1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. How does a beautiful little 2 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: three year old girl named Trinity three years old end 3 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: up dead? She didn't have an asthma attack, she wasn't 4 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: hit by a car, she didn't have a congenital heart 5 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: problem that nobody knew about. So how does this beautiful 6 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: little three year old girl end up dead? I want 7 00:00:44,760 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: answers crime stories with Nancy Grace. While many of us 8 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: hide Christmas break New Year's Eve, were with our family, 9 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: loving every minute of being together. The harsh reality is 10 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: that deaths of children, children going missing goes on year round. 11 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: There is no we can break. There's no Christmas break, 12 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: no New Year's break. So as much as we want 13 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 1: to turn our gaze and focus on the Christmas tree 14 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: or happy New Year, Lady Justice never gets arrest. And 15 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: one of the reasons she never gets arrest is because 16 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: of children like Trinity. First of all, take a listen 17 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: to the three year old Trinity. Chandler's family had big 18 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: plans for Christmas, and this typical little girl was excited 19 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: for the holidays. She loves stuff, pillows, and characters in 20 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: the Frozen films. In fact, her presence from grandmother Christine 21 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: Cunningham reflect that the plan was to transform Trinity's bedroom 22 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: into a frozen wonderland. But while shopping for last minute 23 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: presents to round out the wish list, this grandmother receives 24 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: unimaginable news Trinity is dead. That has just brought up 25 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: so many memories. You may or may not know. My 26 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: children who are my world, John, David and Lucy have 27 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: just turned believe it or not, thirteen. I can't believe it, 28 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: but I remember the frozen phase. I thought my son 29 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: was going to jump out of the car if we 30 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: sang it in the car one more time, let it go. 31 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: And I also remember when you just heard our producer 32 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: Jackie Howard says she wanted loved stuffed pillows. I will 33 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: never forget when the Twins went through the pillow pet phase. 34 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: It was odd. They were those one eight hundred commercials 35 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: that come on TV and they are pillows in every 36 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: animal you can think of, penguin pillows, unicorn pillows, Teddy 37 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: Barry pillows, every animal is represented. That's all ladybug pillows. 38 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: I just thought of that that because that's what Lucy wanted, 39 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: and they were obsessed with getting stuffed pillows. And I'm 40 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: just imagining this three year old little girl, Trinity loving 41 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: these stuffed pillows and singing the Frozen Song and just 42 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: love and life at three years old with me and 43 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: all star our panel to break it down and put 44 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: it back together again. First of all, lead news anchor 45 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: for w DBO, Ray Kiputo, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, 46 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star 47 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: of a brand new series on the True Crime Network, 48 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: Poisonous Liaisons. Founder and director of the Cold Case Research Institute. 49 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: Crime scene expert Cheryl McCullum. Joining us are now psychilogrists 50 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Angela Arnold you can 51 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. North Carolina 52 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer Kathleen Murphy you can find her at 53 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: NC Domestic Law dot com. Special guest is joining us, 54 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: the founder of Class Kids klaas Kids dot Org, Mark 55 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: Class and special Guests Joining us. Trinity's aunt, Diamond Chandler. 56 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: Let's start with you, Ray Kaputo. We just heard that 57 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: three year old Trinity had big plans for Christmas. This 58 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: little girl super excited. The plan was to transform her 59 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: room into a frozen extravaganza. How does this little girl 60 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: end up while everybody's shopping? Dad? This little angel, I mean, 61 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: this little girl was like another three year old girls. 62 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 1: She said she loved, she loved it's frozen. She loved 63 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: her little stuff. Durenna Rompi actually playing on her boy ships. 64 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: She likes, you know, her mom and dad hanging out 65 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: with them. Your guess is as good as mine as 66 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: to how something like this could happen a week before Christmas. 67 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: But the long story shorter is the people who trust. 68 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: First of all, wait a minute, tell me this. Where 69 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: did this go down? What are we talking about? A city? 70 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: The country? An apartment complex, is shopping mall? Why can't 71 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: you tell me, right, Nancy? This this happened in a 72 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: place called a groveling township. It's in Michigan. And if 73 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: you know that, the territories between Flint in Detroit, um. 74 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: So it's really cool there. It's just a week before Christmas, 75 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: and you got a little girl with some snow on 76 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: the ground and just looking forward to all those presents 77 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: and Santa Claus and all the good things that come 78 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: with Christy, you know. To renowned psychiatrist doctor Angela Arnold, 79 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Why is it? 80 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: Is it the stark dichotomy between what we imagine is 81 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: going to happen at Christmas? I mean, doctor Angie, ps, 82 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: please get well, doctor Angie suffering with COVID. We were 83 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: all wiped out with COVID. It seems like the Christmas 84 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: that that got lost because we were all really battling COVID. 