1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Animals are amazing. You guys remember back when Discovery was 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: our parent company and we all got DVD collection of 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Planet Earth? Was it called Daddy Davy narrating in his 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: dults it tones right? Uh, this, this excellent documentary series 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: is one of many things that inspired us a while 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: back to ask a question, are there any unknown large 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: animals out there? We know that there are new species 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: of a lot of small animals discovered in the modern day, 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: but what about the big stuff? Any big cats? You know? 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: Any any um love craft? Yeah, lizards, love crafty monsters 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: in the deep. And if so, why aren't we finding 12 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: their pooper bones? That's the question. Yeah, Oh, I don't know. 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: Let's get into it. From UFOs to psychic powers and 14 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. You can 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: turn back now or learn this stuff they don't want 16 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: you to know. Hello, welcome back to the show. My 17 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: name is Matt, My name is no Guerrilla Boy Brown. 18 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: They called me Ben you are you? And that makes 19 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know. That's a 20 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: that's an interesting moniker and it's uh, guerrilla Boy has 21 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: taken the office by storm. That's what my girlfriend calls me. Yeah, 22 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: it's just weird that she does it in front of 23 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 1: other people. But you know, if you're happy, you're happy. 24 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: I think she means it as a compliment. I think so. 25 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: I think because she says it with a note of admiration. 26 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: It's because I'm really mad good at sign language. I 27 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: thought it was a chest here. So we're talking today 28 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: about something we've returned to often in the show, and 29 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: that is cryptids. Right, we're let's be honest, folks, we're 30 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: living in a world where there's ecological collapse. We do 31 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: it in the movie trailer voice in a world on 32 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: the verge of ecological collapse. Three men, four counting their 33 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: super producer Tristan, and one gorilla boy. Wait now we 34 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: have five people. Okay. So we've talked about this before, 35 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: and one of the big quests for the human species 36 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: has always been a quest of discovery, Right, what can 37 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: we find at the edges of the map? The thing 38 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: most people want to find, the real fun stuff would be, 39 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: of course, acrypted. But what is encrypted? Yeah, that's a 40 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: fun term, but what does it mean? Right? Well, it's 41 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: an umbrella term that describes a whole host of different 42 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: types of creatures that are all rumored to exist. This 43 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: is very important that it's rumored. There's no scientific proof 44 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: of the existence of these creatures. The fascination it still 45 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: remains right, and the study of cryptods is known as cryptozoology. Gosh, 46 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: that's fun to say. And uh, we have an much 47 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: older exploration of this. One of the first episodes we 48 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: ever did was an update or not an update, I 49 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: guess it was an exploration of our videos on cryptozoology. Ben, Yeah, 50 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: Cryptozoology show notes, just for a quick recap to give 51 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: everybody the lay of the land. Oh and Matt, you 52 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: have your mothman shirt on today. I just noticed that 53 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: I did on purpose. You got gorilla boy, Mothman. Tristan 54 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 1: will get to you. I didn't mean that to sound 55 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: so menacing. We'll find a nickname. But your next buddy, 56 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: your next Uh. We gotta let the bad rout of 57 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: the bag here. Cryptozoology is, at the very least a 58 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: controversial field. The vast majority of scientists and any other 59 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: related subjects zoologists, biologist, ecologists, and so on. I think 60 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: that cryptozoology is essentially a pseudo science. Yeah. A lot 61 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: of times these scientists with the capital as believe that 62 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: the cryptozoologists suffer from confirmation bias, from believing so wholeheartedly 63 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: that these things exist. They will take evidence that they 64 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: find and kind of make it tell the story that 65 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: they wish it to be, sort of cherry pick like, 66 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: like if I like a zoologist would say, there are 67 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: rumors of gorilla boy out in the wild, let's see 68 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: if it's true, and their critique is that their criticism 69 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: rather is that a cryptozoologist instead would say, I know, 70 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: guerrilla boy is real. I will find the evidence that 71 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: supports this. Yeah, it's that whole getting caught up in 72 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: the thrill of the hunt thing. Then, and of course, 73 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: throughout the centuries, various experts have investigated claims of previously 74 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: unidentified animals, and every year the search for new organisms continues. 75 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: But but what sort of animal would be considered cryptids? 76 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you can describe almost anything you know as 77 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: a crypto that fits in the following categories. So we've 78 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: got um subjects of eyewitness accounts, historically located creatures from 79 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: specific region or regions, and most importantly, they are they 80 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,559 Speaker 1: have to be you know, this is kind of the kicker. 81 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: They have to not be acknowledged by the scientific community. Yes, 82 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: there's not imaginary. Yeah so they So we would have, 83 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: you know, we would have like old man Frederick saying, 84 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: I've lived in these woods for now in fifty years, 85 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: and every moon of this night the skunk cape comes 86 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: out of the swamps. He does come out down swamps. 87 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. When I'm on that porch sitting 88 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: out there, you're here to whisper to win you hear them, 89 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: hear them, grasshopper. Well, it is getting weird this accident 90 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: right here with me, with me out as. I want 91 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: to take a moment to say, this is one of 92 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: those things, the things that I just said, them being imaginary, 93 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: where some folks ding us or me or whatever for 94 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: like not believing fully in the things that we describe. 95 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: That's not the point. This stuff is fascinating to think about, 96 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: and there are obviously more compelling examples than others. I 97 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: just want to throw that out there. I don't think 98 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: that that's fine. Large cryptids are imaginary, but I just 99 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: think it's funny that one of the categories that they 100 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: need to fit in is that they are not scientifically 101 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: acknowledged to exist, right, And it's a weird thing because 102 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: once they are acknowledged, then they become no longer a cryptod. 