1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World. In his new book 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: Teddy and Booker T How two American icons blazed the 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: path for racial equality, New York Times best selling author 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: and Fox News Channel host Brian Kilmeade draws a spotlight 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: on how two wildly different Americans bore immense responsibility in 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: the time of the Jim Crow South. It was nineteen 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: oh one and President Theodore Roosevelt welcomed the country's most 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: visible black man, civil rights activist and educator, Booker T. Washington, 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: into his circle of counselors. That fall, Washington accepted the 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: President's handwritten invitation to dinner, an event that marked a 11 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: moment of shared admiration between two American icons. Amid serious 12 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: racial disunity in the South. The promises of the Emancipation 13 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: Proclamation united them, and what happened afterwards would define their 14 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: relationship in the state of the nation. Here to talk 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: about his new book, I'm really pleased to welcome back 16 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: my guest, Brian kill Meat. He is a Fox News 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: Channel television anchor, co host of the channel's morning show 18 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: Fox and Friends, and hosts of the daily national radio 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,919 Speaker 1: show The Brian kill Meat Show. He's also the author 20 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: of six New York Times bestselling books, and I'm talking 21 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: with him about his latest one, Teddy and Booker t 22 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: how two American icons pleased a path for racial equality. Brian, 23 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: Welcome and thank you for joining me again on news World. 24 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: I can't wait to get started because I remember mentioning 25 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: to you the title on the project, and you always 26 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: have a foundation of all my projects. Before I go in, 27 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: I usually get people saying I never knew that, or 28 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about that. That's never the case 29 00:01:59,320 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: with you. 30 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: Well, in this case, I thought it was a particularly 31 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: important topic. I was delighted that you had taken it 32 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: on the last time we did a podcast, we discussed 33 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: your book, The President and the Freedom Fighter about Lincoln 34 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: and Frederick Douglass. Now what took you from there to 35 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: writing this book next? 36 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: Well, I actually read up from Slavery first, the George 37 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: Washington Secret Six book. I just kind of worked on 38 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: that for twenty years. I was just fascinated that all 39 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: this stuff happened in my backyard on Long Island. Didn'tdn't 40 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: know about it. And I watched National Treasure with Nicholas Cage, 41 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: and I go, wait, this is a better story, and 42 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: it actually happened. George Washington actually kept its secret. It 43 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: was top secret for eighty years until this Morten Pennypacker 44 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: unwound it, which I thought was also a great part 45 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: of the story. And then after doing that, I was done. 46 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: I actually knew about when we were talking about al 47 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: Qaeda and Bin Laden, everyone who on the wright was 48 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: perspective on it, say, you know, Jefferson was the first 49 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 2: to take on his armic extremism. So that brought me 50 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: to the next one. And I was fascinated by eighteen twelve, 51 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: and I was followed Jefferson and brought me to the 52 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: next one. I go, well, what could be next Battle 53 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: of Texas. Let's talk about Sam Houston the Alamo Avengers, 54 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: because what happened after the ALBUMA No one ever talks 55 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 2: about that except for people in Texas who learn about 56 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: it every other year. So then I thought, how do 57 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: I handle the Civil War? You know, you bring up 58 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: race and everyone waits for you to make a mistake, 59 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: say something that's perceived wrong. And I said, well, what 60 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: if I talked about how Lincoln and Douglas worked together 61 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: and defy the odds to be successful, to survive, let 62 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: alone become the two most important people in America. But 63 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: before I did Frederick Douglas, I read up from Slavery, 64 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: which was the story of Booker T. Washington. So can 65 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: you imagine a kid who was a slave until he 66 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: was nine ends up being one of the most important 67 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: people in American history In my view, anyone who says, 68 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: well that the odds are stacked against me, I'm like, 69 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: what about a guy that had didn't have ants or 70 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: shoes until he was nine finds out remembers going to 71 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: the plantation owner's house and he's seeing a Union soldier 72 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: read something. He didn't know it then, but he thinks 73 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: it was the Emancipation Proclamation. And basically his mom starts 74 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: crying and says, you're free, We're free, And they go 75 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: back to the house and he realized, we have nowhere 76 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: to go. He never knew his dad, but she had 77 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: met someone named Ferguson Washington and they headed to West 78 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 2: Virginia to work in the salt mines. But all he 79 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: wanted to do is have an education. So the short 80 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: answer was, when I read this and I could not 81 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: believe it, and then they told me weld Frederick Douglas 82 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 2: is just as impressive read David Blite's book and that 83 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 2: lad the foundation. Go let me do this in order. 