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Speaker 1: Black Tech, Green Money, December episode twelve. I'm talking to

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Speaker 1: Courtney adela founder at the Main Choice, about how to

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Speaker 1: find a bag and consumer package goods and the real

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Speaker 1: deal with how hard you have to go, how many

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Speaker 1: how does you have to put in, and how hard

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Speaker 1: you have to work to really find success. Courtney has

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Speaker 1: found a ton of success and the beauty and wellness space,

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Speaker 1: so I wanted to know our operators of wellness and

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Speaker 1: beauty products, not all, but in general, are they going

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Speaker 1: as hard as she believes they need to to find

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Speaker 1: similar success? Um? Generally speaking, do I think they go

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Speaker 1: hard enough? I would, I would have to Unfortunately, I

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Speaker 1: would have to say no. I think for some reason,

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Speaker 1: people think that when you operate on an average level,

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Speaker 1: or if you're able to excel um by just giving

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Speaker 1: average I think something time, people think that's enough. But

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Speaker 1: in order to really scale something and take it to

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Speaker 1: the next level, it is going to require blood, sweat

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Speaker 1: and tears. That I've come to the conclusion most people

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Speaker 1: are not willing willing to do, you know, or they

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Speaker 1: think that giving normal or average is okay and it's not.

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Speaker 1: What are some of those mistakes that people cut corners

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Speaker 1: on that keep them from like, what are some of

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Speaker 1: the typical things you see some of the typical things, Uh,

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Speaker 1: just the initiative. You know, when I say you have

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Speaker 1: to layer things on, I mean you have to be

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Speaker 1: from a social perspective. You have to be you know,

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Speaker 1: you have to put yourself out there from a personal perspective,

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Speaker 1: run your personal social media as if it was a

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Speaker 1: business with strategy and timing and win and professionalism. And

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Speaker 1: then on the flip side, you have the business, you

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Speaker 1: have to do the exact same way. So there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of bells and whistles that goes along with it

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Speaker 1: that can be achieved, but you just can't corners in

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Speaker 1: regard to like the time, it's twenty four hours a day.

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Speaker 1: I have never since I've been in business. But they

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Speaker 1: do not disturb I'm out of the town email, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. I never have and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to respond to it or you know, I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: to it a little bit later. But it's it's just NonStop.

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Speaker 1: It's always it's continuous. I'm will Lucas, Mrs Black Tech,

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Speaker 1: Green Money. I'm gonna enter this. You to some of

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Speaker 1: the biggest names, some of the brightest minds and brilliant ideas.

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Speaker 1: If you're black and building or simply using tech to

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Speaker 1: secure your back, this podcast is for you. Tanya sam

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Speaker 1: is a tex Savery businesswoman and director of Partnerships. Had

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Speaker 1: tech Square Labs in Atlanta based technology started upub Invent

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Speaker 1: Your Capital Fund. She also started The Real Housewives of Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: She's got a new show out called Money Moves, where

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Speaker 1: she talks with people, celebrities and more are about how

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Speaker 1: they're building generational wealth as saying, you know what, You've

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Speaker 1: seen a lot of celebrities. You are celebrity, and you've

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Speaker 1: seen a lot of celebrities, You've hung out with them.

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Speaker 1: There are some celebrities who aren't really making any money.

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Speaker 1: Why is that? What's common among those who have the

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Speaker 1: profile but aren't seeing the financial reward? Oh? Man, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this happens so much will It's really quite incredible. And

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Speaker 1: we've all heard the stories right there, the richest of

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Speaker 1: the rich and they're broke overnight. Um, Now that I've

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Speaker 1: interviewed enough of those people, I can kind of break

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Speaker 1: it down for you. And I think I can say

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Speaker 1: this with some anecdotal evidence and confidence. A lot of

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Speaker 1: it is the people you have around you, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: not having trusted financial advisors, people who really know their stuff.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know about money and you don't know

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Speaker 1: how to make the correct moves, if you don't know

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Speaker 1: what a tax account, the c p A, your your

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Speaker 1: legal team does. Find people that you really trust, that

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Speaker 1: are experienced and sometimes it's not your homeboy, you know,

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Speaker 1: always look at it as you're building the Olympic team.

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Speaker 1: So find people that are way smarter than you and

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Speaker 1: that come with real personal references. I think that's one thing. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'll say another is spending too fast right like my

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Speaker 1: dad always used to talk about, you know, never cut

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Speaker 1: your coat from the cloth. You don't have like this

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Speaker 1: social media, Like it happens a lot, It happens a lot,

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Speaker 1: a lot, a lot, and you just you outspend yourself.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about this team thing because I

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Speaker 1: was actually gonna talk to you about team and like

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Speaker 1: what kind of people should be around you, and you

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Speaker 1: talked about you know, it doesn't need to be a

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Speaker 1: cousin Ray, Ray, who's you know managing he had an idea.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he took a financial class in college and now

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Speaker 1: he feels qualified to manage your bag. So for people

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Speaker 1: who there's people who really making money who listen to

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Speaker 1: it's hard. It's actually in our community. Sorry, well, like

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Speaker 1: because we always want to bring up are we want

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Speaker 1: to make money so that we can help bring up

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Speaker 1: fine line because I believe in that, right, you know.

