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Speaker 2: Parkins is the perfect guest today for the show, not

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Speaker 2: just because he enjoys a little parlay from time to time,

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Speaker 2: but his Yeah, like tonight, But but it is it

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Speaker 2: is something I think both of us feel strongly about.

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Speaker 1: Is I.

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Speaker 2: Always push back. I think the media, the mainstream media

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Speaker 2: sometimes can be really outdated and precious when it comes

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Speaker 2: to gambling. Europe's far ahead of us, has been for years.

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Speaker 2: And the truth is, and this is another criticism I

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Speaker 2: I don't think because there's more gambling opportunities, it's an

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Speaker 2: invitation to be an addict. I don't think more bars

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Speaker 2: But I do think addiction is a sad tale because

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Speaker 2: many addicts are poor with no way out where Chauncey

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Speaker 2: Billups to me, Danny, the part of this that's just

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Speaker 2: mind boggling. Forget the fact that Chauncey Billups made over

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Speaker 2: one hundred million. He was always thought as a very

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Speaker 2: kind of smart, I would say, almost a coach while

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Speaker 2: that he played rigged poker games knowing they were rigged.

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Speaker 2: I'm I don't even I mean, if you'd have told me,

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Speaker 2: Chauncy that I know for sure. Is of all the

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Speaker 2: stuff on Rosier and Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones and

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Speaker 2: the Lakosa Nostra and the poker Chauncey played rigged poker

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Speaker 2: games and knew it?

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Speaker 1: To me?

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Speaker 2: Is the wh what does that land similarly to you? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I mean obviously we have to say all of

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Speaker 1: got some pretty damning specifics here, right, so you know,

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Speaker 1: let's just have the blanket their allegations.

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Speaker 1: And yes, Chauncey Billups's reputation was is sparkling. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it appears that he also is involved in the sports

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Speaker 1: gambling one as that unidentified person who played from this

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about a lot of.

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Speaker 1: This, but like, if that is true, Like, let's just

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Speaker 1: assume that the unnamed person in the sports gambling one

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Speaker 1: who fits the exact description of Chauncey Billups is Chauncey Billups.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is the NBA's version of Pete Rose.

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Speaker 1: You have an NBA head coach tipping off a gambler

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Colin Like, can he get thrown out of the Hall

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Speaker 1: But if he was, if it's proven that Chauncey Billups

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like there are you know, I can think multiple

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Speaker 2: It's it's one thing, well, it's it's stealing.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's it's it's just it's it's it is

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Speaker 1: So I've played in like I played cards, Nick and

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Speaker 1: I have played cards together forever. Nick at this point

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Speaker 1: my god, I've got money. I can play ten thousand

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Speaker 2: Like it's it's it's just it is. It is.

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Speaker 1: It is the It is the same thing of going

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It is It is theft.

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Speaker 2: That's unbelievable, Like Jim Herrick at UCLA had like four.

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Speaker 2: any of the gambling stuff. Tark constantly pled with his

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Speaker 1: Okay, there's a level of nuance to this. As I

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Speaker 1: these players got caught Jonte Porter Rogier like for tanking

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Speaker 1: If if Terry Rosier's a player prop of nine and

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Speaker 1: That's bad for me as the gambler because like normally

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Speaker 1: and his brother Michael Porter, they got to stop talking

432
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Speaker 1: because like one who's like, you could have a bad game,

433
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 1: but like you could tell your boys you're gonna have

434
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: a bad game and you could hook it up and

435
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: everybody could make ten grand.

436
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 2: It's like, shut up, like what are you doing?

437
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: Like, But that's I think that's part of it too,

438
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: is that some of these guys are like literally trying

439
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: to like put their friends on and like, yeah, go

440
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: make ten grand. I'll have a bad night. My contract

441
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: is guaranteed. And so it's just the ripple effects of it.

442
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: And so.

443
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: It's going to keep happening. It has happened before, it

444
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: is going to keep happening. And I will say two,

445
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: this is bad, and it's weird that it's Chauncey Billups.

446
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: Have you yet had your mind go to the place

447
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: of like, wow, this could have been a lot worse,

448
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: because think about this, if it could happen to Chauncey Billups,

449
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Speaker 1: isn't it fairly remarkable that he was coaching a bad

450
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: team that wasn't trying to win anyway? Like if it had,

451
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: like Chauncey Phillips could have been the coach of the

452
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Speaker 1: next well.

453
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Speaker 2: I think, I think, don't you think at some level

454
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: when you have a bad team, you you validate it

455
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 2: by saying, I'm just I'm gonna empty the bench anyway,

456
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Speaker 2: I'm going to do it. I'm just gonna give one

457
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: guy a heads up. I can see where this is

458
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 2: not the Western Conference finals where there are bonuses on

459
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 2: the line, the world's watching. It's hey, I was going

460
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: to rest three starters, I'll just rest six. I can

461
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: see somebody talking themselves into it. I listen. I guess

462
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: I could too.

463
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: But if you can talk yourself into that and it works,

464
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: and then your team gets good and you started doing it,

465
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: like where where does it stop? Where does it stop?

466
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Speaker 1: And why did he need to do it? And like

467
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: we're gonna learn so much more.

468
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Speaker 2: About all of this. Uh.

