WEBVTT - Part One: 2026 Miami Marlins Trade Deadline Countdown & Reaction Show

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Kyle Stowers and you're listening to Fish

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<v Speaker 1>on First.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to our Fish on First Live Trade Deadline special.

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<v Speaker 2>We're counting down to the deadline. We're taking you through

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<v Speaker 2>and we're reacting to what the Marlins do once the

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<v Speaker 2>dust settles. They've already done some stuff for us to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss and the hour leading up to the deadline. It's

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<v Speaker 2>Eli Susman here, the founder of FF. We're on the

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<v Speaker 2>Fish On First podcast, part of the Foul Territory Network

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<v Speaker 2>presented by jet Ski Rentals of South Florida. Got a

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<v Speaker 2>full house, I think one more than a full house

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<v Speaker 2>of lous is five. We got six to start this off.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be a beautiful mess. Kevin Barrell, Jeremiah Geiger,

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<v Speaker 2>Isaaca Zoo, Sean Miller, Nate Krsmer. I'm glad that Nate

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<v Speaker 2>was able to come off the il fresh off of

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<v Speaker 2>wisdom tooth removal surgery. So that's good timing there. And

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<v Speaker 2>I am Eli Sesman As I said again, Uh, we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna dive right into what the Marlins have done so

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<v Speaker 2>far and what this could still do in this hour

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<v Speaker 2>until the deadline. So two significant trade Yeah, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I'll call them both significant trades for this Marlins team. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>both that we're I guess expected in terms of the

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<v Speaker 2>players that removed from the Marlins, and we didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a great idea in terms of what these players were worth,

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<v Speaker 2>and now all of a sudden we do. We'll start

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<v Speaker 2>with Liam Hicks. We've talked about Liam Hicks, I think

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<v Speaker 2>on every single show these last couple of weeks, just

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<v Speaker 2>because he was a prototypical trade candidate for this Marlins team,

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<v Speaker 2>as a guy that has been squeezed kind of out

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<v Speaker 2>of position for this Marlins team but still such a

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<v Speaker 2>good hitter that he had a lot of value across

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<v Speaker 2>the league. Ends up going to the Tampa Bay Rays.

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<v Speaker 2>These teams have been frequent trade partners in recent years.

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<v Speaker 2>A trio of prospects coming back and Brayden Taylor, Adrian

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<v Speaker 2>Santana and Jacob Kissing Taylor and Santana being infielders, Kissing

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<v Speaker 2>being a right handed pitcher. We'll start off with Kevin.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Kevin, we talked a lot about Hicks, you

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<v Speaker 2>and I, and you accurately predicted him to get traded.

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<v Speaker 2>The Rays of in the team that have been connected

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<v Speaker 2>to the Marlins specifically on Hicks leaving uins to this deadline.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think about the return just to start.

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<v Speaker 3>There, for a little underwhelming for for someone like Hicks

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<v Speaker 3>who had that much of that much control remaining, and

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<v Speaker 3>for what the market was like for a catcher. The

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<v Speaker 3>only other catcher notable one that's been moved really is

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<v Speaker 3>is Rutchman. Before that, it was Ohppy, I guess most

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<v Speaker 3>recently Joey BArch just went to the White Sox so

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<v Speaker 3>but at the end of the day, you got three prospects,

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<v Speaker 3>two of them on the younger side, who you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Kissing seems pretty solid in terms of what at least

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<v Speaker 3>the numbers. And then Santana's on the young grand as well.

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<v Speaker 3>He's looked good so far in High A. Had to

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<v Speaker 3>play some rehab games at the Complex League I saw,

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<v Speaker 3>so there's some sort of he had some sort of

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<v Speaker 3>injury this season. Then Taylor is an interesting one. I know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not a lot of us weren't very thrilled when

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<v Speaker 3>that name went through, But yeah, at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the day, you know what, the Marlins did what they

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<v Speaker 3>had to do. I think this is the right move

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<v Speaker 3>to trade Hicks. They it was just a clog at

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<v Speaker 3>that d H spot with Also, you look at the

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<v Speaker 3>major league roster, the guys that were there, they still

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<v Speaker 3>believe in Gus. I'm assuming he'll get recalled if I

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<v Speaker 3>had to assume, So yeah, fine, return Bradon. Taylor's an

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<v Speaker 3>interesting the headliner of the trade obviously, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I could see him getting promoted to Triple A. He's

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<v Speaker 3>been good at Double A. He's repeating the level. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>see what you got right at this point. If the

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<v Speaker 3>Marlins have been very big on being aggressive in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of promotions, I could see him getting promoted to the

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<v Speaker 3>Triple A. That's that's what they would have to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh boy.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, a whole lot of opinions coming in on

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<v Speaker 2>the chat. Thank you immediately for everybody that's joining us

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<v Speaker 2>live on YouTube and on Twitter and Facebook. Got a

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<v Speaker 2>good crowd in there. We'll see all your comments and

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<v Speaker 2>uh yeah, a lot of mixed opinions that I think,

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<v Speaker 2>as you kind of identified there, it comes down to

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<v Speaker 2>how you feel about Taylor. Because using as one reference point,

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<v Speaker 2>Baseball America, it has none of these guys ranked as

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<v Speaker 2>one of the raised top thirty prospects. And you go

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<v Speaker 2>to pipeline and all three of them I believe cracked

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<v Speaker 2>the top thirty list, with Taylor kind of right in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle there. Taylor was. Fangrafts was the high outlet

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<v Speaker 2>on Taylor. I think at one point last year he

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<v Speaker 2>had them, he had them number three in the entire

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<v Speaker 2>race system, and that even now still relatively high up

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<v Speaker 2>there at their update when it came to earlier this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Now a look to Nate. Haven't heard from nad in

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<v Speaker 2>a while coming off of his procedure. So yes, specifically

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<v Speaker 2>on Taylor, this is a guy. What do you make

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<v Speaker 2>of him? The fact that his numbers had been awesome

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<v Speaker 2>this year? As Kevin noted, it's just it's repeating a

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<v Speaker 2>level though that he got his ass kicked frankly at

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<v Speaker 2>the double A level last year. So what do we

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<v Speaker 2>make of that? Trying to, you know, decipher those factors

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<v Speaker 2>where he's doing well. But how much can we really

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<v Speaker 2>take those numbers at face value just given the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that he had he went through this challenge the previous

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<v Speaker 2>year and frankly failed at it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but it was first announced, I was like, is

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<v Speaker 4>this really going to be the headliner for a guy

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<v Speaker 4>like Liam Mitz? I was pretty unsure and then it

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<v Speaker 4>comes in. So, uh yeah, Brent Taylor, I'm gonna be honest,

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<v Speaker 4>not too high on the guy, former first round pick.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously tore it up at TCU back in college.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you're in Double.

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<v Speaker 4>A for the third year in a row after dating,

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<v Speaker 4>like you said, you a pretty much dominated all of

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty five lists, I'm not you know, lose that

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<v Speaker 4>on complete oak for the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But I said it earlier.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, this is no offense at Bram Paully, but

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it's the floor and ceiling. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>similar to what brand PAULI gives you already, maybe a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit more pop, and he doesn't when you're repeating

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<v Speaker 4>a level, uh your third year as a pro coming

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<v Speaker 4>our college double A level and also a guy that's

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be Rule five eligible after after the season. So

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<v Speaker 4>if he doesn't show you much at this point, I

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<v Speaker 4>mean that they're probably don't protect him anyway up after

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<v Speaker 4>you getting him as a headliner in this hits deal.

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<v Speaker 4>But disappointed, but at the same time, you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>if that's if this is the best deal that Peter

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<v Speaker 4>bennan Stott and they don't really believe in hips to

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<v Speaker 4>move his value up after the season or throughout step

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<v Speaker 4>and half of the year. Obviously his power has some

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<v Speaker 4>down a little bit. I believe only has what three

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<v Speaker 4>homers since June and a lot of the numbers underneath

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<v Speaker 4>the hood and what that would either. So I trust

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<v Speaker 4>bend Its. If this is the time the deal, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>do it now. But I would probably prefer to see

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit of quality over quantity in this context

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<v Speaker 4>because all three of these guys and idro off the

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<v Speaker 4>site like Baseball America, especially after the fan drafts tragedy

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<v Speaker 4>of twenty twenty five, having Nathan Marrell a top five

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<v Speaker 4>in the Marlin system, that kind of destroyed them for me.

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<v Speaker 4>So not to please, but I think after the Braxton

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<v Speaker 4>trades one for one on the day and I'll have

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<v Speaker 4>to wait for the next hour.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, Sana and you long for Santanna, don't forget

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<v Speaker 3>top five process.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Fangres has had. They just have a very unorthodox

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<v Speaker 2>way of ranking prospects. Where I've said this before, I

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<v Speaker 2>really value their scouting reports. I do feel like they

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<v Speaker 2>come up with details about these players that are notable

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<v Speaker 2>that we should keep in minds when falling is just

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<v Speaker 2>the way that they actually prioritize them and come up

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<v Speaker 2>with future value has always been out of sync with

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<v Speaker 2>how it seems the rest of the industry and how

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<v Speaker 2>might myself personally actually values these players. So I don't

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<v Speaker 2>pay too much attention to those rankings, but they do

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<v Speaker 2>find interesting nuggets about these guys. Isaac, you have reported

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<v Speaker 2>that with Hicks gone, it was almost an either or

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<v Speaker 2>with him and Stowars, for example, and that the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that they were able to find a deal that it

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<v Speaker 2>found suitable for X means that Stowars is saying, can

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<v Speaker 2>you take us through quickly how serious you thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was that they might actually move stours and just elaborate

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<v Speaker 2>on the fact that why it is that he's now

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<v Speaker 2>they feel like it's more important to keep him around.

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<v Speaker 2>So now they've thinned out their left handed hitter pool

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 5>And even after doing that, they have so many left

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<v Speaker 5>handed bats still in the major league roster and ready

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<v Speaker 5>to contribute as soon as next year. But with star Wars,

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<v Speaker 5>I was told that I was told yesterday that it

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<v Speaker 5>was highly highly too highly unlikely unlikely that they would

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<v Speaker 5>trade both Hicks and star Wars, And I always felt

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<v Speaker 5>we always we all did. We always felt that it

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<v Speaker 5>made more sense to deal Hicks at this very at

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<v Speaker 5>this moment in time, rather than Stours. So once we

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<v Speaker 5>saw the Hicks trade go through, he just knew that,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, the Actioners were going to pivot somewhere else,

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<v Speaker 5>and they did.

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<v Speaker 2>They went to go get the multi.

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<v Speaker 1>Far show, and you know, it would be a tough look.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it'd be an easier decision to make if

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<v Speaker 5>they were fifteen games under or something, but they are

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<v Speaker 5>still in this playoff race, and to deal, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>two big pieces of your offense, it would be a

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<v Speaker 5>tough look for both PR and the Major League Baseball

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<v Speaker 5>side of things. So I think I like that the

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<v Speaker 5>way they went around things about things with the trade

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<v Speaker 5>off Hicks and with Stoars. That doesn't mean that he

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<v Speaker 5>won't get traded in the off season. They really do.

