1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: When I make a list of the most popular things 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: we do on this show over the years. Having done 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: this for twenty years now, playing a Paul Harvey clip, 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: we up there, playing a Rush Limbaugh clip. Will be 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: up there, having doctor ed young On. 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: We'll be up there. Those are those are. 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: Things, And and then I will discover in my meanderings. 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: Usually somebody will send it to me, someone talking about 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: a book of the Bible, a character in the by 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: person in the Bible, or a parable or something of 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: the sort, or what a verse means to them. And 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: I'll find, you know, some some Bible teacher who explains 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: that in a way that is compelling, and so we'll 14 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: we'll share those. And it's amazing how many people will say, 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: where did that come from? Where do I find that? 16 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: Because they want to they want to listen again, or 17 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: they want to share it with someone else. 18 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: And so it's something that we enjoyed doing, and. 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: I intend to probably do much more of it going 20 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: forward because I enjoy it, and it seems to be 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: something that you enjoy as well. So someone sent me 22 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: an email. 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: And said, hey, you were at UH. 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: When David Klingler was there. He was the superstar quarterback 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: went to the Cincinnati Bengals first round draft pick, and 26 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: I said, yes, we weren't buddies, but I knew who 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: he was. Obviously we all did. He was a big 28 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: man on campus. And I'm always interested in where are 29 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: they now? VH one did one? And this may be 30 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: my favorite where are they now? For somebody who I 31 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: didn't know what he was up to. 32 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: He's teaching the. 33 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: Bible, and from what I understand, he's darn good at it. 34 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: I have gone on to his podcast which is called 35 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: Teach Me the Bible. He has a website, teach Me 36 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: the Bible lives out in Brenham. But I got to say, 37 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: this guy is doing literally doing the Lord's work. And 38 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: I was so delighted to see what he used his 39 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: celebrity and his skill set for. And so we reached 40 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: out through mutual friends to ask him to come on 41 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: and talk about his ministry. And I am honored to 42 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: say he's with us now. David Klingler, Welcome to the program. 43 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: Michael. Good to talk to you. 44 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: So take me from in in ninety two, you're drafted 45 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: by the Bengals. 46 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: We'll talk football in a moment. 47 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: Raiders ninety six ninety seven. Then you were on the 48 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: practice squad for the Packers. Football is over. Take me 49 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: to the next phase of your life. Let's start there. 50 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 3: Well, well, that's a great, great question. So so football 51 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 3: was over pretty much after my second year in Cincinnati. 52 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 3: I had had elbow damage, went to surgery and they 53 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 3: said it was care ending. And you know, one of 54 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: the things that I realized was that football is not 55 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: a career. Unless you're a coach, then it's not particularly 56 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: a good career. You're just waiting to get fired at 57 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: seeing me. But but then the question was what do 58 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 3: you do next? And uh, you know, what does life 59 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: look like after you know, you're you're you've done everything 60 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: that you thought you wanted to do and and and 61 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 3: so that was kind of how football came to an end. 62 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 3: And and I remember it was actually, uh, this the 63 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 3: first off season I had come back to Houston. You know, 64 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: we still had a home in Katie and and the Oilers. 65 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: That was back when the Oilers were in Houston. And 66 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: came back to the off season and was invited by 67 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: the FCA Director of the Houston Area to go to 68 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: the Oilers Bible Study. And I went to the Oilers 69 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: Bible Study. And a guy named body Backham was teaching 70 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: the Bible study and many of you may know that name, 71 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: and and uh and we got to talk and after 72 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: the study, and he said, you know, you need to 73 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: quit football and go to seminary. And I'm thinking, who 74 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: in the world goes to seminary? You know even know 75 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 3: what that means. But that's kind of how it started, 76 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: you know. And uh, and just an interest in in 77 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 3: the Bible. And and so over the next maybe eight 78 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 3: years he kept after me. And and finally I had had 79 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: a ranch out in the Burton area Brenda Mary and uh, 80 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 3: some some you know person pulled in wanted to buy 81 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 3: the ranch, and so I sold it. And he said, 82 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: well what do I do now? I said, well, I'm 83 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: going to go to seminary. And that's kind of how 84 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 3: it started. 