469
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Speaker 1: The other thing that I've heard players say, and I've

470
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Speaker 1: talked to a couple about it, but enough of them

471
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: have said it publicly that I don't need to present

472
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 1: it like it's like any sort of proprietary thought. Is

473
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Speaker 1: the amount of like harassment that the players are now

474
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: getting from people in their DMS, people in their mentions, whatever,

475
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: because like you blew my parlay, that there's no solve

476
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: to it, Like there's no there's no I can't think

477
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: of a other than like I hope humans just start

478
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: behaving better. Uh, But like that, I understand why players

479
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: who aren't caught up in this hate gambling, because they

480
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: just got to be like god, God damn it. Like

481
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: it was one thing if I was getting yelled at

482
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: for like your fantasy team. Now it's like a college

483
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: kid who's in a fraternity at Alabama is dming the

484
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: quarterback because he blew his twenty dollars parlay. That's just

485
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: got to be. It's got to be every game for

486
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Speaker 1: every player constantly, and so like again, no solve, but

487
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: just like the unintended consequences of the reality of everybody

488
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: having access to everybody's pocket because everybody has a phone

489
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: and everybody's online, and now everyone's gambling. Like I'm not

490
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and pretend like it's good, but it

491
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: is just reality.

492
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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny too. The NBA, more than any league,

493
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: is a culture league, and that's empowered the league. It's

494
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Speaker 2: I mean, I just look at the NBA. There's there's

495
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: stories about Paul Pierce playing in poker games all night,

496
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: getting up the next night and dropping thirty yea, the

497
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: legendary stories Michael Jordan, you know in golf outings the

498
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: day of the NBA Finals or Eastern Conference finals.

499
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, playing blackjack in Atlantic City between games against the Knicks.

500
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and card games on the team flight. I mean,

501
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: the culture of the NBA is less brotherhood and more individualistic,

502
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: and guys take care of themselves and their friends. It's different,

503
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: it is the NFL's really about. There is I think

504
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: in the NFL because everybody's playing hurt every week and

505
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: so there is sort of this understanding that we're all

506
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: sacrificing in this. I mean, Mahomes' career is basically hinges

507
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: on people blocking for him. Basketball is you get yours, bro,

508
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: go get twenty five tonight. And the great ones, the

509
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,239
Speaker 2: all time great ones, Danny as you know, they can

510
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: get thirty five a night. Luca could score forty every night.

511
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: Lebron could have scored forty five virtually every night. There's

512
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: no guarantee that Mahomes could go forty five of forty eight.

513
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: It's just a different sport. There's no guarantee that Mookie

514
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: Betts could hit three hundred for a season. He couldn't

515
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: hit until September. So the great basketball players. There's always

516
00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 2: been sort of an independent cultural nature to it. And

517
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: I think part of gambling in football or baseball, you'd

518
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: be letting your teammates down. And in basketball, I think

519
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 2: there's a sense of like, bro, I am the team.

520
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, it feels like to me,

521
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: you just get it more in hoops other.

522
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Speaker 1: More more, I think more. I think more is probably

523
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: is probably fit. But I mean again, it's an addiction.

524
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: It can get anybody. Pete Rose in baseball, the Black

525
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: Socks in baseball, Like could a cornerback who knows he's

526
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: going to be assigned to guard, to shadow AJ Brown

527
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: tell his boys to bet the over on Aj Brown

528
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: and just bite on every double move. But you know

529
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you could, you'd let your team down,

530
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: you'd get crushed in the team meeting. But I'm just

531
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: saying like, if you are a gambling annict in terrible

532
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: debt or just have really bad judgment, and you are

533
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: a professional athlete, you can probably figure out a way

534
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: to manipulate an outcome, not guarantee an outcome, Like I

535
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: don't think a cornerback of an NFL team can guarantee

536
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: an outcome of a game, but you could give edge.

537
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: And you know, like that's all of these professional gamblers

538
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: are looking for. They're looking for edge, Like sure things

539
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: are great, but they're looking for edge. So I think

540
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: every sport is vulnerable to it.

541
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Speaker 2: So this is interesting. Brian Windhorst said this on the

542
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: Rich Eisen Show. He said, I just want to point

543
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: something out. The sportsbooks caught the irregular betting on Terry

544
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: Rozier the day it happened, and guess them, and guess what.

545
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: The NBA roseer didn't play the rest of the season,

546
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: and he faked the injury, so it wasn't because of

547
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: the injury. The NBA pulled him because they knew it.

548
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting.

549
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew that the league's caught it immediately

550
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: because of that, but I didn't even put that together

551
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: about the injury part of it.

552
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: So the NBA knew, they pulled him. Pretend it's an injury. No,

553
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: you saw, for the record, you saw the internet Rosier

554
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 2: turnovers last year. I suppose. Yeah, yeah, of course they

555
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: didn't make sense. It looked like AI generated. It was insane.

556
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: I remember seeing them and thinking, there's something he's troubled.

557
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: I thought it was a a I thought it was

558
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: a sciotic episode. Yeah, I thought there was just something

559
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: wrong with him. So what Windhorse is saying is, no,

560
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: they knew, they knew something was up, and they and

561
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: they pulled him. Yeah that's interesting. Yeah.

562
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, bad day for the league, bad day

563
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: for the league. And I read Dan Wilkins column and

564
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: he was talking about like the erosion of public trust,

565
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: like are you gonna, like, are people going to keep

566
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: watching and keep believing that what they're seeing is on

567
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: the up and up and like eventually there could.

