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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to Friday edition Texans All Access from not

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Speaker 1: at Texans Radio Studio. I am John Harris, Football else,

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Speaker 1: a solid reporter. Join right off the top and through

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Speaker 1: most of the show. I'm a good friend the voice

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Speaker 1: of the Texans, Mark Vandamir ten G. I f happy Friday,

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Speaker 1: my friend. How you doing, Johnny? I'm doing great. It's Friday,

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Speaker 1: It's good and here we are at It's late March,

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Speaker 1: so I feel like when you get into April, the

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Speaker 1: clock really starts ticking. It's four months to go. It

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Speaker 1: reminds me of my first year with the Texans two

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Speaker 1: thousand and two. April first just felt like, okay, it's

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Speaker 1: all and I know it seems like wait a minute, Mark,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we just got into the off season here.

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Speaker 1: But I think in terms of being in this building,

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Speaker 1: when you see free agency that first wave come to

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Speaker 1: an end and the draft is just a few weeks away,

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Speaker 1: you really feel the buzz start to build this time

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Speaker 1: of year, and then you go into that lull the

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Speaker 1: desert after the mini camp. I don't know how they're

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Speaker 1: gonna handle all that this year, but my point is this,

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Speaker 1: I can feel it, you know, I can feel it

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Speaker 1: coming in the air tonight. You know, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: sing the whole Field College song, but you get my

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Speaker 1: drift here. That's yeah, how it is coming back. We

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Speaker 1: got plenty to do tonight. We're gonna talk about this

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Speaker 1: big trade that happened today. We're also going to look

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Speaker 1: at the wide receivers and running backs and how the

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Speaker 1: changes maybe impact what they might do in the draft,

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Speaker 1: how they go about it. We'll do that a little

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Speaker 1: later in the show. And then we're also gonna hear

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Speaker 1: from a good friend, Stile Capaccio, because I got to

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Speaker 1: thinking about this last night. We were talking with the

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Speaker 1: general and he mentioned the name Shack Lawson. I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: sound had a really good comment and a couple of

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Speaker 1: good comments when I asked about Shack Lawson, who spent

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Speaker 1: the first part of his career in Buffalo. So I figured,

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Speaker 1: you know what, let's bring that back and look at

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Speaker 1: that and we'll talk about that a little later. But

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Speaker 1: you just talked about this right off the bat. Mark.

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Speaker 1: You know how excited I get for drafts, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, I get like in a different zone. What

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Speaker 1: was it light gearing up for that very first one

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Speaker 1: draft is kind of taking a life of its own,

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Speaker 1: but that was the first big event. And when didn't

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Speaker 1: they know it was Derek When did you know it

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Speaker 1: was David Carr? There was an assumption it was David Carr,

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Speaker 1: and they signed him before the pick was made. I

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Speaker 1: can't remember exactly how many days, but it was days.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't the night before like the Mario Williams thing.

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Speaker 1: The next time they would have the number one pick

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, they signed David in advance,

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Speaker 1: and you know it was gonna be him, and he

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Speaker 1: had the great year with Fresno State. If anyone wonders

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Speaker 1: why they picked David Carr number one overall in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and two, go look up car stats with Fresno

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Speaker 1: and what that Fresno team did his senior year there

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Speaker 1: he was number one pick worthy he was. Now, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning, you know, sure kind of

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Speaker 1: thing coming out, but he looked pretty darn good. You know,

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Speaker 1: he looked better than I think, better than a Baker

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Speaker 1: Mayfield coming out. Anyway. I'm not saying that car turns

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Speaker 1: out to be better, obviously, I think Baker Mayfields already

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Speaker 1: turned it out to be better than David Carr, who

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Speaker 1: never led his team to the playoffs. But you understand

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, the projection, and you could answer that

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Speaker 1: better than I can. But anyway, they had thirteen picks

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Speaker 1: in that draft and the expansion College Draft, not the

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Speaker 1: Expansion Draft which took place February eighteenth, two. That was

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Speaker 1: you know, we knew who they were gonna take, and

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Speaker 1: they made it a very nice, suspenseful sort of event

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Speaker 1: at the George R. Brown Convention Center. The other day,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Is that first draft party took place at the Astrodome.