85 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 2: So you had I think a thousand acres or more, No. 86 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: It was it was about five hundred little video. Yeah, well, 87 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: ral chat, that's a massive amount of Burton, in Burton, 88 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: in Washington County. 89 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 3: Well today, back then, you know, gosh, so I wish 90 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 3: i'd have bought you know, you know, everything the light 91 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: touches back. If I hadn't known then what I know now, 92 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: but but yeah, we you know, my plan was to 93 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 3: go retire, shut the gate and uh, you know, and 94 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 3: and we know and just trained some horses and and 95 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 3: my wife's plan was to raise our boys and uh 96 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: somewhere bigger than than Burton. And so we moved back 97 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: to the Kady area. Boys went to Sinco Ranch High 98 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 3: School and and really enjoyed it there. But but you 99 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: know how it is living in the town and property 100 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 3: taxes and traffic and people and all that, and uh, 101 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: and it was just time to get back out into 102 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 3: a little more space. And so we moved back out here. 103 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 3: We live in the Brenna Mary Now, okay, so that's 104 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 3: what we're doing. 105 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 2: You complete seminary, and then what's the next step at 106 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: that point? What happened? 107 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: Well, the reason I went to sim I didn't want 108 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 3: to be a pastor. I didn't want to be a professor. 109 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 3: I didn't even that wasn't even on the radar. I 110 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 3: just wanted to know the Bible. And and I remember hearing, 111 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 3: you know, I used to listen to the morning Christian 112 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: radio and Tony Evans was on, Chucks Lindahl was on, 113 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 3: and they had two radio stations right too, radio shows 114 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: back to back, and I listened to them, and then 115 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 3: I just happened to go to church on Sunday, and 116 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 3: all three of them preached the same passage, but none 117 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: of them said the same thing. And I kept thinking, 118 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 3: you know, who are you supposed to listen to? Here? 119 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 3: You know, you got the Catholics, the Presbyterians, the Lutherans, 120 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 3: the Baptists, and everybody's saying something different, and they're all 121 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 3: saying in some ways mutually exclusive things, and so who 122 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 3: are you supposed to listen to? And how do you 123 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: know what's right? And so I just went to seminary 124 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 3: to learn the Bible. I walked into my first seminary class, 125 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: and this professor just made the Bible so simple and 126 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 3: so understandable. You know, it wasn't versus an idolation, but 127 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: these actually made sense. You know, one sentence went with 128 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: the next sentence, you know, one verse went with the 129 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: next verson and the book started to make sense, and 130 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: so it really captivated my curiosity. I came home after 131 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 3: the first night and and I said, I want to 132 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 3: get a PhD. And my wife's looking at me, like, 133 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: who are you? 134 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: You've been there one day one day. 135 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, one day, and that meant, you know, one hundred 136 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: and twenty hour degree, and about half about half of 137 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 3: that degree was in was in the Dallas area, so 138 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: I couldn't take it in Houston. And we had boys, 139 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: and so I said, well, she said, how are you 140 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: going to do this? So I said, I'll get up 141 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: at three in the morning, I'll drive and I'll be 142 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 3: home you know, in the afternoon or evening. And and 143 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: it required learning Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic and you know, 144 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: and then for the PhD, French and German and you know, 145 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: I don't know, you start piling up the languages and 146 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: you start to lose track. But it was just a 147 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: passion to understand what, you know, what did the Bible mean? 148 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: And then and then once I started to take theology 149 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: classes and church history, then it really be there. Sure. Uh. 150 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: David Klingler is our guest. The site is Teach Me 151 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: the Bible dot com. 152 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: This is the Michael Berry Show. 153 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: Locked and loaded, it didn't loaded. 154 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: David Klingler is our guest. 