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Speaker 1: Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to a minisode of

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Speaker 1: Real Time Crime. And because this is real time, we

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Speaker 1: are coming in hot with an update. I'm one of

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Speaker 1: your host, Leo Lamar, and today I have with me

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Speaker 1: also my wonderful co host, Teddy Mellencamp. Hi guys, Hi Teddy.

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Speaker 1: And of course we have our friend and producer sitting

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Speaker 1: in the corner, Dmitri. Did we add friends of that title. No,

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Speaker 1: we're just a little amped up today, so we decided

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Speaker 1: to throw friend in because we need you to really,

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Speaker 1: the update is that we have just found confirmation of

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Speaker 1: Brian Loundry's dental records. So do you guys think that

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Speaker 1: means his body is with those dental remains? Well, let's

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Speaker 1: take it two steps back. They found skeletal remains yesterday.

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Speaker 1: For those of you who are not in the know,

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Speaker 1: today is Thursday the twenty one. Yesterday was Wednesday the

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Speaker 1: twenty when they identified skeletal remains, which means the entire

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Speaker 1: body had been decomposed and all they found were a

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Speaker 1: pile of bones. They tented up in the reserve two

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Speaker 1: different locations, so that leads us to believe that either

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Speaker 1: they found evidence like his backpack in his notebook, which

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Speaker 1: somehow we're perfectly preserved and dry for his family to

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Speaker 1: find right right right line, we need to go back

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Speaker 1: like that. But yeah, so so we're not sure if

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Speaker 1: it means the bones were scattered or there was his

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Speaker 1: backpack in his notebook in one area and the bones

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Speaker 1: and the other. That information we're uncertain of. And of

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Speaker 1: course there is a lot of rumor, uh situations happening.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I've gone down to Reddit rabbit hole and

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Speaker 1: every one saying that they found a skull and that

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Speaker 1: he shot himself in the head. So that's also something

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Speaker 1: to take note of. I'd be surprised if they found

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Speaker 1: a gun. But now let's take it back three more steps. So, Teddy,

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Speaker 1: do you want to fill us in a little bit

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Speaker 1: on how they were led to the skeletal remains of

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Speaker 1: Brian laundry? Okay, Well, the first thing that I want

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Speaker 1: to point out is Roberta and Chris have been followed

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Speaker 1: mercy like NonStop. They can't even go to the grocery

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Speaker 1: store without media following them. But somehow they were able

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Speaker 1: able to get to the reserves, walk straight into the park,

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Speaker 1: walk straight to the area and which they find the

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Speaker 1: skeletal remains where I what I saw was that they

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Speaker 1: found the bag, and that one of the other people,

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Speaker 1: one of the other FBI detectives, found the notebook. And

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Speaker 1: it just so happens that after all this time, they

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Speaker 1: just walked right there and found it. So you're trying

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Speaker 1: to tell me that after the FBI and several cadaver

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Speaker 1: dogs five weeks in, no one was able to find

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Speaker 1: any evidence until his parents hopped in a car and

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Speaker 1: within one hour found all of the evidence and his remains.

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Speaker 1: That's actually exactly what I'm saying. Leah, this is interesting, Teddy,

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Speaker 1: this is interesting. Dmitre. I feel you, I feel your

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Speaker 1: energy in the corner radiated. Really struggling with this whole

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Speaker 1: thing because it's so outrageous. But did they not say

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Speaker 1: Now I have another question. If it was underwater, now

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Speaker 1: it's suddenly not underwater. How did they know to just

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Speaker 1: Which leads me to another point that has recently been

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Speaker 1: brought up. So what we had always been told was

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Speaker 1: that the Laundries didn't tell authorities that their son was

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Speaker 1: alerted authorities on September. So my question is to you, guys,

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Speaker 1: camping trip, the one he went on with Cassie and

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Speaker 1: that a lot of times there's too many moments of

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Speaker 1: coincidences in murder cases where everyone and by everyone, I

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Speaker 1: and yet it seems odd. Oh it's like just with

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Speaker 1: the Robert Durst case, Oh, he just happened to be

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Speaker 1: in California when Susan Burman was murdered. California is a

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Speaker 1: quote unquote big state. Let's say that this is him.

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Speaker 1: But essentially Chris was saying, how could you not send

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Speaker 1: And how come they never spoke to anyone, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Here's the part that's really and I just have to say,

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Speaker 1: I'm just so mad right now. Like I feel upset,

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Speaker 1: I feel angry. I want answers. I wanted to be

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Speaker 1: able to hear from Brian Laundry. I wanted to know

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Speaker 1: what really happened. And like the fact that it's ending

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Speaker 1: the worst possible scenario. If this is the case, there

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Speaker 1: all the evidence. And there has been so much media

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Speaker 1: know these people. But for better for worse, this story

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Speaker 1: We want to know what happened. We want to know

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Speaker 1: how he left her body. Um you know, if he

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Speaker 1: he was responsible for other murders, as many people are

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Speaker 1: saying they think that he's a serial killer. They are

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Speaker 1: curious to know, you know, is there still ink in

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Speaker 1: his notebook? But if it was underwater, wouldn't the ink

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Speaker 1: be gone by now? You know? There's just we have

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Speaker 1: has been mysterious from beginning to end. So many plot

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Speaker 1: points are missing. How did the FBI just let him

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Speaker 1: when he was quote unquote under surveillance. I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: And let's also say this, let's say that this is him.

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Speaker 1: What are your guys thoughts on Chris and Roberta. Do

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Speaker 1: you think they now deserve the chance to to grieve

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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry is like backstory, like what he has personally

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Speaker 1: struggled with what we don't know, Well, we know he's

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Speaker 1: struggled with anger issues and control issues, right, but we

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Speaker 1: where they both were mentally, and not that any of

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Speaker 1: then they're allowed a lot less than I would normally allow.

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Speaker 1: Grieving parents will cover up him running away or covering

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Speaker 1: up him committing suicide. What if they covered up any

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Speaker 1: a lot less than I would normally allow grieving parents. Well,

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Speaker 1: while we're in the middle of this conversation, I just

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Speaker 1: received a text message and it says I feel like

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Speaker 1: there's a conspiracy here and that his parents planted evidence literally,

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Speaker 1: what does it say about our society that we all

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Speaker 1: do not trust the FBI and that we think that

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Speaker 1: there's a conspiracy. I mean, what do you guys think

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Speaker 1: that there's a chance that this is just his teeth.

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Speaker 1: He knocked him out and he's still on the go.

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Speaker 1: It's real time crop it real time groan. It actually

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