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Speaker 1: It was inside the Astrodome, the first Texans draft party

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Speaker 1: because and RG Stadium wasn't available yet so it was

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Speaker 1: under construction. Still, that was a really unique time in

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Speaker 1: team history, and I think the Texans early failures or

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Speaker 1: they could have. With the first couple of drafts, they

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Speaker 1: hit it right with Andrey Johnson. Obviously, they hit it

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Speaker 1: right with Chester Pits, Jabbar Gaffney, there were some other players.

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Speaker 1: I think Fred Weary was a good pick, but they

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Speaker 1: got a lot of picks wrong and when you have

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Speaker 1: thirteen picks in one draft. Can you imagine have thirteen

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Speaker 1: the first round. And I think that it costs them

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Speaker 1: to not draft as well as they wanted. They started

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Speaker 1: five six rookies on offense in two thousand and two.

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Speaker 1: They couldn't move the ball well at all. It was

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Speaker 1: of injuries and other issues went into that. We've talked

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Speaker 1: about Tony Bosselli and Ryan you know, the lob not

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Speaker 1: being available for them. But it was a fun time

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Speaker 1: and I'll never forget gearing up of that first Texans

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Speaker 1: draft and first offseason that I lived through, in the

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Speaker 1: whole fan base lived through. It was an exciting time.

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Speaker 1: You know, two of the greatest players in NFL history

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Speaker 1: Tony Massellian ed Reid. It just very strange. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, if you go check out in the Lab podcast,

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Speaker 1: Drew and I finished our ultimate draft and Tony Bassellian

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Speaker 1: ed read both on John Harris's team. So yes, we

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Speaker 1: could pick but wait a minute, wait a minute, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you get to have their performance as non Texans. Yes,

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Speaker 1: because because we drafted one player from each franchise, which

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Speaker 1: got to be really, really difficult. I'm telling you, if

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Speaker 1: in you DP, etc. It would have gotten dicey, especially

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Speaker 1: for certain teams because who do you now? With the Texans,

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Speaker 1: you could go a number of different ways. You have

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Speaker 1: a few guys you could pick from. But if you're

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Speaker 1: the Jags, you go Busselli And then where do you go?

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Speaker 1: Fred Taylor Kins? I mean you're going really deep though,

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Speaker 1: But I mean Drew end up going Jalen Ramsey, which

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Speaker 1: you know, it's our rules. It was a good pick.

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Speaker 1: You know, he was a he was a pro bowler

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Speaker 1: the Ravens was Edree. It was a really challenging process

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Speaker 1: got to pick one guy from each team. So it

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Speaker 1: to do. I want to throw this out there. I

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Speaker 1: or MEU and Drew will start that, and Deep as well,

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Speaker 1: whole lot more than four shows, but that remains to

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Speaker 1: be seen. Mark, I asked you about the draft in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and two. The draft in twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: took a hard left turn today and it happened all

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Speaker 1: because I had written a whole article after the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. They forty nine ers and the Dolphins made

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Speaker 1: this now change the draft? What does this mean? I

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Speaker 1: finished that I send it to Amanda. Amanda Cafe, who

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Speaker 1: does all kinds of great stuff for us, posting articles,

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Speaker 1: why they keep talking about the Eagles. Oh no, Amanda,

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Speaker 1: don't post it. Had to rewrite the whole thing because

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Speaker 1: now the Eagles got in it. The gist of it is,

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins essentially go from three to six, the Eagles

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Speaker 1: go from six to twelve, and they get Miami's first rounder,

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Speaker 1: and the forty nine ers go all the way up

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Speaker 1: to number three. Mark, when you saw that going on,

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Speaker 1: how what was your gut reaction to all that happening

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Speaker 1: Niners going from twelve to three, right, right, So that deal,

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Speaker 1: then they got first rounders in twenty twenty two and

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Speaker 1: Then they turned rounds. Well, yeah, I mean three wants

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Speaker 1: up more. R What did the Texans? How many spots

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Speaker 1: In two thousands? They went from twenty five to twelve,

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Speaker 1: But still you understand what I'm saying. I think that's