85 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: And praise the Lord where we've all come through on 86 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: the light side of the tunnel. But we people expect 87 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: so much at Christmas. And the dichotomy of this little 88 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: girl dying at Christmas, why is that such a slap 89 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: in the face or cold water thrown on? Because Christmas 90 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: is supposed to be such a happy time and it's 91 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: such a it's a time that everyone looks forward to. 92 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: And you know, if they talked about decorating her bedroom, 93 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: people aren't thinking about people being sick or dying or 94 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: being killed around the holidays. The holidays are like a 95 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: sacred time when when we should not have to worry 96 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: about those types of things. And that's the way we 97 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: have it in our heads. Because I would say a 98 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: good sixty to seventy percent of Christmas nobody sends just 99 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: a regular Christmas card anymore. It's the family photo and 100 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: they're beautiful, and this family looked like they had a 101 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: beautiful family. To Diamond Chandler, this is Trinity's aunt, Miss Chandler. 102 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Tell me about Trinity, 103 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Trinity was just this beautiful, 104 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: bright little girl, so intelligent. I was told a lot 105 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: about her from my brother Michael Chandler, who is her 106 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: biological father. With me is Trinity's aunt, Diamond Chandler, and 107 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: they news reverberating through the family and the community like 108 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: shot waves that this three year old little girl turns 109 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: up dead. I want you to take a listen to 110 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: the circumstances surrounding the three year old little girl's death. 111 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: And I remember the twins at age three, precious, wonderful, 112 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: waking up with smiles on their faces every morning. I 113 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: remember Christmas with them at age three, at time of 114 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: just sheer wonderment. That was not to be for this 115 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: three year old little girl, absolutely gorgeous, Trinity Chandler. Take 116 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: a listen to our friend at wdiv This is Priya Man. 117 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: The family says the mom. Trinity's mom was at work. 118 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: She works overnight at a nursing home. When she started 119 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: her shift at seven pm on Friday night, Trinity was fine. 120 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: When her shift was over. Twelve hours later at seven 121 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: am Saturday morning, her little girl was gone. She lived 122 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: her Trinity. That's why she worked midnight, so that way 123 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: Trinity was sleeping at night. State police are investigating after 124 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: four year old Trinity Chandler died over the weekend. Trinity 125 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: was set. She loved everybody. She ain't got her new glasses. 126 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: She loved her glass and she had to take pictures 127 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: and show me here the picture time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 128 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: you were just hearing Nnity's grandmother, Christine Cunningham. We are 129 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: talking about the death of a three year old little 130 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: girl straight out to Joseph Scott, Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jackson 131 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: State University and death investigator. When you have the body 132 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: of a three year old little girl, that's got to 133 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: be something that follows you around for weeks and months 134 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: or longer. I still remember and actually have nightmares about 135 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: cases I prosecuted and investigated where children were the victims. 136 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Yeah, it does follow you forever. Nancy is 137 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: something that's haunting and what else is haunting about these 138 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: circumstances many times, or the way they died, I would 139 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: urge everybody in our audience to please visit crime on 140 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: Line and take a look at this precious angel. Our 141 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: friends league and wrote a wonderful article about this case. 142 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, founder director of Cold Case Research Institute. She 143 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: may be the director of the Cold Case Research Institute now, 144 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: but I remember her showing up on crime scenes with 145 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: me in the middle of the night you started processing crimes, saying, 146 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: Cheryl to me, I mean, I never forget any of 147 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: my cases, but the ones involving children, for some reason, 148 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: they they're worse than the others. They are worse than 149 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: the other than Nancy. I can remember one You and 150 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: I worked in Thomasville Hights on Christmas Eve and it 151 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: was a child and I think what everybody said earlier 152 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: about it being Christmas time, and that is magical and 153 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: especially for children and watching children be so excited, and 154 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: especially you know this little baby being excited about her room, 155 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: and by three, her whole little personality is right there, 156 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: and you know her talking about frozen and wanting her 157 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: