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Speaker 1: Wherever you may be and however you may be listening,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for making us part of your day. J Macbears Niners,

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Speaker 1: best NFL game of the year, A plus plus plus.

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Speaker 1: That was as good as professional football gets this late

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Speaker 1: in the season. You're missing some starters if you're San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: and well let's just start with that. That's as good

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Speaker 1: as total football gets. And the other thing is this

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Speaker 1: is why you hire offensive coaches. Between Ben Jonson and

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, nine hundred yards of offense, both were great

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Speaker 1: on third down, great in the red zone, efficient, smart

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Speaker 1: play calling, young quarterbacks being the beneficiary. Brought in Caleb

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Speaker 1: of really bright guys. Now, yes, I always thought brought

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Speaker 1: on Shanahan and Christian McCaffrey. But he didn't have Kiddle

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Speaker 1: last night. He didn't have left tackle Trent Williams. He

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Speaker 1: hadn't have Brandon. I you call year and last night

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Speaker 1: he was attack, attack, attack, with mobility, with accuracy.

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Speaker 2: He threw a pick six.

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Speaker 1: I've told you for years Brady threw pick sixes and

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Speaker 1: super Bowls he's won. Yes, he threw another interception and

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Speaker 1: I liked this party, attack, aggressive. I thought the last

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Speaker 1: three weeks as well as he's ever played. You can

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Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl with this quarterback play. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have a pick six. I defend Darnold. I defended

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck, Peyton, Manny and Elway two picks. This one

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Speaker 1: I like now now did mac Jones and Garoppolo also

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Speaker 1: gronk Adelman Belichick's defense. So San Francisco has been very

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Speaker 1: reliant regardless of the quarterback in the last five six

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Speaker 1: years with George Kittle.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't around last night.

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Speaker 1: Trent Williams also incredibly important, great left tackle still at

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Speaker 1: So you don't really have your deep threat in Brandon Nayuk.

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Speaker 1: So instead of just being a really talented passenger, which

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Speaker 2: He's talented. You mean, you can watch him play two quarters.

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Speaker 1: Healed, but he's mostly been a driver, you know, passenger.

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Speaker 1: Last night he was the driver of the offense. I

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Speaker 1: thought he was fantastic. Now could he stay healthy he

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Speaker 1: seattles defense. He's not going to have all night to

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Speaker 1: throw like you saw last night. I mean, Dennis Allen,

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Speaker 1: got open. Brock Purty found you. And this year, this

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Speaker 1: the last month, once the toe got healthy, there's no

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Speaker 1: disputing it the last six weeks. This is the healthiest

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Speaker 1: best Brock party we've ever seen. He's not just stabilizing,

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Speaker 1: he's elevating. He's pulling the offense, which is missing a

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame left tackle, which last night's missing a

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Speaker 1: I mean, mac Jones came in this year as a backup,

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Speaker 3: Told I'm not the best historian. I feel like he's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, brock perty trust your eyes, moving attack, going for it,

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Speaker 1: that loss. Thirty five thirty five, fifty eighth total first

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Speaker 1: The play calling was excellent. Third down, fourth down was excellent.

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Speaker 2: Now, Caleb didn't get.

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Speaker 1: Sacked, but he got flushed out of the pocket more

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Speaker 1: The second half, and your second half possessions are touchdown, touchdown,

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Speaker 1: tip of the cap. Caleb Williams has gotten better every week.

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Speaker 1: Second week in a row. Caleb Williams no sacks. That

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Speaker 2: We know what Chicago's going to do in.

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Speaker 1: The draft, but Sala was dialing up all sorts of pressure.

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Speaker 1: thought Caleb was great, no sacks, no picks. Ben Johnson's

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Speaker 1: play calling outstanding. What's new? You gotta You're not gonna

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Speaker 1: If you gave out in the NFL an Award for

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Speaker 1: the best coaching staff, I would give it to the Niners.

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Speaker 2: I would give it to the Niners.

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Speaker 1: What Sala's doing with this defense, creating some pressure against

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Speaker 1: the great old line, and no Fred Warner, no Bosa

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Speaker 2: And here was Caleb on a tough road loss.