155 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: He was he wrote too many as a college quarterback 156 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: at the University of Houston, first round draft pick with 157 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals, but what he does now is far more interesting. 158 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: The website is Teach Me Thebible dot com. There is 159 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: a podcast that effect. We're talking about a fellow who 160 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: arrives at seminary. I mean, look, you don't get to 161 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: be a star quarterback and throw for almost ten thousand 162 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: yards in college without being a little cocky, right, So 163 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: he shows up the first day in seminary to catch 164 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: you folks up and decides after that, yeah, I'll go 165 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: ahead and get a PhD. Were you a good student 166 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: growing up? Were academics something? Because most athletes obviously weren't. 167 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 2: Were you? 168 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 3: You know? I went to so at University of Houston. 169 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: I was in the business program, and it was a 170 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 3: great school. But thinks I would pick out things pretty quickly, 171 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: and so I didn't have to spend a lot of 172 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: time at it. Now, if I was interested in it, boy, 173 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 3: it became a passion. And so, yeah, I could be 174 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: a good student. But I was interested in things I 175 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 3: was interested in. You know how boys are in the 176 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: things I wasn't interested in. I just had no interest in, 177 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 3: you know. 178 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: And so on a personal level, you were going to 179 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: seminary and driving back and forth and being a dad 180 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: and I'm assuming, you know, the sale of your property 181 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: out in Burton kind of you know, helped cover the 182 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: bills and hopefully you saved some of what you made 183 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: as an athlete. Were you were you, were you working, 184 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: Were you earning a paycheck anywhere during this time or 185 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: just going to a seminary, just going to seminary. 186 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 3: I just had totally devoted myself to learning the Bible, 187 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: not for any other really agenda or reason. I just 188 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 3: wanted to know the truth, so to speak. And I 189 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 3: was it is my second year of school, and the 190 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: dean then of the College of Biblical Studies here in 191 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 3: Houston asked some of the students, was that you know 192 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 3: that he was looking for some professors and people to 193 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: teach the Bible. And so he's asking the professors at 194 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 3: the seminary, do you have any good students? And my 195 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 3: name kept coming up, and so he asked me to teach, 196 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 3: and so I just went in and taught, you know, 197 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 3: told others what I had learned that was taught by 198 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 3: my professors. A couple of years later, the Dallas Seminary 199 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 3: asked me to teach start teaching biblical languages. And then 200 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: I started teaching Greek and Hebrew and Bible. I was 201 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,119 Speaker 3: teaching actually at three schools before I had finished my PhD. 202 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: And which you know, they typically require a PhD to teach, 203 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 3: but they had made an exception for me. So I 204 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 3: was teaching at College of Biblical Studies, at Dallas Theological Seminary, 205 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: and then at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. And again, my 206 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,599 Speaker 3: passion was just to learn the Bible, and I realized 207 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 3: that it wasn't that complicated. Boy, we sure make it hard, 208 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 3: but it wasn't. It wasn't that complicated to understand. And 209 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: maybe out of frustration, you know, it's you know, I 210 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 3: wanted to teach others so that they could understand it, 211 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: so you didn't have to listen to what somebody says. 212 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: The Bible says that you can actually open it up 213 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 3: and read it and make sense of it well. 214 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: And that was always, uh, you know, as a Southern Baptist, 215 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: I am a believer that I don't need a pope 216 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: or anyone else to translate for me. You know, it's 217 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: in my language, and it's it's my personal journey and 218 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: it applies to me, and no one needs to translate it. 219 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: For me, how did you arrive at the concept of 220 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: teach me the Bible? Were people asking you that question? 221 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 2: Because it's so simple and so. 222 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: Direct, And I think that that was part of what 223 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: I found to be the appeal when I went to 224 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: the website and then started on the podcast. 