84 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: And then when you see Teddy Roosevelt all over the 85 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: story of Tuskegee and what they did meant for each 86 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 2: other and they meant to the country, I go, wow. 87 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: Let me go talk to Tweed Roosevelt. He's running Long 88 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: Island University's Roosevelt Center. He's the great grandson of Teddy. 89 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: And I said, let me see if he thinks as 90 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: a foundation. He and he whipped out a whole bunch 91 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 2: of titles and they said absolutely. You know, my great 92 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: grandfather wasn't perfect. Some things he would say would just 93 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: curl your hair with you know, the today racial insensitivity. 94 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: But there were great partners. Let me know how I 95 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: can help. And that's when I go, okay, I got 96 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: something here. 97 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: Wow. I mean, that's quite an odyssey you've been on. 98 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: I'm intrigued, in part because you managed to bring together 99 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: the guy who may have been the most popular president 100 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: since George Washington, for whom the Teddy Bear is named, 101 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: and a man who was a remarkable statesman despite everything 102 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: in Booker T. Washington. What led you to think about 103 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: the idea of weaving the two of them together, because 104 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: it makes it a much more interesting story than if 105 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: you've done either one or the other. 106 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: See Nude. You can do a Teddy Roosevelt biography and 107 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: bring the things new to it. You can do Booker T. Washington. 108 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: He updated his biography so many times. But I don't 109 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: have fifty years. I don't have the staff. I don't 110 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: think I could do it. So I wanted to take 111 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 2: a slice of their life. I'm also always concerned about 112 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 2: race in America. When I see Kaepernick taking a knee, 113 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: when I see cities burned down and not realizing as 114 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: widow all our faults and the fight we're having now 115 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: in a fight for history. We see it every day, 116 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 2: from Ron DeSantis going to bat for our history books 117 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: to parents being outraised during the pandemic. I feel as 118 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: so I should tell the story of America in my 119 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: own every man way. I don't pretend to have the 120 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: intellect of John Meetchim. I don't pretend to do what 121 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: Dave McCullough did, but I could take a story tell 122 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: it in a way I understand it. I wasn't lucky 123 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: enough to qualify for an Ivy League school. Now I 124 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: feel fortunate. So if I could tell that story and 125 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 2: help America get some context to our race. 126 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: I just have to break in here in the middle 127 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: of this self deprecating explanation of who Brian kill me 128 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: does not? You are a great storyteller. You simplify and 129 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: bring together and bring to life stories in a way 130 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: that I suspect will educate millions of Americans over the 131 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: next generation. 132 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: Thank you. I hope number one got to be accurate. 133 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: Number two is I want people to go. I got 134 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: to learn more. So you take this and you go. 135 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: I got to learn more about Booker T. Than you 136 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: made me happy. You want to learn more about Teddy 137 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: Roosevelt Man. He wrote his own books by the time 138 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: he was out of college. Who War of eighteen twelve 139 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: as a handbook for the Navy. Still, So, I just 140 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: think that if we can get a context on two 141 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: men who overcame racism, There's no doubt about it. Booker T. 142 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: Washington knew if he was to date across races a 143 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: white woman, he could get hanged. There's no doubt about it. 144 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: You were told, you know, you're allowed to go to 145 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: this school, but not to this school. Separate but equal. 146 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: Jim crow All real, well, what if I told you 147 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: that slave loved the country had no bitterness. If you 148 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: were a racist and thought he was less, he would 149 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: not glorify that by getting mad at you or hate you. 150 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: He'd move on and deal with the people that could 151 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: see through it, like Andrew Carnegie, like JP Morgan, like Rosenwaldt, 152 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,119 Speaker 2: the founder of Sears, who said, how can I help? 153 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 2: It's easy to say how I can help in twenty 154 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: twenty three, but how could you say I can help 155 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety, fresho off the Civil War, A lot 156 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: of people were still under the belief there was a 157 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: difference between the races that if you're a white you 158 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: were smarter, and you're black you weren't. And people like 159 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: Benjamin Franklin actually thought that for a while, and he 160 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: had slaves, and then he said, wait a second, it's 161 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: just a matter of education and opportunity, and if the 162 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: smartest man on the planet maybe ever, could be under 163 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: that illusion. You can't really get mad at people who 164 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: are born at a different time. So to see someone 165 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 2: overcome that. Teddy Roosevelt born in the North to money 166 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: to be able to understand his mom is a Confederate, 167 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: the brother's part of the Confederacy and him to see 168 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: above that and say, what do black people need to 169 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: be made better? How could I help the South? Who's 170 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: this guy? Booker T. Washington? He like you, has a 171 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: great wife. They read this book together and she said, Teddy, 172 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: you got to go find Booker T. Washington tracked him 173 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: down and said, let's meet. How do we work together? 