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<v Speaker 5>Like all their opertives that they have at Pensacola. They

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<v Speaker 5>think Cam is ready as of next year. They think

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<v Speaker 5>he's a top one hundred prospect. But I didn't think

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<v Speaker 5>it made a lot of sense of deal stars in

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<v Speaker 5>right now, and I'm glad they didn't. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 5>know it was never going to be both of them.

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<v Speaker 5>Now what's coming next is whether they trade a couple

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<v Speaker 5>of relievers or not. We saw they traded Brackson'll get

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<v Speaker 5>to that later, but yeah, it was always gonna be

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<v Speaker 5>one or the other. And I guess, like you guys

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<v Speaker 5>mentioned Star Wars is going to probably command a better return,

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<v Speaker 5>and I sort of a little bit agree with Nate

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<v Speaker 5>that it was a bit of an underwhelming return for Hicks,

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<v Speaker 5>as the Marlins announced that bit earlier today with a

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<v Speaker 5>Rob Rasmussen graphic rather than the correct players that initially, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Was pretty funny. But yes, it's going to be interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>Fifty forty nine minutes left until the deadline, which you'll

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<v Speaker 5>see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go to Sean, now, you did have an article

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<v Speaker 2>that's won't put it out right after the deadline about

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<v Speaker 2>just what the Marlins should do and shouldn't do at

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<v Speaker 2>the deadline in order to with respect to how they're

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<v Speaker 2>been competitive this season and how I think the win

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<v Speaker 2>that you were kind of looking at it is that

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<v Speaker 2>Liam Hicks would be like threading that needle where he

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<v Speaker 2>was a guy that potentially could be expendable and yet

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<v Speaker 2>you can still as long as it kept all the

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<v Speaker 2>other offensive pieces, starting pitchers, other core guys around him

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<v Speaker 2>that still feel pretty good about where they are. So

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<v Speaker 2>the dust hasn't settled yet. Maybe they do make a

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<v Speaker 2>pivot at the last moment that throws everybody off, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's actually is a big detriment to their competitive chances.

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<v Speaker 2>But would you say that, even though they've pipped them

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<v Speaker 2>for guys that aren't going to help the Marlins this year,

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<v Speaker 2>does that appropriately strike that balance between, you know, preparing

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<v Speaker 2>for the future and still leaving them enough behind to

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<v Speaker 2>stay in this wild card race, where as a reminder

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<v Speaker 2>one and a half games back of a playoff spot

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<v Speaker 2>as of this recording.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think it's you know again, it's right there

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<v Speaker 6>on the line. And a big part of it for

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<v Speaker 6>me is, you know, everything I had read going into this,

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<v Speaker 6>or a lot of what I had read you did

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<v Speaker 6>seem to indicate that they're kept alive, that possibility of

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<v Speaker 6>the MLB for MLB return, that the piece coming back

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<v Speaker 6>in a Hicks trade would be something you could see, at.

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<v Speaker 1>Least one of the things would be something.

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<v Speaker 6>You could see contributing towards you know, the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 6>six Marlins having that you know, slightly better chance of

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<v Speaker 6>competing just in terms of you know, yeah, any warm

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<v Speaker 6>body in the starting rotation, right and just you know

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<v Speaker 6>something you take, you know, take some bullets, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>take some pressure off that pen. And you know, I've

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<v Speaker 6>seen a lot about how Hicks is that you know

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<v Speaker 6>rule five, you know pick and then you know how

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<v Speaker 6>great it is that they're able to cash it on them.

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<v Speaker 6>So I mean, yeah, I view a real five pick

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<v Speaker 6>house money and house money. That's it's kind of what

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<v Speaker 6>you bet on black now, what you put in your

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<v Speaker 6>four oh one k. And I would have liked to

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<v Speaker 6>have seen you know that you know in that sense

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<v Speaker 6>you know something you know come back in the return

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<v Speaker 6>that again would have made immediately kind of a one

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<v Speaker 6>to one, you know, this team feel more competitive. So

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<v Speaker 6>I'm really hoping to before kind of deciding finally how

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<v Speaker 6>I feel about the trade, to see what happens in

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<v Speaker 6>the next you know, forty five minutes. What that ultimate

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<v Speaker 6>you know, roster spot replacement is that can come through

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<v Speaker 6>another deal. But that's the only piece off the big

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<v Speaker 6>league roster that is moved of you know, consequence that's

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<v Speaker 6>really helped the team get to this point. Then yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>I think they've towed that line. They got bought some

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<v Speaker 6>cover by the twelve game losing streak. Think amidst fans,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, buying crazy, buying big didn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 6>But also you know, but buying something, you know, to help.

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<v Speaker 6>I think what we've seen the name Nick Johnson mentioned

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<v Speaker 6>a lot Marlin's you know, socials over the last week.

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<v Speaker 6>The fact that was a watershed trade that a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of fans remember because the Marlins buy so seldom in

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<v Speaker 6>their history. Like, that's a problem. How many people remember

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<v Speaker 6>the Nick Johnson trade. But and so, while again buying

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<v Speaker 6>big didn't make sense, a chore and something like that

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<v Speaker 6>in the next hour, I don't think that's out of line,

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<v Speaker 6>and I don't think that would derail the marlins long

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<v Speaker 6>term plan that much to get well.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate to break it to everyone, but they're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to buy. They are not buying. They're not adding

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<v Speaker 3>to this roster they I think the most that will

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<v Speaker 3>end up happening is they could trade a reliever away

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<v Speaker 3>Fouchet Baker, whatever, one of those guys. I don't at

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<v Speaker 3>this point, I really see. I would be stunted the

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<v Speaker 3>trade Fairbanks. I thought that would have happened by now,

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<v Speaker 3>if anything, but they're not buying. I hate to say

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<v Speaker 3>it this, I think this team's fine without with what

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<v Speaker 3>they've got right now. I mean they've held up this long.

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<v Speaker 3>I know losing Hicks's sucks, but the way Conin has

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<v Speaker 3>been playing Casey's back, I'm assuming Gus will help them

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<v Speaker 3>out offensively, assuming he's the one getting recalled. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>they're in a fine spot. Like I can't. They would

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<v Speaker 3>have been terrible. I they would have traded both Hours

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<v Speaker 3>and Hicks Outus said then like all right, that's that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think the big way to look at it

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<v Speaker 3>is like we knew that going into this the Morrows

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<v Speaker 3>playoff chances we're gonna drop a little bit, but then

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna drop to zero. And that's what they've done.

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<v Speaker 3>And they've dropped a little bit, but they're not dropping

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<v Speaker 3>to zero, and you know they're still in it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>they could play with what they've got and I think

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<v Speaker 3>they're in a fine spot. Will they make it unlikely,

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<v Speaker 3>but they'll make it more interesting than they did last

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<v Speaker 3>year too, I think mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And they're naturally people that are very understandably enough

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<v Speaker 2>feel this way that if they're not explicitly making the

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<v Speaker 2>team better at the deadline despite being within striking distance,

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<v Speaker 2>and as we've covered on the show, they just are

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<v Speaker 2>not intimidating teams ahead of them in this wild card race,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it feels like the Marlins are within the margin

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<v Speaker 2>of error to potentially finish just as good as a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of teams that they're up against, whether it be

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<v Speaker 2>the Dbacks or the Padres or especially like the Pirates,

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<v Speaker 2>the car Ordinals are fading, the Nats have rapidly faded.

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<v Speaker 2>That the fact that it feels like they're closed and

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<v Speaker 2>they could make that marginallal move to get better. I

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<v Speaker 2>understand that. On the other side, what the organization is

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<v Speaker 2>going to echo is that they're all about one to

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<v Speaker 2>get back to October on a very consistent basis. So

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<v Speaker 2>the two sides of that one you can understand going

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<v Speaker 2>to be as sustainable as possible air quotes, but you

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<v Speaker 2>got to make it to October once before you actually

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<v Speaker 2>make it there consistently. And the fact that they're close

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<v Speaker 2>potentially to having a team that's good enough to do

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<v Speaker 2>it this year and not you know, making every effort

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<v Speaker 2>to get themselves over the hump. I can understand the

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<v Speaker 2>frustration about that. I want to go to Jeremiah. He's

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<v Speaker 2>been patiently waiting here about it's been alluded to. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what exactly does that mean for the Marlins backup

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<v Speaker 2>catching situation. I think we're going to find out relatively

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<v Speaker 2>soon for sure. But what would you do in this spot?

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<v Speaker 2>They've been having a three catcher set up for a

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<v Speaker 2>while now. Between Joe Mack Hicks has caught very sparingly,

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Navaretto has actually caught slightly more often than Hicks

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<v Speaker 2>has in recent weeks. What do you think that? Do do

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<v Speaker 2>you think they this is this is time to resurrect

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<v Speaker 2>Gus and give him another shot after being down at

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<v Speaker 2>Triple A for three plus months and send down Navretto?

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<v Speaker 2>Or are they going to continue to carry three catchers,

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<v Speaker 2>call up Gus and still keep Navaretto arounds a little bit?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they going to just expand Novretto's role? Is he

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<v Speaker 2>actually gonna play more often? Actually start once to two

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<v Speaker 2>times a week to fill that void? What would you

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<v Speaker 2>do in that situation? Because it's uh there, you can

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<v Speaker 2>make the argument a couple different ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like deja vous all over again. Right, we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about this last year, Marlin's in the three

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<v Speaker 1>catcher situation, and you kind of find yourself in this

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<v Speaker 1>exact same scenario. For me, I'm calling up Augustine Ramirez

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<v Speaker 1>and I am giving him a shot as a hitter,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to emphasize hitter. I'm done with him

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<v Speaker 1>as a catcher. I've been out on him for for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason. The organization still believes he can catch, and

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<v Speaker 1>they've been giving him opportunities at the Triple A level.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not working. Definition of insanity is doing the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like Hicks's time as a Marlin was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of coming to an end. You wanted to sell high.

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<v Speaker 1>You look at the the under the hood metrics, He's

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<v Speaker 1>he is out performing his expected stats significantly, especially expected

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<v Speaker 1>batting average. He doesn't hit the ball hard, not you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent like thrilled with the return, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it could have been worse. So I think Taylor's

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<v Speaker 1>a good prospect or intriguing to say the least. Santana

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<v Speaker 1>good contact skills. There's something to work with there. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for me, I'm calling up Augustine Ramirez and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to see Navaretto be the backup. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>see Augustine catch because the point of a backup catcher

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<v Speaker 1>typically is, you know, you want a guy that has defense,

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<v Speaker 1>And what's the point of Augustine catching Joe Mack, who's

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<v Speaker 1>so elite defensively if every few days he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be terrible back there? So at least Sarbaretto gives you

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<v Speaker 1>a safe floor defensively, And honestly, I'd want to see

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<v Speaker 1>Augustine get another chance to hit, stick him at DH,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe give him a first base glove, do something else.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, no more catcher for Gus.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll open up to the rest of you guys

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<v Speaker 2>before we go to break anybody. Where do you guys

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<v Speaker 2>stand on what this means for the non Joe mac

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<v Speaker 2>days behind the plate, on the days he's resting.

