1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: All right, here we go, Pack twelve fans. This one's 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles, and only 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: the truth lives here. Pack twelve Apostles Apostles. The greatest 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: lesson that you can learn as a college football fan 5 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: is humility. It will humble you all. Uh. The Pack 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: twelve has a new champion, the utah Utes, and the 7 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: Pack twelve Awards are out. Did they get it right? 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: Did they get it wrong? And coaching searches go on 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: and on. I'm George Rice Stir and he's John Wilner, 10 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: while Mr Ralph Adamson is taking a break. And this 11 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: is the Pack twelve Apostles. The Pack twelve Apostles is 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: the podcast by Pack twelve fans, four Pack twelve fans, 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: where you get the absolute truth, no sugarcoat and no 14 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: b s. We can one hundred. You guys can always 15 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: shoot us an email I'm mad, I am m a 16 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: d at Unafraid show dot com, or shoot us a 17 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: text message three seven five four seven. All right, I 18 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: guess we'll start at the beginning. John, we have a 19 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: new Pack twelve champion, the utah Utes. They absolutely destroyed 20 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: my Oregon Ducks. Two games in a row, in back 21 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: to back weeks. I did not see a scenario where 22 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: the second game was gonna be as ugly as the 23 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: first game. John, I didn't either. I did not either. 24 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: It was very it was surprising, but it was you 25 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: could tell right away. I mean it was as soon 26 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: as Stevan Lloyd made that pick six and it was 27 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: fourteen nothing, you can kind of just feel cascade was coming. 28 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: And it was like the I mean, it was basically 29 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: they picked up where they left off. It's like the 30 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: first game had eight quarters. Yes, yeah, and it was 31 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: and yes so And I've blamed a lot of this 32 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: on like well as as far as first thing, Utah 33 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: deserves all the credit in the world, all the credit 34 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: in the world. I thought that Cameron Rising that I 35 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: don't think it's a great quarterback, but he played efficient 36 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: and when it came time to uh to to activate 37 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: his legs, he made plays even when Oregon got him 38 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: in third third downs. And I thought the Oregon defense 39 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: played good enough in the first half to win. They 40 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: got two turnovers, only they held them to fourteen points. 41 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: The other points where we're on the offense and on 42 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: that pick six, there was a man wide open on 43 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: the right side, wide open for a touchdown. So there 44 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: was some quarterback play issues for it for the Ducks 45 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: that helped contribute to the not not not to say 46 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: that Utah wouldn't have won, but in the fashion that 47 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: they would, no doubt. I mean that was the big 48 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: thing to me is that Oregon basically over the course 49 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: of two games didn't muster any offense, any consistent offense whatsoever. 50 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: And and it seemed like, you know, I mean clearly 51 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: for Oregon in general and for Anthony Brown in particular. 52 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: You know, that Ohio State game was the peak, and 53 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: it seemed like, certainly as we got into the second 54 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: half of the season, you know, other opposing defensive coordinators 55 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: kind of figured out Oregon and Utah had the personnel 56 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: to really execute the game plan. But they they He's 57 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: in particular, struggled and the whole offense struggled against the 58 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: used both games. Yeah, And I think that you made 59 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: a good point about because I'm a big believer as 60 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: styles make make fights, right, is that I think a 61 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: lot of teams knew how to that, putting Oregon in 62 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: a position where Anthony Brown had to beat them and 63 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: not not the running game was the answer. But only 64 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: Utah could actually execute that game plan. Yeah, you know, 65 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking back. I mean cal did a pretty 66 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: good job of bollow him up. Um that was that 67 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: was fairly early in the season. Uh, but yeah, that 68 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: it was not Uh you know, it wasn't a big 69 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: secret what you wanted to do to them. Uh. And 70 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: and yet just personnel wise, very few teams were able 71 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: to do it. And you try just I mean, they 72 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: owned the line of scrimmage for eight quarters. Just just 73 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: I thought, just really owned it, which you certainly don't 74 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: expect to see against Oregon. And it's just is that 75 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: much more stunning when you think about that Oregan Ohio 76 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: State game and how Oregan had the line of scrimmage. Yeah, 77 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: it was, and you can't blame it on and like 78 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 1: Oregon had a ton of injuries, but like you can't 79 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: blame it on that because they made it through the 80 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: rest of the season. It was but but but the 81 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: credit goes to Utah, So let's focus on them for 82 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: a minute. You had Kyle Whittingham make it to his 83 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: first rolls ball. I mean, you talk about staying the 84 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: course because I know that he's had opportunities to leave Utah. 85 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: He wanted to build from them coming over into the 86 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:15,799 Speaker 1: conference to finally being conference champions without you know, top 87 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: ten recruiting classes and and all of that. Is that 88 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: more of a testament to him and the coaching staff 89 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: and what they do, or do you think that it's 90 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: also at the same time like a yeah, you did it, 91 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: but like we need to get recruiting better. That way 92 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: you can be better consistently because you're such a good coach. Yeah, 93 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit more of the of 94 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: the first of the former Uh, you know, it took him. 95 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: They joined the league. Inn was our first season and 96 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: they needed you know, and that was before the transfer portal, 97 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: so restocking was certainly, you know, much more dependent upon 98 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: recruiting high school players, and they needed three or four 99 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: recruiting cycles before they could build up. I think the 100 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: depth they needed and the skill position talent they needed 101 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: to compete on a weekly basis, right. I Mean, it's 102 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: one thing to be the team once, but to to 103 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, win a division going through nine weeks a 104 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: league play is a whole different deal. And I think 105 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: once you got to that, you saw things turn and 106 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: they had the personnel, uh to to compete for the 107 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: division titles and what they wanted inen they won the South, 108 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: they won it in twenty nineteen, and now they've won 109 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: the conference in so uh, you know they're on course, 110 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: and it's certainly a very They've got a recruiting model 111 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: that works for them, right, it fits with their recruiting pool, uh, 112 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: and it fits with their coaching style. Yeah so is so. 113 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: So I'm wonder and I think we're gonna see in 114 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: this Ohio State game a little bit right, like how 115 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: they would comport themselves nationally because we know that Oregon 116 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: can go out and beat Ohio State in in in 117 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: Ohio State. Now people believe that that's possible. Right now, 118 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: people still have those questions about Utah because Utah doesn't 119 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: have the name brand Marquis. You know Marquee. I'm saying 120 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: air quote players in terms of where they ranked and 121 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: recruiting cycles. But you have a tow a guy with 122 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: one offer like Devin Lloyd who's probably gonna be a 123 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: top ten pick in in the NFL draft. So do 124 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: you think that they need to either change their recruiting 125 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: model or something, because I would imagine if you give 126 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: them five star guys that you're gonna get even better 127 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: results that I mean, so so, And then I mean, 128 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: what what's the level of Utah? Is it trying to 129 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: win pack twelve championships or is it trying to win? 130 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: Or do they or can they win national a national 131 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: championship with this model? I'm not sure that they can. 132 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: But I also don't know that they could execute a 133 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: different recruiting model, right, I mean, can they start pulling in, 134 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, five star skill position players from southern California 135 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: and Texas and Florida. That's to me, that's tough, right. 