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Speaker 1: Warning today's episode Canadid's spoilers for and Or episodes two,

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Speaker 1: O seven, two eight, and two nine.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepcion Han on Mersey Night and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to x ray Vision of the podcast where

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Speaker 1: we dive deep. It's your favorite shows, movies, comics and

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Speaker 1: huge episodes a week Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday plus.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode and Or and the creators Tony Gilroy

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Speaker 2: were obviously inspired by our three episodes a week because

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Speaker 2: they too are dropping three episodes a week, and this

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Speaker 2: week it is episodes seven, eight and nine, And if

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Speaker 2: you can believe it, it's just getting better.

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Speaker 1: Basically getting every.

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Speaker 3: Chapter is getting better.

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Speaker 2: This is some of the best TV that we've gotten

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Speaker 2: all year and probably will stand as that.

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Speaker 3: So let's talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Episode seven and Or season two we open a year

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Speaker 1: after episode six. It is now bby two. The Rebel

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Speaker 1: base that I know, we're so close. The Rebel base

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Speaker 1: at Yavin is a hub of activity. Ships are gathering powered.

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Speaker 1: We should add by the Crydo stolen by Saugre's cell.

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Speaker 1: Willman arrives on the planet Cassian and Bickx are already there.

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Speaker 1: They're camping in the woods. Willman comes in to break

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Speaker 1: up there snogging. They've been clearly spending some you know,

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Speaker 1: like some personal time together, which is wonderful. Their love

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Speaker 1: back into the fold. Cassian has been injured at some point,

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Speaker 1: Cassie wants to know what where Will has been, what

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Speaker 1: he been working on, and Will says that he doesn't

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Speaker 1: if you're ready to again. Are you ready to go

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Speaker 1: back into the field, And apparently Cassian has been ignoring

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Cassian has kind of been caught up in that

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the place where they're staying is so beautiful.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of this mixture between like a treehouse and a.

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Speaker 2: So lots has changed here, but it's clear that Cassian

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Speaker 1: Cassian suggests, like that Luthen come and see what's happening

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Speaker 1: And Deirdre is stressed out by all this and she

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Speaker 1: Cyril comes to see Deirdre, he like basically has to

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Speaker 1: Yes, Encoruscant Imperial spying on senators is increasing, especially the

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Speaker 1: The news on Coursant is just Gorman, Gorman, Gorman, and

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, this is the battle between what Cassian,

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Speaker 1: No, we're back. Episode A, We're back. We're in Gorman.

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Speaker 1: It's the next morning. Cassian puts his rifle together. Then

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Speaker 4: Pain, Like the robots are against him.

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00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody is against him. Everybody doesn't trust him.

430
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 2: And we get this really great moment too with one

431
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 2: of the Fox News kind of guys, the Imperial Fox News,

432
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: who's like that all there peacefully protesting and he's like,

433
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: look at this insurrection like it's thedest, Like he's.

434
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 4: He's already telling the Empire's story.

435
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 2: When what people can see on the screen is different

436
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 2: from what he's telling them. And that idea of an

437
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 2: objective truth and losing an objective truth is a huge

438
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: theme running for this huge episode.

439
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: Cyril gets into the room with Deirdre and he confronts

440
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: her and he's asking me, like what have you done?

441
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: What I'm here in mining equipment? Like is the Empire

442
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: actually doing this? Like is this actually us? And Deirdre's like, listen,

443
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: we're just following orders and this will all be over soon,

444
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: and how he's getting really really mad. He's like, how

445
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: long did you know about this. He's he's been made

446
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 1: to feel that he's been a fool, and he gets

447
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: really mad. He wraps his hands around Deirdre's neck and

448
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: he's squeezing, and then he stops and didre. Deirdre tells

449
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: Cyril that the stuff in the ground is stuff the

450
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: empire needs and when we get it, we're going home

451
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: as heroes. So just again, get with the program. It

452
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: was gonna happen anyway, she says, So what does it

453
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: matter that we're involved, like it was gonna happen if

454
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: we're not here gonna happen. It's gonna happen when where

455
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: you're just like, go with it. We may as well

456
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: take credit for Yeah, we might as well benefit. He

457
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: storms off. She's really shaken by this. Ceryl goes out,

458
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: I guess to try and do something, but he just

459
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: kind of gets lost by the events in the crowd.

460
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: Deirdre tells Garrish to detain him, but is he's out

461
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: there and it's too late. Partigas car part of gas

462
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: orders Deirdre basically begin the massacre, and Deirdre is questioning

463
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: whether she should relay that order, but she absolutely does.

464
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, yeah, in a way.

465
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: I almost feel like this is such they do such

466
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: a good job here, and it's this kind of like

467
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 2: for a moment, I was.

468
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 3: Like, is she is she questioning? And I felt I

469
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 3: think she is a little.

470
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 2: But I also think it's like anticipation of understanding that

471
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: when she makes the call, like everything's gonna change, you know,

472
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: she thinks she's now going to be a hero.