103 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: So this this weird umbrella term applies more to the 104 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: position of a proposed organism, right, because once it's a genuine, 105 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: scientifically acknowledge organism, then it's just it's not mysterious anymore. 106 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: Goes in the books of Creatures, it's just a stink 107 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: bird skunk Cape. Skunkcape is a crypted isn't it a 108 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: great name? So the outlines that Noel provided the categories 109 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: there perfectly incorporate all the famous cryptids, you know, like 110 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: the big blockbuster cryptids, big Foot, Locknest, Monster, Godzilla, Godzilla. Yeah, 111 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if that fits in, but maybe maybe 112 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: Well Godzilla came from the ocean, right, and a creature 113 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: of that size could easily could easily disappearance to the ocean. 114 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: And I want to say too real quick, not to 115 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: get too derailed, but some of the most bizarre and 116 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: fascinating creatures that border on seeming as close to like 117 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: extraterrestrials we're ever going to get come from the deep 118 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: deep I wish. I don't have you ever seen that 119 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: Planet Earth episode about the deep dark Ocean. It's insane 120 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: they live. They've got like weird like little lamps hanging 121 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: on their foreheads, so they look like something out of 122 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: a nightmare. And they're very otherworldly because they exist under 123 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: such extreme pressures and they have that adaptation that allows 124 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: them to flourish more or less in this bizarre and 125 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: lightless environment. When we're gonna get to that a little later. 126 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: I believe yes because this I'm glad that we said this, 127 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: because this definition also incorporates, along with the really strange 128 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: things like gigantic snakes, dragons, were like dinosaur populations, and 129 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: other allegations, the definition of crypto also incorporates animals that 130 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: you might not think of, like relic populations of animals 131 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: that were formerly thought to be extinct, such as the 132 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: sea camp Right, everybody thought, well, everybody in here we 133 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: go with the scientific racism as well. Everybody in Western Europe. 134 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: I thought that the seely canth was extinct despite the 135 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: vast amounts of native populations going oh yeah, that fish 136 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: has always been here and it sucks to eat. But 137 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: then you know these scientists finger quote air quote discovered 138 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: it and now it's not a crypto. This could also 139 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: be animals that look very similar to known creatures, yet 140 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: are different to enough to qualify as their own species. 141 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: That's happening a lot with DNA testing now. But let's 142 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: face it. Let's wake up, smell the folders, face the facts. 143 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: The holy Grail of possible cryptics has never been a 144 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: small new species of bottle nose blue fly or the 145 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: cousin of the finch with a separate color palette. Oh no, 146 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: the more things change, the more they stay the same. 147 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: And that means what people want to find. Our big creatures, 148 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: the Godzillas, the Godzilla's king congs, right, the Catholics. You know, 149 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: Cathula is kind of a proto Godzilla in a lot 150 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: of ways. I mean, he came from beneath the ocean's 151 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: deep and rose up to crush us. All yeah, but no, 152 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: nobody wants to find that, right, Please tell me nobody 153 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: wants to find the one who won't be named? Obviously. 154 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of Lovecraft, uh in the at 155 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 1: least the mythology, but none of nothing about his real life. 156 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: He was terrible, terrible person. But okay, but just to 157 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: get back on here, Yeah, the idea of this creature 158 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: is that it causes other utter madness. Right, that's the 159 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: idea of just even thinking about it causes madness. So 160 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: why would you want to find one or it or 161 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: he whatever? Today? Do you push the boundaries? All right? 162 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: Let's be more hardcore. What is life if not to 163 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: be lived? All right? Right? Did our fortune cookie arguments 164 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: persuade you? I'm persuaded. You're right, though. People want big animals. 165 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: People want to find krackings, abominable snowfolk, thunderbirds, dragons, dinosaurs 166 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: if you say snowfolk like that. Yeah, And so okay, 167 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: it's not just a bunch of snow dudes out there 168 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: in the h alaas one would hope. But that's a 169 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: big question. Are there really any large animals out there? 170 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: And if so, how can we find them? But we 171 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: find them through an impulse that has been with our 172 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: species as long as we've been around, as this search 173 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: for other life, whether it's on our planet or elsewhere. 174 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: So the current age of man anthroposyn puts our species 175 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: in a uniquely fortuitous and particularly perilous time um in 176 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: our search for undiscovered species. So, due to the spreading 177 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: of our species across areas, vast areas of the world 178 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: previously forbidden to us. We've got the technology and the 179 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: wherewithal to go to places we would not have normally 180 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: been able to go in our formative times. Yeah. So 181 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: as a result of that propagation, we're also kind of 182 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: collapsing ecosystems, not of no, yeah, totally doing that thing 183 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: at a alarming and dare we say catastrophic rate, which 184 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: means that we are totally racing ourselves to discover animals 185 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: that may already be extinct by the time we get 186 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: to them. Yeah, so what I think that's a very 187 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: very good points. So we're more capable of going to 188 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: the hinterlands of Antarctica, right to the bottom of the 189 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: sea floor or yeah, that's perfect too deep, too deep, caves, 190 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, and and to space to all these places 191 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: we could ordinarily never go. So we're more likely to 192 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: find stuff that's there if we get to it before 193 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: our pollution does. Essentially, we're also very much in the 194 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: dark about just how many species remain out there in 195 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: the wild. This blows my mind. We don't know exactly 196 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: what we will discover in the insect realm. There are 197 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of unidentified species, and the brutal math 198 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: of the equation ensures that many of them will vanish 199 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: before anyone finds and identifies them, including like native populations. 200 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: So not just you know, Ivory Tower scientists, but tribes 201 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: that are largely uncontacted may not even be able to 202 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: identify all of the varieties of moth in their region. 