568
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: Be a tipping point with this sort of thing. And

569
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Speaker 2: of course, I I mean, I always I've been hearing that.

570
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, I think that, Like we listen,

571
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: if it if a Super Bowl ended up being exposed

572
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: as being fixed, like, would the NFL ratings be down

573
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: the next year?

574
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Speaker 3: Probably, you know, like probably like that. But but but

575
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: but but like but they wouldn't They wouldn't go to

576
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Speaker 3: like Monday Night Raw. You know, like it's not like

577
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Speaker 3: I really think.

578
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Speaker 2: That we are so.

579
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Speaker 1: I'm talking addiction. We are so addicted it as a

580
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Speaker 1: culture to live.

581
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: Sports that it.

582
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: They operate as if they are bulletproof, because they probably are.

583
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: Like that's that's the some people would turn on it permanently.

584
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, there's a huge there's a sub section

585
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: of people, some of whom are in the media, that

586
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: legitimately believe that the NFL has rigged the Kansas City

587
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: Chiefs to become a dynasty.

588
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

589
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: Like you know, like the internet is just like people

590
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: have been red pilled and they have people go down.

591
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: You can get any conspiracy theory confirmed by your algorithm.

592
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: And so people believe that every call is is rigged

593
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: against them and that that's probably has gotten worse by gambling.

594
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: But I don't think that people are tuning out because

595
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: of it. No, I you know, like I but but

596
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: It's just it's just like going to be a thing

597
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: that people like us are going to have to deal

598
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: with in like, why aren't you talking about this column?

599
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: Why aren't you talking about the fix being in for

600
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 2: the Chiefs? It's like, because it's not. I'll give you

601
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: an example of something that I haven't talked about and

602
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: nobody really cares. But I'm sure there have been people

603
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: that question it. The Pablo Torri Kawhi Leonard Steve Balmer investigation.

604
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, here is. And the reason I haven't talked

605
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: about it is I don't care. The Clippers are not

606
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: a topic on LA Sports Radio. In LA, it's Dodgers, Lakers,

607
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: rams USC. The Clippers aren't a top so I'm as

608
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: a syndicated host, nobody cares. Secondly, remember when Lebron had

609
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: those comments about China and everybody killed Lebron and I

610
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: didn't cover the story. People have said that's cowardice, and

611
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's bureaucracy. Nobody cares. That's not a good topic.

612
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: Ninety percent of what I do, I think I'm a

613
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 2: great topic selector. One of the things I've found through

614
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: the years NCAA stories, the audience doesn't care they know

615
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: they're incompetent. The Kawhi Leonard. I think Pablo Toy is great.

616
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: I tried to we looked at hiring him at the Volume.

617
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: I think he's terrific, But it's the Clippers. Kawhi is

618
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 2: an enigmatic, nonverbal, unlikable star. The Clippers are the second

619
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: that's about the eighth most popular sports topic in the

620
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: city in which they are based. And it's complicated. It's

621
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: a complicated story.

622
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Speaker 1: But I like what you said about Pablo. Like, my

623
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: guess is you wish that that podcast was under the

624
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: volume's umbrella.

625
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: I think it's made for podcasting, not made for broadcasting,

626
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: right that. Yeah, but those are two separate things.

627
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: That's right, Like it not being a topic for you

628
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: and your audience and your TV and radio show is

629
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: like a totally reasonable, like editorial choice by you. But

630
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: since you brought it up, fascinating story. Yeah, Like between

631
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: you and me, right, just like if no one else

632
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: was listening to this right now, between you and me,

633
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: if we were having a cocktail, be like, holy shit,

634
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: there's there's something there, you know he was.

635
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan is interesting. Joe Rogan has topics you could

636
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 2: never put on TV or radio correct of course, and yeah, absolutely,

637
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: I'm in my car for forty minutes. I'm like, lizards

638
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: are fascinating, you know. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like I

639
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: every day choose stuff I can talk about in eight

640
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: minute segments. So one of the things about this this morning,

641
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: when I woke up and saw Terry rose Ere, I'm

642
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: like Jesus, so I first thought, is this. Am I

643
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: into this because I used to work in Portland? And

644
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: then I'm no MVP head coach. I thought he was

645
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: just in the poker part of it. Well at the

646
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Speaker 2: at first it looked like he was, yeah, and then

647
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Speaker 2: when people actually got to read the you know, dozens

648
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Speaker 2: and dozens of pages of the thing, it was pretty

649
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: clear that he's not just links to that. I don't

650
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Speaker 2: think it's I really, I think all of us bake in.

651
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: We don't trust our government, we don't trust politicians. We

652
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: hopefully we trust our partners. But yeah, I think nobody wins.