136 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: They're built on you know, uh, the law of the 137 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: Polynesian community in Utah, in Southern California Pacific Islands is 138 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: kind of the pipeline for them, uh, you know, and 139 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: there are great play on both lines of scrimmage and 140 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: they're they're basically built on that and it works for them. 141 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: I just don't know how successful they would be getting 142 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: five star kids from from those hotbeds to to go 143 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: play at Utah when they can play it, you know, 144 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: USC or Oregon or Alabama or Clemson. I just I'm 145 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: not sure about the the feasibility of the execution. Yeah. See, 146 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: and I think that Utah fans are obviously astatic with 147 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: the way the season win, right, but it's it's like 148 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: once you once you bite the forbidden apple. Now next 149 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: year it's wait, let's go to Rose Bowl again. And 150 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: then after you get a couple of tastes of some 151 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: New Year's six bowls, some some rolls bowls on a 152 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: consistent basis. Now, now your fan base grows discontent with 153 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: that because now they're like, we want a national championship. 154 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: So so I so I know that Utah fans are 155 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: happy right now, but I'm just kind of projecting out 156 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: what do you think is gonna be, you know, two 157 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: years from now, three years from now, what does this 158 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: Is this fan base happy with a season like this? 159 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: My guess is that they will be. I mean, certainly 160 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a small percentage of folks that that 161 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: starting next year are going to be playoff or bust. 162 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: But I think that for the most part, you know, 163 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: most of their fans will be reasonable about the expectations. 164 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, they're two other factors to consider. 165 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: One is how long is Kyle would he aim going 166 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: to keep coaching? And two is what's going on with 167 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: USC right because you know, if USC turns into a 168 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: top five, top ten program every year, the dynamics and 169 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: the division change. Utah has there's been a there's been 170 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: a void at the top, right the l A schools 171 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: have struggled for six eight years. Uh, and you know 172 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: Utah filled that void. A s you couldn't do it. 173 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: Utah did it. And we'll see if you know what 174 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: the window of opportunity is like, because if it becomes 175 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: another you know, Pete Carroll type deal at SC with 176 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, I think that'll that'll temper everybody's expectations for 177 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: the other five schools. That makes sense. Um, Now, do 178 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: you believe that Kyle Whittingham will retire? I think there's 179 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: a chance. I think if they go beat Ohio State 180 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: that that that he may say, look, look, man, I 181 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: did what I came here to do. I finished the job. 182 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: Now it's time for somebody else to do this. Yeah. 183 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: I think that there's just even if they don't win 184 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: beat Ohio State. I mean, I think just getting to 185 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl could and I don't know if it's 186 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: better than fifty fifty, but I do think that there's 187 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: a chance he's gonna retire. Right, he's he's sixty two, 188 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: I think, and you know, he's got tons of grandkids 189 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City. He's been there, he's a winning 190 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: his coach at school history, he's gotten into the Rose Bowl. 191 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: And you know, the toll of the deaths of the 192 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: two players I think has been immense on him emotionally. 193 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: So I would not be surprised at all if if 194 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: he hangs it up after this season. Yeah, And speaking 195 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: of that, like I'm a person, I believe that the 196 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: best teams always win, right, But I also believe that 197 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: sometimes in seasons, that there are seasons and teams of destiny, right. 198 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: And I think that Utah, with the deaths of the 199 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: two players in a year, that that really rallied the 200 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: troops and that that that there was something magical about 201 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: this particular season, almost like when um, when when Oregon 202 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: played at Washington State, I think it was two years 203 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: ago and they finally got game day and then and 204 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: because because their their flag is always there, everything there there, 205 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: and nobody ever thinks they're going to pullman, then they 206 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: go to Pullman. It just so happened to be Oregon. 207 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: It could have been anybody, could have been Ohio, State 208 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: could have been Alabama, it didn't matter. They were gonna 209 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: lose that day. Same way when when game day when 210 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: they did that special on the kid that was dying 211 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: from Purdue and Ohio State went over there and went 212 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: to go play. Do you remember that, Yeah, and they 213 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: knocked the doors off of Ohio State and and Perdue, 214 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: what didn't even have a winning record that season, I 215 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: don't think. And then when the Lakers win the championship 216 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: the same year that Kobe died. I think that there 217 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: are certain factors in life that sometimes helped contribute to 218 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: a team's or individuals success. I know it's like getting 219 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: outside the box, but that's just what I believe. No, 220 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: I think there's something to it. I certainly Utah was 221 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: a team that was incredibly well bonded, There's no doubt 222 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: about that. And I think that the we saw something 223 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: similar with Washington State. You know, the whole ordeal with 224 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: Nick Rolovich, I think helped bond that that team. You know, 225 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't win a division, but certainly you 226 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: could tell that that they were, uh, you know, everybody 227 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: was on the same page there, and uh, their their 228 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: level of play was at a you know, you know 229 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: very inspired. Yep, all right, now did the thing I 230 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: mentioned first in the beginning, college football we'll humble you, 231 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: uh on, it will humble you just and it doesn't 232 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: matter who you are, whether you are Alabama, Clemson, ore Agon, USC, Washington, you, 233 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: whoever you are, college football will humble you. And and 234 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: I was humbled this this last in the last three weeks, 235 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: just getting knocked around by Utah twice and then Mario 236 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: Cristo ball bailing to my my Miami. While at the 237 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: same time all season, I'm kind of secretly laughing at 238 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: the dumpster fire going on at Washington, the dumpster fire 239 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: going on at USC and then at Arizona State, and 240 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: you're like, listen, we're in a great spot. Foul hey, listen, 241 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: everything's fine. And then you come and get your absolute 242 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: teeth kicked in and and then you're like, Okay, this 243 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: is college football. It happened to Clemson this year. Clemson 244 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: got got humbled. Um. Alab Bama's level of humbling doesn't 245 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: doesn't always look like everybody else's. But because because they 246 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: got humbled against Texas A and M. But now they're 247 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: back to number one team in the country. So but 248 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: but two years ago they took some or is it 249 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: last year when they didn't make the playoffs, whichever the 250 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: year they didn't make the playoffs, they took some humble pie. 251 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: But it humbles us us all, John, it humbles us all. 252 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: And I think that that's the thing that makes college 253 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: football so fantastic, because one minute you feel like you're 254 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: so alive, and then the next minute you feel like, 255 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: oh wait, I want to die. Yeah. Well, I mean 256 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: it's December eight. On September which was a Monday, Oregon 257 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: is two days removed from that breakthrough winning Ohio State, 258 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: and it's got its playoff destiny its own hands. And 259 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: USC is firing Clay Helton after a terrible loss and 260 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: is apparently aimless. And now USC has got Lincoln Riley. 261 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: He's pulled in like four or five star recruits in 262 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: the first week, and Oregon is without a coach uh 263 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: a week before signing early signing Day. That was a 264 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: quick turn. And you know, certainly the dynamics within the 265 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: conference and within the North Division are are changing pretty 266 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: quickly here with the coaching, you know, the coaching carousel 267 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: and recruiting coming up. So it'll be really interesting to 268 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: see what organ does. They got to get it right, 269 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: I think, because otherwise they're gonna lose ground in the division, 270 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: and they're they're almost certainly gonna lose ground of the 271 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: conference here, you know, unless Lincoln Riley is somehow big 272 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: bust uh. You know that that is a program that's 273 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: gonna be one to reckon with every year. Now, Yes, 274 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: since since Oregan is the most recent, because we still 275 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: have to talk to you about the other coaching hires, 276 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: but since Oregon is the most recent, you just brought 277 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: it up. We'll, we'll, we'll deal with that. Um Mario 278 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: Christobal leaves to go to UM Miami, and I talked 279 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: to him pretty frequently, and I talked to him on 280 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: Sunday night for about an hour from like eleven and midnight, 281 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: and I didn't know that it was already done. I 282 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: mean like like, I mean, he did inform the team, 283 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: he did inform the school that that morning that that 284 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: he was out, but the decision was pretty much made. 285 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: But I do believe that it was a very very 286 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: tough decision. I think that if he were at USC, 287 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: if he were at Oklahoma, he were at anywhere except 288 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: for probably Alabama, and maybe even Alabama that he would 289 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: have left to take that job because because it matters, 290 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: like Miami matters to him that much. And I and 291 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: I played for a cane who played with him on 292 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: those teams. His name is Alfredo Robberts. He was my 293 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: first tight end coach when I was in Jacksonville. And 294 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: it is something about those eighties Keynes team people like 295 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: like that. They were just like it was such a grind. 