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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here

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Speaker 1: at Gillette Stadium. So it's turned the page day, and

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Speaker 1: I turned the page and I have a nightmare because

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Speaker 1: it's the Buffalo Bills. That used to be a game

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Speaker 1: where I would look forward to because it was gonna

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Speaker 1: be a win. But over the last four.

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Speaker 5: Years or so, yeah, I think the turntables of.

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Speaker 6: Tables have turned seven and one the.

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Speaker 1: Last time we had a chance to beat them, Cam

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Speaker 1: Newton fumbled, right, yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 6: The win game, O, the win game game.

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Speaker 1: Get about one right to the wind game?

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Speaker 6: They actually won that one.

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Speaker 4: They won that one?

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Speaker 1: We did we win that one?

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Speaker 4: That's the one and the one in seven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but this is going to be a tough one.

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Speaker 5: How did Cam almost do that?

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Speaker 8: I can have Dresser saying like like, I keep like, wow,

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Speaker 8: that game was close, and then I remember what the

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Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, that was the first game out

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Speaker 4: at some point the Jets are going to beat the

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Speaker 4: Patriots too, maybe it'll be the last game this year.

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Speaker 4: But like you don't think that that had anything to

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Speaker 4: do with the Patriots beating the Jets in Week three,

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Speaker 4: like the fact that they constant Riots. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 4: think that was the first one out of these seven

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Speaker 8: Yeah, what was the one that Jonathan Jones like had

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Speaker 8: Allen go out? Was that like nineteen I mean, I

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Speaker 4: I remember that being Yeah, it was in Buffalo. That's

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Speaker 4: that didn't happen, I think Matt Barkley had to come in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you might need something like that to happen there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 4: He not run as much this year, No twenty two carries.

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Speaker 5: She's shooting a commercial. I'm sorry, very famous.

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Speaker 4: In the Dream during the season.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we got we got the bills to

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Speaker 1: talk about you know, how, you know, how might the

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you question to the group. The Bills

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Speaker 5: Guys run into each other, you Knowell, Like.

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Speaker 4: I watched the Sunday Night game and it was weird

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Speaker 4: they had no points going to the fourth quarter. Now

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: It was just one of those games with very few possessions. Now,

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Speaker 4: do that. You know. I could see a scenario where

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Speaker 4: That's what they did last game. Yeah, and you had

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Speaker 1: It's just what you say.

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Speaker 4: But that's like, that's the reality of what we're doing.

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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to be like I know, I'm normally

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Speaker 1: Just now it's real.

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Speaker 4: I'm going with, yeah, that's all gone. Now, I gotta

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Speaker 4: be careful. Now, this is real. Yeah, this is not

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Speaker 4: what's gonna prevent us from from hosting the AFC Championship

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Speaker 4: Game anymore? Right, this is real. This is like, what's

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Speaker 4: gonna prevent you from having the number one overall pick?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean Josh Allen. It's it's just his uncanny

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Speaker 8: ability to make plays even when you've got him cornered.

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Speaker 8: And I just think that's something that is so tough

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Speaker 5: But then a whole other part of this story begins.

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Speaker 8: Where it's getting him and you know, holding coverage and

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Speaker 8: last year where he's you know, one foot halfway out

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Speaker 8: You know, it's just it's I mean, I say, I

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Speaker 8: but you just you have to respect how talented and

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Speaker 8: He's giving up a bunch of catches to him and

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Speaker 8: a couple of touchdowns. So, you know what, what do

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Speaker 1: O analysis of what's going on with them, and in

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Speaker 1: this particular scenario, Josh, you know, they claim that Allen

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Speaker 6: Well, they don't really have any secondary receiving threats right now.

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Speaker 6: Davis is an okay player, and they drafted Dalton Kinkaid

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Speaker 6: kind of what I'm writing about in game Plan. They've

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Speaker 6: like their offense too often comes down to just Alan

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Speaker 6: And when you get into the playoffs, like this isn't

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Speaker 6: about the Patriots, like this is about their Super Bowl aspirations,

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Speaker 6: and then when you get into the playoffs and you

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Speaker 6: have to win left handed, they can't. Right like, they

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Speaker 6: don't have a plan B. They are their Plan A

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Speaker 6: But if their Plan A has a bad day, then

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Speaker 6: they don't really have a Plan B. So they've been

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Speaker 6: trying to you know, run the ball a little bit

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Speaker 6: more traditionally, like from under center and not using Allen

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Speaker 6: as a runners as Paul pointed out, or a drafting

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Speaker 6: Kinkaid to try to get somebody else besides Stefon Diggs

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Speaker 6: that can you be a consistent threat. But every time

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Speaker 6: the Patriots play the Bills, I feel like the Bills

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Speaker 6: are a Tesla and the Patriots are like a model

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Speaker 6: t in terms of the offenses and the philosophy, even

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Speaker 6: like the Bills are are as you know, they are

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Speaker 6: one of the best modern franchises in the league, like

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Speaker 6: they are great kicker, Yeah, exactly, my point they are.

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Speaker 6: You know, their offense is like people like me that

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Speaker 6: to be played like nowadays. They're an aggressive, early down

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Speaker 6: passing offense. They have this cyborg playing quarterback. They have

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Speaker 6: play that way. We're gonna send different pressure looks at you,

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Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like something the Patriots defense has

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Speaker 4: Seventeen eighty four, twelve seventy and then the last one

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Speaker 4: So like it's easy to sit here and say that's

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Speaker 6: I also just think, like, you know, the Bills, they

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Speaker 4: That's what the Giants did a good job of making

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Speaker 4: I came out of the game Sunday Night with Buffalo

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Speaker 4: At thee and on time down. Yeah, now we can

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Speaker 4: His own look of that play yet that the first

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Speaker 1: Like that's mac.

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Speaker 6: Actually think that they they might not do anything to

440
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Speaker 6: keep bit close. But for Buffalo, like this reminds me,

441
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 6: like you like mentioned Fred, Like you know, the Patriots

442
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,160
Speaker 6: are other teams like get right games right right now,

443
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 6: this reminds me of like a take care of business

444
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 6: game for Buffalo, Like they Josh Allen's banged up a

445
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 6: little bit. He's got a shoulder injury. He's going to practice,

446
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 6: I think McDermott said, but he's going to be limited.

447
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 6: And they don't need to bring their A plus stuff

448
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:24,960
Speaker 6: to this game to beat the people.

449
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Speaker 1: Frankly, the last time that Buffalo played here, they didn't

450
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Speaker 1: have their foot on the gas the whole game.

451
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Speaker 6: That's sort of the type of game that I'm predicted.

452
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Speaker 4: A business like Thursday night road win right in the

453
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 4: first half and coasted in the second.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, and the Patriots used to do this

455
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 6: for twenty years. Right where we're you know, we're a

456
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 6: little banged up where you know, we have this you

457
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Speaker 6: know next week is a bigger game or something like that.

458
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 6: We're just gonna make underestimating the Patriots. No, it's just

459
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 6: like if the score, if the score, I just don't

460
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Speaker 6: anticipate that they're going to lose by thirty because I

461
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Speaker 6: don't think Buffalo is gonna come out. You know, Dallas

462
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 6: was motivated in that game after losing to the Cardinals,

463
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 6: and they destroyed the Patriots. I would say that the

464
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 6: Bills are more in the take care of business category

465
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 6: and this one.

466
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Speaker 4: The health of the Bill's defense I think will make

467
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 4: it difficult for them to blow them out, because that's

468
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 4: how they usually blow teams out, is when they get

469
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 4: their offense rolling, then that pass rush causes turnovers. But

470
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Speaker 4: everybody's missing from the Bill's defense. I mean, they're missing

471
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Speaker 4: like five starters, so the the pass rush seems to

472
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Speaker 4: be still intact health wise, you know, Lennon Floyd and

473
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 4: Epanessa and those guys Von Miller was pretty active in

474
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Speaker 4: that last drive the other night, even though he didn't

475
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Speaker 4: get any He didn't get any sacks, and I don't know,

476
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 4: it's hard to record pressures. It's hard to tell.

477
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Speaker 6: One.

478
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Speaker 4: Did he have one that especially he was, but he

479
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 4: was definitely flashing on that drive and I'm sure that bothered.

480
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Speaker 5: Thinking about him going into that mix with those guys.

481
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Speaker 4: Friday Milano's losses, he's out, day Kwon Jones's loss is

482
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Speaker 4: huge and middle and Trey White is level they had.

483
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Speaker 4: Who's the other one? Is it Dane Jackson? Who's the

484
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 4: other Who's the corner?

485
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 6: Dane Jackson?

486
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Speaker 4: Is that right? See the guy who missed the game?

487
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Speaker 6: I think so, because he was out there, Yeah, John

488
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 6: out there?

489
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so Jackson who was probably the third corner because

490
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 4: they had to play Elam who has been really bad.

491
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Speaker 4: He's the first round bust for them, Coyrier, Elom Christian

492
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 4: Benford has played pretty well. But you know, this is

493
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Speaker 4: like the old thing that Freddy always talks about. Everybody

494
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 4: has to slide up a notch, and you know he's

495
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Speaker 4: he's Benford's probably pretty good as a second banana, right,

496
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Speaker 4: But now you get no Trey White I like Taron

497
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 4: john I agree with Evan on Taron Johnson.

498
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Speaker 5: That's the guys made some place too, and the placement

499
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 5: of of what's his face.

500
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Speaker 4: But he's he's small and he's the guy who got

501
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Speaker 4: called for passing the finerance in the end zone. That's

502
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Speaker 4: what I would like, some vulnerability there in the middle.

503
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Speaker 6: Yeah, if you're looking at where the Patriots offense could

504
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 6: find some hay in this game, it's it's probably running

505
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 6: the run the ball, like those linebackers, Like the Bills

506
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 6: had Mulano and Edmunds for years and that was one

507
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 6: of the best linebacker duos in the league. This is

508
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 6: not that, Like they don't have those two guys anymore.

509
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 6: And both the guys that they're playing in there because

510
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 6: they play so much zone coverage, they're smaller, you know,

511
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 6: to play in space and coverage. So the Giants even

512
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 6: though it you know, didn't add up to I think

513
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 6: it was like three point nine a carry or something

514
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 6: like that, but Barkley had a few big runs well

515
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 6: and then drive that they.

516
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Speaker 4: Ended up you know, and this is another one at Dable,

517
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 4: like they the Giants probably should have won the game,

518
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 4: like that drive that Evan's talking about in the fourth

519
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 4: quarter was like nineteen yards thirty four yards. They get

520
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 4: effortlessly down the field. They had third down in like

521
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 4: this much. Here you go that much guys, and he run,

522
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 4: he throws the ball with with with Taylor. He goes

523
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 4: for a bigger play and they're in the red zone

524
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 4: and it's incut I'm thinking, well, okay, you took a

525
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 4: shot for a touchdown there, they're gonna go for him,

526
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 4: and he kicks the field goal to take the nine

527
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Speaker 4: to seven lead. I'm like, you got it. You had

528
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 4: them on the run. I mean, what are the odds

529
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 4: that they were going to come up with a stopped

530
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 4: there or on the run. I know they stopped them

531
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Speaker 4: in the goal line, and I think they stopped a

532
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 4: third and short earlier in the game, But at that

533
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 4: time in the game, I thought the Bills defense looked

534
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 4: vulnerable to the run and Barkley was sort of heating up.

535
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can run downhill on this Bills team. Like

536
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 6: they're smaller. Daikwon Jones is not healthy. The linebackers are

537
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 6: smaller and aren't the same talent level as the guys

538
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 6: that you used to have in there. And you know,

539
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 6: they play that overfront, and the Patriots have always pulled

540
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 6: a lot of guards against Buffalo and ran it down

541
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 6: down their throats, And I do think you can do

542
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 6: that now. Are they gonna be able to throw it

543
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 6: on the bills that they couldn't throw it on the

544
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 6: bills even when Brady was here, when McDermott once McDermott

545
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 6: got there. So it's been a little bit rough.

546
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Speaker 8: So I was gonna say Poyer in Hide it was

547
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 8: just kind of like mccordy and Chung, you know, just

548
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 8: a long term safety duo that knows what to do,

549
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 8: knows where everybody you're at. And I mean we've seen

550
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 8: you know how many picks they've had on Mac A

551
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 8: couple of least. I remember the playoff one to Agalore.

552
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 8: But those guys are really good too the back end.

553
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: In terms of the Patriots health, it's probably better to

554
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: talk about who's available rather than who's out, because it's

555
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: a long list and.

556
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 4: Expect that to get longer.

557
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, these lost did Pyton? Now the Patriots practice Tuesday?

558
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: A rare Tuesday? Did they issue what participation?

559
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 5: They'll get it to us on Wednesday.

560
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 4: They don't have to Wednesday Thursday, Friday, Okay, So.

561
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Speaker 5: We'll see today Evan. I mean, I'm curious when Evan

562
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 5: goes out, which of those veterans.

563
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, now McDermott's back, uh, Conn he was signed to

564
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: the practice square, but I would expect him to be

565
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: right if he's healthy.

566
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, if he's ready to go.

567
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 8: I mean I think everybody is that at this point,

568
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 8: like just surprised they couldn't find something else to to

569
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 8: swap in there, uh, you know for Verderian Low. So

570
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 8: I hope, I'm hopeful. I'm kind of hopeful, like just

571
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 8: to change it up a little bit.

572
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 4: Another item of minutia in terms of injuries, Bill indicated

573
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Speaker 4: today that Riley Reef's injury last week was something different

574
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 4: than what had originally sidelined him. So that's not good. Yeah.

575
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 6: I saw Riley Reef and limping around the locker room

576
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 6: yesterday with a sleeve on his right leg.

577
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 4: And so he opened the season on IR. He came

578
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 4: back and played okay at guard I thought, yeah, and

579
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 4: most most people thought like three quarters of a game,

580
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 4: and then he went back out and then he was

581
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 4: inactive last week. He was an early inactive, didn't make

582
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 4: the trip to Vegas, and Bill indicated today that it

583
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 4: was something different than it had originally sidelined him, So

584
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 4: that's not good.

585
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 6: And Tonio Mafi, yeah, for better or worse, Yeah, I

586
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 6: had Oliver.

587
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 4: Jeez, he had. Oliver is one of those interior defensive

588
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 4: linemen I really like. But you can run at him

589
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 4: a little bit, but he's he's.

590
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 6: Good, like already teaching Tonio Mafi how to pick up

591
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 6: a stunt, like please just like get get like scars

592
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 6: coming here this weekend, right, like can we just get

593
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 6: them to stop by for like a couple hours and

594
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 6: just be like this is what you do, okay, Like

595
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 6: this is what you do when they do this.

596
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Speaker 8: It's funny because like when you I mean, I don't

597
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 8: know what the exact measurements are, but like mind use

598
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 8: similar squarish body type. But he's got some foot movement skills.

599
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 8: Like I just feel like Mafi is so heavy, so

600
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 8: heavy footage.

601
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 6: I think it's recognition on the stunts, Like I just

602
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 6: don't think he sees him coming, and like I I

603
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 6: that's what frustrates me about it because like to me,

604
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 6: like you should be able to coach him up, like

605
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 6: it's I don't think that it's like he is too

606
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 6: slow to like, you know, foot speed wise to react

607
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 6: to it. I just don't like he's just his eyes

608
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 6: are in the wrong places and he doesn't see it coming.

609
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 6: And it's like, come on, like this is going on

610
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 6: and now teams are are just doing it on purpose

611
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 6: just to mess with him, right Like they just they're

612
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 6: doing it over and over and over again and making

613
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 6: him do it and until he.

614
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 4: Picks one up, he's going to keep seeing him.

615
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, as Evan reported yesterday, jack Jones returned to the

616
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: practice field. Is he is he available right away? I

617
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: know that, you know, they have to make a decision

618
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: by Saturday, by three weeks, but he could play, he

619
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: could play something.

620
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, they could activate on Saturday.

621
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

622
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 8: I think it'd be a nice little boost for him,

623
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Speaker 8: just because it seems like Jonathan Jones is really he's hurt.

624
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: He's hurt.

625
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 5: I mean, he's fighting through things right now. I don't

626
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 5: know when he is.

627
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: Going to be healthy.

628
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 5: And it's just tough.

629
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: It's tough.

630
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 8: I mean, maybe jac Jackson is starting to get a

631
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 8: little bit more situated, I guess, but I don't know.

632
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 8: He kind of feels like he is what he is,

633
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 8: and yeah, I thought.

634
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 6: Mike Pelgrino had some interesting answers about j C yesterday

635
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 6: and he said to me that if jac makes a

636
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 6: mistake that you see on the tape, it's my fault,

637
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 6: like Pelgrino's fault. And he's like, you know that, Like

638
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 6: he's making some mental errors right now, and it's because

639
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 6: we're not. You know, we got to coach him better,

640
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 6: Like we got to coach him up on some of

641
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 6: the things that he's making mistakes on. I thought in

642
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 6: terms of like actual coverage, Jac was really good in

643
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 6: that game against Vegas. I mean, they took a couple

644
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 6: of shots against him, and he was blanketing the guys.

