1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Welcome it, everybody to the Friday edition of The Clay 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Travis en Buck Sexton Show. I am in a great 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: mood today, Clay, because I am finally home after almost 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: two and a half weeks of travel. Saw Ginger Spice 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: by the front door. It's not that she's the most important, 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: it's just that she's the fastest on four legs. 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: You came off and gave me a big hello. 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: This morning, I saw my beautiful wife, Carrie, my adorable baby, 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: and I'm finally home, So yay for that. 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: Also, some really good news for the whole world. 11 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: The truce goes into effect between Israel and Hamas, so 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: that's great news. And President Trump deserved so much credit 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: on this, so much so that even some of his 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: adversaries and enemies. 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: Are saying, yeah, that is a pretty good one. Tells you. 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: I think all you need to know, But let me 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: tell you what else you need to know. For the 18 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: show today, we have Jason Miaris, the Attorney General of Virginia, 19 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: and he's going to talk about this other guy who 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: wants to be in a attorney general for the state 21 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: of Virginia who had some text messages released that were 22 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: not good talk about that. The Virginia race also getting 23 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: a lot of attention because of the debate. We are 24 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: going to take you right into this. Allison spam Berger 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: span Berger, whatever abig I said, Abigail didn't. 26 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: I I think you said Alison, but I think it's whatever. 27 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: I actually didn't mean to do that, but it's the same. 28 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: The point is nobody knows that Berger is her last name. 29 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: You got that part right, I got that part right. 30 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: The whole thing is, who are you voting for? Anas 31 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: the Democrats is a woman. What does she stand for? 32 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: Nobody really knows, and that's the whole game. Well, they 33 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: tried that on the debate stage and it didn't work 34 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: out well for her. One of the worst debate performances 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: I've seen in a well, very long time. Not quite 36 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: Joe Biden level debate performance, but pretty terrible. So we 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: will play some of the low light of that for 38 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: you and I am looking forward to it. Also, our 39 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: friend Jack Carr, former Navy seal, author of the Terminalist series, 40 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: and he's got the series on Amazon right now. Black Wolf. 41 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: It's awesome, it's doing great stuff. It's actually worth watching 42 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: everybody on Like a lot of stuff you see on 43 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: the streaming services, so we'll. 44 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 2: Talk to him. But Clay, oh my. Right after we 45 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: got off. 46 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: The show yesterday, the news came out that New York 47 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: State's Attorney General, Leticia James, has been indicted for mortgage fraud. 48 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: Here is what she has to say about this clip 49 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: thirteen hit it. 50 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: This is nothing more than a continuation of the President's 51 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 4: desperate weaponization of our justice system. He's forcing federal law 52 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 4: enforcement agencies to do his bidding all because I did 53 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 4: my job as a New York State attorney general. He's 54 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 4: charged as a baseless and the president's own public statements 55 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 4: make clear that his only goal is political retribution at 56 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 4: any cost. 57 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: Claire, I have a lot of thoughts on this. I'm 58 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: sure you will too. I want to start with this one. 59 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: The charges aren't baseless. I mean, you know, you could 60 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: say a lot about it. And I actually believe that 61 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: some of these laws, and specifically mortgage fraud, unless it's 62 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: systematic and intentional and overall large. 63 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: I mean, the mortgage fraud laws are need to be reformed. 64 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: I will say that, but that doesn't change the fact 65 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: that she's an attorney general put other people in prison 66 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: for mortgage fraud. Had no problem with it. Used statutes 67 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: in ways they never had been used before to try 68 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: to bankrupt Donald Trump. But let's just look at it 69 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: this way, Clay. She broke the law based on the allegations. 70 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: Unless the facts are in dispute here, which they don't seem. 71 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: To be, she broke the law. 72 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 3: Well, I would go back to the same thing I 73 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: said when James Comey was indicted. 