Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're always grinding our face off.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal and beyond lucky today to be joined
Speaker 1: by Nick Shook, who's gonna do some news with me.
Speaker 1: Also excited Will Brinson will be joining me a little
Speaker 1: bit later to talk about players. We're all in on
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four. I'm all in on Nick Shook
Speaker 1: this year. It's a big year for Nick Shook.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, every year, in this time of year,
Speaker 2: we set expectations high, and we want to live up
Speaker 2: to those expectations. It's not quite a chip tracker, it's
Speaker 2: not best shape in my life, but the potential making
Speaker 2: the leap happening right here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, before your eyes.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 1: Nick is rested, hopefully had a little time off little
Speaker 1: boy's trip, which which is nice. I think that's the
Speaker 1: only time off he said all season. And yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna keep you busy today and all season long, Shook,
Speaker 1: You're going to be doing the news a lot with me.
Speaker 1: You're going to be doing a lot of that the
Speaker 1: primetime games with me. And yeah, let's get right into
Speaker 1: the news, all right. We start in Pittsburgh, where Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson was back on the field today. Shooky did some
Speaker 1: individual drills, but it was still justin fields with the
Speaker 1: first team, and Fields has had a nice little run
Speaker 1: here to start training camp with the first team. Other
Speaker 1: news there, Unfortunately, Roman Wilson, their rookie wide receiver, left
Speaker 1: practice with an ankle injury. We haven't gotten severity of
Speaker 1: that yet. Mike Tomlin didn't sound incredibly enthused about it,
Speaker 1: so we'll have to wait and see. But for a
Speaker 1: third round rookie pick, he expected to be a bigger
Speaker 1: part of the Steelers' plans than most rookies would be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big bummer for me personally because he
Speaker 2: was one of my favorite picks in this entire draft,
Speaker 2: and especially how he would fit in that Steelers receiving corps.
Speaker 2: I thought he's a great compliment to George Pickens. He
Speaker 2: was a sneaky good receiver at Michigan for those who
Speaker 2: paid attention to the Wolverines.
Speaker 3: So it's a bombery.
Speaker 2: Hear he exits on a cart, you know, early in camp,
Speaker 2: But then again, we don't quite know yet. So until
Speaker 2: we know, we can hold out hope that hey, look
Speaker 2: you got a month, let's say he can come back.
Speaker 2: In a month, you're gonna miss some of those rookie reps.
Speaker 2: But hopefully there's enough of a run way there where
Speaker 2: he could come back. Just just keep my fingers crossed
Speaker 2: that the worst doesn't happen. But when it comes to
Speaker 2: Fields and Wilson, you know, if we were sitting back
Speaker 2: a month ago, which we were, and saying when is
Speaker 2: Justin Field's going to end the conversation because Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: is the starter as of right now. Well he just
Speaker 2: got quite a jump on that process by getting all
Speaker 2: these opportunities with Russell Wilson out And even today, Russell Wilson,
Speaker 2: according to those who were there, wasn't quite moving a lot.
Speaker 2: It was more about passes than moving around. So they're
Speaker 2: treating that really gingerly, which is going to keep the
Speaker 2: door cracked open for Justin Fields could affect this whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always tricky to know which minor injuries to
Speaker 1: talk about it this time of year because you just
Speaker 1: don't know how they're gonna last.
Speaker 4: I wanted to.
Speaker 1: Choose these two because Wilson, who's been quite durable, is
Speaker 1: getting up there in years in a soft tissoo injury
Speaker 1: like this two start year year. It's not just that
Speaker 1: he's missing reps. He's a veteran, although it's a new system,
Speaker 1: and he's letting justin fields get those reps and I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's not feeling that comfortable about that, which is
Speaker 1: maybe why he's forcing getting back on the field too early.
Speaker 1: When you see these types of injuries with veterans, they
Speaker 1: often reoccur. And I know we got a while before
Speaker 1: the regular season starts, but that's a concern. And then
Speaker 1: with rookies, they just missed that time that they can
Speaker 1: never get back. So you hope even if it was
Speaker 1: something where he's back nick before the regular season. I
Speaker 1: can just hear the twenty twenty five puff piece. That's
Speaker 1: like Roman Wilson I never quite got back up to
Speaker 1: speed after missing training camp. And it's especially interesting to
Speaker 1: me just because they don't have any receivers. I can't
Speaker 1: believe they went into training camp with Pickens as they're
Speaker 1: one okay, and then Van Jefferson, Calvin Austen and Roman
Speaker 1: Wilson as their two three four. It's one of the
Speaker 1: worst two three fours in the league. No, all of
Speaker 1: those guys have chances. I think Van Jefferson maybe the
Speaker 1: ship has sailed on him. But it's a tough situation,
Speaker 1: I think for the quarterbacks in Pittsburgh this offense where
Speaker 1: they're having a lot of new pieces on the offensive
Speaker 1: line too, which are promising, but it's just a lot
Speaker 1: of question marks for Arthur Smith to deal with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a pivotal season because you have
Speaker 2: Arthur Smith there, you know, putting a new offense, and
Speaker 2: you have so many young pieces that you're going to
Speaker 2: be counting on, and so when you lose one of those,
Speaker 2: that's obviously going to hurt you. But on the flip side,
Speaker 2: I often wonder, you know the puff piece that you
Speaker 2: just referenced, Well, we also hear the piece at the
Speaker 2: end of the season, which is, oh, man, I really
Speaker 2: hit the rookie wall around week twelve. Does a month
Speaker 2: off or how long he could miss? Does that prevent
Speaker 2: you hitting the rookie wall? Is this the second half resurgence?
Speaker 2: Is this a making the leap candidate going into twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five? Anything's possible, Okay. I mean it worked for
Speaker 2: Odell Beckham his rookie season. I think that works more
Speaker 2: for the next guy we'll talk about. Arden Key was
Speaker 2: a veteran who suspended six games for PDS. Now, there
Speaker 2: are guys that come back from the pd suspension and
Speaker 2: they're never the same, and you wonder what's the cause
Speaker 2: and effect here. I don't know if that's gonna be
Speaker 2: the case with arden Key, and he's a guy who's
Speaker 2: a key pass rusher, not a superstar. But I think
Speaker 2: it's a nice spot for veterans to miss six games
Speaker 2: of the season and then, assuming he's healthy, just come
Speaker 2: back in and be kind of like a mid season replacement. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it would be nice to get some reinforcements during the
Speaker 2: regular season that are fresh because they had a month
Speaker 2: and a half off. It's interesting with him though, because
Speaker 2: his career trajectory, like he came out of LSU as
Speaker 2: a guy who was always gonna be a first round pick,
Speaker 2: but there were concerns about his effort level, and he's
Speaker 2: been fighting those his whole career and he's actually put
Speaker 2: together a pretty good career, never quite what a lot
Speaker 2: of people thought it would be. But maybe you get
Speaker 2: that six weeks off, you're like, Hey, I'm refreshed, I'm rejuvening,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give full effort for the first time.
