Speaker 1: Hey, this is Kyle Stowers and you're listening to Fish
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Speaker 2: Welcome to our Fish on First Live Trade Deadline special.
Speaker 2: We're counting down to the deadline. We're taking you through
Speaker 2: and we're reacting to what the Marlins do once the
Speaker 2: dust settles. They've already done some stuff for us to
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Speaker 2: full house, I think one more than a full house
Speaker 2: of lous is five. We got six to start this off.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a beautiful mess. Kevin Barrell, Jeremiah Geiger,
Speaker 2: Isaaca Zoo, Sean Miller, Nate Krsmer. I'm glad that Nate
Speaker 2: was able to come off the il fresh off of
Speaker 2: wisdom tooth removal surgery. So that's good timing there. And
Speaker 2: I am Eli Sesman As I said again, Uh, we're
Speaker 2: gonna dive right into what the Marlins have done so
Speaker 2: far and what this could still do in this hour
Speaker 2: until the deadline. So two significant trade Yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: I'll call them both significant trades for this Marlins team. Uh,
Speaker 2: both that we're I guess expected in terms of the
Speaker 2: players that removed from the Marlins, and we didn't have
Speaker 2: a great idea in terms of what these players were worth,
Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden we do. We'll start
Speaker 2: with Liam Hicks. We've talked about Liam Hicks, I think
Speaker 2: on every single show these last couple of weeks, just
Speaker 2: because he was a prototypical trade candidate for this Marlins team,
Speaker 2: as a guy that has been squeezed kind of out
Speaker 2: of position for this Marlins team but still such a
Speaker 2: good hitter that he had a lot of value across
Speaker 2: the league. Ends up going to the Tampa Bay Rays.
Speaker 2: These teams have been frequent trade partners in recent years.
Speaker 2: A trio of prospects coming back and Brayden Taylor, Adrian
Speaker 2: Santana and Jacob Kissing Taylor and Santana being infielders, Kissing
Speaker 2: being a right handed pitcher. We'll start off with Kevin.
Speaker 2: You know, Kevin, we talked a lot about Hicks, you
Speaker 2: and I, and you accurately predicted him to get traded.
Speaker 2: The Rays of in the team that have been connected
Speaker 2: to the Marlins specifically on Hicks leaving uins to this deadline.
Speaker 2: So what do you think about the return just to start.
Speaker 3: There, for a little underwhelming for for someone like Hicks
Speaker 3: who had that much of that much control remaining, and
Speaker 3: for what the market was like for a catcher. The
Speaker 3: only other catcher notable one that's been moved really is
Speaker 3: is Rutchman. Before that, it was Ohppy, I guess most
Speaker 3: recently Joey BArch just went to the White Sox so
Speaker 3: but at the end of the day, you got three prospects,
Speaker 3: two of them on the younger side, who you know,
Speaker 3: Kissing seems pretty solid in terms of what at least
Speaker 3: the numbers. And then Santana's on the young grand as well.
Speaker 3: He's looked good so far in High A. Had to
Speaker 3: play some rehab games at the Complex League I saw,
Speaker 3: so there's some sort of he had some sort of
Speaker 3: injury this season. Then Taylor is an interesting one. I know,
Speaker 3: we're not a lot of us weren't very thrilled when
Speaker 3: that name went through, But yeah, at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, you know what, the Marlins did what they
Speaker 3: had to do. I think this is the right move
Speaker 3: to trade Hicks. They it was just a clog at
Speaker 3: that d H spot with Also, you look at the
Speaker 3: major league roster, the guys that were there, they still
Speaker 3: believe in Gus. I'm assuming he'll get recalled if I
Speaker 3: had to assume, So yeah, fine, return Bradon. Taylor's an
Speaker 3: interesting the headliner of the trade obviously, but you know,
Speaker 3: I could see him getting promoted to Triple A. He's
Speaker 3: been good at Double A. He's repeating the level. Let's
Speaker 3: see what you got right at this point. If the
Speaker 3: Marlins have been very big on being aggressive in terms
Speaker 3: of promotions, I could see him getting promoted to the
Speaker 3: Triple A. That's that's what they would have to do.
Speaker 3: Oh boy.
Speaker 2: But yeah, a whole lot of opinions coming in on
Speaker 2: the chat. Thank you immediately for everybody that's joining us
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Speaker 2: good crowd in there. We'll see all your comments and
Speaker 2: uh yeah, a lot of mixed opinions that I think,
Speaker 2: as you kind of identified there, it comes down to
Speaker 2: how you feel about Taylor. Because using as one reference point,
Speaker 2: Baseball America, it has none of these guys ranked as
Speaker 2: one of the raised top thirty prospects. And you go
Speaker 2: to pipeline and all three of them I believe cracked
Speaker 2: the top thirty list, with Taylor kind of right in
Speaker 2: the middle there. Taylor was. Fangrafts was the high outlet
Speaker 2: on Taylor. I think at one point last year he
Speaker 2: had them, he had them number three in the entire
Speaker 2: race system, and that even now still relatively high up
Speaker 2: there at their update when it came to earlier this year.
Speaker 2: Now a look to Nate. Haven't heard from nad in
Speaker 2: a while coming off of his procedure. So yes, specifically
Speaker 2: on Taylor, this is a guy. What do you make
Speaker 2: of him? The fact that his numbers had been awesome
Speaker 2: this year? As Kevin noted, it's just it's repeating a
Speaker 2: level though that he got his ass kicked frankly at
Speaker 2: the double A level last year. So what do we
Speaker 2: make of that? Trying to, you know, decipher those factors
Speaker 2: where he's doing well. But how much can we really
Speaker 2: take those numbers at face value just given the fact
Speaker 2: that he had he went through this challenge the previous
Speaker 2: year and frankly failed at it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was first announced, I was like, is
Speaker 4: this really going to be the headliner for a guy
Speaker 4: like Liam Mitz? I was pretty unsure and then it
Speaker 4: comes in. So, uh yeah, Brent Taylor, I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 4: not too high on the guy, former first round pick.
Speaker 4: Obviously tore it up at TCU back in college.
Speaker 1: But when you're in Double.
Speaker 4: A for the third year in a row after dating,
Speaker 4: like you said, you a pretty much dominated all of
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five lists, I'm not you know, lose that
Speaker 4: on complete oak for the guy.
Speaker 1: But I said it earlier.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is no offense at Bram Paully, but
Speaker 4: I mean it's the floor and ceiling. It's kind of
Speaker 4: similar to what brand PAULI gives you already, maybe a
Speaker 4: little bit more pop, and he doesn't when you're repeating
Speaker 4: a level, uh your third year as a pro coming
Speaker 4: our college double A level and also a guy that's
Speaker 4: gonna be Rule five eligible after after the season. So
Speaker 4: if he doesn't show you much at this point, I
Speaker 4: mean that they're probably don't protect him anyway up after
Speaker 4: you getting him as a headliner in this hits deal.
Speaker 4: But disappointed, but at the same time, you know, uh,
Speaker 4: if that's if this is the best deal that Peter
Speaker 4: bennan Stott and they don't really believe in hips to
Speaker 4: move his value up after the season or throughout step
Speaker 4: and half of the year. Obviously his power has some
Speaker 4: down a little bit. I believe only has what three
Speaker 4: homers since June and a lot of the numbers underneath
Speaker 4: the hood and what that would either. So I trust
Speaker 4: bend Its. If this is the time the deal, I'm
Speaker 4: do it now. But I would probably prefer to see
Speaker 4: a little bit of quality over quantity in this context
Speaker 4: because all three of these guys and idro off the
Speaker 4: site like Baseball America, especially after the fan drafts tragedy
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty five, having Nathan Marrell a top five
Speaker 4: in the Marlin system, that kind of destroyed them for me.
Speaker 4: So not to please, but I think after the Braxton
Speaker 4: trades one for one on the day and I'll have
Speaker 4: to wait for the next hour.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Sana and you long for Santanna, don't forget
Speaker 3: top five process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Fangres has had. They just have a very unorthodox
Speaker 2: way of ranking prospects. Where I've said this before, I
Speaker 2: really value their scouting reports. I do feel like they
Speaker 2: come up with details about these players that are notable
Speaker 2: that we should keep in minds when falling is just
Speaker 2: the way that they actually prioritize them and come up
Speaker 2: with future value has always been out of sync with
Speaker 2: how it seems the rest of the industry and how
Speaker 2: might myself personally actually values these players. So I don't
Speaker 2: pay too much attention to those rankings, but they do
Speaker 2: find interesting nuggets about these guys. Isaac, you have reported
Speaker 2: that with Hicks gone, it was almost an either or
Speaker 2: with him and Stowars, for example, and that the fact
Speaker 2: that they were able to find a deal that it
Speaker 2: found suitable for X means that Stowars is saying, can
Speaker 2: you take us through quickly how serious you thought it
Speaker 2: was that they might actually move stours and just elaborate
Speaker 2: on the fact that why it is that he's now
Speaker 2: they feel like it's more important to keep him around.
Speaker 2: So now they've thinned out their left handed hitter pool
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 5: And even after doing that, they have so many left
Speaker 5: handed bats still in the major league roster and ready
Speaker 5: to contribute as soon as next year. But with star Wars,
Speaker 5: I was told that I was told yesterday that it
Speaker 5: was highly highly too highly unlikely unlikely that they would
Speaker 5: trade both Hicks and star Wars, And I always felt
Speaker 5: we always we all did. We always felt that it
Speaker 5: made more sense to deal Hicks at this very at
Speaker 5: this moment in time, rather than Stours. So once we
Speaker 5: saw the Hicks trade go through, he just knew that,
Speaker 5: you know, the Actioners were going to pivot somewhere else,
Speaker 5: and they did.
Speaker 2: They went to go get the multi.
Speaker 1: Far show, and you know, it would be a tough look.