296 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: They didn't have anything nice out there, nothing, They just 297 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: grind it together. It was tough, it was hard, and 298 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: they and they won. And that is the sense of 299 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: pride and thestalgia to to them. That can't be You 300 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: know that you can't put an amount of money on, 301 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: you can't put a facility on, you can't put a 302 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: situation on. And so I think that he would have 303 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: left anywhere to go to my Miami because it was 304 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: not about the money. You know, when it's your alma 305 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: mater and it's your hometown all wrapped up in one, 306 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: that's pretty compelling. I mean, I thought I thought all 307 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: along there was a good chance he was gonna go. 308 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: As soon as it became clear Miami was thinking about 309 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: making a change. To me, it seemed like, uh, you know, 310 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: there was a lot of talk, Oh, why would he 311 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: go to Miami, blah blah blah. I mean you can't 312 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, that's an indefinable thing, that that the lure 313 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: of an alma mater and it chance to rebuild. The money. Yeah, 314 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: well it's like like the money not just for him, 315 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: but for the infrastructure. Yeah right, they think it, right, Yeah, 316 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: And it seems to me like this. You know, I 317 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: don't know exactly when he made it clear to Miami 318 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: he was gonna he was real interested, but I think 319 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: this was going on for many, many weeks behind the scenes, 320 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: like two or three weeks at least. Yeah, And so, 321 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, not a not a surprise to me at all. 322 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: It's your alma mater, So for some guys may not matter. 323 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: For him, it mattered a lot. And the chance to 324 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: rebuild it to the level that existed when he was 325 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: playing there, I think was a super obviously super compelling. Plus, 326 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, he's got his mom there and and apparently 327 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: she's not well, so a lot a lot going on 328 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: in his head, I'm sure of the last couple of weeks. Yeah, 329 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: So to me, this wasn't a Willie Taggart situation. This 330 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: was this was a good dude who who just had 331 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: a tough choice, and he would have loved to stay. 332 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: And I think that that's the only job that he 333 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: would have left for because because I know for sure 334 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: that he turned down uh some other quote unquote big 335 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: name jobs over the last couple of couple of years 336 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: that actually even tried to pay him more. Nobody was 337 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: making it Oregon. Um, Now, who does Oregon go get? 338 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: Because it's very late in the day, you're a week 339 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: from signing day, obviously based upon what they offered Cristal 340 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: Ball and what I know, this is the first time 341 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: Oregon is gonna be willing to break out the checkbook, 342 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: like for real, for real, like a like writer Lincoln 343 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: Riley size check for the for the right guy. So 344 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: who do you think that they get? Because I know 345 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: for sure they are trying to be Mr. Still your girl, 346 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: like everybody better watch watch out. I can't even do 347 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: I know some of the names that have been called 348 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: by Phil Knight and all this stuff, and and you 349 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: would be shocked, you would be like he called him 350 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: And yep, they are trying to steal anybody they can. Yeah, well, 351 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: I mean with when you got Phil Knight working for you, 352 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: anything is possible. I don't know, you know, who's gonna 353 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: want the job and also who's appropriate. I've heard some 354 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: names that film Knight's interested in, and I just I 355 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: don't know if that those are gonna work. But well, 356 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: you know, we'll see. There's certainly there's a danger though 357 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: to hire somebody who, you know, in two or three 358 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: years leaves again, right, I mean, I think that there's 359 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: a philosophical decision that they need to make, which is, 360 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: do they want to try to hire a coach that 361 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: they're pretty sure is going to stay and build and 362 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: have continuity, you know, maybe not Kyle Winningham, but but 363 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: certainly closer to Mike Ballotti, right, six, eight, ten years, 364 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: or they want to just you know, get the biggest 365 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: name they can find, even if there's a flight risk 366 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: in in two or three seasons. See, I look at 367 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: that like it's kind of the way of the world 368 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: in college football now a little bit because I was 369 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: asked about this, you know, whether I would want, you know, 370 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: let's say a guy like Justin Wilcox, who has had 371 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: a tough situation at Cal but also there are some 372 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: questions his offenses have been awful in general, and is 373 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: he a guy who can I mean he would stay 374 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: for a long time. Likely? Um, But or do you 375 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: go after a big, big name because if you look 376 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: at Oregon's roster right now, they probably have the best 377 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: roster right now in the back twelve in terms of 378 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: accumulation of talent. And and so if you look at 379 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: the last two coaches that have left, they actually left 380 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: the program roster wise better than they found it. So 381 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: this is so this is a case of this isn't 382 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: like USC where they needed some level all of a 383 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: rebuild or Washington where they needed some level of a rebuild. 384 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: This is a almost this is close to already made 385 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: roster as you can get. So I think that that, 386 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: for me lends itself to being willing to hire a 387 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: guy who may leave after four after four seasons, because 388 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: your roster so good that if he can continue to 389 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: recruit well, you may actually sneak into a national championship 390 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: in that window because you already qualify for that um 391 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,239 Speaker 1: uh for that five for the oh guys, what what 392 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: is it called the um when you're oh, the the 393 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: blue chip ranking when you have overt of your roster 394 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: that's blue Chips. So and those are the teams that like, 395 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: those are the only teams that have won national championships. Uh, 396 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: there's there were sixteen of them this year and the 397 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: only there's only one team that's in the playoff that 398 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: wasn't in that uh that uh, that sixteen and that Cincinnati. 399 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,239 Speaker 1: So do they really have a chance to win? We 400 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: shall we shall see. But the but the other three 401 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: teams are you have Alabama Georgia and Uma Georgia and yeah, 402 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: in Michigan, they're all in there. So that's why for 403 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: me hiring a guy who may bounce in three or 404 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: four or four years isn't really that big of a 405 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: deal because the last coaches left the roster in a 406 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: better position than this than it was in before they 407 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: got there. Yeah, I I certainly can can see that. 408 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: You know that line of thinking. Uh, I don't know what. 409 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: It depends on who they get, right, It depends on 410 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: who who they can get. And I don't know, you know, 411 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: maybe maybe Phil Knight pulls pulls a stunner for ten 412 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: million a year. But you know, there have been some 413 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: good jobs that have come open. Guys like David Randa 414 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: and Matt Campbell have have not left their spots for 415 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: some pretty pretty nice job opportunities. So it'll be real 416 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: interesting to see which direction they go. What do you 417 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: think about them? You're hiring Chip Kelly. I like Chip 418 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: right a lot personally. I think he's an innovative offensive mind. 419 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: All of these things. Chip doesn't want to recruit on 420 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: the level that I think that you have to recruit 421 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: to actually win a national championship. Obviously, his his roster 422 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: got Mark Healthridge to the national championship the next year, 423 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: but you didn't win it. Like there's a difference between 424 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: getting there, Like it was good enough to whoop whoop 425 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: Florida State, and then you get to the Ohio State 426 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: and Ohio State pushed Oregon around, right, So I look 427 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: at that and I say, all right, now, what now? 428 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: What do like? If you bring in Chip, I'm like, 429 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: you cannot bring jerryaz and Are with you as defensive coordinator. 