653
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Speaker 2: Leagues don't win, Vegas doesn't win, the sports books don't win,

654
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: the teams don't win. If there is rigged sports and

655
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 2: they all sort of patrol it the sauce, you can

656
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Speaker 2: control it with preactive proactive protection signage lectures symposing severe

657
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Speaker 2: punish or you can do it by finding it a

658
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Speaker 2: post investigation right or post action. So what I always

659
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Speaker 2: tell people who think about the rig stuff, I'm like,

660
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Speaker 2: if you would have picked the NFL to be rigged,

661
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Speaker 2: would you have picked the two New York teams to

662
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: be unwatchable for a decade? Right, of course? And then

663
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: Green Band, Kansas City, the cults of the surprise of

664
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Speaker 2: the league, all these tiny markets. Baltimore always good and

665
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: New York's always bad. So I think fans are prone

666
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Speaker 2: when they lose a bat to think it's rigged. Yeah,

667
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: and that's why that chorus is always, you know, ready

668
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Speaker 2: and willing to fire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think also I forget who the stand

670
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Speaker 1: up comic is, but he's got a hilarious bit that

671
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: comes up in my algorithm, making fun of people who

672
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Speaker 1: believe in every conspiracy theory. But he's like, I also

673
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: judge you if you believe in no conspiracy theories. He's like,

674
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Speaker 1: you think the government's batting a thousand, like you know,

675
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Speaker 1: and so it's a it's a very funny punchline and

676
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: the and so like you know, was there something with

677
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Speaker 1: the the lottery to get Patrick Ewing to New York. Maybe,

678
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: like maybe there was back in the eighties, but like,

679
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: do I think it was rigged for Cooper Flag to

680
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: go to Dallas? No, I don't think that Adam Silver

681
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Speaker 1: and what Ernst and Young committed felonies to like commit fraud, right,

682
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Speaker 1: But like I think that, like there's just there's always

683
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Speaker 1: like a whenever a tragedy happened, there's immediately a cottage

684
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Speaker 1: industry saying that it was that it was a conspiracy.

685
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Speaker 2: So this was an interesting to me, interesting journey with

686
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Speaker 2: Tim donnegie because I read a lot about it and

687
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 2: I brought him on my show before. And I think

688
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: Tim donaghue confused rigged with human a human condition. So

689
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: he would say, well, if this guy was officiating, he

690
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: always gave the veterans the call, and I always use this.

691
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: I officiated for three years in college eight dollars a

692
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Speaker 2: game child of Divorce. I ate because I officiated four

693
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Speaker 2: innermural games a night, and I'm not joking. I took

694
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Speaker 2: it very seriously. And what I believe that I really

695
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Speaker 2: I got to the I remember the guy that ran it.

696
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: He's like, you could be a professional official. He goes

697
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Speaker 2: you really care, and I'm like, yeah, I mean, these

698
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: guys are working hard. I'm going to beers and I'm

699
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: at frat parties with these guys. I don't want them

700
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: to hate me. I want to be a pro. And

701
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Speaker 2: one of the things I always found with basketball, Danny,

702
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: I always rewarded the more talented player because more talented

703
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: players always got the first step, jumped three inches higher,

704
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: and the other players were always reacting to the better athlete.

705
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Speaker 2: And so during the Tim Donneghe thing, I was like, Yeah,

706
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Speaker 2: the veteran star players do get the call because they're

707
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Speaker 2: better players, and they do get their ass in the

708
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: right spot and their elbows and the angle. And so

709
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: my take was always Tim Donicky thought there was lots

710
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: of guys doing it, and my take was, no, Tim,

711
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: that's the humanity. If you go look at baseball umpiring,

712
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: Danny and I really looked at this because a chapter

713
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Speaker 2: I wrote in one of my books there were umpires

714
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Speaker 2: that were pitcher umpires. Kurt Schilling talked about it. He's like, Hey,

715
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 2: this guy's had sick snow hitters, this guy's had none.

716
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: Some guys gave you the corner. Is that rigged Kurt

717
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: Showing used to keep a book on umpires. He's like,

718
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 2: this guy will not give you the corner. This guy will.

719
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 2: This guy gives you the inside strike, this guy gives

720
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Speaker 2: you the high strike. Herm Edwards told me this one time.

721
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Speaker 2: He goes there are a fishing officiating groups in the

722
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Speaker 2: NFL that do not call PI like you can grab

723
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: and push and they just they're very, very willing. The

724
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: lead official is it's an old school guy that likes physicality.

725
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: I think sometimes we think that's rigged, but everybody knows

726
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: in all these sports there are officials, you know, there

727
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: there was. It could have been Steve Javvy was always

728
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: good to road teams. He was like and that was

729
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: Steve maybe over correcting. I think it was Steve Javiting

730
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: thinking it was impartial. Yeah, yeah, Tim. Some of these

731
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Speaker 2: officiers like, I'm not going to be because a proximity

732
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: of fans. I'm not going to be a homer. That's

733
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Speaker 2: not rigged. That's just the human condition. That's just who

734
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Speaker 2: we are.

735
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Speaker 1: But I can imagine someone listening to this entire podcast

736
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Speaker 1: and US fifteen minutes ago saying that we've probably seen

737
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: more fixed sporting events than we know of yeah, and

738
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: now saying, but that doesn't mean that things are rigged.

739
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Speaker 1: And that's why when people see an injury that doesn't

740
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: look serious, or a weird outcome, or a bad turnover

741
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: or a dropped pass or a horrible call, your mind

742
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: goes to it. And it's not it's not rational, but

743
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: it's like, well, if it happened with Donneghie, and it

744
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: happened with Pete Rose, and now it happened with Chauncey Billups,

745
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: and it happened with Porter, and it happened with Rogier,

746
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: and it happened with ABC and D College Program. It's like, well,

747
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: if I have fifteen examples of it happening, maybe I'm

748
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: spotting the sixteenth, Like maybe I'm on the wrong.

749
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: Side of it.

