Speaker 1: If you can hear my voice right now. Got good
Speaker 1: news and I've got bad news. The good news is
Speaker 1: you are still kicking, baby, you are breathing, you are alive.
Speaker 1: The bad news is you're listening to the podcast known
Speaker 1: as Stradio Lab, the podcast that is a podcast about
Speaker 1: being about a podcast. George, anything to add to that
Speaker 1: or I just want to send a sincere apologies to
Speaker 1: all our listeners for everything we've ever said or done.
Speaker 1: I think you know we've definitely made some mistakes in
Speaker 1: our time, um and and today we're repenting for that.
Speaker 1: We are recording right after and I you know, who's
Speaker 1: to say what what order? We released the episode, So
Speaker 1: this is not doxing anyone, and I want to say
Speaker 1: what their name is, But we are recording after an
Speaker 1: episode in which our world was turned upside down in
Speaker 1: the parts of the episode that did not make it
Speaker 1: into the cut. I mean, we are talking people being
Speaker 1: kicked out of zooms. We are talking computers overheating and
Speaker 1: then needing to be I don't know, plugged in not
Speaker 1: plugged in unclear. We are talking about people getting notifications
Speaker 1: not of us have ever seen before. We are talking
Speaker 1: about computers getting a mind of their own. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is some smart house on Disney Channel stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: we set out on this mission just to record our voices.
Speaker 1: When we started this podcast, that seemed like an easy ask,
Speaker 1: how hard can it be? And you know, each time
Speaker 1: it actually turns out to be quite quite hard. It's
Speaker 1: so everyone should have the right to record their own
Speaker 1: voice and then listen back to it, and yet it's
Speaker 1: still a privilege in so many ways. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: what we're fighting for. Often there are people I meet
Speaker 1: them and they say, I've never recorded my own voice.
Speaker 1: What am I a narcissist? And I say, that's so sad,
Speaker 1: so sad that you don't have that option to to
Speaker 1: reflect on what you sound like with a special guest
Speaker 1: week after week. Sometimes I think, you know that I
Speaker 1: can't help but see the look on your face as
Speaker 1: if you're receiving a text. Yeah, well, yes, did you
Speaker 1: hear the are you? Did you hear the sound on
Speaker 1: my from my computer? Oh no, I saw the worried
Speaker 1: look on your face. Yeah, well my comuter made a
Speaker 1: sound because it is in fact my friend who I'll
Speaker 1: say it lives internationally. Um, And so we use the
Speaker 1: app What's app and I had it open on my
Speaker 1: laptop and it made a sound. Am I not allowed yet?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Uh please Mary back just just sucking
Speaker 1: say we're gonna kick you out again, and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna again. I just want to say that Sam wasn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't hear the sound, just as I didn't hear
Speaker 1: the sound. I want to reiterate that it was the
Speaker 1: worried look on your face. That was what he was
Speaker 1: reacting to, and I reacted as well. I didn't say
Speaker 1: anything in the moments I've been introduced yet, but I
Speaker 1: just want to clear that up between the hosts that
Speaker 1: it actually wasn't had nothing to do with sound on
Speaker 1: your computer. Okay, So, George, I I do feel a
Speaker 1: little bit denied. My basic reality was denied because I
Speaker 1: tried to say, no, it's not the sound. It's the
Speaker 1: worried look on your face. And you said, oh, so
Speaker 1: you heard the sound, and I was like, no, it's
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. It was a look on your face
Speaker 1: of concern. And You're like, you're you're confused because it's
Speaker 1: a what's what'sapp sound instead of a text sound, and
Speaker 1: I was like, it's literally your face reading attacks being
Speaker 1: concerned now refused to believe me until our dear, dear
Speaker 1: guest came in and stood up for me. Well, first
Speaker 1: of all, I believe women, and second of all, I
Speaker 1: just want to say that the sound was relevant in
Speaker 1: that the reason I looked concerned. If I'd got in
Speaker 1: the text, it wouldn't have been a sound attached to it,
Speaker 1: so I would have just seen it moved on fine.
Speaker 1: But because I heard the sound, I said, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what SAP is open in my computer? And if I
Speaker 1: don't do something about this, a SAP and continue to
Speaker 1: make sounds. So the sound itself was the reason for
Speaker 1: the concern, not the content of the message. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: the content of the message was literally that someone I
Speaker 1: am aware of is being vetted for a job and
Speaker 1: he deserves it, love to see it. So it was
Speaker 1: not about the text I was not concerned about. I
Speaker 1: was not concerned about the content. I was concerned about
Speaker 1: the sound. Any other questions, No, Um, I'm totally fine.
Speaker 1: That's a reasonable feeling. I I just you know, I
Speaker 1: think podcasting is it's so important that we listened to
Speaker 1: each other and we you know, respond to what the
Speaker 1: other is saying, and you know, we sort of accept
Speaker 1: each other's realities. And you know, I would, um, just
Speaker 1: really ask of you in the future to respond to
Speaker 1: what I'm telling you. I you are making so little sense.
Speaker 1: I think, I think we are so shaken up from
Speaker 1: the technical difficulties that this has the potential to be
Speaker 1: emotionally unhinged. I mean, can we even get through? I'm
Speaker 1: I on it. First of all, the sound is back,
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to address it because I just
Speaker 1: hope that it leaves. And second of all, I am
Speaker 1: on the verge of something and I don't quite know
Speaker 1: what it is. I would love to, uh trying to
Speaker 1: describe that feeling. Do you I mean, do you ever?
Speaker 1: I guess this is kind of how a lot of
Speaker 1: people have been feeling in these weird times. We are
Speaker 1: simultaneously on the verge, but also the thing we're on
Speaker 1: the verge of is never coming. Yeah, I can relate
Speaker 1: where it's a form of edging. Oh not this in
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I forget where we landed on it. Um,
Speaker 1: I forget, but yeah, it doesn't matter. We don't have time,
Speaker 1: we don't know. How are you? I'm fine? I'm would
Speaker 1: you get good? Well? I'm fine too. Jesus Christ, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I actually don't know if we should. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to bring a guest into
Speaker 1: this toxic environment. Okay, we have to very quickly, in
Speaker 1: thirty seconds, do therapy so we can get over this. Okay,
Speaker 1: how do you feel? I feel good. I feel like
Speaker 1: I accept what just happened. I think that there was
Speaker 1: a lot of technical difficulties and but I actually do
Speaker 1: think the content of that episode was funny and juicy
Speaker 1: and dare I say good Capital G podcasting Capital P.
Speaker 1: How do you feel? I feel fine. I feel very hot.
Speaker 1: The sun is burning my skin off um, and I
Speaker 1: once again I'm not allowed to turn on my A
Speaker 1: c we. I feel like they was a lot of
Speaker 1: me going back and forth between texting and emailing and
Speaker 1: sending zoom links and making sure our next guest who
Speaker 1: are about to introduce was not pissed at me because
Speaker 1: we had kept making her way longer. And I did
Speaker 1: feel like so much. I felt like I was carrying
Speaker 1: so much on my back. Well, I'm sorry that you
Speaker 1: had to text all those zoom links, um, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate you, you know, checking it up for us. M
Speaker 1: h um. Do you Okay, one more question before we
Speaker 1: bring in our guest, and this I think we'll bring
Speaker 1: us back down to earth. Is this a good podcast?