room to look a certain way, just tillis you because 158 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: you know so much about her, just from what she loved, 159 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: and she loved her Draft and she loved Frozen, So 160 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: it just tells you she was very loving, She was 161 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: very sweet, she was very kind, and you know the 162 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: fact that somebody would harm her around Christmas is just 163 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: unfathomable to Mark Class, founder of Class Kets Foundation, dedicated 164 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: to helping missing people, including children. Mark has devoted himself 165 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 1: to that endeavor since the disappearance and death of his 166 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: beautiful girl, Polly, Mark Class, I know you remember Polly 167 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: at age three, right, Yes? I do, of course I do. Yes, 168 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: And they're so innocent at that point. They trust whoever's 169 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: taking care of them because they don't know any different. Mark, 170 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, personal miss Diamond. I I'm so sorry for 171 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: your loss. I'm seething, Nancy, I mean, I'm really seething, 172 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: because you know, we bring these precious little babies into 173 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: this world, and then it's our job to take care 174 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: of them until they're ready to start taking care of 175 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: their children. And in fact, we have institutions in place 176 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: to ensure that children don't fall through the cracks. But 177 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: something occurred here, something horrible occurred. You're right about that, 178 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: Mark class hole occurred and people averted their eyes until 179 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: it was too late. And for that there's no excuse. 180 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: It's a tragedy that we all share. Fact Ray Kaputo, 181 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: Lead news anchor w Dbo Ray. So the mom is 182 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: at work at a rest home on the night shift. 183 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever told you my grandmother 184 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: that I named Lucy after my mother's mom worked at 185 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: a rest home in her late years, and she would 186 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: often have the night shift. And it keeps you busy. 187 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: You'd think everybody would be asleeping night. No, not in 188 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: the old folks home. They're all wandering around. Their aches 189 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: and pains are bothering them. You've got to give them 190 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: their medications. So mom is busy at work, and I 191 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: think it was a twelve hour shift. So what do 192 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: we know about the c O D this child? Three 193 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: year old little girl's death. Let me ask if she 194 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: had an internal bleeding, she suffered some injuries. Um, you 195 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: know kids are three years old, especially they're small or fragile, 196 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: injuries that adults may sustain them, which is le bruce 197 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: can literally be deadly. But this this little girl was 198 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: apparently she'd suffered some some type of trauma to her 199 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: body and she had internal bleeding. You know, it takes 200 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: a lot of trauma on the outer body to get 201 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: internal bleeding of this magnitude on the inside of your body. 202 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: To Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jackson State University, let's 203 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: go through the injuries this little girl sustained when she's 204 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: there and the medical examiners. What did the medical examiner 205 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: find Joe Scott, Well, she did in fact, and let 206 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: me let me preface this by saying, Nancy that the 207 00:14:54,520 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: term torture has been used in this particular case, just 208 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: to kind of frame this out, and that's not something 209 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: in our world that is commonly, uh commonly thrown about lightly. Okay, 210 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: just keep that in mind, and it's it's it's not 211 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: something that are trained forensics person. It's just going to 212 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: say off the cuff. So that goes to tell you 213 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: that the injuries, as Ray had mentioned, were internal. There 214 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: was internal bleeding. Uh. My suspicion is the primary source 215 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: of the bleeding is going to be in the abdominal region. 216 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: And many times which you'll have and abusers do this commonly, Uh, 217 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: they punch children in their stomachs many times because it's 218 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: they have a perception that people are not going to 219 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: see it because clothing covers these particular regions. But which 220 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: can't mask is that when you're standing over the body 221 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: of a small child, which I stood over hundreds in 222 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: the morgue, and you examine their body, you see that 223 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: the abdominal cavity is literally and I mean literally, Nancy 224 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: awash in blood. The organs are literally floating in blood, 225 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: and that's because they've slowly bled out. And to use 226 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: the term torture in this particular case indicates to us 227 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: that these that there is probably evidence that this was 228 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: an ongoing event. I want to talk to you about 229 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: what you're saying. They're bruising that would have resulted to 230 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: show the injuries on the outside of abdominal organs that 231 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: were literally floating in blood on the inside of this 232 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: three year old little girl. And I'm gonna go to 233 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold. You know, doctor Angie, I will never 234 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: forget Christmas photos we took with the twins and they 235 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: were three years old. They were just they just turned 236 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: three their birthdays in November, and these were pictures taken 237 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: at the beginning of December. Well, the first thing, Lucy 238 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: did not like her outfit, so I had a backup outfit. 