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Speaker 1: I think what makes it so expensive draft capital wise

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Speaker 1: for the forty nine ers is that everyone else you

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Speaker 1: gonna take a quarterback and number three, Yes, I mean

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Speaker 1: there's no chance you're not going to. So what you're

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Speaker 1: telling me is Garoppolo is still a forty nine er

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Speaker 1: going to be for much longer, is Garoppolo? Now this

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Speaker 1: is wild to me. Exact Garoppolo either gets traded from

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Speaker 1: he's got a no trade clause in his contract. Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: he can tell them no. He's got a no trade

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Speaker 1: not going back to New England. Now I'm just using

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Speaker 1: That no trade clause can make this very interesting. So

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Speaker 1: probably we're not getting Trevor Lawrence and more than likely

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Friday Issues and Texans All Access. I

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Speaker 1: am your host, John Harris Longside, the Voice of the Texans,

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Speaker 1: Mark Vandimir Mark. One thing is, I was driving home

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Speaker 1: last night, I was kind of thinking to myself about

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Speaker 1: our conversation with the General John McClain, and I asked

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Speaker 1: him about Philip Lindsay and he talked about some of

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Speaker 1: the people he had talked to in Denver and if

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Speaker 1: he could stay healthy. Essentially, what they told him was,

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Speaker 1: if he could stay healthy, you've got something extraordinary on

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Speaker 1: your hands. He will be that number one guy. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what you took out of that, but that

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Speaker 1: kept kind of like reverberating in my mind as I

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Speaker 1: was driving home. Do you think that's the case. How

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Speaker 1: do you look at this running back position now with

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Speaker 1: what's there with Phil Lindsay being added to the group,

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Speaker 1: and do you think it keeps them out of the

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Speaker 1: rookie running back operation through the draft this year? I

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Speaker 1: don't think it does. I think somehow a rookie ends

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Speaker 1: up here. It doesn't have to be a highly drafted. Look,

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Speaker 1: you can't get a highly drafted rookie. The lookings are

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Speaker 1: set up right now. Your first pick is in the

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Speaker 1: third round, but I doubt they're picking a running back

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Speaker 1: that high relative to what they have. Maybe somebody in

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Speaker 1: the later rounds undrafted free agents. You know they're gonna

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Speaker 1: bring people in here. Johnny, And the way McLain was

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Speaker 1: talking with us last night, it's almost he it's almost

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Speaker 1: as if he thinks it's a foregone conclusion that at

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Speaker 1: least one of these big names and I'll put big

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Speaker 1: in air quotes here, but these names, you know, might

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Speaker 1: not be here. Maybe all of them won't be here

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Speaker 1: by the time you hit the starting line in September.

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Speaker 1: But I doubt that's true. I think Lindsay. When you

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Speaker 1: look at Lindsay, he's young enough, not a lot of

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Speaker 1: tread on the tire. It's only his fourth season in

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Speaker 1: the league. He's never averaged less than four point three

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Speaker 1: per carry. I think there's a lot there, and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna enjoy watching him assimilate into this offense. We're all

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Speaker 1: eager to see it. I like that Danny Barrett still

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Speaker 1: here to help coach the running backs, you know, and

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Speaker 1: Lindsay's fully operational, healthy full season. You know he can

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Speaker 1: catch the ball out of the backfield. I do think

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Speaker 1: the way it's set it up right now, I look

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Speaker 1: at it as a bike committee thing. Ingram lindsay, you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll see some David Johnson, of course, and they'll just

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Speaker 1: spread the ball around among those guys and find out

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Speaker 1: who the hot hand is. That's easy for me to

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Speaker 1: say that now in late March, maybe I have a

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Speaker 1: completely different idea, But I do believe that he can

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Speaker 1: add a lot to this attack and needs to. You know,

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Speaker 1: they have to run the ball better, and I like

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Speaker 1: that they have again competition options. The line's gonna be

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Speaker 1: different in the interior. It's got to be better at

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Speaker 1: run blocking. The backs have to do a better job.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing has to work better, and they're making

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Speaker 1: the moves to help along that in that direction. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not like he can go out and sign all right,

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Speaker 1: we got John Hannah, Dwight Steve and you know, like

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Speaker 1: they can't get those guys in free agencies. Those guys

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Speaker 1: are long past their prime, by the way, and Dwight

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Speaker 1: Stevenson no longer with us, right did he did he?