Speaker 5: I think it'd be an easier decision to make if
Speaker 5: they were fifteen games under or something, but they are
Speaker 5: still in this playoff race, and to deal, you know,
Speaker 5: two big pieces of your offense, it would be a
Speaker 5: tough look for both PR and the Major League Baseball
Speaker 5: side of things. So I think I like that the
Speaker 5: way they went around things about things with the trade
Speaker 5: off Hicks and with Stoars. That doesn't mean that he
Speaker 5: won't get traded in the off season. They really do.
Speaker 5: Like all their opertives that they have at Pensacola. They
Speaker 5: think Cam is ready as of next year. They think
Speaker 5: he's a top one hundred prospect. But I didn't think
Speaker 5: it made a lot of sense of deal stars in
Speaker 5: right now, and I'm glad they didn't. But yeah, I
Speaker 5: know it was never going to be both of them.
Speaker 5: Now what's coming next is whether they trade a couple
Speaker 5: of relievers or not. We saw they traded Brackson'll get
Speaker 5: to that later, but yeah, it was always gonna be
Speaker 5: one or the other. And I guess, like you guys
Speaker 5: mentioned Star Wars is going to probably command a better return,
Speaker 5: and I sort of a little bit agree with Nate
Speaker 5: that it was a bit of an underwhelming return for Hicks,
Speaker 5: as the Marlins announced that bit earlier today with a
Speaker 5: Rob Rasmussen graphic rather than the correct players that initially, which.
Speaker 1: Was pretty funny. But yes, it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 5: Fifty forty nine minutes left until the deadline, which you'll
Speaker 5: see what happens.
Speaker 2: I'll go to Sean, now, you did have an article
Speaker 2: that's won't put it out right after the deadline about
Speaker 2: just what the Marlins should do and shouldn't do at
Speaker 2: the deadline in order to with respect to how they're
Speaker 2: been competitive this season and how I think the win
Speaker 2: that you were kind of looking at it is that
Speaker 2: Liam Hicks would be like threading that needle where he
Speaker 2: was a guy that potentially could be expendable and yet
Speaker 2: you can still as long as it kept all the
Speaker 2: other offensive pieces, starting pitchers, other core guys around him
Speaker 2: that still feel pretty good about where they are. So
Speaker 2: the dust hasn't settled yet. Maybe they do make a
Speaker 2: pivot at the last moment that throws everybody off, and
Speaker 2: that's actually is a big detriment to their competitive chances.
Speaker 2: But would you say that, even though they've pipped them
Speaker 2: for guys that aren't going to help the Marlins this year,
Speaker 2: does that appropriately strike that balance between, you know, preparing
Speaker 2: for the future and still leaving them enough behind to
Speaker 2: stay in this wild card race, where as a reminder
Speaker 2: one and a half games back of a playoff spot
Speaker 2: as of this recording.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's you know again, it's right there
Speaker 6: on the line. And a big part of it for
Speaker 6: me is, you know, everything I had read going into this,
Speaker 6: or a lot of what I had read you did
Speaker 6: seem to indicate that they're kept alive, that possibility of
Speaker 6: the MLB for MLB return, that the piece coming back
Speaker 6: in a Hicks trade would be something you could see, at.
Speaker 1: Least one of the things would be something.
Speaker 6: You could see contributing towards you know, the twenty twenty
Speaker 6: six Marlins having that you know, slightly better chance of
Speaker 6: competing just in terms of you know, yeah, any warm
Speaker 6: body in the starting rotation, right and just you know
Speaker 6: something you take, you know, take some bullets, you know,
Speaker 6: take some pressure off that pen. And you know, I've
Speaker 6: seen a lot about how Hicks is that you know
Speaker 6: rule five, you know pick and then you know how
Speaker 6: great it is that they're able to cash it on them.
Speaker 6: So I mean, yeah, I view a real five pick
Speaker 6: house money and house money. That's it's kind of what
Speaker 6: you bet on black now, what you put in your
Speaker 6: four oh one k. And I would have liked to
Speaker 6: have seen you know that you know in that sense
Speaker 6: you know something you know come back in the return
Speaker 6: that again would have made immediately kind of a one
Speaker 6: to one, you know, this team feel more competitive. So
Speaker 6: I'm really hoping to before kind of deciding finally how
Speaker 6: I feel about the trade, to see what happens in
Speaker 6: the next you know, forty five minutes. What that ultimate
Speaker 6: you know, roster spot replacement is that can come through
Speaker 6: another deal. But that's the only piece off the big
Speaker 6: league roster that is moved of you know, consequence that's
Speaker 6: really helped the team get to this point. Then yeah,
Speaker 6: I think they've towed that line. They got bought some
Speaker 6: cover by the twelve game losing streak. Think amidst fans,
Speaker 6: you know, buying crazy, buying big didn't make any sense.
Speaker 6: But also you know, but buying something, you know, to help.
Speaker 6: I think what we've seen the name Nick Johnson mentioned
Speaker 6: a lot Marlin's you know, socials over the last week.
Speaker 6: The fact that was a watershed trade that a lot
Speaker 6: of fans remember because the Marlins buy so seldom in
Speaker 6: their history. Like, that's a problem. How many people remember
Speaker 6: the Nick Johnson trade. But and so, while again buying
Speaker 6: big didn't make sense, a chore and something like that
Speaker 6: in the next hour, I don't think that's out of line,
Speaker 6: and I don't think that would derail the marlins long
Speaker 6: term plan that much to get well.
Speaker 3: I hate to break it to everyone, but they're not
Speaker 3: going to buy. They are not buying. They're not adding
Speaker 3: to this roster they I think the most that will
Speaker 3: end up happening is they could trade a reliever away
Speaker 3: Fouchet Baker, whatever, one of those guys. I don't at
Speaker 3: this point, I really see. I would be stunted the
Speaker 3: trade Fairbanks. I thought that would have happened by now,
Speaker 3: if anything, but they're not buying. I hate to say
Speaker 3: it this, I think this team's fine without with what
Speaker 3: they've got right now. I mean they've held up this long.
Speaker 3: I know losing Hicks's sucks, but the way Conin has
Speaker 3: been playing Casey's back, I'm assuming Gus will help them
Speaker 3: out offensively, assuming he's the one getting recalled. I don't know,
Speaker 3: they're in a fine spot. Like I can't. They would
Speaker 3: have been terrible. I they would have traded both Hours
Speaker 3: and Hicks Outus said then like all right, that's that's it.
Speaker 3: But I think the big way to look at it
Speaker 3: is like we knew that going into this the Morrows
Speaker 3: playoff chances we're gonna drop a little bit, but then
Speaker 3: we're gonna drop to zero. And that's what they've done.
Speaker 3: And they've dropped a little bit, but they're not dropping
Speaker 3: to zero, and you know they're still in it. I mean,
Speaker 3: they could play with what they've got and I think
Speaker 3: they're in a fine spot. Will they make it unlikely,
Speaker 3: but they'll make it more interesting than they did last
Speaker 3: year too, I think mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And they're naturally people that are very understandably enough
Speaker 2: feel this way that if they're not explicitly making the
Speaker 2: team better at the deadline despite being within striking distance,
Speaker 2: and as we've covered on the show, they just are
Speaker 2: not intimidating teams ahead of them in this wild card race,
Speaker 2: Like it feels like the Marlins are within the margin
Speaker 2: of error to potentially finish just as good as a
Speaker 2: lot of teams that they're up against, whether it be
Speaker 2: the Dbacks or the Padres or especially like the Pirates,
Speaker 2: the car Ordinals are fading, the Nats have rapidly faded.
Speaker 2: That the fact that it feels like they're closed and
Speaker 2: they could make that marginallal move to get better. I
Speaker 2: understand that. On the other side, what the organization is
Speaker 2: going to echo is that they're all about one to
Speaker 2: get back to October on a very consistent basis. So
Speaker 2: the two sides of that one you can understand going
Speaker 2: to be as sustainable as possible air quotes, but you
Speaker 2: got to make it to October once before you actually
Speaker 2: make it there consistently. And the fact that they're close
Speaker 2: potentially to having a team that's good enough to do
Speaker 2: it this year and not you know, making every effort
Speaker 2: to get themselves over the hump. I can understand the
Speaker 2: frustration about that. I want to go to Jeremiah. He's
Speaker 2: been patiently waiting here about it's been alluded to. You
Speaker 2: know what exactly does that mean for the Marlins backup
Speaker 2: catching situation. I think we're going to find out relatively
Speaker 2: soon for sure. But what would you do in this spot?
Speaker 2: They've been having a three catcher set up for a
Speaker 2: while now. Between Joe Mack Hicks has caught very sparingly,
Speaker 2: Brian Navaretto has actually caught slightly more often than Hicks
Speaker 2: has in recent weeks. What do you think that? Do do
Speaker 2: you think they this is this is time to resurrect
Speaker 2: Gus and give him another shot after being down at
Speaker 2: Triple A for three plus months and send down Navretto?
Speaker 2: Or are they going to continue to carry three catchers,
Speaker 2: call up Gus and still keep Navaretto arounds a little bit?
Speaker 2: Are they going to just expand Novretto's role? Is he
Speaker 2: actually gonna play more often? Actually start once to two
Speaker 2: times a week to fill that void? What would you
Speaker 2: do in that situation? Because it's uh there, you can
Speaker 2: make the argument a couple different ways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like deja vous all over again. Right, we
Speaker 1: were talking about this last year, Marlin's in the three
Speaker 1: catcher situation, and you kind of find yourself in this
Speaker 1: exact same scenario. For me, I'm calling up Augustine Ramirez
Speaker 1: and I am giving him a shot as a hitter,
Speaker 1: and I want to emphasize hitter. I'm done with him
Speaker 1: as a catcher. I've been out on him for for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. The organization still believes he can catch, and
Speaker 1: they've been giving him opportunities at the Triple A level.