750
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: And so like cause, so that's why this is fascinating

751
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: and why it's confusing and why I think it's a

752
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: problem where there can be improvements, But I don't think

753
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: it's a solve. Like I think this is a problem

754
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: without a solution because gambling is not going away. Legalized

755
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: gambling is not going away. In fact, it's going the

756
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: other way, right, we still don't have it's not federally

757
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: legal like there are people I cannot bet in New

758
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: York State on a legal app. I cannot bet awards, MVP,

759
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year, Rookie of the Year, whatever. Now

760
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: I have ways to get bets down, right. I can

761
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: text a buddy in Illinois who will place the bet

762
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: for me, and then I'll venmo him the money or whatever. Right,

763
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: I have the ways to get it down personally. But

764
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Speaker 1: there are people who live in a state where they

765
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Speaker 1: cannot gamble, and they will drive Sunday morning across state

766
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Speaker 1: lines to place their bets, like people will find a

767
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Speaker 1: way that line in Jurassic Park, like nature will find

768
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: a way. Like I was when I was in Kansas

769
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Speaker 1: City when we did first things first before Chiefs Eagles

770
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: meeting with a buddy I used to do radio with

771
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: It's it's legal in Kansas and just becoming legal in Missouri,

772
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: but it hadn't come online yet, and he was like,

773
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: every Sunday morning, my wife knows nine am, I go,

774
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: I get Starbucks, I bring it home for her and

775
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: then I drive twenty five minutes across state line pull

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Speaker 1: off and there's fifteen cars at the same exit across

777
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: state line and it's people placing their bets in the

778
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: parking lot because they're crossing the state lines. And it's like,

779
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: is that addiction or is it entertainment or whatever. But

780
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: the point is is like it ain't going away. And

781
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: now Missouri has illegal so my buddy doesn't have to

782
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: drive across state lines anymore. And so if I want

783
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: to make a bet on you know, Yannis for MVP,

784
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: and I can't do it in New York, I'll just

785
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: text a buddy.

786
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 2: I'll find a way to do it. So I owned

787
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Speaker 2: two wine stores in Connecticut, Maximum Beverage, and for a

788
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Speaker 2: long time, I mean there's there's certain every sent me

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Speaker 2: So you know when I when when I was introduced

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Speaker 2: to this business, you know every it's the wild wild West.

793
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's you know, what you can do

794
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: in New York Massachusetts. And we found out very quickly

795
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: that you know, if Connecticut had stores closed on Sunday,

796
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: well people in Connecticut would And let's just take a

797
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: forty five minute drive to the mass border. People are

798
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: going to find a way listen. I grew up in

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Speaker 2: Washington State. I don't know how it happened, but pot

800
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Speaker 2: was plentiful in my town from the time I was

801
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: twelve until the time it was legalized. It's just there's

802
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Speaker 2: a lot of plants. Everything grows in the Northwest, and

803
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: there was pot everywhere, and so you can, like we said,

804
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Speaker 2: prohibition doesn't work. People are going to bet, have sex,

805
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Speaker 2: What happened? Wow? Yeah, I thought it was Yeah. Wow.

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Speaker 2: I hope everybody realizes that in thirty minutes against the

845
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846
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Speaker 2: no turnovers. Oh hell yeah, let's talk about it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's time out. What is he twenty two? Yeah? Okay,

848
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it it broke my basketball brain. Like I I

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856
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: him in like pretty like lofty terms because of what

857
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: he can be, but the maturity of the offensive game

858
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: that he showed last night. I put together like a

859
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: list of superlatives today on first things. First that I

860
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: ran past Nick in the segment that we do together

861
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: on Thursdays, and I was like, like, which of these

862
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: do you think at the end of his career, we're

863
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: going to be able to cross out the names of

864
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: the guys who currently have the records and it's going

865
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: to be him. So, like, three guys have the record

866
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: for most defensive Player of the Year awards with four. Oh,

867
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: he'll win twelve, That's what I'm saying. I but it's

868
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: like Ben Wallace, Rudy Gobert, they have four. Like I would,

869
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: I would lay minus five hundred that he gets more

870
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: than four defense. I mean, obviously the game minimum threshold

871
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: is like the only impediment to that. But like he's

872
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: twenty two, he's gonna I agree, twelve is on the board.

873
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: Only player ever to win the scoring title and defensive

874
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: Player of the Year Michael Jordan did it once.

875
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 2: Feels like one. Benyama could be the second. Think you

876
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: know what I thought about watching him last night? What's

877
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: that I always had this feeling that if you did

878
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 2: a one on one tournament, Michael and Lebron, Kevin Durant

879
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: would be up there. Yeah, the bigs. Jannis would be good,

880
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: but he doesn't have the ability, you know, because there

881
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: would be three in the key to make it fair.

882
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: I looked at that and I thought to myself, I'm

883
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 2: not sure how many points Lebron in his prime would

884
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: score on Wemby. I'm not sure he blocked a shot.

885
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 2: He got a rebound over Derek Lively last night, and

886
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: Jay Billis said it Lively six'. Eleven he looked like

887
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 2: a sixth. Grader he blocked a. Shot these guys that

888
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: are six ten and, long they turn. Around wemby moves

889
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: off his. Player he's blocking the ball near the, elbow

890
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: somewhere between the rest and the, Elbow AND i think to,

891
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: myself if you added six inches To Kevin durant and

892
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: had the same quickness and a little more, Length Like

893
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 2: i'm watching, him And i'm, Like i'm not really sure

894
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: how you defend. It you don't really.

