying conditions. Why should I

781
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: take a vaccine that is not FDA approved. It makes

782
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: no sense for a virus that isn't really a threat

783
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: to my life. Well exactly, but let's say you're let's

784
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Speaker 1: say you're eighteen, and you've already recovered from COVID. You know,

785
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: there's there's no question that you face greater risk from

786
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: taking the vaccine than you do from COVID because you're

787
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: not getting COVID again. And it's not a good idea

788
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: to vaccinate people who have antibodies from the virus. Like

789
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: that's it's crazy. This is like basic science even I

790
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: can understand. So, but they're forcing it, they're pushing it,

791
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: they're demanding it. Why are they doing that? It really

792
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: feels like they're trying to provoke, you know, how how

793
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: far can we push the population until someone snaps and

794
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: does something awful. I really feel like that's what they're doing.

795
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see the other explanation. It's it's

796
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 1: completely irrational. If you were trying to provoke a revolution,

797
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: this is exactly how you behave. You know, we're taking

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00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: all your police away, We're building a steel cage around

799
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Speaker 1: our office the capitol. We're doubling down on our bodyguards,

800
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: which you pay for, and we're taking your cops away,

801
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: and now we're going to disarm you. What I mean,

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Speaker 1: who would why would you do that unless you were

803
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: trying to make people so paranoid and so angry that

804
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: they lashed out in some way. I don't see another explanation.

805
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong. Maybe they're just so stupid, but

806
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. And I really I'm fearful of

807
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Speaker 1: what the reaction against all of this stuff is going

808
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: to be. I mean, I spent the last half an

809
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: hour whining about how everyone's so passive, but at a

810
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: certain point, you know, some people won't be passive. And

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Speaker 1: this has gotten so crazy, and the anti white stuff

812
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: is so nuts. White people are terrible. What what are

813
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Speaker 1: you doing? Why are you talking like that? You know

814
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: you're going to create radical white people. Do you want that?

815
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: I don't want that, you know, I don't want that, actually,

816
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: but there we're going to get it if they don't

817
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: stop with this everyone in white rage white this white

818
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Speaker 1: that white people are immoral? What the hell are you

819
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Speaker 1: doing if we did that to any population? We're like,

820
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Speaker 1: Filipinos are just bad, They're just there's something about Filipinos.

821
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Speaker 1: It's just repulsive. Maybe we should exterminate Filipinos. After a while,

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Speaker 1: you get some pretty freaking radical Filipinos. You know who

823
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: might do some pretty radical things like why wouldn't you?

824
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Speaker 1: I mean, duh, so why are they doing this? I

825
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Speaker 1: just think it's one of the craziest things I've Ever's

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Speaker 1: the craziest thing I've ever seen by far Rith Tucker

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Speaker 1: Carlson Next. For eighteen months now, the media and public

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Speaker 1: health officials have been pushing fear, not facts about the

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Speaker 1: BURNA virus, and they're still doing it with no sign

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Speaker 1: of stopping to speak on the truth. With Lisa Booth,

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Speaker 1: and risk professional blowback to tell you the truth. That

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Speaker 1: of medicine at Harvard Medical School. Doctor Cooldorf and I

836
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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get podcasts. You're probably

842
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: subject to the most criticism in the country in terms

843
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: as being a journalist. Why do you think that is? Oh,

844
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, you know, because I'm in the way,

845
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: I guess I don't have perspective on it. I mean,

846
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very against the Internet. You know. I try

847
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: not to spend any time on the Internet if I

848
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: can help it. I think it's disgusting, you know. I mean,

849
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm really thrilled that, you know, we can get up

850
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: to the moment weather updates. But like, overall, the Internet

851
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: has been like the worst thing that ever happened to

852
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: the world, and clearly, and so I've just not on

853
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: it that much. I never google myself. I would never

854
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: do that. And more broadly, I'm not interested like truly,

855
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: and I'm not just saying this. I mean it. Ask

856
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: anyone who lives around me. I'm not interested in in

857
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: the opinions of people I don't respect. I'm deeply interested

858
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: in the people I love and care about and their opinions.

859
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: If my wife looks at me cross eyed, it, you know,

860
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: it brings me to my knees. I mean, I really

861
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: care what the people I love to think very much.