473
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: We were talking about this before the mics went on.

474
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: I think that this showed us such an incredible job,

475
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: and this is one of I think Tony Gilroy's like

476
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: one of his techniques. One of his moves is to

477
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: show you that evil, that fascism, which is this is

478
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: a very Unstar Wars thing, but that like these people

479
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: are human. They wonder if they're doing They're not some

480
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: inherently evil robot. They they're like, oh my God, like

481
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: we shouldn't do this, but in the end they end

482
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: up doing it, you know. I use the example of

483
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: Michael Clayton, which is a movie I talk way too

484
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: much about.

485
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: But now we love Michael Clayon, we do. We can

486
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: talk too much about it.

487
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: But till the Swinton's character, who is like the lead,

488
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: who is the in house attorney for this terrible chemical company.

489
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: Like when we meet her, she's nervously practicing a speech

490
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: and like putting her hand into her armpit and wondering

491
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: if she's sweating too much. And it's like we get

492
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: to see how this person who's about to go out

493
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: and do the most terrible shit is a human, frail person,

494
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: And I think we get those moments with Deirdre, and

495
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: it's really really powerful.

496
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 4: It's really good stuff.

497
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: So the crowd is now singing the Gorman Marseillae or

498
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: whatever their you know, their version of the Marseillaie is,

499
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: and the order is relayed for the Imperial troops to begin.

500
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: And the false flag is really diabolical. So an Imperial

501
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: sniper snipes one of their own troops and that's how

502
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: it sets it off. The massacre begins and it's just

503
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: like a fire. It's just a brutal suppression of the gores.

504
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: Some of the front are fighting back, but people are

505
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: falling all over the place. I mean, it's like an awful, awful,

506
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: awful death hole. Kaido is pleased. Deirdre goes out to

507
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: the balcony to look for Cyril. She's very worried about this,

508
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: they send the k Extroids into the frame and.

509
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: This is some awful, horrifying stuff. I think you're absolutely right.

510
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: They are the Star Wars terminate to that. Yea, they're

511
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: uns they you can't do anything about them, Like we've

512
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: never really gotten to see them in full imperial.

513
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 4: Mode, and it is truly horrifying.

514
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: They are like snapping people's backs, They're throwing people against

515
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: wolves that anything you can do, you cannot do it

516
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: to them, like they are basically untouchable.

517
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: Enza Rylance's daughter is thrown clear across the square and

518
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 1: killed by this chaos ride. And as the fighting has

519
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: taking place, the clerk gets to has a grenade somehow

520
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: and he takes out a squadron of smallshoopers with it.

521
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: And Cyril again has just been like hypnotized by this violence,

522
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: but he snapped out of it when he sees Cassion

523
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: and he recognizes him and remembers him from the age

524
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: the Axis Hunt and he attacks him and it's a brutal,

525
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: brutal fight.

526
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like this is I found very interesting

527
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: because I think that generally they have tried to portray

528
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: Cyril as pretty submissive, submissive to his mother submissive to Deirdre,

529
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: but in this episode we see him kind of trying

530
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: to find some semblance of independence, and for him that

531
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: does mean violence.

532
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: He attacks Deirdra, Yeah, he chokes her.

533
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: And then we see this fight with Cassium, which in

534
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: my opinion, should have been a one sided fight that

535
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 2: Cassian immediately won, but instead the first thirty forty seconds

536
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: Cyril is fucking smacking his head against the ground.

537
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 4: He is like going for his eyes.

538
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: Like to Cyril, I think in that moment he is

539
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: blaming Cassian for everything if he hadn't I had this

540
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: very comfortable happen.

541
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had this very comfortable job with the Bureau

542
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: of Standards, and then I got involved with hunting for you,

543
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: and now I'm here isolated and everybody hates me and

544
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: heat and he explodes. He gets a drop on Cassi

545
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: and gets his rifle. He's about to shoot him. Cassian

546
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: is like, who the fuck are Like, Cassie doesn't even

547
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: know who the fuck are you? And then Papa Rylance

548
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: pops Cyril's rat head off.

549
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: Boom, just straight off, just shout it up like boom.

550
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: People are streaming away from the square. Now it's it's

551
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: it's just a blood bath in there and.

552
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: At least some people getting trampled on her. The last

553
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: case scenario.

554
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: Wilman and Cassian managed to find each other and they're like,

555
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: we gotta we have to leave now. And Woman's like,

556
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: I can't you know my girlfriend is here, Like I

557
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: don't know where she is. She's right now on the

558
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: radio actually calling through any open channel that she can

559
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: find across the gallaxy and tell people like we're being slaughtered.