Speaker 1: It's not working. Definition of insanity is doing the same
Speaker 1: thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
Speaker 1: I felt like Hicks's time as a Marlin was kind
Speaker 1: of coming to an end. You wanted to sell high.
Speaker 1: You look at the the under the hood metrics, He's
Speaker 1: he is out performing his expected stats significantly, especially expected
Speaker 1: batting average. He doesn't hit the ball hard, not you know,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent like thrilled with the return, but I
Speaker 1: think it could have been worse. So I think Taylor's
Speaker 1: a good prospect or intriguing to say the least. Santana
Speaker 1: good contact skills. There's something to work with there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: for me, I'm calling up Augustine Ramirez and I want
Speaker 1: to see Navaretto be the backup. I don't want to
Speaker 1: see Augustine catch because the point of a backup catcher
Speaker 1: typically is, you know, you want a guy that has defense,
Speaker 1: And what's the point of Augustine catching Joe Mack, who's
Speaker 1: so elite defensively if every few days he's going to
Speaker 1: be terrible back there? So at least Sarbaretto gives you
Speaker 1: a safe floor defensively, And honestly, I'd want to see
Speaker 1: Augustine get another chance to hit, stick him at DH,
Speaker 1: maybe give him a first base glove, do something else.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no more catcher for Gus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll open up to the rest of you guys
Speaker 2: before we go to break anybody. Where do you guys
Speaker 2: stand on what this means for the non Joe mac
Speaker 2: days behind the plate, on the days he's resting.
Speaker 5: From what I've heard, they are going to call out
Speaker 5: for mirrors and I'd be shocked if they'd call him
Speaker 5: up to simply not catch at all. And he has
Speaker 5: been catching every day at tripa A Jacksonville, despite basically
Speaker 5: we were talking about earlier not improving whatsoever, in fact,
Speaker 5: maybe getting a little worse behind the plate. But I
Speaker 5: do think that they are reaching they are nearing the
Speaker 5: end of that experiment, quote unquote, but I do foresee
Speaker 5: them bringing him up just to have another right handed
Speaker 5: power bat. It's just unfortunate that he really hasn't taken
Speaker 5: off offensively the way we know he's capable of down there.
Speaker 5: It's just been really a little bit of streakiness and
Speaker 5: just an ops in the mid seven hundreds, which is fine,
Speaker 5: and maybe when he gets called up he co'd really
Speaker 5: turn it on again, but it's it's not a perfect
Speaker 5: perfect time to call back up, but it does look
Speaker 5: like that's what they're gonna do. Norby has also been
Speaker 5: really hot, so you could see him get called up
Speaker 5: at some point as well. So it's the good thing
Speaker 5: about this is that they have plenty of plenty of
Speaker 5: decent options to call up whenever they do need someone,
Speaker 5: so that's something that they haven't been able to do
Speaker 5: in the past.
Speaker 3: I think we're having the same conversation where it comes
Speaker 3: to Gus's bat than we did when they first sent
Speaker 3: him down. Right, if you remove him from the catching,
Speaker 3: I really do think the bat will take off. I
Speaker 3: think I think the expectation will be that gust will
Speaker 3: catch when there's a lefty on the mount opposing lefty
Speaker 3: on the mound. I think that's what that's what I've heard.
Speaker 3: If assume he's the one that ends up getting called
Speaker 3: up on Olaac just said he probably will. But I
Speaker 3: truly think that if you put him at first and
Speaker 3: have him DH and he's catching like two or three
Speaker 3: times a month like the bat, I think could really
Speaker 3: take off. And they needed to. They need it to
Speaker 3: because now you traded your RBI, your RBI leader, you're
Speaker 3: your run producer. One of the guys who honestly had
Speaker 3: one of the better approaches on the team when it
Speaker 3: comes to he had the low strike up percentage amongst
Speaker 3: all catchers. He walked a decent bit like you need
Speaker 3: Gus to really step up if he's the guy and
Speaker 3: really start producing the runs, because even before he got
Speaker 3: sent down he wasn't doing that. The power has kind
Speaker 3: of come back a little bit in triple A, but
Speaker 3: outside of that, he is still pounding the ball on
Speaker 3: the ground and it's a high ground ball rate and
Speaker 3: just hasn't been great offensively. It just hasn't been consistent.
Speaker 3: I really think leaving fully the catcher stuff behind and
Speaker 3: just focusing as a DH first baseman. I know overall
Speaker 3: it'll really drop down his value as a player, but
Speaker 3: if he could hit man who cares, right, That's how
Speaker 3: I see it. I still think he'll catch, but I
Speaker 3: don't think it'll be full time anymore. I see it
Speaker 3: kind of like Ben Rice with the Yankees. I know
Speaker 3: he hasn't caught this year, but I think last year
Speaker 3: ended up catching a couple games here and there because
Speaker 3: of need more than because he's good at it, or
Speaker 3: because you know, they still want to do that. But
Speaker 3: that's what I could see with Gus and Ben Rice's
Speaker 3: bat is really taken off. So not saying that Gus
Speaker 3: will take off the same way, but something similar wouldn't
Speaker 3: hurt that point.
Speaker 1: It's almost like, what's what's the point of even throwing
Speaker 1: him behind the plate at all? Like, if it's gonna
Speaker 1: be so.
Speaker 3: You'd rather have Brian Novaretto who offensively off Yeah no, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: of course, but offensively Brian Elvarretto is a nobody, but
Speaker 3: but not not entirely. You don't have to, you don't
Speaker 3: have a nobody offensively behind them in the lineup.
Speaker 1: I'd raither have.
Speaker 3: Gus, who's a shitty defensive catcher and could hit.
Speaker 1: The Marlins games. Navaretto is not going to cost the
Speaker 1: Marlins a game defensive.
Speaker 3: You don't know. You don't know that, you don't know that.
Speaker 3: There is multiple times I'm not disagreeing with you. Yes
Speaker 3: that's true, but you're telling me Novaretto is perfect. He's not.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying he's a backup catcher Marlins Jeff.
Speaker 3: Mat Brian Brian Navaretto is not a major leaguer.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: The thing is that.
Speaker 5: The fact that Joe mack is such an elite defensive catcher,
Speaker 5: I feel like that changes the way that the Martins
Speaker 5: look at their backup position for EA, Like when they
Speaker 5: have a good catcher as or starting catcher that's not
Speaker 5: great defensively, Yes, there's a lot of value to have
Speaker 5: a Jeff mathis never Retto type, But when Joe macki
Speaker 5: is as the leite as he is, then maybe you
Speaker 5: look at a little bit differently.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the right answer is.
Speaker 5: I think both players are immensely flawed, and I thought
Speaker 5: Hicks was a perfect medium between the two of them.
Speaker 5: But I still see why they traded him. But you know,
Speaker 5: arguing about who's shittier. Come on, what are you doing here?
Speaker 3: We got other stuff to work talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I find a word on this part of
Speaker 2: the thinking going into Hicks trade and why there's some
Speaker 2: fit logically for Gus even as a catcher, even if
Speaker 2: we have to close our eyes when watching him behind
Speaker 2: the blade, is that it's currently set up between Hicks
Speaker 2: and Mac when you're facing a left handed pitcher. That's
Speaker 2: they were getting no offense on either. There was no
Speaker 2: good solution both of those guys low five hundreds ops
Speaker 2: against lefties, Hicks and Mac this season. For as good
Speaker 2: as Mac has been, that's been the one main flaw
Speaker 2: in his game, and Hicks has been just as bad
Speaker 2: this year. I think it's going under the radar, Like
Speaker 2: how ineffective Hicks was as a hitter as well when
Speaker 2: he was facing lefties and guz. The only thing that
Speaker 2: he did well at the major league level this year
Speaker 2: before gang sent down was hit against right He hit
Speaker 2: against lefties, raking against lefties, and he's still done that
Speaker 2: to a good extend in Triple A and the fact
Speaker 2: that he's done at the big leagues for parts of
Speaker 2: two seasons gives you confidence it will work over there.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of the bouncing act that you do
Speaker 2: in nov Retto. Frankly, even though he does the platoon
Speaker 2: advantage against lefties, you don't trust him whatsoever in that role,
Speaker 2: given that he has an extensive track record that just
Speaker 2: shows that offensively, he's not gonna give you much anything.
Speaker 2: He can't count on it.
Speaker 3: He's a glorified coach man. He's a glorified coach. That's
Speaker 3: if you're telling me, if anyone thinks this man is
Speaker 3: a viable catcher.
Speaker 1: No, I never said he was valuable.
Speaker 3: You You just you argued you'd rather have him up
Speaker 3: over Gus.
Speaker 1: Know, I said I would rather Navarreto catch over Gus.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, no, ship.
Speaker 1: As a d H full time I'm ready to not happening.
Speaker 3: I can promise you right now that's not what's not happening.
Speaker 1: That's what has to happen. It won't.
Speaker 3: It won't.
Speaker 2: So it'll be time to circle back to this and
Speaker 2: so well, at the other side of the breakway, it
Speaker 2: gets to this practicing Garriretrade as well, even the smaller
Speaker 2: in scale but surprisingly comparable return on the prospect side.
Speaker 2: So we're going to get into that and everything else,
Speaker 2: and still thirty five minutes for additional moves to take place.
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Speaker 2: And we were back here on FLF Live a very
Speaker 2: spirited conversation about the first trade that the Marlins maintenance ratifications.
