1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to a bonus episode of Variety's Strictly Business podcast. 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm Cynthia Lyttleton, co editor in chief of Variety. This morning, 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: July second brought news of the verdict in Shawn Colmbs's 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: federal trial in New York on sex trafficking, racketeering, and 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: prostitution charges. Combs was acquitted of the most serious racketeering 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: and sex trafficking charges. He was convicted on two counts 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: of transportation for prostitution. Variety reporter Ethan Shanfeld has covered 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: the trial from the start. He joins me here to 9 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: discuss the trial and the circus atmosphere in and around 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: the court house after the verdict was read. It was 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: complete with Comb's supporters pouring baby oil on one another 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: in celebration. Here's my conversation with Ethan Ethan Shanfeld. You 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: are a TV reporter for us by day, but you 14 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: have for these last two months you have been our 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: man and Federal court in Lower Manhattan at the Diddy trial. 16 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: You have been rising early and really having some long 17 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: days of late. We do appreciate it. 18 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been quite a ride. 19 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: Take us back eighthn to Monday. 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: You were in the court. 21 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: You were in the overflow room because there's a lot 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: of pressure to get those seats in court. What did 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: you observe the as it all started to really come 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: down and you knew that they were about to read 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: these verdicts. 26 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 3: So Monday, the judge began the day by reading the 27 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: jury with the instructions, which was a pretty long two 28 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 3: three hour process, going in detail, instructing them how to 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 3: interpret the charges, how they should sort of get in 30 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: the room and deliberate with each other. 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: Emphasizing the duty to deliberate. 32 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 3: The judge focused on, you know, you should consider all 33 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: the evidence, and you should have an open mind. You 34 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: should be willing to change your mind when you're met 35 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 3: with good arguments. But he also told the jurors not 36 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: to surrender their beliefs just for the purpose of reaching 37 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: a unanimous verdict. And then the jury ended up deliberating 38 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: for a thirteen hours across two days, and at the 39 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: end of Tuesday, they came in with a note for 40 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 3: the judge and they said that they had reached a 41 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 3: verdict on four of the five counts, and the judge 42 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 3: instructed them to continue deliberating. 43 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: And that. 44 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: You know, they really he re emphasized the part of 45 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: the jury instructions where he said, you know, keep an 46 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: open mind, you can change your mind, consider the evidence. 47 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 3: And then that brought us to today when they got 48 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: back in the room, and I think to many people's surprise, 49 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 3: after about an hour of additional deliberations, they said that 50 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: they had reached a verdict on all counts. 51 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: Before you go into more, I want to ask you 52 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: one thing. On Monday, when they were going through that 53 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: long recitation of the instructions, what could you observe from 54 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: the body language? Were the jurors paying attention? Were their 55 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: eyes wandering? 56 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: The jury has seemed to take this whole process incredibly seriously. 57 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: I will say that they seemed very intent on listening 58 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: to the judge's instructions. Sean Conbes's lawyer, Mark Agnifilo praised 59 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: the jury at the end of Tuesday when they had 60 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 3: brought back the partial verdict. He said that the court 61 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 3: should not need to provide the jury with any additional 62 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: instructions because they've been an incredibly efficient jury so far 63 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: and that they've been paying attention. There was also a 64 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 3: previous juror issue a few weeks ago where one of 65 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: the juris was dismissed, and one of the things that 66 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: the attorneys were talking about was how this jury really 67 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: has paid close attention, It has taken their duty pretty seriously. 68 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: Okay, so you were surprised that they came back after 69 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: just about an hour. 70 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that when they had said they reached 71 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: a partial verdict, they came back in and in a 72 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: note described to the judge that there were jurors on 73 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: both sides with quote, unpersuadable opinions on. 74 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: Either side, and this is really into the racketeering charge. 75 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: And so I think a lot of people expected that 76 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: these deliberations would take much longer because of these unpersuadable opinions. 77 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: You know, the judge was even talking about holding them 78 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: on Thursday, which otherwise would be a court holiday for 79 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: July third, and you know, even Monday was mentioned as 80 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: a day where they would come back and deliberate. So 81 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 3: I think the fact that they were done this morning 82 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: caught everybody by surprise. 