203 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: That's weird to think about. In the Census of Marine 204 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: Life estimated that Earth is home to about eight point 205 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: seven million species, and give or take one point three million. 206 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: You know, you gotta when you make a big number 207 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: like that and you're estimating the number of species, especially 208 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: how many could or could not exist, you gotta give 209 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: it a bit of an error margin, mayor a little 210 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: wiggle room. But but this number ultimately breaks down to 211 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: six point five million different species on land and two 212 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: point two million different species in the ocean. And if 213 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: we count microbes, my goodness, that number skyrockets. So let's 214 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: jump to when researchers at Indiana University estimated that there 215 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:51,359 Speaker 1: might be between one hundred billion and one trillion species 216 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: of microbes out there just kicking in with us, just 217 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: hanging out, you know, on our skin, just on that 218 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: leaf over there. It's like, if you ever get a 219 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: chance to see those that microscopic photography of gut bacteria 220 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: or of like these various micro's and I mean it's 221 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: like fractals inside fractals. It's like these worlds within worlds 222 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: that we cannot possibly even contemplate. Like that's insane to me. 223 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: And then you think about our position in you know, 224 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: the universe and the planet, and then as it relates 225 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: to that, it's just like more than more than the 226 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: mind can even read. If you have not read the Filth, 227 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: read the graphic novel The Filth today it also brings 228 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: to mind supersymmetry. You know, when you consider that are 229 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: each of our bodies are comprised more of other life 230 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: forms than human cells were outnumbered. I think that there 231 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: are five bacterial cells for every human cell your body. 232 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: But the size ratio is, yes, very different, right, but 233 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: but you're it's absolutely right with the numbers. Human cells 234 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: are are much larger, and it's strange, you know, we're 235 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: all agglomerations of things. We're all much more like cities 236 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: in our way than we are individuals. But we also 237 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: shouldn't forget that there is still a ton of Earth 238 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: left to explore. I mean, technological advancements have been just 239 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: huge in this respect. Satellites led to our drones all 240 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: given us this glimpse into hitherto unexplored regions remote you know, 241 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: um inhospitable that we never would have been able to 242 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: lay eyes on, let alone take readings from and learn 243 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: about the makeup of the you know, materials and the 244 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: climates in the various conditions of these places. Yes, but again, 245 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: what about the big stuff? Could a large animal, let's say, 246 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: the size of a labrador, about a labord doodle? Um, 247 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: all right, yeah, I can do labordoodle, a labradoodle or 248 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: up or maybe maybe even you know what, let's raise 249 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: the stakes something the size of a horse. Could it 250 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: remain undiscovered for the entire span of human civilization. That's 251 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: a tough one, and I think we're gonna have to 252 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: look at that after a quick word from our sponsor, 253 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: you rascal, here's where it gets crazy. So what's the answer. 254 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: It's possible, it really is. Yeah. No, uh, well, we're 255 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: a family show, so no, no tuckus, no doubt. I 256 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: used to have a boss who said, I want you 257 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: to give me the straight poop, give me the dish, 258 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, give me the stuff. The truth, give me 259 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: the straight whoop? Was it a cool? Boss? Now? But 260 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: straight poops are pretty cool? Frame. I think it's like 261 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: a northern thing. He was from, like Pennsylvania, well right 262 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: in And let us know if you're from a far 263 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: of the world where people say straight poop, but it 264 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: really is, we'll give you the straight poop here. It 265 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: really is possible that entire group of large animals has 266 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: escaped the notice of humanity at large. And just a 267 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: side note, I think I'm gonna stick with tuckas so 268 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: every time I was gonna say a wait, is tuckis? 269 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: But is that what that means? Okay, I'm gonna you 270 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: know what, I've committed to it. I'm just gonna I'm 271 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: gonna ride this pony into the sunset. It right, the 272 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: scripted into the sunset. There are big obstacles to this concept, 273 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: even though it is possible. Um, we have to consider 274 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: something that we've looked at in the past when we 275 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: specifically examined, uh say, bigfoot or large the rumors of 276 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 1: dinosaurs and African forest. The thing is, a large animal 277 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: needs a lot of energy and it would probably have 278 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: a measurable impact on an observable ecosystem that would be 279 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: in proportion to or commensurate with its size. So one 280 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: great example of this is whenever a whale dies and 281 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: it sinks to the seabed, and it becomes this sort 282 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: of funereal, rotting oasis for the creatures of the deep. Yeah, 283 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: it's like that story that came out not too long 284 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: ago out of Indonesia where there was this these photographs 285 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: and video of what looks like a lockness monster type 286 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: thing or some kind of crazy you know, sea elephant 287 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: or something, and it turns out it's just the carcass, 288 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: the gelatinous, molten carcass of a baling whale, I believe. 289 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: But it starts to contort and stretch and do all 290 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: this bizarre stuff. And yeah, whale skulls would look rather 291 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: odd when all the stuffs peeled back from it, right. 292 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: I think that's a very it's a very polite way 293 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: to say. I will I will say that they look 294 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: fascinating and terrifying in a way. Imagine looks. Imagine living 295 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: thousands of years ago and then discovering these bones that 296 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: would wash up on shore. It's interesting though. In an 297 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: article and Live Science relating to the sighting I was 298 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: just talking about a whale biologist by the name of 299 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: Alexander Worth. There's an interesting quote here that I think 300 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 1: pertains to our discussion. He says, quote, there's lots of 301 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: stuff in the ocean that we don't know about, but 302 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: there's nothing that big that remains unknown. M That's yeah, 303 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: And that's the thing because that's a controversial. Um, that's 304 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: still a point of contention, obviously in one man's opinion. 