560
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: We're on Gorman, We're being slaughtered. The Empire is killing us. Now,

561
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: there's bodies on the ground like help us. Meanwhile, the

562
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: k Ex droids are rampaging and they and they start

563
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: rampaging towards Woman and Cassian. They stand and fight. They're like, well,

564
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna die, but we got to shoot at this

565
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: thing so it doesn't kill the unarmed people. And just

566
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: as it's about to kill Cassian and Willman, it gets

567
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: run over in a by a transport driven by one

568
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: of the members of the front sam I believe. Yeah.

569
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: Cassian then gets a big idea like, Okay, we've got

570
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: to flee the planet, but use the you know, use

571
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: the tools of the beast to attack the beast. Maybe

572
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: we can get some value at at this k xtroid.

573
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 3: I mean, bring me that joid.

574
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: So I think that if you're wondering when we're gonna

575
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: meet K two S. So here he is, baby, this

576
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: is pre pre unbrainwashing k K two S.

577
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: So meanwhile, Deirdre is Deirdre's like hand is like shaking,

578
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: She's upset, and it's like, okay, bitch, what do you think?

579
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, what do you mean she's having a panic attack.

580
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, babe, you literally.

581
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: Have been like foaming at the mouth for this massacre.

582
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: Like live it up, enjoy it, because like what the.

583
00:32:52,760 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: Fuck imperial propaganda, you know whatever. Whoever hears Drina's message,

584
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: they are vastly outnumbered by the people who are being

585
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: poisoned by the imperial propaganda that I that this was a.

586
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: Terrorist interrorist against the empire. They killed all these innocent people.

587
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: Are the heroes? Are imperial heroes have fallen again?

588
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: You know, as as we've said throughout this series, definitely

589
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: no real life allegories, this is all fictional. Doesn't doesn't

590
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: feel particularly relevant right now, Tony, Tony go, we thought

591
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: the tone zone the turns we're in it.

592
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: Uh, And Edie back on Coruson is watching this and

593
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: she's like weeping, not knowing that her rat son has died.

594
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: But what but worried that.

595
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: The Rats scene made pretty sure, Like I think she's

596
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: feeling it in the fourth Uh, let's know.

597
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: I told him he should go there.

598
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: Liz is tak a quick reak and we'll come back

599
00:33:52,560 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: with the episode Episode nine. Things are coming to a

600
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: head now. The Gorman massacre has happened. The news is

601
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: rippling across the galaxy en Coruscant Senator Senator Orrin of

602
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: Gorman is arrested on zero charges just because it's a

603
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: due process, no due process. He's being taken away. He's

604
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: screaming at at all these people who are just watching

605
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: it happen, like you're you realize, like you're next, your next.

606
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, he's like, if you don't do anything

607
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: like this will happen to you. Yes, if one person

608
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: doesn't have due process and doesn't have.

609
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 4: Rights, then none of you do.

610
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: Man and Bail, in hushed tones, are talking about this.

611
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: They are shocked at the Empire would stoop to this level.

612
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: Mon is insistent, like I'm going to take the floor

613
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: and I'm going to speak out about it.

614
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 2: Dude, I got to say this is really funny because like,

615
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: this is such an important moment and this episode is

616
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: so great, but these two are both so fine that

617
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: whenever they talk together, I'm just like, wow, that's so hot.

618
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, Bail Logan, this is like you guys have.

619
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: Who I completely agree. This is a this is a

620
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: this is a this is a this is a detour.

621
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: But I think one of the wonderful and weird surprises

622
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: of like Rogue one to and or season one to

623
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: and Season too is the my developing feelings for Mon Mathma,

624
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: who I just find wonderful. Mon call me anyway. So uh,

625
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm gonna take the floor and be like

626
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: they're never gonna fucking let you. But implicit in all

627
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: of this is I think something really important which Mon recognizes,

628
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: and that is as vile and powerful as the Empire

629
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: seems right now, they've made a grievous error in doing this.

630
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: They've made a can't pretend this is.

631
00:35:59,360 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: So.

632
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: Mon says, Okay, I'm gonna speak out, but then we

633
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: need to flee you and I Bail, we need to

634
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: get out of here, and Bail's like, I can't because

635
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 1: reasons I can't tell you about Akam harboring Darth Vader's daughter,

636
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: which nobody do.

637
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to rewatch everyone.

638
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: Now.

639
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: I love that version of Leah so much fantastic, So.

640
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: I so I and it's not. Mon feels betrayed, and

641
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: he's like, listen, this isn't me chickening out. This isn't

642
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: like there's something else, is it betrayal? This is okay,

643
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: I can't tell you about it, but it's a real thing.

644
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: And also the rebellion isn't quite ready to really step

645
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: out into the light, but they do need your leadership.

646
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna stay behind and you go. And she's like,

647
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a hostage. They're just gonna use you,

648
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: and and you're gonna be a prisoner and probably be executed.