Speaker 1: It's sort of complaining about the previous episode. Good, Well
Speaker 1: it's good and that we're talking. Yes, yes, the only
Speaker 1: podcast is good because it is. Yeah, Well, I think
Speaker 1: it's time to bring in our guest. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: please give it up, open your holes. Hey, what the
Speaker 1: fun is up? You know? I feel like I'm coming
Speaker 1: into a bit of a I don't want to see,
Speaker 1: like there's tension that you could cut with a knife.
Speaker 1: But the thing that I think is beautiful about it
Speaker 1: is that it's not aimed at each other, and more importantly,
Speaker 1: it's not aimed at me. So I feel safe coming
Speaker 1: into this because it's not the first time, you know
Speaker 1: what kind of becoming a third and a dynamic where
Speaker 1: it's it's not really about me. And I know that.
Speaker 1: I know that because you guys really scraped the bottom
Speaker 1: of the barrel with guests before you invited me on.
Speaker 1: And I think it's important to note that this podcast
Speaker 1: has been going on for months and this is my
Speaker 1: kind of first time making appearance. Um, no nothing, no shade.
Speaker 1: As they say, but I just did want to kind
Speaker 1: of put that out there that I see you, I
Speaker 1: hear you, um, and I'm excited to dive into Well,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. You know, you are probably one of the
Speaker 1: people I am in communication with the most. I would
Speaker 1: say we text almost daily. In fact, we just finished
Speaker 1: finished working together on a job where we were the
Speaker 1: only not done. Were not done. That's right now the
Speaker 1: job goes on. I mean, I don't know. I put
Speaker 1: in my two weeks I'm leaving for grace, but um,
Speaker 1: we did just finished working on a job or we
Speaker 1: we were two people in a three person team for something.
Speaker 1: We worked very closely together. Um. And yet it is
Speaker 1: true that despite that fact, despite the fact that I
Speaker 1: would say you are objectively one of my best friends
Speaker 1: in comedy and in life, I never even thought to
Speaker 1: ask you to be on this podcast until um August,
Speaker 1: and we started releasing episodes in March. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was hoping I was hoping you would because I
Speaker 1: have been saying no to podcast. I said I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do another one until I do Stradio Lab
Speaker 1: and that's it. Last final I didn't tell you that,
Speaker 1: but I've been telling you. I've been writing a lot
Speaker 1: of emails to that effect, because you know the girlies,
Speaker 1: they come out and they say, we please your a podcast.
Speaker 1: We talked about drags, as we talked about boys, talk
Speaker 1: about relationships and dating. I said, unfortunately, I am right now,
Speaker 1: I'm not participating in podcasts until I get to be
Speaker 1: a guest on my friend George and my friend Sam's
Speaker 1: podcast um Studio Lab. So go subscribe right or view whatever.
Speaker 1: It is just kind of plugging your guys creative hard
Speaker 1: work as well. Um, and in that way, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I've been a better friend than you. But um,
Speaker 1: that's not really what the podcast is about, is it. No. No,
Speaker 1: I do think that's an interesting perspective because I mean,
Speaker 1: you have been getting paid for that, uh, to be
Speaker 1: your friend, No, to promote our podcast. Okay, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't going to bring that up. Well yeah, But I
Speaker 1: mean the thing is, if if you're going to be
Speaker 1: accusing me of things, it should be noted that the
Speaker 1: reason you couldn't do it before it was because we
Speaker 1: can't have employee. We can't have a paid employee of
Speaker 1: the podcast on as a guest. I mean that will
Speaker 1: be wildly unethical. That's like you know, if I worked
Speaker 1: at g Q and then did an issue of the Sexiest, Hottest,
Speaker 1: most disgustingly Handsome Men, and it was the editor in
Speaker 1: chief of the magazine, you know what, And I completely agree.
Speaker 1: It's and and it's actually illegal to pay podcast guests,
Speaker 1: and that's why no one does it. Well, podcasting is illegal.
Speaker 1: More broadly, that's something no one's talking about, you know, well,
Speaker 1: because you can't talk about it. You can't talk about
Speaker 1: especially can't talk about a podcast. Honey, Well that Double Jeopardy. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's acts exactly what Double Jeopardy is is when you
Speaker 1: talk about how podcasting is illegal on the podcast and yeah,
Speaker 1: here we are. Yeah, and that's why Ashley jud you
Speaker 1: don't see her anymore, honey, now you don't. You know,
Speaker 1: I can see how you would be so upset with um, George.
Speaker 1: I just feel like the sweet spot for getting out
Speaker 1: a podcast is, oh, six months in. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a little fan base, but you know they're not tired
Speaker 1: of't you yet. It's it's actually, you know, sort of
Speaker 1: the peak of a podcast. And so what we're doing
Speaker 1: is actually a huge, huge help to you. And we
Speaker 1: have been planning it all along and you've been paying
Speaker 1: me for six months, which has been nice. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be sending you guys, will be sending me a
Speaker 1: W two. Or who's doing the financials. It's clear that
Speaker 1: George is doing the tech, but who's doing the thing.
Speaker 1: I do the tech, and then I do the kind
Speaker 1: of I'll do like retreats, spirituality and things like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, yeah. I do the finances and I make
Speaker 1: the meals. Sam has a background in Wall Street and
Speaker 1: culinary school. A background in Wall Street. Interesting, grew up
Speaker 1: with a lot of people come from coming from a
Speaker 1: semi background. Well, there are very different there's there's various
Speaker 1: different backgrounds. One can have. It's Wall Street culinary school,
Speaker 1: uhtreats cooking well, cooking, yes, separate from culinary school for sure. Um.
Speaker 1: And then the last one is um. You know, we
Speaker 1: don't talk about that. We don't talk about it. We can't,
Speaker 1: we can't. The last one's secret. It's not really for
Speaker 1: us to say, as like a Greek gay man, a
Speaker 1: white gay man, and a white woman. The last background
Speaker 1: you can come from, it's not really for us to say, no,
Speaker 1: that's so true. Last background is this is it? And
Speaker 1: it's the most important one. And yeah, so I hope
Speaker 1: that you'll dedicate at least one episode, maybe even a
Speaker 1: segment to it in the future, but I won't be involved,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Yeah, that that does make sense. Actually, okay, great,
Speaker 1: your background all that to say, I'm having me here.
Speaker 1: My background is uh, well, okay, I hate to say
Speaker 1: a color outside the lines, but I kind of have
Speaker 1: since I was a kid, and my my background i'm baby. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's anything you see your color outside the lines.
Speaker 1: You do these um works of art and they are
Speaker 1: really quite terrible. Yeah, I'm actually there's one right behind me.