645
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 6: So I think a lot of the mental stuff the

646
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 6: coaches are kind of taking responsibility for that, So hopefully

647
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 6: that will eventually get better.

648
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 5: Do you remember him going up against Digs at all?

649
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: And he haven't? Oh it was horrible, Yeah, oh yeah,

650
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 4: the Monday night game when I was in a coma,

651
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 4: when I couldn't serious. It's the only it's literally the

652
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: only game I've ever missed for illness in my life.

653
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 4: That game was just attract me. That was the infamous

654
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 4: Lewis Riddick. They think they have a plan for Josh Allen.

655
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 4: I think.

656
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 6: I think Diggs had three touchdowns on him in that game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jesus, I didn't even realize bringing that up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And then twenty one in Buffalo Jason Off game No.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 6: In the regular season, I think j C had an interception,

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Speaker 6: but Diggs had a big touch. You know, it was

663
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Speaker 6: like kind of like a you know, two Haymaker type situation.

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Speaker 4: Is never it's one of the rare one guy on

665
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Speaker 4: the other team never beats the Patriots.

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Speaker 6: He always has been wound. He has six touchdowns in

667
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Speaker 6: six games, gets the They can't stop him as a bill.

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Speaker 4: I mean, not counting what he did against.

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Speaker 6: He's been there tonight, kid like probably like more so,

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Speaker 6: I would say even than Tyreek Hill and ways like

671
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Speaker 6: at least they've in some games against Tyreek Hill, they've

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Speaker 6: like kind of solved that that problem with Digs.

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Speaker 4: They he averages about ninety yards. It's it's a game.

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Speaker 8: It's not the same as Brady and Edelman, but it's

675
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Speaker 8: just like how is he open on third and eight?

676
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Speaker 4: Like how are you not covering him? You know, like

677
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Speaker 4: they just.

678
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Speaker 5: Somehow are able to execute plays when like.

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Speaker 6: It's going to digs.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna go to digs, and it goes to digs,

681
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Speaker 5: and there's just you're.

682
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Speaker 4: Powerless to stop it.

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Speaker 1: That's the key. That's what a top flight receiver can do.

684
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Speaker 1: And that's why there's such big difference makers they get

685
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Speaker 1: open even when you try to stop him.

686
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Speaker 6: They it's really hard to bracket him because he's such good,

687
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Speaker 6: so good at running vertical routes, and like the problems

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Speaker 6: with brackets. It's like, all right, you got him if

689
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Speaker 6: he goes inside, I got him if he goes outside,

690
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Speaker 6: But who got him if he goes deep? Right, Like

691
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Speaker 6: that's like the always the issue. So you can't bracket

692
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Speaker 6: him because he's so good at going deep. But then

693
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Speaker 6: if you just put one guy on him, even if

694
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Speaker 6: he has safety help over the top, he's so good underneath,

695
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Speaker 6: so that it's just like you know, what do you

696
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Speaker 6: really do? You know, take him out it's.

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Speaker 5: A high low and inside you up four guys.

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Speaker 6: On there we go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have to.

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Speaker 5: Be fast and fast, Yeah, maybe physical too, Yeah, pretty

701
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Speaker 5: strong all right?

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Speaker 1: Eight five five PATS five hundred is the ACE Ticket

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Speaker 1: hot Line web radio at Patriots dot com as the

704
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Speaker 1: email just something that caught my eye this morning. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to digress too much, but Caleb Williams says,

708
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Speaker 1: whoever he gets drafted by he wants a piece of

709
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Speaker 1: the team. What does he come off?

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Speaker 5: Okay, so do I where do you come off?

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Speaker 6: Well that's also illegal, you can't.

712
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, but like what, like I'm a little worried

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Speaker 1: about this guy.

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Speaker 6: I mean too, yeah, I'm getting there as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Usually I poo poo you on side. I don't on this. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, the whole ni L thing, and now this, yeah,

718
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Speaker 4: us worth the hassle.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny.

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Speaker 5: I was thinking that same thing this morning, and I

721
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Speaker 5: was like, oh, maybe I should bring that up on

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Speaker 5: the show.

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Speaker 4: And then I was just imagining you.

724
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Speaker 8: Guys like, oh, you don't want him now because he's

725
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Speaker 8: always a little bit too.

726
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Speaker 5: Like everybody's the same way of being like, yeah, that's

727
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Speaker 5: kind of weird.

728
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Speaker 4: I worry if I worry about how much he cares

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Speaker 4: about football. Does he cared more about this stuff than

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Speaker 4: anything else?

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Speaker 1: That's all?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think you can play. Yeah, I mean

733
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Speaker 4: I don't care about the three. I mean, he had

734
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Speaker 4: a terrible game the other night.

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Speaker 5: Why would you put that out I mean, do you

736
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Speaker 5: think it was put out there or is that kind

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Speaker 5: of I don't know that it.

738
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Speaker 4: Did originate from Pro Football Talk, right, so it's in

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Speaker 4: question you.

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Speaker 1: Can all right, I just thought i'd throw that out there.

741
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Speaker 6: Little I'm I'm slowly starting to be a Drake May guy.

742
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Speaker 6: Like I'm already a Drake May guy as the number

743
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Speaker 6: two quarterback.

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Speaker 4: And I Williams, I need, I need to get you

745
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Speaker 4: haven't dealt it haven't come out to like April, He's

746
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Speaker 4: he's screwed d.

747
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Speaker 6: He's he's just cool, you know, like he's got that

748
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Speaker 6: like Herbert Burrough just like like that cool swagginess to him.

749
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Speaker 6: And I don't think that he's like a diva like

750
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Speaker 6: Caleb Williams, like six four six five.

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Speaker 1: Like that to him.

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Speaker 4: I also kind of like the guys that are dominant

753
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Speaker 4: with less traditional programs then you know, like the knack

754
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Speaker 4: of you know, but like he lifts those around him.

755
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Speaker 4: Like North Carolina's is a good team. Okay, I'm not

756
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Speaker 4: telling you this is you know, Vanderbilt, but they're they're

757
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Speaker 4: a good team. But they're not a blue blood like

758
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Speaker 4: like in like they are in basketball, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I think Oklahoma USC for Caleb Williams. There's a lot

760
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Speaker 4: of NFL players that that is that. I don't know

761
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Speaker 4: if they'll have as many from North Carolina. They've had

762
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Speaker 4: some good skill guys in recent days North Carolina receivers.

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Speaker 4: Where Hitchcock from, Yeah, he was n C State.

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Speaker 5: I believe like those guys, Javonte Williams was that one.

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Speaker 4: I think Javonte Williams just won. Michael Carter the pass Cats.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, program going one good program.

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Speaker 4: Well the well, you know, Matt Brown's a good coach.

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Speaker 6: They're very good at U recruiting. Like those spots though,

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Speaker 6: like they're like the skill positions quarterback, their line play

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Speaker 6: is terrible.

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Speaker 8: Do you guys put a lot of stock into Like

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Speaker 8: I'd never draft a fill in the blank position from

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Speaker 8: fill in the blank school.

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Speaker 4: No, But I do think there's some validity to some

775
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Speaker 4: of it. Yeah, like the Ohio State quarterback then you

776
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Speaker 4: know that's.

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Speaker 6: The only one because their offense is like really unique

778
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Speaker 6: to Ohio State, and a lot of those quarterbacks fail

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Speaker 6: because like they have very weird kind of details in

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Speaker 6: that offense that are you know, drop backs, like how

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Speaker 6: they like their quarterbacks to drop back and progressions and

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Speaker 6: things like that are all like backwards, so like.

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Speaker 8: Going back aways though, like you know, even when it's historical,

784
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Speaker 8: and you know, I just am always like, well, are

785
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Speaker 8: the systems kind of consistent through you know, like twenty

786
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Speaker 8: years of you know, I would never draft whatever from it.

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Speaker 4: I do fall into the I like to draft x

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Speaker 4: from programs that have success with that, like you know,

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Speaker 4: the old Penn State linebacker thing. You know, offensive lineman

790
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Speaker 4: from Wisconsin or even Boston College has had a lot

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Speaker 4: of good NFL offensive lineman over the years.

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Speaker 6: They have another one this year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I do fall into that, whereas the programs

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Speaker 4: that know how to Wisconsin sort of create yeah, you know,

795
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Speaker 4: certain spots still kind of the SEC though, Oh god,

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Speaker 4: yeah lineman from SEC.

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Speaker 1: All right, eight five five, Pats five hundred. Let's go

798
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Speaker 1: to the phones, get people involved. Matthews in New Mexico.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Matthew?

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Speaker 11: See you guys.

801
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Speaker 12: How's it going.

802
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Speaker 6: Right now?

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Speaker 11: It's just like a hard place.

804
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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 11: I don't know how old Evan is, but I'm twenty seven, and.

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00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 12: Like my memory of watching the Patriots goes to like

807
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 12: the two thousand and two season, and you know, I

808
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 12: love Bill, like I want Bill to be the coach,

809
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 12: and I want him to finish and I want him

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Speaker 12: to get the record and everything.

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Speaker 11: But if you're Robert Kraft and like, let's say the

812
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Speaker 11: season goes, you know, like we have the fourth six

813
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Speaker 11: or let's just say, you know, for right.

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Speaker 3: Now, what does Bill like?

815
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Speaker 12: What does Bill have to.

816
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Speaker 11: Do to earn like the trust and like his plan

817
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 11: or is it literally just too far gone, like he's

818
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 11: lost the locker room, like these guys seem like they

819
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 11: don't want to play for him, and like DeVante Parker,

820
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Speaker 11: And yeah, that's why I guess that's my question is

821
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Speaker 11: like what.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question. Do you know if they

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Speaker 1: have that fourth pick and let's say they're in line

824
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Speaker 1: to get a top quarterback that they really like, what

825
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Speaker 1: Bill has to do? I think you see some control.

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Speaker 1: I think on the person else.

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Speaker 6: Side terrified of him making that pick.

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Speaker 1: Terrified, but he that's my point, he wouldn't be making

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Speaker 1: the pick.

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Speaker 4: What are you more terrified of him making the pick

831
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Speaker 4: or him coaching the player that he picks.

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Speaker 6: Both, especially because it's it should be an offensive player,

833
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Speaker 6: and him.

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Speaker 4: Him picking the quarterback or coaching the quarterback make it

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Speaker 4: more specific.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, he didn't do such a bad job,

837
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Speaker 1: you know, coaching Tom Brady.

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Speaker 4: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm serious, Right, it was a young guy.

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Speaker 6: Who I just think that guy's gone, like in terms

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00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 6: of Bell, Like, I just think that that coach is gone.

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Speaker 6: And I also like, if you're drafting one of these

843
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 6: young quarterbacks now, like you have to these guys are

844
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 6: different cats, Like we see. We just talked about it

845
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 6: with Caleb Williams and like if you're not, like, it's

846
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 6: just a different thing, like he rode Brady like you,

847
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Speaker 6: I just don't think you can do that with today's athlete.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 4: In retrospect, I kind of think that I don't know,

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Speaker 4: maybe Brady deserves a little more credit for his development

851
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 4: than we gave him at the time.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Brady is Brady, but I mean even

853
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: Brady says, no, he helped me.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think he's the best coach who's ever

855
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 4: done it. I'm sure he helped him.

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Speaker 8: Right, It's almost like you'd like him in a consultant

857
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 8: role just to like provide his depth of knowledge of

858
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 8: the game, you know, but on a day to day

859
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Speaker 8: kind of basis of handling the person and figuring out

860
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Speaker 8: what buttons to push.

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Speaker 4: It's hard.

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Speaker 8: I mean I watched a little Mike McDaniel micd up

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Speaker 8: on the sidelines and like, as much.

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Speaker 1: As he's that was wild.

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Speaker 5: But man, it's like talk about just an absolute polar

866
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Speaker 5: opposite human being god than Bill Belichick, And I mean,

867
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 5: like there's more than one ways to coach a football team.

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Speaker 4: But it's just.

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Speaker 1: Clearing when in the middle of the game and he

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Speaker 1: goes up to one of the linesmen, you know, the

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Speaker 1: chain gangs, like I almost wore that vest today and

872
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: he's got the red vest.

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Speaker 5: It sounds on the sidelight, like what are you doing

874
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 5: cracking jokes in the middle of the game.

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Speaker 8: Well, he met the reps and he's like, good, firm

876
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 8: handshake and eye contact from.

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Speaker 1: Both of you.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: Like he's just such a.

880
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: You're giving me respect. That's why you guys are great.

881
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 6: Like I know, it's it's I know, I like it.

882
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 4: Do you think it's real? Do you think it's authentic?

883
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 8: I kind of do, Like I mean, I mean, I

884
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 8: was gonna bring up Dan Campbell a different way, but

885
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 8: I don't know. I've seen enough of it now that

886
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 8: it just seems like this is who he is constantly.

887
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: I think it is. I think it's authentic.

888
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 4: I think you're probably right, and I do find it

889
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 4: refreshing because I thought you made a good point just now,

890
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 4: just about there's a lot of different ways to have

891
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 4: success coaching. You don't have to, like, you know, sleep

892
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 4: in your office for you know, eighteen hours in every day.

893
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 4: But I just wonder sometimes with those guys, and I

894
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 4: think if you're true to yourself, I think the players.

895
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 5: They can tell that.

896
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 4: They figure out if you're trying to be something you're not.

897
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 4: I think that's been a problem for the Belichick coaching tree.

898
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: It was certainly a problem with McDaniels when he went

899
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: to Denver. You know, he tried to be Bill and

900
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: right down to the twirling of the whistle in the hoodie.

901
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 4: And that was a big thing for Maddy p and Detroit.

902
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: Right.

903
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 4: You know, he's like chastising the media.

904
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 8: And I just I think what stands out to me

905
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 8: is he just doesn't take himself that seriously. And I

906
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 8: feel like everyone in this place takes.

907
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 5: Themselves very seriously, and you better take them seriously too.

908
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 8: And that's how it's going to be at all times,

909
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 8: you know, And it's just it's kind of disarming when

910
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 8: you see an NFL coach that's like that, but then

911
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 8: is also respected because he's pushing the game forward offensively.

912
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: Now he's becoming as they've gotten better, he's becoming more

913
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: and more loose. So I think I think he's he

914
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: feels more free to be himself. But I think this

915
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: is who he is. If they were losing, I think

916
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: he'd be a little bit more reserved, only because you know,

917
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: I better watch myself.

918
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I agree, I agree, But he's he's a character.

919
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 5: See him next week.

920
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. I like I'm not one of

921
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: these people that, oh he's you know, that's not how

922
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: I head coach would be.

923
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 5: No, I listen, how do you feel about Miami's chances

924
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 5: right now overall, like in the in the playoffs?

925
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 4: Like you know what I mean?

926
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 5: How would you kind of?

927
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 9: Hell?

928
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're I mean, obviously every team deals

929
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 4: with that to a huge extent. But obviously the history

930
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: of their quarterback would worry me. Sure, but that's a

931
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 4: team that I think that the seating is going to

932
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 4: be huge for it if they play, If they play

933
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 4: in Miami. I don't think you're slowing that team.

934
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 8: That's exactly the point I was going to with there,

935
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 8: just you know, with a reasonable they gotta go to

936
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 8: Hello in January though, or now even last year they

937
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 8: they went up to Buffalo in that playoff game and

938
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 8: they lost a shootout with Skyler Thompson.

939
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 4: So that's a I mean, that's a pretty good offense.

940
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Allen, Wisconsin. What's up, al?

941
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 13: Hey, how you guys doing?

942
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: Okay?

943
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 13: Hey, before I make my point, right, are you giving

944
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 13: then hazard pay for having to rewatch these games over

945
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 13: and over again?

946
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: Oh? He loves it, he does.

947
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 6: Those are two fair points.

948
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 13: Now, But yeah, my my main point was about Bill

949
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 13: and whether he would be let go during the season,

950
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 13: And I got to say, like, as a fan, I

951
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 13: don't really care if he's let go during the season

952
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 13: or not. But what would really help me out is

953
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 13: just a sense from ownership of where we're going in

954
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 13: the future, Like if he's not going to be the coach,

955
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 13: just let us know, Hey, we're playing this out and

956
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 13: then we're moving on. Because as long as there's not that,

957
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 13: there's always going to kind of be that sinking feeling that, yeah, oh,

958
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 13: we might just go forward with this.

959
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: No, I hear yeah, I in terms of wanting to know,

960
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: but what team has ever announced that going to be

961
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: getting rid of a coach before the day that they

962
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: actually do it.

963
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 4: They are completely late.

964
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 5: You know, it's just it's nothing. They say, he's gonna

965
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 5: have any weight at all.

966
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: Right, he can't do that, you know. But I hear you.

967
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: I mean, we're all anxious, but I hear you know, yeah.

968
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 5: You just got to watch the games and see, you

969
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 5: know what happens. I mean, the previous caller, what could

970
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 5: he do?

971
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean, win games?

972
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 5: You win games this year.