649
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: And he says like, don't worry, I've made arrangements for

650
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: you to leave. Right after you make your speech, Clia

651
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: tells Cassian who that you're going to stay under your

652
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 1: mid rim Uh news cover and you're going to be

653
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: covering events in the Senate as the Senate response to

654
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: the what I don't know what the Imperial is called

655
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: the Gorman Mascaret, but they probably call it like the

656
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: Gorman Insurrection and the Gorman the Gorman Attack or something. Uh.

657
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: Cassian says, listen after this, I'm done. I'm not this

658
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: man's always done, by the way, You're not done, You're

659
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: not dumb.

660
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

661
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 4: I wish you could be done, but it ain't true.

662
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: And Claia, who I've love, is increasingly like, but what

663
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: does that mean? Your feelings got hurt? Like you're tired,

664
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: You're tired. I'm so fucking sorry for you. Do you

665
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: not like understand what we're doing here?

666
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: And she gives people.

667
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,240
Speaker 1: And Cassian is like, listen, Luthen will know what I'm mean.

668
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: And Clay gives him more shit, and she's like, listen, man,

669
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: Matha is about to risk her life to make the

670
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: most important speech in galactic history, and you're gonna save

671
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: her life, okay? And you want out? And he's like,

672
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: I just I need to start making my own decisions, okay,

673
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: whatever that means. Erskine. In man Mathma's office finds a bug,

674
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: which is very concerning. She smashes it. Also like the

675
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: Imperial bugs are like the size of like an asthma

676
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: so huge.

677
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: There's a day like a chunky brick Nokia, like a

678
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: Nokia three ten or something. I love when she smashed

679
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: it too, but I also I love to fury. But

680
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: also I'm like, Mon, you should have known to just

681
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: keep the bug that and only talk about things that

682
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: lead them in the wrong way.

683
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: That's the what you really do.

684
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 4: And there's a bug, come on.

685
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: So the ICP is now flag Mon because they immediately

686
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: lose the bug and they're like, uh oh. Mon tells

687
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: her Skin keep looking for bugs. I'm gonna go outside

688
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: and practice my speech. Luthen, which feels like a very

689
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: dangerous move, meets her there and he tells her, listen, Mon,

690
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: I have something important to tell you. Erskin works for me.

691
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: I recruited him at the wedding. He's been protecting you,

692
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: but he couldn't tell you that he works for me.

693
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: And Man is upset now, and she's you know, we

694
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: saw the isolation of Cyril, and now you see Mon

695
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: on the edge. She's about to take this incredible step

696
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: into that's at once incredibly courageous and will open her

697
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: up to all sorts of like dangerous reprisals and the

698
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: people who have been supporting her, have been working with her,

699
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: have also been hiding things from her. So she feels

700
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 1: she's very, very vulnerable and bewildered. Right now, Lusen tells

701
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: Mon that listened more distressing news for you. Baylor Ghana's

702
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: circle has been penetrated. I know why. We'll find out why. Well,

703
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: why is because Donnie told him. Lonnie knows about it

704
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: because the agent that the ISB sent to penetrate Bail's

705
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: circle works for Lonnie. Solanie had to do that, but

706
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: he immediately went and told Luthan. So whatever you do,

707
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: don't go with his people. After the speech, he tells Mon,

708
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: but you can't tell anyone, and don't even tell Bail

709
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: that you know this because this could blow up his

710
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: Lonnie source. Like whatever you do, don't you know that's

711
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: one of the most important sources that the rebels have

712
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: right now, directly to the ISB leadership. And Mon is

713
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: again she's like emotionally, she's unmoored by all these developments

714
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: in the stress and she's like, to remember, Tay take Homa,

715
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: my old boyfriend, the banker who helped us longer the money,

716
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: and then you killed him. And she's basically saying, like,

717
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: is this what it's come to, like when when someone's

718
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: not of use anymore, they're seen as a slightly a

719
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: risk without thinking about like what their other value is

720
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: like as a human, as a person, Like we just

721
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: we just cut them loose now. And she's very scared.

722
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: She says, I'm more scared of you than I am

723
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: of the Empire right now, which is a crazy thing

724
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: to say.

725
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: It's crazy, but at the same time, I get it. Yeah,

726
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: I think that stealin scars. God brings that energy to

727
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: this interaction where there is a desperation and a kind

728
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: of you can sense the horrors that he has committed

729
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: for the rebellion. And this is not the side of

730
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: Luthan that she usually sees. She usually sees like societal Luthan,

731
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: Luthan the art dealer. But now she's seeing Luthan the

732
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: man who will just shoot.

733
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 3: Someone in the head.

734
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 4: If Luthan the operator danger exactly.

735
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: And Luthen says, listen, I get it, but I'm sending

736
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: someone I trust to get you off Coruscant. He will

737
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: give you the password. I have friends everywhere. Go with him.