Speaker 1: So Arden Key, I should have mentioned, is on the
Speaker 1: Titans now and had a nice season a year ago.
Speaker 1: You know, has been previously with the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: and the Jaguars, and their defense, to me, has a
Speaker 1: lot of questions. Not a defense we've talked about a lot.
Speaker 1: They're hoping they get the full herold Landry back, but
Speaker 1: Key was kind of their second best edge rusher. So
Speaker 1: that's a big loss for the Titans. And just on
Speaker 1: the topic of suspensions, I do want to note Rashi
Speaker 1: Rice has not been suspended and Jordan Addison has not
Speaker 1: been suspended, and I did ask around a little bit
Speaker 1: about this. I just think it's fair to say that
Speaker 1: no one knows when it comes to suspensions. But I
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that the Chiefs, who probably
Speaker 1: earlier in the offseason just assumed that this guy's going
Speaker 1: to miss time, now aren't so sure and are wondering
Speaker 1: if this potential suspension is not going to come until
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, because the NFL would rather let the
Speaker 1: legal process play out, and it's going to end up
Speaker 1: taking that long. So it's just something to watch there.
Speaker 1: You don't need to comment on that, but it's something
Speaker 1: to watch that we've kind of assumed Raci Rice is
Speaker 1: not going to be there all seventeen. I'm not so
Speaker 1: sure about that, and the same is true for Jordan Addison,
Speaker 1: but it still could happen. The NFL is extremely unpredictable
Speaker 1: when it comes to suspensions, but sometimes they do wait
Speaker 1: until the next season. I want to mention a potential holdout.
Speaker 1: As we're taping, we're reading a report from ESPN's Mike
Speaker 1: Reese that teammates of Matthew Judon did not see him
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, and that's coming off a story Nick that
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the video of Matthew
Speaker 1: Judon at practice on Monday conducting a holden. Basically, he
Speaker 1: had been practicing, but then they put the pads on,
Speaker 1: and he didn't put the pads on, and he was
Speaker 1: just on the side of practice. And you wonder if
Speaker 1: he relayed this plan to anyone else ahead of time.
Speaker 1: My guess is no, because Girod Mayo goes over and
Speaker 1: talks to him, and with all the reporters there and
Speaker 1: everything like that, like, Judon gets worked up. They have
Speaker 1: a conversation. Mayo stays calm, but Judon really gets worked up.
Speaker 1: He goes inside, he comes back outside. Then it's another
Speaker 1: conversation with some front office people that are there. Again,
Speaker 1: Judan looks, you know, unhappy to the people that were there,
Speaker 1: and then it sounds like he wasn't at work Tuesday.
Speaker 1: So it's just one of those things to me that
Speaker 1: I can't imagine happening. And I'm not saying it's that
Speaker 1: bad or good, but it's just you wouldn't have seen
Speaker 1: this under Bill Belichick.
Speaker 4: It's a new day there in New England.
Speaker 2: And that's their first reaction as wow, this is very
Speaker 2: unpatriot like. It's also kind of it's just getting messier
Speaker 2: because he arrived by saying, look, I'm here even though
Speaker 2: I'm not happy with my contract because I signed on
Speaker 2: the dotted line. It's a commitment that I made, and
Speaker 2: in the same breath said, but I don't think that,
Speaker 2: you know, my contract matches my value. Then he's participating.
Speaker 2: Then as soon as the pads come on and his
Speaker 2: greatest asset, which is his health, is suddenly potentially threatened
Speaker 2: by you know, the full contact practice, he's sitting out.
Speaker 2: But most of these instances, guys stay off the side,
Speaker 2: or they stay inside the building.
Speaker 3: They don't come out.
Speaker 2: He's sitting on a flipped over trash can right next
Speaker 2: to his teammates doing their drills, just chilling, making a
Speaker 2: scene without doing anything but sitting there, and of course
Speaker 2: that's going to irritate Drod Mayo. So the fact that
Speaker 2: he went out there and did that, you had to
Speaker 2: think this was all kind of planned and it was
Speaker 2: him making a statement.
Speaker 3: So the fact that we got to this next point
Speaker 3: now not a surprise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's squeezed, he's turning the screws a little bit.
Speaker 1: He's only do six point five million, and he's one
Speaker 1: of their best players, but he's coming off a really serious,
Speaker 1: difficult injury that caused him to miss basically all of
Speaker 1: last season. So it's a tricky spot. But I just
Speaker 1: have noticed Drod Mayo to start camp speaking to the media,
Speaker 1: you know, was okay with Devon Godshaw also had a
Speaker 1: public displeasure with his contract, talking to the media about it,
Speaker 1: and Drod Mayo was like, Hey, I want to let
Speaker 1: guys be able to voice their displeasure. He's going to
Speaker 1: be more of a player's coach and really rely on
Speaker 1: that relationship. And this is just just the first example
Speaker 1: of like okay, but that's being tested. Most most coaches
Speaker 1: would not allow that much from the players, and it'll
Speaker 1: just be interesting to see how he handles this. I
Speaker 1: was a little disappointed, shooky how the head coach of
Speaker 1: the Bears, Matt Eberflus, is handling the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: game because Caleb Williams is not going to play. Not
Speaker 1: that I really blame him, but I just want to
Speaker 1: watch that game and want to have some fun. I
Speaker 1: know you're going to be there. You're excited for a
Speaker 1: little Tyson baigin No, but I was excited to see
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. I mean, at least get a series or
Speaker 1: two out of him.
Speaker 2: You know, it's pretty common that coaches will treat the
Speaker 2: rookies with kid gloves, especially massive investments like Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2: But Caleb also went out on record yesterday is saying, look,
Speaker 2: I think these reps are really important, and he used
Speaker 2: the word paramount twice.
Speaker 3: It's paramount to my development.
Speaker 2: And this is where you know, I feel like I
Speaker 2: need to improve and just seeing the shells and everything
Speaker 2: else and making decisions and all that stuff. And you know,
Speaker 2: even though joint practices are becoming more and more popular
Speaker 2: in this new world of training camp in which they
Speaker 2: don't do two days and everything.
Speaker 3: The games you still can't replace live bullets.
Speaker 4: Oh he's gonna play Cale, He's.
Speaker 3: Not going to get that in this game. It's just
Speaker 3: a bummer.
Speaker 1: So this is where the Hall of Fame Game is
Speaker 1: probably rooting for that idea where there would be an
Speaker 1: eighteen game regular season and a two games preseason, which
Speaker 1: could happen someday. It could, it might not, because then
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame Game is only the third preseason game.