74 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: This was a grand jury. 75 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: This was a grand jury in a northern Virginia I 76 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 3: believe Alexandria as well courtroom. So what I would ask 77 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: Letitia James if she were on the radio with us 78 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: right now we played that clip, is why did the 79 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: grand jury get it wrong? Because you can say, oh, 80 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: Trump is going after his political adversaries, but it requires 81 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 3: that a grand jury agreed that there is a legitimate 82 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 3: basis for these charges to be brought. And that is 83 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 3: not a grand jury of your or mine. Peers Buck, 84 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: this is not where I live in Nashville, Tennessee area. 85 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 3: This is not where you live in the Miami, Florida area. 86 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 3: This is among the best possible grand jury pools that 87 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: Leticia James could have. They probably voted as a group 88 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: seventy thirty Biden seventy thirty Kamala, and they are looking 89 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: at all this evidence and they are saying, we think 90 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: Letitia James broke the wall law. I will say this, 91 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: it's another one we got right. This is not a 92 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 3: very complicated case because everybody has to fill out these forms. 93 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: And if you are a lawyer and you are in 94 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: charge of enforcing the law in one of the biggest 95 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 3: states in the country, I think a lot of people 96 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 3: out there do not give you the benefit of the 97 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 3: doubt if there are parts of the mortgage application that 98 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: are wrong that are favorable to you. This is not 99 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: your average guy or gal out there who's running through 100 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 3: a mortgage form as fast as they can. When you 101 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 3: pass a bar exam and when you are charged with 102 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 3: enforcing the law for again, one of the biggest states 103 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: in the country, I think that you have a higher 104 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: standard of expecting to understand what you are filling out 105 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 3: when it comes to mortgages. And so I think that 106 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 3: she's in a tough spot. And of course this is 107 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: a delicious irony as it were, because she went after 108 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 3: Trump for alleged fraud when it came to the loan 109 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 3: proceedings that he was able to get relating to his 110 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 3: assets and the loans that he had repaid. And so 111 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 3: this is based on a property that she owns in 112 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 3: Virginia that evidently she has lied about what it's being 113 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 3: used for. 114 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, she said that she had two primary residences 115 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: and the word primary is a problem for her. 116 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 5: There. 117 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: Everybody knows what that means. You can't have two primary residences. 118 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: And Clay beyond that. So there's the facts of this 119 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: which are very straightforward. And I'm sorry, but if you're 120 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: the Attorney General of New York, to Clay's point, you 121 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: should understand the law really better than anybody and should 122 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: be held to a standard that you've held everyday Americans to. 123 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 1: It's a very straightforward question. Have people gone to prison 124 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: for mortgage fraud like this in New York State? With 125 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: Tiss James overseeing the prosecutorial offices that do this because 126 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: it's all federal, The. 127 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: Answer is yes. 128 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: So if somebody can go to prison for this, she 129 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: can go to prison for this. And people might say, oh, 130 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: that's harsh. Well, to that, I say, it is harsh, 131 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: But either the elites and that includes prosecutors, live under 132 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: the laws they use against us. Or we are in 133 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 1: a tyranny, my friends. The law either applies to everyone 134 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: or should apply to no one. And by the way, 135 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: here she is, this is cut fourteen ye, making that 136 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: very point, Clay play it. 137 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 4: The president of these United States is not above the law. 138 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 4: No matter how rich, powerful, or politically connected you are. 139 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 4: Everyone must play by the same rules. Please see him 140 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 4: for us. 141 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: She said, everyone has to played by the same rules. 142 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: Looks like she broke the rules according to this grand jury. 143 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: She certainly did, I mean, Clay. Also, if she didn't 144 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: do this, this wouldn't be where it is. This is 145 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: a very straightforward crime. This is in fact the crime 146 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: that they try to get the corrupt congressman in the 147 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: show the Wire on and they and they call it 148 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: at that time the quote headshot because you can go 149 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: away for years based on mortgage fraud. 150 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's facing up to thirty years in prison now again, which. 151 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: Is insane, Which is insane, And we can all, by 152 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: the way, we can all agree that's insane. But change 153 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: the laws, everybody. These some of these federal laws are absurd. 154 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: It should only be you know, multiple counts, accounts systemic, 155 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: essentially a Rico situation, like if you did this fifty times. Okay, yeah, 156 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: you should face maybe thirty years. I know she'll only 157 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: probably get if she's found guilty six months or something. 