738
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: Do not go with bails people. Mon's driver is busy

739
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: ratting her out to the ISB and saying she's staying

740
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: late at the Senate House. She doesn't know often do this,

741
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: so the ice bat tech is like passing this report

742
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: on and this, including the fact that the bug is down,

743
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: really means that they're watching her. She goes back to

744
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 1: her office. She tells Erskine, like, you're fired. How could

745
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: you do this to me? Like, I feel betrayed about you,

746
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: and Erskine is like, well, it was the honor of

747
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: my life to serve you. And okay. Luthen meets Cassian

748
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: and clea. No one knows what Mon is going to

749
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: do now because all of these developments and the fact

750
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: that she feels betrayed by Luthen and what's she going

751
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: to do? Erskine doesn't know either. Luthen says that after

752
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: the speech, I am staying on course. I will not

753
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: be evacuated to yeah, and I still have things to

754
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: do here, important things. And Cassian is like, they're going

755
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: to find you, They're going to find you out, and

756
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: Luthen says he basically says, I know that that's the

757
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: outcome at some point, but I still have things to

758
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: do here.

759
00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it hawks back to his speech.

760
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: He knew he's never gonna survive to see the brave

761
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 2: New world. And now we are only two years away

762
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: from the Battle of Yavin, so he's gonna die soon

763
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: because he doesn't get to see that, you know, And

764
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: it's crazy.

765
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: One of the things I love about Rogue one and

766
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: and or season one and two is it shows you that, listen, Luke,

767
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: Luke took the ball in on the five yard line

768
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: and ran it into the end zone right, and it

769
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: was very important. We all love Luke Skywalker for everything

770
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: he did for the rebellion, but there were a million

771
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: different other little interactions with little things that needed to

772
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: happen to get Luke to that moment. And I love

773
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: how this all comes from mon Mathma's original. You know,

774
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: many Bothams died to get us this information.

775
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: I think it's one of the most interesting. And sorry

776
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: to super producer Aaron, I do love Rogue one and

777
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: the discord. That has been a great topic of conversation.

778
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: So we're loving you guys, are loving your wrong friend.

779
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: But the truth is that I think Tony Gilroy with

780
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: Roguwan I'm with these series makes this unbelievable statement about

781
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: the reality of like who gets celebrated after a war,

782
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: who gets celebrated when evil is taken down.

783
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: That's such a good point and that's a big part

784
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: of the end of this episode. I can't wait to

785
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: talk about that. So the Senate House is filling up.

786
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: Cassion comes in as his reporter I D. They're like, well,

787
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: we no one your your outlet didn't check you in,

788
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: but fine, Like you're just gonna have to float around.

789
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: We don't have a spot. Yeah. Meanwhile, Organa's folks are

790
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: prepping their plan to whisk her away, and we don't

791
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: know which one of them is the ISB agent. The

792
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: ISB now knows that they've gotten information that certain senators

793
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: may try to speak out about Gorman, but the ISB

794
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: chief on site is not too worry about it. He's like, well,

795
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: they've been ordered, the speaker's been ordered not to let

796
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: it speak, so's don't worry about it. Bail tells Mom, Hey,

797
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: my team is ready leave with them the moment you're

798
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: done speaking Gate nine.

799
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 4: She is.

800
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: She doesn't say anything about what Luthen told her, but

801
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: she's like, do you trust them? And she's like, yeah, totally.

802
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: And she's like, do you know them, and she's and

803
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: he's like, no, not personally.

804
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: So this is in that case a Luthan's guy. Luthen

805
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: doesn't trust many people. So if he says he trusts

806
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: this guy going Luthen.

807
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: In the Senate, how speaker after speaker after speaker is like,

808
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: Gorman is bad, Gorman is bad, Gorman is bad? Are

809
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: imperial heroes? They gave their life blah blah blah blah blah.

810
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, on they're on the fucking ticket.

811
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 4: Now they're just on the mail ticket saying all the

812
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 4: lies that they want to say because they're scared.

813
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: But they are still complicit. Some of them are scared

814
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: and complicit. Some of them truly believe it, and some of.

815
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: Them, some of them are probably getting money.

816
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: Yes. Meanwhile, the IB agent in Bail's group is revealed.

817
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: As they are they're gathering their weapons from their hit

818
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: is spy may he starts making a call to like

819
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: isb headquarters? And so yeah, I'm with him. And then

820
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: one of the one of Bail's people's like what was that?

821
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: What are you? And so she has to kill him.

822
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 4: She should have just been like, oh, it's the rebellion. Yeah,

823
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 4: oh it's bail ogana.

824
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: Like come on, meanwhile, bail uses some uh it uses

825
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: like Decree A seventeen twenty five which the Emperor himself

826
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: put in, which allows a senior senator to speak in

827
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: a time of crisis, and that is manman the isb

828
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: is like su shut the feet down, like shut it

829
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: down before she could speak, So they're trying to do that.

830
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: And Mom makes her speech in which she lays bare

831
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: all the lies about Gorman and how and she lay

832
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: she's like building to this incredible climax while and basically

833
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: lays it all at the feet of the empire. The

834
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil, she says,

835
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: And like who is the great evil behind them? The

836
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: monster screaming the loudest, the monster we helped create as

837
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: Emperor Palpatine. And she says, this is like the feet

838
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: is about to be about to be cut.