862
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: And I will immediately change my behavior if they tell

863
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: me too. But like somebody at the Daily Beast, I don't,

864
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: you know, why would I care what they think? I

865
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: really don't. I mean, and I mean that, Oh, you're

866
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: a Nazi, you're a what you know, you quoted Martin

867
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: Luther King, so you're a white supremacist. Okay, you know

868
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: this is so dumb, Like why do I care? So

869
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't have any effect on me at all, like

870
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: literally none, and so it's like to me, it's like

871
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: it's not even happening. I'm gonna say what I think

872
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: is true. If I say something that's cruel or unfair,

873
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: you know, the people I respect will tell me immediately

874
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: and I I'll apologize and stop doing it. But like

875
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: the criticism of people who you know, work for Jeff

876
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: Bezos and want to defend the existing order, like I

877
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: don't give a shit at all, And I really don't either.

878
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen probably one of the biggest transfers

879
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: of wealth over the past year, and you know the

880
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: shuddering of small businesses which are more decentralized, and the

881
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: centralized power with large corporations, as well as obviously the

882
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: government growing larger. In addition to that, you know, where

883
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: does that head and what does that mean for a country,

884
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: you know, both economically and just as a nation at large.

885
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: But what about racism? What about racism? What about transgender rights?

886
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean, all of the debates that are sort of

887
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: forced on us from above, racism, oh shut up, transgender right,

888
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: you know, it affects like nine people. All of them

889
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: are cover for the real debates, which are mostly about economics,

890
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: not not exclusively, but the big ones are about like

891
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: the role of the central bank. And in a normal country,

892
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: that's what you would be debating because that that really

893
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: does matter. But we're not having that debate at all.

894
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: And yeah, you're seeing a complete transformation of the US

895
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: economy complete twenty fifteen. And this has been a middle

896
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: class country, literally middle class country. The majority of people

897
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: fall into the you know, as determined by the Labor Department,

898
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: but in the income range that we call middle class,

899
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: the majority we're middle class. Twenty fifteen, the middle class

900
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: becomes a minority in the country becomes and this has

901
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: accelerated this trend way more lopsided. Small number of people

902
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: control a larger percentage of the assets, and that makes

903
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: the country really unstable, not just this country, in any country.

904
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: That's how Venezuela went from this kind of nice place

905
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: I went there as a kid to you know, this

906
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: hell hole. They're eating zoo animals and you know, Maduro's

907
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: in charge, Like because that concentration of wealth in a

908
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: democracy provokes a response, and it provokes radical populism and

909
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: they break everything. So like, that's a really bad trend.

910
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: It's one of the worst possible trends. But we don't

911
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: even discuss it. And why don't we discuss it because

912
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: the people who control the conversation, you know, who control

913
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: the tech companies and the TV networks don't want to

914
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: have that conversation because they're in the winning end of it.

915
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: So Trump said something to me once. Trump's not super reflective,

916
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: as you know, but he did say something that I

917
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: never forgot, which is, you know, the one thing that

918
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: people don't like the system, Our system doesn't link in.

919
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: This country's economic populist, and they really don't. You know

920
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: that We've never had since Teddy Roosevelt, we have not

921
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: had a president, including Trump, by the way, who is

922
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: an economic populist. But most people kind of like the

923
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: basic ideas of economic populism. So what does that tell

924
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: you if for a hundred years people don't get the

925
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: one thing I want, Maybe the system isn't very responsive

926
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: to the public. Maybe it's not really a democracy, you

927
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean? No, I mean it makes sense.

928
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: And you know, of course, everything ultimately is about, you know, control,

929
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: and that's why obviously they want larger corporations and government

930
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: control and socialism and things of that nature, because it

931
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: empowers the people in charge. For real. Last question of this,

932
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: this is something that you encourage people that you know,

933
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: get married, have kids. Why why is having a strong

934
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: family unit almost counterculture? Now? Well, because it runs contrary

935
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: to corporate interests. I mean, feminism is just like a

936
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: pure corporate propaganda, you know, telling And I have three daughters,

937
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: so I think about this a lot. But like telling

938
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: girls that somehow more virtuous and fulfilling and meaningful to

939
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: work for some soulless corporation in the HR department or

940
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: in marketing, marketing, whatever the fuck that is marketing than

941
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: it is to raise your own children. Like who thought

942
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: of that? It's like so ridiculous. Anyway, this is this

943
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: is the Cheryl Sandberg wrote a whole book on this.

944
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: She and a lot of people like her have been

945
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: making this case for fifty years that you're just you're

946
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: going to be a lot happier if you work for

947
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: some big company than if you have a personal life.

948
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: And it's such a lie that they can only maintain

949
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: it with like maximum hysteria. You know, men are terrible.

