1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Check in with crazy people real quick. It's one more thing. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 2: I'm one more. 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: Before I get to two specific stories from the New 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: York Times, which is like visiting a zoo sometimes. I 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: just saw there's a trend. Apparently, it's hard to say 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: if it's a trend or if it happened once and 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: they're just pretending it's a trend. But of a woman 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: who used Hinge. That's one of your popular dating apps, 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: probably owned by Match dot com. Match dot com bought 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: up all the dating apps. They're all the same now. 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: But uh, Hinge figured out a way to get a 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: guy on a first date to build like a piece 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: of furniture from Ikea for her. That's pretty good. 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: Which there's a lot of stuff in the modern world 15 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 2: that pisses me off. 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: This is not one of them. As a guy, you know, 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: I thought it would help. Yet I would do that 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: build your friend. Sure, I kind of enjoy it. Well, yeah, 19 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: I mean shows me, you know, how to do something. 20 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: She said she felt like she was getting the full 21 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 1: boyfriend experience pretending to like him. I guess briefly. So 22 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: he would build her some furniture that's pretty brilliant. 23 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got the r O D though the Reek 24 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: of Desperation. If as a guy you agree to it, though, 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 2: oh totally. I mean, come on, dude, no, that's that's 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: that's what you do for your girlfriend. It's not an 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: audition to become a boyfriend. Otherwise it's just labor, just not. 28 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: Being paid to work here, Yes, exactly, so I mentioned 29 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: one of these has got to do with dating. But first, 30 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: this one The Wall Street the New York Times rather 31 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: is some times like visiting the zoo. For me, I 32 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: grew up in rural Midwest, and I mean it's as 33 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: different from the culture of the people, because New York 34 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 1: isn't even the same as the New York Times. It's 35 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: special kind of weirdo people. Anyway, they are a. 36 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: Long judgmental just because they're of a somewhat different cultural 37 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: set of norms and strata. Frankly, at different level. 38 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: I'll let you decide. Long article about why the right 39 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: is obsessed with thinness when diet culture meets conservative morality, 40 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: conservative Christian influencers are reshaping beauty standards of promoting diet culture, 41 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: and it goes on and on and on from there 42 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: for many, many, many, many words like these articles. Do yeah, 43 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 1: So when did when did not being obese becomes some 44 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: sort of right wing thing we need to watch out for. 45 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. 46 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: And you know, the thinnest places in America are usually 47 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: your lefty cities like La San Diego, San Francisco, Boulder, Colorado, 48 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: places like that. In New Hampshire, that's where all the 49 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: thin people are. Granola eating, super driving, traders, joe shopping. 50 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, walking to work, Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Here's here's a 51 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 2: new limitation of the First Amendment that I'd like to introduce. 52 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: If before you. 53 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 2: Write some big magazine slash newspaper, slash website article about 54 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: a trend, you need to remember and there's a test. 55 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: There's a two tiered test I'm going to suggest here, 56 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: but you need to remember that not everything that happens 57 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: that several people have done is quote unquote a trend. 58 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: There are eight billion people on earth that probably I 59 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: don't know a quarter of them are online, at least 60 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: some and so that's billions of people. If seven hundred 61 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: and thirty three of them who happen to be right 62 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: wingers think, you know, you're better off being thin, it's healthier, 63 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: that's not a trend. And here's how the First Amendment 64 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: will limit you. If I can prove to you, as 65 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: the globes on budsmen, that there are an equal number 66 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: of right wingers who like to be fat, then you 67 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 2: don't get to declare that there's a trend of right 68 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 2: wingers who think you ought to be thin. It's just 69 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: a group of people doing something. It's not a trend. 70 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about it. 71 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: Well, there's that, which is obviously true, But then there's 72 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: the claiming that the trend is something we should be 73 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: concerned about. Is the other thing, because they're claiming that 74 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: the right wing thin moralist influencers are trying to force 75 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: teenage girls to be thin, and of course that's dangerous 76 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: than an arecily in all these different things. Even though 77 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: we're the fattest we've ever been, the number of diseases 78 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: and hospital costs associated to obesity have exploded like our 79 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: waistlines in recent years. I don't think being too thin 80 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: is our problem. 81 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: And we've mostly as a country failed to spread democracy 82 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: around the world, but we have spread obesity around the world. 83 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: Obesity a more successful expert than democracy. 84 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: Yes, Katie, Oh, it's just that that was one of 85 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: the bigger stretches. I've heard in a while that you're right, 86 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: it is the fit is going. I don't know. 87 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: Okay, here's a question for you. 88 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: This sort of crap drives me crazy. I've hated this 89 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: for decades and this is a new version of it. 90 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 2: All right, I'll get to the very interesting and revealing 91 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: question after Jack rants a little more so. 92 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: There's a distinct idea that overeaten or gluttony, which is 93 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: one of the seven deadly sins, is immoral. And if 94 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: your body size is not whatever society thinks is an 95 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: appropriate body size, that that is a sin. 96 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 2: The different, the whole. 97 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm influenced by society and body size thing. Ah, who 98 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: do you know that falls into that category. I've never 99 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: own anybody. The magazines are are leading them to like 100 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: ruin their lives because they need to look like, what 101 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 1: are you talking about? Well, you're not an adolescent girl. 102 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: No I'm not. 103 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: I would say that, so and and that's I think 104 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: that's a bit of a blind spot for you. But 105 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: here's here's my fascinating philosophical question. 