Speaker 1: The problem the Hall of Fame Game has still is
Speaker 1: like the Bears have said they're gonna play Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: They think it's important. He might play two preseason games.
Speaker 1: The problem is, just if you're gonna pick two, this
Speaker 1: isn't one of those two. He might even play three.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't shock me. But my guess is gonna be
Speaker 1: he'll play next week, he'll play the week after that,
Speaker 1: maybe a decent amount, like a quarter and a half
Speaker 1: or something. But unfortunately for the Hall of Fame Game,
Speaker 1: it is the fourth week of the preseason, which otherwise
Speaker 1: we've eliminated. We haven't eliminated Tyson Bagent though I thought
Speaker 1: it was interesting. I don't know if you heard this
Speaker 1: earlier in the week. It's Tyson Bagent talking about his
Speaker 1: off season and his off season training.
Speaker 5: Ale's too busy grinding my absolute face off in the offseason.
Speaker 4: Who the hardest grinding your face off thing.
Speaker 6: That you did?
Speaker 5: June nineteenth, shout out to my one of my best friends,
Speaker 5: Derek Gallagher one mile, Burbie broad Jump hour and seven minutes.
Speaker 5: Let's go Burbie broad JONP Burbie broad JONP.
Speaker 6: One mind.
Speaker 5: You know, I might not be getting better necessarily at
Speaker 5: football when I'm doing a workout like that, However, just
Speaker 5: the mental edge that it gives me finding out, you know,
Speaker 5: what I can endure versus what the next man can
Speaker 5: endure in a sense, gives me a little mental as
Speaker 5: when I show up to things like this and people
Speaker 5: start complaining about our schedule, I can kind of have
Speaker 5: somewhere in the back of my head that I've done
Speaker 5: things far worse than this.
Speaker 1: Chuck, I wanted that quote for you. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's the first time you heard it. As as
Speaker 1: a person who treats his body as a temple, what
Speaker 1: do you think of the Burbie broad jump move.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's the Temple, it's closer to
Speaker 3: a guess do rest station. Look, we've been there, we've
Speaker 3: been there.
Speaker 2: You know, if you've played football at you know, basically
Speaker 2: the high school level and beyond, you've been in those
Speaker 2: situations where you're running distance and you're thinking, how is
Speaker 2: this helping me at football? Like I'm dying out here?
Speaker 2: Why am I running a mile after I just ran
Speaker 2: twenty one hundred yard dashes? You're in your conditioning test
Speaker 2: and you're just sweating and dying. But it does increase
Speaker 2: that intestinal fortitude, that mental strength that you need to play.
Speaker 2: So Tyson Bage's gonna be on the sideline and Kayleb
Speaker 2: Williams is throwing for three touchdowns and he's gonna be like,
Speaker 2: this is great. But you know what, guys, burpy broad
Speaker 2: jump mile, throw me in there. I'm tougher than all
Speaker 2: these guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, Tyson Baje, Okay, I thought you were gonna
Speaker 1: you were gonna slag on them a little bit because yeah,
Speaker 1: trainer Twitter did not like it.
Speaker 4: They're like, you're not getting anything out of this, There's no.
Speaker 1: It's true, Like calm down, I say, calm down, trainer Twitter,
Speaker 1: and they're just testing himself mentally.
Speaker 4: It's like, it's so many passes can you throw?
Speaker 1: You're also not gonna hurt yourself doing that either, Like
Speaker 1: it's totally fine. I support you, Tyson Bage. I love
Speaker 1: that hairdo hey. You outplayed as an undrafted free agent,
Speaker 1: the number one overall picking the draft. As a rookie
Speaker 1: last year, I would say he was better. And he's
Speaker 1: probably their backup. Brett Rippen is the other guy in
Speaker 1: that room, which.
Speaker 3: No, it's Tyson Bage's backup.
Speaker 1: John feels weird. I I want to absolutely grind my
Speaker 1: face off. Let's wrap up the news before the speed round.
Speaker 1: Just mentioned quickly. John Kaminsky of the Yons, who's a
Speaker 1: key part of their rotation, tore his mcl. It sounds
Speaker 1: like he will miss the season. He could be back
Speaker 1: for the playoffs, was the initial rapport.
Speaker 4: And yeah, just a little risky. We've talked.
Speaker 1: I talked about that just on the last show that
Speaker 1: DJ Reader little you know, coming off a huge injury.
Speaker 1: A lot of boomer bust players and that's a guy
Speaker 1: that they really relied on. So tough news, especially for
Speaker 1: John Kaminsky and the lines. And then finally, Mike Rabel
Speaker 1: has been working with the Browns.
Speaker 4: Shook. This isn't breaking news or anything.
Speaker 1: We've known this since the start of camp, but we
Speaker 1: haven't addressed it here in an uncertain role where I
Speaker 1: think he's kind of like just helping them as an advisor,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of an advanced scout working on
Speaker 1: the next opponent, but also helping them with tight ends.
Speaker 1: What do you think about Mike Rabel as part of
Speaker 1: the brown staff. It's pretty badass, actually.
Speaker 2: You know, if it was a different regime, it was
Speaker 2: a Hugh Jackson regime, I'd be worried because there would be,
Speaker 2: you know, egos clashing and insecurities that might not be
Speaker 2: in fighting. But in this this is stable. Kevin Stefanski's
Speaker 2: been there for a while now, and bring another mind
Speaker 2: like Mike Rabel, who I thought was one of the
Speaker 2: more underrated coaches in the NFL and didn't deserve to
Speaker 2: be fired because the Titans tore down the roster around him. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I think it only helps the team.
Speaker 3: Plus you get.
Speaker 2: Cool highlights of Mike Rabel sprinting in races against Jameis
Speaker 2: Winston during practice.
Speaker 1: Who doesn't like that. It's embarrassing. Not that Rabel isn't
Speaker 1: an athlete, but he's getting up there in years. He's
Speaker 1: a big guy, and the sprints it's close. But yeah,
Speaker 1: no one, No one's ever accused Jamis Winston. I guess
Speaker 1: of being in like an uber athlete, that that was
Speaker 1: part of his charm. But you got you gotta be
Speaker 1: Vrabel And good job by Kevin Stefanski and that Browns crew.
Speaker 1: This is where being a good dude and having relationships
Speaker 1: pays off, because you can't. Mike Rabel is gonna help
Speaker 1: that team that is a great coaching staff already, and
Speaker 1: they just signed a contract extension and you said it.
Speaker 1: They're secure in where they're at and I love that move.
Speaker 1: He will absolutely help them. Let's do the speed round.
Speaker 1: Randy Chavez. Zach Wilson appears to be out of the
Speaker 1: starting quarterback rotation.
Speaker 4: Shook it.