Speaker 2: The second trade is official as well. Braxton Garrett gone
Speaker 2: after more than ten years in the Marlins organization, former
Speaker 2: first round draft pick, former postseason starter for this Marlin
Speaker 2: and seemed just three years ago, really too less than
Speaker 2: three years ago, and a guy that we just hadn't
Speaker 2: seen very much at the major league level since then,
Speaker 2: particularly this year, and we've had plenty of conversations about
Speaker 2: that and the team's reluctance to use him at the
Speaker 2: big league level this year despite having a pretty apparent
Speaker 2: need for starting pitching even at this moment. So let's
Speaker 2: just dive in into this first about glad Isaaca, just
Speaker 2: about the fact that Brax was used, and I would
Speaker 2: say underused the way that he was this year, only
Speaker 2: pitching seven endings at the big league leveble of this year,
Speaker 2: and of course those two mediocre starts did very well
Speaker 2: in TRIAA, but as they needed starting pitchers and they
Speaker 2: didn't even give him a shot even though he was
Speaker 2: crushing it in Jacksonville.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they got more than I would have suspected, especially
Speaker 5: since his last couple starts in Triple A weren't phenomenal.
Speaker 5: But we got to give Braxie Flowers. This was a
Speaker 5: first overall pick back in twenty sixteen. You mentioned it,
Speaker 5: ten years in the organization, and he really contributed an
Speaker 5: insane amount more than I thought he would, to be
Speaker 5: honest with you. Multiple elbow surgeries for the guy. He
Speaker 5: debuted in twenty twenty, contributed to their twenty twenty three
Speaker 5: playoff run. He was actually their number two starter in
Speaker 5: the Wildcard Series in Philadelphia and one of the nicer
Speaker 5: guys in the entire organization. So to see him go
Speaker 5: to a really fun situation in Wrigley Field with the Cubs,
Speaker 5: and yeah, they clearly had a couple of motives in
Speaker 5: keeping him down. One they just did not want to
Speaker 5: risk calling him back up and him gets shelld one
Speaker 5: more time, and then all of his value gets diminished. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: apparently he still had some value, so that was good
Speaker 5: to see, and I think they just thought the command
Speaker 5: was never going to return, and it seemed to be
Speaker 5: that seems to be the case. Hopefully the Cubs can
Speaker 5: fix him a little bit, wanting to get more velocity,
Speaker 5: but the breaking ball is still there. Latando pictures are
Speaker 5: always valuable, and I think he has some sort of
Speaker 5: role with the Cubs come October. Hopefully the Cubs won't
Speaker 5: be in October because that means the Marlins will be
Speaker 5: in it. But should Miami not make it, in favor
Speaker 5: of the Cubs, I'll be rooting for Brax.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of us shared these sentiments from
Speaker 2: LMF about Brax as a human being off the field
Speaker 2: and the guy that did all the right things. There
Speaker 2: was some interesting reporting from Barry Jackson The Herald earlier
Speaker 2: today about how the Marlins were wanted him to really
Speaker 2: prioritize adding velocity. This is a guy that's always had
Speaker 2: below average v low even for a lefty, and wanted
Speaker 2: him to make some significant adjustments in terms of his
Speaker 2: training and his pitch usage, and that they were kind
Speaker 2: of butting heads about that, and that may have been
Speaker 2: part of the factor in terms of why it is that,
Speaker 2: despite the results he was getting at Triple A, didn't
Speaker 2: get that other opportunity. But to Kevin, I guess a
Speaker 2: little bit more about the prospects they got in return here,
Speaker 2: because I'll just there's no way to sugarcoat it. I
Speaker 2: was wrong on Practice's value. I underestimated how much value
Speaker 2: he would have. I thought, as a twenty eight year
Speaker 2: old he's about to turn twenty nine, beating up on
Speaker 2: Triple A competition. I didn't think that would do anything
Speaker 2: for his value. And yet pitching is apparently just extremely
Speaker 2: important on this market at this time of year, even
Speaker 2: guys that haven't shown that they could pitch in the
Speaker 2: majors effectively for a while. And they get a guy
Speaker 2: and Jonathan Long that we could be seeing really soon
Speaker 2: at the big league level. They get a second piece
Speaker 2: as well, that was comfortably in the cub's top thirty prospects.
Speaker 2: So to get those two, to guess a return that's
Speaker 2: like surprisingly similar to what they got for Hicks, that
Speaker 2: some credit goes to the front office, I guess, even
Speaker 2: though they didn't clearly didn't have faith or want him
Speaker 2: really part of their big league team. Frankly, at least
Speaker 2: other contending teams did, and the Cubs ended up having
Speaker 2: to pay quite a bit to get him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, two top thirty guys according to Pipeline, which honestly,
Speaker 3: you're right. I had no clue they would actually get
Speaker 3: this for him. When I saw the trade went through,
Speaker 3: I figured it maybe be like a prospect or like
Speaker 3: a player to be named later, But they got a
Speaker 3: lot more than I figured. And I think that the
Speaker 3: track record and what he's done before, and he does
Speaker 3: have some playoff experience and all that does play, I
Speaker 3: guess a factor in what they think, and that maybe
Speaker 3: going to another organization gives him a fresh start, and
Speaker 3: he's going to one that's in the middle of a
Speaker 3: postseason race, so you know, wishing him nothing but the
Speaker 3: best there. But yeah, Jonathan long and know was a
Speaker 3: guy that a lot of Marlins fans and Marlin's Twitter
Speaker 3: was very happy to see on his way to Miami.
Speaker 3: Sixteenth rank prospect in Baseball America. I think he's number
Speaker 3: ten on pipeline. So that's a guy who could potentially
Speaker 3: see some big league time. We'll see if that that
Speaker 3: ends up being the case. Then Chase Beck is another
Speaker 3: guy who provided some depth into their relief or to
Speaker 3: their relievers. If the Momins end up trading a reliever
Speaker 3: in the next thirty twenty nine minutes, maybe he gets
Speaker 3: a call up at some point during the season, or
Speaker 3: he joins the team in Atlanta. He has yet to
Speaker 3: debut at the big league level, but you know, he's
Speaker 3: a guy that could definitely help. And yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: fine trade, nothing crazy. The fact that they got two
Speaker 3: players in return, to top two ranked prospects in return,
Speaker 3: I think just is good enough for me. Jonathan Long
Speaker 3: hopefully see sometime that the big leage. Both of them
Speaker 3: should honestly see some time at the big league level
Speaker 3: at some point this season. A little higher on Long,
Speaker 3: but it's it's a risk that the Cubs are taking
Speaker 3: the one that they can take because they they had
Speaker 3: the system to do it. And yeah, you know, solid acquisition.
Speaker 4: Yeah I'm higher as well, But I just want to
Speaker 4: talk about Chase Beck. I mean, this guy's an absolute
Speaker 4: monster was he six nine, two hundred. The Cubs signed
Speaker 4: him an undrafted or not undrafted as a minor league
Speaker 4: free agent in November and honestly hasn't shown much. He's
Speaker 4: been up and down between Triple A and Double a
Speaker 4: I've got a three ram double a Knoxville right now.
Speaker 4: But I'm just really excited to see what the Marlins
Speaker 4: Pitcheon development can do with this guy. I mean, let's
Speaker 4: see that there's a lot of untapped potential there. I
Speaker 4: know we had a little bit of a lossity spike
Speaker 4: this year, so potentially seeing upper nine from this guy,
Speaker 4: maybe a little at a little offspeed pitch or refine
Speaker 4: what he has already. But in terms of just guys
Speaker 4: I'm excited about. Obviously, I feel like launch a safer guy,
Speaker 4: but a six nine diction out of the bullpen never
Speaker 4: fun to face for anyone. So Jase Beck, we will
Speaker 4: be tuned into you, my man.
Speaker 2: A little commentary. They'll flash on the screen from Alex Carver.
Speaker 2: People in the chat wondering where is Carver? Where is Carver?
Speaker 2: I think he'll join us at the end of the show.
Speaker 2: But he is still falling along with this stuff, and
Speaker 2: he's excited about Jase Peck as well, for the reasons
Speaker 2: that Nate highlighted very rare size of course, and the
Speaker 2: fact that his strikeout rate this year extremely impressive. He
Speaker 2: is an older player relative to his level, just turned
Speaker 2: twenty six years old, so that has to be taken
Speaker 2: into consideration. But those strikeout numbers really are eye popping,
Speaker 2: over a third of the batters that he's faced over
Speaker 2: all this year between double A and triple A. Not
Speaker 2: on the forty men roster yet, doesn't need to be
Speaker 2: an imminent call up candidate, but could be a guy
Speaker 2: that you see before the end of the year because
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a whole lot more to develop down there.
Speaker 2: But you get a little more on Long from Jeremiah
Speaker 2: because I know you've been on him since the offseason
Speaker 2: as a guy that you thought would be interesting for
Speaker 2: the Marlins. So just a little bit more about why
Speaker 2: it is that you'd think he's going to be successful
Speaker 2: at the next level as a guy that's really hammering
Speaker 2: on the door for a call up. And it's pretty
Speaker 2: convenient that he's also a righty bat as well. We
Speaker 2: were talking about how this team is a little slanted
Speaker 2: in terms of being overly left handed, and they send
Speaker 2: out Hicks and now they bring in Long, So even
Speaker 2: if they're not exactly one for one as the same
Speaker 2: player like Long could wind up whether it's the end
Speaker 2: of this year or next year, he'd be getting a
Speaker 2: lot of the at bats that Hicks had and just
Speaker 2: be a more complimentary piece because of his handedness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really excited for this move, and I gotta
Speaker 1: agree with you at ELI. This shocks me that the
Speaker 1: two the Marlins got four Brax and Garrett was this
Speaker 1: solid because not only was Garrett not pitching super consistently
Speaker 1: in his two starts in Miami, and then he had
Speaker 1: a couple of really bad outings that could have tanked
Speaker 1: his value, he was pitching in the miners all year.