Speaker 1: Oh well not beautiful per se, but no, no anything
Speaker 1: ugly yeah ugly. Yeah, not not good? Do you think,
Speaker 1: you know? And in fact, for what you do for
Speaker 1: other people, you know, it could be seen as a
Speaker 1: commentary on like the art world norms. Like you know,
Speaker 1: it's like how people will have a painting but then
Speaker 1: the canvas is slashed, you know, and then it's making
Speaker 1: some kind of commentary with you. It's interesting because it
Speaker 1: really is is saying nothing. I mean, it really is
Speaker 1: just kind of bad bad And in that though, it
Speaker 1: says volumes, right, that's so true. I love how the
Speaker 1: norm is that art is good and so you're sort
Speaker 1: of subverting that by being bad. Yeah, and I'm all
Speaker 1: about being subversive, So I think that that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of what I'm known for. I would saying subverting that's
Speaker 1: very because can I tell you something? Of course, making
Speaker 1: good art, where's the risk in that? No, nowhere making
Speaker 1: art that you know is bad. And this is something
Speaker 1: straight white men have been doing for years, okay, politics,
Speaker 1: So if anyone has any kind of negative comments or
Speaker 1: thoughts or feelings about my art, you know, you can
Speaker 1: just shove it. Yeah. Well, you actually do something interesting,
Speaker 1: which is that you make physical art like paintings, drawings,
Speaker 1: but then you add a comment section, a physical comments
Speaker 1: section where people um in museums are able to to
Speaker 1: write on the wall you know, I hate this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they do, they do write that, And to them,
Speaker 1: I say, well, what have you made society? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: often some sometimes you know, those people um actually have
Speaker 1: made it. You know. It's a lot of prominent artists
Speaker 1: push artists. Sure, but like you know, I still think
Speaker 1: that sometimes you need to just hold a mirror up
Speaker 1: to society. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, you've been doing you've been.
Speaker 1: You show up, you show up to places, and you
Speaker 1: bring a mirror, and then the whole point is that
Speaker 1: you're holding a mirror up. And then of course the
Speaker 1: feedback has been that is so literal and so stupid,
Speaker 1: like literally, you know, like this feels so elementary, like
Speaker 1: my five year old could have thought of this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but again I think, like, um, like, who are you
Speaker 1: to judge? Right, because there's too much there's too much symbolism.
Speaker 1: I think nowadays, sometimes you just need to say this
Speaker 1: is what I like, you know, I said, holding mirror
Speaker 1: up to society. I wasn't being a metaphoric or against metaphor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I speak and I speak literally or not at all. Uh,
Speaker 1: That's why I'm That's what I'm constantly saying. Literally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whenever someone uses a metaphor or assembly, I I've seen you.
Speaker 1: You shut down. You can't. You know. One thing that
Speaker 1: you mentioned and that I think is so important is
Speaker 1: so much of being a great artist these days, it's
Speaker 1: just show up, you know. Yeah, you gotta show up.
Speaker 1: That's I'll say, just to add to that is showing up,
Speaker 1: the leaving, and so you can you can say that
Speaker 1: I'm putting in a hundred. You're showing up and you're
Speaker 1: going home. Because here's the thing, you always show up
Speaker 1: and you always leave. Shure, show me who's show me
Speaker 1: who else is doing that? I'm not doing it like
Speaker 1: they're like the other girls. Know none of the other
Speaker 1: girls are doing that. They will show up and stay,
Speaker 1: or they will never leave. H no, or they will
Speaker 1: not show up at all, which is different than leaving.
Speaker 1: Not showing up at all isn't leaving completely different? So huh,
Speaker 1: just something for the listeners to think. Oh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that already we stopped. Now that would be enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was actually really intelligent. Yes, So what are some
Speaker 1: of the segments you guys do? Okay, well that's okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if we want to continue to talk about showing up
Speaker 1: versus leaving, how that kind of all breaks out, I'm
Speaker 1: totally I could talk about that for hours. Really. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we were not ready to go into our
Speaker 1: first segment, but I guess you know, suddenly, because you're
Speaker 1: so good at art criticism and art history, you think
Speaker 1: you can control what we do with our own podcast.
Speaker 1: Did but did didn't? I I mean, we're not doing
Speaker 1: the first segment right, now, so because I said, if
Speaker 1: you don't want to, we don't have to. I was giving,
Speaker 1: I was extending in all the branch, and that's entrapment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is insane already you've done double jeopardy on us
Speaker 1: and entrapment on us. You know what I say to that,
Speaker 1: take take me away? Locked me up? Oh oh, she's
Speaker 1: presenting her risks as if to be Listeners can't see this,
Speaker 1: but she's presenting her risks, which is a cultural symbol
Speaker 1: of being handcuffed. I knew someone in college who, um,
Speaker 1: this is actually terrible. This is not some what I
Speaker 1: was very close to you, but it's a story I
Speaker 1: heard who was dw having on the wrong side of
Speaker 1: the street and like the police pulled her over. Obviously
Speaker 1: she was like intoxicated, right, it wasn't it wasn't that obvious.
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe she's punk, right, So then she
Speaker 1: gets out of the car and literally presents her risks
Speaker 1: and just goes just arrest me. Okay, queen legend I love.
Speaker 1: Turning yourself in is punk rock, that's true. Turning herself
Speaker 1: in is very I mean talk about literal, and that
Speaker 1: woman I want to feel old. That woman is Phoebe Bridgers.
Speaker 1: I mean the amount of I think it's so mature,
Speaker 1: it's so like you know yourself, and that's so important.
Speaker 1: Self aware queen, self aware queen. You know, she's not
Speaker 1: saying I didn't do it, or like am I drunk?
Speaker 1: She's saying, get over, let's not do the song. And
Speaker 1: she said, let's cut the ship, let's go down to
Speaker 1: brass hats. Yes, she said, I'm going to be a
Speaker 1: lawyer someday, and I don't have time for us to
Speaker 1: fuck a round here. I'm in college and I'm friends
Speaker 1: with a friend of George's. Yeah, yeah, exactly, and made
Speaker 1: it into the police report. I mean it started a
Speaker 1: trend of people turning themselves in. It was, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a movement. And then people would go and they
Speaker 1: would say arrest me, and then the police would be like, listen,
Speaker 1: like you didn't do anything, Like we can't just arrest anyone.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, yeah, anyway, um um, I guess
Speaker 1: we can do our first segment. Yeah, so, Marybeth. In
Speaker 1: our first segment, it's called straight Shooters and this and
Speaker 1: this is where we uh kind of engauge your relationship
Speaker 1: to and complicity in what's known as straight culture through
Speaker 1: a series of rapid fire questions. Now, of course you've
Speaker 1: listened before, so you know that the one rule is
Speaker 1: that you can't ask any follow up questions or any
Speaker 1: clarification on how the game works, and if you do,
Speaker 1: we will yell at you. Okay, So, Mary Beth, Oh,
Speaker 1: you know what. I'm now realizing one of mine is incomplete,
Speaker 1: so I'll have to think of it on the spot
Speaker 1: Flat Stanley or fat Albert flat Stanley. Okay, Mary Beth,
Speaker 1: I'm also thinking of them on the spot. Um slash
Speaker 1: rapidly no, no I do um, Mary Beth. Um November
Speaker 1: or Manuary November. You're so gay by Katy Perry. Or
Speaker 1: wish you were gay by Billie Eilish. Thank you for
Speaker 1: saying that you're so gay by Katy Perry. Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: the floor is lava or the floor is a gorgeous hardwood.
Speaker 1: The floor is a gorgeous hardwood. Roy g biv or
Speaker 1: Roy Cone v George Severi's I shit you not? I
Speaker 1: was about to do Roy g bib or Roy Orbison.
Speaker 1: Are you fucking kidding? I'm absolutely serious. Well, I'd have
Speaker 1: to stay again, Rigi bib okay, Roy gibib or Royal
Speaker 1: tin stein Stein. I'm out of Roy's but definitely respect
Speaker 1: Um okay, Logan Roy just for the future. Yeah, which one? Okay?