225 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a funny story. So we live out here 226 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 3: in Brenham, and so met a pastor out here and 227 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: just wanted to help him, you know, succeed in the 228 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 3: pastor and it's such a bad job. It's a hard 229 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: job unless you're called to it. And so we would 230 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: sit on the porch and we would just talk about 231 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 3: the Bible, and he'd ask, you know, hey, what about this, 232 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 3: and so we talk about it. Well, we hired a 233 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: worship pastor and he came in and you know, he 234 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: had made the statement to him. He says, you know, 235 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 3: we teach the Bible and we sing heresy, how can 236 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 3: I learn the Bible? Because so many of our Christian 237 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 3: songs are such bad theology. I said, well, why don't 238 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 3: you just come sit on the porch with us and 239 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 3: talk the Bible? And he said, you know, we need 240 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 3: to make a podcast of that. And that's how it started. 241 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: So I said well, I don't even know what that 242 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 3: means podcasts, you know. He said, well, don't worry about that. Well, 243 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: I'll bring the microphones. We'll set it up. And so 244 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 3: he's our technology guy. So that's what we do. We 245 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: come in and and the microphones are set up and 246 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: they just ask questions and I talk, you know, tell 247 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 3: us about this book, and so we walk through the 248 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 3: book and it really is a simple concept, but it's 249 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 3: really had a great response when when. 250 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: Folks who grew up in the church but maybe have 251 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: have drifted away, or or folks who go to a 252 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: church and as you know, this is very common where 253 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: the Bible is not first and foremost, and they say, 254 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: I really want to get I want to go deeper in. 255 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: I want to engage in. 256 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: Personal study, not church going personal study. Do you have 257 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: an approach as to a place to begin or what 258 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: what is how do you handle that? 259 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, well it's really interesting that we so much 260 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 3: of so many people today come to seminary for just 261 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 3: that they've been involved in church, but they want to 262 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: learn the Bible, and so they come in thinking they 263 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: know a whole bunch of stuff that usually they come 264 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 3: in with their theology with their you know, with their 265 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 3: life verses or whatever it is. And and when you 266 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 3: ask them to explain what that verse is doing with 267 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 3: the sentence right before the sentence right after it, they 268 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 3: have they have they can't answer. And you hear so often. 269 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 3: You know, you start in the Gospel of John or 270 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 3: something like that. But if I handed you any book, 271 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: any any book, and said here, read this book, well 272 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 3: you would just start at the beginning. And and that's 273 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 3: where you ought to start. In the Bible, you start 274 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: at the beginning. You start in Genesis, and and it's 275 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: really a simple story. It's the Bible is the revelation 276 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: of God's redemptive history through you know, through through human history. 277 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just in the beginning, uh, creation fall 278 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 3: and off the Lord goes to bring about his promised deliverer, 279 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 3: and you get to walk down that trail uh with 280 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 3: the authors as they tell the story of God's redemptive 281 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 3: acts throughout human history, culminating in the person of his 282 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 3: son Jesus Christ. And so it makes perfect sense. It's 283 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: really simple to understand. But if we start in the middle, 284 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 3: or start with some verse, or you start with some 285 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 3: theological grid or concept or defense, it becomes really convoluted 286 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 3: very quickly. 287 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: Although full disclaim, full disclosure and disclaimer on your part, 288 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: your expertise is your PhD is actually an Old Testament 289 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: studies so would I would argue that in terms of accessibility, 290 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: most folks can start in the New Testament with a 291 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: lot greater ease to at least get to develop comfort 292 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: in who we're dealing with here, whereas the Old Testament 293 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: can be, in my opinion, can be a little tougheror 294 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: not to crack. 295 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so what happens is, let me start with 296 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: the Gospel of John. So John else the reader, why 297 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: he wrote his story that many other signs Jesus did 298 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: in the presence of his disciples which were not written 299 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 3: in this book. 300 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: Hold right there, we're up against the break. David Klingler 301 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: is our guest. The website is teach Me the Bible 302 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: dot Com and that is also the name of the podcast. 303 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 3: More than I have almost went the laws to myself. 