83 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: So once everybody knows that the verdict is about to come, 84 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: what was the ritual that you observed in terms of 85 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: before the actual the envelope was opened, as it were. 86 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody stands up as the jury files in. It's 87 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: quite a slow process as they come in one by 88 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 3: one and sit down and then everybody sits. Sean Combs 89 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 3: was watching the jury pretty focused on them, and when 90 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 3: the judge read the note saying that they had come 91 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: to a partial verdict, nobody in the room knew what 92 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: the partial verdict was, so it seemed like Diddy and 93 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 3: his team tensed up and got pretty nervous. There was 94 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: about a thirty minute waiting period in between when the 95 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: judge got the note and then when he brought the 96 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: jury back in, and during that time I observed did 97 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: He tapping his fingers, crossing his legs, whispering to his attorneys. 98 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: It seemed like they had taken the partial verdict. 99 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: As not a good sign for him, which ultimately we 100 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: learned today ended up being a pretty good. 101 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: Outcome for him. 102 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: What was did he wearing? 103 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 3: He was wearing a cream colored sweater. I believe every 104 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: day of the trial he's come in with a sweater 105 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: and a white collared shirt underneath. I believe he has 106 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 3: a rotation of five different sweaters, and a few of 107 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 3: them are lighter in color, like cream or oatmeal or 108 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: gray and then he has one that's more brown or maroon, 109 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 3: and I believe he has. 110 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 2: A black one as well. 111 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: Wow, in a different era, that would have been a 112 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: sales opportunity for him. So and then what did you observe? 113 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: There were some gasps after the first the first. 114 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 3: Verdict was not guilty on the racketeering charge, which was 115 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 3: count one, There were gasps. Did he ended up sort 116 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: of like pumping his fist in the air. After they 117 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: were all read, people in the overflow rooms were cheering 118 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 3: and breaking out into applause, which was not entirely surprising 119 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 3: because during closing arguments, you know, the prosecution's five hour 120 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: argument landed with sort of a silence in the overflow room. 121 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: And then when Ditty's attorney, Mark Agnifolo finished his argument, 122 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 3: there were people stood up, people cheered, people yelled. The 123 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 3: public section of the courthouse seems to be very pro Ditty. 124 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 3: And you know, then the rest of the people there 125 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: are really mostly journalists and then some people who just 126 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: work in the US Attorney's office that come by to 127 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: watch here and there. 128 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: Did that coalescing of the pro Diddy camp? Did that 129 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: surprise you? Did that grow? Over time? 130 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: It did seem to grow over time. It seems like 131 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: things reached a climax this week. 132 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 3: You know, after the verdict was read, people were literally 133 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: squirting baby oil on each other and cheering. They were 134 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: chanting freedom, They were chanting you know, the saying from 135 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: the OJ trial, which is, you know, if the glove 136 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: does not fit, you must have quit. Even though that 137 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: doesn't really have any bearing on this trial, you know 138 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: did the's family was coming out, coming in and out 139 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 3: of the van, and people were congratulating the kids. 140 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: I was in the cafeteria where his kids and his 141 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: mother were. 142 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: And a lot of the people, including journalists, were going 143 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: up to them and saying congratulations. It's I don't know 144 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: how surprising it is, but it certainly seemed to reach 145 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: a culmination these past few days. 146 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: It truly does sound like a circus atmosphere. And I 147 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: just want to be clear. People had, like the bottles 148 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: of baby oil, not in the courtroom, You're. 149 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: Talking about outside outside. Yes, I knew. 150 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: Yesterday I talked to a woman who is a content 151 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 3: creator and is outside the courthouse every day filming herself. 152 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 3: She had brought twenty five bottles of baby oil and 153 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 3: had told me that they were going to basically pop 154 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: them like champagne. 155 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: After the verdict was read and then lo and behold. 156 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 3: Today there were people squirting it on each other, there 157 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: were people dancing without their shirts on people in underwear, 158 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: and then there's just police that are trying to keep 159 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: everything in order. But it has been definitely a circus, 160 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 3: is the way I would describe it. 161 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: Sticking with the pro Diddy camp, would you say the 162 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: sentiment was that he was over zealously charged. Were people 163 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: saying let the man have his lifestyle despite the obvious 164 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: evidence of violence. 165 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: I think there's probably a variety of opinions there. 166 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 3: I think there are people who think he's completely innocent 167 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 3: and who would not accept any of the evidence that 168 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 3: the prosecution showed over you know, six or seven weeks. 169 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: I think there are people who believe that he committed. 