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Speaker 1: Did he buy the farm? Did Dwight Stevens? Why is that?

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Speaker 1: In my mind? Johnny thinks I think he's still right now.

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Speaker 1: I think continue with your point, continue with your point,

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Speaker 1: continue with your point, continue with my point. He's still alive.

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Speaker 1: Thank goodness. I'm all worried anyway. So I believe that

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Speaker 1: you know, clearly they got to do a better job,

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Speaker 1: and that's why they're adding so much to this And yes,

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Speaker 1: more is on the way. I would be shocked if

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Speaker 1: they don't add to the mix undrafted free agents or

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Speaker 1: laid around picks. Yeah, with David Johnson, mark Ingram, Philip Lindsay,

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Speaker 1: those three guys have all been successful in this league

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Speaker 1: in they've all been Pro Bowlers before. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: that Phip Lindsay made Pro Bowls rookie year. I think

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Speaker 1: that was the year that we saw him in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: And then behind him you got Buddy how Scottie Phillips,

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Speaker 1: Doctre Hilliard. Now that's that's six running backs, and Colin

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Speaker 1: Glaspia was released. I think he signed with the Giants,

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Speaker 1: so he is no longer in the building. Texans really

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Speaker 1: didn't use the fullback all that much. They don't use

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Speaker 1: Gilly all that much. They didn't use Pharrell Brown in

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Speaker 1: that role. Kind of the sniffer. Why all that Ryanizzo

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Speaker 1: can do the same thing. So they've got some guys

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Speaker 1: that can that can do that. So I don't think

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Speaker 1: a fullback's there. But that's six guys. Mark. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how they're gonna get it from six to three.

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Speaker 1: But I got a feeling one of those veterans just

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Speaker 1: by doing the math, because you know body House playing

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Speaker 1: special teams. You know that, you know that Doctro Hilliard,

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Speaker 1: Scottie Phillips will play special teams if asked, and we

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Speaker 1: know that Doctro Hilliard was in the return game. But

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Speaker 1: David Johnson, market Ingram, Philip Lindsay and either one of

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Speaker 1: those guys is gonna play special teams. So I would

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Speaker 1: imagine you can't have all three make it. I would

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Speaker 1: I would guess maybe my parade, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: because actually I like all three. I like how all

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Speaker 1: three go together, and I like last year the idea,

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Speaker 1: the theory of David Johnson Duke Johnson, to me was

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Speaker 1: much better than the reality of those two because I

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Speaker 1: felt like, you know, they had similar skills. I felt

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Speaker 1: like you could get them both on the field at

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Speaker 1: the same time and that and that just really, it

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Speaker 1: never never worked. They didn't use David that much as

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver until later in the year. Duke really

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Speaker 1: wasn't used much as a runner, and they didn't move

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Speaker 1: anybody off the ball up front, so you didn't really

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Speaker 1: capitalize on that. But I look at Ingram and I

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Speaker 1: look at Lindsay, and I would love for them to

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Speaker 1: keep all three, But I just don't know how you

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Speaker 1: do it unless you're keeping four, maybe even five running backs.

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Speaker 1: So the back and the two at the back end,

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Speaker 1: Buddy Howe and Hilliard or Buddy how and Scottie Phillips,

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Speaker 1: those two guys, you know, are going to end up

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Speaker 1: playing special teams, and maybe you're banking on one of

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Speaker 1: those three being banged up, that ones on ir whatever

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Speaker 1: the case might be. But it's gonna be tough to

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Speaker 1: keep four running backs and those three are taking up

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Speaker 1: three spots and the third guy is not playing special teams.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know how that's really good, how it's

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Speaker 1: gonna work out. But I love the fact that they'll

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Speaker 1: have the opportunity all in training camp to sort of

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Speaker 1: figure it out. But to me, it says interesting the

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Speaker 1: running back position has been in a while because years ago,