973
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 8: I don't think it comes down to what can he

974
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 8: do in the draft, Like by the time we get

975
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 8: to that point, a decision already.

976
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: But even Teddy Bruski, who you probably won't find a

977
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: bigger fan of Bill Belichick, what does he hope for

978
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick? He hopes that he turns it around,

979
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: wins some games, and then walks away.

980
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I mean it would be it would

981
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 8: be a good way to go out if if it

982
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 8: does that, he pulls out a couple upsets games that

983
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 8: we haven't seen in the last couple of years, you know,

984
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 8: so you know, maybe you pull something out of your

985
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 8: butt down in Miami and you knock off the Dolphins

986
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 8: and you hold him a certain amount of points and

987
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 8: you know you're able to squeak one out and you know,

988
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 8: like those we're not going to the playoffs, but I

989
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 8: think there are still some things that you can at

990
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 8: least try to end it on a high note.

991
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 4: So if you had, if you were going to split

992
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 4: these two games, Buffalo Miami.

993
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 5: This one for I'd say they get this one and

994
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 5: they no, which one would.

995
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 4: You rather have?

996
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: Rather have Buffalo Buffalo?

997
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Buffalo.

998
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 4: I would take the Miami I mean in Miami shutting

999
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 4: down that.

1000
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,479
Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's a better win. But I think

1001
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: I just want to beat Buffalo. They kick and I

1002
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: hate I hate both teams, and I don't want to

1003
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: lose to the Jets at home. We got to win

1004
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: that game.

1005
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 4: That'd be the one you pick out of the three.

1006
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm with friend, I mean really, yeah, I mean they.

1007
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 4: Could be one and much I would much rather upset,

1008
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 4: Like I don't look at it.

1009
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 6: Well because I like, I don't winning games against Buffalo

1010
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 6: Miami to one end.

1011
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 4: Right, like to one end, I keep freak going right perfectly.

1012
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: Let's be sixteen in a row. You don't want to

1013
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: break the streak.

1014
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 6: You don't want to break the streak.

1015
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 5: But I think even if they if they were like

1016
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 5: one and fifteen going into that last Jets game, it's like.

1017
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: Juice, like, let's go, and what does he do to them? Like,

1018
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: let's just say that they continue winning and like they're

1019
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: kind of you.

1020
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 4: Know, Rogers on this like this whole new thing with

1021
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 4: the latrosh surgery, you know, but he thinks he's going

1022
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 4: to have a chance.

1023
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: Al's gone. But let's just say I don't.

1024
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 4: Know about that game. I mean in January.

1025
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: Let's just genuine let's just say they're fighting for the

1026
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: life and we still beat.

1027
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 5: Oh and if you killed the Jets, like you only

1028
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 5: win two games, But I don't think it's the Jets.

1029
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 4: That you hold them out of the playoffs, that would

1030
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 4: do nothing for me, a.

1031
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: Lot for me.

1032
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 6: I agree, the other two teams we held the Jets

1033
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 6: out of the players.

1034
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 4: The two teams own me. Yeah, I want to I

1035
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 4: want to stop that, stop it stopping that.

1036
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: We'll do that next year. We'll take care of that

1037
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: next year.

1038
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 5: You can't let the streak in to be sure, I'm

1039
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 5: not like pitching. I'd rather beat the Jets than these

1040
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 5: two teams, like it means nothing, but I just.

1041
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 6: You know, event doesn't mean nothing. At least they have

1042
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 6: dominance over something still.

1043
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: Right, right, you don't want to let them up off

1044
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: the mat.

1045
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 4: No, I think it just continues a lot of negative numbers.

1046
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: Damn, I don't know. Sixteen in a row, that's positive.

1047
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 4: Number to me, you know, not when that's the only

1048
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 4: team you be.

1049
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,240
Speaker 1: It's okay at least at least.

1050
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 4: That at least that going with ten games under five hundred,

1051
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 4: twenty games under it. If you take the Jets.

1052
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: Out and let's just say that, let's just say this

1053
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: is it for Bill. His last win was against the Jets, right,

1054
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: he would want that too.

1055
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 4: If it's his last game, that that I would probably

1056
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 4: go to.

1057
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was kind of thinking that as well.

1058
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: If it's his last game then he coaches in the NFL.

1059
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 4: I think I would like him to go out with

1060
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 4: a win.

1061
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 5: He wants something on the line for the Jets too, though, right, Like,

1062
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 5: you don't want that to be just.

1063
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, like nineteen when the Dolphins like beat the

1064
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 6: Patriots to knock him out of the first round. By

1065
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 6: maybe the Patriots knocked the Jets out of the playoffs.

1066
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 6: Bill wins his last game against the Jets. The of

1067
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 6: it that I would that's like almost like another Super Bowl.

1068
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: Joseph San Antonio, Hey, Joe points, I like it.

1069
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 3: Joe, thank you, thank you for taking my call. I'm

1070
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 3: gonna be a reef as I can. So yesterday I

1071
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 3: try to get an emailing. Unfortunately he didn't get talked about.

1072
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: But I cannot help to see the similarities as a

1073
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: franchise of the Spurs and the Patriots, with the runs

1074
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: that we have had here in San Antonio and the

1075
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: paths up there, and the similarities of the coaching style

1076
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 3: of Pop and Bill. So right now I'm seeing in

1077
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 3: real time how the arch has come from the Spurs,

1078
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 3: moving on from the victory and the down. And we

1079
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: haven't won a championship here since twenty fourteen, and now

1080
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: that we got Wemby, you know, things are looking on

1081
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 3: the up and up and with the right future. So

1082
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: basically my point is that yes, Bill has missed on

1083
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: a lot of picks, There's no question about it. And

1084
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 3: probably Mac is not the guy but I'm simply just

1085
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: not ready to give up. I'm bill after for losing seasons.

1086
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 3: Uh uh theoretically like that, because like I said, I'm

1087
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: seeing it in real time what a little bit of patience,

1088
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 3: uh can do to kind of like correct the the Yeah.

1089
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: But the only thing I would say, Joel, I hear

1090
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: what you're saying. But in basketball, one guy can make

1091
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: a difference, you know, and and it's less of it.

1092
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: Coaches make less of a difference in the NBA than

1093
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 1: in football in my opinion.

1094
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 3: You know, but we're talking about two goals, right, the

1095
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: golden basketball the golden football.

1096
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 4: And I don't think you have. I don't think you

1097
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 4: guys have the golden basketball.

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Speaker 6: You think that's the wrong thing to say in this town, Joel,

1099
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 6: True that red.

1100
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 3: Hour back might have something to say about.

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00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 6: That, thank you.

1102
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 4: As much as I don't like Phil Jackson, I'd put

1103
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 4: Phil Jackson light years ahead of him too.

1104
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: And it's and it's just that, you know, just after

1105
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 3: four years of losing, Yeah, I mean, it sucks, really sucks.

1106
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: The team look like that. But I'm just not ready

1107
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 3: to to give up just yet.

1108
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 4: Okakay, all right, We've we've heard from more people like you.

1109
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: It's in the last day or two, which is good.

1110
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 4: I like some balance.

1111
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: Exactly, thanks Joe.

1112
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 6: I'm with Fred said it spot on, though, like Wemby

1113
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 6: could change is if he's as good as everybody thinks

1114
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 6: he is, that whole franchise flips. The Spurs also won

1115
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 6: with Kawhi Leonard as like their best player, like Duncan

1116
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 6: was at the end. Yeah, you know, he was at

1117
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 6: the end of his run there and Kui was the

1118
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 6: m v P of the finals.

1119
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 4: Well I want another one. Yeah, outside, so that didn't

1120
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 4: that's again another market.

1121
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know history.

1122
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 4: This victor Okay, he was the number one overall pick.

1123
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 6: I want to make sure was he he dunked the

1124
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 6: other day from like the free throw line without jumping.

1125
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 4: It was unbelievable. You see the the l he had

1126
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 4: in one of those. Yeah, it wasn't even the guy

1127
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 4: who's the past that. It wasn't an So he just went.

1128
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 6: But then he like he has like handles though, like

1129
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 6: you know, he's like seven to three and he can dunk.

1130
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 4: Like that perimeter game.

1131
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 6: But the peri Yeah, it's like Durant is like kind

1132
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 6: of the closest thing I can think of. But he's

1133
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 6: taller than Duran.

1134
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 4: He is taller.

1135
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 6: Tim's in Providence Center. They play whatever position.

1136
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: To Tamara is not here. She's away.

1137
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 4: Evidently she just gets time off out of town the

1138
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 4: middle of the season.

1139
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1140
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 4: Okay, she was.

1141
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: The only last week, h Tim.

1142
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 14: Everybody thought I was Ken.

1143
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, because it's written on them just Ken.

1144
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 14: I'm actually from Massachusetts, but you guys thought I had

1145
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 14: a Rhode Island actor.

1146
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 15: Ken.

1147
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: But you're living in Providence right.

1148
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 14: Work down here?

1149
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, it's just just chatting or do you

1150
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: have a one of what? What are we doing?

1151
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 14: I sent a message guys thought about this.

1152
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: Okay.

1153
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 14: So I actually don't think the Patriots, you know, presuming

1154
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 14: they're going to have a high draft pick, I think

1155
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 14: if they're not going to have the first, which they're

1156
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 14: probably not going to have because you know, Carolina is

1157
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 14: offl so Chicago's going to have that pick, and if

1158
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 14: they're not going to have the second pick, a third pick,

1159
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 14: and I'm presuming that those top two quarterbacks are going

1160
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 14: to go there, I actually think they should pass on

1161
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 14: a quarterback in the first round. And and get alignment

1162
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 14: is actually what I think they should do. I mean,

1163
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 14: I just think when you look at the free agents

1164
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 14: that are available twenty twenty four.

1165
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 16: For linemen and the problems they're having and heems to

1166
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 16: all stem from there that I think in the risk

1167
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 16: of taking a quarterback in the first round, I just

1168
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 16: think back to all the first round quarterbacks that have

1169
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 16: been taken that haven't panned out, and I just think,

1170
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 16: you know, that's what they should be doing, is looking

1171
00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 16: for key pieces and then keep drafting quarterback in the second,

1172
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 16: third round and hope they've put enough pieces around in

1173
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 16: the in the upcoming grass of the line and the

1174
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 16: wide receiver position to give a kid a chance, because

1175
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 16: I can't just keep drafting kids and then putting them

1176
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 16: in terrible positions.

1177
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: Yep, now, I hear you. I mean, Okay, So let's

1178
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: say they have fourth or fifth pick and the quarterback

1179
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: they love is gone. I could see them trading down

1180
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be screaming bloody murder if they did it,

1181
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 1: you know, but you have to yeah, not too far,

1182
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, down toward the lower middle of the first

1183
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: round and picking up an extra second or more, and

1184
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: as long as they pick the right players, you know, there's.

1185
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 5: Always good players to be found.

1186
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 8: I just I'm scared of that, like you know, five

1187
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 8: to ten range where And I mean Evan's made some

1188
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 8: good points about this, like go up, go up, like

1189
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 8: if you need if you know the guy and you

1190
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 8: want the guy. I mean, talk to Paul about when

1191
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 8: the Patriots drafted Drew Bletzoe. It turned everything around, you know.

1192
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: Not that they had to go up and get them,

1193
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: but that's tough when it's a quarterback because if the

1194
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: other team wants a quarterback, yeah, that's there, you know,

1195
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: like why are they going to give that up?

1196
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 8: You know, but I do think it's gonna and I

1197
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 8: mean I haven't even really touched the draft yet, but

1198
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 8: you know they need a lot. I mean and as

1199
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 8: much as team would go crazy about, you know, drafting

1200
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 8: to tackle over a quarterback that you're kind of like

1201
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 8: like Mac about.

1202
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna be upfront and tell you I would

1203
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 4: go crazy if.

1204
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 5: They took a tackle on the top. Well what would

1205
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 5: you take though, Like I mean, just I mean we're

1206
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 5: talking abstract here.

1207
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 8: If there wasn't a quarterback or why Marvin Harry really

1208
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 8: if there wasn't a quarterback or Rock Powers but not

1209
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 8: on defense.

1210
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 4: Oh, I mean, if so, you'd rather have like a linebacker.

1211
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 4: If it's like a Micah Parsons type guy on defense,

1212
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 4: I'd be you know, I just don't know if that

1213
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 4: exists right now. I'm sure there's really good players. I'm

1214
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 4: not a college football expert. I like to watch a

1215
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 4: lot of games. I don't do so with an eye

1216
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 4: toward who's going to be you know at the top

1217
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 4: of the you know, a lot of a lot of

1218
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 4: people do that.

1219
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 6: Fortunately, it's becoming my job earlier than usual.

1220
00:52:59,520 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 9: You know.

1221
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 4: I I like to just kind of watch the games

1222
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 4: and enjoy them for the games without necessarily say, oh,

1223
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 4: is he coming out, or is he is he eligible

1224
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 4: for the draft? Whatever. If it was like a Micah

1225
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 4: Parsons kind of defensive player who can sort of inject

1226
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 4: and all kinds of life into your into your defense

1227
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 4: right away, sure, But otherwise all the suggestions that Evan

1228
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 4: had about skill guys, I would I'd be looking at.

1229
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 6: You can do your Micah Parsons on your own time.

1230
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 4: I want all your I want all your options first.

1231
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I hear you.

1232
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 4: I Marvin Harrison. Yes, So there there's.

1233
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 6: Really three quarterbacks that are going to go I think

1234
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 6: in the top ten. And obviously Caleb Williams and Drake

1235
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 6: Mayer the first two, and I think Pennix from Washington

1236
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 6: is going to go top ten as well. So those

1237
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 6: three guys I think are all better than you know,

1238
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 6: talent wise. Like I always hate when people are like, oh,

1239
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 6: that guy is better already than Mac Jones. It's like

1240
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 6: he's never played it down in the NFL, Like you

1241
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 6: don't know that, but he's he's more physically gifted than

1242
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 6: Mac Jones.

1243
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 4: That's not that's easy to see.

1244
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so those three guys are are the quarterbacks.

1245
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 6: I'm gonna butcher his name, but Olo Fushanu is the

1246
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 6: is the tackle, and then Joe alt is the other tackle.

1247
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 6: Like those are the two tackles that are gonna be

1248
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 6: up near the top. And then obviously you have Harrison

1249
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 6: and and Brock Bauers, who are like the two skilled players.

1250
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 6: And like that's I just named like seven guys, like

1251
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 6: that's kind of your top ten, Like you know, you're

1252
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 6: the defensive players in this draft are not getting nearly

1253
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 6: as much buzz as those guys.

1254
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 8: The gross thing, too, is I took like a little

1255
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 8: just Lookie lou at at free agency and just like

1256
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 8: what the free agency class looks like. And it's like, oh,

1257
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 8: like you're not You're not going to rebuild your team

1258
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 8: in free agency.

1259
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 4: The year to draft, the year to get a free

1260
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 4: agent tackle was last year. Like there was some there

1261
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 4: was some good tackles available in free agency, some you know,

1262
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 4: some of them high priced guys like o'lando Brown, but

1263
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 4: some of them, you know, middle tier guys. Yeah, and

1264
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 4: Color McDermott they weren't they weren't interested in and.

1265
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: H it's Christian and Alabirth. Is this Chris with a tia.

1266
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 17: N Yes, Yes, that's me. Thanks for taking my call.

1267
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 17: I wanted to ask you guys about Magro because I

1268
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 17: feel like there's been a lot of reports in the

1269
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 17: past weeks, even like I don't know, I guess year

1270
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 17: where he's seemed like he has more say than what

1271
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 17: most people think he does. And so with I think

1272
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 17: there was a thing about Malie Cunningham he has to

1273
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 17: saying that Bill O'Brien said, and then twenty twenty two

1274
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 17: draft and then the Trent Brown incentives this year. How

1275
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 17: much do we trust Magro moving forward with this team

1276
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 17: as a gm.

1277
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: Well, did he draft Cole Strange? Yes, I don't know.

1278
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.

1279
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 8: I think we were at a place maybe the last

1280
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 8: year where we were like, just let mac Row do it.

1281
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 5: And you know, the draft picks haven't worked out. They

1282
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 5: haven't panned out. This I mean, Christian Gonzalez fell in

1283
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 5: your lap, but otherwise you haven't really picked what you needed.

1284
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 5: So I don't know, I don't know.

1285
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 4: I h I like when the guys are done with us.

1286
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree. I'm glad that the caller brought up

1287
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 6: Macro because I feel like he's been absolved of blame

1288
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 6: for all of this because Bill is Bill, and everybody

1289
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 6: just assumes that everything is every decision is made it

1290
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 6: is by Bill, and I don't necessarily disagree with that.

1291
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 6: But at the same time, like I I do hold

1292
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 6: a little bit against Macro that he's not a little

1293
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 6: bit more.

1294
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,479
Speaker 1: A report that Macro has more power than.

1295
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 8: Yesterday, they asked Bill O'Brien about the Molik cunning the

1296
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 8: Malik Cunningham elevation, and Bill O'Brien said that was a.