170 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 3: Acts of violence, took a lot of drugs, had a 171 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: sort of toxic relationship with some of these women, but 172 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 3: that he was not guilty of sex trafficking or racketeering, 173 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: that those charges that the government brought against him were 174 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 3: maybe a little too high. You know, one guy yesterday 175 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 3: was handing out t shirts that said a freako is 176 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 3: not a rico In reference to the racketeering charge, and 177 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 3: I think that sort of speaks to the mindset that 178 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 3: a lot of these people have, which is like Diddy 179 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 3: had a lot of sexual fetishes. 180 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: He lived a wild life behind closed doors. 181 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 3: But you know, as his attorney said, he's not the 182 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: leader of a criminal enterprise and he was not a 183 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: sex trafficker. That these women, you know, voluntarily played into 184 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 3: this lifestyle because they loved him and they wanted to 185 00:09:59,400 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: be with him. 186 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: It's been such an extraordinary look behind the scenes at 187 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: people with money and power and means and the power 188 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: of celebrity. What did you learn about the process. What 189 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: stood out to you about getting this very very strong 190 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: look at the legal system in process. 191 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 3: I think one thing that I was a little surprised 192 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: by was how friendly everybody was. I mean, especially among 193 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: the journalists. I kind of went in thinking, you know, 194 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 3: we'd be elbowing each other out of the way, diving 195 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 3: into elevators to get outside first, you know, that sort 196 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 3: of thing. But really, everybody was so helpful to each other. 197 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: So you know, if somebody, you know, missed a quote 198 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 3: that the judge said, like people were happy to sort 199 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: of share their notebooks or this is what he said. 200 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: People shared information with each other pretty willingly, you know, 201 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 3: even the sort of more extreme pro diddy people who were. 202 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: Just there to watch. 203 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: You know, if you get in conversations with them, I 204 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 3: might not agree with them on everything, but they have 205 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: an interesting perspective. 206 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: Most of them were good people. 207 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: And you know, all the court martials who you know, 208 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 3: might have sort of hazed me now and then when 209 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 3: going through security. 210 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 2: Four or five times a day to keep reaching my editors. 211 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 3: You know, they we always greeted each other good morning. 212 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: You know, they're pretty jovial and also helpful. 213 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: So I think, you know, the whole experience of covering 214 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: this trial over the last two months has been, you know, 215 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: pretty fun in some aspects. 216 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: You meet a lot of people, You get close to people. 217 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: You're sitting in a room for eight hours a day 218 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: with no technology, so you know, you really have to 219 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 3: in those periods where nothing is happening, You're getting to 220 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: know people. 221 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: That alone in your lifetime has got to be a 222 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: very unique experience. Being hours and hours away from your 223 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: phone and laptop. That must have really sharpened your listening 224 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: and your reporting skills. 225 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 2: Certainly, we kept saying it felt like school, like. 226 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 3: Everybody had their pens and their notebooks, and you know 227 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: everybody's listening pretty closely. It definitely helped my speed at 228 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 3: transcribing by hand, which is something that you know, I 229 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 3: don't get a lot of practice doing in my day 230 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 3: to day job. 231 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: Very good old school skills that will serve you well 232 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: in a power outage and other issues. Well, Ethan, thank you. 233 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: I love hearing about the camaraderie, even even in tough 234 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: situations and very very serious charges. I love hearing about 235 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: the camaraderie of journalism because the other big story of 236 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: the past twenty four hours, President Trump and CBS settling 237 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: the very specious lawsuit, has been a very dark day 238 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: for journalism. But you're reminding me that it goes on 239 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: and the job of bearing witness and chronicling is really 240 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: really important, and you've done an incredible job. Now, with 241 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: all that said, let's end on a lighter note, because 242 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: everything is eventually turned into a limited true crime, real 243 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: life story. Who would you cast as the lead defense 244 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: attorney and who would you cast for the lead prosecution attorney? 245 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 3: Well, I suppose it depends on how big the budget 246 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 3: of this project is. 247 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: If it's an HBO, mini series. I'm going to pull 248 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 2: out some big. 249 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: Names fooking like a variety reporter. 250 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 3: I think maybe Amy Adams could play the lead prosecutor, 251 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 3: Maureen Comy, and I think for Diddy's lead council Mark Agnifilo, 252 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 3: I think Mark Ruffalo. They have very similar names, and 253 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: I do think he could pull that off. 254 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: Ethan, again, thank you so much for taking the time 255 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: on a busy day that is not over for you. 256 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: Deeply appreciated. Thanks so much, Cynthia, thanks for listening. 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