305 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: But it is an expert. He's not like just some 306 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: guy who's hanging out selling couzies and speedoes. He's not 307 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: a hobbyist at he's that wail enthusiasts. Yeah, it's it's 308 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: true though. It's Uh, it's true on land that large 309 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: animals would have likely already been observed by humans, or 310 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: in areas where they would come into contact with humans, 311 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: they might have already been hunted to death, died due 312 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: to pollution, or become unable to compete for their normal 313 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: breeding territory, their food of choice, other resources. Uh, this happens. 314 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: Look at the wooly mammoth. Uh. They may also become 315 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: unable to accomplish annual migrations, and this is an effect 316 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: another death sentence, just a slower one. Yeah, just the 317 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: really fasket back to the amount of energy that encrypted 318 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: would were choir. So there are a couple of things 319 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: that just come come to my mind when we're thinking 320 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: about this. So if you're thinking about a singular animal, right, 321 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 1: and then you think about how much food that I 322 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: am over will require, you have to think, is in 323 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: an herbivore an omnivore? Does it eat primarily meat? And 324 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: then think about how much energy, like we said, that 325 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: would require to eat. Then imagine this thing isn't alone. 326 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: If there is a big foot, there is a family 327 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: of bigfoots. Unless they're you know, they live forever, right, 328 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: or whatever animal it is a horse sized creature, there's 329 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: gonna be a herd at least of them that has 330 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: survived over the century. It reminds me of that band name. 331 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: And you will know us by our trail of dead, 332 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: and then you know us by the trail of the dead. Well, yeah, sure, 333 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: And maybe it's just grass that's getting eaten or some 334 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: plant that exists out in the middle of nowhere, But 335 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: you know there's gonna be a big hole of resources 336 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: where these things survive. And despite all these problems, all 337 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: these very valid let's call them cons to the argument 338 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: for a large animal. UH. We have one big pro 339 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: on the other side. That is that the world is enormous. 340 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: There are still a few places where it's possible that 341 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: humanity could discover something in the size of a labrador 342 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: a labradoodle or larger. In fact, it's more possible now 343 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: than at any other point in human history. So we 344 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: can look at different regions of the world UH and 345 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: see whether what would be the most or least likely 346 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: to harbor an undiscovered large life form. So our first 347 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: stop on this journey would be to the jungles and 348 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: the massive forests of the planet. Once these things span 349 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: entire continents, they just nothing but trees as far as 350 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: the eye could see. But now, because of manufacturing and 351 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: agricultural techniques, these things have been drastically reduced both in 352 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: in terms of their size um and the bio diversity 353 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: within their ecosystem. So a lot of the animals have 354 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: been dying off. We are inside a mass die off 355 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: right now of species, and we've been kind of ramping 356 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: up to that in the past few hundred years. Paleontologists 357 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: will tell you that we are we are officially in 358 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: the sixth great extinction in the history of this planet, 359 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: like dinosaur leveling stuff. You know, um, maybe not as 360 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: sudden as impact events, right, but in many ways as 361 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: as lethal. And this is not like, this is not 362 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: in any way involved with um political standpoints or ideologies. 363 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: This is this is just hard science. There are resources 364 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: that we use that we extract and one of those 365 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: is would and trees, and that's what we've been doing 366 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: for a long time, and humanity has been expanding. It's 367 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: just kind of the way we've been doing. I'm sort 368 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: of torn on the point to where people say that 369 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: we should stop as a species from pursuing agriculture, right, 370 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: because it keeps people alive. So at what point do 371 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: we stop letting people eat, you know what I mean? 372 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: Or stop letting people reproduce, yeah, or stop letting people 373 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: choose what they want to eat? Right? Because if the 374 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: entire world went vegetarian, there's that argument that, uh, the 375 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: there would be less pollution and that there would also 376 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: be more food for people. There's vertical farms, man, we 377 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: gotta start getting those. Yeah. But I am a I 378 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: am just a walking garbage disposal. I haven't really met 379 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: food that I wouldn't he I've met something that I 380 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: didn't like. You have a whole show where you just 381 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: eat trash food. Anybody who's listening to this and doesn't 382 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: have access to the house to works Facebook page. I 383 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: just have to throw this out here right now. Ben 384 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: and Uh someone who's been on our show before, Lauren Vogelbaum. 385 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: They do a show called snack Stuff, and yesterday during 386 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: the live broadcast, Ben not only did he eat canned rattlesnake, 387 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: and Lauren both they both did. Uh. They took a 388 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: shot of rattlesnake canned juice at the end of like 389 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: a gravy disgusting. That is foul. The look on poor 390 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: Ben's face it was really bad. So the rattle sneak 391 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: itself doesn't taste bad that the texture is really similar 392 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: to like pulled pork. I can, Yeah, can canned stuff 393 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: weird to me. Potted meat can stuff in general. I mean, 394 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: beans are okay, i'ltic beans, but potted meat now, Yeah, 395 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: it's always it's always fascinating when you see that stuff 396 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: in the grocery store and it's not refrigerated and you 397 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: read the ingredients, you check the expiration date, and you're like, wow, 398 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: this could be it on the shelf for another four years. Yeah, 399 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: and and it'd be fine, right, it would be no 400 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: worse than it was. But but yes, I we do 401 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: have that show with our esteemed uh friend and colleague 402 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: and also co host of a new show called food Stuff, 403 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: Lauren vogelbaumb So do check that out when you get 404 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: a chance. All right, let's get back to the jungle. 