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<v Speaker 5>From what I've heard, they are going to call out

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<v Speaker 5>for mirrors and I'd be shocked if they'd call him

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<v Speaker 5>up to simply not catch at all. And he has

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<v Speaker 5>been catching every day at tripa A Jacksonville, despite basically

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<v Speaker 5>we were talking about earlier not improving whatsoever, in fact,

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<v Speaker 5>maybe getting a little worse behind the plate. But I

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<v Speaker 5>do think that they are reaching they are nearing the

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<v Speaker 5>end of that experiment, quote unquote, but I do foresee

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<v Speaker 5>them bringing him up just to have another right handed

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<v Speaker 5>power bat. It's just unfortunate that he really hasn't taken

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<v Speaker 5>off offensively the way we know he's capable of down there.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just been really a little bit of streakiness and

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<v Speaker 5>just an ops in the mid seven hundreds, which is fine,

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<v Speaker 5>and maybe when he gets called up he co'd really

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<v Speaker 5>turn it on again, but it's it's not a perfect

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<v Speaker 5>perfect time to call back up, but it does look

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<v Speaker 5>like that's what they're gonna do. Norby has also been

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<v Speaker 5>really hot, so you could see him get called up

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<v Speaker 5>at some point as well. So it's the good thing

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<v Speaker 5>about this is that they have plenty of plenty of

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<v Speaker 5>decent options to call up whenever they do need someone,

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<v Speaker 5>so that's something that they haven't been able to do

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<v Speaker 5>in the past.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're having the same conversation where it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to Gus's bat than we did when they first sent

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<v Speaker 3>him down. Right, if you remove him from the catching,

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<v Speaker 3>I really do think the bat will take off. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I think the expectation will be that gust will

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<v Speaker 3>catch when there's a lefty on the mount opposing lefty

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<v Speaker 3>on the mound. I think that's what that's what I've heard.

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<v Speaker 3>If assume he's the one that ends up getting called

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<v Speaker 3>up on Olaac just said he probably will. But I

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<v Speaker 3>truly think that if you put him at first and

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<v Speaker 3>have him DH and he's catching like two or three

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<v Speaker 3>times a month like the bat, I think could really

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<v Speaker 3>take off. And they needed to. They need it to

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<v Speaker 3>because now you traded your RBI, your RBI leader, you're

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<v Speaker 3>your run producer. One of the guys who honestly had

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<v Speaker 3>one of the better approaches on the team when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes to he had the low strike up percentage amongst

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<v Speaker 3>all catchers. He walked a decent bit like you need

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<v Speaker 3>Gus to really step up if he's the guy and

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<v Speaker 3>really start producing the runs, because even before he got

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<v Speaker 3>sent down he wasn't doing that. The power has kind

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<v Speaker 3>of come back a little bit in triple A, but

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<v Speaker 3>outside of that, he is still pounding the ball on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground and it's a high ground ball rate and

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<v Speaker 3>just hasn't been great offensively. It just hasn't been consistent.

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<v Speaker 3>I really think leaving fully the catcher stuff behind and

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<v Speaker 3>just focusing as a DH first baseman. I know overall

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<v Speaker 3>it'll really drop down his value as a player, but

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<v Speaker 3>if he could hit man who cares, right, That's how

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<v Speaker 3>I see it. I still think he'll catch, but I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think it'll be full time anymore. I see it

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like Ben Rice with the Yankees. I know

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<v Speaker 3>he hasn't caught this year, but I think last year

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<v Speaker 3>ended up catching a couple games here and there because

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<v Speaker 3>of need more than because he's good at it, or

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<v Speaker 3>because you know, they still want to do that. But

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<v Speaker 3>that's what I could see with Gus and Ben Rice's

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<v Speaker 3>bat is really taken off. So not saying that Gus

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<v Speaker 3>will take off the same way, but something similar wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>hurt that point.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like, what's what's the point of even throwing

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<v Speaker 1>him behind the plate at all? Like, if it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be so.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd rather have Brian Novaretto who offensively off Yeah no, no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, but offensively Brian Elvarretto is a nobody, but

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<v Speaker 3>but not not entirely. You don't have to, you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have a nobody offensively behind them in the lineup.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd raither have.

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<v Speaker 3>Gus, who's a shitty defensive catcher and could hit.

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<v Speaker 1>The Marlins games. Navaretto is not going to cost the

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<v Speaker 1>Marlins a game defensive.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know. You don't know that, you don't know that.

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<v Speaker 3>There is multiple times I'm not disagreeing with you. Yes

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<v Speaker 3>that's true, but you're telling me Novaretto is perfect. He's not.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not saying he's a backup catcher Marlins Jeff.

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<v Speaker 3>Mat Brian Brian Navaretto is not a major leaguer.

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<v Speaker 2>Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is that.

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<v Speaker 5>The fact that Joe mack is such an elite defensive catcher,

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like that changes the way that the Martins

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<v Speaker 5>look at their backup position for EA, Like when they

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<v Speaker 5>have a good catcher as or starting catcher that's not

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<v Speaker 5>great defensively, Yes, there's a lot of value to have

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<v Speaker 5>a Jeff mathis never Retto type, But when Joe macki

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<v Speaker 5>is as the leite as he is, then maybe you

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<v Speaker 5>look at a little bit differently.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what the right answer is.

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<v Speaker 5>I think both players are immensely flawed, and I thought

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<v Speaker 5>Hicks was a perfect medium between the two of them.

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<v Speaker 5>But I still see why they traded him. But you know,

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<v Speaker 5>arguing about who's shittier. Come on, what are you doing here?

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<v Speaker 3>We got other stuff to work talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I find a word on this part of

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<v Speaker 2>the thinking going into Hicks trade and why there's some

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<v Speaker 2>fit logically for Gus even as a catcher, even if

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<v Speaker 2>we have to close our eyes when watching him behind

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<v Speaker 2>the blade, is that it's currently set up between Hicks

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<v Speaker 2>and Mac when you're facing a left handed pitcher. That's

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<v Speaker 2>they were getting no offense on either. There was no

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<v Speaker 2>good solution both of those guys low five hundreds ops

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<v Speaker 2>against lefties, Hicks and Mac this season. For as good

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<v Speaker 2>as Mac has been, that's been the one main flaw

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<v Speaker 2>in his game, and Hicks has been just as bad

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<v Speaker 2>this year. I think it's going under the radar, Like

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<v Speaker 2>how ineffective Hicks was as a hitter as well when

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<v Speaker 2>he was facing lefties and guz. The only thing that

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<v Speaker 2>he did well at the major league level this year

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<v Speaker 2>before gang sent down was hit against right He hit

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<v Speaker 2>against lefties, raking against lefties, and he's still done that

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<v Speaker 2>to a good extend in Triple A and the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that he's done at the big leagues for parts of

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<v Speaker 2>two seasons gives you confidence it will work over there.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's kind of the bouncing act that you do

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<v Speaker 2>in nov Retto. Frankly, even though he does the platoon

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<v Speaker 2>advantage against lefties, you don't trust him whatsoever in that role,

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<v Speaker 2>given that he has an extensive track record that just

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<v Speaker 2>shows that offensively, he's not gonna give you much anything.

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<v Speaker 2>He can't count on it.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a glorified coach man. He's a glorified coach. That's

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<v Speaker 3>if you're telling me, if anyone thinks this man is

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<v Speaker 3>a viable catcher.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I never said he was valuable.

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<v Speaker 3>You You just you argued you'd rather have him up

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<v Speaker 3>over Gus.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, I said I would rather Navarreto catch over Gus.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, no, ship.

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<v Speaker 1>As a d H full time I'm ready to not happening.

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<v Speaker 3>I can promise you right now that's not what's not happening.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what has to happen. It won't.

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<v Speaker 3>It won't.

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<v Speaker 2>So it'll be time to circle back to this and

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<v Speaker 2>so well, at the other side of the breakway, it

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<v Speaker 2>gets to this practicing Garriretrade as well, even the smaller

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<v Speaker 2>in scale but surprisingly comparable return on the prospect side.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to get into that and everything else,

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<v Speaker 2>And we were back here on FLF Live a very

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<v Speaker 2>spirited conversation about the first trade that the Marlins maintenance ratifications.

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<v Speaker 2>The second trade is official as well. Braxton Garrett gone

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<v Speaker 2>after more than ten years in the Marlins organization, former

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<v Speaker 2>first round draft pick, former postseason starter for this Marlin

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<v Speaker 2>and seemed just three years ago, really too less than

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<v Speaker 2>three years ago, and a guy that we just hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>seen very much at the major league level since then,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly this year, and we've had plenty of conversations about

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<v Speaker 2>that and the team's reluctance to use him at the

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<v Speaker 2>big league level this year despite having a pretty apparent

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<v Speaker 2>need for starting pitching even at this moment. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>just dive in into this first about glad Isaaca, just

0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:11.320
<v Speaker 2>about the fact that Brax was used, and I would

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 2>say underused the way that he was this year, only

0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:16.640
<v Speaker 2>pitching seven endings at the big league leveble of this year,

0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 2>and of course those two mediocre starts did very well

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<v Speaker 2>in TRIAA, but as they needed starting pitchers and they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even give him a shot even though he was

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<v Speaker 2>crushing it in Jacksonville.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they got more than I would have suspected, especially

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<v Speaker 5>since his last couple starts in Triple A weren't phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 5>But we got to give Braxie Flowers. This was a

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<v Speaker 5>first overall pick back in twenty sixteen. You mentioned it,

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<v Speaker 5>ten years in the organization, and he really contributed an

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<v Speaker 5>insane amount more than I thought he would, to be

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<v Speaker 5>honest with you. Multiple elbow surgeries for the guy. He

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<v Speaker 5>debuted in twenty twenty, contributed to their twenty twenty three

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:54.239
<v Speaker 5>playoff run. He was actually their number two starter in

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<v Speaker 5>the Wildcard Series in Philadelphia and one of the nicer

0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.520
<v Speaker 5>guys in the entire organization. So to see him go

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<v Speaker 5>to a really fun situation in Wrigley Field with the Cubs,

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<v Speaker 5>and yeah, they clearly had a couple of motives in

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<v Speaker 5>keeping him down. One they just did not want to

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<v Speaker 5>risk calling him back up and him gets shelld one

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<v Speaker 5>more time, and then all of his value gets diminished. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 5>apparently he still had some value, so that was good

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<v Speaker 5>to see, and I think they just thought the command

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<v Speaker 5>was never going to return, and it seemed to be

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 5>that seems to be the case. Hopefully the Cubs can

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<v Speaker 5>fix him a little bit, wanting to get more velocity,

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<v Speaker 5>but the breaking ball is still there. Latando pictures are

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<v Speaker 5>always valuable, and I think he has some sort of

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<v Speaker 5>role with the Cubs come October. Hopefully the Cubs won't

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<v Speaker 5>be in October because that means the Marlins will be

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<v Speaker 5>in it. But should Miami not make it, in favor

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<v Speaker 5>of the Cubs, I'll be rooting for Brax.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of us shared these sentiments from

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<v Speaker 2>LMF about Brax as a human being off the field

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<v Speaker 2>and the guy that did all the right things. There

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<v Speaker 2>was some interesting reporting from Barry Jackson The Herald earlier

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<v Speaker 2>today about how the Marlins were wanted him to really

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<v Speaker 2>prioritize adding velocity. This is a guy that's always had

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<v Speaker 2>below average v low even for a lefty, and wanted

0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 2>him to make some significant adjustments in terms of his

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 2>training and his pitch usage, and that they were kind

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 2>of butting heads about that, and that may have been

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<v Speaker 2>part of the factor in terms of why it is that,

0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 2>despite the results he was getting at Triple A, didn't

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 2>get that other opportunity. But to Kevin, I guess a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more about the prospects they got in return here,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'll just there's no way to sugarcoat it. I

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:25.160
<v Speaker 2>was wrong on Practice's value. I underestimated how much value

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:27.239
<v Speaker 2>he would have. I thought, as a twenty eight year

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:29.159
<v Speaker 2>old he's about to turn twenty nine, beating up on

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:31.479
<v Speaker 2>Triple A competition. I didn't think that would do anything

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 2>for his value. And yet pitching is apparently just extremely

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.400
<v Speaker 2>important on this market at this time of year, even

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:40.480
<v Speaker 2>guys that haven't shown that they could pitch in the

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:43.400
<v Speaker 2>majors effectively for a while. And they get a guy

0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:45.399
<v Speaker 2>and Jonathan Long that we could be seeing really soon

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:47.400
<v Speaker 2>at the big league level. They get a second piece

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 2>as well, that was comfortably in the cub's top thirty prospects.