158 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: But again, James Comy, we're seeing a pattern here. Comy 159 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: sent Martha Stewart to prison for a little fib that 160 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: didn't matter. Comy told a little fib too. Guess what 161 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: more significantly too. I don't know how she remains the 162 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: New York Attorney General. If you are the chief law 163 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: enforcement officer of a state and you are facing felony charges, 164 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: I don't understand how you remain in that position. And 165 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: she's benefited because she's in a blue state. But there 166 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: have been disbarment proceedings brought against Trump related officials who 167 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: have law degrees for far less than felony mortgage charges. 168 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: So my question would be for everybody out there listening 169 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: on WR and all over the state of New York, 170 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: and this would be a question that I think Kathy 171 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: Hokle should have to answer. How can you have a chief. 172 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 3: Law enforcement officer of the State of New York who 173 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:33,599 Speaker 3: is under federal indictment for mortgage fraud executing the executing 174 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: the office of New York Attorney general, because look, Buck, 175 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: she's prosecuting people right now for the crime that she 176 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 3: has been indicted for in Virginia. That feels to me 177 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: to be untenable. I think she's going to have to 178 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 3: step down, And I'm surprised that more people aren't already 179 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 3: raising this as an issue, because again, when you are 180 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: the chief law enforcement official of a state and you 181 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 3: are facing felony charges, how in the world can you 182 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 3: be expected to be a fair and impartial ruler of 183 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: the law when you're prosecuting people for felony charges that 184 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: you yourself face. That seems like a tough putt to say. 185 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 3: It's a huge problem, a huge problem, and there's more 186 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 3: irony here. There's a lot of irony in this whole situation. 187 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: Remember she brought effectively mortgage fraud charges against now civilly, 188 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 3: but to bankrupt hundreds of millions of dollars worth of 189 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 3: this to bankrupt the Trump organization, even though the banks 190 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 3: involved them said it was great, we would do it again. 191 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: There was no problem here, what are you taught? And 192 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 3: her valuations for properties were absurd. I mean to say 193 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 3: that mar A Lago is worth sixteen million dollars or something. 194 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: This is truly bonkers. Nobody would ever say that. But 195 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: beyond that, Clay she's gonna I mentioned Clay Davis, who's 196 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 3: actually the guy, a different Clay, the guy from the 197 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 3: wire who is prosecuted for mortgage fraud. That's how they 198 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: get the politician and what he's he do. He appeals 199 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 3: to the jury on sort of purely emotional political grounds. 200 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: He really goes for jury nullification. Here is Leticia James. 201 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 3: This is just a quick one. This cut fifteen. She 202 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 3: told everybody she was going after Trump for political reasons. 203 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: Play it. 204 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 4: It's important that everyone understand that the days of Donald 205 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 4: Trump are coming to an end. 206 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: Prosecutors should not be saying things like that, Okay, correct, 207 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: especially when they're bringing active charges against somebody. She played 208 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: with fire and now she's seeing that can go both ways. 209 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: No doubt. 210 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: And again I would love team see if there's been 211 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 3: any questioning. Of course, there probably hasn't because the New 212 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 3: York media is mostly left wing. But I'm surprised there 213 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: hasn't been more discussion about how Letitia James can stay 214 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 3: in office given that she has felony charges against her. 215 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 3: I mean, judges would typically have to recuse themselves from 216 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 3: any sort of judicial proceeding if they were facing felony charges. 217 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 3: How can Leticia James stay in the office of New 218 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 3: York Ag. Now, the answer is politically, this might actually 219 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 3: be good for right because it elevates her profile and 220 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: in the left, if you're fighting Trump. I was laughing 221 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: when Trump said, hey, we should arrest JB. Pritzker that 222 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom has to be so mad. You know, Gavin Newsom's. 223 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: Like, why won't he say he has to arrest me? 224 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 3: You know, like Gavin Newsom is probably throwing his wine 225 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 3: glass against the wall when he saw the JB. Pritzker 226 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: and Brandon Johnson are getting threatened with arrest over ice 227 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: and not him. But in all honesty, I'm gonna you know, 228 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 3: I'll tweet this out, but I haven't seen anybody asking 229 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 3: that question. It feels like a no brainer that she 230 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: would have to immediately step down as New York Attorney General. 