405 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the jungle. Uh. There are problems with investigating 406 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: allegations of cryptids in the jungle. Let's take the world's 407 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: largest tropical rainforce at the time of this recording, it's 408 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: the Amazon, and it's been the site of hundreds of 409 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: cryptid sightings or you know, eyewitness accounts. Here's what makes 410 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: it tough to hunt for cryptids in a place like 411 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: the Amazon. The jungle is hungry, it is. It aggressively 412 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: devours buildings, structures, roads without constant maintenance. Um, it's very 413 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: difficult to well, it's very difficult with constant maintenance to 414 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: keep man made structures around and viable and without it, boom, 415 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: the jungle just swallows them up. Yeah. I can totally 416 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: identify with this because we just had ivy growing growing 417 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 1: in our backyard, and every couple of weeks I'd have 418 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: to go back there and take care of it, or 419 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: that thing would just get overrun with just some simple ivy. 420 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: From here in the Southeastern United States, very uh, certain 421 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: plants are very motivating, you know. Uh. Kud Zoo is 422 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: the legendary example here in the Southeast, but that still 423 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: has very little on the Amazonian jungle. Entire cities have 424 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: been lost in the Amazon and only recently found again 425 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: with the use of sophisticated laser based surveillance technology like 426 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: light art like no one mentioned earlier. So if you're 427 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: if you don't have the resources to go to an 428 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: isolated place and maintain a life long enough to maintain 429 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: a structure and a like a an operation long enough 430 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: to observe this stuff, your chances have seen anything are 431 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: pretty small, especially if you're looking for something specific. You 432 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: might be having a needle in a haystack moment. And 433 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: given the vast biodiversity, it's also possible that people who 434 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: believe they've seen a cryptid are misidentifying another known creature. 435 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: Here's a question, you guys. On the movie Anaconda, where 436 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: the snake John that spoiler yep? Is it? Yep? Oh? 437 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: What a snake? A movie with the name Anaconda has 438 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: a snake in it? Well, no, the giant snake, but 439 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: specifically the character. I didn't say what it did after 440 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: h John, boy, that's the twist, now you do. We've 441 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: been over the statue of limitations. It's a crap movie anyway, 442 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: Come on, no Mike sation though, as like, would an 443 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: absurdly large version of a known species be considered a cryptid? Yeah? 444 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: I would. I would argue yes, because it would be. 445 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: It's it's an interesting question. So is it an individual 446 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: that's a very large anaconda or is it a group 447 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: of anacondas that are that are growing? And reptiles are 448 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: weird too, because some reptiles will just continue to grow, 449 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,239 Speaker 1: just spooky stuff. Yeah, but I think you know, that's 450 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: a good question. I would say, I want to throw 451 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: that to the listeners too. So ladies, gentlemen, and cryptids, 452 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: if you're in the audience, let us know what you 453 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: think is is outsized a very large version of a 454 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: known animal? Does that count as a encrypted? I would 455 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: say I'm tempted to say yes, and can oh boy, 456 00:28:53,200 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: thank you can if it's encrypted rights. Despite the difficulty 457 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: in establishing your research outpost and the ease of misidentification, 458 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: new species are still being found in the world's forest 459 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: and jungles and may of researchers found a brand new 460 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: primate in Angola. Think about that, a brand new primate 461 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: that is a large animal. It's not huge, but it's 462 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: at least, you know, it's larger than a little bird. 463 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: They're literally calling it the pigmy galago, so well, that 464 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: means they're calling it a pigmy. It's not like some 465 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: ironic little john things or something. It's small. Yeah, it's 466 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: only six point five inches long, so it isn't a 467 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: large animal, just a undiscovered one. Sure, but you know 468 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: one person six point five inches when you think about 469 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: microbes and you think about insects. I'm still saying it's big. Yeah, 470 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: it's big, but it's not labradoodle. But let's let's continue 471 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: our search. Let's visit some other biomas. What about mountains 472 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: and deserts. Okay, let's get this one out of the way. 473 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: Deserts are some of the most brutal locations in the 474 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: entire world on this planet. If you're in a desert. 475 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: There's not much worse places you can be to live 476 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: as an animal. You gotta put up with a whole 477 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: lot of stuff. You have to adapt like crazy. Deserts 478 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: aren't always hot, Like to think about the empty quarter 479 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia or part of the parts of the 480 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: Saharta which most people think of. You know, those are 481 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: those are hot deserts. But Antarctica has desert uh in it. Yes, 482 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: if living was a video game, deserts would be the 483 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: stages that count as hard mode, oh for sure. So 484 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: temperature is not the primary defining trait of a desert. UH. 485 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: Area with little vegetation is a desert, and fewer species 486 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: of animals exists in deserts in comparison to other biomas. 487 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: One famous cryptic described UH in the desert to Mongolia 488 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: is the Mongolian death worm, which the phase I was 489 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: totally obsessed with this thing. Ye man, it sounds like 490 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: a sandworm type thing, but like the guys from Tremors, 491 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of like, yeah, it's kind of like a 492 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: smaller version of that. But they think that. People say 493 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: that it can spit acid or is coated with some 494 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: sort of acid. But but I you know, it's a 495 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: very remote area, but it's it's tough to think that 496 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: there hasn't been one found, you know, unless it's maybe 497 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: its body is completely cartilagenous, so when it dies, it 498 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: doesn't leave anything, right, that's a possibility. I don't know. 499 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: It just returns back to the sand, to the sand 500 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: from which it came. So cryptids are a large cryptid 501 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: is probably not located in the desert. Mountains are a 502 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: different story. Some animals thrive in the heights, and although 503 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: we know they exist, it's tough to find them. Like 504 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: it's exceedingly air for human beings. To get a glimpse 505 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: of the Himalayan snow leopard, which is a real thing. Yeah, yeah, 506 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: it exists, and they're lurking out there. But the times 507 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: that they come out, uh, you know, there aren't humans 508 