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<v Speaker 2>So to get those two, to guess a return that's

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<v Speaker 2>like surprisingly similar to what they got for Hicks, that

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<v Speaker 2>some credit goes to the front office, I guess, even

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<v Speaker 2>though they didn't clearly didn't have faith or want him

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<v Speaker 2>really part of their big league team. Frankly, at least

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 2>other contending teams did, and the Cubs ended up having

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 2>to pay quite a bit to get him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, two top thirty guys according to Pipeline, which honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>you're right. I had no clue they would actually get

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<v Speaker 3>this for him. When I saw the trade went through,

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:23.639
<v Speaker 3>I figured it maybe be like a prospect or like

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<v Speaker 3>a player to be named later, But they got a

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 3>lot more than I figured. And I think that the

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 3>track record and what he's done before, and he does

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.919
<v Speaker 3>have some playoff experience and all that does play, I

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 3>guess a factor in what they think, and that maybe

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<v Speaker 3>going to another organization gives him a fresh start, and

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 3>he's going to one that's in the middle of a

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 3>postseason race, so you know, wishing him nothing but the

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 3>best there. But yeah, Jonathan long and know was a

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 3>guy that a lot of Marlins fans and Marlin's Twitter

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<v Speaker 3>was very happy to see on his way to Miami.

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<v Speaker 3>Sixteenth rank prospect in Baseball America. I think he's number

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:59.280
<v Speaker 3>ten on pipeline. So that's a guy who could potentially

0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:02.480
<v Speaker 3>see some big league time. We'll see if that that

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 3>ends up being the case. Then Chase Beck is another

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 3>guy who provided some depth into their relief or to

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 3>their relievers. If the Momins end up trading a reliever

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 3>in the next thirty twenty nine minutes, maybe he gets

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 3>a call up at some point during the season, or

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 3>he joins the team in Atlanta. He has yet to

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 3>debut at the big league level, but you know, he's

0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 3>a guy that could definitely help. And yeah, it's a

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 3>fine trade, nothing crazy. The fact that they got two

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 3>players in return, to top two ranked prospects in return,

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 3>I think just is good enough for me. Jonathan Long

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:34.560
<v Speaker 3>hopefully see sometime that the big leage. Both of them

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:36.200
<v Speaker 3>should honestly see some time at the big league level

0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 3>at some point this season. A little higher on Long,

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.680
<v Speaker 3>but it's it's a risk that the Cubs are taking

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 3>the one that they can take because they they had

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 3>the system to do it. And yeah, you know, solid acquisition.

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah I'm higher as well, But I just want to

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.480
<v Speaker 4>talk about Chase Beck. I mean, this guy's an absolute

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 4>monster was he six nine, two hundred. The Cubs signed

0:29:57.240 --> 0:29:59.320
<v Speaker 4>him an undrafted or not undrafted as a minor league

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:02.640
<v Speaker 4>free agent in November and honestly hasn't shown much. He's

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 4>been up and down between Triple A and Double a

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 4>I've got a three ram double a Knoxville right now.

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 4>But I'm just really excited to see what the Marlins

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 4>Pitcheon development can do with this guy. I mean, let's

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 4>see that there's a lot of untapped potential there. I

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 4>know we had a little bit of a lossity spike

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 4>this year, so potentially seeing upper nine from this guy,

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 4>maybe a little at a little offspeed pitch or refine

0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 4>what he has already. But in terms of just guys

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm excited about. Obviously, I feel like launch a safer guy,

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 4>but a six nine diction out of the bullpen never

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 4>fun to face for anyone. So Jase Beck, we will

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 4>be tuned into you, my man.

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 2>A little commentary. They'll flash on the screen from Alex Carver.

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<v Speaker 2>People in the chat wondering where is Carver? Where is Carver?

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 2>I think he'll join us at the end of the show.

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 2>But he is still falling along with this stuff, and

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 2>he's excited about Jase Peck as well, for the reasons

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>that Nate highlighted very rare size of course, and the

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 2>fact that his strikeout rate this year extremely impressive. He

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 2>is an older player relative to his level, just turned

0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:58.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty six years old, so that has to be taken

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 2>into consideration. But those strikeout numbers really are eye popping,

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 2>over a third of the batters that he's faced over

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 2>all this year between double A and triple A. Not

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 2>on the forty men roster yet, doesn't need to be

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 2>an imminent call up candidate, but could be a guy

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:12.960
<v Speaker 2>that you see before the end of the year because

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't have a whole lot more to develop down there.

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:17.320
<v Speaker 2>But you get a little more on Long from Jeremiah

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 2>because I know you've been on him since the offseason

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 2>as a guy that you thought would be interesting for

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.720
<v Speaker 2>the Marlins. So just a little bit more about why

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 2>it is that you'd think he's going to be successful

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 2>at the next level as a guy that's really hammering

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 2>on the door for a call up. And it's pretty

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:33.719
<v Speaker 2>convenient that he's also a righty bat as well. We

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 2>were talking about how this team is a little slanted

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 2>in terms of being overly left handed, and they send

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 2>out Hicks and now they bring in Long, So even

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 2>if they're not exactly one for one as the same

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 2>player like Long could wind up whether it's the end

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 2>of this year or next year, he'd be getting a

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 2>lot of the at bats that Hicks had and just

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 2>be a more complimentary piece because of his handedness.

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm really excited for this move, and I gotta

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 1>agree with you at ELI. This shocks me that the

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 1>two the Marlins got four Brax and Garrett was this

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>solid because not only was Garrett not pitching super consistently

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>in his two starts in Miami, and then he had

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 1>a couple of really bad outings that could have tanked

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 1>his value, he was pitching in the miners all year.

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 1>So the Marlins made out really well with this one.

0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Long is a guy I've been high on. I

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:23.960
<v Speaker 1>was thinking about acquiring him potentially in an Edward Cabrera

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>deal this offseason, and they didn't get that done. But

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Long is He's got a lot of qualities you want

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.120
<v Speaker 1>to see from a hitter if you're the Marlins. He's

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 1>got plus power, plus contact, good approach Defensively, It's kind

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 1>of like a first base type. But you know, when

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>you really think about the situation for Miami, that's not

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 1>the worst thing in the world. They don't have a

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>ton of first base prospects coming up, so I think

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Long has nothing left to prove in Miami. So when

0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>we talk about a major league for or not proven trip,

0:32:58.080 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Lash'd say I think he needs to be in Miami

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 1>as soon as possible. When we talk about major league

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 1>for major league swap, this is kind of that scenario

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>because long there's nothing left to prove, he's still hating

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 1>consistently really good approach. He's not going to not going

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>to strike out a ton, I hope not. That's that's

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 1>a concern a little bit with his swing and miss,

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:23.040
<v Speaker 1>but overall I like the move. And then to second

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 1>what you guys are saying about Jase Beck. This guy

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>could be a major league believer, throw so hard and

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 1>such an intimidating presence on the mound. So get those

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 1>two players for Braxton Garrett. At this point in Garrett's career,

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 1>you gotta walk away thinking the Marlins feel really good

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 1>about this.

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:44.320
<v Speaker 2>M H couldn't resist pulling up this comment. I know

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 2>that think as Einhorn falls us closely on all we do.

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 2>And remember is that Carver rants from the deadline last year.

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 2>In this case the Morens, I guess you could say

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>that Fairbanks is the closest comp to that as a

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:57.240
<v Speaker 2>pending free agent who was doing well, right before the dental.

0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 2>We'll get to that in a moment.

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 3>You trade him for something, guys, right, him for something

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 3>for anything? Literally anything, guys.

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Well we're speaking twenty three and a half minutes before

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 2>the deadline year the Marnins I made those two trades

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 2>combined five prospects they get in return. I think we

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 2>generally feel that Long is the one that is the

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.479
<v Speaker 2>quote best of those, but we've seen through the years

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:22.879
<v Speaker 2>that these stuff can go in pretty improbable directions one

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:25.120
<v Speaker 2>way or the other. I guess we'll take a quick

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 2>breather here. Just there's been a lot of moves around

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 2>the league, So I'll go to Sean first. Anything that

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.239
<v Speaker 2>catches your eyes specifically today, just to keep it as

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 2>current as possible. That a move, a non Marlins move

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 2>that really caught your attention today that you have a

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 2>take about.

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:46.759
<v Speaker 6>Probably just what the Red Sox had to pay for

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 6>Rushman was surprising. Yeah, Yeah, that's definitely a player high

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 6>used to be pretty high on. I think his stars

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 6>dimmed a bit, and it seem like a big overpay

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 6>on the Red Sox part. So that's wanted to struck

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 6>me the most. I never want to see and beyond

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.759
<v Speaker 6>that then just everyone else in the N East race,

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 6>you know, doing you know, little things to you know,

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:13.760
<v Speaker 6>improve whether that was you know, the Philly is adding

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 6>a player near and dear to all of our hearts

0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 6>or on some level, or you know the Braves, you

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 6>know making moves as well. That's just never never want

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:25.240
<v Speaker 6>to see the other division contenders on, you know, tinkering.

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 6>But the big standout today was Rushman. And then there

0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 6>was that thing that happened that happened the other day

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:40.920
<v Speaker 6>in baseball.

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Talk about that.

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Everybody's moved on now, everybody is catching up to the Dodgers.

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:45.279
<v Speaker 2>They've shot their bullet with that two time defending Sight

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Young Award winner. Now keeping it in the present, wellout,

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 2>You need anything else going around the league that you

0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 2>found interesting?

0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:56.839
<v Speaker 4>Marlins related, well, I guess right now it doesn't really

0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:58.640
<v Speaker 4>mean much to anyone here, but the fact that the

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 4>Twins are buying what is just their year. They just

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:02.799
<v Speaker 4>got Jeff Hoppin from the Blue Jays. I don't know

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 4>what in the hell is combined compelling them to buy,

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 4>especially in their current city and a stacked division like

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 4>the Al Central. But hey Man, when he got a

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 4>chance to go for it in the al, especially in

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 4>a year like this, and you do so honestly, not

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 4>too much obviously, the Brave stacking up on drislate Lane

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 4>Thomas and that was yesterday, and the Phillies didn't Luise Arrives, who,

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:23.400
<v Speaker 4>as Eli noted earlier, obviously, one of the most iconic

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:25.719
<v Speaker 4>moments of this decade was him getting that cycle at

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 4>Citizens Bank Park three years ago. So not going to

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:30.160
<v Speaker 4>be fun to face the Phillies, at least to Morrowins

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 4>took care of them, so I believe they only have

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 4>one more trip to Philly this year and then they're

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:37.359
<v Speaker 4>done until the postseason of course. So yeah, not too

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 4>much Outside of that. The Yankees just getting Elliott Ramos.