174 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: He was vice president at the time, and he goes, 175 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: let's do it. He goes, why don't come down to Tuskego. 176 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: Sounds great? And then McKinley gets shot. He dies weeks later, 177 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: and he becomes president and I have in this book 178 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: the letter He right, sorry, I can't get to Tuskegee. 179 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: I became president. Now I got a whole bunch of 180 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: things to do, but I'm just gonna postpone my visit. 181 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: I'm not canceling it. Can you believe that? So then 182 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: when he comes to Washington, of course they meet. Imagine 183 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: this new the example of a powerful president and a 184 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 2: powerful educator treating each other as equals. How many families 185 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: of meager means and of many of much means looked 186 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 2: at each other and said, if they see no problem 187 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: between the races. Maybe we're telling our kids the wrong thing. 188 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: How does Booker T. Washington sustain Tuskegee in the middle 189 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: of a very, very segregation of to Alabama? 190 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: Well, number one, isn't it great that he he stayed 191 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: in the South when he could have lived differently in 192 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: the north. Me and Andrew Carnegie babily said, whatever you need, 193 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: you should be working too hard. How do I make 194 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: your life easier? And he said, if you give me 195 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 2: a check, I'm giving it to the school. So don't 196 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: give me money. So what he did was he had 197 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: to suck it up new and that's what bothers the 198 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: people who followed web To Boys or Al Sharpton or 199 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: Malcolm X. To a degree. He looked around and said, Okay, 200 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 2: that guy got lynched for no reason. These people are 201 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: not given opportunity just because of the color of their skin. 202 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: And I can't fight every fight. I can't fight any 203 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: fight because as my university, my college grew, I could 204 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: not risk it by having angry white people the KKK 205 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: burned to the ground or resist it. So he had 206 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 2: to pick his spots to push back against the racism 207 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: that he saw and the segregation that took place and 208 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 2: it was tough, and people said horrible things about him, 209 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: and he's not cool today to other people. Besides Alan 210 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 2: West and Harold Ford, a lot of people like talk 211 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: to him and say, you know, they thought he was 212 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: too accommodating. Know what he was. He looked around and said, 213 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do as much as I can in the 214 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: time in which I lift and help the most people possible, 215 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna take every opportunity. And the way he 216 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: did it was he created men and women, women taught 217 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: women went to school who not only went to school, 218 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: but learned to trade. That's why after you. The next 219 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: person I talked to about this was Mike Rowe, because 220 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: they talk about the glory of work and the sanctity 221 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: of work, and the black parents were actually upset, saying, 222 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: I don't want my kid working with his hands. I 223 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: want an intellect. He goes, your kid's gonna have a 224 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: trouble getting hired, so they're gonna have to be invaluable. 225 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: You're gonna be a blacksmith. You're gonna be construction. You're 226 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: gonna be agriculture. You're gonna be their version of a mechanic, 227 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: an engineer. You're gonna work with your hands, and you're 228 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: gonna be a smart guy. You're gonna learn how to 229 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: hold yourself, look people in the eye, greet people with dignity, 230 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 2: handle yourself on and off life. School was a one 231 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: stop shopping how to be a great person and how 232 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: to change generations of perceptions and generations of families. And 233 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: to see a guy with that vision who was born 234 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 2: a slaved in a single parent had to force his 235 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: way four hundred miles to Hampton College to force his 236 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: way in there, and then to turn around say I'm 237 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: going to form a school. I'm not going to get rich. 238 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 2: I'm not going to make speeches in France and Germany 239 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: and make a million dollars. I'm going to go back 240 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: and I'm going to work every single day. When I'm 241 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: not teaching, I'm raising money and changing awareness. So he 242 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: did that in the segregated South, and that's what I 243 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 2: was just in awe of. 244 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: I mean, didn't he started like with a really small 245 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: building and ultimately ended up with a pretty big institution. 246 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 2: Got some sketches in the book. So he ended up 247 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: moving a few miles down the road. When he arrives 248 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: at twenty four years old, to take this college. There's 249 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 2: nothing there. He's got ten days to stand it up 250 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: and no students in one dilapidated building with holes in 251 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: the roof, and he's got to get it to work. 252 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: He literally went into the town to recruited students, many 253 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: of which were older than him, and he started with 254 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: thirty five. And when it started to rain, one of 255 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: the students would pop open an umbrella and hold it 256 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 2: over his head because he wouldn't be stopped. And those students, 257 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 2: little by little would use their trade to build his school. 