839
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 2: And yeah, well, let's talk about how it was how

840
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: she was able to speak for that long, because you

841
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: made some great points about the gumming up the machine kind.

842
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: Of well, I think it's like such it's one of

843
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: the most vital points I think about this show, about

844
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: how regular people can use whatever power they have and so,

845
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: and contrasting that with the life of the rat Cirrial.

846
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: There's those two workers at the Senate House who are

847
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: just like whatever, low level like workers. They have the

848
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: keys to the room where the broadcast hardware is, and

849
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: they're the Empire is trying to get in there to

850
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: like shut the feet off, and they're just like, well,

851
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: we don't we we did our job. We gave the

852
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: key to this person, so we eat the door. We fit, yeah,

853
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: and so we can't open it. We don't know where

854
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: the keys are. Sorry, And it's clear that they are,

855
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 1: you know, in some unspoken way, collaborating with each other

856
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: to do this. They give each other a very knowing look.

857
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: And I think it's one of the it's this moment

858
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: the clerk at the hotel. These are like very important

859
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: things to to acknowledge that the rebellion wasn't just the

860
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: Luke or the pilots and the X wings. It was

861
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: like all these little people or even also just normal

862
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: people doing everything.

863
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: And that's why people they heat the Imperial kind of

864
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: like you know, servant whatever. This guy is, this low

865
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 2: level guy. He only manages to shut one's speech off

866
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,479
Speaker 2: after she's called said the whole sk and she said

867
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: it was Emperor Palpatine and then he cuts the feet off.

868
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: So without those two women, that speech would never have

869
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: been able to happen. And I think, yeah, that's this.

870
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: These little moments just totally moved me.

871
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: It was very episode.

872
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: I thought it was. It's very powerful, and it's something

873
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: for people to realize. It's like you, you can do

874
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: something you and if it's small things. Cassian makes contact

875
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: with Mon right as she's coming off the floor, and

876
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: Mon's like, you know, she doesn't know who he is,

877
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: and she's reeling. She realizes now that this is the

878
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: end for her, this is the end of her career

879
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: as a senator, that might be the end of her life,

880
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: and she doesn't know who this person is. He gives

881
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: her the password. I have friends everywhere, and you know,

882
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: Cassian is insistent. He's like, the Ice B's ordered your

883
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: arrest and we need to go. And I know what,

884
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: Luthen is a fucking asshole, but he's right, and I'm

885
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: here to protect you. They get to the bottom of

886
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: the elevator, reporters are swarming Mon. The ISB agent in

887
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: Bails group, who's now basically the point person pretending to

888
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: be bail Or. Ghana's person comes and she kind of

889
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: blows it right away. She pulls her gun out. It's like,

890
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: isb You're under arrest. Cassian shoots her, and Cassian whisks

891
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: man away and as Erskine is like, I'll stay back

892
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: and I'll buy time, and it's a crazy chase. The

893
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: building is being locked down. The icebe learns that their

894
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: agent is down, and this is where we learned that

895
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: that agent was one of Lonnie's. So again, how this

896
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: is how Luthan knew about it.

897
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: Good job, Lonnie, because you obviously sent an incompetent person.

898
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: Lonnie's doing competent.

899
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: She blew it, Lonnie. I think your family's going to

900
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: be okay. I know Luthen was, you know, threatening them.

901
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 2: He's that must suck. But you did a good.

902
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: Job Himnie is Lannie is really really doing great. The

903
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: life of you know, a reverse rat whatever the reverse

904
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: version of the serial is Cassian kills Bond's driver because

905
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: he look, he does I will.

906
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 2: Say, look, I'll give Cassian a little bit of prop

907
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: so yeah, because he basically does try and like he's

908
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: like how far can we get? Like will he play

909
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: the game? Because he's like, oh, we found her, let's

910
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 2: get her safely away and the driver immediately is.

911
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: Like who are you.

912
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: So Cassie is like, shit, just got to shoot you

913
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: in the head. He's like, you could have played the

914
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 2: game man, So they speed away long.

915
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: Mon is obviously like terrified.

916
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: She's starting to see the real rebellion. Yes, this is

917
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: the the rebellion.

918
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: So on Yavin Bell begins her training of the recruits

919
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: and we see that one of them is Melchi, who

920
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: is going to be one of the marines who dies

921
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: with all of the other rebels on Scariff. Yeah. Cassian

922
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: brings Mon to the safe house, the Corussant safe house,

923
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: when Erskine and Clay are there. He goes back to

924
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: see Will, who was injured back on Gorman and he's

925
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,479
Speaker 1: there with Drina and Will is in bad shape. Clay

926
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: tells Mon that Lusen is safe, so the network is

927
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: fine for now. Mon says to Cassian like, how do

928
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: I thank you? And he just says, make it worth it.