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:41.800
<v Speaker 4>Hopefully they don't make a lot of moves. I'm not

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.439
<v Speaker 4>a big fan of the Yankees anyway, so if Brian

0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 4>Cashman conte on his hands and not making anything else,

0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:48.879
<v Speaker 4>I'll be fine. But yeah, pretty much like what Seahn

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:52.000
<v Speaker 4>said that Ali Rushman deal Man, you feel honestly gutted

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:53.879
<v Speaker 4>for Orioles fans. One of my close friends a big

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:56.359
<v Speaker 4>Orioles fan. They had to sit through what those late

0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 4>twenty tens years of pure misery. Finally, got the first

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:01.360
<v Speaker 4>overall pick, and then they, you know, go to the playoffs,

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 4>batch at years and stink it up, and they're probably

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:05.440
<v Speaker 4>gonna be right back to square one soon enough. So

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 4>it's brutal, but that's baseball. So hopefully, I don't know,

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 4>one of these days and then the level turn for them.

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 5>I would love to have Alex Carr on the show

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 5>because I'd love to know his thoughts on the Orios trade. Yeah,

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 5>it's a great addition, but just the amount of shifting

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 5>they're gonna have to do defensively just to fit him in,

0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 5>and he's not exactly a fantastic defender. He is this year,

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:26.759
<v Speaker 5>but it just feels so they're going out of their

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:28.440
<v Speaker 5>way to add someone when they could have just simply

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:30.600
<v Speaker 5>added an outfielder, because that's pretty much what they needed.

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:33.359
<v Speaker 5>Dave Dombrowski had me scratching my head a little bit

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 5>on that one, like he's a great complimentary piece, but

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:38.919
<v Speaker 5>to put Harper back in right field, which is looking

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:41.799
<v Speaker 5>like what they're gonna do. He already he did something

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 5>that I thought was super admirable, which has moved first base,

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:46.400
<v Speaker 5>and now you're gonna put him back in right field,

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 5>you know, I guess temporary situation. I'm not a huge

0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 5>fan of that move. For Philadelphia. Rise is a great hitter.

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:54.839
<v Speaker 5>It's gonna play very well in that ballpark, or maybe

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:56.719
<v Speaker 5>not because the corners are really the corner outfields, or

0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 5>it's really shallow, not a lot of room for a

0:37:58.560 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 5>dumb fly balls anymore.

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 1>So we'll see that one was a little bit strange

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:01.799
<v Speaker 1>for me.

0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Just in the last few minutes. Then that's making another

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:11.799
<v Speaker 2>selling move, selling Foster Griffin having an amazing debut season

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 2>in the majors after being successful overseas, and they catch

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 2>him in for four prospects from the Guardians organization elsewhere.

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 2>With the Giants move that they made, they're sending Eric Miller,

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 2>a lefty reliever from Marcelo Meyer who was very high

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 2>up on top prospect lists just a year and a

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 2>half ago and very quickly fell out of favor in

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:32.799
<v Speaker 2>Boston behind a lot of other position players they have here.

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:35.040
<v Speaker 2>I was surprised to see that they were willing to

0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 2>sell that low on his value, given that how highly

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 2>regarded he was a very short time ago, So that

0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:43.239
<v Speaker 2>was surprising. I thought he still had more value than

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:46.840
<v Speaker 2>that at this moment. So that really caught my eye too,

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 2>and as also just the general principle of the Twins buying.

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.399
<v Speaker 2>As Nate mentioned, the fact that last year they were

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:57.000
<v Speaker 2>the biggest seller in the entire market, Like this old

0:38:57.160 --> 0:38:59.320
<v Speaker 2>forty percent of their roster last year at the deadline,

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 2>and this year good enough and a weak al central

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 2>to feel that they can go for it and put

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 2>some more money on the books that they'd just taken

0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 2>off the previous year. I guess yeah. We'll address a

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:12.719
<v Speaker 2>couple more interesting questions I saw in the chat going

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:16.359
<v Speaker 2>back to Marlins related stuff before we move forward on here.

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 2>The one that I saw that I really liked was

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.000
<v Speaker 2>about the pitch calling from the dugout and the fact

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:23.920
<v Speaker 2>that Hicks is now going I was thinking about this

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:26.840
<v Speaker 2>ramification too, about how it is that that impacts the

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 2>way that Marlins catchers are valued. The Marlins are the

0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 2>one team that is exclusively calling pitches from the dugout

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:35.400
<v Speaker 2>this year, and that's generally gone. Well, it just means

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:39.280
<v Speaker 2>that it takes a responsibility largely off of the catcher's played,

0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's done by the coaching staff and the dugout itself.

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:44.279
<v Speaker 2>So the fact that Hicks most of his major league

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:46.879
<v Speaker 2>experience has now been in that role because they started

0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:49.160
<v Speaker 2>doing it last year a little bit at the end

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 2>of the season and now all of this year, so

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:54.719
<v Speaker 2>that Hicks hasn't done very much traditional pitch calling at

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 2>the major league level during the course of his career,

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 2>so I think that may have been a into it

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:03.319
<v Speaker 2>as well. I don't know any of you guys if

0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:06.320
<v Speaker 2>you have thoughts on that. The fact that Marlin's catchers

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:11.120
<v Speaker 2>are being used differently and being more specialized than others

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 2>at different positions, that could be part of the reason

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 2>maybe why it is that he went for less than

0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 2>we thought he would on paper.

0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:21.440
<v Speaker 3>You kind of mentioned it. He did call normal pitches

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:25.279
<v Speaker 3>last year as early as last year, so and he's

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 3>done this in the minor leagues before. Like at the

0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 3>end of the day, he's still the one, I guess

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 3>in putting the pitch on the pitch coom thing. The

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.799
<v Speaker 3>only difference is like he's the one that's just gonna

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:37.760
<v Speaker 3>call it I do, And he's kind of been pretty

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 3>adamant about like it's not that big of a difference.

0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:41.279
<v Speaker 3>It's just him looking to the side, looking at the

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 3>call and then calling it. I may shave off like

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:47.480
<v Speaker 3>another second now, you know, like you know, gives them

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:49.399
<v Speaker 3>a little more time to do it. I'm sure they

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:51.560
<v Speaker 3>spoke about this and this was asked or this was

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:54.640
<v Speaker 3>part of the deal, or you know, the conversations. But

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:56.879
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you know that's not going to be that

0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:58.640
<v Speaker 3>big of a deal. He did this last year too,

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 3>with the same organization, so I'm not too worried about it.

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 3>And the Rays are quite the innovative organization themselves, so yeah,

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:06.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm not too worried.

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:09.839
<v Speaker 6>I think it's hard to get a read on. Just

0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:12.360
<v Speaker 6>like you mentioned Marlins catchers overall, it's like if you

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 6>take kicks out of it, then the error bars are

0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:17.560
<v Speaker 6>so extreme with the other Marlin catchers, and you one end,

0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:20.439
<v Speaker 6>you have Joe Mack who, like everyone in the game

0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 6>degree is one of the best catchers in the game,

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 6>and then there's Augustine Ramirez, who is everyone would degree

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 6>is one of the worst catchers defensively and major League

0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:30.320
<v Speaker 6>Baseball at the other end of the specsion.

0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:32.080
<v Speaker 1>So it's a little hard too.

0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:34.960
<v Speaker 6>I feel like you do the math on that, I would,

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<v Speaker 6>but you know, personally, I would think there is a

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 6>bit of a hit, but not enough to really move

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:42.400
<v Speaker 6>the needle in a I think a major way in

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<v Speaker 6>a transaction.

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<v Speaker 2>M Yeah. Aside from that, I think it was noted

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 2>that the Marlins haven't played the Cubs at all this year,

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:53.319
<v Speaker 2>so assuming Brax is part of their pitching staff, there

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:56.200
<v Speaker 2>is a chance, multiple chances for a revenge game of

0:41:56.320 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 2>sorts between him and them before the end of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>One that as a more legit revenge angle too. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just given what we've learned through Barry Jackson's reporting and

0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 2>what we could have observed from the far, the fact

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:08.880
<v Speaker 2>that he was a guy that was so deserving of

0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:11.359
<v Speaker 2>getting some sort of opportunity based on performance and didn't

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 2>get it, and now the Cubs to some extent will

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:15.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's been like confirmed that he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be in their rotation right away and have a

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 2>permanent about the rest of the year. He's gonna to

0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:22.200
<v Speaker 2>earn it. He could still be optioned down to Triple

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 2>A for the time being, and the Cubs might There's

0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 2>still a few minutes left for the Cubs to make

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<v Speaker 2>other additions there that bump him further down the depth chart.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they acquired goss They're acquired Gossman and I think

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:35.840
<v Speaker 3>they acquired another starter, so so they've added starting pitching

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:38.799
<v Speaker 3>through the steadline, so and you still have Cabrera, who's

0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:40.439
<v Speaker 3>on the eye. I believe he's coming back. They stope

0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 3>some guys are coming back from injury. So maybe Brax

0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 3>for the time being does slip into the rotation or

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.759
<v Speaker 3>they think he may be better in the bullpen. Who knows.

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:51.799
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, Braxa is not by any means. I think

0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:55.400
<v Speaker 3>a shured a spot on the rotation, they would be

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 3>really bad. I would feel terrible for him if he

0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:59.080
<v Speaker 3>gets acquired, he finally feels like he's going to get

0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:01.160
<v Speaker 3>called up and he just to go what to Iowa.

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:03.359
<v Speaker 3>That's where their Triple A affiliate is. That's even worse

0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 3>than Jacksonville. Yeah, not fun.

0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 4>I don't think Braston has one angry bone in his

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:12.760
<v Speaker 4>body to have like any type of like revenge outated

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 4>of to Marlands, So I'm not really too worried about that.

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Also like this regime that he really wasn't around for

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<v Speaker 3>too much, So yeah, I guess so.

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:22.799
<v Speaker 4>I think that heard more than anything is the fact

0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 4>that he was an old regime guy and then with

0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:26.719
<v Speaker 4>the Benet regime and that that was the name on

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:29.480
<v Speaker 4>his troph and I think mm hmmm, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So just fifteen minutes to go to the deadline, and

0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 2>as usual, there's news that trickles out even after the

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 2>deadline passes, so we will stay on there a little

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<v Speaker 2>Right back to Kevin, do you think the marls might

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:03.399
<v Speaker 2>not be done yet?

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 3>They may have one more in them, That's.

0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 2>All I know, Well, just reckless speculation. Who do we

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:13.920
<v Speaker 2>think it could be? From my personal take is that

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:17.680
<v Speaker 2>have to be somebody on the reliever side. This team that,

0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:21.560
<v Speaker 2>as we've discussed, so it's a front office that is

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 2>not going to is willing to trust its ability to

0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:28.399
<v Speaker 2>develop guys to make pretty radical changes. In a short

0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:30.680
<v Speaker 2>amount of time and sell high on guys that do

0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:32.439
<v Speaker 2>improve quite a bit in a short amount of time

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:34.439
<v Speaker 2>as well, so that there's a few candidates that fit

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:36.960
<v Speaker 2>check that box. Then on the other end of the spectrum,

0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 2>there is the one pending free agent on this team.