Speaker 1: Rover Shivroy Chivroy. You hate colors? Homophobic, homophobic, just hate
Speaker 1: the Pride flag. It's gramatica. She's a joyant Queens queen.
Speaker 1: Don't get me started. Mary Beth um Ferrari's Lamborghinis or Rigatonis,
Speaker 1: Oh Lamborghinis Marybeth, George Severis or Sam Taggard Chivroy. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. That's good. Yeah. Well here here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Don't make me choose. No, it was a drop for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, well that is the premise of the segment.
Speaker 1: But sure, Sorry, I'm just off being subversed again. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna rate you on a scale of one
Speaker 1: to one thousand doves. And I'm getting very clearly in
Speaker 1: my head that was a clean five. Wows. I think
Speaker 1: that's fair. I think that's really fair. Well great, well great, um,
Speaker 1: did you want me to ask questions about the rating?
Speaker 1: Here's the thing with Roy. Here's the thing about it,
Speaker 1: and this is something I really struggle with. You know,
Speaker 1: everything else is very basic blue red, and then instead
Speaker 1: of saying purple, you say violent. It does not add
Speaker 1: up to me. I think there was that there was
Speaker 1: a gay man involved in that decision. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean any offense by that, but I think we could
Speaker 1: have probably stuck with purple, and then there was probably
Speaker 1: like a gay scientist in the back. Can I contribute
Speaker 1: something exactly? What if I was like, hey, I'm offended
Speaker 1: by that? What if I was really pissed that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we don't have time to unpack it. I do
Speaker 1: think though, that you're right, and that you know, writer's
Speaker 1: rooms in science are very um straight male heavy, and
Speaker 1: they're always they're always pitching as well. Yeah, science is
Speaker 1: written by writer's rooms, you know, all old boys club whatever.
Speaker 1: The Roy G BIV room all male, but one of
Speaker 1: them was gay. Absolutely, that pink isn't in the rainbow
Speaker 1: exactly because there's no girls. They're no girls, little girls.
Speaker 1: You know. I do like Roy G BIB better than
Speaker 1: Roy G BIP, though I think Roy g Bip is
Speaker 1: so much funnier and cooler. I have to agree with George,
Speaker 1: so in that way, I do I choose George. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, she's still answering the question damn choosing George,
Speaker 1: but via the avenue of ROYGBIV, which was such a
Speaker 1: prominent figure in the rest of the questions. Roy gi
Speaker 1: Bip to me is is it's Charlie x X. It's yes,
Speaker 1: that's the name of her next album and she is
Speaker 1: making another one iconic. If her album was called roy
Speaker 1: g BIP and the concept was just like a purple
Speaker 1: instead of violet, I mean that actually is really funny.
Speaker 1: If she did that, that that would be genius. If she
Speaker 1: was listening, Charlie, if you're listening, that's free for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we won't charge. We will charge for the next album exactly.
Speaker 1: Isn't it ironic that even though the v was you know,
Speaker 1: the contribution of the one game in in the writer's room,
Speaker 1: roy g BIP is so much gay And I think
Speaker 1: it's because that gay And I can't say that that
Speaker 1: gay had no foresight. Yeah no, but he did have
Speaker 1: forest skin. I would also say that from Europe, I
Speaker 1: would say it's highly possible for that gay in that
Speaker 1: room to be, you know, a little bit self conscious
Speaker 1: of being the only gay scientist. So I bet he
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, how can I like insert like let
Speaker 1: people know I'm gay, Violet, but not let them him
Speaker 1: too gay, and not have it end in roy g
Speaker 1: bip exactly. So it's kind of internalized homophobia. To end
Speaker 1: it in Violet. It is internalized homophobia. And it's like
Speaker 1: and is in his quest to fit in with the boys,
Speaker 1: like be one of the guys, he ended up making
Speaker 1: one of the worst mistakes in scientific history. I have
Speaker 1: to agree. I think Nara has a bigger mistake been
Speaker 1: made than the royg bi versus rogip kind of conversation.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard about that. You you won't hear about that.
Speaker 1: You won't learn about that in school, but you're gonna
Speaker 1: learn about it here, you know what. And here's just
Speaker 1: speaking of colors. The first majority gay writer's room was
Speaker 1: the people who came up with the primary colors instead
Speaker 1: of red white or sorry, red blue and yellow, the
Speaker 1: people that thought of cyan, magenta and yellow. Is that
Speaker 1: real punch up? Huh? They were doing a punch up
Speaker 1: on the original? Yeah, they said this. It was like
Speaker 1: a really you know, it was like one of those
Speaker 1: remakes where um, you know the it's like, um, you
Speaker 1: know Riverdale versus the Archie comics. Yeah, I think they said,
Speaker 1: they said, as Jennifer Lawrence once said, gay rights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's definitely representation and it's powerful and it saves a
Speaker 1: lot of kids lives. God, I mean, but now we
Speaker 1: do have an overpopulation problem, not for long because of everything. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I here's what I think. I think gay
Speaker 1: comedy specifically, we just we just gotta hold like cuts
Speaker 1: every year. Like, I think we just need to have
Speaker 1: cuts money, right. I am the number one proponent of
Speaker 1: this movement, but not just for gays. I think we
Speaker 1: need to have cuts across the board, cut cut, cuts
Speaker 1: across the bar. I think that's genius. I think it's time.
Speaker 1: You know, who gets to decide though, the head of CIA, Well,
Speaker 1: of course, I think. I mean, if we're keeping it
Speaker 1: fair right, Well cool, Um, well now that's figured out.
Speaker 1: Yeah I do. You can you imagine, though, being one
Speaker 1: of the people who's cut, You know I can. I
Speaker 1: don't want to live a full and happy life. It's true. God,
Speaker 1: I wish I was cut. You know, I've dealt with
Speaker 1: loss in this industry, you know, countless times. I can
Speaker 1: deal with getting cut. One year, I'm going to be
Speaker 1: that girl in America's next top model. Who was like,
Speaker 1: this is not for me, and then she left. She
Speaker 1: was like, no, it's just not It's just not for me.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, don't you think in any job?
Speaker 1: And even she walks out, she's can I just say something?
Speaker 1: She is the number one icon of showing up and
Speaker 1: then leaving. That's true. She's she originated the language. No
Speaker 1: one is doing it like her, nobody is, nobody has
Speaker 1: if every production it's like and then you know, it's like, no,
Speaker 1: you have to keep a clean show up, leave, leave,
Speaker 1: get out. Unbelievable. I mean again, to know yourself, to
Speaker 1: have that self awareness. It's sort of the arrest me, like,
Speaker 1: just I don't want to like, I love that. I wish,
Speaker 1: I wish I could do that. Where is she now?
Speaker 1: I hope she's well, she's probably a c of CIA,
Speaker 1: She's a charge of the cuts. And it doesn't once
Speaker 1: you leave, once you leave this over, yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: come back the next year. No, No, oh you can't. Damn.
Speaker 1: I was gonna audition again for what to be in
Speaker 1: Harold Knight, not Harold Knight at the Yeah, in the
Speaker 1: world of New York stand up comedy. You're George. Remember
Speaker 1: when I texted you of eader scene and I kind
Speaker 1: of took creative liberties with this. I wish I remember
Speaker 1: what the spelling was. The two things we have spelled
Speaker 1: in an insane way our our feedersane and ayahuasca. You
Speaker 1: know you're allowed to not know how to spell whatever
Speaker 1: you want. I have to that's empowerment. You know what.