258 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: So whether they were an architect or whether they were 259 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: an agriculturist, you would use that to grow school, to 260 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 2: grow crops to sell to build the school, build buildings. 261 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 2: And they also would buy kilns. It took four. The 262 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 2: fourth one he had to hawk his watch in order 263 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 2: to get it, and the fourth one worked, and he 264 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: became one of the best brickmakers in the area. And 265 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 2: instead of buying bricks to build up their buildings, they 266 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: made bricks, sold the bricks to the rest of the 267 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 2: town and knewt they gave them away too, to the town. 268 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: And there'll be a wagon sitting in the middle of 269 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: the town that said courtesy up Tuskegee College. And if 270 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: you're a family, a white family, and you walk in, 271 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: you have a certain perception of the blacks. Maybe you 272 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 2: grew up owning slaves, and all of a sudden, these kids, 273 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: these students are donating to your town and an asset 274 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: to your community, bringing in presidents to do commencement addresses. 275 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 2: I read the book and then read the larger education. 276 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe what he did. And then when 277 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 2: I went to Tuskegee was even better than I thought. 278 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: I have a special on Foxation. It'll be available on Sunday. 279 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: It's an hour. So I go to all these places, 280 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: you know, obviously Teddy Roosevelt's house. I go to his apartment, 281 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: you know, as a great shot. And I to think, 282 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: you know this, but almost no one does. Six year 283 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: old Teddy Roosevelt looking out a window as Abraham Lincoln's 284 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: body comes down Broadway, and his grandparents said, this is 285 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: a moment you're never going to forget. You're going to 286 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: get in here. So he went to his grandfather's apartment 287 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: and we went to that building, and we went to 288 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: stood on Broadway exactly where the body came to, where 289 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: Lega's body came down and looking up at that third 290 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 2: floor window that was the lake to Lincoln. And for 291 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: Frederick Douglas, the link was he would come and speak 292 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: at Bookercy Washington School at Tuskegee. So those two linked 293 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: up to each other. And how that's how I linked 294 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: the book to book. 295 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: Part of what's fascinating. Of course, Roosevelt comes out of 296 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: the aristocracy, goes to Harvard. I mean, in many ways, 297 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: the gap between where Booker T. Washington starts and where 298 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: Rose starts is astonishing. And yet by the time they're 299 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: middle aged, they see in each other kindred spirits that 300 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: they both understand that there are people who make history. 301 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: One hundred percent right. But the one thing that I 302 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: think that grounded Roosevelt is his youth and the asthma. 303 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: And I talked to Tweet about it now. Tweet is 304 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: in his eighties and he remembers going to his great 305 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: grandmother's house, Edith. She outlived him by decades, you know, 306 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: he died of fifty nine, and he remembers playing there 307 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: and hearing the stories how bad Teddy's asthma was. There 308 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: was an excellent chance they thought he was going to die, 309 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: they would just sit there and watch as he'd struggle 310 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: to breathe, and he was about eighty pounds. He couldn't 311 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 2: go to school. So this rich kid who seems to 312 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: have it all was struggling to live to the point 313 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: where he said he was fragile kid, and when he 314 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: did go out, was constantly picked on. So even though 315 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: people say, wow, the Roosevelts, they were so rich and 316 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: the father had money, and ye that it's true. But 317 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: if you don't have your health, you don't have anything. 318 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: And that sense of never letting a day go by, 319 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: and always wanting to build up your body, in my 320 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: view and tweet his back that up and his own 321 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 2: words backed it up. That's how Teddy Roosevelt lived his life. 322 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: So I think he can relate to the kid with 323 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 2: no friends. He can relate to those immigrants in New 324 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: York City being taken advantage of being first as roll 325 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: cigars and as a police chief. He brought the press 326 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 2: with him and he highlighted that to change things and 327 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: organize the police department for the first time, and then 328 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 2: he was able to go to bat for the poor 329 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: and then take on corporations, and then in the Midwest 330 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: he would go into North Dakota now and I talk 331 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: to the governor there and now at O'Keefe who now 332 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: runs the Teddy Roosevelt Society, and they talk about what 333 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: his years in the Midwest, being treated like the little guy, 334 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: they mocked his glasses. After the death of his mother 335 