239 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: Cause she's very particular, So she put on her backup outfit. 240 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: This is at three, all right. And as she was 241 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: walking into the photography place, we walked in. She was 242 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,239 Speaker 1: right beside me. We walked on and looked down. She 243 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: didn't have a shirt on at all. She just had 244 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: on her Christmas pant. She's just looking at me. So 245 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: long story short, we finally got her in an outfit. 246 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: I don't remember what I had to do to get 247 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: her in an outfit. It reminds me of her ballet 248 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: outfit when those pictures were taken. That's a whole other 249 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: can of worms. But I wanted the picture to be perfect, 250 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: right for her to have as a memory. Now, a 251 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: picture that I'm looking at right now of Trinity. Look 252 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: at her face. The little girl's face is covered in bruises. 253 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: That's the perfect picture. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 254 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: we're talking about this three year old little girl dead 255 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: leading up to Christmas while mom's at work. I mean, 256 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: doctor Angel Arnold, you want a perfect picture? This is 257 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: not it? No, I mean, don't they even see all 258 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: that on this child. And you can see on her 259 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: this is at crime online dot Com. Guys, you can 260 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: see on her lip that the lip has been busted. 261 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: There's there's the nose, all on both sides of the face. 262 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: I mean, so Angie shows that somebody was doing something 263 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: to her that they didn't even here that it could show. 264 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: I mean, your face. That's everybody's going to forever see 265 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: the little girl's face. That's not anything you can ever hide. 266 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: To Rakaputo, lead news anchor, Orlando Morning News BDBO. So 267 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: the mom's at work. I assume the little girl was 268 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: all right when mom goes to work. Who was the babysitter. 269 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: The babysitter was the mom's boyfriend, Nancy twenty nine year 270 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: old Samuel Samuel Lester Smart and he wasn't new. He 271 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: was around for a year and a half. Apparently there 272 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: was some you know, pretty good rapport between the child 273 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: and the mom and stuff. But it was the mom's boyfriend. 274 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't the biological father. So mom's lover is at 275 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: home with the baby when mom goes to work. Is 276 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: that correct? Yes, to our knowledge, was anyone else in 277 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: the home. No, it was just the two of them 278 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: to my knowledge, Nancy, I mean right there, you got 279 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: a lot of circumstantial evidence that this was the adult 280 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: in the home with the little girl. I want you 281 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: to take a listen to our friends at WXYZ. This 282 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: is Simon Chaquette. This is truly a sickening crime and 283 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: even more appalling, we've now learned Child Protective Services did 284 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: a welfare check on Trinity the very day before she died, 285 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: and they discovered injuries but still chose not to remove her. 286 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: To me, it looked like it was two. As mother 287 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: to a friend of three year old Trinity Chandler, Ashley 288 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: Brown is speaking out to expose facts she says she 289 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: reported to state police and Child Protective Services, including pictures 290 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: she gave us of multiple bruises on Trinity's face October's 291 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: when I made the report with Michigan State Police for 292 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: then today on the face it was a couple months 293 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: prior that I had seen her with Marx under her eyes. 294 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: It was obvious abuse. They could have at least taken 295 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: her and had her space somewhere safe until their investigation 296 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: was over. Straight out to Keth Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer, 297 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: specialty domestic law. She's at nc domestic dot com. Kathleen Murphy. 298 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: It's to me very telling they didn't even they weren't 299 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: concerned at all that she's covered in bruises in a picture. 300 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: And I was about to light a fire under this 301 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: neighbor's rear end for seeing the bruises on the child 302 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: and doing nothing. But that's not true. The neighbor did 303 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: do something. She called police, CPS, Child Protective Services got involved. 304 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: So why is the baby dead? Kathleen? I see it 305 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: all the time. Social Services drops the ball. This neighbor 306 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: had photographs of this very picture, and Social Services should 307 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: have gone to a judge and take an emergency custody 308 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: immediately of this child and placed her in protective services. 