895
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: Defend, This, no you. Don't you don't defend, It and

896
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: LIKE i Just i've been thinking about, it like basically all.

897
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: DAY i think we're gonna just see things that we've

898
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: never seen before that we're not even going to fully

899
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: realize what we're. Seeing, like, uh he did something last

900
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: year THAT i like demanded we get into breakfast ball

901
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: Because i'm, LIKE i promise, you no one cares about this,

902
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: game BUT i promise you no one's ever seen. This

903
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: he shot a three pointer and it was, like you,

904
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: know he's like fading back a little bit on the,

905
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: three like a pure jump, shot like he wasn't like

906
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: running towards the. Hoop he shot up a normal three,

907
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: pointer and he could tell off his hand that it was.

908
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: Long so he lands from the jumper and charges and

909
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: he tip. Slammed he put like a putback slam his

910
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: own missed three, Pointer like we've seen that on free,

911
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: throws but on a three. Pointer it was. Insane, Yeah

912
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: AND i just think we're gonna see we're, like did

913
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: he take two dribbles from half court and?

914
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 2: Dunk you, KNOW i THINK i think we're gonna just

915
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: like start to like.

916
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: Recap we're gonna have recalibrate what is actually.

917
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 2: Possible That's. Mike there's a story About Mike, krzyzewski AND

918
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: i Think Mark few was there In Jim. Bayheim it

919
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: Was olympic basketball and it was one of their first

920
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 2: looks At lebron playing in a, practice AND i had

921
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: heard this. STORY i don't know if it was from

922
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: a friend Of Jay billis or it was somebody That

923
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: AND i, like by the Way jay billis on pro.

924
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 2: BASKETBALL i think he does a good. JOB i really.

925
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: DO i think he Really.

926
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: He clearly, cares he does his, homework he keeps it

927
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: to the. Game he's very.

928
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 2: Good, Yeah jay's pretty. Good AND i think it was

929
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 2: a friend of J billis that told Me jay had told.

930
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: Him they were doing a practice And skrzyzewski was at

931
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 2: half court kind of arms, folded sitting back on the,

932
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 2: bench and there was a loose ball And lebron picked

933
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: it up full, steam swooped in to pick it up

934
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: and dribbled twice and dunked, it And shrzyzewski just was beside.

935
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: Himself he's, like that's. Sick dribbles maybe five With, Jordan

936
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: and it was to your, point Like skrzyzewski was taken

937
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,959
Speaker 2: back by. It he turned to The beheim or few

938
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: or both and just, went what did we just? Watch

939
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: Steve Kirk through a friend told the story one of

940
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: the first times he had to Face lebron and it

941
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: was just, LIKE i, GIVE i don't even know, Whatever

942
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 2: like what do you want me to?

943
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: Do?

944
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: SO i THINK i Think wemby. SIMILARLY i JUST i

945
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: was watching with my. WIFE i, said see that guy

946
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: in the shoes that are the bright. SHOES i, see

947
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: he'll probably be the best player in the league this

948
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: time next. Year AND i said it. Today luca And

949
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 2: sga can't dominate a game on the defensive, end And

950
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: giannis can't, shoot you, know beyond sixteen. Feet joki is

951
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: a more complete offensive, player moderate mid defensive. Player by

952
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: The All star, BREAK i, Mean Jesus danny six more

953
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: games like last, night is he the second best player

954
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 2: in the?

955
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: League, YEAH i mean like SO i think that this

956
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: is it all depends on how we define, This LIKE

957
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 1: i always define that question by like the literal definition

958
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: of what that, means like like a scouts, eye like

959
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: the best basketball, player basketball people and media really just

960
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: not just, basketball BECAUSE i think we do it in football.

961
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: Too we, like LIKE i don't Think Tom brady is

962
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: the best quarterback BECAUSE i he is the most. Accomplished,

963
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: sure he is the goat but, like but like best

964
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: quarterback is not goat to, me to me because because

965
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: because it's like a scouting, term, right the guy last

966
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: night's the best?

967
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 2: Player wey Is.

968
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: Wemby is the best player because LET'S i obviously agree with,

969
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: you jok is a better offensive players better. Pass, yeah,

970
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: yeah SURE i, agree but like how much better is he?

971
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: Offensively ten? Percent fifteen? Percent is he twenty percent better?

972
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: Offensively wemby is one hundred percent better defensively Than?

973
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: Yoki so you know WHAT i?

974
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: Mean, like, yeah the gap Between Like nick was saying

975
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: today That Anthony davis would have been like the number

976
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: one pick in the draft to like Guard, WEMBY i

977
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: would say it would be, honest, younger, stronger more like

978
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: like stronger basically Than Anthony.

979
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: Davis but like they're.

980
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: Both it's they're two of the top three or four

981
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: guys that you would choose to try to guard to Guard.

982
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: Wemby but, so, like.

983
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: The gap Between wemby and the second best defensive player

984
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: in basketball is The Atlantic ocean compared to the gap

985
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: Between jokic and the second best offensive player in, basketball, Right,

986
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: like so he's, incredible, yeah and SO i but in,

987
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: basketball we usually, say, like you have to do it

988
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: in the. Playoffs you have to win AN, mvp you

989
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: have to win a title before you can have like

990
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: the best Player alive. TITLE i don't. AGREE i personally

991
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: am Like Aaron rodgers in his, Prime Patrick mahomes in his.