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: around a lot of times. They're very wary of other 509 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: animals and they were pretty well camouflaged. Right, And is 510 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: the aren't they designed more or less to blend in 511 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: with you know, heavy snows designed design intelligently? Yeah. Yeah, 512 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: this is one of the places where there are heavily 513 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: region based reports of the abominable snowfolk. The Jettie Well 514 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: it's so isolated right when you're when you're talking about 515 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: the Himalayan mountains, new types of bears and goats, and 516 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: not all mountains are created equally, you know, So you're 517 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: absolutely right about the Himalayas. We also would have to consider, 518 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: you know, more thoroughly explored mountains in Western Europe probably 519 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: don't have any large unidentified animals because that area is 520 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: so heavily populated by humans comparatively speaking. But there's another 521 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: more exciting thing. We're talking about mountains deserts. We have 522 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: a very special case caves. So I was thinking before 523 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: when we talked about how there's probably not a large 524 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: undiscovered animal in you know, the Sahara or a sand desert, 525 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: what I should have said was on the surface, because 526 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: caves are a very special case. They're often removed from 527 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: the planet's main source of energy, the Sun. We're big 528 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: fans of Planet Earth. We I think we mentioned that 529 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: earlier the show, right um, in the episode on caves. 530 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: One thing that's very interesting the original Planet Earth is 531 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: they talked about how the entire ecosystem is supported by 532 00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: guano by you know that I guess still stick with 533 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: tucks straight bat poop straight bat poop because they fly 534 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: out and uh eat creatures or eat things that grow 535 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: in accordance with sunlight and other other parts of the 536 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,439 Speaker 1: food chain. And so now the subterranean system is one 537 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: step further away from the source of energy, and this 538 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: deficit of available energy would ordinarily mean no large creature 539 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: could exist, But there's another option to consider the Earth's 540 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: internal heat source, the energy that powers geysers and volcanoes. 541 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: There hasn't been a large living crypto discovered in cave systems, 542 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: at least not yet, but we do know for sure 543 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: the world beneath our feet teams with undiscovered, very strange life. 544 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: As we record this podcast, spelunkers and scholars alike are 545 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: still discovering extremely strange creatures thousands of feet beneath the ground. 546 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: And yeah, a lot of them are blind, like just 547 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: no eyes, atrophy, spooky spooky stuff. Well, it's a difficult 548 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: thing to get down very far into the earth. It's 549 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: not easy to do, and it takes a lot of 550 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: equipment and specialized training to do that. So you can't 551 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: just have a mass search, you know, throughout the globe, 552 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: everything cave cave in. That's a possibility of flooding dangerous. 553 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: One of the most dangerous pursuits actually is cave diving, 554 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: and apparently there's still pockets of caverns that are only 555 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,919 Speaker 1: accessible through a long underwater route. And then these these 556 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: ecosystems within these caverns function kind of like did you 557 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: ever see Do you guys ever see those little glass 558 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: balls that have like plants growing in them and their 559 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: own water system. It functions like that in sort of 560 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: a bubble in an envelope, and it's completely possible that 561 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: something lives there. But when we're speaking of things that 562 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: look very alien to us normal us surface walkers, day walkers, 563 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: we have one big area left to explore. We'll get 564 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: to it after a word from our sponsor. So I 565 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: alluded to this earlier in the show. Is one of 566 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: my favorite episodes of Planet Earth. Of all of the 567 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: ecosystems on this planet, the ocean gives us the best 568 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: odds for discovering a large cryptid like a Godzilla. Um 569 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: experts believe that we've explored going on five per cent 570 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: of the world seabed, and too many experts and amateurs 571 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: arelike this vast unknown stretch of the world poses the 572 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: greatest possibility discovering new large animals to wit sea monster. Yeah, man, 573 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: And we've been finding some of these things over the years, 574 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: and you know, just in the recent past, we found 575 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: the colossal squid. We found a whale that had a beak. 576 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: No it was not it wasn't really a beak, but 577 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: it was the beaked whale. Yeah, and then there were 578 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: we we know there are other things to discover. So 579 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: you've probably if you were a fan of this show, 580 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: that means you would probably like us gone down the 581 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: rabbit hole before where you look up mysterious carcasses washed ashore. Uh. 582 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: Noel pointed out earlier that whales washed ashore pretty often, 583 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: and Matt, you and I have talked about this off air. 584 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: A lot of those carcasses look radically different from a 585 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: living whale and have often been misidentified as something else. 586 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: But even with that being said, there are genuine accounts 587 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: of experts not being able to identify the thing that 588 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 1: washed up and just saying, we don't know. Maybe it's 589 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: some kind of deep sea love crafty and shark. Yeah, 590 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,439 Speaker 1: maybe it's a scific rim style kaiju. I don't know, man, 591 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: Maybe got dislodged when a ship sank or something who knows, 592 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: And just like life and cave systems, there's one big 593 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: objection to the idea of a large creature living in 594 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: the deep that is energy. So we talked about some 595 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: of those really strange like deep sea angler fish and 596 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: tiny um tiny octopoid looking things. Uh, the truth of 597 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: the matter is that the abyssial plane, under that immense 598 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: pressure that Matt mentioned, animals are going to tend to 599 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,720 Speaker 1: be smaller as a rule, and they're also further away 600 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: from that source of energy sunlight. But also, similar to 601 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: the gave idea, we do know of one very bizarre 602 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: feature of the ocean floor geothermal events. So these geothermal 603 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: events emit intense heat from the Earth and they act 604 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: as a kind of underwater oasis um for extreme aphiles 605 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: and just possibly other larger forms of life. So this means, 606 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: to steal a line from Dumb and Dumber, we're saying, 607 