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Speaker 1: it was, well, it's gonna be Lamar Miller and dealte Foreman,

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Speaker 1: like okay, like you just knew it was gonna be

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Speaker 1: those two guys. Then it's Lamar Millard. Now twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: after Lamar got hurt, it got like, okay, what are

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Speaker 1: we gonna do now? And then Carlos Hide came right

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Speaker 1: for the season. You're like, oh, Carlos and Duke, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is cool. But before the season started, you kind

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Speaker 1: of knew it was Lamar Millard. I guess you thought

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Speaker 1: it was gonna be Delta Foreman, so I guess it

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Speaker 1: did change. But going in blue or Alfred Blue, you

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Speaker 1: go back to that. You know you knew, you know,

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Speaker 1: Alfred had some solid games for this team. Let's give

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Speaker 1: him some credit. You know, you think about Cleveland and

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen and having over a buck in that game

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Speaker 1: and a good game against Cincinnati in twenty sixteen, and

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Speaker 1: you know he could do that for you an occasion.

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Speaker 1: But he wasn't one of these guys, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. These guys have really done some explosive things. Now,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's behind them. With David Johnson and Mark Ingram.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think Lindsay obviously being a younger guy,

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Speaker 1: that that could work out better for him. But I

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Speaker 1: got a feeling it's not, and they're gonna have either

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Speaker 1: a tough decision to make or to your point, just

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Speaker 1: you know, keep a couple of extra guys to play

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Speaker 1: special teams virtually only as you know, Buddy, how Scottie

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Speaker 1: Phillips type players. If in fact not them, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just think more players are on the way,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think there's any fear of cutting anybody

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Speaker 1: in this building, right. They are going to do what

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Speaker 1: they need to do to make the team better. But

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Speaker 1: the fact that they have these three names and they're

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Speaker 1: not again, it's not like you're bringing in Hall of famers.

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00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: You're just bringing in names people know. But to have

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Speaker 1: them duke it out, I shouldn't have used that word.

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00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: To have them play it out and see who can

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Speaker 1: earn that playing times. And you're right about David and

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Speaker 1: Duke from last year that was on paper, we could

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Speaker 1: draw it up and say, look, that was a good

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Speaker 1: prospect there in your running game to have those two players.

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Speaker 1: When David went out for a while, Duke was the

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Speaker 1: exclusive runner virtually and it just didn't work out the

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Speaker 1: way you needed to with ground game production. Look, I

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Speaker 1: don't care how they do it, Johnny, they gotta run

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Speaker 1: the ball better. I mean, this is hardly a headline.

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Speaker 1: They're looking at what they did last year. They're looking

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Speaker 1: at what needs to be done around this league. They're

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00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: looking at how this team's gonna be set up. They

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00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: kind of run the football. They gotta do it. The

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00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: defense needs it, the offense, everybody needs it. Houston needs it.

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Speaker 1: Let's see how they can get it done. Well. I

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Speaker 1: find it interesting, mart because I listen, they've they've got

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Speaker 1: to run the ball better. But Nick Saban was on

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Speaker 1: and I can't remember where where I saw. Oh he

609
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: was doing a coaching clinic and I think it was Louisiana.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna coaching clinic and he was kind of get

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Speaker 1: peppered for questions. And one of the things that he

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Speaker 1: brought up I thought was very very interesting. He said,

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Speaker 1: if you think that in today's football you can play

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Speaker 1: good defense, run the ball, not turn over, that you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have a high level of success, you're fooling yourself.

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Speaker 1: And he said, I believe that for a long time.

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Speaker 1: And he said, then he said, then it changed. I

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00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: started seeing the game changing. He's like, I better evolve

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Speaker 1: and change with it or I'm gonna be in a

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00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: lot of trouble now. The thing about it was they

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Speaker 1: did have an explosive running game at Alabama last year.