231 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 3: You can't prosecute cases that are similar to the ones 232 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 3: that you are facing from a fellow. 233 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: Here's here's where my guests claim I have to look 234 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: at the New York state laws about this. But my 235 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: guess is that like a judge recusing himself for herself, 236 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: there's some degree of it's like up to the person 237 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: unless they get maybe pressured from the legislature in New 238 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: York State that hey, look, you either can step aside 239 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: or will remove you. And I just think that she'll 240 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: be able to Again, I'm totally spitballing here, but my 241 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: sense is she will be able to rely on the 242 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: anti Trump lunacy of any Democrats. Of course, the New 243 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: York State Assembly is Democrat and the governor is a Democrat, 244 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: so there won't be pressure on her, I think, from 245 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: her own party in New. 246 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: York State to step aside. So unless there's clear. 247 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: You know, written out law that you must, which I 248 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: don't think there is, or we would have already heard 249 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: about it, she'll be able to ride this out in 250 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: office until the actual trial happens. That's my Do you 251 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: agree with that or you see that going a different way? 252 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: I don't. 253 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm working through in my head the legal 254 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 3: ethics morass, for lack of a better way to describe it, 255 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 3: on who lawyers can represent is enough to make your 256 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: eyeballs roll back into your head. The conflicts and the 257 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 3: withdrawals and the mandatory aspects of things. 258 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 2: Do you think she stays in office or not? 259 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 3: I think that she has to. I'm gonna send this 260 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 3: tweet out, but I think she has to step down. 261 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: I don't you will, well, I understand it, and again pull. 262 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: This is political versus legal, which is too different fronts. 263 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: Like we told, So that's what I mean. 264 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: There's probably a good faith Oh, you should recuse yourself 265 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: in the in the ethics, uh, you know the written 266 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: ethics about the Attorney Genteral for New York. But my 267 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: guess is it's not an automatic. And if it's not 268 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: an automatic, then it relies on pressure from other Democrats 269 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: who can I'm sure you know she could be fired 270 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: by the by the governor, she could be removed from office. 271 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure by the state legislature. There's processes in place 272 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: usually for things like that. Clay, I don't think they're 273 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: going to do that. I think they're gonna let her 274 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: fight this thing out and see how it goes with 275 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: a jury. 276 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: That's my guess. We'll see. 277 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: Look, and I'm gonna tee off here, so get ready 278 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 3: for popcorn if you want to see the reaction when 279 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 3: I'm about to post here. In addition to what we've 280 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: said obviously, but this may be one of the first 281 00:14:59,120 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 3: weeks in a long time. 282 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: Have you seen the videos? 283 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 3: I was in Tel Aviv where all of the hostage 284 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: protesters have been gathering for years now. The celebration in 285 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: the streets of Israel is extraordinary to see with the 286 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 3: twenty living hostages brought back, Ali producer Ali, and I 287 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 3: got to talk with a dad who's had a son 288 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 3: that I can't even imagine. For those of you who 289 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: are parents and grandparents, can you even comprehend what it 290 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: would be like to have Hamas holding your kids or 291 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: your grandkids hostage for the past two years, and God willing, 292 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: on Monday, those surviving hostages are finally going to be 293 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 3: brought back home. And that's due to the work of 294 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: President Trump. That's due to the work of a lot 295 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: of really good people Christians, Jews, people of good faith 296 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 3: all over the country. And we're so proud to be 297 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 3: a part of that. With the International Fellowship of Christians 298 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 3: and Jews. They do incredible work. They show the world 299 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 3: that Israel is not alone. The fellowship between Christians and 300 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 3: Jews is stronger in many ways than it ever has 301 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: been before. You can join that fellowship and the Flags 302 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 3: of Fellowship movement at IFCJ dot org. That is IFCJ 303 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: dot org. It's a phenomenal time. Thanks to President Trump, 304 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: thanks to Benjamin Nett and Yahoo and all of the 305 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 3: good Christians and Jews in the world out there standing 306 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: on the side of good. Join the side of good, 307 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 3: fight back against evil at IFCJ dot org. That's IFCJ 308 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 3: dot org. 309 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 6: Making America great again isn't just one man, It's many. 310 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 6: The Team forty seven podcast Sunday's at noon Eastern in 311 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 6: the Clay and Buck podcast feed, Fight It on the 312 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 6: iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. 