992
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 1: Prime they're better Than Tom brady Or Drew. Brees they're

993
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: not yet. MORE i Mean mahomes is actually not more

994
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: accomplished Than, breeze but like you know WHAT i, mean

995
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: like they're not have more yards.

996
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: Whatever but.

997
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: That guy last, night he's gonna have a quadruple double this.

998
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: Year it's only happened four times in the history of the.

999
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: League it would not surprise no one's ever done it

1000
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: more than. Once David robinson did it, once a team

1001
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: did it. Once it would not at all surprise.

1002
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 2: Me If Victor.

1003
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: Wenbinyama has multiple quadruple bubbles this season at twenty two.

1004
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: Years, old, well it's Almost it's almost like In, hollywood

1005
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: you don't have to win An. OSCAR i MEAN i

1006
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: can remember the first remember the Movie. Capote, yeah of,

1007
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: Course Philip Seymour hoffman AND i remember watching that movie

1008
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 2: and he was In Boogie. Knights everything he was in

1009
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: he was. Great BUT i remember In. CREDIBLE i remember

1010
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: watching that and, thinking, oh that's the world's best. Actor

1011
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 2: that if you go back and Watch kapoti and you

1012
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: and you look At Truman capote's personality and what he,

1013
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: did it doesn't sound anything like any other. Character AND

1014
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: i remember watching it and just, thinking it doesn't matter

1015
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: if he wins an, award that's the best performance of the.

1016
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 2: YEAR i don't even. Know and so, LIKE i see

1017
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 2: this all the time in, sports Where i'm, like and

1018
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: we've seen this in, Tennis like you, Know fedder was

1019
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: the most, profound but you know you're watching The djokovic

1020
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 2: at some point that was, younger and you're, like, well

1021
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 2: that's the more that's the more ferocious, player that's the

1022
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 2: more intimidating. Player his winning points are more impressive Than.

1023
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: Feeder feedder is just Like. Brady he's, efficient he's. Smart you,

1024
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 2: know he has this capacity to play his best on

1025
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: the very best, points but he loses many. Points SO

1026
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: i agree with. YOU i THINK i Watched wemby AND

1027
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: i didn't say this on the, air BUT i, thought

1028
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 2: if he did that game like two more times in a,

1029
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: Week you're, like that's the new. Standard, well that's the best.

1030
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: Player, yeah well, no, right and, listen it is of

1031
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: course possible that they keep his minutes low all year

1032
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: and that the offensive efficiency cannot sustain at that.

1033
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: Level you, know.

1034
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: It's possible that that's not like a majority opinion by

1035
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: the end of the.

1036
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 2: Year but, like unless he gets, hurt.

1037
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: YEAH i legitimately think he will win the next ten

1038
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: Defensive player of The year.

1039
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: Awards, Yeah i'm.

1040
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: NOT i think every year he plays the sixty five

1041
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: game minimum into his mid early to mid, THIRTIES i

1042
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: think he will win the Defensive player of The year

1043
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: award every single. Year and then if you're a top

1044
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: ten offensive player and the defensive player of the, year

1045
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: you're the best.

1046
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: Player that's just how it.

1047
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: Works i'm. Sorry it is a two way, sport like

1048
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: offense is more important than. Defense but like he how

1049
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: many shots do you think he altered last? Night or

1050
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: how many shots do you think people didn't take because

1051
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: he was there last? Night like it's it's, oh h

1052
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: had three, blocks but he had to have altered twelve.

1053
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 2: Shots it's like teen. Shots how many times Did Dion

1054
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: sanders get attacked in his? Prime you just threw to

1055
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 2: the other side of the. Field so it's, like, right

1056
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 2: people like really only had twelve. Interceptions it's like that's

1057
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 2: because nobody threw to his. Side his interception percentage based

1058
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 2: on targeted throws was through the.

1059
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: Roof, yeah you have to you have to watch the,

1060
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: Game like you have to watch the game to be, like,

1061
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: oh a six' nine dude is dribbling into the paint

1062
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: and then retreating like that. Doesn't happen they all try to,

1063
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: Get fouled like they all try to just jump over

1064
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: for someone because they're six' nine and the other guy's maybe. Six,

1065
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: to eleven no he's seven five And doesn't foul like

1066
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: it's it's UNBELIEV and, they i know people keep wanting To.

1067
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: Give them yiannis that. Would, be Insane obviously If jannis and,

1068
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: wemby played together they would win the.

1069
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:24,479
Speaker 2: Title THIS year there I Think Between, stefan castle wemby they're.

1070
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: RECENT draft picks i Wouldn't. Skill at harper they're starting. Five,

1071
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 2: AS excellent YEAH i MEAN i think i could see Them. Trading,

1072
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 2: dearon fox yeah like If If if dylan HARPER is

1073
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 2: what nba people think he, Was GOING to like I

1074
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 2: had an nba person tell me that they. Could not,

1075
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 2: believe he's like people are under selling the fact that

1076
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 2: they got the second Pick in, the everyone's, like oh

1077
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 2: man it would have been amazing If It. Was cooper,

1078
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: flagg like Yeah They're like dylan harper is going to

1079
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 2: be awesome and he had fifteen points last NIGHT in

1080
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 2: his nba debut and, Like look smooth like you notice

1081
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 2: if that if that's, a real player did you know

1082
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: they they're gonna be? Great this year so the last

1083
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 2: couple of drafts have so last year's draft. Was very

1084
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 2: good TWENTY twenty six nba drafts supposed, to be great

1085
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 2: and two things are converging, The nil money american college

1086
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 2: programs are Buying. The best spaniards they're Buying the best

1087
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: european players to be getting about Ten to twelve european

1088
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 2: players that were not in college basketball. Three, years ago

1089
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 2: also about six to eight guys are staying in college.