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Speaker 1: Um and so that every every year. But they also

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Speaker 1: had Jay got a guy who looks like Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 1: If it's not in fact Derek finding the ball, Like

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Speaker 1: every year a guy comes out Obama who is from

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Speaker 1: Central casting. You they need to run the ball. But

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Speaker 1: give me like two or three of those guys and

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Speaker 1: keep up the pipeline. Okay, I mean this is like

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Speaker 1: this is my point board versus Ferrari. Yeah. My point

630
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Speaker 1: of bringing that up is you don't have to run

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Speaker 1: it like Alabama. You don't have to do it like that,

632
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Speaker 1: but you have to provide some sort of balance in

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Speaker 1: your offensive attack. You have to provide some explosiveness in

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Speaker 1: your offensive attack at every position. And the one thing

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Speaker 1: I do know, especially for those two first backs David

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Speaker 1: Johnson mark Ingram, they will hit you right smack in

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Speaker 1: the face and pass protection. There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: I Mean we saw David do that a ton so

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of value there, even if it's not

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Speaker 1: running for one hundred fifty yards per game. But to

641
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Speaker 1: get this offense to a balanced level to help out

642
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: the defense that still is going to need some help.

643
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to run the ball, move the

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Speaker 1: clock a little bit, and make sure that that is

645
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Speaker 1: a part of your offense. It doesn't have to be

646
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: your only the only part of your offense, but it's

647
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Speaker 1: got to be a significant part of the offense to

648
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Speaker 1: take the pressure off of every other unit on the field,

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00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: and of course, uh the quarterback as well, and the

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Speaker 1: passing game. I mean, it just it has to. I

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Speaker 1: just thought it was interesting that Nick Saban talked about that,

652
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Speaker 1: how he was kind of locked in to doing things

653
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Speaker 1: one way, like, No, you played defense in you on

654
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: the ball, and it's like it's changed now it's changed.

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Speaker 1: Don't mean you can't. Don't mean you can be the

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00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: worst defense. I mean you got the worst running game.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. You matter not have the worst

658
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: in both, that's for sure. And that's what we were

659
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: last Well, you said it it's balanced, because what did

660
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: the Texans quarterback have more of than anybody else in

661
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: the league last year? Passing yards that was great. However,

662
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: not being able to run the football literally cost them games.

663
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: Literally your offense got off the slow starts. You need

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00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: the balance, you have to It's a key ingredient. It's

665
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: like we can make burgers, but we don't have any beef.

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Speaker 1: So I got the catchup and the bond. I got

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Speaker 1: the tomatoes and some pickles and some mustard, but I

668
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: don't have any beat. I mean, you have to have it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where it sits in that ingredient depth chart,

670
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: by the way, Johnny, but I'm watching like Tom Brady,

671
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback whoever lived, and I'm you know, he's

672
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: still putting the ball in somebody's gut, Like we need

673
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: some yards on the ground otherwise I'm getting killed here

674
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: and this team the way, Look, Watson, whatever I know, Watson,

675
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what you know. Obviously we're dealing with

676
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: a situation here. But this team needs to be able

677
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: to run the ball. I don't care who's playing quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And I've seen it here from the get go. When

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00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: they're able to move the ball on the ground, they win.

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00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: They're more likely to win. I mean, it's just that simple.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I love being able to throw it.

682
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: The old thing is like you gotta run the move

683
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: the ball, but you gotta throw to score. That's fine,

684
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: that's fine, Okay, great. I'm not saying you don't need to.

685
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: But they got to improve greatly in that category, no doubt.

686
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: One other places they've got to improve is setting the edge,

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Speaker 1: playing the run, and getting after the quarterback. Shack Austin

688
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: will help them do that. Talking about Buddy Salacapaccio next,

689
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: you'll have to stick around to hear what he had

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Speaker 1: to say about Shack as a player for the Texans

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Speaker 1: at what he was as a Buffalo Bill a few

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Speaker 1: years ago. Well do that next to Texans All Access.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Everybody? What I don't segment of this Friday

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Speaker 1: edition of Texans All Access. I'm your host, John Harris,

705
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: football analyst, sideline reporter. So much has been going on

706
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, good bet, but one of

707
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: the good things that took place, in my estimation, was

708
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Speaker 1: a trade that Nick Serain the Texans made with the

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins for defensive end Shack Lawson. Now, Shack I

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Speaker 1: had rated pretty highly back in the day, and I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to remember. I want to say it was the

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Speaker 1: twenty maybe in the twenty seventeen draft. I think it