313 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 3: Well, welcome back ed Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. If 314 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: you're wondering how they talked about Leticia James being indicted 315 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 3: by a federal grand jury for mortgage fraud. CNN's Casey 316 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 3: Hunt Cassie Hunt, I'm not sure how you pronounce it, Casey. 317 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 3: Is it Casey Casey? Casey Hunt said, this is no 318 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 3: big deal. Everybody commits mortgage fraud. This is I appreciate 319 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 3: her honesty. 320 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: Maybe you don't want to admit that. On the air, Casey, 321 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: here's cut sixteen. 322 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 3: Tis James. 323 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 7: And again we're still getting the details. But if it's 324 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 7: related to this mortgage issue, I mean, this is something 325 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 7: that everyone in America, or many people at least, if 326 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 7: you're lucky enough to be able to buy a house 327 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 7: in America, you deal with this right. The federal government 328 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 7: doesn't go after all of these people for doing this. 329 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 3: Is an amazing line. Everybody commits mortgage fraud. I love 330 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 3: that she threw in there. If you're lucky enough to 331 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 3: have a home, I. 332 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 2: Don't think so. 333 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: I mean, my mortgage is not that complicated. It was 334 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: very simple. 335 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: Well, there's a very clear box that you check that 336 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: says is this for your home to live in or 337 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: something else? And there's also all this stuff that says 338 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: make sure you read this and that you know that 339 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: you are basically signing an under oath document for all 340 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: sense and purposes. You can think an attorney general of 341 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: a major state would know anyway. Free speech is very 342 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: important to see on the show. 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So we 362 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: had that big news yesterday that we've been discussing on 363 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: the show Their Care, and that. 364 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 5: Is the reality of an indictment now not only of 365 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 5: James Comy, which we have discussed, but an indictment of 366 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 5: Letitia James. 367 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: These are people who weaponize the law, and these are 368 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: people who, assuming the facts that are at issue are accurate, 369 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: and I haven't heard anyone say they're not broke the 370 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: law themselves. 371 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 2: This is a very important principle. 372 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: If the people enforcing the law do not have to 373 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: obey the law, we are living in a tyranny and 374 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: it only gets worse. Okay, people who are the ones 375 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: with the power to separate you from your family, take 376 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: away your freedom, force you to live in a cell, 377 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: they better damn sure one be acting in good faith 378 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: with the application of law, and that includes the application 379 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: of mercy when applicable, which these individuals Comy and Letitia 380 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: James did not do in various various stages, in various ways. 381 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: And they themselves better be darn sure they're not violent, 382 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: law Clay. I think this couldn't be any more clear. 383 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: It is necessary. It is necessary for some of these 384 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: people who weaponize the law against Trump and people in 385 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: Trump's orbit to suffer the consequences of their actions when 386 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: it comes to the law. So that's one part of 387 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: this I think is very important. Then you have here 388 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris apparently reacting to the Letitia and James indictment. 389 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: This is eighteen play it look this, maybe it works before. 390 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 4: It gets better. 391 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 8: I mean, and boy, the way and We just tell 392 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 8: you how I was in Atlantic yesterday and said that, 393 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 8: and then today A learned that the attorney gentleman of 394 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 8: New York has got indicted, even though the prosecutor who 395 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 8: first looked at the case, school I'm told is a 396 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 8: very conservative Republican, says there was not enough evidence, and 397 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 8: then Trump puts in place. 398 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 2: To make the decision. 399 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 8: Intens Agenda. 400 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: Clay. 401 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: She either checked the boxes she wasn't supposed to and 402 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: didn't say anything about it and didn't change this and 403 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: got the preferential loan, or she didn't. 404 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: It's very straightforward. 