Speaker 1: So the Marlins made out really well with this one.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Long is a guy I've been high on. I
Speaker 1: was thinking about acquiring him potentially in an Edward Cabrera
Speaker 1: deal this offseason, and they didn't get that done. But
Speaker 1: Long is He's got a lot of qualities you want
Speaker 1: to see from a hitter if you're the Marlins. He's
Speaker 1: got plus power, plus contact, good approach Defensively, It's kind
Speaker 1: of like a first base type. But you know, when
Speaker 1: you really think about the situation for Miami, that's not
Speaker 1: the worst thing in the world. They don't have a
Speaker 1: ton of first base prospects coming up, so I think
Speaker 1: Long has nothing left to prove in Miami. So when
Speaker 1: we talk about a major league for or not proven trip,
Speaker 1: Lash'd say I think he needs to be in Miami
Speaker 1: as soon as possible. When we talk about major league
Speaker 1: for major league swap, this is kind of that scenario
Speaker 1: because long there's nothing left to prove, he's still hating
Speaker 1: consistently really good approach. He's not going to not going
Speaker 1: to strike out a ton, I hope not. That's that's
Speaker 1: a concern a little bit with his swing and miss,
Speaker 1: but overall I like the move. And then to second
Speaker 1: what you guys are saying about Jase Beck. This guy
Speaker 1: could be a major league believer, throw so hard and
Speaker 1: such an intimidating presence on the mound. So get those
Speaker 1: two players for Braxton Garrett. At this point in Garrett's career,
Speaker 1: you gotta walk away thinking the Marlins feel really good
Speaker 1: about this.
Speaker 2: M H couldn't resist pulling up this comment. I know
Speaker 2: that think as Einhorn falls us closely on all we do.
Speaker 2: And remember is that Carver rants from the deadline last year.
Speaker 2: In this case the Morens, I guess you could say
Speaker 2: that Fairbanks is the closest comp to that as a
Speaker 2: pending free agent who was doing well, right before the dental.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a moment.
Speaker 3: You trade him for something, guys, right, him for something
Speaker 3: for anything? Literally anything, guys.
Speaker 2: Well we're speaking twenty three and a half minutes before
Speaker 2: the deadline year the Marnins I made those two trades
Speaker 2: combined five prospects they get in return. I think we
Speaker 2: generally feel that Long is the one that is the
Speaker 2: quote best of those, but we've seen through the years
Speaker 2: that these stuff can go in pretty improbable directions one
Speaker 2: way or the other. I guess we'll take a quick
Speaker 2: breather here. Just there's been a lot of moves around
Speaker 2: the league, So I'll go to Sean first. Anything that
Speaker 2: catches your eyes specifically today, just to keep it as
Speaker 2: current as possible. That a move, a non Marlins move
Speaker 2: that really caught your attention today that you have a
Speaker 2: take about.
Speaker 6: Probably just what the Red Sox had to pay for
Speaker 6: Rushman was surprising. Yeah, Yeah, that's definitely a player high
Speaker 6: used to be pretty high on. I think his stars
Speaker 6: dimmed a bit, and it seem like a big overpay
Speaker 6: on the Red Sox part. So that's wanted to struck
Speaker 6: me the most. I never want to see and beyond
Speaker 6: that then just everyone else in the N East race,
Speaker 6: you know, doing you know, little things to you know,
Speaker 6: improve whether that was you know, the Philly is adding
Speaker 6: a player near and dear to all of our hearts
Speaker 6: or on some level, or you know the Braves, you
Speaker 6: know making moves as well. That's just never never want
Speaker 6: to see the other division contenders on, you know, tinkering.
Speaker 6: But the big standout today was Rushman. And then there
Speaker 6: was that thing that happened that happened the other day
Speaker 6: in baseball.
Speaker 1: Talk about that.
Speaker 2: Everybody's moved on now, everybody is catching up to the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: They've shot their bullet with that two time defending Sight
Speaker 2: Young Award winner. Now keeping it in the present, wellout,
Speaker 2: You need anything else going around the league that you
Speaker 2: found interesting?
Speaker 4: Marlins related, well, I guess right now it doesn't really
Speaker 4: mean much to anyone here, but the fact that the
Speaker 4: Twins are buying what is just their year. They just
Speaker 4: got Jeff Hoppin from the Blue Jays. I don't know
Speaker 4: what in the hell is combined compelling them to buy,
Speaker 4: especially in their current city and a stacked division like
Speaker 4: the Al Central. But hey Man, when he got a
Speaker 4: chance to go for it in the al, especially in
Speaker 4: a year like this, and you do so honestly, not
Speaker 4: too much obviously, the Brave stacking up on drislate Lane
Speaker 4: Thomas and that was yesterday, and the Phillies didn't Luise Arrives, who,
Speaker 4: as Eli noted earlier, obviously, one of the most iconic
Speaker 4: moments of this decade was him getting that cycle at
Speaker 4: Citizens Bank Park three years ago. So not going to
Speaker 4: be fun to face the Phillies, at least to Morrowins
Speaker 4: took care of them, so I believe they only have
Speaker 4: one more trip to Philly this year and then they're
Speaker 4: done until the postseason of course. So yeah, not too
Speaker 4: much Outside of that. The Yankees just getting Elliott Ramos.
Speaker 4: Hopefully they don't make a lot of moves. I'm not
Speaker 4: a big fan of the Yankees anyway, so if Brian
Speaker 4: Cashman conte on his hands and not making anything else,
Speaker 4: I'll be fine. But yeah, pretty much like what Seahn
Speaker 4: said that Ali Rushman deal Man, you feel honestly gutted
Speaker 4: for Orioles fans. One of my close friends a big
Speaker 4: Orioles fan. They had to sit through what those late
Speaker 4: twenty tens years of pure misery. Finally, got the first
Speaker 4: overall pick, and then they, you know, go to the playoffs,
Speaker 4: batch at years and stink it up, and they're probably
Speaker 4: gonna be right back to square one soon enough. So
Speaker 4: it's brutal, but that's baseball. So hopefully, I don't know,
Speaker 4: one of these days and then the level turn for them.
Speaker 5: I would love to have Alex Carr on the show
Speaker 5: because I'd love to know his thoughts on the Orios trade. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's a great addition, but just the amount of shifting
Speaker 5: they're gonna have to do defensively just to fit him in,
Speaker 5: and he's not exactly a fantastic defender. He is this year,
Speaker 5: but it just feels so they're going out of their
Speaker 5: way to add someone when they could have just simply
Speaker 5: added an outfielder, because that's pretty much what they needed.
Speaker 5: Dave Dombrowski had me scratching my head a little bit
Speaker 5: on that one, like he's a great complimentary piece, but
Speaker 5: to put Harper back in right field, which is looking
Speaker 5: like what they're gonna do. He already he did something
Speaker 5: that I thought was super admirable, which has moved first base,
Speaker 5: and now you're gonna put him back in right field,
Speaker 5: you know, I guess temporary situation. I'm not a huge
Speaker 5: fan of that move. For Philadelphia. Rise is a great hitter.
Speaker 5: It's gonna play very well in that ballpark, or maybe
Speaker 5: not because the corners are really the corner outfields, or
Speaker 5: it's really shallow, not a lot of room for a
Speaker 5: dumb fly balls anymore.
Speaker 1: So we'll see that one was a little bit strange
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: Just in the last few minutes. Then that's making another
Speaker 2: selling move, selling Foster Griffin having an amazing debut season
Speaker 2: in the majors after being successful overseas, and they catch
Speaker 2: him in for four prospects from the Guardians organization elsewhere.
Speaker 2: With the Giants move that they made, they're sending Eric Miller,
Speaker 2: a lefty reliever from Marcelo Meyer who was very high
Speaker 2: up on top prospect lists just a year and a
Speaker 2: half ago and very quickly fell out of favor in
Speaker 2: Boston behind a lot of other position players they have here.
Speaker 2: I was surprised to see that they were willing to
Speaker 2: sell that low on his value, given that how highly
Speaker 2: regarded he was a very short time ago, So that
Speaker 2: was surprising. I thought he still had more value than
Speaker 2: that at this moment. So that really caught my eye too,
Speaker 2: and as also just the general principle of the Twins buying.
Speaker 2: As Nate mentioned, the fact that last year they were
Speaker 2: the biggest seller in the entire market, Like this old
Speaker 2: forty percent of their roster last year at the deadline,
Speaker 2: and this year good enough and a weak al central
Speaker 2: to feel that they can go for it and put
Speaker 2: some more money on the books that they'd just taken
Speaker 2: off the previous year. I guess yeah. We'll address a
Speaker 2: couple more interesting questions I saw in the chat going
Speaker 2: back to Marlins related stuff before we move forward on here.
Speaker 2: The one that I saw that I really liked was
Speaker 2: about the pitch calling from the dugout and the fact
Speaker 2: that Hicks is now going I was thinking about this
Speaker 2: ramification too, about how it is that that impacts the
Speaker 2: way that Marlins catchers are valued. The Marlins are the
Speaker 2: one team that is exclusively calling pitches from the dugout
Speaker 2: this year, and that's generally gone. Well, it just means
Speaker 2: that it takes a responsibility largely off of the catcher's played,
Speaker 2: and it's done by the coaching staff and the dugout itself.
Speaker 2: So the fact that Hicks most of his major league
Speaker 2: experience has now been in that role because they started
Speaker 2: doing it last year a little bit at the end
Speaker 2: of the season and now all of this year, so
Speaker 2: that Hicks hasn't done very much traditional pitch calling at
Speaker 2: the major league level during the course of his career,
Speaker 2: so I think that may have been a into it
Speaker 2: as well. I don't know any of you guys if
Speaker 2: you have thoughts on that. The fact that Marlin's catchers
Speaker 2: are being used differently and being more specialized than others
Speaker 2: at different positions, that could be part of the reason
Speaker 2: maybe why it is that he went for less than
Speaker 2: we thought he would on paper.
Speaker 3: You kind of mentioned it. He did call normal pitches
Speaker 3: last year as early as last year, so and he's
Speaker 3: done this in the minor leagues before. Like at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, he's still the one, I guess
Speaker 3: in putting the pitch on the pitch coom thing. The
Speaker 3: only difference is like he's the one that's just gonna
Speaker 3: call it I do, And he's kind of been pretty
Speaker 3: adamant about like it's not that big of a difference.