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Speaker 1: was the twenty seventeen draft. I think that's right because

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Speaker 1: he spent four years in Buffalo seventeen eighteen, nineteen. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's sixteen. Anyway, Shack Lawson last year was with the

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. And just getting a fuel for NFL teams

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Speaker 1: and needs and things around the league. I've been watching

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Speaker 1: various teams, so I was watching the Chiefs, I was

719
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: watching the Cardinals, I was watching the Rams. Man Also,

720
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Speaker 1: you never know when you're gonna pick up something from

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00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: a scheme that you see or something like that. So

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Speaker 1: I got a run of the Dolphins because I was

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Speaker 1: kind of curious what the Dolphins looked like last year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I saw him, but I didn't really see them,

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Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. Like I watched games,

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00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 1: I didn't really watch them like I normally do. So

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Speaker 1: I was watching Dolphins against the Rams. I think it's

728
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Speaker 1: Dolphins Chiefs, and I was like, man, I need standing out.

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Speaker 1: And this is where things start to kind of blur together,

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Speaker 1: because like man number ninety, Oh, that's a manuag bro

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah that makes sense. I wait, wait, wait, no, no no,

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Speaker 1: I'm went okay, wait who's ninety? I see it's Shack Lawson.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, Shack's playing pretty well. Then

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Speaker 1: I hear that the Texans have made a deal with

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins and which Shack is coming to Houston. I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: that is good stuff. Shortly after that deal was announced

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, not official, but just announce put out there, Hey,

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Speaker 1: the Texas are trade for Shack Lawson. I got a

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Speaker 1: text from my good buddy Sal Capacco. He's a SILAR

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Speaker 1: reporter for the Buffalo Bills, and he said, Hey, let

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Speaker 1: me know if you want to talk, I can give

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Speaker 1: you some good stuff on Shack Lawson. Absolutely, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to go to the source. Shacks been four years of Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: So I got Salon and I asked him one of

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Speaker 1: the Texans getting in Shack Lawson, super high energy guy.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna love having him like he's he fits into

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Speaker 1: any locker room. I think this is a guy that,

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Speaker 1: you know, people gravitate to him. He's got a great

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Speaker 1: fun personality, right, and I think that kind of was

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Speaker 1: his to his detriment a little bit early on in

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Speaker 1: this league. I think what happened with Shaq was, first

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Speaker 1: of all, he was drafted by Rex Ryan and Rex

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Speaker 1: saw this. You remember Rex's kid played at Clemson. He

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Speaker 1: was Shack's teammate. Okay, Rex saw a lot of Clemson play.

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Speaker 1: He loved him, he said in Rex wanted defensive guys

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Speaker 1: and he saw he was the acc player of the year.

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Speaker 1: But to be honest, he didn't fit Rex's defense. Rex

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00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: ran more of like a three to four hybrid, and

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Speaker 1: Shack had to come in and he had to play

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Speaker 1: outside linebacker. He not not necessarily not defensive end. But

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Speaker 1: the other thing that really hurt him was going to

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Speaker 1: a team that wasn't as buttoned up as a coach

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Speaker 1: like Rex Ryan. I don't know if Shack was quite

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Speaker 1: the professional he needed to be the first couple of

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Speaker 1: years in the league, if that makes sense, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think he needed a guy like Sean McDermott in

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Speaker 1: the Bills organization and coaching staff to kind of get

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Speaker 1: him into that mold, and he really did. He became that.

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Speaker 1: After his third year, the Bills declined the fifth year option.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of talk because he was an

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Speaker 1: ascending player. He started playing well, and I remember being

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Speaker 1: in the locker room and talking to him about it,

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Speaker 1: and he said, look, I'm gonna have to go out

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Speaker 1: and really play and earn my money, and hey, if

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Speaker 1: if they don't want to keep me, then I'll go

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Speaker 1: somewhere else, but I'm gonna try and show them that

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Speaker 1: I'm worth it. And then he actually had the most

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Speaker 1: sacks on the Bills his contract year his fourth year.