Speaker 1: It looks like it's just Jared Stidham or Bo Nicks
Speaker 1: now in Denver.
Speaker 2: And my reaction is, Gee, what a surprise. Couldn't see
Speaker 2: that coming.
Speaker 1: To surprise to Steve Weis, who was trying to honk
Speaker 1: about Wilson a couple of weeks ago on this show.
Speaker 1: Chase Young fully back to practice, which is great coming
Speaker 1: off of a neck surgery. Kendre Miller, they're running back
Speaker 1: that they took in the third round, who was supposed
Speaker 1: to be their backup, really hasn't practiced at all at
Speaker 1: Saints camp, and Chris o'lave left practice with a hip injury.
Speaker 1: That is a thin receiver group shook if Chris o'lavey
Speaker 1: is not out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not excited about this because that offense was
Speaker 2: very uninspired last year and Chris o'lave any sort of
Speaker 2: injury or nick along the way, I'm worried about it
Speaker 2: because they need to have everybody healthy in order to
Speaker 2: get them to where they need to go offensively, since
Speaker 2: they never got there last year.
Speaker 1: Right, it falls off a cliff. He's supposedly been having
Speaker 1: a great tramp camp. We don't know if it's serious.
Speaker 1: Chreevon Diggs back on the field from his torn acl
Speaker 1: so that is great. Happy trails to Rashad Penny. Really
Speaker 1: an exciting runner when he came into the league with Seattle.
Speaker 1: Just too many injuries and he hangs it up. He
Speaker 1: was with the Panthers at twenty eight Kareem Jackson is
Speaker 1: on the Bills. The Falcons have sold out season tickets
Speaker 1: for the first time in twenty years. Kirk Cousins gets
Speaker 1: it done in a way that Matt Ryan and Michael
Speaker 1: Vick never did. What is happening here? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What We spent all this time complaining about them drafting
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix and everyone in Atlanta's just like, now I'm
Speaker 2: buying tickets.
Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 2: We believe in Kirk. We watched quarterback. He's our guy
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 1: I'm shocked by that stat but I love it and
Speaker 1: I love the hype. Finally, kicker battles have been decided.
Speaker 1: A rookie cam Little is the kicker in Jacksonville over
Speaker 1: Riley Patterson who has been cut and the only rookie
Speaker 1: on the Minnesota Vikings, or rather the only kicker on
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 4: Nick is can you name?
Speaker 2: It's a rookie kicker for from Allina? His name's will
Speaker 2: Is it Reichard or reck Card? Yeah, he's a dog,
Speaker 2: he's got a leg, he's clutch kicks when he was
Speaker 2: back at Alabama, and they finally get an answer there.
Speaker 3: I'm excited you did it.
Speaker 1: I didn't I would not have been able to name
Speaker 1: him twenty.
Speaker 4: Four hours ago, but it's over now.
Speaker 1: College football guy and yeah, nice like having a couple
Speaker 1: of kickers on decent teams being rookies. I think that
Speaker 1: just adds a little something to it. Thank you Shuk
Speaker 1: for helping out with the news. And we are going
Speaker 1: to take a quick break here. I will be back
Speaker 1: on the other side with Will Brinson. We're talking about
Speaker 1: players we are all in on and oh yeah, Randy,
Speaker 1: ooh ooh like this is great. Keep this, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: back on NFL Daily. And then I've been excited about
Speaker 1: this next guest ever since. We were texting over the
Speaker 1: weekend about RAFAA on the doll and Carlos Alcarez and realized, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I need to get Will Brentson on this show. One
Speaker 1: of my oldest colleagues, friends in the business. He was,
Speaker 1: you know, back at AOL FanHouse in the oughts, early
Speaker 1: internet days.
Speaker 4: It's Will Brinton of CBS. What's going on?
Speaker 6: What's up? Greg? We've been man, We've been doing this
Speaker 6: for a long time now, haven't. We're closing them. I
Speaker 6: mean it's like a decade half.
Speaker 4: The business keeps changing.
Speaker 1: There's like corporate mergers, but you're still kicking CBS senior
Speaker 1: NFL writer, I'm here, yeah, and one of the best
Speaker 1: dudes if anyone has followed Will's career, funny and knows
Speaker 1: his stuff and has a very manly beard that I
Speaker 1: wish I could grow a beard that good, but I
Speaker 1: just realized it wasn't ever going to be that good.
Speaker 1: So I'm just permanent stubble because I look even older
Speaker 1: without it.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean you you.
Speaker 7: I think, I want to say. We talked about this
Speaker 7: right before NO, right before COVID. No, you were like,
Speaker 7: all right, I'm out on the beard. Every NFL writer
Speaker 7: has a beard, and then COVID happened. Yeah, and everybody,
Speaker 7: you know, everybody grew facial hair.
Speaker 6: I think that. I mean, I like mine. I would,
Speaker 6: you know, I probably.
Speaker 7: I've got some other physical stuff I'm going to work
Speaker 7: on before I work on shaving the beard. Keep tear
Speaker 7: it around, you know, mask and mask uh in mask
Speaker 7: mass various attributes on my face.
Speaker 1: That is one of the great things men have. Women
Speaker 1: just just don't. The beard can just cover up whatever
Speaker 1: you want. I love that you not only you know
Speaker 1: texting me about tennis, and we love connecting about that.
Speaker 1: But you you suggested this idea for a show, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, okay, we got it. We gotta get
Speaker 1: this done even before Will gets back from his vacation
Speaker 1: in Dallas. And so you phrased it as just guys
Speaker 1: were all in on for twenty twenty four, and you
Speaker 1: set the parameters no rookies, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: you said any other parameters that I didn't listen to.
Speaker 1: H but guys, we are We're pushing our chips in
Speaker 1: the table. There are guys for twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 1: maybe we'll track this through the season and see which
Speaker 1: group of our guys are better. But since you came
Speaker 1: up with the idea, Will, I'll let you start off.
Speaker 7: Okay, So I think too, Like I was sort of
Speaker 7: thinking about this, and I don't think that you should
Speaker 7: necessarily have to, you know, go way off the board
Speaker 7: for guys you're all in on right now.
Speaker 1: It can be superstars. I have one on my list,
Speaker 1: a super duper star.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, I do too, And you know I'll
Speaker 7: start let's start with the super duper stars. So I
Speaker 7: think you need to start at the top. You start
Speaker 7: with the big names. You sort of work your way down. Honestly,
Speaker 7: like the impetus for this sort of came from you know,
Speaker 7: whether it's DraftKings or whether it's you know, our palaced
Speaker 7: underdog like Josh Norris and Hayden Winks do great work
Speaker 7: over there, but doing best ball drafts and sort of
Speaker 7: saying like taking a stand on players and who I
Speaker 7: really want to be in on and one guy, I'm
Speaker 7: really really in on that, and this is its like
Speaker 7: a nobleep Sherlock move. But I do think he's undervalued,
Speaker 7: especially if you look at maybe like the MVP markets.