Speaker 1: I can never spell. I can never my job and
Speaker 1: I always google about seven times the last two years.
Speaker 1: Voice note, Honey, I think I put that pressure on yourself.
Speaker 1: I think it's so funny to write m PEL, but
Speaker 1: I still don't know how to spell it, and that's
Speaker 1: your right, honestly, and I correct is not helping. I
Speaker 1: mean the amount of times you have looked it up
Speaker 1: and then written it down. It does not correct, sees
Speaker 1: what it wants to see. Correct, pretends like I'm not
Speaker 1: even here, like it like pretends like I don't even exist.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, the stuff. It's like, you know what I want?
Speaker 1: Why why don't you make some way? Making this difficult?
Speaker 1: M HM questions will never have answers to, well, well,
Speaker 1: um should we Mary Beth? You're introduce our topic ors. Yeah, Now,
Speaker 1: the other thing that happened I'm actually no, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say this. I was going to mention our
Speaker 1: previous episode again, but that's we've already staged it looking
Speaker 1: toward the future. We're looking towards the future. We really
Speaker 1: really are. I mean we're not. We're still talking about it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, just briefly, um Merribeth, your topic is
Speaker 1: the television series The Sopranos. Tell us about that. I okay,
Speaker 1: so many a straight man has tried to coax me
Speaker 1: into watching The Sopranos, claiming it's the best show ever,
Speaker 1: claiming it's the greatest show. That's that's gray star screens,
Speaker 1: claiming it's some of the best performances of all time. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: give us straight straight and he's just agreeing fervently. Well,
Speaker 1: I just think that a show that has men that
Speaker 1: look like that who can sing, I don't even understand
Speaker 1: how it works if you have all sopranos in the
Speaker 1: group of Second of all, what's the big deal? Right?
Speaker 1: First of all, like they have high voices, it's not
Speaker 1: a big deal. Do you think it's homophobic that, like
Speaker 1: it's kind of making fun of them for having high voices?
Speaker 1: Not only do I think it's homophobics that it's making
Speaker 1: fun of them for having my voices. I think it's
Speaker 1: homophobic that, from what I understand, there's no gay actors
Speaker 1: in the whole thing. No, no, yeah, it's it's crazy
Speaker 1: they went and found straight men who are sopranos where
Speaker 1: they find them. I'm not buying it. I find the
Speaker 1: plot to be so compelling because you know, it's this
Speaker 1: group of sopranos and they're like all this one style
Speaker 1: of singer, and like they still make it to regionals
Speaker 1: despite all the odds. Not that I'm going to watch it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, well no, it's known that they make they
Speaker 1: make it to regionals every season finale except the final
Speaker 1: one when you know they don't. Sorry spoiler, but that's
Speaker 1: how it ends. Soiler, I also think in the way
Speaker 1: that and from what I understand, because I've never seen
Speaker 1: it once again, never watched even a single minute of it,
Speaker 1: but from from what I've heard, they killed Tony in
Speaker 1: the end, and then that actor died and that just
Speaker 1: felt like a little on those to me. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you like flitteral as I am. It just felt like
Speaker 1: he went for cheap laughs, right, you shouldn't have died.
Speaker 1: I think that was a weird decision when he I
Speaker 1: think it's so messed up when people choose to die.
Speaker 1: It's like just stay. I get why in some respects,
Speaker 1: But if your character on a show that you're most
Speaker 1: famous for has just died, and you've just done a
Speaker 1: movie with Julia Louis Dreyfuss, I don't even know that
Speaker 1: if it had come out yet, feels like, you know,
Speaker 1: you could have been there for the press tour just
Speaker 1: because you've had your kind of career defining moment. Julia
Speaker 1: Louis Dreyfuss famously hasn't, so you know, she's never been
Speaker 1: in a hit TV show, and she could have probably
Speaker 1: really used Okay, she probably could have been controversial statement.
Speaker 1: She's never been in a single let alone too. She's
Speaker 1: definitely never been in a single hit TV show, So
Speaker 1: I just think she maybe could have used that movie
Speaker 1: to kind of propel see. You know, It's it's interesting
Speaker 1: because I was so on board. It's one of those
Speaker 1: things I think is happening where you are talking to
Speaker 1: someone and they and they make increasingly unhinged claims and
Speaker 1: you and you are playing a lie and you're saying,
Speaker 1: maybe this will start making sense and then you realize, no,
Speaker 1: this person's batshit insane. You're talking about Sam. Um. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's where he was going. Actually, George, am
Speaker 1: I talking about Sam. Here's what I will say. Here
Speaker 1: is what I will say. I think you know, Mary Beth,
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is that you think James
Speaker 1: Gandolfini should come back to life because it was rude
Speaker 1: for him to die before Julia Louis Drive has had
Speaker 1: her moment, and I think we want the same thing,
Speaker 1: but for different reasons. I have made it very clear
Speaker 1: in my work that I also think James Gandolfini should
Speaker 1: rise from the grave, but only for the sole purpose
Speaker 1: of having sex with me. I mean this man to
Speaker 1: be reborn as his current age, and um the current age. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I there is an inconsistency here. If
Speaker 1: we are so into the idea of showing up and
Speaker 1: then leaving, isn't dying the ultimate leaving? Why are we
Speaker 1: against that? But I guess it's a matter of knowing
Speaker 1: the right time. I agree, and I think it wasn't
Speaker 1: the right time. Yea, So living is showing up. But
Speaker 1: thank you for there's always so angry at people for
Speaker 1: um passing away. She never thinks it's the right time.
Speaker 1: She always comments on obituaries and says boom wow. Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: it just feels selfish to me, and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: if you have more to do and more to say,
Speaker 1: kind of robbing the world of that is inherently um yeah.
Speaker 1: Just it's not something I support. And I think that
Speaker 1: if he's you know, if he were alive today, I
Speaker 1: would tell him that as well. Yeah, guys, what's your favorite?
Speaker 1: I know we all haven't seen the show, but you know,
Speaker 1: we all listened to the cast recording soundtrack? What's your favorite?
Speaker 1: Mash up from the Sopranos cast recording soundtrack? Okay, I
Speaker 1: love when they did Let's have a Kiki, Yes, when
Speaker 1: Tony like Tony's like big moment in that nh huh
Speaker 1: see for me and I don't want to I don't
Speaker 1: want it to seem like I'm copying, But for me,
Speaker 1: it was when they did um, Kiki, do you love me?
Speaker 1: Are you writing? Oh? They kind of did a soprano
Speaker 1: version of that. I thought Pauli Walnut's voice was really
Speaker 1: cool in that one. I think when Michael Imperioli did Valerie.
Speaker 1: I I thought that was so and you know he
Speaker 1: was listen. He wasn't the best singer, no but that,
Speaker 1: but he said, he said, I'm going to step up
Speaker 1: to the plate and I'm going to sing the ship
Speaker 1: out of Valerie. And he did it. Sam. How about you? Um?