304 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: The Michael Berry Show. 305 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: David Klingler is our guest, former star quarterback. Now teach 306 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: Me the Bible dot Com or you can listen to 307 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: the podcast teach Me about You were talking about the 308 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: Book of John. And and we're going to get to 309 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: Paul's letters, I hope at some point, because that's something that's. 310 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: Always appealed to me. 311 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: But you were talking about we're talking about learning the Bible, 312 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: and I'm talking as much about self taught, which appears 313 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: to be a lot of what y'all do. And I 314 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: love that you're not trying to build an audience for yourself. 315 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: You're trying to it appears to me, at least my 316 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: my study of what y'all have done is to get 317 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: people engage themselves in a self help study of the Bible. 318 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: And I love that approach. But anyway, go ahead. 319 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, our mission is to help the people of God 320 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 3: understand the Word of God. But you know the Gospel 321 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 3: of John, John is writing to convince the reader that 322 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 3: Jesus is the Christ. Well, if I ask students, and 323 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 3: I do this all the time in seminary, okay, well 324 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 3: what does that mean? And they look at me with 325 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 3: a blank stare, like I don't know. Like Jesus Christ right, 326 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 3: Like you know, if he was wearing a jersey on 327 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 3: the back of his jersey it would say Christ like 328 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 3: his last name. Well, that's not that's not, that's a title. 329 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 3: He's the anointed King of Israel, proven through what he does, 330 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 3: through what he says. His words and works match those 331 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 3: of the Old Testament. So he's not somebody because even 332 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 3: John says so. Jesus even says in the Gospel of John, 333 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 3: in interacting with the fair, you know, you search the scriptures, 334 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 3: because then then you think you have eternal life. But 335 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 3: it's these that speak of me. And of course he's 336 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 3: talking about the Old Testament, that all of creation was 337 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 3: waiting for this one to appear, and so that anticipation 338 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 3: is built in the Old Testament. And then you know, 339 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 3: I love how Matthew presents it. You know, the hope 340 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 3: of the world walked onto the scene in human form. 341 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: John says that that that the Word became flesh and 342 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 3: dwelt among us, talking about John and the other disciples, 343 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 3: and we beheld his glory, we saw him, we touched 344 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 3: him our hands, we stuck our fingers in those holes, 345 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 3: and so we proclaimed to you. And so it's just 346 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 3: such an amazing story that corresponds to history. I mean, 347 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 3: you look at the world around us and even current 348 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 3: events today and what's happening, and this whole thing is 349 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 3: heading towards the end of God's redemptive history. And you know, 350 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: so the reason why it's so relevant to us is 351 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 3: because you're in it. We're all in it, you know, 352 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 3: and so so it's just such a compelling the story 353 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 3: to me that corresponds to life, to all of our lives, 354 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 3: and so I think it's something that everybody needs to 355 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 3: know for themselves. 356 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: That's a fascinating approach. 357 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 3: You know. 358 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: I have experienced something over the years, and I'm sure 359 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: you have tenfold, and that is that if I have 360 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: someone on to talk about the Bible, or if I 361 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: myself make a statement about my interpretation of something, there 362 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: are a certain number of people who it's the one 363 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: upsmanship of social media. They can't help themselves, but they 364 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: love to tell you how that's wrong because their pastor 365 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: said this. 366 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: This or this, And I equate it to this. 367 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: If I were to go on Facebook today, which is 368 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: a toxic can be a toxic place, but it could 369 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: also be a wonderful place because we get some things 370 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: done there kind of crowd sourcing. 371 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 2: And if I were to say. 372 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: I went to David Klingler's home this weekend and he 373 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: made burgers for us, and they were wonderful, delicious burgers 374 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: with cheese and meat and mayonnaise and bread. I would 375 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: out of the thousand people that would respond, fifty of 376 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,239 Speaker 1: them would be, now, my brother's burgers are better, even 377 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: though they had never eaten you. There was just this 378 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: desire to kind of want to do you find people 379 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: to be after reviewing the podcast, A certain number of 380 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: them to be compat combative, argumentative, because I find that 381 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: the Bible brings that out in some people worse than 382 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: even sports fandom. 