1297
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 15: Matt and Bill thing.

1298
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 8: So I think you said it, Bill O'Brien yesterday said

1299
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 8: that was a Bill and Matt thing. As far as

1300
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 8: promoting Milie Cunning, Okay, I think maybe he was extrapolating

1301
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 8: a little.

1302
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 4: Bit, right, Like making a decision to sort of elevate

1303
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 4: a guy from the practice squad isn't necessarily he has

1304
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 4: more power than you think. Like, whose decision was it

1305
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 4: to say we didn't need to tackle in free agency?

1306
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 4: Bill belichicks, this is what ends up happening traditionally when

1307
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 4: things are going bad. Now, we haven't had a lot

1308
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 4: of these because things haven't gone bad all that often

1309
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 4: in twenty years, but when they do, personnel wise, this

1310
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 4: is what happened. You know, it's not just all Belichick.

1311
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 4: You know, it's not all Bell. But but those same

1312
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Speaker 4: kind of anonymous guys are quick to point out when

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Speaker 4: like they draft Nikkill Harry, that it wasn't the scouts

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Speaker 4: that identified Nikhil Harry. It was Bill who overruled the scouts, right,

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Speaker 4: And he went to his college, his college coach buddy

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Speaker 4: Todd Graham, and said, oh, yeah, this is the guy.

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Speaker 4: He's a three down guy, he could be a four

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Speaker 4: down guy for you and contributing the kicking game, and

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Speaker 4: blah blah blah, all the scouts are very quick to

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Speaker 4: cover their you know what's that way. But when it's

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Speaker 4: something that you want to sort of trumpet in the

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Speaker 4: positive way, you know, it's not all Bill, Right, Bill,

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of this is going on right now.

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Speaker 4: Everybody either wants credit for the things that are going

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Speaker 4: well or wants to separate themselves from blame from anything

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Speaker 4: that's not.

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Speaker 1: You know, because all these guys are looking for the

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Speaker 1: next Yet.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they're all concerned about.

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Speaker 6: That, and like I'm like less worried about like who's

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00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 6: doing what and whose like responsibility is what? Then I

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Speaker 6: am like Macro. I know that Macro recognizes the way

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Speaker 6: that the game is played nowadays, Like I know he

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Speaker 6: sees the trending in a certain direction. I know that

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Speaker 6: he sees the value in number one receivers. I know

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Speaker 6: that he sees the value in offense. And like I

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Speaker 6: hold it against him that he didn't stand up to

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Speaker 6: Bill Moore, like you have to go in to every

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00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 6: once in a while, you got to tell the boss, hey, listen,

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Speaker 6: like this isn't gonna cut it, and like if you

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Speaker 6: think it is, then like that's on, that's on you.

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Speaker 6: But like this isn't.

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Speaker 1: But who drafted Taekwon Thornton.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying that Macro is. I'm I'm blaming Macro

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Speaker 6: like I.

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Speaker 4: Deserves more blame, yes, but for not speaking up and

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00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 4: just in general talking about.

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Speaker 1: Who the choice, who made the choice?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but and I think he has I think he

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Speaker 4: has the final say and everything.

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Speaker 6: And then then add that to the like add that

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Speaker 6: to the Macro list. Like to me, I feel like

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Speaker 6: Macro deserves more criticism, whether you want to blame him

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00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 6: for evaluating talent in the draft or you want to

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00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,439
Speaker 6: blame him for not, you know, sticking up to Bill

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00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 6: a little bit more. I at the end of the day,

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00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 6: like your name is on the team too. So if

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00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 6: you're you're looking at it and you tell me and

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Speaker 6: you tell the reporters, you know you want to draft

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00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 6: fast guys. You know want fast guys, draft fast guys.

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Speaker 6: You want you know, what's the number one receiver, Macro?

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Speaker 6: It's a guy that gets open no matter what. Do

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Speaker 6: you have one? Not really? So like why not? Like

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Speaker 6: you're the director of player personnel, Like you're telling us

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Speaker 6: in the in training camp that you're spending money now

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Speaker 6: that you know you're you're talking to us after the

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Speaker 6: the draft instead of Bill, So why not why why

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Speaker 6: don't they have a you know, better talent on offense?

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Speaker 6: And I think it's and I also would put it

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Speaker 6: on and Cam Williams because like you're the younger guys here,

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Speaker 6: Like you're the guys that are supposed to be able

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Speaker 6: to scout, you know, offensive talent. You're the guys that

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Speaker 6: are like I was at Boston College's pro day with

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Speaker 6: Cam Williams and watching Zay Flowers and they didn't care,

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Speaker 6: like they they didn't care, and it just so what's

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Speaker 6: the disconnect there?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so that's a good one though, because you

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Speaker 4: ended up hitting on that pick. So that's you know,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna look at that down the road. You would

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Speaker 4: you rather have Zay Flowers? Well, Christian Gonzalez, why not both? Well,

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Speaker 4: now you're talking about a different argument though.

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Speaker 6: But it's just like they they don't they have no

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Speaker 6: sense of urgency whatsoever with upgrading the offense.

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Speaker 4: Now, my answer would have been Zay Flowers, by the way.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's but it doesn't like regardless, it's just they

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Speaker 6: just have no sense of urgency. So you're telling me that,

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Speaker 6: all right, by the time they got to their pick

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Speaker 6: in the second round, there was no wide receiver tackle

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Speaker 6: word taking, So why did you stay there?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 6: And does draft Keon White, who's a great point is fine,

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Speaker 6: but like, isn't gonna really move the needle.

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Speaker 4: And just in full disclosure, I would not have said

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Speaker 4: Zay Flowers at the draft. I would have said Gonzales, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but because I wasn't a huge believer in Zay Flowers.

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Speaker 4: But I'm just looking at the first half of this year,

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Speaker 4: I look like I'm wrong.

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 4: I mean, my concerns about him were size, so we'll

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Speaker 4: see how he holds up. But the guy can.

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Speaker 1: I think I would have been happy with either pick, right,

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Speaker 1: I knew more about Zay Flowers at the time. From

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Speaker 1: what I've seen from Christian Gonzales, I'm perfectly happy that

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Speaker 1: they draft.

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Speaker 4: You know, I am too, And I don't know how

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Speaker 4: you cannot think that they at least have a promising

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Speaker 4: player here.

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Speaker 1: Me too.

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Speaker 6: It's just the lack of Like I love Christian Gonzazi,

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01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 6: all know that, but it's just the lack of urgency.

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Speaker 6: Whatever avenue you want to talk about, the draft, free agency, uh,

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Speaker 6: you know, trades, whatever. They just have no urgency to

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Speaker 6: like truly upgrade the offense. And I have to think

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Speaker 6: that that that's everybody is culpable in that, in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, Mark sin Everett, what's up?

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Speaker 9: Thank you, Freddie to take away a call.

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Speaker 18: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 18: And you guys know I.

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Speaker 3: Grew up whatever with PAULI.

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Speaker 9: So we've seen some bad Patriots teams, and this is

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Speaker 9: a bad Patriots team. But uh, you know, I'm glad

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Speaker 9: you brought up mac Roll, Billy O'Brien, Troy Brown. There's

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01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 9: a lot of coaches out there that the responsible for

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01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 9: what we see on the field week to week. It's

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Speaker 9: not just Bill. And I wouldn't want to give up

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Speaker 9: Bill unless I knew who was coming in his place,

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01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 9: even though he isn't a Marvel Levy here now. And

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01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 9: maybe it is typing to go, but we have to

1430
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 9: be careful who's we're going to bring in and under

1431
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 9: all that pressure that they're going to come in with,

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01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 9: it's gotta be someone who's really confident and knows what

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01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 9: they're doing, wouldn't you Green?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely? You know, you know everybody wants that next

1435
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: young guy. But unless that young guy has already been

1436
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: a head coach. You're taking a big risk.

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Speaker 4: But I'm Robert Kraft and I've decided that Bill is

1438
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 4: no longer the best guy for the job. Then I

1439
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 4: need to move on, and I have to hope that

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01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 4: I get it right. Right, Like, I don't just say

1441
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 4: Mike is going to be a better experience guy. I

1442
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 4: don't think that guy I have right now is working.

1443
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 4: I need to make a change. I don't have any guarantees. Listen,

1444
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 4: the guy who replaces him is going to work for.

1445
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: The same reason that Bill started looking in twenty fourteen,

1446
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: because of his age and his contract status with Brady.

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01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: I hope that the Crafts are because of Bill's age

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01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: and his status. That's a big part that they've been

1449
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: doing their research. And if it happened today, they would

1450
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: know the three guys or four guys who they want

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01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: to target.

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Speaker 4: And just out of point of comparison, the last guy

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01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 4: that the Crafts fired was Pete Carroll. Has he done

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01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 4: since pretty good? Anybody regret it?

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01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: Pretty good? Nope?

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01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 4: Nope, because you got a guy who was better, right, So,

1457
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 4: like you, you just have to make the move. And

1458
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 4: obviously there's no chance of that happening with Belichick. You know,

1459
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 4: coming into next year, he'll be seventy two. He's not

1460
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 4: going to have a twenty year career like Pete Carroll

1461
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 4: has had.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thanks, Mark, appreciate the call. Paul's foods here,

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Speaker 1: so we got to take a break. When we come back.

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Speaker 1: More calls and emails and Evan back from practice Here

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Speaker 15: Another edition of the TU halftime Show that keeps down here,

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Speaker 15: joined by Faith Rorell, a recurring guest of the show.

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Speaker 20: Yes, I keep getting it brought back.

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Speaker 15: Okay, Faith, So the Patriots have put me and many

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01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 15: other people in a bad mood. And so this episode

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Speaker 15: for trivia and for the topic are going to be

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01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 15: not that Patriots focus because me, like a lot of people,

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Speaker 15: I need a break. So Trivia, don't answer the questions.

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Speaker 15: We're gonna take this to the movies, all right. Paul

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Speaker 15: likes this. Question one in the Longest Yard two thousand

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Speaker 15: and five with Adam Sandler, what was the final score

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Speaker 15: of the game? All right, meme Machine versus the Guards?

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Speaker 15: The final score?

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Speaker 20: Good question?

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Speaker 15: Question two in the movie Remember the Titans, What was

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Speaker 15: the game winning play?

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Speaker 20: Call?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 15: Question three in two thousand and six in the movie

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Speaker 15: Gridiron Gang, which air quotes actor played as the assistant coach.

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Speaker 15: All right, the air quotes, there is your your little

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Speaker 15: uh clue, little hint, yeah hint. But Faith, as I

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Speaker 15: said earlier, the Pats have been pissing me off. Sorry,

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Speaker 15: I think I can say that. So we're gonna talk

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Speaker 20: I know you think, but I was a big fan

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Speaker 20: of them. I really liked them. I was excited too

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Speaker 20: for the Vikings Classic to come back. Yeah, kind of simple,

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Speaker 20: but I liked what they did, at least in content

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Speaker 20: to promote it. I love fun jerseys, like the more

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Speaker 20: the better, the more the better, keep it interesting. I

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Speaker 20: mean the Eagles doing like their green, the Kelly Green. Like,

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Speaker 20: I just think the more you have, the more you're

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Speaker 20: gonna get fans engaged. Obviously fans are gonna want to

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Speaker 20: buy it. Like I think we should do more city

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Speaker 20: jerseys similar to baseball and stuff. I feel like that

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Speaker 20: would be sick. But yeah, A big fan of the

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Speaker 20: Bucks too.

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Speaker 15: It uh yeah, I mean it just reminds me back

1526
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 15: in nine it was like the something anniversary of the

1527
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 15: AFL and every team had two throwbacks and they had

1528
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 15: them like three times and like most of them were.

1529
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 15: Like the Pats had our throwbacks, which I love those,

1530
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 15: by the way, It's the only thing I love about

1531
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 15: the team right now. But we had the white ones.

1532
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 15: Those was great. They wore those a couple of times.

1533
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 15: You had the Reds, the Titans were wearing the Oilers jerseys,

1534
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 15: and you know, I mean faith we've been struggling as

1535
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 15: Pats fans. Minus last year we brought back the Reds.

1536
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 15: The uh, it hasn't been great. It's not the team

1537
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 15: with one one pair of pants, the one pair of

1538
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 15: pants team. You know, last year we saw the silver

1539
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 15: Pants come back and that was a disaster for that game.

1540
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 15: Don't want to get into the sorry'm gaining salfty right now,

1541
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 15: getting worked up inner, Evan. But then the uh, you know,

1542
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 15: you just see teams like the Chargers, and I mean

1543
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 15: last night they they played a close and with the Cowboys,

1544
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 15: or the Cowboys were in their throwbacks too, but I

1545
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 15: mean my favorite jersey right now, and the Chargers don't

1546
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 15: really have a throwback anymore. They just have the Powder Blues. Yeah,

1547
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 15: the Navies, okay, or I'm against us in twenty twenty yeah,

1548
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 15: or maybe it was twenty twenty or maybe it was

1549
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 15: a Max rookie year. And I think those are like

1550
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 15: the cleanest jerseys.

1551
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: I like them.

1552
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 20: I like them. I think like anytime you've got the

1553
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 20: All Navy. I'm not a fan of white football pants.

1554
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 20: I'm not a fan of the white pants. I feel

1555
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 20: like the All Navy is a nice look. I even

1556
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 20: I mean, I hate to give a shout out to

1557
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 20: the Bills, but I like they're all red. I'm a

1558
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 20: fan of the red.

1559
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 15: See I think they're too close to our reds.

1560
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 20: Well yeah, I mean we basically have the same red

1561
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 20: other than obviously we have different blues. But I don't

1562
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 20: know what are your thoughts on the Seahawks all Neon green.

1563
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 15: How do you feel like? I don't really like is

1564
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 15: it so ugly it's good? Or is it just kind

1565
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 15: of I'm thinking like the early like you know, twenty

1566
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 15: tens when they when they debuted it. But what I

1567
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 15: do like about the Seahawks, which I don't think they

1568
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 15: wore them yet, is there bringing back their nineties ones?

1569
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 15: I never saw those in person, or like, yeah, I

1570
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 15: was too young to watch those, but that was from

1571
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 15: the Bosworth days. I'm it was the bas Yeah, like

1572
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:22,799
Speaker 15: they have theirs also, Yeah, so the Greens. It's fun

1573
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 15: because you know why not. That's the thing. That's why

1574
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 15: the NFL is so strict about this, because you only

1575
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 15: have so many games, you gotta wear the classic jerseys.

1576
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 15: I'm sure the contracts with Nike and stuff, but yeah,

1577
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 15: the more the merrier, I mean. Also give a shout

1578
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 15: out to the Giants. Yeah, those the throwback helmet with

1579
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 15: like the old Giants, Like yeah, yeah, it is just

1580
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 15: the way to do it. I hope. I mean it's funny.

1581
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 15: I used to love when the Pats wore the color Rush, like, yeah,

1582
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 15: it was fun.

1583
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 20: Color Rush was a cool thing.

1584
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 15: But now it's too much. Yeah, it's like it's like

1585
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 15: it's now it's like this is our jersey and I'm

1586
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 15: like no, Like this was fun to where everyone. Thank go,

1587
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 15: Brady got to wear it once.

1588
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 20: But have you seen I know in the pro Shop

1589
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 20: they sell black mac Jones jersey, Like do.

1590
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 15: It, just do it?

1591
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: I would love it. I'm black.

1592
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 15: You can't go as a as a former soccer player,

1593
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 15: and like, so soccer teams they change jerseys literally every year,

1594
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 15: and they they'll do special there's so many games will

1595
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 15: do special edition jerseys. Yeah, you get all black, like

1596
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 15: it always look clean.

1597
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 20: Yeah, I think it would be fun. I mean I

1598
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 20: just think like fans love it, like it's fun to watch.

1599
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 20: Like I don't know, I like I there was one

1600
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 20: time on the show that I do that we were

1601
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 20: talking about just matchups that look nice, and I'm thinking

1602
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 20: like Minnesota Vikings and Philadelphia Eagles, like you've got the

1603
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 20: teal and the black, then you've got the purple and gold.

1604
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 20: Like I don't know for people, especially like now, there's

1605
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 20: a lot of Swifties that watch football. You know, you

1606
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 20: gotta watch an aesthetically pleasing matchup.

1607
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 15: Yeah, jerseys are great and also look good, play good, every.

1608
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,799
Speaker 20: Good, feel good exactly.

1609
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 15: I'll never forget it was the Jets. I think it

1610
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 15: was Bobby Anderson a couple of years ago before they switched.

1611
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 15: It was like I didn't even get it. I mean,

1612
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 15: first of all, on the Jets back in the day,

1613
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 15: I didn't even get it. Cited to uh put on

1614
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 15: the jersey. Yeah, I think they got The Jets have

1615
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 15: the green, the legacy one which Aaron Rodgers got heard in.