405 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 3: Not only that, and this is very important because what 406 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: both Kamala Harris and Letitia James are taking advantage of 407 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 3: is most people don't understand how indictments occur. Trump and 408 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 3: and or his attorneys right the Eastern District. I believe 409 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 3: of Virginia Lindsay Halligan the Grand Jurian dights. So if 410 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 3: you don't like the fact that an indictment came down, 411 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 3: it's ultimately not the decision of Donald Trump or Lynzy 412 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 3: Halligan or anyone else, it's the Grand Jerry. And again 413 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 3: I come back to this, and this is where honest 414 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 3: media would follow up with all of these statements and say, 415 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 3: wait a minute, this is a deep blue jurisdiction. We 416 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: are already fighting uphill. This is not where I am 417 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 3: down on the Florida Panhandle, Buck, This is not Walton County, 418 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 3: South Walton County. 419 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: Beautiful place. 420 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 3: I feel very good about the chances that you would 421 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 3: get an indictment in the Panhandle of Florida against Letitia 422 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: James or against James Comey. This is not Williamson County, Tennessee, 423 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 3: where I live, which has a seventy thirty Republican bent, 424 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 3: where I would not be surprised. This is deep blue 425 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: Northern Virginia. They are not inclined to be in favor 426 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,239 Speaker 3: of Donald Trump. They are not inclined to be in 427 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: favor of Lindsay Halligan when it comes to either this 428 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 3: case or the James Comy case. So this is where 429 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 3: it gets hard, I think, for they're still trying to 430 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 3: argue it. Even James, I treat my body like an 431 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 3: amusement park. Jeffrey, Sorry, I treat my body like an 432 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 3: amusement park. On Zoom videos, Tubin said, I've got this cut. 433 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 3: This is another thing they're saying on CNN. So the 434 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 3: one chick, Casey Hunt was like, everybody commits mortgage fraud, 435 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 3: which is a very very funny take. Well, everybody commits 436 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,479 Speaker 3: mortgage fraud. Jeffrey Tubin, who never pointed out Trump facing 437 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 3: charges in four different jurisdictions as being a significant cross 438 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 3: the Rubicon moment, says, this is unbelievable. What has happened 439 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 3: cut twenty. I just don't know how I like Jeffrey 440 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: Tuban buck And notwithstanding the masturbation issues, I like Jeffrey Tuban. 441 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 3: He is actually a very talented writer. The People versus 442 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 3: OJ Simpson is one of the great true crime trial 443 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 3: I don't know. 444 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 2: If you like Jeffrey Tuban. 445 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: I think you respect some of his ability, but you 446 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: don't respect his lack of self control. 447 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: That is well said. But what I'm saying is he 448 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 3: is not an unintelligent lawyer. So I don't understand. You know, 449 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 3: Alan Dershowitz. You might disagree with Alan Dershowitz. He's been 450 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 3: on this program quite a lot. He is traditionally a 451 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 3: man of the left, but he stands on principle. Sometimes 452 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 3: that means he's defending Trump, and even in Martha's Vineyard, 453 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 3: that means they won't feed him. You see the videos 454 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 3: that went viral over the summer where I think it 455 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 3: was a Perogi stand WoT wouldn't feed him, wouldn't sell 456 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 3: him Perogi's I think it was. I bet who knows. 457 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 3: Maybe Alan Dershowitz's roommate also taught him about the defining 458 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 3: finer delicacies of Polish sausage. But here is Jeffrey Tubin 459 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 3: reacting and saying, this is just so utterly chilling cut twenty. 460 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 9: What is so chilling about this case is that ever 461 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 9: since Watergate, presidents have imposed on themselves the rule that 462 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 9: they do not interfere in criminal press executions, much less 463 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 9: demand them. 464 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 10: But here you have a demanded. 465 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 11: Prosecution and one that the career people in the Eastern 466 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 11: District of Virginia thought was an unworthy case. That's a 467 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 11: really chilling example of how the criminal justice system is 468 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 11: not supposed to work. 469 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 3: Okay, again, why would Jeffrey Tuban not say the grand 470 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: jury made this decision. I don't have any problem with 471 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 3: Trump saying I think to the first part is this 472 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 3: is just another example of lawyers being wrong. And there 473 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 3: are a lot of lawyers who are wrong about a 474 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 3: lot of cases. Trust me. Lindsay Holligan goes in there 475 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 3: and gets grand jury indictments against James Comy and against 476 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 3: by the way, James Kobe's brother in law in the office. 