430 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: He can come as your d line coach if you 431 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: wanted to, but he cannot come as a defensive coordinator. 432 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: And you must bring in and you must bring Dante 433 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: Williams back, because I've heard that he's willing to come back. 434 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: Like Dante Williams Keith Heyward like or B Mack the 435 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: wide the wide receiver coach like you have to. If 436 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 1: Chip comes back, he must be surrounded by people who 437 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: will do the dirty work in the recruiting that I 438 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: would be fine with. Yeah, I think that that's that's 439 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: the big issue that I mean U c l as 440 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: recruiting model is. You know, it's built heavily on transfers 441 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: right now, and you know we'll see cannot work at 442 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: work and if they went that way, I just don't 443 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, to me, it feels like recreating twenty nine. 444 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: I mean the landscape is different. Chip is different, I mean, 445 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: every everything is different. So I don't know, it'll be 446 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: really interesting to see and USC is different, Clay, you 447 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: know that was the stretch where the sanctions were Carol 448 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: had left, the sanctions were hitting them, and uh there 449 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: was there was some openings for Stanford and and Oregon. 450 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: I just don't know, I mean, you USC to me 451 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: is a big part of this whole equation for everybody. Right, 452 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: if he recruits like Pete Carroll recruited, everything's different. Yes, 453 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: it is going to be tough to win. Um now, Okay, 454 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: now onto that USC higher Obviously it is a home run. 455 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: Higher they pulled the coup, pulling Lincoln Riley from Oklahoma 456 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: because he didn't want to go to the SEC. He 457 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: told the administration for him toothing nail, and they did 458 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: it anyway, and he was like, all right, cool him out? 459 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: So right? How soon? I mean because obviously USC they 460 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: needed some help, and you know, in a bunch of 461 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: positions on on on the roster. But what does I 462 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: guess the future of us, the immediate future of U 463 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: see look like now? I mean, I think the transfer 464 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: portal is a big deal, right, because you can rebuild 465 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: a lot quicker. You know, you can overhaul your roster 466 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: half your roster and to two years really and and 467 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: so a rebuilding job that would have taken three or 468 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: four is now two or three. To me, what's reasonable 469 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: for SC is you know, getting back to UH being 470 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: in a bowl game next year and then in there, 471 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, going for the conference title and maybe a playoff. 472 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: Berth and by they are a preseason playoff favorite. You know, 473 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: I think he he should have that whole thing overhauled, 474 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: completely overhauled in three years. Yeah, yep, I would agree 475 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: with that. UM And he was in a position where 476 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: his roster, and all it is was was they could 477 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: get to the playoffs, but they they couldn't win playoff games. 478 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: So do you think that he will have that same 479 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: trouble at USC if they're able to, you know, take 480 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: over the conference? Well, first, first thing, do you think 481 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: they will be able to take over the conference? And 482 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: then second thing is can he assemble a roster that 483 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: can win playoff games? Or is it just his system 484 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: that can't do it? I mean, I don't. I don't 485 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be like Pete Carroll right seven what 486 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: was its seven conference titles in a row? But I 487 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: certainly think that it's reasonable to expect s C to 488 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: be winning every other year, you know. Uh As for 489 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: the playoffs, I mean, the big thing, right was the 490 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: lines of scrimmage play. I don't think Oklahoma couldn't stand 491 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: up to those SEC teams in the line scrimmage, right 492 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: or Clemson and Ohio State. So, uh can he get 493 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: those linemen at SC? Probably? I mean, I think I 494 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: think you probably can. And I think, to be honest, 495 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: recruiting SC might be a little easier than to Norman Oklahoma, 496 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: even though you've got that Texas pipeline so I think 497 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: it's very possible. But that's gonna be the big challenge 498 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: for him. Right, we know their lines of scripments are 499 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: not have not been very good. They've gotten soft, right, 500 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: the air raid has not treated them well, He's not 501 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: going to play a pure air raid. And how well 502 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: do they do on the lines, right, I mean if 503 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: he's got Mike Patterson and Sean Cody, yeah, I think 504 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: they can win a playoff game, right yeah, yeah, no, no, 505 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: of course that's that's a big deal. Um. And now 506 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: onto the Washington higher, Kaitlin the Boor. This this is 507 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: very very fascinating to me because I think Washington got 508 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: a really good coach, right, really upcoach, especially on the 509 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: offensive end. So now Washington has kind of hung their 510 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: hat on their defense. So now they I think that 511 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,719 Speaker 1: the Boor is going to have to figure out the 512 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: the defensive end because that that's where wash Ington has 513 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: hung their hat on. And now also it wasn't a 514 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: splashy enough higher to immediately have a big impact on recruiting. 515 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: So now I think that this is a great higher 516 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: for them, but I think the results are gonna be 517 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: more shown two, three or four years from now than 518 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: just I mean, obviously, I think they're gonna win more 519 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: games next year than than they did this year. I 520 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: think they're gonna be a bold, bold team. But I 521 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: don't think that this moves the needle immediately the same 522 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: way that a Lincoln Riley does at USC. You know, 523 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: I I would agree, and his staff hires are going 524 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: to be super important defensive coordinator, you know, who's he 525 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: gonna get to recruit. Uh, there's no doubt. But but 526 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: I do think that on a you know, after they 527 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: got that higher, I got to two different texts, unsolicited 528 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: from people who really know football, who said that that 529 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: they made a very good higher and that dollar for dollar, 530 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: it might be a better higher than SC made. Uh. 531 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's gonna take them, you know, it's it's 532 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: gonna take them time. Right. SC is the you know, 533 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: the higher up the blue blood chain, you get, the 534 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: quicker the turnarounds. Right, SC in Alabama can can turn 535 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: themselves around Ohio State faster than anybody Washington. You know, 536 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: it will take a few years. I do think there 537 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: will be an immediate bounce, right. I mean, they were 538 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: artificially bad, Like you said, they were four and eight, 539 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: that they shouldn't have been four in it, right, If 540 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: that's a decently coached team, they are what seven and five, 541 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: six and six, So so getting up to eight and four, 542 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: nine and three. Uh, you know, I think that that's 543 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: very doable. And you know the next two seasons, Now, 544 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: how long will take him to get them back to 545 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, maybe winning the conference title. You know, that 546 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: could be a little bit longer, but but I think 547 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: that there'll be a quick bounce. Yeah, that's exactly what 548 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: what I think. And but but the bad part about 549 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: it is as soon as he gets it to that 550 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: level in you know, three four or five years to 551 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: that you know, potential tin win and winning the conference, 552 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: maybe a playoff birth then people are gonna be trying 553 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: to steal them. So that's gonna be the tough part 554 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: for them in that in that situation. Absolutely, that's the 555 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: issue for every team in the conference that hires somebody 556 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: whose roots are in the Midwest or the Southeast. I mean, 557 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: it is a constant, and there's there's something to be 558 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: said for hiring somebody who has got personal connections to 559 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: the school or the West coast yep. And it but 560 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: it's funny is that, like USC has tried to do 561 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: that right, hire people who knew the fight zone, and 562 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: that didn't work out so well for them. So I 563 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: think you're always in a tough situation, a tough quandary 564 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: when you're like, Okay, do we hire somebody who knows 565 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: the fight zone or do we try to get the 566 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: best coach available? Yeah, and just hope that he can 567 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: become one one of us. Because I was talking to 568 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: Ralpha about this the other day and he made a 569 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: great point. He said, there's a difference he was He 570 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: was like, if you take Chrick Cristo Ball for example, 571 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: christ the Ball grew to love Oregon like that that 572 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: it became part of him. But he wasn't a duck. 573 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: He's he's a hurricane in his heart and so and 574 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: so maybe he wouldn't have left for anywhere else because 575 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: the Ducks grew on his art so much. But it 576 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: wasn't it couldn't take away, Like it wasn't enough to 577 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: overpower the hurricane part of him. That the majority of time, 578 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: these coaches they are employees of the university. They're not 579 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: they're not Trojans, they're not Muskies, they're not you know, uh, 580 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: whatever did That's not in their core. It's they are 581 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: employees of the university that have grown to really, you know, 582 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 1: love and care about that place. But it's not in there. 