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Speaker 4: We've proven who we are, will fight, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I think we're a team to be wrecking with. And

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Speaker 4: I'm excited to go back and watch this film and

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you one of the things that's great about Caleb.

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Speaker 1: I've compared him a little to Josh Allen, a shorter

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, where he's not going to be perfect. I

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Speaker 1: don't worry too much about the fifty nine percent accuracy thing.

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Speaker 1: Last night, I thought he threw a he threw really

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Speaker 1: I think I think Caleb's fine. In fact, he's how

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Speaker 1: Bears defense got that pick six early, But overall, I

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Speaker 1: think if you're a Chicago Bear, if I'd have told

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Speaker 5: I mean, that was, yeah, we were head to head

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Speaker 5: on that Colin. By the way, do you want to

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Speaker 5: guess the line? Seahawks travel to San fran on Saturday night,

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Speaker 5: so short week again for the Niners.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they are at home.

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Speaker 5: Seattle was just in Carolina, so they had a cross country.

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Speaker 2: They would guess Niners minus one.

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Speaker 5: Seattle is favored in San Francisco by one. Now I

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Speaker 5: surprised by it. I don't know what they're seeing. Maybe

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Speaker 5: the Trent Williams injury means he's not gonna play it well.

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Speaker 1: To know, I think you would admit this, and you

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Speaker 1: love Purty. When Brock is comfortable, forget it. He is

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Speaker 1: why I thought Dennis Allen should have been much more aggressive.

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Speaker 1: Comfortable Brock perty's a handful when you speed the game up.

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Speaker 1: And this was the knock on Brock. It's been a

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Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field. Garoppolo with Kyle kind

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Speaker 1: of kept it safe, didn't throw it the sideline. Brock's aggressive.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not Sam Darnold aggressive, but Brock is aggressive. So

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Speaker 1: And also Christian McCaffrey had another huge touch night.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: Interestingly, though, Colin regarding Seattle, they played in the season opener.

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Speaker 1: to The Herd podcast. Here we go, Hour two and

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Speaker 2: We're live.

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Speaker 1: It's the Herd last night as good as the NFL gets,

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Speaker 8: to watch, and it's also why I think everyone's excited

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Speaker 8: if it happens again. But now, it was a good

431
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Speaker 8: quarterback battle last night, and I got to give credit

432
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Speaker 8: to both guys played really well. Just one guy made

433
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Speaker 8: the play at the end and the other guy didn't.

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Speaker 8: And you know they might meet again and it might

435
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Speaker 8: be different the next time.

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Speaker 1: So much fun, such a fun NFL game. I'm gonna

437
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Speaker 1: support the Bills going for it. I thought the Eagles

438
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Speaker 1: defense was on the field the entire second half. You

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Speaker 1: have Josh Allen, you're at home, You're favored. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go with it. I'm gonna I'm not gonna be a

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Speaker 1: backsheet guy. Were you okay going for two in Buffalo? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I would have been good either way. Like either way,

443
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Speaker 8: you could make the argument for not. You know, the

444
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Speaker 8: Eagles hadn't done much offensively, But then again, we're at home.

445
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Speaker 8: I got Josh Allen as my quarterback. I've got a

446
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Speaker 8: two point play. This is what happens when you decide

447
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Speaker 8: on your two point play the night before, or maybe

448
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Speaker 8: even two days before, in an air conditioning room with

449
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Speaker 8: a group of people.

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Speaker 7: You right on your big call sheet.

451
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Speaker 8: Okay, if we've got fourth and goal to win the game,

452
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Speaker 8: our two point play is what what are we calling?

453
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Speaker 8: And you feel really good about it sometimes? And I

454
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Speaker 8: bet you they thought really good about this play. The

455
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Speaker 8: play worked, and you know, Josh Allen, he's got to

456
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Speaker 8: be kicking himself. Ninety nine out of one hundred times

457
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Speaker 8: he makes that throw, guarantee it. It was kind of

458
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Speaker 8: shocking to see him not making now. He's banged up,

459
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Speaker 8: he's got a real bad foot injury. He maybe he

460
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Speaker 8: can't push off, feels the pressure, bad weather, all the stuff.