Speaker 3: It's just him looking to the side, looking at the
Speaker 3: call and then calling it. I may shave off like
Speaker 3: another second now, you know, like you know, gives them
Speaker 3: a little more time to do it. I'm sure they
Speaker 3: spoke about this and this was asked or this was
Speaker 3: part of the deal, or you know, the conversations. But
Speaker 3: I'm sure you know that's not going to be that
Speaker 3: big of a deal. He did this last year too,
Speaker 3: with the same organization, so I'm not too worried about it.
Speaker 3: And the Rays are quite the innovative organization themselves, so yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not too worried.
Speaker 6: I think it's hard to get a read on. Just
Speaker 6: like you mentioned Marlins catchers overall, it's like if you
Speaker 6: take kicks out of it, then the error bars are
Speaker 6: so extreme with the other Marlin catchers, and you one end,
Speaker 6: you have Joe Mack who, like everyone in the game
Speaker 6: degree is one of the best catchers in the game,
Speaker 6: and then there's Augustine Ramirez, who is everyone would degree
Speaker 6: is one of the worst catchers defensively and major League
Speaker 6: Baseball at the other end of the specsion.
Speaker 1: So it's a little hard too.
Speaker 6: I feel like you do the math on that, I would,
Speaker 6: but you know, personally, I would think there is a
Speaker 6: bit of a hit, but not enough to really move
Speaker 6: the needle in a I think a major way in
Speaker 6: a transaction.
Speaker 2: M Yeah. Aside from that, I think it was noted
Speaker 2: that the Marlins haven't played the Cubs at all this year,
Speaker 2: so assuming Brax is part of their pitching staff, there
Speaker 2: is a chance, multiple chances for a revenge game of
Speaker 2: sorts between him and them before the end of the season.
Speaker 2: One that as a more legit revenge angle too. It's
Speaker 2: just given what we've learned through Barry Jackson's reporting and
Speaker 2: what we could have observed from the far, the fact
Speaker 2: that he was a guy that was so deserving of
Speaker 2: getting some sort of opportunity based on performance and didn't
Speaker 2: get it, and now the Cubs to some extent will
Speaker 2: I don't think it's been like confirmed that he's going
Speaker 2: to be in their rotation right away and have a
Speaker 2: permanent about the rest of the year. He's gonna to
Speaker 2: earn it. He could still be optioned down to Triple
Speaker 2: A for the time being, and the Cubs might There's
Speaker 2: still a few minutes left for the Cubs to make
Speaker 2: other additions there that bump him further down the depth chart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they acquired goss They're acquired Gossman and I think
Speaker 3: they acquired another starter, so so they've added starting pitching
Speaker 3: through the steadline, so and you still have Cabrera, who's
Speaker 3: on the eye. I believe he's coming back. They stope
Speaker 3: some guys are coming back from injury. So maybe Brax
Speaker 3: for the time being does slip into the rotation or
Speaker 3: they think he may be better in the bullpen. Who knows.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Braxa is not by any means. I think
Speaker 3: a shured a spot on the rotation, they would be
Speaker 3: really bad. I would feel terrible for him if he
Speaker 3: gets acquired, he finally feels like he's going to get
Speaker 3: called up and he just to go what to Iowa.
Speaker 3: That's where their Triple A affiliate is. That's even worse
Speaker 3: than Jacksonville. Yeah, not fun.
Speaker 4: I don't think Braston has one angry bone in his
Speaker 4: body to have like any type of like revenge outated
Speaker 4: of to Marlands, So I'm not really too worried about that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Also like this regime that he really wasn't around for
Speaker 3: too much, So yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 4: I think that heard more than anything is the fact
Speaker 4: that he was an old regime guy and then with
Speaker 4: the Benet regime and that that was the name on
Speaker 4: his troph and I think mm hmmm, right.
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Speaker 2: Right back to Kevin, do you think the marls might
Speaker 2: not be done yet?
Speaker 3: They may have one more in them, That's.
Speaker 2: All I know, Well, just reckless speculation. Who do we
Speaker 2: think it could be? From my personal take is that
Speaker 2: have to be somebody on the reliever side. This team that,
Speaker 2: as we've discussed, so it's a front office that is
Speaker 2: not going to is willing to trust its ability to
Speaker 2: develop guys to make pretty radical changes. In a short
Speaker 2: amount of time and sell high on guys that do
Speaker 2: improve quite a bit in a short amount of time
Speaker 2: as well, so that there's a few candidates that fit
Speaker 2: check that box. Then on the other end of the spectrum,
Speaker 2: there is the one pending free agent on this team.
Speaker 2: There's Pete Fairbanks, who is had a very volatile year
Speaker 2: and I thought just a few weeks ago he was
Speaker 2: kind of a lost causes a trade candidate, but he's
Speaker 2: performed so well. Just hope for his last five appearances
Speaker 2: to kind of bring himself into consideration. Another guy that
Speaker 2: we've discussed as a group, and I think from watching
Speaker 2: him on a regular basis, have been relatively unimpressed with
Speaker 2: his performance is Calvin Fouchet, who if you look under
Speaker 2: the hood, some of the peripherals of him are still
Speaker 2: impressive even though he is not really executed with the
Speaker 2: game on the line, and he still has a pretty
Speaker 2: pretty peripherals, like pretty attractive peripherals, I should say. And
Speaker 2: the guy that still has three years of control beyond
Speaker 2: this year, he's in his arbitration years, He's not he's
Speaker 2: in that sweet spot. We're not close to free agency yet,
Speaker 2: but getting a little bit more expensive and he has
Speaker 2: I think Kevin noted to me the other night that
Speaker 2: he has actually quietly performed well also in recent weeks.
Speaker 2: You know, where do you stand Nate on Just like
Speaker 2: the general idea about relievers, this is a team that
Speaker 2: their bullpen itself has been kind of unreliable over these
Speaker 2: last few weeks, and yet they have guys that are
Speaker 2: interesting trade candidates. They have a few that are close
Speaker 2: to coming back to injury, they have candidates at triple A.
Speaker 2: You know, what would you want to see them do
Speaker 2: on the bullpen fronts in these final few minutes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been saying this since Peter Bennet look over
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four. I feel like every reliever is
Speaker 4: a spendle. It doesn't matter who they really are. Kevin's
Speaker 4: making that face because I believe the diamond match is
Speaker 4: traded for Laura's newpar So. That's a little arnaud a
Speaker 4: new bar reunion out in the desert, so a little
Speaker 4: bit interesting. But besides that, Yeah, I mean I've said
Speaker 4: it for a couple of years now. I mean, when
Speaker 4: you go when you can go out and pick up
Speaker 4: guys like Ronnie and Riquez, Michael Peterson, I mean even
Speaker 4: lake Bach or some of these guys that Peter Bennett
Speaker 4: has picked up for absolutely nothing and turn them into
Speaker 4: as shot our guy Sean Mcorn can say demons, then
Speaker 4: I don't know why you wouldn't. Even Pete Fairbans at
Speaker 4: this point kind of had like a little bit of
Speaker 4: a twenty twenty four Josh Bell type of run right
Speaker 4: before the deadline. Might thought he would like probably a
Speaker 4: month throw would have gone for nothing, But at this
Speaker 4: point you might get a little bit of something out of him,
Speaker 4: at least cash at the very worst. But he might
Speaker 4: be more than Marments at this point thanyone else. So
Speaker 4: it would stand to get rid of a guy like
Speaker 4: bid Mic right now, especially with how it amazing he's
Speaker 4: been at with the Inherited Runners, just like we saw yesterday.
Speaker 4: But if the man you believe, then get a splash
Speaker 4: for this guy and then replace him who knows a
Speaker 4: year later, you know, next year around this time, and
Speaker 4: then get Rounni and Riquez back for the spring, which
Speaker 4: will probably make these guys even more expendable. At that point,
Speaker 4: give you another and he dying than Anthony Benn are
Speaker 4: coming back soon. So yeah, all I think everyone should
Speaker 4: be available. I mean, that's how it is at this
Speaker 4: point anyway, for everyone in this roster, always listening on everyone,
Speaker 4: So I think that should pertain the most, so pretty
Speaker 4: much every lead on this roster as well.
Speaker 3: One thing to clarify real quick with the Marlins relievers is,
Speaker 3: I know people would think John Kings the other in
Speaker 3: pending free agent. He's not. He has one more year
Speaker 3: of club control because of arbitration. So I think that's
Speaker 3: one key thing there, because if they really did want
Speaker 3: to move him, they could, and they actually probably could
Speaker 3: get some nice value in return given the extra year
Speaker 3: and how cheap it will probably be. But I could
Speaker 3: see a world where they keep him, they saw the
Speaker 3: adjustments as he's made, or that the organization kind of
Speaker 3: put for them, and then yeah, they could trade him
Speaker 3: at the next deadline. I guess the other name worth
Speaker 3: noting is Bender. I don't know exactly what his timeline
Speaker 3: looks like. I believe he was throwing throwing. He probably
Speaker 3: may start of rehab assign it sometime soon. But I
Speaker 3: think the other thing to note here is that they're
Speaker 3: gonna have to make a roster move in their bullpen,
Speaker 3: regardless if they choose to recall Josh Ekna. I would
Speaker 3: they just send down Bracs Dax Fulton, but they really
Speaker 3: wanted to bring out back this and keep Dax as
Speaker 3: a long man. They would have to make a roster
Speaker 3: move there. I believe he should be back in the
Speaker 3: next couple of days, if not tomorrow. For the Brave,
Speaker 3: serious is when it makes the most sense to do,
Speaker 3: so that's something else to keep in mind. But if
Speaker 3: I had to make the prediction, I think it'll be
Speaker 3: for share Boker that are traded Baker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should touch on Lake Baker, who overall has
Speaker 2: had a good year. He ended his pre deadline service
Speaker 2: on a very high note, pitched three great endings on
Speaker 2: Friday or Saturday when Pete Fairbanks was actually unvailable for
Speaker 2: that game and Backer got it, went the distance to
Speaker 2: close that one out. He was also right a main
Speaker 2: character in the Urie Paraz perfect Game bid that was
Speaker 2: cut short. Docker came in right after him and at
Speaker 2: his worst outing of the year in that aspect as well.