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: and his first wife, he goes out and becomes a 336 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 2: rancher in territories not even states. So this rich kid 337 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: who also made himself a war hero, he lived like 338 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: a blue collar kid. In many ways. It's like Trump's 339 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: in some ways. Trump is much more comfortable working class 340 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: people than he is with billionaires. And that's really what 341 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: Teddy Roosevelt would comes out to me, is why he's 342 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 2: able to look at Booker T. Washington and go, you know, 343 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: what do you bring to the table. And look, he 344 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: would he needed the black vote too, Newt, and he 345 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: knew that, you know, to get the black vote, why 346 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 2: not get the most important black figure. And then Booker 347 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 2: T goes, yeah, you need me, and let me tell 348 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 2: you what we need. So it's okay to be a 349 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 2: little transactional in the friendship. If you care about things 350 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 2: more than you care about people, more than you do yourself, 351 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: and your ego he wanted to be a great president 352 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 2: for the country, and Booker T. Washington wanted to change 353 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: things in the South. He didn't want to be famous, 354 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: he didn't want to be rich. He wanted to make 355 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: a difference. And if you have to use somebody to 356 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 2: make a difference, use each other. They saw how each 357 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: other can help each other out, and they could relate 358 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,239 Speaker 2: much more than you would think. In my view, I 359 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: couldn't talk to him in my view, in my research. 360 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it would have been fascinating to have been 361 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: in that meeting when Booker T. Washington first comes in 362 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: and seize President Roosevelt, because they both had to be 363 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: self aware that they were making history just by the 364 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: act of meeting. Yeah. 365 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: I mean when he was vice president, when they first met, 366 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: and he said, listen, how can we help each other? Yeah, 367 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: but you know, to Booker T. Washington's credit, he wented 368 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: and found McKinley was visiting nearby, and he met McKinley. 369 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: They spoke at the same event, and McKinley was in 370 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 2: awe of what he saw and he went up to 371 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 2: McKinley says, I need you to speak at my school. 372 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: And he said, all right, you know I'll get back 373 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 2: to you. So he's like, okay, great. So the next 374 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 2: thing you know, Booker T is at the White House. 375 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: He's like, i'd like to follow through on that. I 376 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 2: need you to speak at my school and then you 377 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: could relate to this. They said, mister President, you know 378 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: you're running for reelection. You need this guy. And next 379 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 2: thing you know, McKinley speaking at the school. And he 380 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: wanted the validation. He wanted the white people in the area. 381 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: He wanted the people around the country to say this 382 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 2: institution is special, and that's the way to do it. 383 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: He didn't do it to make it the Booker T. Story. 384 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: So he was making a difference then. But it's Roosevelt 385 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: that said you're going to be my advice. That day, 386 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: He's like, listen, you're not stopping here. Who should be 387 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 2: a judge? Who should be the postmaster? And one of 388 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: the quotes I used to have it in front of 389 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: me was, don't tell me who's the best for anyone's race. 390 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 2: I used to meet the best person. So he wanted 391 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 2: the best in the South. You don't want the best 392 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 2: black man or woman. So I thought that was pretty cool. 393 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: Booker T. Washington goes on and leads a remarkable life, 394 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: and then you have, unfortunately Woodrow Wilson comes in and 395 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: is really a segregationist, and we lose ground. I mean, 396 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: we've been slowly, steadily gaining ground. Unfortunately Wilson, who had 397 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: been born in Virginia, even though he was governor of 398 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: New Jersey, did a lot of things that put back 399 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: the process of integration by a generation. One of the 400 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: things that's important about this, I think that we don't 401 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: realize in our lifetime is that there was a period 402 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: where Booker T. Washington was reaching out to audiences all 403 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: across the country and was really creating a sense of 404 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: self help and improving your life and working your way 405 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: to a better future. Did you encounter the sense that 406 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: when he came places that he was really received as 407 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: a serious person and a person who both black and 408 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: white would listen to. 409 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 2: Yes, he had many mentors. He had this one teacher 410 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: in particular at Hampton that taught him how to speak 411 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 2: and hold himself and make eye contact without a microphone obviously, 412 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 2: and hold an audience. You know, General Armstrong saw him 413 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: as a great person. He was the president of Hampton, 414 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 2: but this woman helped him to speak so he could 415 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 2: actually a wow a crowd. And when he saw a 416 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 2: mixed crowd in front of a lot of people, say 417 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,719 Speaker 2: you don't want to speak to a black audience a 418 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 2: white audience at the first time at the same time, 419 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: they're going to want to hear different things. They're going 420 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: to be upset with you. And he pulled it off 421 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: in Atlanta, so he was respected. But towards the end 422 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 2: of his life, I think you stumbled onto not stumbling, 423 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: but you're getting onto a good point. Both of these 424 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 2: men did not end on a high note. Eddy Roosevelt 425 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 2: lost that election, never really recovers. After he goes to 426 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: the Amazon, it comes back. His body never really recovered. 