Speaker 1: I happened to remember, you know, I've always been sort
Speaker 1: of more alternative. Um, I remember a rendition of Beck's
Speaker 1: I'm a Loser Baby that you know, it just really
Speaker 1: spoke to me at that time in my life. And
Speaker 1: they mashed it up with radio heads creep, so it's
Speaker 1: I'm a loser. What is the Beck one? I'm a
Speaker 1: loser Baby, and then it's I'm a I'm a weird
Speaker 1: I'm a weirdo. What the hell am I doing here? Exactly?
Speaker 1: And I think that gave kind of Jamie Lynn Siegler,
Speaker 1: who you may know from HBO's Entourage. She did a
Speaker 1: turtle in one season. Excuse me, Uh. She hadn't really
Speaker 1: had her time to shine yet. And even though she
Speaker 1: technically I don't think her vocal range fell into soprano,
Speaker 1: so it was all the everyone else was a soprano.
Speaker 1: And then it was really controversial when they hired her,
Speaker 1: especially because you know, she started on that show as
Speaker 1: a teen and she has had been a tenor since
Speaker 1: she was a child. Yeah. Um, and people said, she
Speaker 1: doesn't belong like this, it doesn't make any sense. So
Speaker 1: in that way, it was a little meta because she
Speaker 1: says that I don't belong here, and you think, well,
Speaker 1: you don't actually, because right, and it was, you know,
Speaker 1: sung with a tenor like, oh, I don't plong here,
Speaker 1: and you know, imagine Jamie Lynn Sigler doing that. I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't until I hear it, you know what I mean? Well,
Speaker 1: that was I just played what you just heard. That
Speaker 1: was the cast recording. Okay, right, right, absolutely, of course,
Speaker 1: of course. Um, okay, here's the question. Do you guys
Speaker 1: believe in the Sopranos curse? Oh? Oh, Sam, remind me,
Speaker 1: remind me too much, remind me. I mean, you can't,
Speaker 1: it's too bad. Here's the thing about the Sopranos. I
Speaker 1: think that there's never been a show like it, and
Speaker 1: I'm saying that as someone who has never seen it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. I mean, it made musicals acceptable for straight men.
Speaker 1: It did what Glee was, but but Glee had to
Speaker 1: walk so that the Sopranos could have run exactly even
Speaker 1: though and don't you know people are like writing in
Speaker 1: about the timing. Don't worry about it. People are always
Speaker 1: writing and trying to fact check us. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like no, you can like you can first walk
Speaker 1: then run like you can run then walk like absolutely.
Speaker 1: But I question to you is what's the curse? Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: The curse The Sopranos curse is that after the series
Speaker 1: was over, all of them were relegated to supporting roles
Speaker 1: except for Edie Falco. Okay, but she earned her stripes.
Speaker 1: I'd say, oh yeah, I mean she's the one who
Speaker 1: got Nurse Jackie. James Candelfini was up for that. He
Speaker 1: was going to be a Nurse Jackie and they said,
Speaker 1: they said sorry when they were casting that, it was
Speaker 1: they were only casting cast members of the Sopranos, So
Speaker 1: it was either going to be a Nurse Jackie like
Speaker 1: with Michael Imperioli or James Gendelfeni or Jamie lynd Sigler
Speaker 1: like and it and it was Eadie. And that's why
Speaker 1: actually James had to do that movie with unknown at
Speaker 1: the time, actress Julia Louis Dreyfuss. Yeah, because he still
Speaker 1: hasn't ever been in the show. I said, never been
Speaker 1: a hit show. She's honestly had like you know, under
Speaker 1: fives on a couple of shows. She's just never been
Speaker 1: like a main character on a hit show. Yeah. She
Speaker 1: was on a forgotten show called Seinfeld that people now
Speaker 1: I guess are watching because there's like bootleg DVDs of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's not in any streaming platforms. And no one
Speaker 1: from that show really went on to do anything. No, no, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a really sad story. It's really there's there's a
Speaker 1: Seinfeld curse. But we're not going to get into that.
Speaker 1: Well interesting, god, you know you you rules can be
Speaker 1: broken so easily. Yeah, I think that's what that's a
Speaker 1: message of the soprano because because they said we can't
Speaker 1: have a singing group with all sopranos, and they said,
Speaker 1: watched me, thank you. Oh my god. Now I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm staying against me and they all, but they
Speaker 1: managed to harmonize. I actually have I have a gay
Speaker 1: friend watching it right now, and that's what I was
Speaker 1: going to star. He's says, He says, if I'm being real,
Speaker 1: it's incredibly boring. Okay, that's interesting because I have been
Speaker 1: so this is a show that my uh boyfriend and
Speaker 1: I have been meaning to start watching together, and I
Speaker 1: think it's like a good activity to do in a couple.
Speaker 1: No offense to all the single ladies out there listening,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately we're not allowed. No, I actually don't care
Speaker 1: about offending those, um but it's actually you better get
Speaker 1: a man. It's interesting people think. You know, there are
Speaker 1: people that are that think they're that they are not
Speaker 1: watching the Sopranos because they're empowered. It's like, if you could,
Speaker 1: you would, Yeah, yeah, it's all these also spinsters are
Speaker 1: not watching. So many of these women they think, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I can have it all. I can have
Speaker 1: a career. It's like, no, all you want to do
Speaker 1: is watch the Sopranos. Stupid, but you can't because you
Speaker 1: don't have a damn man in your life. Like ring
Speaker 1: on that finger and watch the Sopranos. So it's always
Speaker 1: inspiring when you go to a wedding and then you
Speaker 1: know people are doing the toast and the bride speaks
Speaker 1: and through tears she goes, I can finally watch the Sopranos,
Speaker 1: and it's what's more touching for me is when the
Speaker 1: dad gets up and I never thought it would happen
Speaker 1: for my daughter, but now she gets to watch it's
Speaker 1: Home Box Offices show, It's and you know what this
Speaker 1: I'll cup up to the fact that it is kind
Speaker 1: of gay privilege that I I Am allowed to watch
Speaker 1: it just through having a boyfriend. And we don't need
Speaker 1: to be legally married. But for straight people, you do
Speaker 1: need to be legally married before you can log into
Speaker 1: I mean, you can get to HBO, but when you
Speaker 1: click the sopranos, they you have to present the marriage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it says if you click on it in your single,
Speaker 1: it says, did you mean HBO's Girls. Right, you're kind
Speaker 1: of prompted, you're redirected. It says four or four and
Speaker 1: then it says, if this page takes more of those
Speaker 1: things alone, so you click the button and then it's
Speaker 1: actually it's actually HBO's Girls by Lena Danaman, Judd Apatow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you for including Judd Apatow and Jenny Connor, and
Speaker 1: then and Jenny Connor as well, and less we forget
Speaker 1: Alison Williams, you know, Jemima Kirk and then the one
Speaker 1: that plays yell. At this point, we're just listening to
Speaker 1: the cast, but you know, they all had a part
Speaker 1: in making the story come to life. That's I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: but I think we're trying to keep it sort of
Speaker 1: in the executive producer realm Oh, I'm sorry. I thought
Speaker 1: this was a free space to talk about creative projects. Marybeth,
Speaker 1: Do you think diversity matters more on screen or off screen? Oh?
Speaker 1: My gosh, and you can't have both, by the way,
Speaker 1: it's a binary, you know. Then I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to say on screen because as we've
Speaker 1: seen with James Gandelfini, art imitates life, so I'll make
Speaker 1: that choice for the community. Or sorry, life imitates arts,
Speaker 1: so I'll make that choice for the community to say
Speaker 1: on screen. And then I think, like it trickled down,
Speaker 1: it will happen. There you have it. Marybeth Browne thinks
Speaker 1: all stories should be written by straight white men played
Speaker 1: by people of color. Yeah, it feels very almost exploitative.