Speaker 2: Need one other bad outing recently. I'm struggling to put
Speaker 2: my finger on exactly which day was that was also
Speaker 2: and of course of July, so there's been a couple
Speaker 2: of stinkers in there, but there's been a lot more
Speaker 2: good than bad. And this he had another guy where
Speaker 2: with a lot of these relievers. Fair Banks is the exception.
Speaker 2: Most of these guys are acquired very cheaply. Marlins found
Speaker 2: money in most of these cases. Michael Peterson two separate times,
Speaker 2: a waiver claim Lake Oker, waiver claim John King a
Speaker 2: very cheap one year free agent deal that he was
Speaker 2: acquired for. Who else do a guy here that he
Speaker 2: could go through? Yeah, I don't think the who's that?
Speaker 2: Uper Tyler Zueper. He's been pitching a lot of the man.
Speaker 2: He has been pitching well in some high level situations.
Speaker 2: Another former, There's no I would be he got.
Speaker 3: If he gets traded. Give make Peter Bendix the statue
Speaker 3: outside Lunde Bow Park if he got stumped in for him. Honestly,
Speaker 3: he deserves that after this brackstrade.
Speaker 4: But still like you're thinking of the Padres out in
Speaker 4: last Sunday for Lake and they it's donned the loosing
Speaker 4: street to twelve. But outside of that, I feel like,
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, dating back to last year, Lake Padger
Speaker 4: has been solid for the most part. Remember that adding
Speaker 4: last year against the Dodgers in that day game. I
Speaker 4: think what he got he recorded one out and allowed
Speaker 4: like seven. But outside of that, he's maybe doing for
Speaker 4: one blow up, maybe two a month. But outside of that,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm a big fan of like Balker.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the bullpen. I feel like this
Speaker 1: is kind of your opportunity to sell high on some
Speaker 1: of these guys. I mean, Fairbanks, I would I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be mad if they traded him at this point because
Speaker 1: I think Peterson could could fit right in into the
Speaker 1: closing role. Kind Of hesitant to move Peterson, but I
Speaker 1: look around guys the last couple of years, some of
Speaker 1: these returns that teams are getting for bullpen pieces. I mean,
Speaker 1: you go back to last year, they didn't really sell anybody.
Speaker 1: The Giants made that trade with the with the Mets
Speaker 1: got Drew Gilbert and some quality pieces, and the consensus was, well,
Speaker 1: if bullpen arms are going that high, why aren't the
Speaker 1: Marlins capitalizing on some of these guys's value. Because of
Speaker 1: the of the depth you have in the minor leagues.
Speaker 1: You know, guys that haven't gotten an extended shot or
Speaker 1: have dealt with some injuries this year. So I'm typically
Speaker 1: one of those guys that doesn't want to see the
Speaker 1: Marlins cell especially you know at fifty eight and fifty five.
Speaker 1: I don't want to then tear down the roster. And
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that
Speaker 1: there are pieces that you can easily replace internally and
Speaker 1: still get some really good value for I mean, the giants.
Speaker 1: I'm not a Marcelo Meyer fan, a lot of people are.
Speaker 1: I don't like the under the hood metrics, but Eric
Speaker 1: Miller from Marcelo Meyer, you're gonna take that. You're gonna
Speaker 1: take that ten times out of ten and give it
Speaker 1: a shot at least. So yeah, I mean, what do
Speaker 1: we got. Some trades are going to continue to roll
Speaker 1: in over the hour, but we'll see if they get
Speaker 1: something done. I'd like to see one or two arms
Speaker 1: get shipped off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the other thing. Two trades do roll in
Speaker 3: after because there are scenes that are engaged in conversations
Speaker 3: to there's like this fine line. We're up to a
Speaker 3: certain point, like you are still allowed to make the trade.
Speaker 3: So I'm assuming if Miami were to make one more
Speaker 3: it would be after that six pm time. But something
Speaker 3: worth noting too, and I want to talk about really
Speaker 3: quick this Arizona Diamondback situation because I'm Griff and Conine
Speaker 3: into the Diamondbacks, so that obviously is no longer an option.
Speaker 3: I don't think Phillies are a longer an option either.
Speaker 3: I really I stemmed the Conine stuff based on like, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, who really needs an outfielder and work Conine
Speaker 3: probably play every day. Arizona was definitely a spot. I
Speaker 3: thought Philly was a spot where you could at least
Speaker 3: thrive a little more. Arizona will see what they end
Speaker 3: up trading for for Lars Noopar, who click much better
Speaker 3: upgraded than gryffin Conine, but I would assume traded. I
Speaker 3: think the position players are safe. Sorry name, but maybe
Speaker 3: X is the only one that may get moved amongst
Speaker 3: the guys. I think there is they could slip some
Speaker 3: guys into that second base at least for the rest
Speaker 3: of the season. Uh, but yeah, they're Yeah, we're just
Speaker 3: in this waiting point right here where if they make
Speaker 3: a move, they make a move. If they don't, it
Speaker 3: was fun and they made the right moves I think
Speaker 3: at the state line so far.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not even gonna acknowledge that extramment from you, Kevin,
Speaker 4: but nice charge right now. I just just looking at
Speaker 4: the NL wildcard standings and she brought the Diamondbacks again.
Speaker 4: Obviously Diamond Batch are driving all in, saying with the
Speaker 4: Phillies and the Padres, they looked at a team like
Speaker 4: the Pirates, who are just under the Marlins, adding some
Speaker 4: reliever help with Luke Weaver from the Mets. So this
Speaker 4: race is only gonna get tougher. And then guys like
Speaker 4: the Cardinals it's escaping me who who they're getting read of?
Speaker 4: But the Cardinals sold and obviously the NAT sewing as well,
Speaker 4: so it's going to be a little bit more competitive
Speaker 4: for that third wild card spot. And as we just
Speaker 4: yet worried that the Guardians are acquiring Nathaniel from the
Speaker 4: red So if we're worried about the Reds creeping up,
Speaker 4: then I guess they're even more in the bud now.
Speaker 4: So yeah, Pittsburgh and Luke Weaver, that's you know, that's
Speaker 4: more buying than we've seen for the Marlins so far.
Speaker 3: Is that the first trade that the Reds make this
Speaker 3: today like or this that? Wow, that's that's crazy that
Speaker 3: the team that you would have thought was gonna sell
Speaker 3: just a little bit more, And we're very open to
Speaker 3: dealing pictures because they have guys that they could deal
Speaker 3: and they would probably get an insane haul for I
Speaker 3: haven't done it.
Speaker 2: Just stand with the wild card race for for the
Speaker 2: moment there mar one and a half back And I
Speaker 2: saw comment about, uh, wouldn't you like to see no
Speaker 2: games on trade deadline days so that all the focuses
Speaker 2: on the transactions, and the MLB has kind of threaded
Speaker 2: the needle here where it's about a half schedule today.
Speaker 2: Marlins obviously off, but pretty much every single team on
Speaker 2: here aside from the Marlins in action tonight, including the
Speaker 2: Nats playing the Phillies, The Pirates are playing on the road,
Speaker 2: the Cubs are playing at home, the who else we
Speaker 2: got here?
Speaker 3: And Blue Jays who just made that trade for Dalton
Speaker 3: varshow varshows in the liner for Houston where he's going
Speaker 3: to be at least.
Speaker 4: As what whoa for Connor Norby and Aiden May breaking?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: Who's on this? Jeff Pass?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: We do have a at the buzzer. At the buzzer
Speaker 2: live reaction to the Marlins acquiring a reliever making a
Speaker 2: trade to acquire what we don't know, ship do we acquire,
Speaker 2: including Connor Norby and Aiden May May. I'm pretty high
Speaker 2: on on Aiden May, so wow, Yeah, we're gonna do
Speaker 2: some live reaction here to the day and so for
Speaker 2: the moment, we'll see. My prediction was that the Morts
Speaker 2: to make three deadline deals, and this is number three,
Speaker 2: just before the buzzer. Not done yet. This might not
Speaker 2: be it, but interesting, interesting pivot here. So that's what
Speaker 2: Passing has a deal. I guess we'll find out in
Speaker 2: moments if there's any other variables here. But Victor Vadnik,
Speaker 2: a controllable right handed reliever from the Rockies for Connor
Speaker 2: Norby and Aiden May. Aiden May was there one of
Speaker 2: their higher draft picks two years ago having a nice
Speaker 2: season that hiaploit and we all know about Norby, who's
Speaker 2: who's been playing well in Triple A the last month
Speaker 2: or somebody's overqualified for that level, and so this is
Speaker 2: now this well when well just a reactions guys to
Speaker 2: this one. I think the Norby one maybe not as
Speaker 2: surprising that he's going out, But I guess let's start
Speaker 2: with the uh the acquisition in the first place. We
Speaker 2: were just talking moments ago about the Marlins. We should
Speaker 2: be in a position to trade relievers, and maybe there
Speaker 2: is a trade coming, a corresponding move, but still just
Speaker 2: in a vacuum. What do you guys think about them
Speaker 2: them investing in a very hard throwing reliever who has
Speaker 2: some high leverage experience in Victor Vodnick.