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:42.399
<v Speaker 2>There's Pete Fairbanks, who is had a very volatile year

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:44.040
<v Speaker 2>and I thought just a few weeks ago he was

0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of a lost causes a trade candidate, but he's

0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 2>performed so well. Just hope for his last five appearances

0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:51.440
<v Speaker 2>to kind of bring himself into consideration. Another guy that

0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:56.359
<v Speaker 2>we've discussed as a group, and I think from watching

0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:59.320
<v Speaker 2>him on a regular basis, have been relatively unimpressed with

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:02.399
<v Speaker 2>his performance is Calvin Fouchet, who if you look under

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:05.239
<v Speaker 2>the hood, some of the peripherals of him are still

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:07.680
<v Speaker 2>impressive even though he is not really executed with the

0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:12.560
<v Speaker 2>game on the line, and he still has a pretty

0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:15.960
<v Speaker 2>pretty peripherals, like pretty attractive peripherals, I should say. And

0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 2>the guy that still has three years of control beyond

0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:20.839
<v Speaker 2>this year, he's in his arbitration years, He's not he's

0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 2>in that sweet spot. We're not close to free agency yet,

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:25.879
<v Speaker 2>but getting a little bit more expensive and he has

0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 2>I think Kevin noted to me the other night that

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:30.840
<v Speaker 2>he has actually quietly performed well also in recent weeks.

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:33.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, where do you stand Nate on Just like

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 2>the general idea about relievers, this is a team that

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 2>their bullpen itself has been kind of unreliable over these

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 2>last few weeks, and yet they have guys that are

0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:44.920
<v Speaker 2>interesting trade candidates. They have a few that are close

0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 2>to coming back to injury, they have candidates at triple A.

0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:49.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, what would you want to see them do

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:52.800
<v Speaker 2>on the bullpen fronts in these final few minutes.

0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:55.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I've been saying this since Peter Bennet look over

0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:57.759
<v Speaker 4>in twenty twenty four. I feel like every reliever is

0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:00.480
<v Speaker 4>a spendle. It doesn't matter who they really are. Kevin's

0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:02.759
<v Speaker 4>making that face because I believe the diamond match is

0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 4>traded for Laura's newpar So. That's a little arnaud a

0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:07.759
<v Speaker 4>new bar reunion out in the desert, so a little

0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:10.200
<v Speaker 4>bit interesting. But besides that, Yeah, I mean I've said

0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:11.799
<v Speaker 4>it for a couple of years now. I mean, when

0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:13.480
<v Speaker 4>you go when you can go out and pick up

0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:16.560
<v Speaker 4>guys like Ronnie and Riquez, Michael Peterson, I mean even

0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:18.840
<v Speaker 4>lake Bach or some of these guys that Peter Bennett

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:21.359
<v Speaker 4>has picked up for absolutely nothing and turn them into

0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 4>as shot our guy Sean Mcorn can say demons, then

0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:26.759
<v Speaker 4>I don't know why you wouldn't. Even Pete Fairbans at

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:28.080
<v Speaker 4>this point kind of had like a little bit of

0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:30.480
<v Speaker 4>a twenty twenty four Josh Bell type of run right

0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:32.759
<v Speaker 4>before the deadline. Might thought he would like probably a

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:34.719
<v Speaker 4>month throw would have gone for nothing, But at this

0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:36.440
<v Speaker 4>point you might get a little bit of something out of him,

0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:38.960
<v Speaker 4>at least cash at the very worst. But he might

0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:40.759
<v Speaker 4>be more than Marments at this point thanyone else. So

0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 4>it would stand to get rid of a guy like

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:45.239
<v Speaker 4>bid Mic right now, especially with how it amazing he's

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:48.360
<v Speaker 4>been at with the Inherited Runners, just like we saw yesterday.

0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:50.440
<v Speaker 4>But if the man you believe, then get a splash

0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:52.120
<v Speaker 4>for this guy and then replace him who knows a

0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:54.560
<v Speaker 4>year later, you know, next year around this time, and

0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 4>then get Rounni and Riquez back for the spring, which

0:47:57.000 --> 0:47:59.240
<v Speaker 4>will probably make these guys even more expendable. At that point,

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:01.319
<v Speaker 4>give you another and he dying than Anthony Benn are

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:04.919
<v Speaker 4>coming back soon. So yeah, all I think everyone should

0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:06.440
<v Speaker 4>be available. I mean, that's how it is at this

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:09.640
<v Speaker 4>point anyway, for everyone in this roster, always listening on everyone,

0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:11.840
<v Speaker 4>So I think that should pertain the most, so pretty

0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:13.279
<v Speaker 4>much every lead on this roster as well.

0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 3>One thing to clarify real quick with the Marlins relievers is,

0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:18.360
<v Speaker 3>I know people would think John Kings the other in

0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:20.680
<v Speaker 3>pending free agent. He's not. He has one more year

0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:23.560
<v Speaker 3>of club control because of arbitration. So I think that's

0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:26.080
<v Speaker 3>one key thing there, because if they really did want

0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 3>to move him, they could, and they actually probably could

0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:30.279
<v Speaker 3>get some nice value in return given the extra year

0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:32.680
<v Speaker 3>and how cheap it will probably be. But I could

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 3>see a world where they keep him, they saw the

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:37.359
<v Speaker 3>adjustments as he's made, or that the organization kind of

0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:41.440
<v Speaker 3>put for them, and then yeah, they could trade him

0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:44.359
<v Speaker 3>at the next deadline. I guess the other name worth

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:46.720
<v Speaker 3>noting is Bender. I don't know exactly what his timeline

0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:50.360
<v Speaker 3>looks like. I believe he was throwing throwing. He probably

0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:53.200
<v Speaker 3>may start of rehab assign it sometime soon. But I

0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:54.600
<v Speaker 3>think the other thing to note here is that they're

0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:56.280
<v Speaker 3>gonna have to make a roster move in their bullpen,

0:48:56.320 --> 0:49:00.359
<v Speaker 3>regardless if they choose to recall Josh Ekna. I would

0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:04.600
<v Speaker 3>they just send down Bracs Dax Fulton, but they really

0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:06.799
<v Speaker 3>wanted to bring out back this and keep Dax as

0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:08.640
<v Speaker 3>a long man. They would have to make a roster

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:10.080
<v Speaker 3>move there. I believe he should be back in the

0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:12.160
<v Speaker 3>next couple of days, if not tomorrow. For the Brave,

0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 3>serious is when it makes the most sense to do,

0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:16.040
<v Speaker 3>so that's something else to keep in mind. But if

0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:18.480
<v Speaker 3>I had to make the prediction, I think it'll be

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:21.680
<v Speaker 3>for share Boker that are traded Baker.

0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we should touch on Lake Baker, who overall has

0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:27.640
<v Speaker 2>had a good year. He ended his pre deadline service

0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 2>on a very high note, pitched three great endings on

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Friday or Saturday when Pete Fairbanks was actually unvailable for

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:36.960
<v Speaker 2>that game and Backer got it, went the distance to

0:49:37.280 --> 0:49:40.120
<v Speaker 2>close that one out. He was also right a main

0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:45.319
<v Speaker 2>character in the Urie Paraz perfect Game bid that was

0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:48.040
<v Speaker 2>cut short. Docker came in right after him and at

0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:50.239
<v Speaker 2>his worst outing of the year in that aspect as well.

0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Need one other bad outing recently. I'm struggling to put

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:55.880
<v Speaker 2>my finger on exactly which day was that was also

0:49:56.280 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 2>and of course of July, so there's been a couple

0:49:57.640 --> 0:49:59.120
<v Speaker 2>of stinkers in there, but there's been a lot more

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:01.319
<v Speaker 2>good than bad. And this he had another guy where

0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:03.280
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of these relievers. Fair Banks is the exception.

0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Most of these guys are acquired very cheaply. Marlins found

0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:09.919
<v Speaker 2>money in most of these cases. Michael Peterson two separate times,

0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:13.360
<v Speaker 2>a waiver claim Lake Oker, waiver claim John King a

0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:15.480
<v Speaker 2>very cheap one year free agent deal that he was

0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:18.680
<v Speaker 2>acquired for. Who else do a guy here that he

0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:23.320
<v Speaker 2>could go through? Yeah, I don't think the who's that?

0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Uper Tyler Zueper. He's been pitching a lot of the man.

0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:31.920
<v Speaker 2>He has been pitching well in some high level situations.

0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Another former, There's no I would be he got.

0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:40.920
<v Speaker 3>If he gets traded. Give make Peter Bendix the statue

0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:43.520
<v Speaker 3>outside Lunde Bow Park if he got stumped in for him. Honestly,

0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:44.960
<v Speaker 3>he deserves that after this brackstrade.

0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:48.000
<v Speaker 4>But still like you're thinking of the Padres out in

0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:50.960
<v Speaker 4>last Sunday for Lake and they it's donned the loosing

0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:52.880
<v Speaker 4>street to twelve. But outside of that, I feel like,

0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:55.120
<v Speaker 4>I mean, honestly, dating back to last year, Lake Padger

0:50:55.160 --> 0:50:56.680
<v Speaker 4>has been solid for the most part. Remember that adding

0:50:56.760 --> 0:50:59.000
<v Speaker 4>last year against the Dodgers in that day game. I

0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 4>think what he got he recorded one out and allowed

0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:03.719
<v Speaker 4>like seven. But outside of that, he's maybe doing for

0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:06.200
<v Speaker 4>one blow up, maybe two a month. But outside of that,

0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:08.439
<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm a big fan of like Balker.

0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:12.360
<v Speaker 1>When it comes to the bullpen. I feel like this

0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:15.239
<v Speaker 1>is kind of your opportunity to sell high on some

0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:17.960
<v Speaker 1>of these guys. I mean, Fairbanks, I would I wouldn't

0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:20.560
<v Speaker 1>be mad if they traded him at this point because

0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:23.279
<v Speaker 1>I think Peterson could could fit right in into the

0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:26.719
<v Speaker 1>closing role. Kind Of hesitant to move Peterson, but I

0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:29.200
<v Speaker 1>look around guys the last couple of years, some of

0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:32.799
<v Speaker 1>these returns that teams are getting for bullpen pieces. I mean,

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:35.200
<v Speaker 1>you go back to last year, they didn't really sell anybody.

0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:38.720
<v Speaker 1>The Giants made that trade with the with the Mets

0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:44.239
<v Speaker 1>got Drew Gilbert and some quality pieces, and the consensus was, well,

0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:47.560
<v Speaker 1>if bullpen arms are going that high, why aren't the

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Marlins capitalizing on some of these guys's value. Because of

0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:53.360
<v Speaker 1>the of the depth you have in the minor leagues.

0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:57.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, guys that haven't gotten an extended shot or

0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:01.440
<v Speaker 1>have dealt with some injuries this year. So I'm typically

0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 1>one of those guys that doesn't want to see the

0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Marlins cell especially you know at fifty eight and fifty five.