583 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: It is not in their bones, no doubt about that, 584 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: you know. But that's rare, right, I mean, yeah, there's not. 585 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: You know. The Justin Wilcox Higher is a little bit 586 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: different than the Chip Kelly Higher for Oregon, which is 587 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: a little bit different than the Brian Harson Higher, which 588 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: is a little different than the Dave Randa Higher. There's 589 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: like it's like different levels of of emotional attachment to 590 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: the school or the region. And it certainly matters who 591 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: you hire them when you hire them in their career trajectory, right. 592 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: I mean, if if you're USC Hyron Lane Kiffin in 593 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: one would be a lot different than hiring Lane Kiffin, Right, 594 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: He's a different coach, He's a different guy. Uh. And 595 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: so they, you know, Oregon, like Washington, Oregon had to 596 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: just kind of assess the supply side and the risk 597 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: factors and you you make the best call you can. 598 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: Yep um And oh, it's very very interesting, is that. Uh. 599 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: And one of the names that was mentioned for some 600 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: of these jobs was Brian Harson right now. And Brian 601 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: Harson he got a he got a stay of execution today, 602 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 1: buddy uh Aubren announced, well, they announced it yesterday that 603 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: they were halting their vaccine mandate for employees. So the 604 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: it came after a federal judge issued in order this 605 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: morning prohibiting the federal government from enforcing vaccine mandates for 606 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: federal contractors. So so he's gotten a stay of execution. 607 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: Don't don't know for how long. But people were mentioning 608 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: him and I was like, if he can't, if he 609 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: can't survive at Alabama with the vaccine stuff, no Pack 610 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: twelve team is gonna hire him. Yeah, I'm I would 611 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: be willing to bet that Brian Harson is vaccinated, um 612 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: at least has gotten vaccinated since he made those statements. 613 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: That would be my guess. He wanted the Washington job, 614 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: and he had to know that the only way it 615 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: was going to get that job was to get the vaccine. 616 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: And I think he wants the organ job bad, right, 617 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: He's a he's an Idaho guy. He waited and waited 618 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: and waited for Washington and Oregon to open up. They 619 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: never opened. So he goes to Auburn and then both 620 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: of them are have vacancies. I'm going to guess that 621 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 1: he has vaccinated. I don't know that for sure, but 622 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: that is to me the most plausible situation here. I 623 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: one hundred that I considered that as well, because I 624 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: do know that there have been some coaches that were, 625 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, taking that stance and then they just went 626 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: and secretly did it because they're like, listen, this a 627 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: like I'm a football coach. I don't want to do this, 628 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: but I damn sure I don't want to lose my 629 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: job either, Like it took Brian Hartson a long time 630 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: to get to Auburn, even though he wanted Washington. It 631 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: took him a long time to get there, and he's like, 632 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give up my career for that, you know. 633 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: I mean, and I think that may be part of 634 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: and and there's that same question about Dave Randa too, 635 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,879 Speaker 1: is he or is he not, which which could then 636 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: impact you know, whether he stayed at Baylor or not 637 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: stayed at Baylor or that. There's a lot of factors 638 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: that have gone into these things, and especially with COVID, 639 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: we don't know where things are going. You know, people 640 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: still have mandates in place. Some people don't. Will there 641 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: be another lockdown? We got variants all of this stuff, 642 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: and I don't think the universities are gonna be willing 643 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: to take the risk going forward of having a situation 644 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: like what what happened in Washington State with Rolovich or 645 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 1: what could part actually have happened with Brian Harrison at Auburn. 646 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: I don't think they're willing to risk that. No, especially 647 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: West Coast universities. There's no no doubt about that. Totally agree. Um, 648 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: all right, now we have the Pack twelve Awards came 649 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: out yesterday and uh you've uh this is voted on 650 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: by the coaches. You had the Coach of the Year 651 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham. Um, do you think they got it right? Oh? 652 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: I think for sure? What the Coach of the year, 653 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: they got it right? Uh. To me, the only other 654 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: option would have been Jonathan Smith. And it's hard to 655 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: argue with with both the results for winning him and 656 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 1: the journey right dealing with I mean, since since the 657 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 1: end of last season, right they had they you know 658 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 1: they lost two players, so um, one on Christmas Day 659 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: and then and then one in late September. So I 660 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: don't and and he's He's very well liked across the 661 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: conference and very well respected by the other coaches, and 662 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: certainly some of this is political. Uh so to me, 663 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 1: I mean, it's possible he got all every vote, all 664 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: eleven votes. Yeah, I totally agree with that, and that 665 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: that the results mattered. Had they lost to Oregon twice, 666 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,240 Speaker 1: I think that it probably would have been more split 667 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: between him and Jonathan Smith. Yeah. Yeah, um that that 668 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: the results do matter. But but before we get into 669 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: the rest of the awards, this is also uh, complain 670 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: about the awards and your team is biased and all 671 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: of this stuff. And and I've said it prior that 672 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,280 Speaker 1: Oregon has gotten shafted on some of the awards because 673 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: people did not like Kristo Baal, the the the other 674 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 1: coaches for recruiting stuff and all of this. But this 675 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: year Arizona State people had grapes like do you do 676 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: you think that this was more fair or more balanced 677 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: of a of like a voting, like how how would 678 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: you assess it? Overall? I thought they did. Overall, they 679 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: did a pretty good job, better than there were you know, 680 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: I went down down the list and there were fewer 681 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: times where I kind of did a double take than usual, right, 682 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: And I think part of that could be because, I 683 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: mean last year was almost impossible, right. I mean there 684 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: were some teams were playing four games, some teams were 685 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: playing seven games. You kind of have to think back 686 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: to and there were times when I would think that 687 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: what are they watching, what are they looking at? Or 688 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: are they just completely politically driven on their votes? This year, 689 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: I thought, on the whole they did. They did very well. Um, 690 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: the one the one of the things that jumped out, uh, 691 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: you know, I thought Jade de Laura deserved first or 692 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: second team. I was a little surprised at Cam Rising 693 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,919 Speaker 1: was named first team back. Yes, I did not think 694 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: that he deserved to be on first team. I mean, 695 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: like his team won, and but there weren't games really 696 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: that that he was the reason why they won, like 697 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,320 Speaker 1: it was the running game. But he made a few 698 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: plays here and there. But I thought, overall the whole season, 699 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: I thought that Jaden Dolora was the best quarterback in 700 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: the back twelve, and I thought that d t R 701 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 1: was the second best. Yeah, I mean I actually picked 702 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: t TR first team in Dolora second. But the other 703 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: thing to consider is how the voting works and if 704 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: unless they have changed it since COVID. The way it 705 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: worked before that was everybody you picked two. You vote 706 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: for two first first team quarterback, second team quarterback, and 707 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: then you know, they count up all the votes. And 708 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: so it's possible that Rising was basically named on more 709 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: ballots and so he ended up with more points. Right. 