950
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: You don't want a man, right, okay, And you know

951
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 1: having a man and having a family, having little kids

952
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: you have to deal with it makes you a less

953
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: reliable employee. So of course they're going to say that.

954
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: The amazing thing is we believe it. This is a

955
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: liberation movement. You're so liberated you get to you know,

956
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: commute to midtown sitting hr meetings. That's not what that's liberation.

957
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 1: So the truth is, like, you know, getting married, having

958
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: someone who you love and loves you back, and who

959
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: is loyal to you and you're loyal to you know,

960
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: like that's the happiest thing in life. Having children, are

961
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: you kidding? The most meaningful thing you can do. It's

962
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: not the easiest, it's not always the most fun, but

963
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: it's it's certainly the most rewarding. It's the thing that

964
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's all that matters really in my opinion,

965
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: and so like people are like, oh, well, you know

966
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: it matters. What really matters is I don't know, going

967
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: to saying Barts or having more sex partners, really do

968
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: They don't really think that makes you happy? Now, it's

969
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 1: like absurd, It's totally absurd, you know. I tell back

970
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: before I became afraid to talk him at work, I

971
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: MASS or PBS or it just you know, in the

972
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: past thirty years in television, where I've worked for twenty

973
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: six years, I would always tell the women on our

974
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: because it's like heavily women, because they're amazing producers and

975
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: they're like incredibly hard working, like in a way that

976
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: just candidly that a lot of men aren't. You know,

977
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: people like to hire women. That's true, because they're like awesome,

978
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, can you do this? Absolutely? They do it.

979
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 1: It's crazy. And so but the problem is that companies

980
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: take advantage of women, and women don't kind of complain

981
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: about it because they're so dutiful. These are generalizations, but

982
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: they're generally true, and so I would always take the

983
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: women on our staff aside and be like, you know,

984
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: you're so awesome and you're great, but like, you know,

985
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: don't forget that this is just a TV show. And

986
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: in the end, you know, you want to live out

987
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: your life with like someone who really loves you, and

988
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: like if you want children, you should have them, and

989
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: don't let your loyalty to this job, you know, convince

990
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: you to miss your own life, like take time for

991
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: your personal life. I would always say that. Now I'm

992
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: like afraid so I get fired for saying that A

993
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: good I don't know what would happen. I don't say

994
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: that anymore, but I always did because I meant it,

995
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: and I wish a woman would say that to America.

996
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's a lie working for City Bank or

997
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: do you think City Bank cares about you? No, you know,

998
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: who cares about you, Like your husband would care about

999
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: your kids, would care of you, your dogs care about you.

1000
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: City Bank does not care about you. So Fox City Bank,

1001
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about it. Yeah, I mean, I know,

1002
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. And this is something I've

1003
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: been grappling with over the past year of you know,

1004
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: I've put so much emphasis on work before and you know,

1005
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: wanting to look towards having a family and find the

1006
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: right person and get married and do that whole thing.

1007
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: Because it's almost as if society we've redirected people away

1008
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: from things that actually have meaning in life and purpose

1009
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: in life, like religion, like families, and directed it towards

1010
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: things that are completely empty and unfulfilling and bring unhappiness

1011
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: and sadness. It's twisted. Yeah, but you get to go

1012
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: to burning Man for a week, so it's all worth it,

1013
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, And you know, you get your little nappod

1014
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: in the Google break room and like, you know, you

1015
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: get free score bars, so you're you're you're good, You're

1016
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: very psyched, and you can order in the lunch and

1017
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: the company won't pay for it. Like if those are

1018
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: your rewards, or you make three hundred thousand a year, Wow,

1019
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: that'll make you happier. Three million a year, thirty million

1020
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: a year. I mean, it's it's all such a lie.

1021
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: And and I can I mean, I can say because

1022
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: I'm one of the few people I know who's like,

1023
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, I ran out of money at one point

1024
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: how to sell my house with for working it, and

1025
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: then I made a lot of money, and so I've

1026
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: been kind of both ends. And I can tell you,

1027
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: you know, debt is bad, being poor is hard. Not

1028
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: having enough money is hard. But making more than you

1029
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: need does not make you happy. It just doesn't. That's

1030
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: a lie. And I mean, I think we all sort

1031
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: of know that, but let me just say it again,

1032
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: that's a lie. What makes you happy or your relationships

1033
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: or your commitments to other people, Not your random relationships,

1034
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: but like your deep relationships, the one that's that you

1035
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: sacrifice for the ones you're connected to for life, the

1036
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: person you will be buried next to. What that matters?