Speaker 3: I remember Vodnick was in Atlanta before, and I believe
Speaker 3: he got taken in the Rule five and it's been
Speaker 3: a weird ride. He he's got any era over five,
Speaker 3: but I think he also have to take that with
Speaker 3: a grain of salt. I think would be better to
Speaker 3: look at the roady right now, especially for him. He
Speaker 3: faced the Marlins a couple times in that four game
Speaker 3: set against the Rocky, so they got a good look
Speaker 3: at him. He throws hard as shit. I'm just more
Speaker 3: shocked to think they had to include a prospect on
Speaker 3: the Marlins and Aiden May, who I believe we have
Speaker 3: in our top thirty or was just on the outside
Speaker 3: looking in to make this trade for for Vodnik, But again,
Speaker 3: he has a lot of years of control. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: I'm stunned. I didn't see this coming at all. I've
Speaker 3: had a feeling maybe they'll end up moving Norby because
Speaker 3: maybe just didn't see a future there for him at
Speaker 3: the big league level. And he now goes to Colorado
Speaker 3: where I'm sure he'll go in the big league roster,
Speaker 3: and he's gonna he's gonna have a good chance to
Speaker 3: match their in course, so good opportunity.
Speaker 4: Correct, Sorry, I'm pretty sure vantage was not. Also on
Speaker 4: the mound for Owen Casey's walk off for the third
Speaker 4: game of the year. He also gave up the absolute
Speaker 4: tank to Griffin Conin coming off the bench of Cowards.
Speaker 4: So that's gonna be interesting introductions to those two guys.
Speaker 4: But man, I am, I'm shocked as the Pirates just
Speaker 4: get Tubby eight. So another team in this ray is
Speaker 4: going for lever help. But yeah, like Kevin said, man
Speaker 4: Victor Vaughner throws absolute gas, and I mean him and
Speaker 4: Michael Peterson. If you're if you're already bat Layton the
Speaker 4: late game against the Marlins, good luck, you're getting a
Speaker 4: lot of heat from them.
Speaker 5: Yeah you are, You are right made Casey hit the
Speaker 5: walk off home running game three of the season to
Speaker 5: complete the sweep. And this just goes against everything that
Speaker 5: I was that I thought I knew what they were
Speaker 5: gonna do. They were gonna stand pat minus a couple
Speaker 5: of sales, sort of like last year. But this is
Speaker 5: clearly a buying move, and I like to see this
Speaker 5: is a guy with plenty of years of control. So
Speaker 5: hence the quote unquote steep price. I think that aiden
Speaker 5: May loss hurts more than Norby one. No offense to
Speaker 5: Connor and with like, wow, wow, just two years ago
Speaker 5: this trade I was talking to someone about actually was
Speaker 5: talking to Ashley about this that two years ago, Norby
Speaker 5: was the big piece for All Star Trevor Rodgers and
Speaker 5: Kylestowers was the throwing and now Kyle Stowers is the
Speaker 5: one that's untouchable, the All Star home run hitter, and
Speaker 5: Norby is getting traded for some relievers while being in
Speaker 5: triple Jacksonville to be reunited with Troy Johnston. It's gonna
Speaker 5: be I like it. Miami really needed to show up
Speaker 5: that bullpen in a big way. I've heard rumblings. I
Speaker 5: think Josh Ecknes could be returning sometime soon, as soon
Speaker 5: as tomorrow. Perhaps Bender could be coming back a little
Speaker 5: bit in a little bit as well. So all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, you get three big new pieces to that bullpen.
Speaker 5: And so yeah, it's like three editions almost with just
Speaker 5: a price for one.
Speaker 1: So I like it.
Speaker 5: There was no avenue for Norby to be an everyday
Speaker 5: player up here. He really just cannot feel this position.
Speaker 5: He cannot play third base. He was a decent first baseman,
Speaker 5: but we all know that's not where he was going
Speaker 5: to be long term. They didn't really commit to trying
Speaker 5: him in the corner outfield spots. The bat looked okay
Speaker 5: at trible a Jacksonville, but we know, like Eli said,
Speaker 5: he's a way over qualified.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Boker, Balker to the Pirates, Boker to the Pirates.
Speaker 2: Oh and so my prediction slips away because that's four trades.
Speaker 1: They traded a reliever.
Speaker 2: Okay, so a few more minutes on vod Nick and
Speaker 2: especially the Norby side, a little bit more in the
Speaker 2: Norby side. This is now exactly two years essentially from
Speaker 2: when they acquired him from the Orioles and the Trevor
Speaker 2: Rodgers and the Kyle Stowers deal and that first couple.
Speaker 2: It was really the first month of Norby on the
Speaker 2: Marlins was everything they could have dreamed of, Like he
Speaker 2: was showing way more power than they thought he was.
Speaker 2: They moved him to third base, and like there were
Speaker 2: little glimpses that maybe would work, and then it was
Speaker 2: pretty much all downhill from there. Like there was a
Speaker 2: lot of injuries last year twenty twenty five, and he
Speaker 2: didn't hit nearly at the same level, and then this
Speaker 2: year there was I was reminding Kevin about this the
Speaker 2: other night. You know, he was on Unfiltered a few
Speaker 2: months ago because he was like a positive story. It
Speaker 2: looked like his approach was becoming more nuanced early in
Speaker 2: the year, even it wasn't like tapping into his power,
Speaker 2: he was drawing more walks in a way that thought,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe this is more sustainable, maybe to be
Speaker 2: a bounced back year. And then he seems to take
Speaker 2: well to first base defensively, it's like, maybe that's the
Speaker 2: best chance to find him a defensive home. And as
Speaker 2: it turns out, ironically, it's the guy that he was
Speaker 2: traded here with Wars, his close friend Stowars is the
Speaker 2: one that is now temporarily filled that first base void
Speaker 2: to Norby is down to triple A, playing a bunch
Speaker 2: of different positions, and he ends up going to a
Speaker 2: team in the Rockies that's gonna have plenty of playing
Speaker 2: time for him. I'm not sure at what position, but
Speaker 2: this is kind of the second time in a matter
Speaker 2: of months that there's been this sort of deal with
Speaker 2: Troy Johnson wants to Colorado as a waiver claim. So
Speaker 2: at least there's a little bit of value if you
Speaker 2: can buy Norby in May. So there's that. Coincidentally, a
Speaker 2: report right now from Ken Rosenthal that Trevor Rodgers from
Speaker 2: that same trade of a couple years that he's staying
Speaker 2: put with the Orioles through the deadline. So that's going
Speaker 2: to be when the he's going to head into free
Speaker 2: agency this offseason as a member of the Orioles. That'll
Speaker 2: be an interesting twist to it. So there's that, and
Speaker 2: you know, I'll go into Aiden May too, because I
Speaker 2: think I'm the high man on Aiden May among our
Speaker 2: not just in our top thirty, but pretty comfortably in there.
Speaker 2: Just an amazing breaking ball and much improved command this
Speaker 2: year as well, in what it was essentially his first
Speaker 2: full season in the miners because he missed a lot
Speaker 2: of time due to injury last season. I think he's
Speaker 2: really interesting. He's very likely going to be just a
Speaker 2: reliever at the big league level, and it's going to
Speaker 2: be an interesting experiment with him in Colorado because in Colorado,
Speaker 2: more so than anything, breaking balls are the ones that
Speaker 2: are adversely affected by those conditions. Like for a guy
Speaker 2: that is very reliant on that, it's not going to
Speaker 2: move the same and that's going to be an interesting
Speaker 2: thing for him to adapt to. But I think he
Speaker 2: can make it up to the majors relatively quickly as
Speaker 2: a reliever, potentially at some point before the ends of
Speaker 2: next year. So yeah, any other thoughts quick? Three prospects
Speaker 2: coming to mind me for Lake Baker. Okay, we'll get
Speaker 2: to that and just.
Speaker 1: Hold on.
Speaker 5: I'm going to say, but I can report now, but
Speaker 5: the Marlins are done.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: They're done. That's it.
Speaker 1: Okay, that stage. I like the move a lot, like
Speaker 1: a lot. I remember last year watching him pitch for Colorado,
Speaker 1: and this is guy I know that has struggled this year,
Speaker 1: but like Kevin noted, the whole era is very poor. Uh,
Speaker 1: He's a fastball slider guy, and the fastball's elite. I
Speaker 1: mean he'll sit one hundred, hit one hundred and one,
Speaker 1: throws gas and I think he's gonna be a perfect
Speaker 1: late inning option for twenty twenty seven. When you when
Speaker 1: you look at the future of this Marlin steam, you know,
Speaker 1: Victor Vodnick's upside, I believe is higher than someone like
Speaker 1: Lake Baker. You're gonna have Rodnie and Riquez, You've got
Speaker 1: your prospects coming in. I think it's a good addition.
Speaker 1: Aid in May, I also was high on Eli, but
Speaker 1: Connor norby this time in Miami was done. I think
Speaker 1: he can't hit. Can't hit, so maybe the Rockies can
Speaker 1: fix him. I don't know. They like their reclamation projects.
Speaker 1: Mickey moniac and you know, best of luck, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna work.
Speaker 4: Here island ground ball rate for Vodnik.
Speaker 5: So yeah, he doesn't for the for the stuff that
Speaker 5: he has, he doesn't generate a ton of strikeouts, which
Speaker 5: that seems like to be Peter spreadit million.
Speaker 1: That's what Sandy is a little bit and just round ball.
Speaker 1: We like to see it.
Speaker 5: It really gets me really horned up for the bullpen
Speaker 5: next year. I think this could be a little bit fun.
Speaker 5: All right, So this is this was a by definition,
Speaker 5: a hybrid deadline. As it turns out, when we thought
Speaker 5: it would just be a light sell off, it was
Speaker 5: more of a of a hybrid deadline, and that's something
Speaker 5: that we haven't seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's take a very quick, breather final ad
Speaker 2: that will play from Jessic Renzels and South Florida, and
Speaker 2: we'll come back. We'll talk about the Bocker trade and
Speaker 2: just final thoughts that digests what the Marlins did at
Speaker 2: this deadline. I'm glad that they were able to salvage
Speaker 2: it by making it an interesting one at the last
Speaker 2: possible day. So we'll hear from you in just a
Speaker 2: few moments.