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Speaker 8: But no, I'm in favor of going for that. I'd

462
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Speaker 8: and I'd be in favor of calling the exact same

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Speaker 8: play again in the exact same situation.

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Speaker 7: I'd feel good about the quarterback making the play.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles are so weird, I can't even wrap my

466
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Speaker 1: brain around A. J.

467
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Speaker 2: Brown was feeling it.

468
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Speaker 1: The short passing game was working, and then they just

469
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Speaker 1: pulled the plug on the offense. They have four of

470
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Speaker 1: the worst offensive halves in the league this year, and

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Speaker 1: that's counting all the bad offenses. Explain to me what

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Speaker 1: happens as well as you can with this offense about

473
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Speaker 1: every other week.

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Speaker 8: Who knows, man, Like, if you got if you're an

475
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Speaker 8: eel sa like, this is what I would say about it,

476
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Speaker 8: though I'm not. A win is a win, right, and

477
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Speaker 8: we're not going to apologize for that and all the stuff, right.

478
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Speaker 8: And I've gotten on here before and have said, hey, listen,

479
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 8: it would be better if the offense, instead of turning

480
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Speaker 8: the ball over and playing sloppy and stuff like that,

481
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Speaker 8: it would be better if you took a knee three

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Speaker 8: times and let your punter punt. I mean, I remember

483
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Speaker 8: doing the Rams Seahawks game earlier this year and the

484
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Speaker 8: Rams Darnold had an un characteristic day through four interceptions,

485
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Speaker 8: and I said, if the Seahawks just would have taken

486
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Speaker 8: a knee three times and let their punter punt, they

487
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Speaker 8: would have won. And that's kind of the mindset that

488
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Speaker 8: it felt. Philly went with a little bit in terms

489
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Speaker 8: of hey, let's play safe let our punter punt, our

490
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Speaker 8: defense playing actually really really well. Thirteen to nothing lead

491
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Speaker 8: most of the game. It's a scary lead, thirteen points.

492
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Speaker 8: No one really loves the thirteen point lead. It's a

493
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Speaker 8: weird I don't know, maybe I've been burned too many times.

494
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Speaker 8: But then you let your punter punt and then just

495
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Speaker 8: you know, don't step on the line when he downs

496
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Speaker 8: a perfect punt on the one yard line. You know,

497
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Speaker 8: stuff like that. Execute well on special teams to help

498
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Speaker 8: your defense play. But no, it's a little it's a

499
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Speaker 8: little frustrating when you're used to Philly's offense being good.

500
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Speaker 8: But there is a complimentary football aspect to this, where

501
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Speaker 8: just don't screw it up when you're up by two scores.

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Speaker 2: So it's I mean, it's just so Pittsburgh.

503
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Speaker 1: So I like healthier Baltimore even if Huntley plays, because

504
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Speaker 1: I think he's a pretty capable backup.

505
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Speaker 2: I watched him beat the Bears this year. He's good.

506
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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry Zay Flowers, I harball, I this is rough.

507
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 1: Washington broke his arm. DK's not around. I don't even

508
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Speaker 1: know who their number one receiver is MBS. They don't

509
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: have really a dependable run game and they quit on

510
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Speaker 1: it sometimes. Do you I like Baltimore in the final week?

511
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Speaker 3: Do you?

512
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Speaker 2: And where are you with Pittsburgh today?

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Speaker 7: Well, I'll start with Baltimore.

514
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Speaker 8: I don't for whatever reason, Lamar Jackson just doesn't look

515
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 8: like Lamar Jackson this year. You know, I don't know

516
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Speaker 8: if it's on the field, off the field, it's not

517
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Speaker 8: the same Tyler Huntley, you know, for whatever reason, and

518
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 8: he's in the game.

519
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Speaker 7: They lean more on Derrick Henry. They use a Flowers

520
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Speaker 7: in the.

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Speaker 8: Run game, like they get a little bit more of

522
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Speaker 8: what I think about Baltimore Raven football, Like, we're going

523
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Speaker 8: to be the hammer, not the nail.