929
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: Cassian gets Drina and Will to Yavin and updates Draven

930
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: about everything that happened, and then Draven tells Cassian this

931
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: is really important because he also he brought Man in,

932
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: I assume. But but you said about how important messaging

933
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: is and how important it is for the rebellion to

934
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: step out into the light and the right way, And

935
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: so the cover story for what actually happened is going

936
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: to be that gold Squadron of the Rebellion delivered Man

937
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: to Yavin and rescued her, not that this ragtag spy

938
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: never didn't know. This is how we're going to announce

939
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: to the galaxy that the rebellion is a real thing

940
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: and we're capable of being an antidote and an answer

941
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: to the Empire.

942
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: And if you were like inspired by Mon's speech, then

943
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: be on the side of the rebellion, because that's the

944
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: side she is on.

945
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: I thought this was such an important thing to put

946
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: in because at the same time as Man is saying

947
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: we have to call out the lies when we see them,

948
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: when we know their lives, the Rebellion is also saying,

949
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: in a kind of pragmatic way, listen, this isn't true

950
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: the way Man was rescued. But in order to show

951
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: people that were strong enough to do this, we need

952
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: to tell this lie. And yeah, it's an important thing

953
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: to think about because I don't know that it's I

954
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: think it's the right decision.

955
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: I understand why they're for the bigger yes, for the

956
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: bigger rebellion picture. But I also do think again, Tony's

957
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: making that commentary on like, who are the people who

958
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 2: don't get the recognition, Who are the people who do

959
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 2: the hard work, who are willing to do the scary things,

960
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 2: who you know, in history would only be recognized like

961
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 2: fifty years later and someone found some journal about them

962
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: or something. And I think it's interesting that he's keeping

963
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: that fucking real.

964
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: I think it's it's very real. And so Draven is like, listen, Mon,

965
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: the story is going to be gold Squadron rescuer, and

966
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: then Man is going to make another speech that will

967
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: bring the galaxy to our side. And so it's basically

968
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: Draven saying, hey, I recognize what you did, Cassian, but

969
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: it's never going to be part of the main narrative. Ever.

970
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: Cassian goes home to Bix and tells Bix like, that's it.

971
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm done, I'm not doing this anymore.

972
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 2: Which, honestly, fab because he did the big thing today.

973
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 3: He's done so much in his.

974
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 2: Life and today he did the thing and he saved

975
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 2: Mon and if I was Bix and I was Cassian,

976
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 2: I too would say it's done.

977
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 3: I've done what I have to do.

978
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: Let me leave.

979
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: And he says, let's just find like whatever quiet corner

980
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: of the galaxy there still it is, and just go

981
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: there and be done with it. You know. He's like,

982
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: I've rolled the dice so many times and I feel

983
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: like my luck is run out, Like I can't keep

984
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: rolling the dice, and nothing is worth more than this,

985
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: he says, which is like their relationship together. But when

986
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: he wakes up, Bix is gone. She leaves him a

987
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: video message basically saying, you're too important to the rebellion

988
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: the force healers feel it that you're going to play

989
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: a crucial role in defeating the Empire, and I can't

990
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: be the reason that you stop doing it. So I

991
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: have to go away from you until the fight is done,

992
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: and then we'll be together. It's heartbreaking. Cassian runs to

993
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: the landing paths, but she's gone, Gone, gone. And later

994
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: Cassian watches as the rebel engineers are rebooting the hypothetically

995
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: reprogrammed k extry. Nobody knows if it's going to work right,

996
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: and they turn it on and it's ky and we

997
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 1: realize that it's K two s O born or reborn

998
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: in this in this moment.

999
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: And we get the great Allentic voice as yes, wonderful

1000
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: Cassium with this gun pointed at KOs two K two

1001
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 2: s O and Alentini's voice. Sorry if I offended you

1002
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 2: in some way, But could I ask that you lower

1003
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 2: your gun? And and you know sure has and has

1004
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: Cassian lost Bix? Yes, but does he now have his

1005
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: other forever part and a K twos so orso?

1006
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: Yes?

1007
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 2: So we can that can warm our hearts as we

1008
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: cry for Cassian and his love that he will never

1009
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 2: see again. Jason, Yes, what about this episode?

1010
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: Has you been I mean all of these, this tranch

1011
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: of episodes, this chapter is just incredible. It's like it's

1012
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: I think, take it all together, seasons one and two.

1013
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: This the recency bias, I'm calling it out. Yeah, this

1014
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: could be objectively the best Star Wars.

1015
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. I've ever I see I

1016
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 3: think so too.

1017
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: I think it understands what George Lucas loved about Star Wars.

1018
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: I think it understands the way that politics shapes the

1019
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: world of Star Wars and often is more impactful than

1020
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 2: somebody with the lightsaber. I think the cast is unbelievable.