106 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: But it would seem to me that society is telling 107 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: us we should be fat. If I look around other 108 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: than on a magazine. 109 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 2: Certainly there's a case being made for it. Yeah, pretty 110 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: aggressively a few years ago. Yeah, fat acceptance, body positivity. 111 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: So here's one of these questions, you know, what color 112 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: is this guy in your world? Very two very different 113 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 2: sorts of people. A conflict of visions, tomasul blah blah blah. 114 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 2: Since conservatives tend to be more individuals, individualistic, individual rights 115 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and and lefties tend to be a 116 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: little more collective, collective action, we need to band together 117 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: blah blah bah. Is it partly that we can't picture 118 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: somebody who's easily influenced by the culture around them, because 119 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: we're not like that, whereas they the collectivist you know, 120 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: lefties who actually want to give socialism another try, A 121 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: lot of them, they are that easily influenced, and so 122 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: they're much more sensitive to that sort of influence. I 123 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: couldn't give a crap if some quote unquote trend is 124 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: going on that, you know, six year old suburban dads 125 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: ought to look like this, that or the other. I 126 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: would look at that and laugh and go back to 127 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: doing whatever I was doing. I don't care. Now that 128 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: might just be me as an individual. But don't you 129 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: think I'll throw it to Katie. Don't you think that 130 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: people on the right tend to be less concerned about 131 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: what everybody else thinks? I absolutely? 132 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: And then this, as Katie called it, a stretch to 133 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: try to turn it into your using the right, which 134 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: is more religious, is trying to put a religious spin 135 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,239 Speaker 1: on you need to look a certain way. What. 136 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe there's some group of twelve women online somewhere 137 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: who like, have a Bible study and decided Jesus wants 138 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: you to be thin. But there's people seeing all sorts 139 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: of crazy shit online. That doesn't mean you have to 140 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: pay attention to it or it's a trend. 141 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: But but what if you should be thinned? 142 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: You? 143 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: I should be thin you. We should all be thinner, right, 144 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: we should be? So where do you stop there? That's 145 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: not like a moral statement or whatever. It's just ask 146 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: your doctor. They would tell you should be thinner. 147 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. We're back to people being especially sensitive 148 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: to criticism. I guess I don't know. How about you know, 149 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: love the Uh, You're gonna hate this, but love the sinner. 150 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: And I'm guessing that all of these journalists in the 151 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: New York Times that wrote this, because there's a big 152 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: piece of people together. They're probably all just stick figures 153 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: who go to the gym every day, and you know, 154 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: offend it on other people's behin right, exactly, They're offended 155 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: on society's behalf, which. 156 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: Is another commonality over yonder. 157 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: I'm glad that we don't have to make up things 158 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: for a living like well, I don't know. Often there 159 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: are times I think they think they're actually just observing 160 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: life and coming up with clever things. I don't think 161 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: they're making it up. Yeah, I don't think that. 162 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: I would agree. I'll tell you what. Our daughter Delany 163 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: headed back to law school. And it's too bad because 164 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: it's great fun having her hair, but hanging around to 165 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: any extent with a twenty something with a twenty somethings metabolism. 166 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: Is just bad. 167 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 2: It's just bad and just not good. And I'm not 168 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: strong enough to resists. She just she can like pick 169 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: up a key line pie on the way home from 170 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: work and introduce that in the house and you know, 171 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: do you want to go out for a latte? Dad? 172 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: And why don't we have a cinnamon roll? We're having 173 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: dinner in three hours. Yeah, I know, but I'm hungry 174 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,359 Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. It's just it never ends. 175 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: The other end of it. For old people and I 176 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: go to my parents' house, they just don't eat. They're 177 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: old now, they just don't need to eat. And psych 178 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: does anybody eat? 179 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: Wow? So it's past that whole the whole get together 180 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 2: revolves around food. 181 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: Now to being not so much because I know that's 182 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: where I am in my life. The amount of food 183 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: I need to live is so tiny. It's shocking. Really. 184 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: It always makes me think this. We're surrounded by billboards 185 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: and ads and reviews and discussions and and all the 186 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: accouterments that go with it. With the new you, we 187 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: got to have the KitchenAid mixer, all the different things. 188 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: You need so little food in your life to get by. 189 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: It should be a minor thing in your life. 190 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm just about to spend a lot of 191 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 2: money on a grill, and you had to say that. 192 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: Now I feel bad about it. 193 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: Oh kind of grill, what's it gonna do? 194 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: A good grill, A nice grill. 195 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: I got that little hobo one that's on the cement. 196 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a homeless guy, little mini webber. 197 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: I have I have to get down on my knees 198 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: to use it. It's a it's a Weber with three bees. 199 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: It's Chinese knock. 200 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 1: It costs like I think it cost eight and a 201 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: half dollars. I got it on sale, getting a Timu 202 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: or whatever. 203 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, so your girl's nicer than that, Oh my. 204 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: Lord, Jack, spend another ten dollars. Get one with legs 205 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: so I don't have to lay down on the ground. 206 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: Cook. 207 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: You don't have to hold it in your hands. Out 208 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: hurts so much. Last night for dinner, three grapes. That's 209 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: all I had there, you go, So, yeah, you're right, Jeff, 210 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: you don't need much food. Well, I guess that's it.