383 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, politics, you deal with it. You know, it's politics, religion. 384 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: Those are areas in sports, right, politics for religion and sports. 385 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 3: So you know, those are the kind of the three 386 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 3: areas where everybody is entitled to their own opinion, you know. 387 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 3: And you can't tell me any different, but you know, 388 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 3: but again, what motivates me. I really like the example 389 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 3: of the Bareans that that Luke records in the Book 390 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 3: of Acts. You know that they're commended for going back 391 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 3: to the scriptures to see if these things are so. 392 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 3: And you know, and so I tell my students all 393 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 3: the time, don't listen to me. I don't want you to. 394 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 3: You know, when you stand before the Lord and say well, 395 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 3: doctor Klingler said, well, you know what I tell them. 396 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 3: Klingler's a moron. He's been a more in his whole life. 397 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 3: He's just trying to help you see what the scriptures say. 398 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 3: So let's go back to see if these things are 399 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 3: so and so often our interpretation of some verse doesn't 400 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 3: make any sense. You know, I hear the same ones 401 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 3: all the time. I can do all things through Christy 402 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 3: strengthens me. Well think about that for a second. Can 403 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 3: you what can you actually do through Christy strengthens you? 404 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 3: Can you leap tall buildings with a single bound? Or 405 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 3: mentoring a kid in high school and he had that 406 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 3: Philippians four point thirteen on his letter jacket and his 407 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 3: name is Casey, And I said, Casey, what's that phil 408 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 3: four thirteen? And he looked at me like, why aren't 409 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 3: you supposed to be a Bible teacher. Aren't you supposed 410 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 3: to know this? He said, I can do all things 411 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 3: through Christ, who strengthens me. I said, but like what? 412 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 3: And he got this panicked look on his face like 413 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 3: I'm not so sure now that you you pressed me 414 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: on it, And so I said, well how much do 415 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 3: you bench pressed? And he said, well, you know about 416 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 3: three fifteen, So that's pretty good for high school kid. 417 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: I said, how much you bench pressed with Christ's strengthened you? 418 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 3: He says, well, I guess about the same. I said, 419 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: what does that mean? And noticed that Paul's writing to 420 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 3: the Philippians and he doesn't say, y'all can do all 421 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 3: things through Christ, who strengthens y'all. He could have said that, 422 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 3: So what does he mean when he says what he says? So? Really, yeah, Well, 423 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 3: what he's talking about in the whole letter is that 424 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 3: he was concerned for these Philippians because you know, the 425 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 3: the it's a very wealth theology today that if you 426 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 3: serve the Lord, right, if you serve whatever God it 427 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: is you serve, he will bless you physically and financially. Now, 428 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 3: and of course that's not the gospel, that's not Paul's reality. 429 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 3: Paul had everything you know that a religious leader would 430 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 3: desire when he was a Pharisee. But he comes to 431 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 3: Christ and now all of a sudden, he's being beaten 432 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 3: and persecuted and shipwrecked, and everywhere he goes it's turning 433 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 3: terrible for him. And he's concerned with these Philippians who 434 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 3: have participated with him in the gospel from the first 435 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: Day until now. They've been with him in his defense 436 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 3: of the gospel. And he's concerned that they're going to 437 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 3: leave him because of the persecution that's coming. And so 438 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 3: they've sent him a gift, and he's thankful for the gift. 439 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 3: He's writing this in chapter four and he says, I'm 440 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 3: thankful for the gift, but I don't need it. I've 441 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 3: learned how to get along with plenty, and I've learned 442 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 3: how to get along with nothing. I'm amply supplied. I 443 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 3: can do all things through christy strengthens me. He can 444 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 3: endure all suffering, he can endure all hardship because his 445 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 3: hope is in resurrection, not in you know stuff now, 446 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 3: life now, prosperity now, and and so once you put 447 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 3: it in that context, now the reader, the Philippians who 448 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 3: are to adopt Paul's theology to think the same way 449 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: Paul thinks, can say, ah, now I understand what he's saying, 450 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 3: and we too can do all things through we can 451 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 3: endure all things through Christ, who strengthens us. And that's 452 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 3: really the the reality of life, isn't it that? You 453 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 3: know we were talking we were texting back and forth, 454 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 3: and we're getting old here, and you can see. 455 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm not quite as old as here. We'll continue our 456 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: conversation with David Pling. The website is teach Me the 457 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: Bible dot Com. Teach Me the Bible dot Com is 458 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: also the name of the pipeline. 