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Speaker 2: We ran out of time on the radio show to

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Speaker 2: Maybe you know his name, if you've been following this

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Speaker 1: How annoying.

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Speaker 3: We've spent an entire career poking the bear jabbing the

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Speaker 2: That, right, going back to twenty twelve, twelve years ago,

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Speaker 2: dozen years ago, he wouldn't bake a custom wedding cake

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Speaker 2: and finally, in twenty twenty eighteen, six years later, the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court ruled narrowly for mister Phillips, finding that they

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Speaker 2: had acted with particular animus toward his faith. So anyway, Katie,

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Speaker 3: Time we referred to the cake as a gake, a gig.

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Speaker 2: But he had to think at that time, finally, this

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Speaker 2: Why are you gonna make such a big point out

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Speaker 2: of this, He doesn't want to make your cake. Plenty

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Speaker 2: be offended and put upon. If I want to have

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Speaker 3: He says, Hey, I'm Palestinian American. I'm kind of an

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, okay, I can respect that. Thanks anyway,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to pretend that he's done me some

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Speaker 1: A joke, Yes, kidny, this.

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Speaker 4: From the Babylon be millions of gay people die of hunger.

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Speaker 4: Is one bakery in Colorado no longer forced to bake

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Right, So he thought he was out of the woods,

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Speaker 2: of course it was an attorney called him. Didn't even

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Speaker 2: Were not same, Poor baker, I couldn't put into you know,

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Speaker 2: So a lawyer calls you up in order to cake,

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Speaker 4: You think they just remembered that this baker had gone

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, why did they choose the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Phillips declined again on religious free exercise grounds. The

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Speaker 1: I assume somebody's picking up his legal costs. God, I

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Speaker 3: So I want that lawyer to be found, taken into custody,

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Speaker 2: And so what if they had won, what would their

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Speaker 3: Creative people to exercise their creativity for.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not It was always used as an example,

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Speaker 3: And what bothers me is a free speech advocate of

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Speaker 1: You can't make me do that. I find it abhorrent.

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Speaker 3: Now, maybe what this guy finds abhorrent is different than

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Speaker 3: icing piping things. You stick it down the guy's throat

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Speaker 5: Now, That's what I was thinking. If I'm forced to

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Speaker 2: Joe's on punishing the lawyer. So you put a funnel

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Speaker 2: Here you go. So that lawyer, who again called, wouldn't

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Speaker 2: cake celebrating a gender transition, and also requested a second

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Speaker 2: cake depicting Satan smoking marijuana. Oh, come, on. They were

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Speaker 2: totally setting this up. Of course they were, which is

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Speaker 1: But this is but they were right. He's wrong, He's

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Speaker 2: you know the joke, okatie, It's one of my favorite

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Speaker 2: and the doctor says, then don't do that. Okay, fair,

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Speaker 1: Then you go home. It's classic.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting a I'm getting something done today that is

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Speaker 2: It's one of your more funny things you can get done.

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Speaker 5: You'll feel better if you do talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Always, always, Michael's role is to say, sure, go ahead

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Speaker 1: You could you probably guess getting a third arm.

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Speaker 5: Fair.

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Speaker 1: We'll respect it.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, it's going to involve pain and uh and some

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Speaker 2: So almost ninety percent of people say, I don't want

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Speaker 3: But there's counseling you can do to change your mindset

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Speaker 1: This is life. Now I'm going to go about my business.

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Speaker 2: How I've never been able to I've never Luckily, I

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Speaker 2: The pain management includes a bag of frozen peas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have this fantasy of playing one round of

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Speaker 2: Not even like a twenty five have lunch with Abraham Lincoln.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit the links as a young man instead.

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Speaker 1: Also the eating situation, to be younger and eat again.

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Speaker 1: To eat and then you're fine. Here you're two minutes later,

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Speaker 1: you still feel great.

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Speaker 5: I used to be an hour later, sit down and

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Speaker 5: eat a large pizza to myself, Oh yeah, crush that thing,

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Speaker 5: or do you know what?

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Speaker 3: You know? The inevitable part of every guy's golf trip

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Speaker 3: is you go out for steaks, you know, three out

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Speaker 3: of four of them, that is what you do, or,

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Speaker 3: in the case of the one I'm going to do

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Speaker 3: next week, you cook him at home.

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Speaker 1: But I used to be.

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Speaker 3: Able to hammer down a hunk of meat the size

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Speaker 3: of a house cat.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was. I enjoyed the last bite as

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Speaker 1: much as the first. Now I feel like a little lady.

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Speaker 1: I'll take the petit philet. Oh, go ahead and get

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Speaker 1: the New York strip, and I take half.

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Speaker 3: Of it home.

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Speaker 1: Do you get mocked by your friends? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: because they're old.

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Speaker 2: Who lady, Lady, Lady's like a very mockable thing. You

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Speaker 2: get the tiny little does your husband order steak?

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Speaker 3: I mean, come on, So I was rooming with another

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Speaker 3: guy in this last trip. I took it, and I

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Speaker 3: was putting a steak in the fridge in the hotel room.

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Speaker 3: I said, what percentage of the time do hotel room

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Speaker 3: fridge steaks actually get consumed? The next morning?

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Speaker 1: He said zero? Yeah, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: I forgot it was even in there, very sellable. There's

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Speaker 2: the forgetting. Then there's a realizing I don't have any

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Speaker 2: of you utensils necessary to eat a steak, even though

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Speaker 2: I've got this really great, expensive steak here. So sometimes

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Speaker 2: I have been in my hotel room holding the steak

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Speaker 2: in my hand like an apple eating holes.

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Speaker 1: That's going to say, it's just.

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Speaker 6: Wasted forks at the end of your arms. They're called hands.

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Speaker 1: Oh that needs to be on a T shirt.

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Speaker 5: That may be the greatest saying ever. Katie, Well, I

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Speaker 5: guess that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty funny, ah,