1616
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 15: Sorry about that, and they have the blacks. Still at

1617
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 15: least they have options, like we like we wore the

1618
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 15: whites for the first time the season. Yeah, and like

1619
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 15: we can't even I know you said you don't like

1620
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 15: the white pants, but I mean even like you know,

1621
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 15: an all white look would be fine, just something like

1622
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 15: even just from a from a content standpoint, like the Jags,

1623
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 15: like every.

1624
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 20: Thoughts on the Bengals the whites. The whites are giving

1625
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 20: zebra I have to admit.

1626
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 15: But that's the thing you were at once a year

1627
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 15: and it's like a special occasion.

1628
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 20: Yeah, I like, what was it Whatever game they had

1629
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 20: last year was in the snow with the white That

1630
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 20: was good. I think, like all like all of that

1631
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 20: white was nice. With the jerseys, I think.

1632
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,839
Speaker 15: All right, so before we wrap up, give me your

1633
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 15: top three jerseys oh in the league. And also before

1634
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 15: I do this, I forgot to mention on the trivia guys.

1635
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 15: This was for the game the game day posters, which

1636
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 15: are sick. Yeah they're they're sick, guys, even though you

1637
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 15: know the pasts aren't doing too well right now, Like

1638
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 15: these artists went all out. They look really cool. Collect them.

1639
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 15: They're limited edition. So the trivia for today is the

1640
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 15: posters send those answers in the web. Radio at Patriots

1641
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 15: dot com. But faith, give me your top three NFL

1642
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 15: jerseys and I'll go real quick too. Then we'll go

1643
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 15: back to the show.

1644
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:37,879
Speaker 20: Oh okay, all right, So I really like the Carolina

1645
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 20: Panthers colors. So I like when they're wearing black and

1646
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 20: you get they get like the sky blue color. So

1647
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 20: I'll go with that as one. The Vikings Classic is nice.

1648
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 20: I'll go with as two. And then I hate saying it,

1649
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 20: but I like the Jets, like rebranding, like I'm kind

1650
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 20: of a fan of their just like they're green with

1651
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 20: like the your logo and stuff.

1652
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 15: Got those three, all right, I'm going with the Chargers

1653
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 15: powder blue. Yeah, throw the Navy in there too. Just

1654
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 15: Chargers know what they're doing.

1655
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 6: They do.

1656
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 15: Ah, it's tough. It's pretty similar. I'm a loop loop

1657
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 15: put these two together. I'm gonna go with the Eagles

1658
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 15: all black and the Ravens all black. I just think

1659
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:22,799
Speaker 15: they're very similar to the Birds.

1660
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and.

1661
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 15: The Pats, the Pats red, Pats red, I love them.

1662
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 20: I love the Royal blue.

1663
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 15: All right, guys, thank you for listening. We'll be back

1664
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 15: to the Patriots and built it.

1665
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 21: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, replacements

1666
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,799
Speaker 21: were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

1667
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 21: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where

1668
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,520
Speaker 21: now it's next for residential delivery.

1669
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 2: Only and now great moments in.

1670
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: History.

1671
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 4: And neither was anybody saying that Cole Strange can't play.

1672
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 4: But they say he struggled as a rookie and he

1673
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 4: was overdrafted Paul, and that's a bad pick.

1674
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: Some people say it's a bust. Yes, it's not a bus.

1675
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 4: Year one was a bust.

1676
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 1: That's not what I just said.

1677
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 4: And you know it, Okay, Well, what do you think

1678
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 4: is going to happen. I don't think he's gonna end

1679
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 4: up being like a first round but I.

1680
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: Think I think it's just as stupid to say I

1681
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: know he's gonna be a pro bowler as I know

1682
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 1: he's going to be a bust. Same way with Marcus Jones.

1683
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 4: It's not just as stupid to say the second part,

1684
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 4: because he was a bust in year one. He wasn't

1685
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 4: anywhere near a force.

1686
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 1: So he wasn't a bust.

1687
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 4: He was fred Oh, come on for one year. Like,

1688
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that ends his story as a player.

1689
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 1: I didn't say, you said, but.

1690
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 4: In year one, he was in and out of the lineup.

1691
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: Dude to performance and like the emailer said, we knew

1692
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: he was going to struggle.

1693
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 4: No, I didn't. I don't pick first round picks as

1694
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,879
Speaker 4: plug and play guys that I know are going to struggle.

1695
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: Listen, listen.

1696
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 4: Then it's a bad pick.

1697
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 1: It's not.

1698
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 4: One of the two has to be true.

1699
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 1: Well, we'll know it's a bad pick in a few years,

1700
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 1: but right now he can't say.

1701
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 4: This is my whole thing about offensive Lineman. It's not

1702
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 4: why you can get away with taking offensive lineman because

1703
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 4: no one will ever call him a bust.

1704
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 1: You just did.

1705
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 4: I will, but no one.

1706
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: Paul is the only one.

1707
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 4: Now now he's going to completely change the narrative of

1708
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 4: this argument. Be snarky, make fun of me. Everybody laughs

1709
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:21,759
Speaker 4: at him, and then we'll use people. Do not declare

1710
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 4: offensive Lineman as readily bust you as Nikhil Harry. You

1711
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 4: are not on It was Nikhil Harry a bust. You

1712
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 4: was Nikhil Harry a bust? Okay? Was it okay to

1713
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 4: call him the bust after one year?

1714
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: No?

1715
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 4: Okay, it was not consistent.

1716
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: Tell you it's not okay.

1717
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 4: What do you think he's going to be cold, strange.

1718
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a fine NFL player.

1719
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:44,719
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't.

1720
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:51,799
Speaker 15: Okay, that's another great moment from.

1721
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,719
Speaker 4: Oh boy, Why is every one of those great moments

1722
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 4: in pf W history whatever? Like me and you just

1723
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 4: bickering to a little.

1724
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: Because we're the oldren. We're the only ones that have

1725
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: you know what it takes, clearly what takes.

1726
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 4: I clearly won that one.

1727
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: Well we'll see, but right now you're trending in the

1728
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: right direct.

1729
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 4: My larger point, which you always ignore, is no one

1730
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 4: calls offensive line because as long as they're in the line.

1731
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 1: Well that's true.

1732
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 4: I say a win was a bust.

1733
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 8: It's just hard, not productive. They're not catching balls. It's

1734
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 8: so easy to look at a wide.

1735
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 4: Receiver like he Ki Harry, everybody sorry, like he didn't

1736
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 4: catch passes, nobody, he's a bust.

1737
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think. I don't think any guy that's

1738
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: picked in the first round after one year to call

1739
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 1: him a bus No, I agree generally, any I don't

1740
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: care what is it.

1741
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 4: No, I think you deserve three years to sort of

1742
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 4: make a final determination. But I think people will look

1743
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 4: at wide receivers and say like Taekwan Thowton, he's headed

1744
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 4: toward bus category, right, But they won't do that for

1745
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 4: an offensive lineman in the in the middle of the

1746
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 4: second year, as long as he's playing.

1747
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, ain't playing, so.

1748
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: All right, show within a show, halftime pee, whatever you

1749
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: want to call it. We did some trivia, gave away

1750
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: some T shirts. The first question was in The Longest

1751
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 1: Yard two thousand and five film with Adam Sam what

1752
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 1: was the final score?

1753
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 4: Didn't see? Didn't see? Did they change the game?

1754
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:23,799
Speaker 1: I don't know the original Longest the Prison Show movie, right, yeah,

1755
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: it's the same move remakes. Burt Reynold, Yeah, Burt Reynolds, right, Yeah,

1756
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 1: what did you say, Paul?

1757
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 4: I wanted to say, like thirty three to thirty.

1758
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 1: Close, thirty six, thirty five, thirty six, thirty Tyler in

1759
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: Providence got it. Good, Good job, Tyler. Second question was

1760
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: what was the game winning play called? And remember the Titans?

1761
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 5: Oh, gosh, I don't know, Sunshine.

1762
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: I remember fake twenty three blast with a backside George reverse.

1763
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know that, but I did ask Bill

1764
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 4: Belichick about that.

1765
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what.

1766
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 5: Do you mean you asked him about the word? Remember

1767
01:17:58,479 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 5: the Titans movie.

1768
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had much of menish. The trivia question, well,

1769
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 4: the winner was the story time.

1770
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 1: The winner was Jake from Saint Louis.

1771
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 4: Good job, Jake.

1772
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 1: And the final question was in the two thousand and

1773
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: six movie. I'm sensing a theme here. In the two

1774
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 1: thousand and six movie grid Iron Gang, what actor and

1775
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: that's in quotes played as the assistant coach.

1776
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 5: I didn't know what that movie is.

1777
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 4: I didn't see Grid Iron Gang. What was it?

1778
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 1: What actor played as the assistant coach? And actors and

1779
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: quotes so not to be like an actual player, and

1780
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: I don't even know. The answer is exhibit, Oh exhibit

1781
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: is that a rapper or something?

1782
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1783
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 1: I think okay. And the winner was Anthony Taylor.

1784
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 4: No relation to Fabulous.

1785
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: Good job Anthony. I don't know if it's Anthony in

1786
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: Taylor or Anthony Taylor, but either way, good job.

1787
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 4: Oh Freddie.

1788
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: The other ones that had the where from?

1789
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 4: So remember the Titans was like northern Virginia, you know,

1790
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 4: early seventies, I'll say mid seventies, maybe early seventies, so

1791
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 4: that's around where Bill grew up, you know, Innapolis area.

1792
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 4: And I asked him, so, you know, I assume that you're.

1793
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 4: I bumped into him and the elevator in a road game.

1794
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 4: That's how long ago, small talk time, Yeah, And I said, hey,

1795
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you something. I assume that you're

1796
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 4: familiar with Herman Boone, you know, the coach that they

1797
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 4: made the movie. He goes, oh, yeah, he was. He

1798
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 4: was a big deal in high school. Circle is a

1799
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 4: really big deal. And I said, so, please tell me

1800
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,600
Speaker 4: that it was. They used a little Hollywood license and

1801
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 4: they didn't run the ball for seventy five yards for

1802
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 4: the last play of the game for the winning touchdown.

1803
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 4: And he started, he had no idea, but it was

1804
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 4: just like one of those deals, like, that's good, Paul.

1805
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 5: You know we're having well.

1806
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 4: I've had I've had my share. I've had my fair

1807
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 4: share of those. A little cold today, huh yeah. But

1808
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 4: I just thought that maybe he would know a little

1809
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 4: bit something about the the actual season and how much

1810
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 4: Hollywood took.

1811
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 15: Start breaking it down for you.

1812
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 1: What they did was, hey, guess who just stepped back

1813
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 1: from some place we don't have We don't have the sound,

1814
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: no sound right, too many you sing.

1815
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 6: The song that's too many buttons Evan.

1816
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 4: But has returned if you're gonna I hate when they

1817
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 4: get the words wrong.

1818
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 6: This is this is all right?

1819
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: What do we got, Evan?

1820
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 6: A little bit of a train anyways? Uh, A little

1821
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 6: bit of a lengthy list still of absences at Patriots practice. No,

1822
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 6: Jonathan Jones, Kean White Hunter, Henry josh j, and Trent

1823
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 6: Brown all missing from practice. We did see a juju

1824
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 6: Juju Smith Schuster returns to practice. But yeah, those what

1825
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 6: five guys? Yep, Jones, Kean, White Hunter, Henry josh J,

1826
01:20:58,320 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 6: Trent Brown.

1827
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 5: Juj not there return. Okay, Yeah, he was concussed.

1828
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 4: Now he is not.

1829
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 6: I'm glad he's not concussed anymore. In all since here.

1830
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 5: Well that's h Trent Brown though, huh yeah, no, Trent Brown.

1831
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: He'll be back.

1832
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, he'll be fine. I agree to a.

1833
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 8: Million reasons for him to be back, right, Hunter, Henry,

1834
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 8: that's a that'd be a significant one too.

1835
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 1: So sixty one degrees out me, Yeah, nice day, nice day,

1836
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,919
Speaker 1: pretty much the same weather we're going to have Sunday.

1837
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 1: Is that.

1838
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 8: I've been keeping a close track on that because my

1839
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 8: wife and kids are going to the game, and it

1840
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 8: seems like cloudy and kind of cool. But maybe maybe

1841
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 8: a little bit of chance of rain, but it doesn't

1842
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:37,799
Speaker 8: seem like any anything too crazy.

1843
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, how was the media?

1844
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 6: You know what? A lot of a lot of disappointment

1845
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 6: around the media right now.

1846
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: And I think that this is something you disappointed in

1847
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: them or they they're disappointed, just.

1848
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 6: You know, general just disappointment.

1849
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 5: I didn't sign up to cover this team.

1850
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think a lot of people and I know

1851
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 6: that Paul shows get this a lot that oh, you

1852
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 6: must be happy that they're losing, Like no, like this

1853
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 6: is kind of this is the total opposite. Like you know,

1854
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 6: obviously it's a little bit different for us, but.

1855
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,480
Speaker 4: It's the dirty little secret of the media.

1856
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 6: And just in general, Like if there's if they're not winning,

1857
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 6: there's no interest in the team, And if there's no

1858
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:17,719
Speaker 6: interest in the team, nobody's reading your stuff. So whether

1859
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 6: it's like because you have a little rooting interest or

1860
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 6: it's because you just want people to pay attention to

1861
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 6: the team, either way, losing stinks for everybody.

1862
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 4: It can work in a short term, but it is

1863
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 4: absolutely a dirty little secret in the media, especially on

1864
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 4: the radio. I think people would be shocked to find

1865
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 4: out how much, you know, my shows care about wins

1866
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 4: and losses in that regard because it's tough on ratings.

1867
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 8: I wonder, I mean, but we've seen engagement like people

1868
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 8: want to call. I mean every time they post something

1869
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 8: I write, it's like, you know, people are just yelling

1870
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 8: at you.

1871
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 5: But I mean it's still engaged.

1872
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 8: Like I just wonder, we're five games or six games

1873
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 8: into the season, whatever is it going to sustain that

1874
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 8: or people going to start And.

1875
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 6: I agree one hundred per time with Paul, Like that's

1876
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 6: what Paul I think is saying, is that, Okay, we

1877
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 6: can do the hysteria thing for a couple of weeks,

1878
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 6: but once we get to December, you know it's gonna

1879
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 6: be old talking about how bad they are every single day.

1880
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's gonna be intrigue. Yes, in what

1881
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: this off season is going to look.

1882
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 4: If let's just say they go five and twelve, you know,

1883
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 4: just pick a record and then Bill ends up no

1884
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:28,480
Speaker 4: longer being the coach, we will have a ridiculously successful

1885
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 4: offseason of shows for us. Oh yeah, selfishly, we will

1886
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 4: have a tremendous amount of interest leading up to whoever

1887
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:39,759
Speaker 4: they hire. In the aftermath of who they hire, the draft,

1888
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 4: and what they're going to do how they're going to

1889
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 4: remake the team, and it's going to lead us all

1890
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 4: the way from February to training camp. We will have

1891
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 4: no problems engaging our listeners.

1892
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: So it's going to be the search firm of Barth Lazarre.

1893
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 22: So you know, good, good law firm. Now, the only

1894
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 22: thing about that is that will work this year. Go

1895
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 22: five and twelve again, people stay because you probably got

1896
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 22: a new quarterback and you got some newness. Do it

1897
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 22: a third time and they say, yeah, all right, I

1898
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 22: got other things to do.

1899
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 5: With my name.

1900
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 4: You can't lose consistently without losing fans.

1901
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: Travis in West Virginia writes in at web radio at

1902
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: Patriots dot com just to offer an alternative opinion. I

1903
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: don't like watching Josh Allen play. I think that style

1904
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,480
Speaker 1: of play is boring and I can't wait until defenses

1905
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: in general wise up and learn how to prevent quarterbacks

1906
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 1: like him from having success when they roll out of

1907
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: the pocket. Also just figure it out also intellectually. Josh

1908
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 1: Allen is the male version of Jessica Simpson.

1909
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 4: Okay, oh, I thought that's my favorite Jessica Simpsons. I

1910
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 4: think I'm sure it's the same guy too. That does

1911
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:53,639
Speaker 4: it every time.

1912
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 6: Triots fan Josh Allen's I mean, I look, I don't

1913
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 6: know how you can. I think his playing style is boring.

1914
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 6: The guy plays balls on the wall every week.

1915
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 4: I think he's really being serious. Yeah, I mean the

1916
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 4: side of Mahomes. I don't really think there's a more

1917
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:12,719
Speaker 4: exciting guy to watch.

1918
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1919
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 4: I would say Mahomes is probably a little bit more

1920
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 4: because he's he's faster.

1921
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 6: He's better, and he's better.

1922
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 15: Yeah, and he's just like.

1923
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 4: But I don't know how you could not like watching.

1924
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 4: I mean, aside against your team.

1925
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 8: It's maddening to watch when you're rooting for the defense

1926
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 8: and you're like, we got him, we got him, we

1927
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 8: don't got him.

1928
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 9: That.

1929
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 5: I mean, that just happens way too much.

1930
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 1: Burton, Burton Island has a complaint to me, he said

1931
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: Fred this past Thursday during Picks, I did not detect

1932
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 1: the usual paper rustling when you skipped over the Patriots game.