0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to then tear down the roster. And

0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:11.000
<v Speaker 1>that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that

0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:15.239
<v Speaker 1>there are pieces that you can easily replace internally and

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:18.080
<v Speaker 1>still get some really good value for I mean, the giants.

0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:20.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a Marcelo Meyer fan, a lot of people are.

0:52:20.840 --> 0:52:24.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't like the under the hood metrics, but Eric

0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:27.359
<v Speaker 1>Miller from Marcelo Meyer, you're gonna take that. You're gonna

0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:28.920
<v Speaker 1>take that ten times out of ten and give it

0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:31.040
<v Speaker 1>a shot at least. So yeah, I mean, what do

0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:33.239
<v Speaker 1>we got. Some trades are going to continue to roll

0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:36.000
<v Speaker 1>in over the hour, but we'll see if they get

0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:38.560
<v Speaker 1>something done. I'd like to see one or two arms

0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:39.439
<v Speaker 1>get shipped off.

0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:41.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the other thing. Two trades do roll in

0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:44.120
<v Speaker 3>after because there are scenes that are engaged in conversations

0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:46.480
<v Speaker 3>to there's like this fine line. We're up to a

0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:48.800
<v Speaker 3>certain point, like you are still allowed to make the trade.

0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:51.600
<v Speaker 3>So I'm assuming if Miami were to make one more

0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:55.040
<v Speaker 3>it would be after that six pm time. But something

0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:56.920
<v Speaker 3>worth noting too, and I want to talk about really

0:52:56.960 --> 0:53:00.800
<v Speaker 3>quick this Arizona Diamondback situation because I'm Griff and Conine

0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:05.560
<v Speaker 3>into the Diamondbacks, so that obviously is no longer an option.

0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:08.359
<v Speaker 3>I don't think Phillies are a longer an option either.

0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:12.080
<v Speaker 3>I really I stemmed the Conine stuff based on like, hey,

0:53:12.360 --> 0:53:14.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, who really needs an outfielder and work Conine

0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:17.560
<v Speaker 3>probably play every day. Arizona was definitely a spot. I

0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:19.280
<v Speaker 3>thought Philly was a spot where you could at least

0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:22.920
<v Speaker 3>thrive a little more. Arizona will see what they end

0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:26.439
<v Speaker 3>up trading for for Lars Noopar, who click much better

0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:32.200
<v Speaker 3>upgraded than gryffin Conine, but I would assume traded. I

0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:35.040
<v Speaker 3>think the position players are safe. Sorry name, but maybe

0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:38.280
<v Speaker 3>X is the only one that may get moved amongst

0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:41.320
<v Speaker 3>the guys. I think there is they could slip some

0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:43.239
<v Speaker 3>guys into that second base at least for the rest

0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:46.960
<v Speaker 3>of the season. Uh, but yeah, they're Yeah, we're just

0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:49.279
<v Speaker 3>in this waiting point right here where if they make

0:53:49.320 --> 0:53:50.880
<v Speaker 3>a move, they make a move. If they don't, it

0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:53.040
<v Speaker 3>was fun and they made the right moves I think

0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:54.120
<v Speaker 3>at the state line so far.

0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:57.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm not even gonna acknowledge that extramment from you, Kevin,

0:53:57.320 --> 0:54:01.440
<v Speaker 4>but nice charge right now. I just just looking at

0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:03.839
<v Speaker 4>the NL wildcard standings and she brought the Diamondbacks again.

0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:07.080
<v Speaker 4>Obviously Diamond Batch are driving all in, saying with the

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:10.319
<v Speaker 4>Phillies and the Padres, they looked at a team like

0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:12.040
<v Speaker 4>the Pirates, who are just under the Marlins, adding some

0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:14.400
<v Speaker 4>reliever help with Luke Weaver from the Mets. So this

0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 4>race is only gonna get tougher. And then guys like

0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:19.120
<v Speaker 4>the Cardinals it's escaping me who who they're getting read of?

0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:21.839
<v Speaker 4>But the Cardinals sold and obviously the NAT sewing as well,

0:54:21.920 --> 0:54:23.640
<v Speaker 4>so it's going to be a little bit more competitive

0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:26.000
<v Speaker 4>for that third wild card spot. And as we just

0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:29.560
<v Speaker 4>yet worried that the Guardians are acquiring Nathaniel from the

0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:31.680
<v Speaker 4>red So if we're worried about the Reds creeping up,

0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:34.040
<v Speaker 4>then I guess they're even more in the bud now.

0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:37.520
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, Pittsburgh and Luke Weaver, that's you know, that's

0:54:37.800 --> 0:54:39.520
<v Speaker 4>more buying than we've seen for the Marlins so far.

0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:42.120
<v Speaker 3>Is that the first trade that the Reds make this

0:54:42.360 --> 0:54:45.520
<v Speaker 3>today like or this that? Wow, that's that's crazy that

0:54:45.600 --> 0:54:47.000
<v Speaker 3>the team that you would have thought was gonna sell

0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:49.400
<v Speaker 3>just a little bit more, And we're very open to

0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:51.799
<v Speaker 3>dealing pictures because they have guys that they could deal

0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:54.279
<v Speaker 3>and they would probably get an insane haul for I

0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:54.920
<v Speaker 3>haven't done it.

0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Just stand with the wild card race for for the

0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:01.200
<v Speaker 2>moment there mar one and a half back And I

0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:03.799
<v Speaker 2>saw comment about, uh, wouldn't you like to see no

0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:06.080
<v Speaker 2>games on trade deadline days so that all the focuses

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.960
<v Speaker 2>on the transactions, and the MLB has kind of threaded

0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:11.280
<v Speaker 2>the needle here where it's about a half schedule today.

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Marlins obviously off, but pretty much every single team on

0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:16.960
<v Speaker 2>here aside from the Marlins in action tonight, including the

0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Nats playing the Phillies, The Pirates are playing on the road,

0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:24.640
<v Speaker 2>the Cubs are playing at home, the who else we

0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:25.080
<v Speaker 2>got here?

0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:28.080
<v Speaker 3>And Blue Jays who just made that trade for Dalton

0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:30.680
<v Speaker 3>varshow varshows in the liner for Houston where he's going

0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:31.480
<v Speaker 3>to be at least.

0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:35.320
<v Speaker 4>As what whoa for Connor Norby and Aiden May breaking?

0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:38.080
<v Speaker 3>What?

0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:38.360
<v Speaker 8>What?

0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Wow?

0:55:40.239 --> 0:55:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Who's on this? Jeff Pass?

0:55:42.960 --> 0:55:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Wow?

0:55:43.480 --> 0:55:46.200
<v Speaker 2>We do have a at the buzzer. At the buzzer

0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:50.160
<v Speaker 2>live reaction to the Marlins acquiring a reliever making a

0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:55.399
<v Speaker 2>trade to acquire what we don't know, ship do we acquire,

0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:58.600
<v Speaker 2>including Connor Norby and Aiden May May. I'm pretty high

0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:01.840
<v Speaker 2>on on Aiden May, so wow, Yeah, we're gonna do

0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:07.560
<v Speaker 2>some live reaction here to the day and so for

0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:09.640
<v Speaker 2>the moment, we'll see. My prediction was that the Morts

0:56:09.640 --> 0:56:12.560
<v Speaker 2>to make three deadline deals, and this is number three,

0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:14.880
<v Speaker 2>just before the buzzer. Not done yet. This might not

0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:18.600
<v Speaker 2>be it, but interesting, interesting pivot here. So that's what

0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Passing has a deal. I guess we'll find out in

0:56:22.280 --> 0:56:25.120
<v Speaker 2>moments if there's any other variables here. But Victor Vadnik,

0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:28.280
<v Speaker 2>a controllable right handed reliever from the Rockies for Connor

0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Norby and Aiden May. Aiden May was there one of

0:56:30.680 --> 0:56:32.879
<v Speaker 2>their higher draft picks two years ago having a nice

0:56:32.920 --> 0:56:35.319
<v Speaker 2>season that hiaploit and we all know about Norby, who's

0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:37.719
<v Speaker 2>who's been playing well in Triple A the last month

0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:40.600
<v Speaker 2>or somebody's overqualified for that level, and so this is

0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:44.520
<v Speaker 2>now this well when well just a reactions guys to

0:56:44.640 --> 0:56:46.520
<v Speaker 2>this one. I think the Norby one maybe not as

0:56:46.520 --> 0:56:48.799
<v Speaker 2>surprising that he's going out, But I guess let's start

0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:51.480
<v Speaker 2>with the uh the acquisition in the first place. We

0:56:51.480 --> 0:56:54.200
<v Speaker 2>were just talking moments ago about the Marlins. We should

0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:56.440
<v Speaker 2>be in a position to trade relievers, and maybe there

0:56:56.520 --> 0:56:59.759
<v Speaker 2>is a trade coming, a corresponding move, but still just

0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:01.520
<v Speaker 2>in a vacuum. What do you guys think about them

0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:04.399
<v Speaker 2>them investing in a very hard throwing reliever who has

0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:06.800
<v Speaker 2>some high leverage experience in Victor Vodnick.

0:57:07.280 --> 0:57:10.360
<v Speaker 3>I remember Vodnick was in Atlanta before, and I believe

0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:12.920
<v Speaker 3>he got taken in the Rule five and it's been

0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:15.799
<v Speaker 3>a weird ride. He he's got any era over five,

0:57:15.840 --> 0:57:17.280
<v Speaker 3>but I think he also have to take that with

0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:19.400
<v Speaker 3>a grain of salt. I think would be better to

0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:21.920
<v Speaker 3>look at the roady right now, especially for him. He

0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:23.680
<v Speaker 3>faced the Marlins a couple times in that four game

0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:25.400
<v Speaker 3>set against the Rocky, so they got a good look

0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:29.080
<v Speaker 3>at him. He throws hard as shit. I'm just more

0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:31.360
<v Speaker 3>shocked to think they had to include a prospect on

0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:33.560
<v Speaker 3>the Marlins and Aiden May, who I believe we have

0:57:33.600 --> 0:57:35.480
<v Speaker 3>in our top thirty or was just on the outside

0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:38.200
<v Speaker 3>looking in to make this trade for for Vodnik, But again,

0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:40.200
<v Speaker 3>he has a lot of years of control. Yeah, I'm

0:57:40.320 --> 0:57:42.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm stunned. I didn't see this coming at all. I've

0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:45.360
<v Speaker 3>had a feeling maybe they'll end up moving Norby because

0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:47.560
<v Speaker 3>maybe just didn't see a future there for him at

0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:49.760
<v Speaker 3>the big league level. And he now goes to Colorado

0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:51.480
<v Speaker 3>where I'm sure he'll go in the big league roster,

0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:53.600
<v Speaker 3>and he's gonna he's gonna have a good chance to

0:57:53.640 --> 0:57:58.840
<v Speaker 3>match their in course, so good opportunity.

0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:02.160
<v Speaker 4>Correct, Sorry, I'm pretty sure vantage was not. Also on

0:58:02.200 --> 0:58:05.120
<v Speaker 4>the mound for Owen Casey's walk off for the third

0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:07.720
<v Speaker 4>game of the year. He also gave up the absolute

0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:10.160
<v Speaker 4>tank to Griffin Conin coming off the bench of Cowards.