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Speaker 1: by the manager. However, sometimes the people around you don't

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Speaker 1: if you go in for for people who are making money,

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Speaker 1: can you describe who they need on their team that's qualified, certified?

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Speaker 1: How do you vet those people. What kind of things

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Speaker 1: do you recommend and things that you've seen done. To

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Speaker 1: make sure that you've got the right people around. Look

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Speaker 1: to people who have more money than you, because the

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Speaker 1: next level up that you get to is a whole

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Speaker 1: different story. Right. You know, when I was working as

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Speaker 1: look past the facade. And this is the tough part.

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Speaker 1: So like you've got to do your research. You have

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Speaker 1: all of us. It's just a switch. Yeah, because I

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Speaker 1: you know. And so talk to me about what is

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Speaker 1: in from your perspective, the attitude that you should have

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Speaker 1: if you're trying to find your way through generational curses

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Speaker 1: of poverty and you know, whatever it is, how hard

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Speaker 1: should I be going? Because there is this notion that

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Speaker 1: you know, will take it easy, like you don't have

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Speaker 1: like I'm constantly stressed. I wonder, is that is that

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Speaker 1: that all the time, and it was very I felt

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Speaker 1: it's diverse amongst its black people, It's diverse amongst everybody

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Speaker 1: in there. And so I was like, Okay, let's just

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Speaker 1: like a black couple working in tech. We weren't just

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Speaker 1: these tokens. There was more of us out there, um,

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Speaker 1: and sort of show that not just in the black community.

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Speaker 1: It was really important to me to show it in

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Speaker 1: the black community, but also to the world. And it

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Speaker 1: was definitely a crazy ride, um, but it was one

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Speaker 1: of those things where you know, Paul was actually one

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Speaker 1: of the first people to be like, you got to

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Speaker 1: do this, and I was like, what, No, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how to read people like I'm gonna they're gonna

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Speaker 1: eat me up on show. And he was like nope, Yolo,

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Speaker 1: let's go. And I was like okay, and there I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so he's I think taught me so much about taking chances,

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Speaker 1: reporting your partner, um and you know, just one light

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Speaker 1: to live. We got to try all the shots, shoot them,

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Speaker 1: all of them. So do you hope that or have

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Speaker 1: you seen you know, feedback from people who have watched you,

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Speaker 1: guys that were inspired by your story, and you know,

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Speaker 1: like tell me how that I'll put that outcome best

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Speaker 1: thing ever? Best I mean from I would say the

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Speaker 1: first I was on it, three seasons, um, from even

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Speaker 1: now to this day, I'll get messages and what I

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Speaker 1: really I mean the thing that show is the show.

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Speaker 1: They don't show all the great stuff. You know, they

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Speaker 1: don't show how much you do in tech. You know,

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Speaker 1: they don't show the um ambition fund uh you know,

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Speaker 1: give investments that we did that I did and stuff.

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Speaker 1: But if people started to follow me and I would

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Speaker 1: get messages all the time. I live in Iowa. I'm

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Speaker 1: the only black woman working at a SAS company in

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Speaker 1: this company, and I'm so grateful for you to be

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Speaker 1: on the show because I see a piece of myself.

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Speaker 1: I would at messages from dad's who were like, I

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Speaker 1: watched this show now with my daughter and we're so

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Speaker 1: excited because now she sees on TV a black woman

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Speaker 1: who's in tech and it's cool. Yeah, And we just

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Speaker 1: don't have enough of that representation, Like tell me the show.

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Speaker 1: I mean when we look at our TV shows now

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Speaker 1: that people watch, it's blackish and it's a doctor, right,

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Speaker 1: and that resonates. I mean it was Bill caused me

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Speaker 1: when I was a kid. But like we're just you know,

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Speaker 1: black people out there grinding that aren't an entertainment and

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Speaker 1: for us, like that means a lot. Like someone came

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Speaker 1: up to me yesterday at Papados and said the same

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Speaker 1: thing with their kids, and like I cry. That means

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Speaker 1: a lot to me. That's beautiful as beautiful. Um. We

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Speaker 1: talked a little bit about your transition from being our

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Speaker 1: into you know, a businesswoman and you know you you

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Speaker 1: just subscribe, you know, tech savvy businesswoman. And when we

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Speaker 1: talk about like the nurses or people who just work jobs,

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Speaker 1: you know, not just in the medical field, but people

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Speaker 1: who could leverage technology. Because what I try to do

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Speaker 1: is just dismant with the idea that you have to

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Speaker 1: learn how to code in order to leverage technology. So

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Speaker 1: when you say not not that, you shouldn't have. If