1933
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 1: It may seem like a small thing, but actually it

1934
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 1: is things like this in these forlorn football times that

1935
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 1: your faithful listeners want more than ever that's not want

1936
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: with an oh, things like Gottahari and ahoy ploy and

1937
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: when Evan returns from practice, I most definitely need to

1938
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 1: hear Fred ask about the mood, and there was any

1939
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 1: grousing thank you for your service Patriots Nation in these troubling,

1940
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 1: troubling times.

1941
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 4: Attention to detail.

1942
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:10,919
Speaker 1: So we're still on practice. Were they in pads?

1943
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 6: Yes, pads on Wednesdays has been a theme, yep. But

1944
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 6: don't look too much into Tuesdays, Fred Tuesdays or just Mondays.

1945
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they say it, so they say.

1946
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 6: But yeah, Wednesdays or Wednesdays padded practiced today and big

1947
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 6: emphasis on you know, early down offense and defense and

1948
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 6: that sort of thing. Goal line, red zone type stuff too,

1949
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 6: a little bit, but yeah, big emphasis on first and

1950
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 6: second down on Wednesdays.

1951
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 1: I think they've figured out on Tuesday how to get

1952
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 1: an extra pat practice in.

1953
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and that's why I asked you off

1954
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 4: air if like that is something that they have to

1955
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,799
Speaker 4: sort of run by the players sort of the CBA

1956
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 4: on that one.

1957
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, eight five five past five hundred Radio

1958
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 1: at Patriots dot com. Lots of emails. I really appreciate it,

1959
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 1: some of them silly, some not. This is a silly one.

1960
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 1: The decline of the Patriots can be attributed to one

1961
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: exact moment in time, the twenty nineteen celebration for the

1962
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 1: Patriots last Super Bowl victory, when Rob Gronkowski used the

1963
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 1: Lombardi Trophy as a baseball bat in dented it, angering

1964
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: the football gods.

1965
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 5: Oh, maybe we could get one of those like things

1966
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 5: where you like pull it out, you know, like on

1967
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:27,759
Speaker 5: a card dent.

1968
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 4: Ye reverse, the curse was that the one?

1969
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 1: I thought it was before that.

1970
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 4: For some reason, I thought it was before too. But

1971
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 4: I do like those kinds of I think I think

1972
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 4: it might have been the fifty one one. Yeah, yeah,

1973
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 4: because there was at Fenway Park.

1974
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 15: It wasn't here.

1975
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it was the one he didn't even play

1976
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 5: for that.

1977
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: That little video that we put up in twenty four

1978
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 1: hours had two point four million views. Oh yeah, indent

1979
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: indent it he did? Right?

1980
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, I've seen it.

1981
01:27:54,200 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 1: I've seen it. Yeah. Michaels and Vermont. What's up, Michael, Michael? Michael?

1982
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 1: Are you in Vermont? He's not there? All right, We'll

1983
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 1: go to Jesse in New Bedford. What's up, Jesse?

1984
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 18: Hey?

1985
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 10: What's up?

1986
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 18: Guys?

1987
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 1: Hey Jesse, Hey.

1988
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 10: How you doing. I'm gonna kind of talk to you

1989
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 10: guys about something. I came across something about X where

1990
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 10: I know everybody's down a mac. I know Evan, which

1991
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 10: I'm surprised that embraced the tank the other day. But

1992
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 10: I got a little things to compare with you guys,

1993
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 10: if you hear me out for a second. Yeah, Now,

1994
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 10: everybody was saying the same thing about Tua three years ago,

1995
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 10: and I'll give you the comparison they had. They had

1996
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 10: They had DeVante Paka as his number one receiver, He

1997
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 10: had Mike Hesecki as his tight end coach, Flores New

1998
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:46,639
Speaker 10: England head coach as his head.

1999
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:48,679
Speaker 18: Coach, Chadow Say was his OC.

2000
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 10: What did they do as the media, the fan base

2001
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 10: wanted to his head. They said he was gobbage, he

2002
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 10: was a bus What did they do the audience? He

2003
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 10: fires Flores, he brings in Mike McDaniels, he brings into

2004
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 10: he drafts buattles, they bring in Tyreek Hill, and all

2005
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 10: of a sudden he's an MVP candidate. So there's no

2006
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 10: way nobody can't tell me you cannot do that with

2007
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 10: Mac Jones. Where when they asked Jalen Wattle and the

2008
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 10: Vonte Smith who they were to have as a quarterback.

2009
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 10: Before he can even finish the question, they said, Mac Jones,

2010
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 10: I'm not saying he's playing great scene you can you

2011
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 10: can win this off. He can, he can elevate everybody.

2012
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 10: But he can do what Tua is doing. I know

2013
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 10: that for a fact.

2014
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 4: You don't know it for a fact because you've never

2015
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 4: seen him do it.

2016
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: But I haven't seen him do it.

2017
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 10: But I'm comparing it with Tua.

2018
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:40,719
Speaker 4: Everybody is going, so I'll compare apples to apples with Tua.

2019
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 4: They were both at Alabama together with all kinds of talent,

2020
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 4: and Nick Saban didn't think it the way you do.

2021
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 4: And Brian Flores. Brian Flora's lost faith in Tua because

2022
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 4: he couldn't stay healthy and kept removing him from games.

2023
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 4: There's a difference between everybody wanted his head. That's not

2024
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 4: what happened. He couldn't stay on the field.

2025
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 10: But you you can't. You can't deny the similarities for

2026
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 10: the two quarterbacks and the situation and the mentality of

2027
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 10: the media and the fan base.

2028
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 4: All I can tell you is that deny it. Even now,

2029
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 4: there's a strong backing of mac Jones because he has

2030
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 4: nothing around him in Miami. They were all over to

2031
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 4: it because he couldn't stay healthy. No one ever said

2032
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 4: what you're saying about Tua. They're saying that he's not

2033
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 4: he's not the answer. He's too small, he's fragile. And

2034
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 4: I still think a lot of those questions exist for Tua.

2035
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 4: He's small, and he has a concussion history, and if

2036
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 4: I was Mike McDaniel, that would worry me. But when

2037
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 4: he's on the field and he plays, he's played well,

2038
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 4: and that was before he got all those weapons he won.

2039
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 10: All I'm saying is it just it goes a long

2040
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 10: way for the coach and the owner to build around

2041
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:53,600
Speaker 10: your You've got to build a strength. Look what the

2042
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 10: delut Lamar Jackson. They builds around his strength. If you

2043
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 10: put Lamar Jackson and the Brady offense, everybody'd be calling

2044
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 10: him a boss who would just be a little bit

2045
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 10: different because he could run around a little bit and

2046
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 10: make place. All I'm the saying is build around.

2047
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 3: Your quarterback strengths.

2048
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 18: That's what they do with Tuaus.

2049
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 10: I'll look at him.

2050
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: I like the spirited defense, Thank you, Jesse.

2051
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 6: I don't disagree with like ninety nine percent of.

2052
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:17,440
Speaker 4: What I think they should build around them. Absolutely.

2053
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 6: I just think that it's it's too far gone, like

2054
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 6: the moment, like the time has passed to do that.

2055
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 6: Like Tua was two years into his career and then

2056
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 6: in year three they made all of these changes and

2057
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 6: got them the weapons and got them. Mike McDaniel, you're

2058
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 6: going into your fourth mac Jones. You have to make

2059
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 6: a decision on his fifth year option. Then you're gonna

2060
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 6: have to extend him. And like I just I think

2061
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 6: that the leash has run out, like the rookie contract

2062
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 6: and all these things that we talked about maximizing, the

2063
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:48,640
Speaker 6: leash has run out. So unless you're telling me that

2064
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 6: you're gonna be able to do all of those things

2065
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 6: in one off season, which Miami didn't do, by the way,

2066
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,839
Speaker 6: because they drafted Jalen Waddle first and then they traded

2067
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 6: for Tyreek Kill the following off season. So now we're

2068
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 6: talking about doing all these things in Max's fifth year option,

2069
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 6: and we're talking about, well, if he plays while we're

2070
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 6: paying him forty five million dollars a year, and then

2071
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 6: what happens. So I just think that your your clock

2072
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 6: has run out on trying to do it the two away,

2073
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 6: which is the most disappointing.

2074
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 4: Part, and I would agree like they should do more

2075
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 4: to get more around Mac Jones.

2076
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 6: Or the next guy.

2077
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 4: Yep, oh yes, I'm all for trying to get better

2078
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 4: on offense. I'm not arguing with that part of it.

2079
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,719
Speaker 4: I'm just saying this, Like a lot of Patriots fans,

2080
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 4: this Jesse in New Bedford is completely dismissing to his

2081
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 4: role in their success. And I think that the guy

2082
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 4: is pretty good. I think he is clearly better than

2083
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 4: Mac Jones.

2084
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 15: I agree.

2085
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 4: I think he was better than Mac Jones in college.

2086
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 4: He's better than Mac Jones and the pros.

2087
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 5: I agree one hundred percent.

2088
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 8: I mean, I just I don't know why Tua has

2089
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 8: this relationship. I think everything you said was true. Concussion

2090
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 8: history certainly, but he's He's done more for me than

2091
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 8: I've ever seen mac Dow with some of the passes

2092
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 8: that he's made that just leave me shake in my head.

2093
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 4: He's an excellent they have excellent weapons. It's just undeniable. Yeah,

2094
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 4: Wattle Hill is an MVP guy. Wadle and Hill are tremendous.

2095
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 4: They don't have a good offensive line. I mean, the

2096
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 4: one guy they brought in for the offensive line really

2097
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 4: hasn't played at trond Armsteed. He's been hurt. They brought

2098
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 4: in Isaiah Win. That was the guy you couldn't wait

2099
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 4: to get rid of.

2100
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 1: I think you know Tua, Like I said, he's really

2101
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 1: impressed me. The accuracy, the anticipation. I compare it a

2102
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 1: little bit to Drew Brees. He's really done well. And listen,

2103
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:29,679
Speaker 1: look at what he did at Alabama. You know when

2104
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts wasn't playing well in that championship game and

2105
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 1: they put him in at halftime and he wins the

2106
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 1: game for.

2107
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 4: Them as a freshman without having played.

2108
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 1: That's that's that's big balls right there. I mean, I'm sorry,

2109
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:44,799
Speaker 1: but that's that's something.

2110
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 4: Now. We can all argue how good would mac Jones

2111
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 4: be if he had weapons? And I think that's a

2112
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 4: legitimate He would be bad conversation, and I think he

2113
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:54,679
Speaker 4: would be better.

2114
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2115
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 4: I don't think he would look like tour Yeah, I'm

2116
01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 4: not even sure he would look like Brock Purdy.

2117
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he'd be better.

2118
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 4: There's no doubt he'd be better.

2119
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 1: How good would he be though?

2120
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 20: Is he?

2121
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:08,080
Speaker 1: Is he the guy that Evan says you want to

2122
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 1: extend and pay forty five million dollars, And.

2123
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 4: That's the big question. Evan's got that that's what you're

2124
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 4: gonna have to do, has like you have to figure

2125
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 4: out what you're going to do down the road.

2126
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 6: Now, I'm just worried that it could it be better?

2127
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 6: Absolutely will it will be better. It would be better,

2128
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 6: no doubt about it. But I I worry about like

2129
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 6: the David Carr thing, like, have they just ruined him?

2130
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:31,599
Speaker 20: Right?

2131
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 6: And at that point it could it will look better

2132
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 6: because the playmakers will elevate him and make plays for him.

2133
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 6: But is he ever going to be good enough to

2134
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 6: get it to that next step? Or you know, can

2135
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 6: he be put back together mentally physically, you know, his

2136
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 6: his footwork, his processing, like his decision making, like.

2137
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 4: His attitude right, everything that goes into it. Like I

2138
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 4: think sometimes some quarterbacks are made to look better than

2139
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 4: they are because they're just loaded with intangibles. And I

2140
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 4: think his intangibles aren't great. You can't quantify it. But

2141
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 4: I don't think that his handling of the adversity over

2142
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 4: the last year plus now has been great. It's not

2143
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 4: what you're looking for from your quarter The.

2144
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 1: Sad thing about it is the one thing that they

2145
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 1: said that he had in that quarterback class was the

2146
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 1: pro readiness and you know the ability, you know, the

2147
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 1: cerebral part of it. And I think, but we're not

2148
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 1: seeing that.

2149
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 4: Oh no, I think that's what we're seeing.

2150
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 1: Happy feet under pressure and.

2151
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,640
Speaker 4: He's not down. Now that's physical.

2152
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 1: But not surveying the field and that whole thing.

2153
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 8: But I think broke back Mountain, Oh you blow it,

2154
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 8: my my one chance.

2155
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 4: I just say, it's why you have to be like

2156
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 4: Fred and practice in front of a mirror.

2157
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 8: Paul appreciate, though, I mean with two of The funny

2158
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 8: thing for me is like I just honestly had to

2159
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:49,600
Speaker 8: get used to watching him play lefty, like a lefty quarterback.

2160
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:51,679
Speaker 4: Because we're gonna have Michael Pennance next year.

2161
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 8: Like that like took on, like just it looks weird,

2162
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 8: but somehow the ball is exactly where it needs to be.

2163
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:58,520
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's crazy that that.

2164
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 8: Video they have online where they flipped it and they

2165
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:02,599
Speaker 8: like put a mirror of him thrown right and looked

2166
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 8: perfectly phenomal.

2167
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 4: That blew my mind. Part of I do think that

2168
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 4: what McDaniel has done McDaniels mc daniels, I think it

2169
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:14,720
Speaker 4: is very much catered to his skill set too, Like

2170
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 4: it's one thing to have these great weapons, what's wrong

2171
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 4: with that? But he I think that the things that

2172
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 4: they accentuate in that offense are things that he does

2173
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 4: really well. Yeah, and I don't think just anybody would

2174
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 4: do it. I'm not telling you he's the only guy.

2175
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 4: He's not the most talented quarterback out there, not not

2176
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:32,480
Speaker 4: by a long shot. But I think that he's undersold

2177
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 4: a little bit.

2178
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 6: I just in his first two years in the league.

2179
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 6: I never looked at Tua and said, oh, he's broken,

2180
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 6: Like his footwork's all over, the decision makings all over

2181
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,640
Speaker 6: the place. He just consed he had he's yeah, he

2182
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 6: had some durability issues and like physically he's not like

2183
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 6: the cyborgs that I talk about, like the Allen's and

2184
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 6: the mahomes Is and the Herberts, and so he didn't

2185
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 6: have the talent around him, and he was kind of

2186
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 6: just like you know, it just didn't It wasn't as

2187
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 6: explosive or as dynamic. But I had never watched him

2188
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:06,640
Speaker 6: and thought, like, he doesn't know where to go to

2189
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 6: the with the ball. His decision making is broken, Like

2190
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 6: I those are the things that I see with Mac

2191
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 6: right now that I don't think Tua ever got to

2192
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 6: It just wasn't. It just had a ceiling with what

2193
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 6: they had with Tua in the first couple of years.

2194
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 1: Let's get back to the phones. We'll go to Michigan.

2195
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:24,479
Speaker 1: Tony's there. What's up Tony?

2196
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 23: Hey, guys, how are we doing?

2197
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:27,559
Speaker 4: Good time?

2198
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 23: First time?

2199
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 4: Thanks nice?

2200
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 23: So wanted to I just had one kind of quick question. Okay,

2201
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 23: brought up the more things to touch on, So just

2202
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 23: kind of touching on what you guys are just talking about.

2203
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 23: I do think Mac is ruined mentally now. And I

2204
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 23: think it happened that night against the Bears, when you know,

2205
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:49,799
Speaker 23: the whole crowds cheering for is happy to come back.

2206
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:53,000
Speaker 18: In and to douce.

2207
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:55,679
Speaker 23: You know, are we having fun yet? How much fun

2208
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 23: is this rebuild?

2209
01:37:57,720 --> 01:37:59,640
Speaker 6: Okay, we can get we can move on.

2210
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 4: I'm the only one I didn't.

2211
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 8: I didn't think it was going to be I didn't

2212
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:04,679
Speaker 8: think it was going to be this miserable. I didn't

2213
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 8: think it'd be this pleae.

2214
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,759
Speaker 5: But but hey, but hey, real quick, stop, real quick?

2215
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 1: Are you are you?

2216
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 5: Would you be excited new coach Top five pick?

2217
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 15: Would that?

2218
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:13,920
Speaker 5: Would that be fun for you at all. Are you

2219
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 5: gonna be miserable through that too?

2220
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 23: Oh, I'd be with it. I'd be with a long

2221
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 23: term rebuild too. I'm fine with being terrible for a while.

2222
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:23,600
Speaker 23: You know, at the time that they let Brady go,

2223
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 23: I was kind of, you know, not that I wanted

2224
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 23: Brady to go, but I was kind of with you

2225
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 23: that it was you know, an exciting you know, let's

2226
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:29,759
Speaker 23: see what happened.