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Speaker 1: I really like how Shack turned out as a football player.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's lived up to the exact first

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Speaker 1: round potential, but I think going to Rex Ryan both

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Speaker 1: on and off the field, actually hurt him early on

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Speaker 1: in his career with Shack. You mentioned in three four

784
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: verses four three, and look, the lines on those two

785
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: defenses have blurred so much more in the last probably

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00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: decade than ever before. But there are some significant differences

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00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: at significant positions in the edge spot being one of those.

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Speaker 1: He went from a three to four in Buffalo, then

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Speaker 1: Sean brings in a four to three. Then he goes

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Speaker 1: to a little bit more of a three four kind

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Speaker 1: of hybrid. Look down in Miami. Now with love me

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Speaker 1: Smith here in Houston, the assumption is it'll be more

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Speaker 1: of a four three. Do you feel like that South

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00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: fits Shack a bit better to play that four three

795
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Speaker 1: defensive end spot as opposed to a stand up or

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Speaker 1: a three four outside linebacker. I do? I do? I

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00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: think Shack Lawson is a four three defensive end. He

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00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: is not a stand up linebacker. He doesn't need to

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Speaker 1: be uncoverage. He needs to have his hand on the

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Speaker 1: ground in a Russian quarterback. But you know what, he's

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Speaker 1: a good edge setter, John, He's actually really good edge defender.

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Speaker 1: And no more was this more evident than when the

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Speaker 1: Bills played the Ravens in the twenty nineteen season. Go

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Speaker 1: back and watch that game. Jack Lawson was amazing in

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Speaker 1: that game. He was really good. He did everything exactly

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Speaker 1: like you're supposed to against Lamar Jackson. I thought Shack

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00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: was maybe the best defender on the field that day

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Speaker 1: for the Buffalo Bills. And again that goes back to

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Speaker 1: coaching from Leslie Fraser, coaching from Sean McDermott. But he

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00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: had to be able to do that himself. So I

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Speaker 1: think Shack belongs in a four three. I think he

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Speaker 1: is an edge defender. He can get to the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna give you some sacks, but don't

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Speaker 1: be He's not gonna be a double digit sack guy.

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Speaker 1: Don't expect that. But he can win a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But where he really excels, I think is just being

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Speaker 1: an all around guy. He's as long as he's coached

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Speaker 1: right and as long as he's put in a position

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Speaker 1: to succeed, he'll be fine. Like me, Sal has an

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Speaker 1: up closed seat down on the sideline, not really a seat,

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Speaker 1: but standing room only if you will. He had that

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Speaker 1: opportunity to see Shack up close for a few years

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Speaker 1: and that was great stuff. I thought the part about

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Speaker 1: Rex Ryan, I think was a great one, and it

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Speaker 1: got me thinking about how players need that right environment

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Speaker 1: right out of the shoote. They need that hard coaching.

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Speaker 1: In some cases, guys are gonna need maybe I don't know,

828
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Speaker 1: a positive pat on the back either way. Shack Lawson

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Speaker 1: has kind of seen both sides of it with the Bills,

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Speaker 1: and then even more so with the Bills, he had

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Speaker 1: Rex Ryan to start than it's Sean McDermott, he had

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Speaker 1: Leslie Frazier sal pointed out. And now he's down here

833
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Speaker 1: with Lovey Smith and Bobby King coaching the defensive line,

834
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Speaker 1: and he's gonna have some guys that he's gonna need

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Speaker 1: to mentor that are gonna be some young guys. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna be some young guys added to this mix. To me,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that, especially in the defensive line.

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Speaker 1: They've made some additions, no doubt Shack, MALIEK. Collins, it's

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Speaker 1: a Taylor, but Ross blacklocks in year two, John Grenard

840
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: is in year two. Shack's gonna have a big influence

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Speaker 1: on those guys. And I can't wait. And I think

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Speaker 1: he's got a ton left and I think there's a

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00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: lot of untapped potential with Shack Lawson. I'm really excited

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Speaker 1: to see what he's able to bring. So I appreciate

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Speaker 1: Sal for joining me and giving us some food for

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Speaker 1: thought on Shack Lawson, one of the most recent additions

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Speaker 1: to your Houston Texans. Big thanks to Mark, to Sal,

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