710 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: So let's say he was named on a lot of ballots, 711 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 1: but Dolora and DT are kind of split the first 712 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,319 Speaker 1: team a lot of first team votes. They have just 713 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 1: kind of eked it out based on you know, number numbers. Really, 714 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: I don't know that for sure, but that's possible based 715 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: on how they do the balloting. One of the things 716 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: that I don't think that people always realize that happens 717 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: with PAC twelve or conference awards is that it actually 718 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: impacts how players how they see themselves, right, and you know, 719 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: and it messes people's minds up when they are making 720 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: decisions based on the NFL draft. Was like, oh, I'm 721 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 1: first team All Pack Pack twelve, Like that doesn't mean 722 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: you're getting drafted higher than the guy that was honorable mentioned. Yeah, 723 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,720 Speaker 1: And I think that that that sometimes it throws people 724 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: off or or where a Conference Player of the Year 725 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: won't get drafted because that's happened, or a Conference Player 726 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: of the Year, you know, goes but behind the guy 727 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: that was on second team or honorable. And I think 728 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: that sometimes that that that the awards sometimes that that 729 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: that players don't always see it the same way that 730 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 1: people see the Grammys or the Oscars, where they're like, listen, 731 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: the best movie doesn't always win. Sometimes it's it's subjective. 732 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: It's based upon taste. Oh, no doubt about that, no doubt. 733 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: You know, the the NFL is right, it's probably more 734 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: it's more about talent and performance, right when they're doing 735 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: their evaluations, and and the All conference teams are more 736 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: about performance and talent, right. Nathan Eldridge, Oregon States center. 737 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: To me, that guy was clearly a first team All 738 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: Conference center, uh, or often offensive lineman, and he made it. 739 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: But what does he lay? I mean, is he gonna 740 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 1: get drafted? He probably adn't even gonna get drafted. Uh, 741 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 1: but he's certainly deserved All Conference honors facts. Uh, Offensive 742 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,800 Speaker 1: Player of the Year Drake London. What do you what 743 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 1: he played seven seven games? Yeah, eighty eight catches over 744 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: a thousand yards. I mean, are you okay with the 745 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 1: player who only played three two thirds of the season. 746 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 1: Well wait so so so he played eight total games? 747 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 1: He played six conference games, right, yeah? Yeah, no, no, 748 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 1: he played seven because wait they because they hadn't played 749 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: Notre Dame yet, because they played Notre Dame. I think 750 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: they hadn't played b y U. Okay, so so six? 751 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 1: Oh wait no, and he missed the cow Yeah, so 752 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: six or seven? So like six conference games? Probably? So 753 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,359 Speaker 1: was that enough two thirds of the games to win 754 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 1: PAC twelve Player of the Year. To me, it was 755 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 1: he was my pick partly because I didn't think he 756 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: was so good during I mean so good during for 757 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 1: those two months. It was stoppable. He was I mean, 758 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: he was playing at uh, you know, Heisman Trophy finalist level. 759 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,799 Speaker 1: If he kept that up, he would be going to 760 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 1: New York probably, um, and he would have had a 761 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,719 Speaker 1: chance to win on a losing team. Yeah, he might have, 762 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: I mean, because I mean it's very plausible that he 763 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:25,400 Speaker 1: could have reached sixteen sevent yards thirteen fourteen touchdounds at Bananas. 764 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,839 Speaker 1: So and the other thing is that there wasn't an 765 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 1: obvious if you're not gonna pick London, who are you 766 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: gonna pick? I didn't think it was very clear who 767 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: the number two was going to be. I think that 768 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: probably played a factor. And and also there's no criteria 769 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,439 Speaker 1: for for how many games you gotta play, right, And 770 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: there's plenty of guys who didn't play all twelve, right, 771 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,600 Speaker 1: some guys played ten or eleven, and so alright, well 772 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: if you play eight, is that that much worse than 773 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,440 Speaker 1: playing ten or eleven? Where's the line? So I I 774 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: thought he was for sure, and uh, I couldn't think 775 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: of a number two. I was like, who do you 776 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: vote for? Me? Could vote for me? There was a 777 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 1: lot of good the really very good group of tailbacks, 778 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,320 Speaker 1: but not one that stood out. Uh in the quarterback 779 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: On Thomas who had a good end of the year, um, 780 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,359 Speaker 1: but his numbers weren't like I popping aside from the touchdowns. 781 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 1: But then that's kind of like a goal line thing. 782 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 1: And then you have Travis Dy who had a good stretch, 783 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: but he wasn't their main guy all year, and like, 784 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,760 Speaker 1: oh we're Shot White and Sharbonnet and p J. Baylor 785 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,239 Speaker 1: are a lot of good tailbacks, but there was to me, 786 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 1: there was no there was. I don't know who if 787 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,839 Speaker 1: they had, you know, Drake London is not eligible. Who then, 788 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,839 Speaker 1: who would you have picked? I don't know, I really 789 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,879 Speaker 1: don't know. Uh, but he's and I bet you he's 790 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 1: gonna be. You know, I had to submit my votes 791 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 1: for the AP All America team today and my guess 792 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 1: is that he's going to be first or second team 793 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,960 Speaker 1: All American too. That is dope, that I mean, And 794 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 1: that is a adulations to a kid who who have 795 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: heard as a good kid, and he obviously works hard 796 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,759 Speaker 1: and and all of that. So yeah, um, I think 797 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,759 Speaker 1: we can all agree that Pat Tilman Defensive Player of 798 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,280 Speaker 1: the Year was correct with Devin Lloyd. He also happens 799 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,360 Speaker 1: to be not only the guy who had the best season, 800 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 1: but the probably the I mean, between him and Cavoni, 801 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 1: the best defenders in the Pack twelve. Like, both of 802 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 1: those guys are gonna be top ten picks. So this 803 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 1: is a case where Defensive Player of the Year also 804 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 1: lines up with the NFL draft. Oh yeah, absolutely, And 805 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 1: that was a no brainer pick to me. No brainer yep. Alright, 806 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: Freshman of the Year. See the COVID year has just 807 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 1: thrown this off. Freshman of the Year, Jaden Delora, he 808 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: played all I mean, he played a lot. His actual 809 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,359 Speaker 1: freshman year, Like, I know he's still a freshman, but 810 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: this feels him getting Freshman of the Year, Like I 811 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,879 Speaker 1: don't hate it, but I also it feels like when 812 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,319 Speaker 1: Blake Griffin or who was it, Ben Simmons or who 813 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: whoever wins Ricky of the Year their actual second year. Yeah, 814 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: I know, that's right, that's right. Uh, yeah, I I 815 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,280 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm sure that there was some discussion, uh 816 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,280 Speaker 1: within the conference office and you know, with the coaches 817 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,239 Speaker 1: about how they wanted to define freshmen this year, and 818 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:34,200 Speaker 1: it's certainly, you know, definitely different uh than it was 819 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,799 Speaker 1: last Basically, they just didn't count last year. So you know, 820 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,919 Speaker 1: if you're gonna say that the last year didn't count, 821 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: then Dolora was probably the pretty clear pick. Yeah, all right, Uh, 822 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: Pack twelve defensive Freshman of the Year Junior Toufuna from Utah. 823 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:56,239 Speaker 1: You're cool with that, you know, I guess, but I'm 824 00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 1: not sure it wasn't Noah Seoul Also, wouldn't you been eligible? Yes, 825 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: I thought I thought he was a shoeing to win. 826 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: So I don't understand that one, because Seuel would have 827 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: been eligible the same way do Laura was eligible, And 828 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to me, Yeah, I totally agree. Now, 829 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 1: kind of quickly through the all conference teams, one of 830 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,040 Speaker 1: the things that kind of eye popping, that kind of 831 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,320 Speaker 1: stood out to me was that Travis Dye was a 832 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,879 Speaker 1: finalist for PAC twelve Player of the Year but then 833 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 1: didn't make either first team or second team. Yeah, but 834 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: who are you gonna put? That's the thing. And I 835 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: you know, I did my own version of this, and 836 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,799 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, who am I going to pull off? 837 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 1: Which tailback is going to be on there instead of 838 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,960 Speaker 1: between Baylor, Thomas, Charbonnet and White. And I couldn't. I 839 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 1: couldn't figure out who to who to pull off? True 840 00:50:54,320 --> 00:51:00,040 Speaker 1: the Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. I 841 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,399 Speaker 1: would definitely agree with that. Uh. And we already talked 842 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 1: about the quarterback situation where we thought that Jaden Dolora 843 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,239 Speaker 1: should have been on. Um, what do you think about 844 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: Kyle Phillips on first team? Yeah? That he worked, I 845 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,239 Speaker 1: thought he was very productive. Was not a good year 846 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,799 Speaker 1: for receivers, I don't know, no, aside from Drake good 847 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:25,480 Speaker 1: year for tailbacks, tight ends offensive with tight ends. Yeah, 848 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 1: Because I'm a huge Greg Adultriche fan. Dude, I think 849 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,920 Speaker 1: that this kid is going to be a really really 850 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,239 Speaker 1: good NFL player too. Yeah, me too. Certain positions every year, 851 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, there's strength, positions of strength and positions of weakness. 