2227
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 1: He was actually with you.

2228
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 4: It was with you.

2229
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 23: Yeah. And I also I was the Anthony in Taylor

2230
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:43,599
Speaker 23: who won the trivia questions can confirm I'm not in Taylor.

2231
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 23: I'm in Michigan.

2232
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well, big day for you.

2233
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 4: Don't The last the actual question that I had was,

2234
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 4: so do you think the current state of the team.

2235
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 23: Is due to Bill thinking that he's actually making the

2236
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:05,640
Speaker 23: correct move to build a competitive team in the modern NFL?

2237
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 23: Or the pressure from Robert to field a consistently competitive

2238
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 23: team and get back to the playoffs kind of you know,

2239
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:18,080
Speaker 23: made Bill say, well, I'll just do all these stop

2240
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 23: gap findings and these band aid veterans, and you know,

2241
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 23: we're such we'll coach them up to be playoffs competitive.

2242
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 23: But he actually knows thee down that this isn't a

2243
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 23: team that's talented enough to compete, and so I'll just

2244
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:31,280
Speaker 23: leave it at that and take it off.

2245
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a fair question. Like so his ownership, you know,

2246
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 1: still in win now mode, and he's making moves to

2247
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,679
Speaker 1: try to appease that while also looking to the future,

2248
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 1: or you know, to in spite of the future. I

2249
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:51,760
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, you know, like then why would

2250
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:53,719
Speaker 1: you draft a guard in the first round?

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01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 20: Right?

2252
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 9: You know?

2253
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 4: Why? You think? You know? Do you think? You know?

2254
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,559
Speaker 4: We don't know, obviously, But I'm asking what people think

2255
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:02,680
Speaker 4: that going into this season in training camp. Do you

2256
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 4: think Bill said this is not a contender in his mind? No, No,

2257
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 4: I think he felt like they could. I think Roberts'

2258
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 4: comments in the off season would certainly indicate that they

2259
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 4: felt they were better than most people thought they.

2260
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 1: Were going to be.

2261
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 4: Yep, right, So I don't I don't look at either

2262
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:22,840
Speaker 4: side of that. I think Bill obviously is seventy one

2263
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 4: years old, he has some urgency to win, you know,

2264
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:29,679
Speaker 4: and Roberts in his eighties, you know, he probably would

2265
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,240
Speaker 4: like one more shot, yeah, you know, before he turns

2266
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 4: it over to Jonathan. So I can understand both of

2267
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 4: those guys still being in win now mode and it

2268
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 4: just hasn't been a great rebuild from from Brady.

2269
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,680
Speaker 8: Yep, it's the draft picks and I mean it's just

2270
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:47,720
Speaker 8: I don't I mean, I think we have a lot

2271
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,080
Speaker 8: and there's a lot in this question.

2272
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:49,920
Speaker 5: I think it's good.

2273
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, it was good to chew on, you know,

2274
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 8: I mean I think some of it I almost connect to,

2275
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 8: like Nikhil Harry of it all, where it's you know,

2276
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 8: going with him over the AJ Browns or the debos

2277
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 8: of the world, like that signifies the big guy and

2278
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:04,320
Speaker 8: what we want. And then you have the Edelman comments

2279
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 8: of like he didn't look like a first rounder and

2280
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:08,680
Speaker 8: so it's you know, to me, I find in my

2281
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 8: thought process going to like, was he too attached to

2282
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 8: an old style and should he have been more had

2283
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:19,000
Speaker 8: more foresight into what direction the league was going and

2284
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 8: has been going for a long time, frankly, you know,

2285
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 8: and that they were able to, you know, as everybody says,

2286
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:25,680
Speaker 8: use the human spackle to kind of keep you in

2287
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 8: those shootouts when they did happen against Kansas City, and

2288
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:29,600
Speaker 8: you know, you knew you had that gear in the

2289
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:31,599
Speaker 8: back pocket because you had Tom. But you know, really,

2290
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:33,680
Speaker 8: if you stuck another quarterback in there, would you have

2291
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 8: really had that gear in those games?

2292
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:37,240
Speaker 1: Like you know, maybe you would have won other games

2293
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 1: where you're able.

2294
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 8: To tough guys out and we're running over them and

2295
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 8: those kind of things. But you know, I think that

2296
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 8: that's what it really boils down to. As much as

2297
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 8: Tom covered up a lot, I think it really came

2298
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:47,800
Speaker 8: to the forefront when you got in those games where

2299
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 8: you had to score a lot of points and.

2300
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 1: He just went perserved. But in terms of the rebuild

2301
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 1: that he was talking about. You know, I remember before

2302
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:57,480
Speaker 1: Tom left, but toward the end we would have the discussion.

2303
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 1: People would say, Brady Lee, you're gonna suck, and we're like, maybe,

2304
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:05,559
Speaker 1: but it doesn't have to be that way. You know,

2305
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 1: when you lose your best quote that you don't have

2306
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 1: to suck there, you know, you there is it the

2307
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 1: other alternative road that you go down where you're okay,

2308
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 1: like you not as good as you were when you

2309
01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 1: had the greatest player ever, But it doesn't necessarily mean

2310
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:21,200
Speaker 1: you have to suck.

2311
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 4: I would say people that that said that at the

2312
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:27,640
Speaker 4: time probably looked at the roster and said, this is

2313
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:31,880
Speaker 4: a guy who's dragging every ounce of success team.

2314
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 1: But maybe you know, okay, we can't rely on the quarterback.

2315
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 1: We need to boost the roster. Unfortunately, the series of

2316
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, things that have happened since Brady left have

2317
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 1: been bad moves and right, you know, I mean, but

2318
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 1: focal point, but think about think about Dominic Easily that

2319
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 1: was terrible while Brady was here, and they overcame it.

2320
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 1: You know, I got such a good point.

2321
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 8: No, we couldn't write it, but I feel like you

2322
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 8: could write this as just through the lens of his

2323
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:06,559
Speaker 8: first round picks. Go right through those first round picks

2324
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 8: from like whatever fifteen sixteen seven, chart that and say

2325
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:12,040
Speaker 8: why did they pick this guy? What direction was the

2326
01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 8: league headed, and what did he give them? And you know,

2327
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:15,640
Speaker 8: I think that that. I mean, I don't want to

2328
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:17,479
Speaker 8: pound the draft too, because it's like you have to

2329
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 8: be able to hit in free agency. But I just

2330
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 8: think that the selection of Isaiah Win, an undersized guy

2331
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:24,599
Speaker 8: that might be a guard, a running back, Sony Michelle,

2332
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 8: not even that explosive argument.

2333
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 4: That they missed every year since high Tower in Jones

2334
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:33,160
Speaker 4: until Gonzales.

2335
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then he got hurt before again.

2336
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:35,639
Speaker 4: And then he got hurt.

2337
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:37,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it, you know.

2338
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 4: And they're not all like colossal, like Dominic Easley was

2339
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 4: a bust, right, you know. Malcolm Brown played but I

2340
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 4: would say, man, that's a miss. You know. Isaiah Win played,

2341
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:51,559
Speaker 4: but I would say that's a miss, you know, And

2342
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,719
Speaker 4: then NI kill Harry bust. There is no other definition.

2343
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 8: It's like other than high Tower and Jones. Like the

2344
01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 8: real game changers that they got over the years were

2345
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 8: kind of dumb luck, but somewhat just dumb luck, like

2346
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 8: Gronk worked out, Edelman worked out.

2347
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:09,040
Speaker 6: Like That's what I always wonder if it is right.

2348
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 6: It's like what would have happened in the twenty tens

2349
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 6: if Edelman doesn't come out of nowhere as a seventh

2350
01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:19,479
Speaker 6: round pick and Gronk's back doesn't hold up as long

2351
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 6: as it did, And like they are in a situation

2352
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:25,479
Speaker 6: like would they then have gone after weapons? Like would they?

2353
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:25,680
Speaker 3: You know?

2354
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:28,120
Speaker 6: And like they did make the Brandon Cooks trade, I guess,

2355
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 6: but like then they got rid of him the very

2356
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 6: next year instead of giving him a contract extension, So

2357
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:35,439
Speaker 6: like would they have been more aggressive like they and

2358
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:38,599
Speaker 6: they got I don't want to use the word lucky

2359
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 6: with Gronk because that they identified him in the second

2360
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 6: round and they drafted him in the top fifty, and

2361
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 6: they they made the pick.

2362
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 4: But and I get what what Mike is saying. Yeah,

2363
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 4: like a lot of other people, I did that too,

2364
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:50,440
Speaker 4: but couldn't pick a right. They didn't have Bill's.

2365
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 6: Gravity right, and like a bunch of like you know,

2366
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 6: if that is like what they're trying to do again now,

2367
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:59,680
Speaker 6: is like they're hoping that the Mario Douglas hits in

2368
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:03,599
Speaker 6: the same round or Taekwon Thorton hits in the second round,

2369
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:07,720
Speaker 6: and these picks are not working out, and it just

2370
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 6: it does you don't just always stumble into it that way,

2371
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 6: Like it doesn't always just like it's not going to

2372
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:14,640
Speaker 6: always work out for you that way.

2373
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 8: I think you got a little glimpse of it in

2374
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 8: early twenty thirteen, where after Welker had left and you

2375
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:20,640
Speaker 8: had Gronk coming off an injury, so I don't think

2376
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 8: he was available.

2377
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 4: Early in the season.

2378
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 8: You brought in Amandola, who got banged up in that

2379
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 8: first game where they pulled out a miracle against the Bills,

2380
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 8: and Edelman wasn't Edelman yet and you saw like who

2381
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:31,439
Speaker 8: they were bringing in.

2382
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 5: Tompkins, You drab Thompson, you pick up Kemberrell Tompkins. Who's

2383
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:37,600
Speaker 5: the guy with the Colts, guy with the with the

2384
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 5: advisor that he played a little bit in twenty thirteen,

2385
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:41,799
Speaker 5: Austin Cawley.

2386
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 8: You know, like, I think you're right, Evan in that

2387
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 8: if those guys hadn't emerged, if Gronk hadn't come back

2388
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:49,040
Speaker 8: and given them what he gave them in you know,

2389
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:51,920
Speaker 8: twenty fourteen, twenty sixteen, or twenty fifteen, you know, those

2390
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:54,120
Speaker 8: those ones where he was such a big part of

2391
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 8: the championship. I think it would have been similar to

2392
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 8: this pretty quick by like fourteen fifteen if you don't

2393
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:01,639
Speaker 8: have Edelman and Ammadola and those guys emerging.

2394
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:04,519
Speaker 6: And I just think, like the landscape and this is

2395
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 6: like where my whole thing comes in, with like the

2396
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 6: the of that, you know, the approach, the philosophy. You know,

2397
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:16,360
Speaker 6: guys like a Gronkowski that are that talented and that

2398
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 6: good that they go so much earlier now and they're

2399
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:22,559
Speaker 6: worth so much more to teams like you don't you

2400
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 6: don't just get Julian Edelman in the seventh round anymore,

2401
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:28,880
Speaker 6: like that just doesn't normally happen like it does because

2402
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 6: receivers go much earlier in the draft because they're more

2403
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:34,920
Speaker 6: valuable in today's NFL. Or if you know, you have

2404
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:38,360
Speaker 6: guys like that like Edelman and Gronk, you know, signed

2405
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 6: that contract to what like right when he was eligible,

2406
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:42,479
Speaker 6: right like two years into it or something like that

2407
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:45,519
Speaker 6: like that, like Gronkowski in today's NFL is twenty five

2408
01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:49,360
Speaker 6: million dollar player. Like that, They're not gonna pay Gronkowski

2409
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 6: twenty five million dollars a year and.

2410
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,559
Speaker 4: So like the often overlooked portion of this, right, So.

2411
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:57,639
Speaker 6: Like all those guys and I think, uh mister Krafflick

2412
01:46:57,680 --> 01:47:00,839
Speaker 6: even said it on like that that recent news interview

2413
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 6: radio interview he did recently about you know how Brady

2414
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:07,600
Speaker 6: did take less money to play for the Patriots to

2415
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 6: like that doesn't that's not happening anymore. Like all these

2416
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:14,439
Speaker 6: guys are getting paid top dollars. So if Gronkowski, if

2417
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 6: you fast forward his career ten years later, like are

2418
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 6: the Patriots paying him thirty million dollars a year to

2419
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:20,759
Speaker 6: catch passes?

2420
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:22,799
Speaker 4: Does he get to a second contract?

2421
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up Eldred, Hey lady, now.

2422
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:35,719
Speaker 5: Actually face Yeah, welcome to my world.

2423
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 18: I've been staying there for years. And Paul, I love

2424
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 18: you and bread fight on a great Mama the pu. Yeah,

2425
01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:47,479
Speaker 18: but you're right, Paul, You're right about strange. I called

2426
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:49,960
Speaker 18: him a bus y'all laughed at me. I called him

2427
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 18: a bus day one of.

2428
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:54,800
Speaker 4: The draft, fairness Sandy, and I called him a bu

2429
01:47:55,400 --> 01:48:00,800
Speaker 4: during OTAs of his rookie year. Wow, we were as

2430
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 4: soon as he couldn't move, yeah.

2431
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:05,000
Speaker 18: Could move right, he couldn't catch, he couldn't get over,

2432
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:06,680
Speaker 18: and then he can't get over in the NFL. That's

2433
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:09,759
Speaker 18: what I kept saying. But my question is this. Okay,

2434
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:13,000
Speaker 18: nobody ever thought about this one though. But let's say

2435
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:18,680
Speaker 18: end of the year, mister Craft tells h phoeb, you

2436
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:21,720
Speaker 18: got another chance to do this with drafted in the

2437
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:22,360
Speaker 18: top five.

2438
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:24,880
Speaker 3: Well you think he do with that pick?

2439
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:26,519
Speaker 18: I'm gonna tell you what I know.

2440
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:26,880
Speaker 1: You'll do.

2441
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:29,400
Speaker 18: Pray down to get back you picked if they give

2442
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:32,120
Speaker 18: you the team up from there. That's my that's my object.

2443
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:33,160
Speaker 18: What do you think he'll do?

2444
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:35,640
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Well, Aldred, would you

2445
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 1: be pissed if he did that?

2446
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 18: I'd be pissed as hell. Yeah, of the whole thing.

2447
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:45,479
Speaker 18: And I'm like you, Fred, I'm not killing me. Paul

2448
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:50,599
Speaker 18: teared down, start over scratch, you know, none of his system,

2449
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:53,360
Speaker 18: none of that. And Evan, I agree with you can

2450
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:56,680
Speaker 18: get him the top five quarter back. He won't trade him,

2451
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:58,960
Speaker 18: right because he ain't treated what you god right. And

2452
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:02,120
Speaker 18: and like I said once, y'all laughed at me about this,

2453
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 18: what a great quarterback leaves the team? And I gave

2454
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 18: you five examples. The team always goes down and the

2455
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:11,280
Speaker 18: coach still be there and it's still it's the quarterback,

2456
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,640
Speaker 18: not the coach. Y'all laughed at me. But proof and

2457
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:19,120
Speaker 18: the proof pulling cowboys did it. Seems he went through

2458
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:22,920
Speaker 18: it until they got being dolphin's going through it. Cowboys

2459
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:26,880
Speaker 18: didn't be back yet, you know, so proof in the pudding.

2460
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:27,720
Speaker 3: Thank you?

2461
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:31,000
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Elgrin. Well, you can't argue.

2462
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:34,840
Speaker 6: Right, I am definitely worried about not just like the

2463
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:38,120
Speaker 6: coaching of the quarterback himself, but is he just going

2464
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:40,880
Speaker 6: to put the next quarterback in with Vederian Low as

2465
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 6: his right tackle and DeVante Parker as his number one

2466
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:47,280
Speaker 6: receiver and like just do the same roster building around

2467
01:49:47,320 --> 01:49:50,240
Speaker 6: the quarterback all over again, because that's what you're doing.

2468
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:52,880
Speaker 6: If you draft another quarterback, you're hitting the reset button

2469
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,760
Speaker 6: on the whole thing, like you're restarting the clock on

2470
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 6: the rookie contract and you're starting from scratch. And I

2471
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 6: have like more confidence in him coaching the quarterback and

2472
01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:06,280
Speaker 6: doing the whole like you know, Belichick, you know magic

2473
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:08,160
Speaker 6: eight ball thing of like what's gonna have you know,

2474
01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:10,000
Speaker 6: what the defenses are gonna do, and this, that and

2475
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 6: the other thing. But like, is he gonna put the

2476
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:15,919
Speaker 6: talent around the quarterback necessary for Drake May to succeed

2477
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,719
Speaker 6: or Michael Pennix to succeed like he didn't with Mac,

2478
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 6: So like why am I believing that he will?

2479
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:22,640
Speaker 8: I don't know where they're gonna end up, but I

2480
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:24,800
Speaker 8: just I feel like there's gonna be so much more

2481
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:28,000
Speaker 8: to put together, put back together than just Mac or

2482
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 8: the quarterback.