459 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 3: We're going to be changing the name of the Gulf 460 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 3: of Mexico to the Gulf of Michael Berry, which has 461 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 3: a beautiful. 462 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: David Klingler was once known as a star quarterback of 463 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: Stratford High School and then at the University of Houston, 464 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: where he was a third in the running for the 465 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy the year that Ty Detmer of BYU won it, 466 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: and rocket ismael number two at Notre Dame. He was 467 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: his first round draft pick for Cincinnati Bengals, and after 468 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: his career. 469 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 2: Was over, as he said, even before that, he started. 470 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: Looking for more meaning in life and he wanted to 471 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: learn the Bible, not to preach, not for a living. 472 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: He didn't need to worry about that, but he wanted 473 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: to understand and learn the Word of God. 474 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 2: So he went to. 475 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: The Dallas Theological Seminary and ended up getting his PhD. 476 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: And now Teach Me the Bible dot Com and the 477 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: podcast teach Me the Bible. 478 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 2: And with us. 479 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: Now, let me give you this segment if you would, 480 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: and you've got about eight minutes, and I want you 481 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: to teach me the Bible of the Birth of Christ 482 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: as you would, and I'll give you a one minute 483 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: wrap up. But I'm my guessing as you got your 484 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: clock down pretty good. 485 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 3: All right, So the assignment the birth of would. 486 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 2: Have been nice if I gave you the lead time, 487 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: I know. But anyway, well that's. 488 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: Okay, Well no, well, it's it's an Old Testament story, 489 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 3: you know it really, the birth of Christ is an 490 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 3: Old Testament story. The whole story is an anticipation. So 491 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 3: we you know, we go back to creation, we go 492 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 3: back to the garden, and you know, and God has 493 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 3: this mandate torre. He says, let us make man in 494 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 3: our image and in our lightnings, and let him rule 495 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 3: over the bird's ear and the fishency and the beasts 496 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 3: of the field. He creates man and gives him, creates 497 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 3: the one and a help her. They were to be 498 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 3: fruitful and multiply image bears and the serpent comes into 499 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 3: this scene. The antagonists or the Satan. We call him all. 500 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 3: Satan means hactan. The adversary comes in and deceives the woman, 501 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 3: and the man's there with her, and they eat of 502 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 3: the forbidden tree and they're kicked out of the garden. 503 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 3: They're removed from the tree of life. And so now man, 504 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 3: you know, Adam's name is a He comes from the 505 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 3: Adamah Adama means ground. He was raised up out of 506 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 3: the ground to never return to it, to rule over 507 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 3: the bird's, the ear, the fishescy of the beast, and field. 508 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 3: And now he's going back to the ground. And that 509 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 3: creates the problem. And it's our problem, right, we think 510 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 3: we've got a lot of problems. Our problem is you're 511 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 3: you know, your days are numbered, and you don't know 512 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 3: if today's your last day, and and so this introduces 513 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 3: the problem. And the Lord declared right there in Genesis three. 514 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 3: The Church has always recognized what we call the proto 515 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 3: e ben Gelian, the first proclamation of the Gospel, that 516 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: the Lord was going to bring through this woman, this 517 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 3: one who would be born, who would die for sin. 518 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 3: We're reading a little bit in here, but this is 519 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 3: what's developed in the story. And so the whole story 520 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 3: of Genesis is tracking this promise and really nothing else. 521 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 3: Practice attracts this promise down through the genealogies, through Noah, 522 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 3: through Abraham, through Isaac, through Jacob, through Israel, through Judah, 523 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 3: through the family line of Paris, to the house of 524 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 3: David the King, and this promise is given