Speaker 7: Okay as well Josh Allen, Oh my god, is this
Speaker 7: a super different star?
Speaker 6: Is that too?
Speaker 4: That is?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, I guess it takes you know,
Speaker 1: two of us, you know, twenty years in the business
Speaker 1: to figure out that Josh Allen is good. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I wrote it's the same. But you go on, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm glad.
Speaker 6: No, No, I mean, I think like I have, You're
Speaker 6: look at like my exposures in these drafts.
Speaker 7: I think he's my maybe my highest exposure quarterback, and
Speaker 7: I think there's a little bit of twenty twenty three
Speaker 7: Patrick mahall or twenty twenty two Patrick Mahons, excuse me,
Speaker 7: Where you know Stefan Diggs is traded in the off season,
Speaker 7: he goes to Houston. Everybody's wondering, can Josh Allen be
Speaker 7: the guy without a true number one receiver? I think
Speaker 7: people are out of the bills. People want to be
Speaker 7: out of the Bills. They've been wanting to be out
Speaker 7: on the bill since last offseason with all the digs
Speaker 7: drama that was circulating in July. And now you have
Speaker 7: the situation where Josh Allen is is like the fourth
Speaker 7: or fifth guy in terms of odds for MVP. I
Speaker 7: saw nine to one in various spots. He's behind C. J. Stroud,
Speaker 7: Greg That's insane.
Speaker 1: I see a list where he's even lower than that,
Speaker 1: to me, which is absolutely crazy.
Speaker 6: Yes, I didn't know. I don't know what the official
Speaker 6: spots like.
Speaker 4: What You're good.
Speaker 1: This is why we got to have Will on more
Speaker 1: more often, because, as you know, I'm an employee of
Speaker 1: the NFL and I have to sign a piece of
Speaker 1: paper every year that says I can't gamble. That said,
Speaker 1: I'm on a show every week that picks games, and
Speaker 1: we pick scores and game debut and so we can
Speaker 1: talk about it and you're you're more of an expert,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's insane to me that he is behind
Speaker 1: guys like Stroud, Lamar, Herbern.
Speaker 4: Purty.
Speaker 1: I see in one and all your points are great,
Speaker 1: and I think there is something about the public going
Speaker 1: so in on the bills last year and they were burned,
Speaker 1: and so you don't want to do it. But it's
Speaker 1: so funny that you wrote him down and you mentioned
Speaker 1: twenty two Mahomes because that is it to me, because
Speaker 1: sometimes MVPs are about narrative, and the narrative is gonna
Speaker 1: be like, oh, it's it's Josh Allen without Stefan Diggs,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna take a step back, just like everyone
Speaker 1: expected Mahomes to do in twenty twenty two without Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1: And yet I look at this group and I like
Speaker 1: this wide receiver group. I like the combination. I like
Speaker 1: that he's not forcing it, and more than anything, I
Speaker 1: just like the point of Josh Allen's career that he's at.
Speaker 1: He reminds me a little of Ben Roethlisberger when Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger was a little bit older Will and I think
Speaker 1: it was where Ben Roethlisberger finally married up for a
Speaker 1: couple of years. His physicality and his strength was still there.
Speaker 1: He wasn't old, but he was just smarter. Like he
Speaker 1: was a better quarterback because he was smarter. And it
Speaker 1: took him a while. It took it takes a lot
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks a while to get to that point. And
Speaker 1: I think Josh Allen is at that point now. It's
Speaker 1: a sweet spot for like one or two years where
Speaker 1: his physicality is still all the way there and his
Speaker 1: mental side has caught up, and he just feels like
Speaker 1: a guy that one of these years is gonna win
Speaker 1: an MVP.
Speaker 4: And this feels like that year to me.
Speaker 7: Well, it is the narrative thing is exactly right. You
Speaker 7: lose gigs, people like you know you and I know
Speaker 7: and we'll get I mean to assume you have this
Speaker 7: tight end on your list to Dalton Kincaide, You.
Speaker 4: Like I just stayed off him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I text you, I think Kinkaid is gonna
Speaker 7: have a monster year.
Speaker 6: And you talk about the twenty twenty two chiefs. What
Speaker 6: do they do?
Speaker 7: They said, Mahome, you lose Tyreek. But you know what,
Speaker 7: it's okay because you have Travis Kelcey. Well, guess who's
Speaker 7: gonna be Josh Allens, Travis Kelcey, it's Dalton Kinkaid.
Speaker 6: You also have Curtis.
Speaker 7: Samuel who had his and I realized that like people,
Speaker 7: you know, like hyping up Curtis Samuel whatever. He and
Speaker 7: the best year of his career in twenty twenty with
Speaker 7: the with the Panthers when Joe Brady, the Bill's offensive coordinator,
Speaker 7: was Carolina's offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4: Speak to me, didn't think of that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, mccollins is getting buzzed, and look, I like Mac.
Speaker 6: I don't think mac collins is all right changing wide
Speaker 6: receiver one. No, but he's a deep He's a deep threat.
Speaker 6: Like he's a cheap deep threat.
Speaker 7: He's like when the when the Chiefs God to get
Speaker 7: MBS right and bring him in NBS on this team
Speaker 7: as well.
Speaker 6: Chase Claypool getting hype.
Speaker 1: In So okay, you've got You've got too far. You've
Speaker 1: gone too far. This is like, you know, we learned
Speaker 1: this model Congress. Like you, you want to stick to
Speaker 1: your strongest points in your argument. You got to know
Speaker 1: when to stop, and when you get to mc collins
Speaker 1: and Claypool, that's.
Speaker 4: Where you got to stop.
Speaker 1: But Shakir Samuel, Kean Coleman, Kincaid, Knox Cook. That's six
Speaker 1: good pass catchers. You can't it again. It reminds me
Speaker 1: of Kansas City in twenty twenty two, except they have
Speaker 1: better pass catchers, but more that they have continuity on
Speaker 1: the offensive line. That Sean McDermott's been saying it all
Speaker 1: off season. This is the best offensive line that the
Speaker 1: Bills have ever had in their tenure, and they have
Speaker 1: great continuities. So I'm totally with you, and I know
Speaker 1: you love Kincaid, so that that's one two where I
Speaker 1: think he'll be the number one receiver in the league.
Speaker 1: And it's a great point on Joe Brady and Samuel.