477 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 3: You think he might have had an impact in whether 478 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 3: there were charges being brought. And now she gets indictments 479 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 3: against Leticia James. It's actually a sign that she's doing 480 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 3: a good job. But again, the grand jury puts down 481 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 3: the indictments, not Trump or his. 482 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: I know, but you know, you're you're focusing Clay on 483 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: the process part of this, which as a lawyer, I understand. 484 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 2: What about the did she do it or not? Right? 485 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 2: No one's saying she didn't do this thing. Yeah, and 486 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: it's a very straightforward thing. 487 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 3: You know, we shold you on this program that she 488 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 3: was going to be indicted because I looked at this 489 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 3: evidence and I said, this is not complicated. I said 490 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 3: it on the show five months ago or whenever this broke, 491 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 3: I said, I think she's going to get indicted. 492 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: If Letitia James was caught driving one hundred and twenty 493 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: miles an hour in a thirty five okay and was 494 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: arrested for that, they can say, oh the blah blah, 495 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: you know it's Trump and the deep state is whatever 496 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: they want. Did she do the thing or not? Did 497 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: she break the law or not? And you're noticing, no 498 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: one is. All they're doing is saying prosecutors, other prosecutors 499 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: looked at this, and Trump is so bad and all 500 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: this other stuff. Did she do the thing that this 501 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: grand jury apparently thinks it's very possible she did do 502 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: and which is a very straightforward act. Did she lie 503 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: on this form to get a preferential loan. I've already 504 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: said I think that these laws are too harsh and absurd, 505 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: but this is what the law is. She used it 506 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: against Trump. She has to sleep in the bed that 507 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: she has made over and over here. You know, I 508 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: just no one's even trying to say she didn't do it. 509 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. That's a great point. 510 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 3: And again we told you the evidence suggests that she 511 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 3: did it, and this is not a very complicated case. 512 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 3: And she will get an opportunity to defend herself in 513 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 3: a court of law. And she's entitled to a presumption 514 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 3: of innocence like everybody else. 515 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 2: She's not entitled to remain the chief. 516 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 3: Law enforcement officer of the state of New York though, 517 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 3: and that is where this story, in my opinion, should go. 518 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: In addition to the question of whether she's guilty or innocence, 519 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: I'm telling you she's down. Step down. She's not going 520 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 3: to step down. It's not going to happen. No way, 521 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 3: no way, shouldn't be even buck. I'm telling you when 522 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 3: I said in the legal ethics courses that we all 523 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 3: had to pass, I'm telling you my eyes rolled back 524 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 3: into my head because I'm like, nobody loves to self 525 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 3: uh self, mythologize more than lawyers. 526 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 2: And what are our ethics and what is our duty 527 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: beund obligation? And what these people have no ethics? She 528 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 2: has no ethics. She run around saying I'm going to 529 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 2: ruin Donald Trump. She broke some of. 530 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: The most red bright, red line ethics of a prosecutor. 531 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: She did the show me the man, I'll show you 532 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: the crime. 533 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 2: She is the worst. 534 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 3: So I don't I don't disagree with all of that, 535 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 3: but I think there has to be something statutorily, from 536 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 3: a long time ago, maybe in New York law. I 537 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 3: don't understand how you tell there's fell charges. I just 538 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 3: think people are moron. I just think people are morons. 539 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 3: And nobody actually thinks the next step buck. They disbarred 540 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 3: Rudy Juliani in New York and I think in DC 541 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 3: for just asking questions in public forums, and they bankrupted him. 542 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 3: They took away his law license, you know. With Bill Clinton, 543 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 3: I mean, let's use a Democrat. They took away Bill 544 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 3: Clinton's law license in Arkansas over the impeachment proceedings and 545 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 3: lying under oath and all those things. 546 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: He also broke. He also very clearly broke the law. 547 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: Yes, agreed, but he wasn't the chief law enforcement officer 548 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 3: of Arkansas. So she actually has a higher standard as 549 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 3: a warrior of behavior and of ethics. Look, I'm just 550 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 3: saying if you were, I don't know if i'd say 551 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: that as an ag I think she does because from 552 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 3: the president of the United States I think of the 553 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 3: executive branch, and is also a lawyer himself. By the way, 554 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 3: we could debate that another time based on the fact 555 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 3: that she is the chief law enforcement officer from a 556 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 3: legal perspective. I'm not talking about from like a power 557 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 3: perspective like Pam Bondi as a lawyer, has ethical obligations 558 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 3: that Donald Trump, as a non lawyer, does not. Right 559 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 3: and so I look at this and say, this is 560 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 3: not a tough case. Again, Buck, just think about this. 561 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 3: If you were charged right now in the state of 562 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 3: New York with mortgage fraud or with lying on a 563 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 3: bank form, your immediate response is going to be, how 564 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 3: can I be prosecuted by someone who is also facing 565 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 3: these same felony charges. She's conflicted, and I think the 566 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 3: courts would look at this and say, yeah, this is 567 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 3: a mess. 568 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: But counselor, you're stating facts, not an evidence. 