1021
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: And while those three, the three episodes set on the

1022
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 2: prison in and Or season one, are probably my favorite

1023
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: Star Wars ever. But I think consistency wise, I think

1024
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: the quality and kind of themes and writing and production

1025
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: on this season, I think it might be edging out

1026
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,479
Speaker 2: season one quality. I think, like, I think it's better

1027
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 2: season one, which is crazy, it doesn't exist without season one,

1028
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: and we love season one, but I would yeah, I'm

1029
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: We've got three episodes left, which we're going to be

1030
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, next week. But for me, I

1031
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: just I think it's it's there, man, Like every episode

1032
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: is better, and every emotional beat hits at this point,

1033
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: and it's just even like, look, this is not the

1034
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,959
Speaker 2: kind of show where people are like looking for Easter

1035
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: eggs or a deeply excited by came.

1036
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and when mel she showed up, it may my

1037
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 4: heart like jumped.

1038
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 3: That was And I also.

1039
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: Joelle put this in the question, and I think put

1040
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: this in the chat, and I think this is a

1041
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: good point. Is this version of and Or does it

1042
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: feel better because of the release schedule.

1043
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 3: I think the answer is yes.

1044
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: I think so.

1045
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: I think they'd have.

1046
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: Done the chapters in the arcs last time, it would

1047
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: have been way way more easily digested by the general

1048
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: viewing audience.

1049
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: I agree, and I think it listen Obviously, it's also

1050
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: meeting the moment in a in a wider societal sense,

1051
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: and it's the chapter kind of release schedule, which you know,

1052
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: I think is at least partially driven by the fact that, again,

1053
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: this is like a very low rated show, uh just.

1054
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: On pure when it comes to how many people watch

1055
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: this obviously very critically acclaimed, but.

1056
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: I think that it also you know, it feels like

1057
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: it feels like a tale, Like I kept thinking this

1058
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: must have been what it was like to read A

1059
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: Tale of Two Cities when it was coming out in

1060
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: serial form, Like you're absolutely, it's incredible drama, it's incredible

1061
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: social commentary. It feels of the moment, and uh, it's

1062
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: it's incredible. It's just so jaw droppingly outrageously good, with

1063
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: so much to think about in there.

1064
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the chapters make the themes incredibly clear.

1065
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: I think there is like a clarity to each chapter

1066
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: essentially being about something else and not just narratively but

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Speaker 2: also thematically, like the theme of truth and having an

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Speaker 2: that kind.

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Speaker 4: Of Awwellian.

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Speaker 2: Reality that we're living through. That is what this chunk

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Speaker 2: of episodes is about. And I think that when you

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Speaker 2: break them up like this, it's giving the audience a

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Speaker 2: chance to digest them and to really live in the

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Speaker 2: themes and the story in a way that when you're

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Speaker 1: I also think that there's you know, something I've been

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Speaker 1: thinking a lot about is like it there's something in

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Speaker 1: this series about like, okay, but what does it mean?

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Speaker 1: You know something you and I have talked about We've

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Speaker 1: talked about off mic is you know, in the in

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Speaker 1: the in the age of some of our recent protests,

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Speaker 1: or in the age of rhetoric against whatever's going on

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Speaker 1: in the world, Like what is it through the lens

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Speaker 1: of this show? What does it mean to have your

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Speaker 1: rhetoric match your action? And I love the way and

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Speaker 1: we talked about a bunch through these episodes, but I

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Speaker 1: just love the way this show highlights the bravery of

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Speaker 1: just like normal people who are trying to do whatever

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Speaker 1: they can.

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Speaker 2: I love the way you put it to gumming up

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Speaker 2: the machine. And I think that's a lesson that all

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Speaker 2: of us can take, Like, how can you gum up

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Speaker 2: the machine?

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Speaker 1: Of how can you come up the machine?

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Speaker 2: How can you gum up the machine that is hurting

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Speaker 2: your neighbors and your friends, Like, take that from this

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Speaker 2: It's like those are the real heroes.

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Speaker 1: And how can you do it when you don't control

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Speaker 1: the economy, you don't control the media, you don't control

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Speaker 1: any of the sources of power in this world, and

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Speaker 1: you're seeing people in this world take agency in any

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Speaker 1: way they can. I think it's an extremely powerful message.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see where this show takes us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: on the next episodes of Extra Vision, we are returning

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Speaker 1: to and Or for our roundtable for an even deeper

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Speaker 1: dive to continue talking about the really fascinating themes and

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Speaker 1: all the things that are coming up as we're watching

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Speaker 1: the show. And then next week, of course, we have

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Speaker 1: more last of Us and we're gonna be covering the

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Speaker 1: last three episodes of and Or. So that's it for

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Speaker 1: this episode. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 3: Bye.

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Speaker 1: Xtra Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion. I'm Rosie Night

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Speaker 1: and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Faye Wag.

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Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kauffman.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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Speaker 2: Heidi our discord moderator.