Speaker 1: I'm just into it this year. I guess I've given
Speaker 1: away my MVP pick of the year. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: less of a star here, but still a star. Let's
Speaker 1: go big names first. I'll go Drake London. Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: start with that. Yeah, okay, I actually forgot Drake London
Speaker 1: didn't even break a thousand yards last year. I just
Speaker 1: think of him as a top ten to twelve receiver
Speaker 1: in the league. And I know if you're in fantasy
Speaker 1: you did not feel that last year when he ended
Speaker 1: up with a nine hundred and two and he is
Speaker 1: the ultimate tape over numbers guys. I wasn't even that
Speaker 1: high on him going into the draft. I think I
Speaker 1: had him fourth or fifth in that class. I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be proven wrong. When you watch him, there's
Speaker 1: just so many times that he is just absolutely bodying
Speaker 1: cornerbacks and he can run slants, he can run digs,
Speaker 1: and people say he doesn't get open, like maybe deep
Speaker 1: down the field he doesn't get open. Our friend Matt
Speaker 1: Harmon talks about that, but he gets open in the
Speaker 1: short areas. And where is Kirk Cousins good over the
Speaker 1: middle of the field. That's where he wins in the
Speaker 1: intermedia area. And you think about his offensive coordinator, Zach
Speaker 1: Robinson is there and they're gonna use Puka. I mean
Speaker 1: they're gonna use Drake London like Puka and he can
Speaker 1: make enough plays after the catch it. I know this
Speaker 1: isn't a perfect stat Will, but yards per route run,
Speaker 1: it's just it's a stat I have some issues with,
Speaker 1: but it's just an efficiency stat. When you look at
Speaker 1: the yards. Drake London has two of the top ten
Speaker 1: marks since twenty thirteen in that stat. In the last
Speaker 1: ten years he is in the Both of his seasons
Speaker 1: are in the top ten. And you look at the
Speaker 1: other people on the list, it's like Odell Beckham's best year,
Speaker 1: Devanta adams Is best year, and Drake Lonnon's two years
Speaker 1: in the NFL. So he's been extremely efficient and he
Speaker 1: just passes the eye test contested catches that offense, and
Speaker 1: there's no second receiver. I know Kyle Pitts is like
Speaker 1: a second receiver, but he's the only real wide receiver
Speaker 1: there I could.
Speaker 4: He seems to be.
Speaker 1: Underdrafted, underappreciated, whether we're talking fantasy or not.
Speaker 4: I'm just in on him having a total monster season.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 7: I was definitely trying to find the stat. I saw
Speaker 7: it yesterday on Twitter. I thought it was Hayden Winks.
Speaker 7: Maybe it was Matt Harmon. What you know, one of
Speaker 7: all these guys, maybe's Ian Harden's.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of guys doing great work in the
Speaker 7: fantasy space. You're right yard for out run. Not a
Speaker 7: perfect stat, but the one set I saw is that,
Speaker 7: and again I would attribute if I could. But on
Speaker 7: Drake London was that he leads the or he's like
Speaker 7: top ten since like twenty eleven in terms of commanding targets,
Speaker 7: and it's like basically, how many targets can you pull
Speaker 7: based on your routes run and based on your time
Speaker 7: on the field, which is insane because he was in
Speaker 7: an Arthur Smith offense where there are no targets to
Speaker 7: be had, like Johnny Smith got all the targets for
Speaker 7: the for the Falcons last year, and now you have
Speaker 7: Kirk Cousins and I, Greg, I don't know if this
Speaker 7: don't I don't know what to do about this Achilles saying.
Speaker 7: You know, when we first started this business, we didn't
Speaker 7: know what to do with a Now it's like a
Speaker 7: cl You're just stronger and better, sort of like Tommy
Speaker 7: john The Achilles thing worries me a little bit with
Speaker 7: the quarterback because you got to push off. But if
Speaker 7: Cousins and Rogers come back, Cousins, I mean Cousins is
Speaker 7: such a massive upgrade for this offense, and.
Speaker 1: They're gonna like Zach Robinson is a pass first. You know,
Speaker 1: the Rams all pass a ton. So even if Cousins
Speaker 1: and Pennox, if he plays, like even if Cousins isn't
Speaker 1: totally cousins.
Speaker 4: They're got just the volume is going to be through there.
Speaker 1: If you're going to go from one of the heaviest
Speaker 1: run offenses to the heaviest pass offense.
Speaker 4: I love it well and.
Speaker 7: It just too I threw out Darneld Mooney too, as like,
Speaker 7: you know, somebody who can stretch the field and open
Speaker 7: things up underneath a little bit for for London there
Speaker 7: as well, And I just think there's a lot of
Speaker 7: weapons there, but London's going to be the alpha in
Speaker 7: that offense.
Speaker 6: So I'm in on that. I like it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I love you throwing in some two lane love.
Speaker 1: There might be some coming up in a little bit. Uh,
Speaker 1: all right, give me, give me someone else. You're all
Speaker 1: in on your guy?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 7: This is this, I think this is I'm here for it.
Speaker 7: Speaking of speedsters, now nine percentile in terms of the
Speaker 7: forty he ran at the combine, an elite athlete, a
Speaker 7: guy who was unbelievable with Alabama before tearing his ACL
Speaker 7: late in the season. Now getting just the high train
Speaker 7: is starting to build as Dan Campbell AKAPC principle types up,
Speaker 7: Jamo Jamison Williams emerging as this new extra option on
Speaker 7: the Detroit Lions, a guy who is an absolute like
Speaker 7: lightning bolt down the field, but I think can command
Speaker 7: some more like sort of manageable targets closer to the
Speaker 7: line of scrimmage. But also it was just a perfect
Speaker 7: compliment to amround Saint Brown and San Malporta. The Lions,
Speaker 7: I believe, played fourteen of seventeen games indoors or like
Speaker 7: over a root this year. This offense is going to
Speaker 7: go just be electric, and I think a Jamo and
Speaker 7: Jamo becomes what they believe he can be. And again,
Speaker 7: Dan Campbell dousing pretty good about he's a hype guy,
Speaker 7: but he's pretty honest within this offense.
Speaker 6: Like Jared Golfson gonna be peace sleeper as well.
Speaker 1: That's going too far for me. Jamison Williams, I'm shocked
Speaker 1: he is getting drafted in like the tenth round of
Speaker 1: fantasy drafts. And this conversation isn't all about fantasy, but
Speaker 1: for the skill guys, it obviously applies. Teams tell you
Speaker 1: how they feel with their actions, that's the most important thing.
Speaker 1: Like I was surprised how in on the Ravens, I mean,
Speaker 1: how in on Rashad Bateman. The Ravens were this offseason,
Speaker 1: but then they gave him money and they didn't sign anyone.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, that proves it. Same thing with Detroit.