569 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 11: Here. 570 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: With New York state law, like, there is nothing to 571 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: make her step down other than it's really gross and 572 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: obviously she should and that is nowhere near enough to 573 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: make her step down. 574 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I have some faith still in the 575 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 3: legal community. I'm actually going to reach out to a 576 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 3: bunch of experts in the law and ethics and see 577 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 3: what their take is on this. But I will say 578 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 3: here's what I would agree with you on. Much as 579 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 3: we said, President Trump faced a two fronted war. There 580 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 3: was the legal attack against him, which was its own story, 581 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 3: and then there was the political attack against him, which 582 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 3: was its own story as well. Letitia James politically benefits 583 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: from these charges. I really do agree with you on that, 584 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 3: because New York is so crazy and anti Trump in 585 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 3: many parts. 586 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 2: So can I give you the process. 587 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: By the way, the process for removing the Attorney General 588 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: in New York is at the recommendation. I knew it 589 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: was going to be something like this, Right, every state 590 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: of Tennessee has its own version of this. 591 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: You know, it might be different, might be similar. 592 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: At the recommendation of the governor, a Democrat, and then 593 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: at the action of the state Senate, controlled by Democrats, 594 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: the ag can be removed. 595 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 2: That's it. 596 00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 3: I want every defense attorney out there, any of your 597 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 3: clients facing felony charges. I want to actually see how 598 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 3: this works in the court proceedings. How can Letitia James, 599 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 3: who is facing her own felony charges, prosecute your clients 600 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 3: who are facing their own felony charges. I actually think 601 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 3: that's a tough putt for the State of New York 602 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 3: to sink. Now, maybe she recuses from all criminal prosecutions, 603 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 3: but she's still making decisions. She is the chief law 604 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 3: enforcement officer of the State of New York. If they 605 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 3: indicted Pam Bondibuck, I don't think Pam Bondy would be 606 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 3: able to stay as the Attorney General of the United States. 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She has gotten more involved and has 651 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 3: been speaking out much more aggressively in the second Trump term. 652 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 3: This happened, she says, Eight Ukrainian children have been reunited 653 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 3: with their families after ongoing talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin. 654 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 3: This is the first, Lady cut thirty two just happened 655 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 3: a little bit ago. 656 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 10: Much has unfolded since President Putin received my letter last August. 657 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 10: He responded in writing, signaling a willingness to engage with 658 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 10: me directly and outlining details regarding the Ukrainian children residing 659 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 10: in Russia. And since then Resident Putin and I have 660 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 10: had an open channel of communication regarding the welfare of 661 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 10: these children. For the past three months, both sides have 662 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 10: participated in several back channel meetings and calls, all in 663 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 10: good faith. We have agreed to cooperate with each other 664 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 10: for the benefit of all people involved in this war. 665 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 10: My representative has been working directly with President Putin's team 666 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 10: to ensure the same unification of children with their families 667 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 10: between Russia and Ukraine. In fact, eight children have been 668 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 10: rejoined with their families during the past twenty four hours. 669 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 3: I mean, good for Milania Trump. Isn't it interesting all 670 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 3: of the things that Trump is doing and now Milania 671 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 3: as well, that are just basic, good, human, decent things 672 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 3: to do. They're stacking together a lot of good. We'll 673 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 3: talk about this and more in talking about bad. By 674 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 3: the way, how about Democrat Governor Abigail Spanburger candidate. 675 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 2: She was awful last night.