1037
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: And nobody says it. I don't understand why, but you know,

1038
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: as noted, I just don't care. So I'm going to

1039
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: because why wouldn't I know? I think it's important, which

1040
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: is why you know, I wanted to bring it up,

1041
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: because you know, I do think we're turning young people

1042
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: towards things that are completely meaningless and empty. And social media,

1043
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: of course, draws people inside and away from those interpersonal relationships,

1044
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: which is the basis and foundation of how happiness in society.

1045
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to leave my listeners with before

1046
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: we go, Well, just one. It's just on this topic.

1047
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: I can't control myself. I just had this conversation with

1048
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: my wife yesterday. So it's just like a top of mind.

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Speaker 1: But we're talking about, you know, happiness and unhappiness or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And I thought, and I thought this before, but it

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Speaker 1: really struck me, Yester. It's like, I don't think I've

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Speaker 1: ever been unhappy in my life except because of self pity.

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Speaker 1: I honestly don't think I have. I mean, I haven't

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Speaker 1: had a ton of you know, bad things happen to me.

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Speaker 1: I've had a really nice life, easy life, really, But

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Speaker 1: the time is where I've been unhappy, it's been one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent because I felt sorry for myself, one hundred

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Speaker 1: you know, poor me, you know, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And I thought, well, what is the root of self pity?

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Speaker 1: And of course it's narcissism, you know, it's it's thinking

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00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: about it's obsessing over yourself, and that that really is

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Speaker 1: the root of unhappiness. And so anything that pulls you

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Speaker 1: deeper into yourself. And by the way, I would say

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Speaker 1: self knowledge is really important, and that's a different category.

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Speaker 1: Understanding who you are and what you want, what you're

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Speaker 1: good at, like, those are key qualities. Absolutely, it's key

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Speaker 1: skills that you need to master. But self obsession is

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Speaker 1: a different thing. Narcissism is a different thing. And you know,

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Speaker 1: get out of yourself. I mean, just do whatever you

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Speaker 1: can to get out of yourself. Not even for moral reasons,

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Speaker 1: though I think those apply, but for practical reasons. You'll

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Speaker 1: be happier the less you think about yourself, like stop

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Speaker 1: googling yourself, stop taking your fucking selfiees, like get off

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Speaker 1: your phone, talk to other people, worry about them. You'll

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Speaker 1: be way happier if you do that. And this is

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Speaker 1: like so obvious. I'm embarrassed to say it, but it

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Speaker 1: just struck me yesterday, like just in me. You know,

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Speaker 1: when I think about myself, I become unhappy. It's true,

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Speaker 1: I think, and I think it's true for everybody. Well,

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Speaker 1: I actually had accidentally left my phone at home when

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Speaker 1: I went away for a weekend in the Keys, and

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Speaker 1: it was like one of the best weekends I've had

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Speaker 1: because I was completely connected. I'm saying, but it was

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Speaker 1: really it was sad. It made me really said about

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Speaker 1: what dominance or phones have on our lives. I was

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Speaker 1: so happy, I was so in the moment, just truly

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Speaker 1: enjoying things in a way that you don't when you're

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Speaker 1: checking work emails, you're on this or that, and I

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Speaker 1: mean it's almost like, I mean, I think we'd all

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Speaker 1: be a lot happier without you know, these cell phones,

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Speaker 1: without social media, all these things that take us away

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Speaker 1: from the real moments in life and you know, those

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Speaker 1: relationships and the things that really matter and happiness. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to recommend Ted Kazinski's second book, the

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Speaker 1: one Who Wrote from Prison, because that would be too

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Speaker 1: radical for your listeners. But but let me just but

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Speaker 1: I just want to get it out there for those

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Speaker 1: who are interested, you know, maybe check it out. But

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Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, technology, we have not we have

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Speaker 1: not crappled with the effects of it. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: had we had the industrial Revolution, and it caused you know,

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Speaker 1: political revolutions, it caused Marxism, you know, around the world.

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Speaker 1: And now we've had this digital revolution and we're pretending

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Speaker 1: that like, oh, everything is kind of the same. No no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: Their consequences of this are are yet to be visible.

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Speaker 1: But they're going to be really, they're gonna be profound.

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Speaker 1: I would say, obviously, to make another obvious point, which

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Speaker 1: is my specialty. No, that's not your specialty, Tucker. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you making the time for my podcast. It

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Speaker 1: means a lot, man, It was my honor. Thank you

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Speaker 1: Lis for having me. Thanks for listening to news World.

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Speaker 1: New episodes of the Truth with Lisa Booth are available

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