Speaker 1: They didn't need to give James and Williams money. He
Speaker 1: wasn't eligible, but they let Josh Reynolds go. They didn't
Speaker 1: bring anyone in, and you look at the way last
Speaker 1: season ended. They started to trust him his last two
Speaker 1: games of the season, which were the NFC Championship game
Speaker 1: in the Divisional round game, he ran more routes in
Speaker 1: those two games.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad I was.
Speaker 1: I was prepped for a different show to talk about
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams and I.
Speaker 4: Never used it. Always use it.
Speaker 1: That's a lesson for any people you know that are
Speaker 1: trying to get into the business, like prep will never hurt.
Speaker 4: Someday you'll use it, or anyone.
Speaker 6: Who's in school, like if we study, you're going to
Speaker 6: be better at the test.
Speaker 1: It will happen eventually that it will come in handy.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, he ran more routes in those two
Speaker 1: games than any other in the biggest spots ever. And
Speaker 1: you think about their biggest drive of the season when
Speaker 1: they needed to come back against the forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship.
Speaker 4: He caught a deep comeback. He also had a big
Speaker 4: time drop.
Speaker 1: He also caught an absolutely crazy touchdown that no one
Speaker 1: will ever remember to cover the spread probably or at least,
Speaker 1: you know, make them kick an onside kick. I don't
Speaker 1: remember what the spread was at that game. So he
Speaker 1: was out there being trusted in the biggest moment. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're telling me with their actions. And I mentioned that
Speaker 1: draft class, I had him ranked number one, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't the only one. Our friend Mitakimes had him ranked
Speaker 1: number one. Just we you know, he was coming off
Speaker 1: in ACL. We've learned he maybe wasn't as mature as
Speaker 1: he needed to be. But I think he's there now
Speaker 1: and they trust him, so I'm totally in. He's a
Speaker 1: post hype sleeper. That's That's another one.
Speaker 4: What did you call it? Dan Campbell by the way,
Speaker 4: the PC principal? What is this?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: South Park they replaced they brought it a new principal
Speaker 7: at one point, and he's the PC principal.
Speaker 6: He's like, you know, he's like very politically correct, but
Speaker 6: he is a spitting image for Dan Campbell.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Dan Campbell politically correct too, and generally I'm
Speaker 1: on board with almost everything he says and does. But
Speaker 1: he did have Hulk Hogan at practice doing like a
Speaker 1: promo the other day, not as PC there. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, let's do it. Let's do a non
Speaker 1: skill player. I'm gonna go Devin Witherspoon. Obviously, this is
Speaker 1: not out on a limb that he was a Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year finalist. I guess they call it now
Speaker 1: with with NFL Honors, which means he came in the
Speaker 1: top three of votes. But I do think when they're
Speaker 1: doing the cornerback rankings at this time a year ago,
Speaker 1: a year from now, that it very well could be
Speaker 1: Sas Gardner one, Devin Witherspoon two. I'll never forget that
Speaker 1: Peak Carroll compared him within weeks of having him on
Speaker 1: the roster to Troy Polamalu, just that this guy has
Speaker 1: instincts and smarts unlike anyone I've ever coached, which Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll saying that is just insane. So I think for
Speaker 1: a player like that, who's obviously physically talented, but he's
Speaker 1: also gonna win, just mentally, that first the second year
Speaker 1: leap is gonna be huge. He even improved so much
Speaker 1: during last season, So he can do man, he can
Speaker 1: do flex a zone, he can really do everything. I know,
Speaker 1: he's not Kyle Hamilton. He's a cornerback. But with Mike McDonald,
Speaker 1: I think he can use him in a bunch of
Speaker 1: different ways. He can travel with with wide receivers like
Speaker 1: he didn't a year ago.
Speaker 4: And I just love the Mike McDonald fit.
Speaker 1: I just I think he could be a guy where
Speaker 1: it's like week six and you're like writing one of
Speaker 1: those articles Will and it's like, is Devin Witherspoon a
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year candidate? Like I could just
Speaker 1: absolutely see him having that type of year, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna let you know about it too. He's gonna talk
Speaker 1: about it, which which is great in the in the
Speaker 1: proud tradition out there of Richard Sherman.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, we talked about the Lions.
Speaker 7: The Lions wanted to draft DEVI in Witherspoon and he
Speaker 7: made sense as like a like a Dan Campbell guy,
Speaker 7: Brad Holmes a cornerback tape watching savant self proclaimed and
Speaker 7: this guy like he's he's almost like two physical in
Speaker 7: the run game for his own good because he just
Speaker 7: pops people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little like can he survive this long term?
Speaker 1: But he should be fine for now?
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I but I know he'll be fine.
Speaker 7: And I agree with your take on Mike McDonald and
Speaker 7: how like a smart player who is versatile. Yeah, it's
Speaker 7: not the Kyle Hamilton thing, but like, if you're a
Speaker 7: really intelligent football player who can be versatile on the
Speaker 7: defensive side of the ball, Mike McDonald is going to
Speaker 7: utilize you in as many different ways as possible, and
Speaker 7: it's going to help you flourish. I mean, you saw
Speaker 7: that across the board with all these Ravens guys, whether
Speaker 7: it was the guys on the on the on the
Speaker 7: defensive line, you know, whether it's you know, Rokwan Smith
Speaker 7: and Patrick Queen developing, or whether it's Kyle Hamilton and
Speaker 7: those guys in the secondary. Obviously a lot of great
Speaker 7: players on that Ravens defense. But I think I'm excited.
Speaker 7: I think Seattle is actually flying under the radar. I've
Speaker 7: had dk metcalf on the on the longer list of
Speaker 7: guys that I put in there. Oh okay, well, I
Speaker 7: mean while we're on Seattle and not to switch back
Speaker 7: to the skill position guys. But like Ryan Grubb out
Speaker 7: there is really interesting. Greg, maybe I might be calling
Speaker 7: on Ryan Grubb And yeah, I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's like like I know, I've
Speaker 7: heard people say how much of it is Kailen debor
Speaker 7: who who's now at Alabama? Or how much of its
Speaker 7: grub And you know, you can wonder, well, they did
Speaker 7: have three, you know, wide receivers with Jill and Polk.
Speaker 7: You know, you have Jaylem McMillan. Of course in the
Speaker 7: Rebdonda you have all these three guys. But it's like
Speaker 7: man man that sort of sounds like.
Speaker 6: DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett and Jackson smithing jigin.
Speaker 7: To me, it feels like it feels like, you know,
Speaker 7: if you want to be all in on somebody too.
Speaker 7: I mean, I wouldn't dare take the quarterback in the
Speaker 7: Seattle Seahawks from you, but I feel like he can
Speaker 7: have a career year as well.
Speaker 4: You could. And I'm trying to be careful. This is
Speaker 4: a daily show, Will and I'm just trying not to you.