852 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 1: And this year, you know, I thought the wide receiver 853 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,719 Speaker 1: was and quarterback we're weak. Uh. I thought running back, 854 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,279 Speaker 1: tight end, offensive line were pretty strong. I thought the 855 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,800 Speaker 1: defensive line was weak. I thought the linebackers were pretty strong. 856 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:59,279 Speaker 1: So it ebbs and flows. Yeah, UM, what did you 857 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,919 Speaker 1: think about now? On the did did you have any 858 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,880 Speaker 1: glaring things on the offensive line that uh that should 859 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:12,879 Speaker 1: have been changed? Um? Offensive line? I'm just looking at 860 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 1: it right now. I you know, I could I was 861 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 1: didn't pick Kirklands, but I didn't think that there was anything. 862 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 1: I didn't think there was anything egregious that they did. Um. 863 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,040 Speaker 1: Then all that, you know, the pool of you know, 864 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,239 Speaker 1: they had six guys on the first team because I 865 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,200 Speaker 1: think the tie and five on the second there was 866 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:37,160 Speaker 1: eleven were all reasonable picks. Yeah, I would agree with that, UM, 867 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:42,439 Speaker 1: first team defense and second team defense. Did anybody stick 868 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,600 Speaker 1: out to you on the defensive line? Because me, I 869 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,759 Speaker 1: actually thought that. I thought that getting Brandon Dora lists 870 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,880 Speaker 1: from Oregon on that list was very important because because 871 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 1: that that kid. To me, I think that if if 872 00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:01,680 Speaker 1: people haven't really paid attention to him play, Um, I 873 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,719 Speaker 1: I think that he's the next best thing coming out 874 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,879 Speaker 1: of the Pack twelve on the defensive line in terms 875 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 1: of NFL draft, you know, he I thought that was good. 876 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,359 Speaker 1: They picked Um, I'm looking at it. They picked six 877 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 1: defensive linemen because I guess because it ties right, So 878 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 1: he was one of six. They included Ron Stone as 879 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,520 Speaker 1: a defensive lineman. Yeah, yeah, I kind of viewed him 880 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:29,839 Speaker 1: as an edge outside linebacker. Um. To me, the thing 881 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,919 Speaker 1: that jumped out the most on defense was that dary 882 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 1: and Butler made second team. I thought he was very, 883 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: very good for a issue this year. Yes he was. 884 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,960 Speaker 1: He was. Yeah, he was their leading tackler and all 885 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,680 Speaker 1: of that, and and the other part that's kind of 886 00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,280 Speaker 1: weird is this is that, Okay, so you have um 887 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 1: on first team right? Well, actually, actually actually it wasn't that. 888 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, yeah, is that? So who was that? 889 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:09,000 Speaker 1: We just talked about the freshman defensive player of the 890 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:16,279 Speaker 1: year junior to t Funa from Utah, right, who is 891 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:23,280 Speaker 1: not on first team All Pack twelve on first team defense? Yes, yeah, 892 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,680 Speaker 1: I know. It's a little bizarre. She was not on 893 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: second team defense. It's a little bizarre. And where is 894 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:34,520 Speaker 1: Noah Seoul on first team? So you're like, how does 895 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,280 Speaker 1: this make sense? And I think the same thing happened 896 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,920 Speaker 1: either last year or the year before too, where you're like, 897 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,640 Speaker 1: how does this wait, how does the person who ohhh, 898 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,200 Speaker 1: I think it happened with Cabon Thibodeaux and Drake Jackson, 899 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,320 Speaker 1: where Cabon Thibodeaux was on like first team or something 900 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:58,080 Speaker 1: all Packed Pack twelve and Drake Jackson wasn't, but then 901 00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,400 Speaker 1: he won Freshman of the Year, And you're like, I 902 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,719 Speaker 1: don't understand or or or or or it was that 903 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,280 Speaker 1: uh Thibodeaux one Freshman of the Year and then wasn't 904 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,400 Speaker 1: on they all packed twelve team? Yeah, either away, those 905 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,400 Speaker 1: those types of things are always weird to me. I'm like, 906 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,040 Speaker 1: how how how is this guy not on first team 907 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,160 Speaker 1: defense but then he wins an award over a guy 908 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:27,920 Speaker 1: who's on first team defense. I don't I don't get it. 909 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,440 Speaker 1: I don't get it. So certainly something that needs to 910 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:35,560 Speaker 1: be uh asked to the conference office. Yeah, because that 911 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:40,640 Speaker 1: makes no sense. Um, uh, what what do you think 912 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:46,239 Speaker 1: about the uh oh Avery Roberts from Oregon State on 913 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,160 Speaker 1: first team. I thought that they I thought I would 914 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,839 Speaker 1: have probably switched him and Darien Butler. And even though 915 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,359 Speaker 1: I think that Nate Lanman is a better player, but 916 00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,239 Speaker 1: he missed some time, so I didn't think that you 917 00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,239 Speaker 1: could put him on first team over Butler. Yeah. I 918 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,920 Speaker 1: to me, Roberts is a very good player, and his 919 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,760 Speaker 1: tackle numbers were off the charts, but high level impact 920 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,960 Speaker 1: week to week. You know, I viewed him was the 921 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,920 Speaker 1: second team guy. But again, a lot of this is 922 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:21,239 Speaker 1: just is minor stuff. I don't think that, you know, 923 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,000 Speaker 1: I didn't see anything glare, you know, glaring other than 924 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,319 Speaker 1: the defensive freshman in the year situation. I didn't think 925 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:32,360 Speaker 1: there was anything real glaring. Avery reminds me of hamilcar 926 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,880 Speaker 1: in that, like the numbers are there, but you're watching it, 927 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:44,239 Speaker 1: You're like it doesn't feel dominant. Yeah, right, And their 928 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,800 Speaker 1: defense their defense was hardly dominant, right, I mean they were. 929 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,120 Speaker 1: They had a lot of trouble. Do you have any 930 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:56,840 Speaker 1: any problem with the dbs? Uh No, I mean a 931 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,160 Speaker 1: couple of them. You know, we're pretty clear to me, right, 932 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:04,160 Speaker 1: I mean McDuff, he's tremendous McKinley, uh Hicks, Yeah, I 933 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:08,759 Speaker 1: would have any of those. They got eight on there. Um, 934 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:13,680 Speaker 1: I can't think of anybody. Uh let's see, who would 935 00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,759 Speaker 1: they have left off that should have been on there? 936 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,680 Speaker 1: Washing washt bad. I think they pretty much got it right. Yeah, 937 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,919 Speaker 1: I would have. I would agree with that too, um, 938 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,280 Speaker 1: because I didn't think that there was anybody from uh 939 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:34,280 Speaker 1: USC or Arizona or um. Oh oh how about Chase 940 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,960 Speaker 1: Chase Lucas, Yeah, I picked him. Um. I thought he 941 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,280 Speaker 1: would have been maybe made at least second team from 942 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,919 Speaker 1: the coaches. Interesting that he wasn't. Um. You know, as 943 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: you probably fans probably think that they got robbed, but 944 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,960 Speaker 1: you know that they didn't. You got more of a 945 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,320 Speaker 1: case if you win your division and you get robbed, 946 00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:00,480 Speaker 1: then if you then if you don't for sure? Um 947 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:06,520 Speaker 1: any how about the specialists or yeah? No, I mean 948 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,880 Speaker 1: the specialists all looked good to me, right, and it's 949 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 1: interesting how they you know, Uh, how do you where 950 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,480 Speaker 1: do you put Britain Covey right receiver? Is he all purpose? 951 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:22,120 Speaker 1: Is he returned specialist? They ended up putting him. He 952 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,040 Speaker 1: has gonna be somewhere. They put him return specialists, which 953 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,200 Speaker 1: three time first team all Pack twelve selection. He's like 954 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,360 Speaker 1: thirty eight years old. He had, yeah, and he had 955 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,680 Speaker 1: You could really make a case he had the play 956 00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,040 Speaker 1: of the year, right, That punt return was the play 957 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:42,800 Speaker 1: of the year. Yes, that you are on right, John. Um. 958 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:48,600 Speaker 1: Before we finish up, though, Um, how would you grade 959 00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:55,120 Speaker 1: this season for the Pack twelve? I mean it kind 960 00:58:55,120 --> 00:59:00,000 Speaker 1: of it depends on an absolute basis or relative basis, right, 961 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:04,200 Speaker 1: because it's a lot like twenty eighteen nineteen, right, a 962 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,720 Speaker 1: lot of parody. No playoff team. I would probably give 963 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,480 Speaker 1: him a a C maybe C minus. I mean you 964 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:17,040 Speaker 1: combine the trouble at the top meaning no playoff team, 965 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,680 Speaker 1: with the trouble at the middle and the bottom, which 966 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,240 Speaker 1: all those non conference losses I mean, oh and five 967 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,760 Speaker 1: against b y U, oh and two against Indego State, 968 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:29,920 Speaker 1: two losses to FCS Vada, fres Noo Utah. I mean 969 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,280 Speaker 1: there was an overall was a losing record nonconference. So 970 00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how