427 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 2: And then Booker T. Washington lost access with Woodrow Wilson. 428 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 2: Woodrow Wilson took great pride in telling everybody I didn't 429 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: let any black students in when I was president of Princeton. 430 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: He did not want the women to vote, He did 431 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 2: not want to Susan B. Anthony, and he wanted no 432 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: part of Booker T. Washington, which is why Booker T. Washington. 433 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: This is an important part of the story. There was 434 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 2: a friendship, yes, but when Teddy Roosevelt goes to run 435 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: against task for the presidency against Woodrow Wilson. They make 436 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 2: it a three man race, and there's so many books 437 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 2: written about this. He went up to Booker t and 438 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: he said, Okay, you know I'm gonna run for president again. 439 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: I'm just hoping you'll endorse me. And he goes, I 440 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: hope you understand. I can't why because what is better 441 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 2: for Tuskegee If I endorse you and you lose. Taff 442 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 2: iced me out. So I have to worry about something 443 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: bigger than me, and that's my legacy, the future as 444 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 2: historical Black collg Wich is that I'm trying to open up. 445 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 2: And Teddy said, I hear you. I get it. So 446 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: he didn't. They didn't win, and Woodrow Wilson ends up 447 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 2: winning and he gets iced out, and Teddy ends up 448 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 2: not in the presidency and now with a party. What 449 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 2: I didn't know is that I did not know that 450 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 2: Teddy was queuing up, had healed things with the Republicans, 451 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: and was going to run against Wilson until he got 452 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 2: sick and died that night. So we might have had 453 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: a Teddy too, which we already had seven years. I 454 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 2: did not know that, so he would have been back 455 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 2: in Booker t and he both out at fifty nine 456 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: and sixty, and Teddy was there at his funeral and 457 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: kept serving on the board of Tuskegee. 458 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: If Roosevelt had been healthy enough in nineteen sixteen, he 459 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: probably would have beaten Wilson. I mean, he was still 460 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: astonishingly popular. 461 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I read it from Taft's perspective, how worried Taft 462 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 2: was that he was going to not run. The biggest 463 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: mistake Teddy Roosevelt said he made was saying the day 464 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: he one election, because memory took over McKinley, he said, 465 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 2: I will not run again. Washington only wants two tens. 466 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: I'm not going to run again, he said. Immediately people 467 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: stopped paying attention to him, and he said, what did 468 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 2: I do? He became a lane duck that day, so 469 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: he's like, well, I'm so young. What was I thinking? 470 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 2: And then when he got to the end, he was 471 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 2: at his zenith and taps like, are you sure you're 472 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: not going to run? And they wanted him to run 473 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 2: up into the last minute. He went to convention and said, no, 474 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: I endorsed Staft, but obviously he still wanted it. 475 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: There was a very famous incident in Brownsville that involved 476 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: a black unit. And people often don't realize that we 477 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: sustained units in the American Army coming out of the 478 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: Civil War, and the number of them played a significant 479 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: role in opening up the West. Talk just fromen about 480 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: Roosevelt and Bookers really come at the Brownsville a fair 481 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: from a very different perspective. 482 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 2: Tedy Roosevelt fought in Cuba famously with the rough Riders 483 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: and with Buffalo soldiers. That's what's an all black unit. Well, 484 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: there was an incident in Brownsville, Oklahoma, and we still 485 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: don't know exactly what happened. And to cut the story short, 486 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 2: they do an investigation and they seem to think that 487 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: one of the Buffalo soldiers was guilty. So he and 488 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: the Teddy Roosevelt looked at the whole situation and said, Okay, 489 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 2: if one of them's guilty, they're all fired, court martialed, 490 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: and he basically got rid of all of them despite 491 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: their service to the country. Booker t watched this says, listen, 492 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 2: I'm getting word you're going against. These guys are innocent. 493 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 2: This is a racial situation, charge situation. These are great patriots. 494 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: Alrety fought for US. I'm telling you, I'm in the South. 495 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: You don't want to do this, And he did it anyway. 496 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 2: So he fired them all and that pleads certain elements 497 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: and the white audience, but it really left a bad 498 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: taste in the mouth of the black audience. But Newt, 499 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 2: you know this personally. You got to let personally go. 500 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: How does it help Booker t if he held a grudge, 501 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 2: It doesn't because his goal was not him is Tuskegee. 