524
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Speaker 7: We're not going to get too cute. Now.

525
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Speaker 8: Now the Steelers on the other side, they're not operating

526
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 8: at full strength. You mentioned DK huge loss, Washington, huge loss.

527
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Speaker 8: I would love to see Aaron Rodgers under center more

528
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Speaker 8: using his Hall of Fame brain, getting them into the

529
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 8: right play call, using his cadence, taking advantage of free plays.

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Speaker 7: It's something the things.

531
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Speaker 8: That he does better than anybody in the world, really,

532
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Speaker 8: but this idea of him just dropping back and empty

533
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Speaker 8: and throwing to his guys that he feels comfortable with

534
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Speaker 8: even if it's not a great matchup, that's not winning.

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Speaker 8: I just don't think that's their best formula. That's kind

536
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Speaker 8: of what he tried to do Aaron Rodgers did last

537
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 8: year with the Jets. That's not the thing to me.

538
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Speaker 8: I think where he can be exceptional is when he's

539
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 8: just sort of running the offense, you know, using all

540
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Speaker 8: the skills in experience that he's had that he has,

541
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Speaker 8: and in helping the players around him, mainly the running backs,

542
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Speaker 8: be successful. And again, I think it's like point guard

543
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 8: not shooting forward, and if he can do that, they

544
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Speaker 8: can be They can actually do some damage in the playoffs.

545
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Speaker 8: But they got to kind of, like, I think, take

546
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Speaker 8: a hard look in the mirror and say, Okay, what

547
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Speaker 8: do we really do best right now?

548
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Speaker 2: So you know, it's really interesting.

549
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Speaker 1: I'm watching Green Band Malik Willis and he goes in

550
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 1: Tennessee and Mike Rables and win now mode, and so

551
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: they don't pay a lot of attention to Eliku. They're

552
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: not going to be there to monitor him and mentor him.

553
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: He goes to Green Bay and there's no necessary urgency.

554
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: You know, Jordan loves your franchise quarterback. So he gets

555
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: a really good coach, Matt Lafleur, he gets a really

556
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: good organization, he gets really good players. And then you

557
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: watch Malik Willis after a couple of years and you're like, oh,

558
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: this kid, kid, this is why he was so well

559
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: thought of. He also went to a small school in college, Matt,

560
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: so the NFL was a huge jump and that, you know,

561
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: that doesn't help. And so I watch him now and

562
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: I watch the Packers and I'm like, Jordan loves the

563
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: franchise guy if you ran a team in this league,

564
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Speaker 1: because there's not going to be many quarterbacks in that

565
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Speaker 1: first round?

566
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Speaker 2: Do you think Malik Willis?

567
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Speaker 1: I look at that talent and I'm like, is he

568
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: a franchise guy or is it just Lafleur the environment?

569
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 1: And he's just a really really talented bridge guy. But

570
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Speaker 1: I'm watching Saturday Night and I'm like, man, there's a

571
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Speaker 1: lot there, Like I get why he was drafted out

572
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Speaker 1: a liberty so high. Would you roll the dice on

573
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Speaker 1: Malik Willis? Is it an environment or is that kid

574
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Speaker 1: a franchise What do you what do you see?

575
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Speaker 8: Are you saying as your starting quarterback in free agency?

576
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Speaker 7: Is that what you mean?

577
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 6: Yeah?

578
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Speaker 2: Just go for it and sign him to a three

579
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Speaker 2: year deal.

580
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's interesting because I remember when he came out,

581
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 8: a lot of people liked him, some people didn't. And

582
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Speaker 8: you know, I remember he was the third string quarterback

583
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 8: in Tennessee and he was an afterthought and it was

584
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 8: about well Levice and Mason Rudolph and these guys, and

585
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 8: you know, clearly your environment does matter. Green Bay is

586
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Speaker 8: one of those places that even back when I was

587
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 8: the backup there, even before I got there, Brett Favre,

588
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 8: Mark Brunell, Tai Depmer, Steve Bono, like, there's like a

589
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 8: lot of guys there in the room. They over invest

590
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 8: in the quarterback position. And Malik is one of those

591
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Speaker 8: guys in a long list that play really really good football.