Speaker 1: When you said off screen, I thought you meant like
Speaker 1: in an office, like like in everyday life, like on
Speaker 1: the bus. Oh, I don't think there are any jobs
Speaker 1: that are not on camera. Well, then we agree to disagree.
Speaker 1: Are there offices that are like not being filmed? I
Speaker 1: don't know that I've been to one, but I've heard
Speaker 1: about them. Yeah, yeah, maybe if you're like a like
Speaker 1: a like a dentist. No, they filmed those for TLC. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, my American Denta and and and the
Speaker 1: spinoff nine Dentist Fiance. That one is really pretty boring.
Speaker 1: It's extremely specific, and it's like, I don't know that
Speaker 1: this needed to be made, but but then here we are.
Speaker 1: People are you know people? It's it's giving jobs to people,
Speaker 1: mostly straight white men, because you're in charge of the network.
Speaker 1: If I was in charge of the network, things would
Speaker 1: be a lot different. How would you change TLC if
Speaker 1: you were in charge of it? Yeah, from the inside out,
Speaker 1: which well I was obviously you beat me to it,
Speaker 1: but I was gonna say, I just feel like, if
Speaker 1: you're going to make a show about an Italian family,
Speaker 1: there's just richer stories to be mine within that, Like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm not seeing on TV. I'm not
Speaker 1: seeing like a gang crime drama, mafia type story, which
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, they're always singing, they're always
Speaker 1: on the stage, they're always being flamboyant, no offense, and
Speaker 1: I just think to co opt a culture like that,
Speaker 1: I've never met an Italian like that, and I think
Speaker 1: it's just not reflective of the Italian American experience in
Speaker 1: New York. And so I just think if I were
Speaker 1: to go in and pitch sopranos like I just think,
Speaker 1: and I was also the ahead of the network. Um,
Speaker 1: so you're pitching to yourself. Yeah, you're pitching sopranos to
Speaker 1: yourself for TLC. Yeah, I'm just saying it would look different. Okay,
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. And I've never listened, I've never
Speaker 1: met an Italian American, but I in my mind, you know,
Speaker 1: I've grown up seeing these images like I've grown up,
Speaker 1: and they're always singers. You know, it's like it's like
Speaker 1: it can't be really, I just cannot It's not rooted
Speaker 1: in truth. It's not there. I'm sure, just like any community,
Speaker 1: there's diversity within the Italian American community, like not all
Speaker 1: of them, the singers. There's more than sopranos at least started,
Speaker 1: yes exactly. I mean, okay, fine, make the most singers
Speaker 1: throw in an alto, of course, but then you get
Speaker 1: into the question of like, is this tokenism to have
Speaker 1: just one? I mean that's Jamie Lee Sigler dealt with
Speaker 1: us throughout the series being the only tenor yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean these are important questions, you know. Yeah, no, and
Speaker 1: the answers are actually not important. Yeah, it's I think
Speaker 1: it's and I've always said this, it's more important to
Speaker 1: ask the question, I think, than to get the answer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes getting answers can be actively harmful. I agree. You
Speaker 1: have to close your ears. It's just the question. It's
Speaker 1: like Schrodinger's tat, you know, like exactly, it's exactly the
Speaker 1: open box. We don't want the answer, We just want
Speaker 1: to outpose the question and say my work is done exactly.
Speaker 1: Italian American representation is just like Schrodinger's cat. Shrodinger's cat. Well,
Speaker 1: oh my god, um wow. I have to say, it
Speaker 1: feels like we've covered most of culture. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: You know. When I came on here, I thought I
Speaker 1: will uncover a few will turn over a few stones.
Speaker 1: I didn't think we'd get this deep. And I have
Speaker 1: to say I'm happy, and honestly I think the listeners
Speaker 1: will be as well. Yeah, I hope so, I think
Speaker 1: they will be um and and Sam having said all that,
Speaker 1: enjoy what finishing watching sopranos? Yeah? Sam, I mean, now
Speaker 1: you know that at the end they don't win regionals
Speaker 1: and then James Gendelfini dies of sadness. I did hear
Speaker 1: that he was actually like a huge diva on set,
Speaker 1: so it's actually probably good that. Yeah listen, Okay, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to get into this, but James candel Foenie
Speaker 1: in real life is not a soprano. He's doing soprano face.
Speaker 1: Are you fucking kidding me? James Candelfenie when he speaks
Speaker 1: literally sounds like kind of you know what kind of
Speaker 1: the average um you know when you think of like
Speaker 1: a man of his height, stature, background, like, he sounds
Speaker 1: exactly like you would think he would sound. And then
Speaker 1: he for his audition. He walked in and even even
Speaker 1: before he was like doing the audition part, he would
Speaker 1: speak in a soprano voice so they would think it
Speaker 1: was natural. And then he sure enough went through the
Speaker 1: entire process that the entire show. There was even an
Speaker 1: expose about it, but no one cared. It wasn't at
Speaker 1: the time, it wasn't considered controversial. I mean, people said,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's voice blind, asking like anyone can
Speaker 1: be a soprano. That's just not that's just objectively untrue.
Speaker 1: And I think that that shed is kind of a
Speaker 1: light on the show. That's it's just a lot more
Speaker 1: problematic than people say. And that was kind of my
Speaker 1: goal coming on here, was just talking about that. And
Speaker 1: then now I'm learning things that I even I didn't know. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a reckoning that's overdue, and it's it's a weird
Speaker 1: conversation to have because, as you said, you don't want
Speaker 1: to kick people while they're down, um in the ground,
Speaker 1: he's literally dead. Yeah, um, but you know, I mean
Speaker 1: it was tough and uh, how do you feel do
Speaker 1: you feel like a weight it's been lifted? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I I you know, here's what I'll say.
Speaker 1: Then he it was so interesting because then he did
Speaker 1: all these other films where he wasn't speaking in a
Speaker 1: soprano voice, and people said lauded him for being so
Speaker 1: good at doing the other voices, but in fact, that
Speaker 1: was his real voice. I'm mean, I'm they couldn't just
Speaker 1: find a soprano, you know what I mean. I'm so shocked.
Speaker 1: You know, it's because he's kind of doing like when
Speaker 1: you put it like that, you see how he's kind
Speaker 1: of a caricature of us. Exactly, he's doing like a stereotype.
Speaker 1: This is like when I found out that the guy
Speaker 1: that isn't Jesse Tyler Ferguson in Modern Family is st
Speaker 1: It's exactly like that. There are no differences, and it's
Speaker 1: just kind of upsetting. But it's tough because he is
Speaker 1: good in the role both yea, and so he can
Speaker 1: hit a note. Um, do you think that guy? I
Speaker 1: think the guy from Modern Family should change his name
Speaker 1: to forever to the guy from Modern Family that isn't Jesse. H.
Speaker 1: I think it would just be easier. Actually, I agree,
Speaker 1: because that's kind of that's his moniker anyway, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: I know him. That's his character's name. It should be
Speaker 1: his name. Yeah. God, Modern Family, Is that show still on?