Speaker 6: Know what Smith five days a week.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm trying to not repeat takes and support. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm very excited about everything offensively, they're really just about
Speaker 1: that whole team, like their their week one game is
Speaker 1: Seattle Denver and that's that's one of the games. I
Speaker 1: think it's a late game that I'm most excited to
Speaker 1: walk just just because they're both just so I have
Speaker 1: no idea what I'm going to get out of the
Speaker 1: quarterback situation with Denver that I'm actually curious. And then
Speaker 1: that Seattle team, I think is just going to be
Speaker 1: so exciting, and.
Speaker 7: Can we get a like can I can we get
Speaker 7: like a camera on Russell Wilson for that game? I mean,
Speaker 7: just like it's supposed to be Russ's like second revenge
Speaker 7: game against Seattle.
Speaker 6: Seattle, Hell, he's not even on the team.
Speaker 1: Get this point, you know Tyler Lockett and DK we're
Speaker 1: at his wedding and the guy who fired him, well,
Speaker 1: I guess John Schneider's go there, but Pete Carroll's not there.
Speaker 1: I think he still has a lot of love and
Speaker 1: affection for Seattle in a way that he definitely doesn't
Speaker 1: for Denver.
Speaker 4: All Right, we we got it.
Speaker 1: Just like a couple like let's go quick pick your
Speaker 1: favorites or go fast on a couple of the board
Speaker 1: that you got I got, I got.
Speaker 7: Three running backs on you give you four, but but
Speaker 7: one of them I think was on your.
Speaker 4: Show would be all in for all of them. I
Speaker 4: mean that this might be stretching the bounds of it,
Speaker 4: but go for it.
Speaker 7: Javonte Williams, Rico Dabdell, and Tray Sermon, It's JK Dobbins
Speaker 7: season again. I refuse to believe that Chase Servon and
Speaker 7: JK Dobbins won't emerge from the depth chart mall that
Speaker 7: is holding them back and develop into I do think
Speaker 7: like those guys as late flyers, will would have been
Speaker 7: really good. Dobbin's running this number two. But then like Dowell,
Speaker 7: why can't Rico Dwell just be the new Tony Pollard
Speaker 7: who does all the work for the Cowboys offense. And
Speaker 7: then te Kelliott like stumbles in from the five yard
Speaker 7: line because Jerry Jones is demanding it from the luxury box.
Speaker 7: And then Javonte Williams just the way that Sean Payton's
Speaker 7: talked about him and this guy who's incredible at Carolina
Speaker 7: early draft pick. You know, Sean Payton said it takes two.
Speaker 7: He said it takes two four years to really repair
Speaker 7: that surgery. And if you think about, you know, the
Speaker 7: type of he's not Alvin Kamara. I mean nobody is
Speaker 7: in terms of that physical skill set. But he is
Speaker 7: a really good receiving back when he's allowed to, and
Speaker 7: he can be a little more physical than Kamara in
Speaker 7: that run game. And I think you're going to see
Speaker 7: him lean into that run game because you've got a
Speaker 7: rookie quarterback in bo Nicks who's just blatantly going to
Speaker 7: start seventeen games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's one player, Davonte Williams where the preseason I
Speaker 1: think matters a lot. There's really not that many that
Speaker 1: would be Fantasy football relevant or have a chance to start,
Speaker 1: but he is one that I want to see just
Speaker 1: how he looks because it's it's always that second year
Speaker 1: coming off the ACL. And Yeah, I thought Dobbins, if
Speaker 1: I wasn't just looking like a guy who was a
Speaker 1: homer after he was on the show on Tuesday, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he would have been my pick.
Speaker 4: That's why I asked him on because I've heard he's.
Speaker 1: A great guy and like, I'm really big on him,
Speaker 1: and he looked great at practice, So I think those
Speaker 1: are good picks. And Daubtell is definitely the guy to
Speaker 1: shout out in that backfield. I would go Tajy Spears
Speaker 1: as my last one where just his change of direction
Speaker 1: is crazy. He was fifth last year as a rookie
Speaker 1: in PFF's elusive rating. They were such bad run blockers.
Speaker 1: And now you bring in Brian Callahan and his dad.
Speaker 1: Of course, who's gonna set it up that running game
Speaker 1: in a much better way? Like he was close to the
Speaker 1: top of the league, I think top fifteen, like yards
Speaker 1: after contact, really good hands. You just watched the You
Speaker 1: watch like a highlight reel of Spears last year. It's
Speaker 1: like a snuff film. It's I don't think people realize how.
Speaker 4: Good he was.
Speaker 1: How many people and I know he's a two lane guy,
Speaker 1: and they blew it by taking Kendre Miller over Taj
Speaker 1: Spears in New Orleans. Miller hasn't been able to get
Speaker 1: on the field, but I'm all in on him. I'm
Speaker 1: all in on Drew Trankle. By the way, well, I'm
Speaker 1: here too, just as having like a big off ball
Speaker 1: linebacker season. If I want to get really nerdy. The
Speaker 1: Chiefs bounds out there knows how good he is.
Speaker 7: Pete Prisco, by the way all in on Will Levis
Speaker 7: because Levis could be the next Josh Allen.
Speaker 6: I trained Peachman on me heater with these quarterbacks. I
Speaker 6: don't know what he was.
Speaker 7: He was on a cold streak, he's been hot lately
Speaker 7: calling out these these young quarterbacks.
Speaker 6: So just worth minching.
Speaker 7: He's got a good article interviewing Levis talking to Callahan
Speaker 7: and about that offense and what they want to do
Speaker 7: and how those guys are playing.
Speaker 6: So I'm sneaking in on the Titans year.
Speaker 1: I do think the Titans are going to be much
Speaker 1: more box office and entertaining than they've been in a while.
Speaker 1: And Levis is the guy that I've fallen for over
Speaker 1: and over and usually been like half right, like they're oh,
Speaker 1: they're they're fun and they're kind of good. It's like
Speaker 1: Cutler or Tannahill like, but he's a much more exciting
Speaker 1: version of those guys. So I do think they're going
Speaker 1: to be fun. Good shout to uh, just to the article.
Speaker 1: I know you're writing articles. CBS NF got some teams
Speaker 1: in and out of the playoffs, A big preview team
Speaker 1: coming up in terms of best and worst case scenarios
Speaker 1: for every team, and yeah, one of the best to
Speaker 1: do it. Will appreciate you always. Fine, Greg, all right
Speaker 1: for Will Brinson. That's gonna be it for today. Really
Speaker 1: looking forward to Thursday. Show Bo Wolf's gonna be onto.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk some Eagles, we're gonna go over all
Speaker 1: the news around the league. Thank you to Nick Schuck
Speaker 1: two for taking care of the news for me at
Speaker 1: the top of the show.
Speaker 4: Until next time, We'll see tomorrow.