502 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 2: They disagreed on that, but after he made his decision 503 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: and went against his advice, they still would continue to 504 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: communicate and advise. But that was the one mistake. I 505 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 2: think that everybody admits that Teddy's wrong, and it was fascinating. 506 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: I put it in the special Tweed, Roosevelt says, and 507 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: Douglas Brinkley confirms that he studied the Romans, and the 508 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 2: Romans did collective punishment, and they said, if one guy 509 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: screws up, you all pay the price. That wasn't the 510 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 2: US policy. That was a Roman policy. He was such 511 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 2: a historian, read a book a day. He's the first 512 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 2: speed reader that I know of that talked totally about it. 513 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 2: And he just said that was the right thing. To do. 514 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: He felt good about the decision, didn't regret the decision. 515 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 2: But it's one of the mistakes that Teddy Roosevelt made. 516 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 2: It's one of the reasons why Mark Twain never liked him. 517 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 2: And he just says some reason that Mark Twain, the 518 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 2: most prolific writer of his generation, seems to be at 519 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: every big moment in American history, whether it's watching Jack 520 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 2: Johnson's fight or hemingway right, he seems to be there. 521 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 2: And sure enough he loves Booker T. But he does 522 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: not have any time for Teddy Roosevelt. And he says, 523 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: see what I told you, what a bad decision. This 524 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: guy's a showman. 525 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: I don't think I ever knew that about Twain's attitude 526 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: towards Roosevelt. That's interesting. You picked a very colorful period 527 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: in that sense that the US is going through enormous changes. 528 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: You have both with Booker T. Washington and with Theaterre Roosevelt, 529 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: people who really are part of the change movement. I mean, 530 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: this is rapidly becoming a different country in that era 531 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: in ways that I think we sometimes forget we're emerging. 532 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: And I thought Teddy Roosevelt was so important is and 533 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 2: it goes to show you what a leader can do. 534 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: He wanted to set the tone for America. He wanted 535 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: to show the emerging muscle. He wanted to say this 536 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 2: is my hemisphere. He jumped at the chance to go 537 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: into Cuba. McKinley was reluctant. He was the one who said, 538 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: this is our opportunity. Let's show our muscle. Let's get 539 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: Spain out of here once and for all. And you 540 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: realize how unique that was. We didn't have really strong 541 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 2: personalities for a long time at the Helm. You know, 542 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: it was really my sense was was really a sense 543 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: of equal branchis of government. You know, they were pretty equal. 544 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 2: Now we get the sense that the president's most powerful 545 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 2: and forced to deal with the Congress. Well, he was 546 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: the one who just gave us just put your chest 547 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 2: out and be proud to be an American and we'll 548 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: take on all comers. And I think we were just emerging. 549 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 2: Someone just asked me what would Roosevelt think about America? 550 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 2: I go immediately, if he was born today, if he 551 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 2: was brought back today, is he'd be proud that we're 552 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: the number one, number one economy, number one military. He 553 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 2: saw that potential in us, not proud of our debt 554 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 2: and the lack of pride in our country that we 555 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: seem to have for our history. But that's one thing 556 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 2: I feel like he's set the tone there. And I 557 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: also think that we're still in that process of coming together. 558 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 2: No difference between races, no difference between the genders. Men 559 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 2: can do it, women can do it. Things change. I 560 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: think we should be a little less judgmental about our 561 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: past and our present and notice how far we've come 562 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 2: as a country in every way. It also compared to 563 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: the rest of the world. They don't even try this. 564 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: We are the most successful multicultural country in the history 565 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 2: of the planet. It doesn't mean we're perfect. And you 566 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: and I are talking about this, does that mean we're 567 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 2: ducking slavery? No? Are we ducking Jim Crow? 568 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: No? 569 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 2: Are we pretending it was not that big of a deal. No, 570 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 2: we're pot people that brought us through. 571 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: That Blumski one a lot of sandwiches. If you were 572 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: talking to a bunch of young people, what do you 573 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: think they should learn from book? 574 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: Or t Washington Overcoming. I want white kids and black 575 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 2: kids to look at this also visualization. I'm reading this book, 576 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 2: I've read all about Napoleon Hill Thinking grow rich, and 577 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: I read about Norman Vincent Peelee the Power of Positive Thinking, 578 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 2: and Anthony Robbins, you wonder what success is, and there's 579 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,479 Speaker 2: a formula they talk about the secret. None of these 580 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 2: guys were alive when Booker T. Washington was alive. But 581 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: you know what he did. He visualized. He pictured being 582 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 2: able to go to school. He pictured being able to 583 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: go to college, he wondered. He pictured himself in a classroom. 