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Speaker 1: you could do that, you should um. But when you

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Speaker 1: say tech savvy businesswoman, and I don't want to say

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Speaker 1: that you don't know how to I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you know how to code. But I like how it's

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Speaker 1: positioned as tech savvy because you're leveraging technology to do

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Speaker 1: what you do better to say something, So I love

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Speaker 1: this question. Will know. I love this question because I

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Speaker 1: often feel a lot of people message me. They'll say,

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Speaker 1: I want to get into tech, And for a long time,

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's been a huge barrier because in

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Speaker 1: order to be in technology, everyone thought they needed to code,

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Speaker 1: and I think that so they don't even start. They

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Speaker 1: don't even start. Everyone thought you, oh, if you want

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Speaker 1: to work at a tech company, you're you're already not qualified.

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Speaker 1: So I will I will caveat that by saying, learning

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Speaker 1: to code right now is easier than it's ever been.

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Speaker 1: There's free courses online from you DEMI to all sorts

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Speaker 1: of things. So I did that. I don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: tech savvy, I could probably and there's you know, but

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Speaker 1: I learned rudimentary coding, so at least have an idea

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Speaker 1: of how they thought. Part two. I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: when people are looking at getting into technology, I think

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Speaker 1: every business we're building right now is a tech company,

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Speaker 1: whether or not you're selling cupcakes on a website out

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Speaker 1: of your basement. If you were building a business right now,

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Speaker 1: you need to look at it like it is a

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Speaker 1: tech company, because that's just the way the world's going.

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Speaker 1: And like some of the most favorite, um some of

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Speaker 1: my favorite you know, technology evangelists and entrepreneurs that are

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Speaker 1: so successful. Like there's this quote that is just software

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Speaker 1: is eating the world, and I mean it's factual. It's

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Speaker 1: from the way we order our food to how we travel.

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Speaker 1: So what you were building now is a tech company.

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Speaker 1: And there's so many areas in which those tech companies

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Speaker 1: need people, whether it's marketing, operations, business development, sales. So

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Speaker 1: there's a way in for everyone. I mean, and if

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Speaker 1: it's if you're good. I look at do you ever

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Speaker 1: go to the mall and look at those people who

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Speaker 1: were like, hey, would you like to try this sample

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Speaker 1: can't walk away, and all of a sudden you have

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Speaker 1: this ridiculous I was like, you should be in sales.

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Speaker 1: Why are you here? So you just have to get

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Speaker 1: in where you can. And there is a place for everyone,

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Speaker 1: whether you're black, you're a woman, you're a nurse, you're

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Speaker 1: a mom, there's a place for everyone. You just have

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Speaker 1: to find your your getting. So tell me about this show,

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Speaker 1: Money Moves. I'm I'm give you the floor, So just

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Speaker 1: describe it for me and then tell us where we

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Speaker 1: can find it, where we can subscribe all that. Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, well I'm so excited. So Money Moves is

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Speaker 1: a subsidiary of Enwood Bank. And you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how many of your listeners know about Greenwood, but

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Speaker 1: um we Greenwood was founded by black and brown co

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Speaker 1: founders during the pandemic, and it is a digital online bank.

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Speaker 1: Really really something that we are truly truly passionate about because,

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Speaker 1: um you know, I think for many of us, we're

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Speaker 1: trying to bridge access and well gaps, the initiatives and

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Speaker 1: solutions that promote financial inclusion and wellness for all and

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Speaker 1: again create generational wealth in our communities. So Money Moves

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Speaker 1: as a podcast on there. It's a daily podcast. It's

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Speaker 1: in partnership with I Heart Media. It's available on all

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Speaker 1: I Heart radio apps and major streaming platforms. We promote

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Speaker 1: financial literacy and empowerment and the next generation of my

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Speaker 1: minority entrepreneurs. We have celebrity guest experts and and you

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Speaker 1: know everybody ranging from Pinky Cole to Kim Blackwell to

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Speaker 1: you know, job Rules on the next segments, um Rick

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Speaker 1: Ross like some really incredible, incredible people and they tell

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Speaker 1: their stories, some good, some bad. Um And we also

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Speaker 1: try to have like I'm really big on not just

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Speaker 1: woo woo ra ra I did it. I'm here follow

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Speaker 1: me sort of things like it's really important to me

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Speaker 1: to give people actual hands on financial tips, expertise and

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Speaker 1: ways to do it. Um So, if you followed this season,

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Speaker 1: we're just launching a crypto school because I am super

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Speaker 1: how you can get into crypto, how you can make

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Speaker 1: great investments. Um So, I just employ you guys. Tune

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Speaker 1: in tune in, It's a really great time. Black Tech

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Speaker 1: Green Money is a production to Black the Afro Tech

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Speaker 1: It's produced by Morgan Dubond and me Lucas, with additional

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Speaker 1: production support by Love Beach and Marissa Lewis. Special thank

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Speaker 1: you to Michael Davis. Jermaine Hall is the car savon

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