592
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Speaker 8: I think Matt Lafleura does a great job. I think

593
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Speaker 8: Kyle Shanahan does a great job. I think Sean McVay

594
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 8: does a great job. There's a lot of these guys

595
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 8: that come from that, Kyle Shanahan, Mike Shanahan, Gary Kubiak,

596
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 8: now Clink Kobiak Tree where we have a system that

597
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 8: we believe in. It's not all on you to go

598
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 8: play playground ball. You just have to trust us, be coachable,

599
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 8: and let the offense work for you. It's sort of

600
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 8: like just add milk and stirr kind of deal. And

601
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Speaker 8: some guys are able to make that jump and some

602
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 8: guys aren't. And I think Malik is a great example

603
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Speaker 8: of a guy that plays within the system, has great

604
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Speaker 8: coaching around him, and clearly is a problem for defenses.

605
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Speaker 8: He's kind of overachieved for what is expectation level was

606
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 8: would I make it?

607
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 7: Would I make a jump on him?

608
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Speaker 8: If you're running that exact same offense, I think you

609
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 8: can do that.

610
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, it's fun to watch.

611
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: Okay, So Seattle plays San Francisco. Uh, and it's interesting

612
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: just to be instructive. Niners opened as a one and

613
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: a half point favorite.

614
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: The Sharps, the wise.

615
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: Guys all bet Seattle, And I was telling j Mack

616
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Speaker 1: he loves Purty, and I said, Brock's one of those

617
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: guys that if you give him time.

618
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: And you don't speed him up.

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald's a little like this, that that Brock is

620
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Speaker 1: highly effective.

621
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Speaker 2: If you speed Brock up.

622
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: If you speed Donald up, then you because these guys

623
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: are aggressive, throw the ball down the field.

624
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: Well.

625
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Speaker 1: San Francisco is not going to speed Donald up. They

626
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: have no pass rush. Seattle can speed Brock up. So

627
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Speaker 1: I think Seattle is probably the play here. What do

628
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: you envision You know Seattle so well Seattle San Francisco,

629
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Speaker 1: you've seen.

630
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Speaker 2: Both so many times. What is that going to look like?

631
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Speaker 8: Well, this is a really good Seattle team, and I

632
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 8: know people have been sleeping on them until probably this morning,

633
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 8: you know, on the national scene. This is probably the

634
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 8: best defense they've had in a long long time. This

635
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 8: is the most points they've scored on offense. I think ever,

636
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 8: you know, you go back to Week one though. In

637
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 8: Week one, Seattle played San Fran and they just didn't

638
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 8: look like themselves. And sometimes that can happen when you

639
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 8: play your friends. And Clint Kubiak and Sam Donald, they

640
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 8: came from San Fran, Kyle Shanahan like they know our offense,

641
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 8: and they it was unrecognizable what they decided to be

642
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 8: on offense in that first matchup. They didn't have a

643
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 8: fullback in the game. They were an empty formation so much,

644
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 8: and I think they just got to get back to Hey,

645
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 8: this is our identity and I don't care what you

646
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 8: know about us. We're going to do what we do,

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Speaker 8: and I think if the Seahawks do that the second

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Speaker 8: time around, offensively, yes, I agree, Sam Donald will have

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Speaker 8: time to throw and he'll be comfortable. On the defensive side,

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Speaker 8: I think Leonard Williams, Byron Murphy, DeMarcus Lawrence, those are

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Speaker 8: underrated guys that can at pressure on Pergy. But again,

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Speaker 8: he's very, very elusive and just so, if you just

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Speaker 8: beat your guy in front of you, that doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 8: mean that you won the down. Kind of got to

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Speaker 8: play team defense to the whistle. So now I think

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Speaker 7: Fran I don't.

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Speaker 8: I think this is a too close to call a game.

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Speaker 8: The NFL got it right. Saturday night prime time should

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Speaker 8: be a great one.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck on a Monday, wild night, last night, wild games.

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Speaker 2: Great seeing you man, all right, buddy, see it