309 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: The failure for them to do that, the failure of 310 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: them to do that, is clearly a failure on the 311 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: agency's part. Straight out to Diamond Chandler, this is three 312 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: year old Trinity's aunt, Miss Chandler. Did the family have 313 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: any idea what was happening? I mean, all the neighbors 314 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: seemingly knew. They were calling police. There were reports made 315 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: by Trinity's biological father in June to CPS. There were 316 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: reports made by neighbors and babysitters in August and the 317 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: report made to the police by Ashley Brown in October, 318 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: and we were aware that just seeing the Trinity's mother 319 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: had cut the biological father out of her life, out 320 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: of Trinity's life and most of the family as well, 321 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: so it was hard for us to get involved. He 322 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: the father had talked to Trinity's mother and told her, 323 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: I don't like your boyfriend. I don't feel that he 324 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: should be in my daughter's life. So it's just as horrifying. 325 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: So all of these family members, including bio dad, were 326 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: beside themselves at Trinity being with mommy's live in, but 327 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: Mommy did nothing. You know, Cheryl McCallum, you and I've 328 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 1: talked about this a million times outside of court. Do 329 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: you know how many times, Cheryl, when I would prosecute 330 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: a child abuse case where it was the dad, the stepdad, 331 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: the boyfriend to live in, the whatever man involved in 332 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: mommy's life would sex, abuse, beat, kill the child. I 333 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: never had a single case, Cheryl, not one in ten years, 334 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: one hundred new felonies a week to handle. Not once 335 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: did Mommy side with the children against the dead or 336 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: the boyfriend or the live in or like you said, 337 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: whatever he is, Nancy. This is the part to me 338 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: that is just flabbergasting. They're ain't a man that exists 339 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: that could harm my child and stay anywhere near me. 340 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: I cannot fathom this baby being abused in front of 341 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: her being abused when she ain't there, and she gets 342 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: home to see the results. A bruise's face, she's bathed her, 343 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: She's seen other marks on her, on her back and 344 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: on her tummy, on her legs. She knows this is 345 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: he did not harm her night one and that was it. 346 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: This has been an old going I don't get it. 347 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: And you know what, Cheryl, I'm thinking of one particular case. 348 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: You know it very well. This was a guy who 349 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: handled all of the livery horse drawn carriages and Limo 350 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: big Limo tourist service in the city of Atlanta, rolling 351 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: in money. His living girlfriend actually brought the children that 352 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: he had been having full on sex with. One was three, 353 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: I think the other one was five. She actually took 354 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: them to the defense office the weekend before I struck 355 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: the jury to get them to recant. Absolutely, yes, yes, 356 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: a devil, the devil. I don't get it. Doctor Angela Arnold. 357 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: You know I'm just a trial lawyer. You're the shrink. 358 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: Why would any mother pick some good for nothing living 359 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: boyfriend over her child. It happens all the time, Nancy, 360 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: because people people, because these good for nothing living boyfriends 361 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: have certain kinds of personality disorders that attract these women 362 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: to them, and they tell them what they want to hear. 363 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: Have you looked at this guy? He ain't all that 364 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: and a bag of chips, I can tell you that much. 365 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what hold he's got over anybody exactly, 366 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: but but we don't know what kinds of things he 367 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: said to her, what she wanted to hear from him, 368 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: and how he and then and people just overlook things. 369 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: She needed to go to walk, and so she left 370 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: the baby with him. She saw the bruises on that 371 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: baby's face. I mean, hold on, let me follow up 372 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: on that. To Diamond Chandler. This is three year old 373 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: Trinity's aunt on the father the bio dad's side, who 374 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: had been cut out of the life my mom. According 375 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: to the dad in lieu of this living lover, there 376 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: was nobody else that could babysit the little girl. Diamond, 377 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: she had a great babysitter in Ashley Brown. She had 378 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,479 Speaker 1: great neighbors who would help her out whenever she needed. 379 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: She had her mother, of it, she could call to 380 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: watch Trinity. Any of the family would have driven hundreds 381 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: of miles to get Trinity. If she said, my boyfriend 382 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: is hurting Trinity, it's just a chilling me. Admit herself. 