584 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 2: He wanted to learn everything. He wanted to be the sponge, 585 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,479 Speaker 2: but he had nobody to teach him. And little things 586 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: happen overhearing two friends arguing, how missus Ruffner is so mean, 587 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 2: you don't want to work for her. I'm quitting. Really, 588 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 2: who's this Missus Rufner. It was his ticket out of 589 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: the salt mines into her house, and she was nice. 590 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 2: She just wanted things done the right way, right person, 591 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 2: the right time. There's something that happens if you want 592 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: to change things in your life, if you want to 593 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 2: become something, you think about it, you put it on paper, 594 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: you dwell on it, and certain coincidence take place to 595 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 2: bring you through it and through Booker T's life. He 596 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: wanted things so badly he almost made them happen. And 597 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: if you go back and talk to these great athletes 598 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 2: and great business people or people that made impact in life, 599 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 2: you'll find that they visualized it. So I just think 600 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 2: there's a pattern there. If there's some kid reading this 601 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 2: book and wants to be the next Wall Street billionaire, 602 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: or wants to be the next real estate a success 603 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 2: story or whatever it is, the best optometrist in the world, 604 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 2: make it happen. Don't tell me you have excuses. Don't 605 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: tell me you have it worse than an eight year 606 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 2: old kid who was born a slavey ate the same 607 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: thing every day, never knew his dad, and slept on 608 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: a dirt floor, who became the most important man in 609 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 2: America and just as famous in Europe. It proves anything 610 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 2: could happen without the BlackBerry, without the iPhone, without social media. 611 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 2: He made it happen, and you can make that happen too. 612 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 2: That's my takeaway, And I want people to know this 613 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 2: is an American story. You could be your own story, 614 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 2: make yourself somebody in your family's proud of. So I 615 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: just think that there's opportunity. While both men were imperfect, 616 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 2: there are problems good. If they were perfect, that means 617 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: you're not getting the whole story. I got one quote 618 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 2: nude for you, and it says this, and I want 619 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 2: black people and white people. I want my audiences. I'm 620 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,479 Speaker 2: going to do these live shows and talk about American history. 621 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: He writes this, with few exceptions, the Negro youth must 622 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: work harder and perform his tasks even better than a 623 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 2: white youth in order to secure recognition. Out of the 624 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: hard work and unusual struggle, though with which he is 625 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: compelled to pass, he gets a strength and a confidence 626 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 2: that one misses whose pathway is comparatively smooth by reason 627 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: of birth and race. So, yeah, it's going to be 628 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 2: tougher for you get over it. But when you get 629 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: through it, you're going to be more prepared to appreciate 630 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 2: it and sustain it. And don't we see that the 631 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 2: first generation that breaks through and successful got hunger that 632 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 2: brought them there. Worry about the second generation having that 633 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 2: same hunger. He's saying, I know it's tough, don't complain. 634 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 2: Take action. When I saw that quote, I said, that's 635 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: going to help anybody. 636 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: It's really important if people will look at Theodore Roosevelt's 637 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: childhood at asthma and how little expectation people had that 638 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: he could ever lead a full life. And then if 639 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: they would look at Booker T. Washington, a slave until 640 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,719 Speaker 1: it was nine, having to struggle to get educated, and 641 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: then becoming maybe the greatest educator of his generation, it 642 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: should say to virtually everybody in America, if you're willing 643 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: to dream big and work hard, it's amazing what you 644 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: can accomplish. 645 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 2: Yes, and be appreciative along the way that you're in 646 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,479 Speaker 2: this country and people born here for generations take it 647 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: for granted it's human nature. But unless you study the past, 648 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 2: you don't understand why you should feel lucky to be here. 649 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 2: And when they don't put it in schools and tell 650 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 2: you there's going to be a test at the end 651 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,719 Speaker 2: of the day, I think it really can take the 652 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 2: foundation out of the country. 653 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,239 Speaker 1: That's right. I think your books are one of the 654 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: medicines that is an antidote to that kind of thing. Listen, Brian, 655 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for joining me. I am 656 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: amazed at your work Ethic Clichston. I occasionally watch you 657 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: doing various shows and we think you know it may 658 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: be the hardest working guy that we know. You're always 659 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: a fascinating conversation. Your new book, Teddy and Booker t 660 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: How Two American Icons Blaze the Path for Racial Equality? 661 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: It's a great read. I encourage all of our listeners 662 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,439 Speaker 1: to get a copy and to try to get every 663 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: young person they can to read it. 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