you can give them get you know, 971 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,240 Speaker 1: given anything above a C at very best and probably 972 00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,680 Speaker 1: a C minus, and then you factor in the lack 973 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:47,600 Speaker 1: of star power, uh individual level, right other than really 974 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:52,760 Speaker 1: Drake Drake Jackson on offense, Drake London, So uh C 975 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:58,200 Speaker 1: minus maybe what about you? You made a very compelling 976 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:03,440 Speaker 1: case that that overall, so you had a team that 977 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,720 Speaker 1: could have made the playoff and they didn't. Had a 978 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,880 Speaker 1: big non conference win in Oregon and they didn't. So 979 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,760 Speaker 1: that's a demerit already. So you can't get an a 980 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,160 Speaker 1: because you didn't make the playoff. You finished the regular 981 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,960 Speaker 1: season with two teams inside the top fifteen. So okay, 982 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, I guess right, I mean two 983 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,720 Speaker 1: teams inside the top fifteen, but you need like I 984 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,480 Speaker 1: think a win is like having a team in the 985 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,000 Speaker 1: playoff or two teams inside the top ten, like I 986 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,400 Speaker 1: would be okay with that. Um, I think that the 987 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:45,040 Speaker 1: non conference having a losing record is atrocious, like losing 988 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,120 Speaker 1: to two FCS teams. I can. I can give a 989 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:55,520 Speaker 1: pass for the Arizona for the Arizona one, right, uh 990 01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:03,200 Speaker 1: lou losing to Northern Northern Arizona, But Montana Washington, that's 991 01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,640 Speaker 1: a fail. That is a fail fail. I mean because 992 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:12,640 Speaker 1: what Washington is more talent, like they're better everything. Um 993 01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,480 Speaker 1: So that that was bad going oh in five against 994 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,840 Speaker 1: b y U was I mean, that was just that 995 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:25,640 Speaker 1: was embarrassing. That was embarrassing. Thank god it wasn't Notre Dame. 996 01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,200 Speaker 1: I mean, oh and then and oh and then no, no, 997 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,720 Speaker 1: Notre Dame went to two and oh two. But at 998 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,680 Speaker 1: least they were a top ten team and they played 999 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,440 Speaker 1: Stanford and and then Stanford was just atrocious. USC was 1000 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,640 Speaker 1: a doormat. It was bad, dude, it was. I gotta 1001 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,520 Speaker 1: give it a I'm I'm gonna go with you. I 1002 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,080 Speaker 1: might go all the way down to a D. Though. Yeah, 1003 01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you can certainly make a case 1004 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,160 Speaker 1: for D. That's not unreasonable. Yeah, it was. It was bad. 1005 01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,160 Speaker 1: It was Jesus wise, So is the even though we 1006 01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,120 Speaker 1: got a D or a C minus, is the our 1007 01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:09,840 Speaker 1: offers better off or better positions going into two? Uh? Probably? 1008 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,120 Speaker 1: I mean I think that certainly the situation sc helps, 1009 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:20,720 Speaker 1: But I think the biggest thing is that they're not 1010 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,440 Speaker 1: the conferences are coming off of COVID year, right. I 1011 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,840 Speaker 1: think that COVID had a bigger bigger impact on the 1012 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,520 Speaker 1: PAC twelve than it did on other comperences because pactual 1013 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,680 Speaker 1: teams had played fewer games last year, had fewer practices, 1014 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,040 Speaker 1: and weren't as ready to play, I mean, compared to 1015 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,000 Speaker 1: b Y You right, b Y. You started their training 1016 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,400 Speaker 1: camp in like on August one. They had a full 1017 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,320 Speaker 1: training camp. They had a full season that put them 1018 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,600 Speaker 1: in a better position when this year started, I thought 1019 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,200 Speaker 1: to be successful. So I think just the fact that 1020 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,560 Speaker 1: this has been a full year will put the pactual 1021 01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,920 Speaker 1: of in a better spot next September than it was 1022 01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:04,840 Speaker 1: in this September. That is legit um of final questions. 1023 01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,800 Speaker 1: I guess on the Pack twelve thing is I'm looking 1024 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,240 Speaker 1: at I guess kind of what's what's coming up with 1025 01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,680 Speaker 1: the alliance? Right? And I know that you get a 1026 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,640 Speaker 1: chance to talk to the people in the conference a lot. 1027 01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:22,640 Speaker 1: So when it when is this scheduling agreement supposed to start? 1028 01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,920 Speaker 1: Because they originally said that they're going to honor the 1029 01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,960 Speaker 1: contracts that they have. But if you honor the contracts 1030 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,000 Speaker 1: that you have now, like some some of those are 1031 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:36,440 Speaker 1: until like twenty two, So when when does the scheduling 1032 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:43,120 Speaker 1: agreements start? Well, so what they what needs to happen 1033 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,520 Speaker 1: is the Big Ten needs to decide if it's going 1034 01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:52,320 Speaker 1: to go to eight conference games. Mhm. If the Big 1035 01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,200 Speaker 1: Ten goes from nine to eight conference games, in the 1036 01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,360 Speaker 1: Pact twelve goes from nine conference games, then all of 1037 01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,400 Speaker 1: a sudden, they just play each other. That's how you 1038 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:05,480 Speaker 1: fill that new non conference slot on your schedule. If 1039 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,120 Speaker 1: the Big Ten doesn't do it, then it's gonna be 1040 01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,400 Speaker 1: I think a little bit more of a piecemeal situation. 1041 01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:16,720 Speaker 1: They've already got you know, dred and I think it's 1042 01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,680 Speaker 1: a hut games scheduled against Power five opponents in the 1043 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:25,400 Speaker 1: next ten years, So you know, there's plenty There's gonna 1044 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,920 Speaker 1: be plenty of games. Whether it's an official agreement or not, 1045 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,200 Speaker 1: it has to be worked out, but but there's plenty games. 1046 01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,880 Speaker 1: They got forty games against the SEC scheduled coming up. 1047 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,000 Speaker 1: So uh, this is just this is if there's an 1048 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:39,760 Speaker 1: if they go to eight, if they go to eight 1049 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,080 Speaker 1: for conference play and the Big Ten goes to eight 1050 01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,920 Speaker 1: for conference play, that that spot will be filled with 1051 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:52,560 Speaker 1: head to head matchups. Okay and okay, yeah, and I'm 1052 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,920 Speaker 1: actually excited about about that. But um, the way, everybody 1053 01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:01,840 Speaker 1: knows where we're gonna start transitioning because football season is ending, 1054 01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:08,880 Speaker 1: Impact twelve basketball season is going on, um quickly, uh, John, 1055 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:13,520 Speaker 1: The Pac twelve basketball season is going about as well 1056 01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,200 Speaker 1: in the non conference as the Pact or worse. Wait, 1057 01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,520 Speaker 1: is it going worse or about the same as the 1058 01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,400 Speaker 1: Pac twelve did in football? In the nine conference, Yeah, 1059 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,080 Speaker 1: it's not going very well, is not. There's a lot 1060 01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:30,080 Speaker 1: of losses to bad teams, um, and that could have 1061 01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,760 Speaker 1: a big impact on what happens on selection Sunday. There's 1062 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,720 Speaker 1: no doubt about that, no doubt. So you know the 1063 01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,000 Speaker 1: problem with basketball is that you know the way they 1064 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:44,400 Speaker 1: use those metrics. If you lose to a conference opponent 1065 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,120 Speaker 1: that's got a bad power rating, that affects you. And 1066 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,600 Speaker 1: so you've got some teams that are in the two 1067 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,440 Speaker 1: hundreds in the in the net rankings, and that's gonna 1068 01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,880 Speaker 1: kind of create a little bit of a sinkhole that 1069 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,680 Speaker 1: could swallow up some teams, right, and so, uh, you're 1070 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,440 Speaker 1: it's almost like you're defined by how bad your your 1071 01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,000 Speaker 1: worst teams are, then how good your best teams are. Yeah, 1072 01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:06,960 Speaker 1: and the worst team in the conference right now is 1073 01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,520 Speaker 1: Oregon State, who was in the set it was in 1074 01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:14,080 Speaker 1: the Elite eight sorry last year, and now they're one 1075 01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:18,400 Speaker 1: in eight, one in eight, one in eight and they 1076 01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,440 Speaker 1: and they committed to Wayne Tinkle for like seven years 1077 01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:26,000 Speaker 1: right with a new contract that that may be that 1078 01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:30,840 Speaker 1: may turn out to be a disaster. Um, Washington, Washington 1079 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,360 Speaker 1: is I mean, at at least they've crawled back up 1080 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:37,320 Speaker 1: to four and oh or four and four. Oregons is 1081 01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,200 Speaker 1: five and four. I mean, but but but at least 1082 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,600 Speaker 1: we have three three teams in the top six team. 1083 01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,640 Speaker 1: We got U C l A four, Arizona eleven in 1084 01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,040 Speaker 1: USC six sixteen, So at least somebody is doing their job. 1085 01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,440 Speaker 1: There's there there. Three teams are pretty much locks for 1086 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,640 Speaker 1: the n SEL Bay Tournament. The question is whether anybody 1087 01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:05,120 Speaker 1: from the group of Colorado, Otto, um uh Utah, Washington 1088 01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:09,120 Speaker 1: State and Oregon, how many of those four can become 1089 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,800 Speaker 1: ncb A tournament teams. That's gonna be the big question. 1090 01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,880 Speaker 1: All right, Well we will get to that very soon 1091 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,360 Speaker 1: to start covering that because the bowl games are coming, 1092 01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,800 Speaker 1: but they're kind of scattered. Um. Yeah, you guys. I'm 1093 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,600 Speaker 1: George Rice Stir, He's Mr John Wilder. This is the 1094 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,760 Speaker 1: Pack twelve Apostles. Peace out. Talk to you guys next week.