2483
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 5: Or you know, like it's if this season continues on

2484
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:34,440
Speaker 5: this trajectory, you're gonna have to restore trust, restore belief.

2485
01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:34,679
Speaker 4: In the system.

2486
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:37,400
Speaker 8: And it's just it's hard for me to see how

2487
01:50:37,439 --> 01:50:39,559
Speaker 8: that happens unless there's significant moves made.

2488
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:43,519
Speaker 1: Spein Fresno writes in Fred asked Christian and Attleborough, is

2489
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:45,840
Speaker 1: this Chris with a tim? The poor guy says yes,

2490
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:48,439
Speaker 1: because that's how his name is spelt, and Fred's like, no,

2491
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:53,640
Speaker 1: it isn't. Absolutely Evan has mentioned tanking happens from the

2492
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:56,400
Speaker 1: GM on up. Frankly, I have no idea what's in

2493
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:58,799
Speaker 1: Bill's head. Maybe Bill is so confident that he believes

2494
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 1: he has time to rebuilding. It's still catch shula. Maybe

2495
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:04,240
Speaker 1: his contract allows for such a scenario in ways we

2496
01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:07,519
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's highly unlikely Bill is tanking.

2497
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:10,479
Speaker 1: But if he was, wouldn't it look much like it does?

2498
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:13,160
Speaker 1: What moves on or off the field. Do you look

2499
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:15,719
Speaker 1: at and say, if they were tanking, you wouldn't expect

2500
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:18,639
Speaker 1: to see that. I'm seeing more that fits a tank

2501
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:21,760
Speaker 1: than doesn't. But of course it could just be that

2502
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:22,800
Speaker 1: the program sucks.

2503
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 15: Now.

2504
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:27,280
Speaker 6: I think that's like the only way that you can

2505
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker 6: look at it in a positive light is that he

2506
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 6: knows that they were going to be bad, and so like,

2507
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:34,800
Speaker 6: you know, starting Vederian Lowe at right tackle and not

2508
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:36,360
Speaker 6: doing anything to make it better.

2509
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 4: Again, I don't I don't think that there they have

2510
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:42,599
Speaker 4: a lot of telltale signs of tanking because and I've

2511
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:45,400
Speaker 4: gone through this ad nauseum, it's not an effort thing.

2512
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 4: It's a personnel thing. So I'm not going to go

2513
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:50,639
Speaker 4: through that whole thing. But I think they still tend

2514
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:53,800
Speaker 4: to you know, like first month of the season, Adrian

2515
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:55,719
Speaker 4: Phillips wasn't playing that much and all of a sudden

2516
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:58,800
Speaker 4: he's playing more and Mapu plays nothing. Like I think

2517
01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 4: you would be turning it over or as many times

2518
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:04,519
Speaker 4: as you could to young unproven players when you had

2519
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:05,920
Speaker 4: an option if.

2520
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:08,360
Speaker 6: Those young unproven players are better, Like what if you

2521
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 6: think they're better in practice than those.

2522
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:11,280
Speaker 4: So now you're going deep dive.

2523
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 1: I listen.

2524
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 4: I don't because this is.

2525
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:16,839
Speaker 6: Because like to the was it Speed or whoever emailed

2526
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:19,599
Speaker 6: and that said that, Like that's that's when I say

2527
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:21,400
Speaker 6: that tanking starts at the top, Like those are the

2528
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 6: types of decisions that you make where it's like, you know,

2529
01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:27,320
Speaker 6: we're not we're not playing the best players or we're

2530
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 6: not getting the best players because you're because.

2531
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:32,320
Speaker 4: You know what else you're not doing. You're not immediately

2532
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:35,439
Speaker 4: activating a veteran like Riley Reef of off of IR

2533
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:36,680
Speaker 4: if you're tanking.

2534
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:37,960
Speaker 6: No I don't think the Patriots are tanking.

2535
01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:41,240
Speaker 4: No, No, I'm just saying like that's those are the

2536
01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:45,719
Speaker 4: examples I'm talking about, Like if you're tanking, yeah, Verderian

2537
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:47,680
Speaker 4: Lowe's playing, but you you would have found a way

2538
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:50,799
Speaker 4: to get Tyrone Wheatley on the field too, and you didn't.

2539
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 4: And you know, listen, it's a flawed roster. So there's

2540
01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:58,080
Speaker 4: not a lot of examples. Arizona got rid of everybody

2541
01:52:58,479 --> 01:53:00,840
Speaker 4: and they just let all of these on even guys play.

2542
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:02,759
Speaker 4: They have guys that have never even heard of playing

2543
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 4: in Arizona, like literally names I don't even remember going

2544
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:09,639
Speaker 4: through in the draft process. I'm sure you and Alex do. No,

2545
01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:12,360
Speaker 4: I'm making fun of you. You definitely have a wider

2546
01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:15,320
Speaker 4: breath of prospects than I do. But I don't even

2547
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:17,839
Speaker 4: remember these guys in like these recent drafts.

2548
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:19,400
Speaker 5: Is there a financial component?

2549
01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:21,240
Speaker 8: Who do you think of like guys who have certain

2550
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:24,920
Speaker 8: playing you know, playtime things or escalators or are we

2551
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:25,439
Speaker 8: now like.

2552
01:53:25,479 --> 01:53:27,639
Speaker 4: So Trent tan Brown would be one of those guys,

2553
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:29,679
Speaker 4: Like you're not going to bench him and then subject

2554
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:33,479
Speaker 4: yourself to that criticism if he's healthy, you know, if

2555
01:53:33,479 --> 01:53:35,800
Speaker 4: he's not healthy, he's not healthy, that's different. But he

2556
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:39,600
Speaker 4: has played playtime incentives that you know, you owe it

2557
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:41,080
Speaker 4: to him to give him an opportunity to reach.

2558
01:53:41,160 --> 01:53:44,000
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Dan's in Michigan. What's up, Dan?

2559
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:51,439
Speaker 24: Hey, guys, we expected, the wide spread expectation with our

2560
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:54,400
Speaker 24: Brian coming in was the offense would be better. Obviously

2561
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:54,800
Speaker 24: has not.

2562
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:55,639
Speaker 17: Now.

2563
01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 24: Some of that obviously is due to the paces that

2564
01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:02,000
Speaker 24: are involved, but it seems that it goes beyond the

2565
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:05,400
Speaker 24: paces in terms of Brian not having as much success

2566
01:54:05,439 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 24: as we expected. You know, there's been some decision making

2567
01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:13,240
Speaker 24: that's questionable, you know, throwing it on third, second and

2568
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:17,639
Speaker 24: third and short, running for it on third and long,

2569
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:20,360
Speaker 24: you know, second and third and long. Why do you

2570
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:24,680
Speaker 24: think that O'Brien hasn't had more of an impact on

2571
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:27,439
Speaker 24: the offense. Why we haven't seen more success, more of

2572
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:29,160
Speaker 24: the success that we expected from him.

2573
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:31,599
Speaker 1: I just think it's simply talent players.

2574
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:35,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I actually, like I I think we get

2575
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 6: like not to pick on Dan, but like I think

2576
01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 6: we get way too caught up in play calling, like

2577
01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 6: you know, like I think it matters in certain spots

2578
01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:45,360
Speaker 6: of the game and certain moments of the game and

2579
01:54:45,400 --> 01:54:48,280
Speaker 6: things like that, but like everybody gets all you know,

2580
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 6: Alex and I argue, boy, this on catch twenty two

2581
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:52,200
Speaker 6: all the time. Why are they throwing it on third

2582
01:54:52,240 --> 01:54:54,240
Speaker 6: and one? Well, because they got a look that makes

2583
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:56,480
Speaker 6: it that say that throwing it here is better than

2584
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:57,560
Speaker 6: running it Like it's not.

2585
01:54:58,280 --> 01:55:01,360
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we haven't really got had a enough to judge

2586
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:06,000
Speaker 1: O'Brien on like those moments. Yeah, like right now, the

2587
01:55:06,040 --> 01:55:07,760
Speaker 1: talent is just not good enough.

2588
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:09,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think now you need to see him though,

2589
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:11,200
Speaker 8: start to maybe just try to figure out a way

2590
01:55:11,240 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 8: to manufacture points.

2591
01:55:12,680 --> 01:55:15,200
Speaker 4: Can I go Billy o apologist for a second?

2592
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:15,480
Speaker 1: Sure?

2593
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:17,680
Speaker 4: And I listen, it is what it is. They haven't

2594
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:20,440
Speaker 4: been any more successful offensive with than they were last year.

2595
01:55:20,440 --> 01:55:24,160
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to use Revision's history, but I do

2596
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:28,200
Speaker 4: think that they they have faced a fair amount of

2597
01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 4: really good defenses so far, and it's a small sample

2598
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:35,280
Speaker 4: because you only played six games. Sunday was the first

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01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:38,480
Speaker 4: game that I thought, really, you know, in the last

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01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 4: five Philly, I thought it was a promising start. Then

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01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:45,120
Speaker 4: they kind of went. But Sunday I thought it looked

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01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:47,320
Speaker 4: a little bit more like Okay, I saw some of

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01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:51,200
Speaker 4: these games last year and not coincidentally, he was against

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01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:53,600
Speaker 4: the first defense. You know, it was the Raiders this year,

2605
01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:56,360
Speaker 4: it was Detroit last year. You know, those are the

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01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:59,200
Speaker 4: you know, the Green Bay had a terrible defense last year.

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01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:02,040
Speaker 4: When they played him early in the year, they kind

2608
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:07,200
Speaker 4: of got better. I think, you know, seventeen twenty four points,

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01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 4: that's kind of what they've been. Yeah, now the threes

2610
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:14,640
Speaker 4: and the zeros, like, what are we doing? But Dallas

2611
01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:16,480
Speaker 4: and New Orleans are pretty good defensive and now he

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01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:19,680
Speaker 4: shouldn't be shut yet. I'm not trying to. I'm only

2613
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:22,960
Speaker 4: apologizing so far. But I do think if they played

2614
01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:26,480
Speaker 4: that caliber of defense on a regular basis last year,

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01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:28,640
Speaker 4: you would have had some really really bad games, just

2616
01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:29,120
Speaker 4: like you did.

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01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:31,880
Speaker 6: I think the design of the offense, too, like is

2618
01:56:31,960 --> 01:56:35,800
Speaker 6: just significantly more advanced and better. Like I'm not even

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01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:39,720
Speaker 6: just talking about like necessarily like the actual play design itself,

2620
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:43,240
Speaker 6: but just like the answers involved in the offense, like

2621
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:46,440
Speaker 6: you know, the answers for the quarterback, like that, you know,

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01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:49,480
Speaker 6: the throat to Zeke on Sunday where they get a

2623
01:56:49,480 --> 01:56:52,160
Speaker 6: blitz and they block it incorrectly, but he still has

2624
01:56:52,200 --> 01:56:53,840
Speaker 6: a hot to get the ball out and so he

2625
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:57,280
Speaker 6: doesn't get destroyed. You know, the answers for the receivers,

2626
01:56:57,320 --> 01:56:59,720
Speaker 6: the stacks and the bunches and the motions and like

2627
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:03,960
Speaker 6: things like it's definitely just a completely different conversation. The

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01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:06,880
Speaker 6: one thing that I like think that Billy O hasn't

2629
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 6: brought it back is like the discipline, like in terms

2630
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:14,560
Speaker 6: of you know, like running routes correctly all the time,

2631
01:57:15,080 --> 01:57:17,920
Speaker 6: you know, the penalties, this procedural stuff like you know,

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01:57:17,960 --> 01:57:20,520
Speaker 6: he said it on Tuesday, and I thought both of

2633
01:57:20,520 --> 01:57:22,280
Speaker 6: his answers are really good. And you know, he said

2634
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:24,000
Speaker 6: he called the start of the game with the two

2635
01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:26,720
Speaker 6: penalties ridiculous, and like you could tell that it was

2636
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:28,920
Speaker 6: just like he wanted to use a different word, but

2637
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:31,640
Speaker 6: he used ridiculous and then he used the delay. He said,

2638
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:33,520
Speaker 6: the delay of game on the last drive of the

2639
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:36,440
Speaker 6: game was terrible, and he was like, those are things

2640
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:39,160
Speaker 6: that we just absolutely have to stop doing.

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01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:45,520
Speaker 1: Mark's in San Francisco. What's up, Mark, You're the last caller? Yeah, Hey,

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01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:50,040
Speaker 1: so okay.

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01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 25: A new to team that is experiencing, thinking or talking

2644
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:57,000
Speaker 25: about tanking, so for would be maybe very basic question,

2645
01:57:57,080 --> 01:58:00,000
Speaker 25: but I think a lot of you know, be right,

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01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 25: and people talk about trading them, trading away pretty much everybody,

2647
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:09,600
Speaker 25: And I was just wondering what the point is of that,

2648
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:14,400
Speaker 25: or no one's talking about, you know, keeping foundational players. Well,

2649
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:19,160
Speaker 25: I understand, you know, get rid of an expensive player,

2650
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 25: but we have a lot of cap space next year

2651
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:27,280
Speaker 25: and so, and we need good players if you're you know,

2652
01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:29,840
Speaker 25: want to continue, you know, try to be good in

2653
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:30,360
Speaker 25: the future.

2654
01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:32,480
Speaker 1: So I guess I, well, it depends on who you're

2655
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:34,880
Speaker 1: talking about. Like, if it's a good player who is

2656
01:58:34,920 --> 01:58:37,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the contract, you're like, okay, is

2657
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:39,960
Speaker 1: this guy going to be the long you know, part

2658
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:42,880
Speaker 1: of our foundation. So it's and it's not so much

2659
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:46,200
Speaker 1: freeing up cap space money, it's getting draft assets. So

2660
01:58:46,360 --> 01:58:49,600
Speaker 1: even if they're fifth round picks, sixth round picks, you're

2661
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:52,080
Speaker 1: building ammunition in the event that you want to move

2662
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:53,040
Speaker 1: up and make a move.

2663
01:58:53,200 --> 01:58:55,280
Speaker 4: So in Mark, one of the things is a lot

2664
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:57,760
Speaker 4: of people myself included in all of us on the show,

2665
01:58:58,160 --> 01:59:01,720
Speaker 4: we give a long list of names of possibilities, you know,

2666
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:05,240
Speaker 4: the Hunter, Henry's, the Kyle Duglas, the Jalen Mills, is

2667
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:09,280
Speaker 4: josh Us right, Kendrick Bourne. I don't think anybody would

2668
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:12,240
Speaker 4: suggest they're going to trade like a half dozen players.

2669
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:16,200
Speaker 4: You take out of that group one maybe two, And

2670
01:59:16,240 --> 01:59:18,160
Speaker 4: as Fred said, if you can get a sixth round

2671
01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:20,840
Speaker 4: pick and then you you know, so you add you know,

2672
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:23,800
Speaker 4: two or three Day three picks, maybe you can package

2673
01:59:23,800 --> 01:59:26,880
Speaker 4: those and get into Day two with them somehow, you know,

2674
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:29,080
Speaker 4: Like I think that's the thought process. But no one

2675
01:59:29,120 --> 01:59:32,360
Speaker 4: would would suggest they're going to take all of these guys,

2676
01:59:33,160 --> 01:59:35,040
Speaker 4: all entering the last year of their contract and trade

2677
01:59:35,080 --> 01:59:37,280
Speaker 4: them all because you're not going to get anything for

2678
01:59:37,400 --> 01:59:39,160
Speaker 4: all of them. And it's not really just.

2679
01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 6: Like if a team, a contender like you know, Kansas

2680
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:45,320
Speaker 6: City needs receiver help or something like that, calls and

2681
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:47,400
Speaker 6: offers you a second round pick for Kendrick Bourne, you

2682
01:59:47,480 --> 01:59:49,280
Speaker 6: have to do it, like you have to take that.

2683
01:59:49,320 --> 01:59:51,680
Speaker 4: Trade some team that might just look like they need

2684
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:53,720
Speaker 4: some depth and pass rush goes for OOJ.

2685
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:54,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know.

2686
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:56,600
Speaker 4: And and those are the kinds of deals I think

2687
01:59:56,600 --> 01:59:59,280
Speaker 4: would make some sense. The one guy that I think

2688
01:59:59,320 --> 02:00:01,960
Speaker 4: could get you some unfortunately, is hurt. Like if you

2689
02:00:01,960 --> 02:00:04,800
Speaker 4: wanted to trade Judon, yeah, I think you might be

2690
02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:07,360
Speaker 4: able to get something for him, but that's going to

2691
02:00:07,400 --> 02:00:08,760
Speaker 4: be an offseason trade if they do.

2692
02:00:08,760 --> 02:00:10,560
Speaker 1: All, right, that's going to do it for this edition

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02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:14,400
Speaker 1: of Patriots Unfiltered, Get Ready for the Playbook with John Rook.

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02:00:14,440 --> 02:00:16,839
Speaker 1: They're up next, up Inside. Got a lot of emails

2695
02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:20,080
Speaker 1: that we didn't get to. Maybe John will in his show.

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02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:29,600
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