0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:13.840
<v Speaker 4>So that's gonna be interesting introductions to those two guys.

0:58:13.880 --> 0:58:16.760
<v Speaker 4>But man, I am, I'm shocked as the Pirates just

0:58:16.760 --> 0:58:18.880
<v Speaker 4>get Tubby eight. So another team in this ray is

0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:21.080
<v Speaker 4>going for lever help. But yeah, like Kevin said, man

0:58:21.160 --> 0:58:24.400
<v Speaker 4>Victor Vaughner throws absolute gas, and I mean him and

0:58:24.440 --> 0:58:27.200
<v Speaker 4>Michael Peterson. If you're if you're already bat Layton the

0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:29.760
<v Speaker 4>late game against the Marlins, good luck, you're getting a

0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:30.480
<v Speaker 4>lot of heat from them.

0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:34.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah you are, You are right made Casey hit the

0:58:34.120 --> 0:58:37.440
<v Speaker 5>walk off home running game three of the season to

0:58:37.600 --> 0:58:41.040
<v Speaker 5>complete the sweep. And this just goes against everything that

0:58:41.080 --> 0:58:42.720
<v Speaker 5>I was that I thought I knew what they were

0:58:42.720 --> 0:58:44.640
<v Speaker 5>gonna do. They were gonna stand pat minus a couple

0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:46.360
<v Speaker 5>of sales, sort of like last year. But this is

0:58:46.400 --> 0:58:49.480
<v Speaker 5>clearly a buying move, and I like to see this

0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:51.280
<v Speaker 5>is a guy with plenty of years of control. So

0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:55.160
<v Speaker 5>hence the quote unquote steep price. I think that aiden

0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:58.240
<v Speaker 5>May loss hurts more than Norby one. No offense to

0:58:58.320 --> 0:59:02.120
<v Speaker 5>Connor and with like, wow, wow, just two years ago

0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:04.080
<v Speaker 5>this trade I was talking to someone about actually was

0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:06.880
<v Speaker 5>talking to Ashley about this that two years ago, Norby

0:59:07.000 --> 0:59:09.240
<v Speaker 5>was the big piece for All Star Trevor Rodgers and

0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:11.360
<v Speaker 5>Kylestowers was the throwing and now Kyle Stowers is the

0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:14.600
<v Speaker 5>one that's untouchable, the All Star home run hitter, and

0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:17.520
<v Speaker 5>Norby is getting traded for some relievers while being in

0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:22.080
<v Speaker 5>triple Jacksonville to be reunited with Troy Johnston. It's gonna

0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:24.760
<v Speaker 5>be I like it. Miami really needed to show up

0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:27.920
<v Speaker 5>that bullpen in a big way. I've heard rumblings. I

0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:30.800
<v Speaker 5>think Josh Ecknes could be returning sometime soon, as soon

0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:34.320
<v Speaker 5>as tomorrow. Perhaps Bender could be coming back a little

0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:35.880
<v Speaker 5>bit in a little bit as well. So all of

0:59:35.920 --> 0:59:38.160
<v Speaker 5>a sudden, you get three big new pieces to that bullpen.

0:59:38.840 --> 0:59:41.760
<v Speaker 5>And so yeah, it's like three editions almost with just

0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:42.520
<v Speaker 5>a price for one.

0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:43.960
<v Speaker 1>So I like it.

0:59:44.280 --> 0:59:46.160
<v Speaker 5>There was no avenue for Norby to be an everyday

0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:49.040
<v Speaker 5>player up here. He really just cannot feel this position.

0:59:49.080 --> 0:59:51.280
<v Speaker 5>He cannot play third base. He was a decent first baseman,

0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:53.040
<v Speaker 5>but we all know that's not where he was going

0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:55.880
<v Speaker 5>to be long term. They didn't really commit to trying

0:59:55.960 --> 0:59:58.560
<v Speaker 5>him in the corner outfield spots. The bat looked okay

0:59:58.560 --> 1:00:00.840
<v Speaker 5>at trible a Jacksonville, but we know, like Eli said,

1:00:00.840 --> 1:00:01.800
<v Speaker 5>he's a way over qualified.

1:00:02.560 --> 1:00:10.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, Boker, Balker to the Pirates, Boker to the Pirates.

1:00:10.880 --> 1:00:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh and so my prediction slips away because that's four trades.

1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:19.560
<v Speaker 1>They traded a reliever.

1:00:19.840 --> 1:00:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so a few more minutes on vod Nick and

1:00:22.920 --> 1:00:24.400
<v Speaker 2>especially the Norby side, a little bit more in the

1:00:24.440 --> 1:00:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Norby side. This is now exactly two years essentially from

1:00:26.640 --> 1:00:28.640
<v Speaker 2>when they acquired him from the Orioles and the Trevor

1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Rodgers and the Kyle Stowers deal and that first couple.

1:00:32.080 --> 1:00:33.920
<v Speaker 2>It was really the first month of Norby on the

1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Marlins was everything they could have dreamed of, Like he

1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:39.440
<v Speaker 2>was showing way more power than they thought he was.

1:00:39.960 --> 1:00:41.720
<v Speaker 2>They moved him to third base, and like there were

1:00:41.760 --> 1:00:43.880
<v Speaker 2>little glimpses that maybe would work, and then it was

1:00:43.880 --> 1:00:45.400
<v Speaker 2>pretty much all downhill from there. Like there was a

1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:47.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of injuries last year twenty twenty five, and he

1:00:47.960 --> 1:00:49.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't hit nearly at the same level, and then this

1:00:50.080 --> 1:00:52.360
<v Speaker 2>year there was I was reminding Kevin about this the

1:00:52.360 --> 1:00:54.480
<v Speaker 2>other night. You know, he was on Unfiltered a few

1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:56.240
<v Speaker 2>months ago because he was like a positive story. It

1:00:56.240 --> 1:00:59.240
<v Speaker 2>looked like his approach was becoming more nuanced early in

1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:01.400
<v Speaker 2>the year, even it wasn't like tapping into his power,

1:01:01.400 --> 1:01:03.160
<v Speaker 2>he was drawing more walks in a way that thought,

1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:05.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe this is more sustainable, maybe to be

1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:07.640
<v Speaker 2>a bounced back year. And then he seems to take

1:01:07.680 --> 1:01:09.640
<v Speaker 2>well to first base defensively, it's like, maybe that's the

1:01:09.680 --> 1:01:12.360
<v Speaker 2>best chance to find him a defensive home. And as

1:01:12.400 --> 1:01:14.680
<v Speaker 2>it turns out, ironically, it's the guy that he was

1:01:14.720 --> 1:01:17.120
<v Speaker 2>traded here with Wars, his close friend Stowars is the

1:01:17.160 --> 1:01:20.360
<v Speaker 2>one that is now temporarily filled that first base void

1:01:20.360 --> 1:01:22.280
<v Speaker 2>to Norby is down to triple A, playing a bunch

1:01:22.280 --> 1:01:25.080
<v Speaker 2>of different positions, and he ends up going to a

1:01:25.120 --> 1:01:26.840
<v Speaker 2>team in the Rockies that's gonna have plenty of playing

1:01:26.840 --> 1:01:29.280
<v Speaker 2>time for him. I'm not sure at what position, but

1:01:29.320 --> 1:01:31.000
<v Speaker 2>this is kind of the second time in a matter

1:01:31.040 --> 1:01:32.760
<v Speaker 2>of months that there's been this sort of deal with

1:01:32.960 --> 1:01:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Troy Johnson wants to Colorado as a waiver claim. So

1:01:35.760 --> 1:01:37.480
<v Speaker 2>at least there's a little bit of value if you

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<v Speaker 2>can buy Norby in May. So there's that. Coincidentally, a

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<v Speaker 2>report right now from Ken Rosenthal that Trevor Rodgers from

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<v Speaker 2>that same trade of a couple years that he's staying

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<v Speaker 2>put with the Orioles through the deadline. So that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be when the he's going to head into free

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<v Speaker 2>agency this offseason as a member of the Orioles. That'll

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<v Speaker 2>be an interesting twist to it. So there's that, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'll go into Aiden May too, because I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm the high man on Aiden May among our

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<v Speaker 2>not just in our top thirty, but pretty comfortably in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Just an amazing breaking ball and much improved command this

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<v Speaker 2>year as well, in what it was essentially his first

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<v Speaker 2>full season in the miners because he missed a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of time due to injury last season. I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting. He's very likely going to be just a

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<v Speaker 2>reliever at the big league level, and it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be an interesting experiment with him in Colorado because in Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>more so than anything, breaking balls are the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>are adversely affected by those conditions. Like for a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that is very reliant on that, it's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>move the same and that's going to be an interesting

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<v Speaker 2>thing for him to adapt to. But I think he

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<v Speaker 2>can make it up to the majors relatively quickly as

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<v Speaker 2>a reliever, potentially at some point before the ends of

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<v Speaker 2>next year. So yeah, any other thoughts quick? Three prospects

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<v Speaker 2>coming to mind me for Lake Baker. Okay, we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to that and just.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold on.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to say, but I can report now, but

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<v Speaker 5>the Marlins are done.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>They're done. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that stage. I like the move a lot, like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. I remember last year watching him pitch for Colorado,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is guy I know that has struggled this year,

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<v Speaker 1>but like Kevin noted, the whole era is very poor. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>He's a fastball slider guy, and the fastball's elite. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean he'll sit one hundred, hit one hundred and one,

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<v Speaker 1>throws gas and I think he's gonna be a perfect

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<v Speaker 1>late inning option for twenty twenty seven. When you when

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<v Speaker 1>you look at the future of this Marlin steam, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Victor Vodnick's upside, I believe is higher than someone like

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<v Speaker 1>Lake Baker. You're gonna have Rodnie and Riquez, You've got

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<v Speaker 1>your prospects coming in. I think it's a good addition.

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<v Speaker 1>Aid in May, I also was high on Eli, but

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<v Speaker 1>Connor norby this time in Miami was done. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he can't hit. Can't hit, so maybe the Rockies can

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<v Speaker 1>fix him. I don't know. They like their reclamation projects.

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey moniac and you know, best of luck, but it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't gonna work.

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<v Speaker 4>Here island ground ball rate for Vodnik.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, he doesn't for the for the stuff that

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<v Speaker 5>he has, he doesn't generate a ton of strikeouts, which

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<v Speaker 5>that seems like to be Peter spreadit million.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what Sandy is a little bit and just round ball.

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<v Speaker 1>We like to see it.

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<v Speaker 5>It really gets me really horned up for the bullpen

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<v Speaker 5>next year. I think this could be a little bit fun.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, So this is this was a by definition,

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<v Speaker 5>a hybrid deadline. As it turns out, when we thought

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<v Speaker 5>it would just be a light sell off, it was

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<v Speaker 5>more of a of a hybrid deadline, and that's something

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<v Speaker 5>that we haven't seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's let's take a very quick, breather final ad

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<v Speaker 2>that will play from Jessic Renzels and South Florida, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll come back. We'll talk about the Bocker trade and

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<v Speaker 2>just final thoughts that digests what the Marlins did at

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<v Speaker 2>this deadline. I'm glad that they were able to salvage

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<v Speaker 2>it by making it an interesting one at the last

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<v Speaker 2>possible day. So we'll hear from you in just a

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<v Speaker 2>few moments.