383 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: What was that? He did admit herself in writing. She 384 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: said he had hurt her before, but I never thought 385 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: in a million years he would do this. Oh God, 386 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: you know what. My husband, who was six foot four, 387 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: when I would have to go to work at HLN 388 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: at night, of course, I had a nanny cam. Thank 389 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: you hill In and CNN. They installed a nanny cam. 390 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: If you were watching, you saw me looking down. He 391 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: thought I was reading the news. I was not. We 392 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: had a nanny cam under a glass desk. I could 393 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: see what was happening at home because I could not 394 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: concentrate while my children were without me, and I was 395 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: on the air, so that would call me Dan and 396 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: I could keep going. And I'm just thinking anyway, what 397 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: I was saying was he's six foot four. I said, 398 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: if you spank her, do it on the arm with 399 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: two fingers. That was her big spank and she would scream, 400 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, out of the humiliation. What mom would stand 401 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: by and let the child be brutalized like this Crime 402 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about the death 403 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: a beautiful three year old girl. And I want to 404 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: give you a hot light number right now. It's for 405 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: child help child abuse. You can be anonymous eight hundred 406 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: four a child the number four or eight hundred four 407 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: two two four four five three, eight hundred four two 408 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: two four four five three. I think I heard Joe 409 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan or Mark Klass say, O MG, when you 410 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: heard Diamond Chandler state that the mother kneeds her baby 411 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: was being attacked? Who was that just got her? That 412 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: was mean? And j P and Mark Well listening. We 413 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: have a situation here and we've discovered over the last 414 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: few minutes a multiple calls were made to both the 415 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: Michigan State Police and Child Protection Services over a number 416 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: of months leading up to this horrible, torturous murder homicide, 417 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: and in each instance, the authorities turned aside. CPS didn't care. 418 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: Every opportunity was afforded because of good neighbors, because of BIODAD, 419 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: because of other people to ensure that this little girl 420 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: had a chance, and Bio mom turned aside, Bio Grandma, 421 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: despite the fact that she was purchasing gifts for her, 422 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: she turned aside, and they allowed this man to torture 423 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: and murder this little girl. And I think there's a 424 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: special place in hell for people like that, not only 425 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: the person that did it, with the people the enablers 426 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: that allowed it to happen. Little Trinity never had a chance, 427 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: you know what. I'm also thinking about her life, Mark Lass, 428 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: what kind of life she led at just three, waking 429 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: up in the morning and being afraid to come out 430 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: of your bedroom, afraid you'll be beat by mommy's lover 431 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: and Mommy you'll just stand by and watch. Yeah, I mean, 432 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: you know. It reminds me of a case I had, 433 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, and it was actually a murder case, and 434 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: the sister of the murder victim and the whole family, 435 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: big huge family were like eight or nine children would 436 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: come to court every day, and I got very close 437 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: to one of the adult sisters and as it turned out, 438 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: her father had molested her since she was a child. 439 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: And the mother needs you and did nothing, and even 440 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: into her adult to Kathleen Murphy, her heart was broke 441 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: up because mother did nothing. I am that person that 442 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: does nothing. Because I go into the court system, I 443 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: show the court the problem. I explain, I yell, I scream, 444 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: I stomped, and still nothing gets done. And I try, 445 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: and I try, and I try. But you are faced 446 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: with a philosophy through the court system. It will take 447 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: seven million, three hundred and sixty five thousand pieces of 448 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: evidence to prove abuse, and it takes one person to 449 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: say I didn't do it, and the court says there's 450 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: no abuse and the child goes right back into the home. 451 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: Take a listen to see w d I V. Family 452 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: members tell us little Trinity's mom was doing her overnight 453 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: workshift at a nursing home. They say Smart was home 454 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: with Trinity and reported the family that Trinity wasn't waking 455 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: up in the morning and took her to a nearby 456 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: fire station. The little girl was dead. There's been multiple 457 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: CPS investigations and reports between mister Smart and three year 458 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: old Trinity Chandler. That MSP investigator just telling the court 459 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: there is video of a little girl being abused in 460 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: their evidence, and just a day before CPS investigators did 461 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: a welfare check on Trinity. I just got know it 462 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: again also this morning that CPS actually showed up to 463 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: do a welfare check with Trinity Friday where they observed injuries. 464 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: Are a welfare check by CPS where injuries to the 465 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: girl were seen. Nothing was done. The next day, little 466 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: Trinity was dead. Mark Class, I can't. I just don't 467 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: think I can take it. Another child CPS ignores. Now 468 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they committed the murder. We already know 469 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: who committed the murder, but they did nothing. The child 470 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: has covered in bruises. They leave her there, Mark, they 471 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: should be charged. They are an institution that exists solely 472 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: to protect children from these kinds of situations, and they 473 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: completely and totally failed in their duty to little Trinity. 