to him, 525 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 3: and it's going to come through this kingly line of 526 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 3: David and Isaiah. The prophet shows up and condemns the 527 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 3: whole line of David and says, a virgin will give birth, 528 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 3: that I don't need you kings, I don't need you. 529 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 3: The Davidic line, I don't need is I'll do it 530 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 3: by myself with a little girl. And so all of creation, 531 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 3: all of the hope of the world waits for God 532 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 3: to keep his promises. As Israel is disobedient, thrown out 533 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 3: of the land, dispersed among the nations, and at the 534 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 3: right time to the day, as Daniel the Prophet prophesies, 535 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 3: Christ is born, the promised One appears, and he's proven 536 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 3: through his words and works that he is the one 537 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 3: that the whole creation, all of the law and the 538 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 3: prophets and the psalms, was anticipating. And he walks onto 539 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 3: the scene and does exactly what was foretold, crucified, buried, resurrected, 540 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 3: ascends to the right hand of the Father, and you know, 541 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 3: and that's the gospel story. That's the it's the story 542 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 3: of the births of Christ. So it's a thirty nine 543 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 3: books building towards the gospels. Everything is pointing towards this one. 544 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 3: And when he's born, it is just, you know, the 545 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 3: hope of the world has appeared. And you know, and 546 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 3: so what. 547 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned Philippians four thirteen and how people 548 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: use in a kind of a health and wellness. You know, 549 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me. 550 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: What are things about Christ's birth or life or I 551 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: don't want to get to teachings per se yet because 552 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: I want to save that. But what are things about 553 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: Christ's life that you think are not understood or widely misunderstood? 554 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 3: Well, I think that the from the very beginning. You know, 555 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 3: you think about Job and Job's friends. This it's this 556 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 3: theology that says, if you serve the Lord or serve 557 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: God or whatever it is, you'll be blessed. Now and say, well, 558 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 3: that doesn't make any sense. It certainly didn't work for Paul. 559 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 3: It didn't work. I mean, you go back to the 560 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 3: very beginning of the of the Bible of Caina and Abel. 561 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 3: You know, Abel was the righteous one, but Cain kills Abel. 562 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 3: I mean, it didn't work for Abel, it didn't work 563 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 3: for Jesus, it didn't work for the prophets Paul. So 564 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 3: Paul is going to say things like, all who desire 565 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 3: to be godly in Christ, Jesus will suffer, will be persecuted. 566 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 3: And so this was Jesus's life, and so often I 567 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 3: think that and we kind of learned this through through 568 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: church history and our unique American experience, that we've westernized 569 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,719 Speaker 3: the Gospel and americanized it so that the means by 570 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 3: which you can experience the American dream is through Christ. 571 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 3: He will help you, you know, achieve all you want 572 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 3: to achieve. I know the plans I have for you, 573 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 3: declares the Lord of future and hope. And so we 574 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 3: go in there, we grab that verse and jerk it 575 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 3: out of context, and we make it about us. And 576 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 3: and so you know, Christ came as a suffering servant 577 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 3: to lay down his life for sin, and I don't 578 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 3: think that we focus on that near enough and call believers. 579 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 3: And in the early Church, first a few centuries they 580 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 3: viewed suffering martyrdom as part of discipleship, to deny yourself 581 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 3: and to take up your cross, and it was very 582 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 3: real to them. But once the you know, Christianity kind 583 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 3: of becomes the state religion, or at least the accepted religion, 584 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 3: persecution ends and those verses kind of go away, and 585 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 3: they're uncomfortable, and now you know, it's yeah, and it 586 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 3: becomes a means by which we can achieve. 587 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: Ye, and we we thank Jesus because we won the game. 588 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: And I always think, well, does that mean the Lord 589 00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: didn't care for. 590 00:32:59,400 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: The other team? 591 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: You know, there's this idea that you know, if I, 592 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: if I chuck up a deuce after the game. 593 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 2: You know, then God will favor me with victories and 594 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 2: awards and all those things. 595 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: And it's always it's always been interesting that that's that's 596 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: almost this this I don't know that that one's always 597 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: bothered me a bit more than the others. 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