Speaker 1: I think they're rebooting it with a different family, but
Speaker 1: is it's still modern? No, it's postmder Family, post modern Family,
Speaker 1: and it's also going to get a post comedy, so
Speaker 1: it's kind of just like they're getting, you know, post
Speaker 1: on top of post, but it will be a show
Speaker 1: on even and it's actually absolutely again literally literal, So
Speaker 1: in that way, I will be watching. Oh yeah, well
Speaker 1: just like um, Meryl Streeps The Post, I will be watching.
Speaker 1: I will Okay, you know Meryl Streeps the Post that
Speaker 1: was about the post office. Yeah, she played she played
Speaker 1: an envelope, believed and had a dream. She was praised
Speaker 1: for that performance too, wasn't It's like anyone complaint, Sorry,
Speaker 1: no offense, but like I could play an envelope. It
Speaker 1: really was like, Okay, you're just gobbling up literally whatever
Speaker 1: Meryll throws at you, Like she's literally an envelope and
Speaker 1: you're loving it. Like, get over it. Do you think
Speaker 1: she ever got over being passed for the main role
Speaker 1: the James Gandel Fenie role in the Sopranos. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that's something that she refuses to talk about
Speaker 1: in interviews, which makes me think she probably was pretty upset. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she deserves to be a patriarch of a family, if
Speaker 1: ever they're were deserving person, you know, for that role.
Speaker 1: So I think my heart goes out to her. Heaven
Speaker 1: knows she needed the work, but my heart is always
Speaker 1: going out to Meryl Streep. I have to say this
Speaker 1: is controversial, but I feel like we should quote while
Speaker 1: we're ahead into our final segment. I love that. It's incredible, right,
Speaker 1: I'm also very aware of certain time issues. Listen, don't
Speaker 1: do anything on my behalf. But if we're going to
Speaker 1: get into the final set, just let me know because
Speaker 1: I'll buckle up. Okay, I'm ready for the final segment.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't like have one. I think I
Speaker 1: do have one. Um, Mary, Beth, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you need some listeners. I was gonna explain what the
Speaker 1: final segment is. Do I have to or just she
Speaker 1: already know. I think she knows. She says she doesn't know.
Speaker 1: I think that she knows, Mary about the final segment.
Speaker 1: Shout outs. You give a shout out to anything, and
Speaker 1: you know, in the in the voice of sort of
Speaker 1: a teen at at t r L in two thousand two,
Speaker 1: just shouting out your squad. Here's the thing with this
Speaker 1: segment is that it's very I mean, you like literal stuff.
Speaker 1: I think the idea of radio shoutouts being straight culture
Speaker 1: is very literal. It is one of the first things
Speaker 1: we thought of when we were in septualizing this podcast,
Speaker 1: and as the rest of the podcast has grown and
Speaker 1: unexpected and avant Garde directions. This segment has stayed the same,
Speaker 1: and I have remained bad at it, you know, and
Speaker 1: some times George actively sabotages this segment in order to
Speaker 1: make me look bad. Uh see last episode. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: make myself look bad in order to make Sam look
Speaker 1: bad because you know, he's trying to use as evidence.
Speaker 1: He's trying to be like, see, I don't like it,
Speaker 1: like see, it doesn't work, and I'm like, it doesn't
Speaker 1: work your maybe you go first, I'll go second, George third. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's see what you have ready, sam My freaking god? Um, okay,
Speaker 1: what's up the listeners. I just want to give a
Speaker 1: quick shout out to everybody at jacobrif speech speech last weekend. Um,
Speaker 1: everyone I ever knew was there, and oh baby, did
Speaker 1: it feel bad and against the rules. I really don't
Speaker 1: think we were all supposed to be there at the
Speaker 1: same time on the same day, and yet we were.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do in that situation and
Speaker 1: I just had to be there. It was fun, But
Speaker 1: I have post sex guilt even though I didn't have sex,
Speaker 1: if that makes the sense. It really feels like I
Speaker 1: did something bad. But I swear to god, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to be good and I want to be good, and
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a mask and I'm doing everything, and this
Speaker 1: is a confession. I don't know. The beach was too crowded.
Speaker 1: We really should not be going to such a crowded beach.
Speaker 1: And should I cut this and redo it? I don't
Speaker 1: know x X I Sam, what's up listeners? First of all,
Speaker 1: I just want to condemn everything my co host Sam
Speaker 1: Tagger just said and say that I have never met
Speaker 1: him and don't know him, and uh, this podcast generally
Speaker 1: so far has been edited together by producer that we
Speaker 1: don't work with in person, and so if you've enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: that's great. If not, you know, it's not my fault.
Speaker 1: And once again, I condemn everything Sam just said. Hi, Personally,
Speaker 1: I'm pro science. And second of all, I want to
Speaker 1: give a quick shout out to generational discourse people saying
Speaker 1: things like boomers and Gen X and millennials. I think
Speaker 1: it is so deeply intelligent to analyze society that way,
Speaker 1: and every time people do that, I say, Wow, you
Speaker 1: really made an incredible point there and definitely should get
Speaker 1: a peep in sociology. I think more people that are
Speaker 1: adults who read books should make arguments about boomers and
Speaker 1: Gen X and millennials. It brings me so much joy
Speaker 1: that people get paid to write absolute about generations, and
Speaker 1: so thank you so much. And special shout out to
Speaker 1: the person who wrote a recent thing that really set
Speaker 1: me off. I'm not gonna say your name because you
Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter and that is on you. Quick
Speaker 1: shout out to George Georgie George Um for saying it
Speaker 1: is hacked to write about generations when in fact we
Speaker 1: have a podcast about what is quote unquote straight as
Speaker 1: if that isn't the hackiest thing in the world. Okay, listeners.
Speaker 1: Mary Bethier just wanted to give a quick shout out
Speaker 1: to Carson Daly. A lot of people don't remember this
Speaker 1: the Carson Daily and Career culture when he painted two
Speaker 1: of his nail's black and for that we kind of
Speaker 1: owe you the world. I also want to say that
Speaker 1: your performance in Josie and the Pussycats was fantastic and
Speaker 1: alum those signs. Also shout out to Nicole from the
Speaker 1: Pussycat Dolls. I was singing, do you understanding? I was
Speaker 1: no because I was singing. Do you understand what I'm saying, oh,
Speaker 1: I hope I don't get in trouble for this. I
Speaker 1: was in the middle because I was singing, Okay, I
Speaker 1: have a great, uh, great rest of your day to
Speaker 1: Nicole and Carson. I'm gonna I'm gonna edit in the
Speaker 1: clip that Marybeth is referencing at the end of the episode,
Speaker 1: give people the bibliography. Yeah, okay, Mary Beth, thank you
Speaker 1: for doing the episode. That was incredible. People don't even
Speaker 1: know the story. They have no idea. I was in
Speaker 1: center because I was singing. I was the one singing,
Speaker 1: oh man, oh man. I hope I don't get in
Speaker 1: trouble for the stuff that I say, because I never
Speaker 1: really talked about it, but I'll never forget. I finished
Speaker 1: the album pc D and Ron and I brought the
Speaker 1: girls into the studio and we played it for them,
Speaker 1: and it was the first time they've ever heard the music.
Speaker 1: Do you understand what I'm saying. We played the album
Speaker 1: for the Pussycat Dolls, so the first time they ever
Speaker 1: heard the songs.