474 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: And I agree, I think there needs to be accountability 475 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: for the individuals that were involved in her case and 476 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: again turned a blind eye to her. I just don't 477 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: understand how you can and leave that child there, jump 478 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: and go. I have to say, Mark is exactly right, 479 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: and somebody needs to hold Social services accountable. And they 480 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: hide behind confidentiality. To Diamond Channeler, this is three year 481 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: old Trinity's aunt on the biological father's side, Diamond. Did 482 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: the family know that Child Protective Services had been in 483 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: and out of the home and did nothing. Absolutely, But 484 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: we didn't have much faith in them because Trinity's mother 485 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: had other children terminated her parental rights by CPS in 486 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: the past. Who has those children Trinity's mother had, she 487 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: got her rights terminated, and those children were adopted from 488 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: within the system. So I will never see those nieces 489 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 1: and nephews again either. But from the very first CPS report, 490 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: if that mother has already had children removed from her care, 491 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,959 Speaker 1: the very first CPS report should have had a little 492 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: more suspicion. You dart right, guys, take a listen to 493 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: Sergeant Jonathan Walden with Metro North Place. There's been multiple 494 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: CPS investigations and reports between mister smart in three year 495 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: old Trinity Chandler. There is an active open child abuse 496 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: investigation that's being investigated by troopers and detectives here at 497 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: the Metro North Post. CPS actually showed up to do 498 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 1: a welfare check with Trinity on Friday where they observed 499 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: injuries to her, but they didn't feel bad enough to 500 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: remove them. Yeah, she was covered in bruises, and they 501 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: drove away from that home and left this defense, this 502 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 1: three year old girl who was dead less than twenty 503 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: four hours later. This guy Samuel Smart pushing thirty. What 504 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: can you tell me about him? Ray Kiputo wdbo. What 505 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: do we know about Samuel Smart? Sounds like he's a 506 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: pretty good liar given what he is accused of right 507 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: now in Nancy, because just ninety four, when mom was 508 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: at work, Smart sends a video to her of Trinity 509 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: playing with blocks. Looks like everything is all well, and 510 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: then the next morning, this little child rates up and 511 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 1: is unresponsive to me. It sounds like, also we can't 512 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, we don't know the relationship between the boyfriend 513 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: and the mom, but it sounds like he would spend 514 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: him some lives and giving her a false sense of comfort. 515 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: But nevertheless, I mean he's listening, you know what. I 516 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: appreciate that, Ray Kaputo, But the child's carvin and bruises. 517 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: I don't care what video he sends me. That would 518 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: end day one? And what can you tell me, kaput 519 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: wdbo about this so called video showing the little girl 520 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: getting abused? And Child Protective Services still sits here with 521 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: their thumb up their rear end. What video, Danthy, I 522 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: haven't seen the video and I haven't been described the contents. Okay, 523 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: hold on, Diamond Chandler, do you know about a video 524 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: of her being ABS have heard about the video. I 525 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: have not seen it myself, and I have not seen 526 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: a report about it. I'd like to know what that is. 527 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: But apparently CPS had that as well. We now know 528 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 1: that Samuel Smarton has been taken into custody relating to 529 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 1: the child's death. But what about mommy, Mark Klass, Why 530 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: is it the mom charged for leaving the child with 531 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: a known abuser. I think that's a great question. She's 532 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: obviously complicit because she allowed this to happen over long 533 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: periods of time, and there's documented proof of that, through 534 00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: through through investigations, through reports, and through pictures and Chammer, 535 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: what is the mother saying? He is saying that she 536 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: never thought in a million years he would do this, 537 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: even though he's heard her before, which seems like a 538 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,919 Speaker 1: pretty weak defense to me. If you knew that he's 539 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: heard her once, how would you not think that he 540 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 1: would hurt her again? Obviously Defects Department Family Children's Services CPS, 541 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: CHOP Protective services are not going to help the children 542 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,240 Speaker 1: of this country. They will leave them to be murdered brutally. 543 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: That's why it's so important that we join together. If 544 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: you know, if you see, if you hear, if you 545 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: think you know anything, please dial Child Help Child Abuse 546 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: Hotline eight hundred four two two four four five three. 547 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace's crime story, signing 548 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: off for goodness it