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: there's a chance there is a chance that there's large 608 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: undiscovered life. Not a very good chance, not not really 609 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: good odds if you're gambling. But if something large and 610 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: undiscovered exists, it almost certainly would have to exist in 611 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: the ocean. Yeah, and it have to be able to 612 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: hide or at least conceal itself in some way to 613 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: evade all of the different tracking techniques that we have. 614 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: Where you can look at the bottom of the ocean floor, 615 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: anything that is existing there, the the fishing, the technology 616 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: that large fisheries use, you can you can see what's 617 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: on the bottom of the floor. And then there's this 618 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 1: is just a brainstorm thing. That's entirely speculation on my part. 619 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: But there is a possibility that other forms of life 620 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: would be discovered in the deep by militaries using submarines, 621 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,760 Speaker 1: and then they would choose not to reveal it because 622 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: doing so would also reveal the technology they used to 623 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: find a thing. But you have a certain level that 624 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,399 Speaker 1: they're at, you know, where they're able to or maybe 625 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 1: even where they're operating. Right, it's like, what is this 626 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: what what is this Russian sub doing in the Indian Ocean? Yeah, 627 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Uh, it's so, And that's 628 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: purely speculation on my part. That might as well be 629 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: the plot for a dime store novel. Writing it down, 630 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: you should hop on that, man, should I should in 631 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: general hop more often? Yeah? Yeah, And then I think 632 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: you're you're selling it a short dime store. No, that 633 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: is that is a potential best selling well, thank you 634 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: so much. The collapse of oceanic ecosystems. As we said, 635 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: the key here is that this becomes a time sensitive pursuit. 636 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: Humanity's explorers are racing against humanity's pollution. So if something 637 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 1: big exists out there, it's also tragically likely that it 638 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: will be extinct before we actually see it. Jeez, that's 639 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: a that's a tough thoughts. We've all seen images I'm 640 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 1: assuming of is it the Pacific trash? Yeah, and all that. 641 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just it's hard to know that that's happening, 642 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: And in some way, I guess we're all just contributing 643 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: to that. It's a care time will come. Yeah, it 644 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: feels like it's getting here. What goes around comes around. 645 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: I like. I like both of those things, like a 646 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: trash more text, it feels split. See, I feel like 647 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: a rose about a forn So I'm trying to figure 648 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: out why this would happen all of us. We hope 649 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,720 Speaker 1: that you enjoyed this exploration, and if you are interested 650 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,319 Speaker 1: in cryptozoology, please do check out our earlier videos and podcast. 651 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: We have a very special announcement for you at the 652 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 1: end of the show, a little bit of a teaser 653 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: if you will. But before that, enough about us, what 654 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 1: about you? Shot at Corners. Our first shout out today 655 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: comes from Jenna, who wrote to us after watching etcht 656 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: In's Secret Our Georgia Guidestone's documentary on Amazon. If you 657 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: haven't seen it yet, do it now. Jenna had some 658 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: very interesting ideas about the future of humanity, but more importantly, 659 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: she had a fantastic episode suggestion. So Jenna says, a 660 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: person I think would be interesting to explore in a 661 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: podcast is the UNI bomber ted Kazinski. He convinced the 662 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: FBI to publish his manifesto against the system in the 663 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: Washington Post. It is the single day when the most 664 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: newspapers were sold so he would stop the bombs being 665 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: sent through the mail. He convinced the FBI to publish 666 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 1: his manifesto against the system in the Washington Post, and 667 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: that happened to be the day when they sold the 668 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: most newspapers to that point. And that's what she says. 669 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: I'm not I haven't. We haven't confirmed that independently, but 670 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me if that were very close to 671 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: the case, and he did this so that he would 672 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: basically he held them hostage more or less, that he 673 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: would stop sending bombs in the mail if they would 674 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: agree to publish his manifesto. Um. It led to his 675 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: arrest and his court appointed attorneys wanted to plead insanity, 676 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,319 Speaker 1: so Kazinski fired them and wanted to speak for himself. UM. 677 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 1: He did have several degrees though, and we're in law. Um. 678 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: Yet he was forced into a plea deal because the 679 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: FBI didn't want the public to see how logical he was. 680 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: Interesting perspective. Um, he now has several books published. On 681 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: a side note, it was three guns that killed jfk Okay, 682 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: all right, no, no further there. Thanks for the great podcast, 683 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: Thanks for the interesting perspectives. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's 684 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: a very interesting point that I think would make a 685 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,799 Speaker 1: a good topic for examination in an episode. Let us 686 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: know if you agree with Jenna and would like us 687 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,840 Speaker 1: to delve into the biography of the Union bomber along 688 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: with his motivations and legal proceedings, because he very much 689 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: does believe there's stuff they don't want you to know. 690 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: Our next shout out goes out to Dannara, who sent 691 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 1: us a message to quote. Chime in, Oh excuse me, 692 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: chime in about our serial killers on the Loose, part 693 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: two episode, specifically about the Oakland County child kill Yeah, 694 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,280 Speaker 1: I remember this one. Okay, so Dinara says, my memories 695 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: are fuzzy, But I grew up in Detroit. My dad 696 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 1: had been a d A, a district attorney in Wayne County. 697 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: That's Detroit City. Oakland County is the next county to 698 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 1: the north. I was about eight years old when the 699 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: killings took place. We never once called him the babysitter. 700 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: The grown ups called him quote the snow killer, because 701 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: they always found the kids posed as snow angels the 702 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: night after a new snowfall. US kids called him the 703 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: snow angel, mostly in whispers. My dad and his family 704 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: were staunchly Catholic. Grandfather did pr public relations work for 705 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: the diocese for free. Dad did legal work for the diocese, 706 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 1: also for free. This matters because Dad was having a 707 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 1: conversation with one of the cops involved and this subject 708 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,439 Speaker 1: came up. The cop was spitting mad because they knew 709 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: who did it and they couldn't touch him. Okay, that's 710 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: news to me. He was a Catholic priest. Dad didn't 711 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: believe it, neither did grandfather. Okay, that just pulling out 712 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: of the listener mail really fast. I had not seen 713 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:35,320 Speaker 1: that anywhere in the research. But that's, you know, fascinating. 