1090
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 2: One more year.

1091
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: Did you see The story those izo comments about the

1092
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: kids who went for the kid who WENT from the g? League,

1093
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: TO college.

1094
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah i DON'T know how i?

1095
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: That? Doesn't it So like can lebron go play Four?

1096
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: Years At duke, Like I'M confused like, i know that

1097
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: like you can, get paid internationally and you can get

1098
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: PAID In, the g league and you can get Paid

1099
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: in college like technically, you have eligibility so, What's the,

1100
01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: difference but, like come on we gotta pay, On IT

1101
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: somewhere like, I DON'T understand like, i was like is, those,

1102
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: comments like oh that's kind of an old man Yells

1103
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: AT clouds like, i, WAS like no i haven't been

1104
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: following the, story very CLOSELY but Like i think, I'm

1105
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: with him like we can't call it college basketball if

1106
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: you can GO play and i get it, for international

1107
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: players like if, you take it if you took money

1108
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: from a under Eighteen team in lithuania and then you

1109
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: want to Go, Play AT kansas like i got no,

1110
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: Problem with that but like if you're twenty four years

1111
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: old and you've BEEN In the g league, for three

1112
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: years you could just go. PLAY college basketball i DON'T

1113
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: know if. I, Like, that yeah no that. Doesn't, Seem, RIGHT.

1114
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,479
Speaker 2: No no i mean that's the nil's got all these

1115
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 2: like exits on it that are, very you know people.

1116
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 2: Are always. YELLING you know i talked about This Today

1117
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 2: with James franklin And billion ap, or everybody's like these

1118
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 2: kids make a, bunch Of money, and i'm like the coaches.

1119
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 2: Make eleven million now you got to. Be good teams

1120
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: like the. WHOLE world's changed i used to think it

1121
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 2: was ridiculous to fire. College Coach midseason, now, i'm like

1122
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 2: well he made twelve million and he was bad against.

1123
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: Top twenty teams it's time.

1124
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: To, Fire HIM yeah and i have no problem with college, athletes,

1125
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: Getting paid obviously, i'm, just like like this is a it,

1126
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: has gotten complicated, like because yeah there of course there

1127
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: will be kids that like go play college basketball and

1128
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: make a few million bucks and stay in college because

1129
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: that's going to be the height. Of your earning and

1130
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: that's great and that's how. It SHOULD be but i.

1131
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 2: DON'T know that i love.

1132
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: Pro basketball, still have eligibility like we got they got

1133
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: to figure that part. Of it Out but ween binyama

1134
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: now is like they're gonna be the thosset popular. League, Pass,

1135
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: TEAM ever like i can't imagine missing. These Guys' games

1136
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: like i'm. Gonna put it i'm gonna put him on

1137
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: even if it's just the, second second screen just to

1138
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: like keep an eye on it to see if he

1139
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: like dunks from half court like it's it is insane

1140
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: what that.

1141
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 2: Guy can do here's here's a weird thing that popped,

1142
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: into my head the ability to go from the g

1143
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 2: Lee the college like it's a line you you're. Not

1144
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 2: comfortable crossing it's almost like if you go on a

1145
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 2: ski vacation with four couples and everybody decides to put

1146
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: on bathing suits and go in, the hot tub and

1147
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: you're mostly naked sitting next to all, your wives friends

1148
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 2: and then one guy just starts making out with one of.

1149
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 2: The other, wives, you're like whoa that doesn't feel. RIGHT to,

1150
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 2: me i know we're naked and we're in water and,

1151
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 2: we have champagne but that's a lots of bridge too.

1152
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 2: Far for me that's. What, You're, saying basically oh that's.

1153
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: A very specific example that if you want to unpack

1154
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: that a. LITTLE bit more i know you probably have

1155
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: some houses with hot tubs that, overlook THE mountains so

1156
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: i don't. Know what situations. That sounds lovely, it sounds,

1157
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: like you know let your. Freak flag, FLY but yeah

1158
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: I just when, i read those my buddy said. It to,

1159
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: me he's like what do you think? About g league players.

1160
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: Playing in, college i'm like They're not, allow i'm like

1161
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,919
Speaker 1: they're Not allowed to and he sent me. The news,

1162
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: article he's like what are? You Talking about is o went?

1163
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: Insane Over it and i've like. Read the, ARTICLE i'm

1164
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: like i need to catch UP with because i have

1165
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: a Hundred. Percent with izzo like it just it just

1166
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: doesn't even though you can make more money in college

1167
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: than you CAN In, the g league and like maybe

1168
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: there should be a loophole for international there should be

1169
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: like an age, Minimum and maximum like they gotta. Figure

1170
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: something out you should not be able to go be

1171
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: COACHED by an nba organization and then go Play For.

1172
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: THE missouri TIGERS i.

1173
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 2: JUST i don't i. Don't like it and you shouldn't

1174
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 2: make out with your friend's wife just because you're half

1175
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 2: naked in a hot tub with a glass Of. Champagne

1176
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 2: and veil Everybody.

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Speaker 4: it was, the white chocolate.

1182
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Speaker 1: flew by.

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