714 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna look into that now. We're going back in. 715 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 1: The priest got hit by a car and died, and 716 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,839 Speaker 1: the killings stopped once the snow started falling the next 717 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,319 Speaker 1: year and there were no bodies. Dad said, we didn't 718 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: have to go to church anymore. Grandfather had stopped going 719 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 1: over the summer, and they both cut off all contact 720 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 1: with the Catholic clergy, even their best friends. Neither of 721 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: them ever talked about it. Geez. Okay, So on top 722 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: of his legal career, Dad wrote books crime novels. When 723 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: he found out he was dying, he started writing The 724 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: Snow Killer, and unfortunately he died before finishing it. Geez, 725 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,360 Speaker 1: this is this is fascinating information. Thank you for writing 726 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,879 Speaker 1: in dinner, because we didn't find in the course of 727 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 1: the research we're doing, uh, information about Catholic priests being involved. No, 728 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: not at all, and a lot of that stuff. I 729 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: never saw the snow Killer mentioned in any of the 730 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 1: articles that were written at the time. So I don't know. 731 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: News to me. Thank you so much for writing. And 732 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,720 Speaker 1: we have one more shout out today is to Brent. 733 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: Brent says, guys, just listen to the Red Mercury episode. 734 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,799 Speaker 1: A couple of points. You mentioned the possibility of red 735 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 1: mercury being a code name for something else. There is 736 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,319 Speaker 1: a precedent for this in the nuclear community. During World 737 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: War Two, uranium was always referred to by the code 738 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: name copper. So how did they refer to element twenty 739 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: nine actual copper? It was honest to god copper. Also, 740 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,439 Speaker 1: you're right, buying a pig in a poke as buying 741 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 1: something site unseen, often a dog or a cat, rather 742 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 1: than an actual pig. Thus, inadvertent revealing the scam was 743 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,439 Speaker 1: letting the cat out of the bag. Keep it going. 744 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: Thank you for the etymology lessons there, Brent. That's pretty 745 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,840 Speaker 1: awesome talking about connecting dots. Yeah, I think we're gonna 746 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,320 Speaker 1: stick stick with Badger. So I've never bought a dog 747 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,240 Speaker 1: in a bag, no, or a pig. Nol is nodding 748 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,879 Speaker 1: in a very like sympathetic way right now. Well, I mean, 749 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. It just seems like a real stretch 750 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,319 Speaker 1: to agree to buying a creature sight unsea. I mean, 751 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,440 Speaker 1: what if it turns out to be some sort of 752 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: bizarre acid spitting cryptid that as soon as you open 753 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,319 Speaker 1: that draw string that jumps right out and you know, 754 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: melts your face off with its acid venom should make 755 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 1: a we should do a p s A against buying things, uh, 756 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,400 Speaker 1: buying things in bags without looking inside the bag. Start 757 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: because I have a kid, and there's a big thing 758 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,399 Speaker 1: the kids love these days is these little things you buy, 759 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,879 Speaker 1: these little trinkets where you don't know what's in it. 760 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 1: It's like it looks like a little yogurt cup, it's 761 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: got this little like an Asian kind of drink. It 762 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: that it's a stamp or a lip balm or something 763 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 1: like that. And the whole joy of it isn't not 764 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: knowing what it is. But at least you know that 765 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: it's not gonna eat your face off. It's not a 766 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,760 Speaker 1: living creature. That's That's honestly why I love magic cards. 767 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 1: When you buy the packs and you don't know what 768 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: the rare is. Maybe one do you'll get a live pig? 769 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: Oh I homely hope. So, speaking in fantastic segways, this 770 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:30,800 Speaker 1: concludes our go, but not our show. Visit our website 771 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. To check out 772 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,440 Speaker 1: any and all of the episodes that Matt, Noel and 773 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:41,000 Speaker 1: I have done in previous days. Can I do a plug? Yeah, show, 774 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,879 Speaker 1: it's not ours, but we participated in it. It's um. 775 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are familiar with the 776 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: wonderful wonderful publication and website Mental Floss. Well, the two 777 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: dudes Will and Man guests that actually founded that publication 778 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 1: work for us now not us stuff. They don't want 779 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,840 Speaker 1: you to know us. You know the greater how stuff works. 780 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,680 Speaker 1: They work, they do work with us. They are lovely, 781 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: lovely dudes. And they have a new show called part 782 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,879 Speaker 1: Time Genius that Ben helped editorially with. I did the 783 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,360 Speaker 1: audio mixing and the music and sound design, and Tristan 784 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,239 Speaker 1: who's producing the show, did the editing, and I did 785 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,480 Speaker 1: some promotional videos did Indeed, we all had actually all 786 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,719 Speaker 1: fingers in that particular Batcher Pot. It takes a it 787 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,600 Speaker 1: takes a village, and we think that you were really 788 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,479 Speaker 1: going to enjoy this show. The guys worked really hard 789 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,279 Speaker 1: on it. They are brilliant. Uh, they're far, far too 790 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: humble in my opinion, and I used to funny funny story. 791 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,799 Speaker 1: I've been a fan for years from the mental Flus days. 792 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: I have an autographed book of theirs. Wow, it's a 793 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,600 Speaker 1: it's strange, but yeah, the show is out now. I 794 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 1: think they released four episode and one goes so you've 795 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,600 Speaker 1: got like some nice material to dig through. There about 796 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,400 Speaker 1: forty five minutes apiece and there are four on the 797 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,320 Speaker 1: channel right now. Part Time Genius on Apple, podcast, Stitcher, 798 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: or anywhere else you get your audio delights in One warning, 799 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,600 Speaker 1: if you hear the theme song for Part Time Genius, 800 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,799 Speaker 1: it will not leave your ears for many a day. 801 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,280 Speaker 1: Uh made its awesome, but man, that thing is a jammer. 802 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: So let us know what you think of Part Time Genius. 803 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,479 Speaker 1: If you like our show, you will love there's as well. 804 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,520 Speaker 1: And that's the end of this classic episode. 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