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Speaker 1: So okay, so in this episode, we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about something some of you may have heard about. It's
Speaker 1: called the Baltic Sea anomaly. So here's what happened in
Speaker 1: the real brief overview. There's a team of Swedish divers
Speaker 1: who called themselves the Ocean X Team, and they go
Speaker 1: they got looking for a ship actually the Baltic Sea
Speaker 1: and other places, most of the Baltics Sea because that's
Speaker 1: right next to Sweden, so that's a handy place. Um.
Speaker 1: And so they find ship Rex and they salvage whatever
Speaker 1: valuables he can get. They specialize, they say, in in
Speaker 1: salvaging old alcoholic beverages, beverage containers and things like that.
Speaker 1: And they found like, what was it champagne or something? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: creates and creates of bottles of this old champagne. It's
Speaker 1: worth all kinds of money. That's crazy, because at that
Speaker 1: point it's not good anymore. Right, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Probably how does it stay good when it's like super
Speaker 1: pressurized under water but it's cold, that's true. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I assume the bottles bottles stiff and and heavy and everything. Yes,
Speaker 1: so I don't think the pressure would would really do
Speaker 1: a minute, but the end of the time would maybe
Speaker 1: maybe make it not taste so great. I don't think
Speaker 1: the champagne you don't really want to age that long, right,
Speaker 1: I do not know. I do not know either. Listeners
Speaker 1: action tell us, it looks like we've got another unsolved
Speaker 1: mystery on our hands. Yeah so that's yeah. Okay, So anyway,
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I don't know if people buy
Speaker 1: those things to drink them or if they buy them
Speaker 1: just to have them. I don't know. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: say I get this really old bottle shipood, I don't know. Okay.
Speaker 1: So anyways, so they were they were out there scraunging
Speaker 1: around for shipwrecks, and they found what appeared to be
Speaker 1: a flying saucer, a really huge flying saucer on the
Speaker 1: floor of the Baltic Sea. Well, yeah, I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of people it's it's just an anomaly. It's this
Speaker 1: big object that such about two feet across, and it's
Speaker 1: round and flat and pretty circular, and so naturally when
Speaker 1: we're you know, it was it was a little bit
Speaker 1: of a mystery to these guys. And when we'd got out,
Speaker 1: of course, the usual UFO types stuck. Well, flying saucer
Speaker 1: crashed eons ago. It's been laid down there ever since. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so flying saucer. It's rounded, flat, as I said, two diameter,
Speaker 1: about ten to thirteen feet thick, and it's resting on
Speaker 1: a stone pillar that's about tall, and the pillar is
Speaker 1: almost as big around as the saucer itself. There's just
Speaker 1: some overhanging the edges. Yeah, so it's kind of an
Speaker 1: interesting looking it's kind of kind of like a really
Speaker 1: squat mushroom. On the top of the artifact of the anomaly,
Speaker 1: there's a dome shaped piece that looks and I haven't
Speaker 1: seen a complete picture of it because obviously lighting down
Speaker 1: at those depths it's kind of hard. But you see
Speaker 1: it's called the meringue, and it looks like it looks
Speaker 1: very very almost perfectly dome like and round like. It's
Speaker 1: about four meters across. It looks like a mushroom almost. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh So they also spotted up what they say is
Speaker 1: a perfectly circular hole about a foot across, and you know,
Speaker 1: I've seen pictures of it. I can't tell if it's
Speaker 1: perfectly circular or not, but they say it is. Uh yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: and again I think this is this is something we
Speaker 1: should probably just carry out for everything. Is that the
Speaker 1: images that we've got a bad well, they're the quality.
Speaker 1: It's either that their photographs or their video and their
Speaker 1: low grade video, or it's sonar, and you know, the
Speaker 1: sonar doesn't seem to be the highest caliber technology. So
Speaker 1: it makes it really tough to tell what you're going
Speaker 1: looking at. Because when I saw the photos, I would
Speaker 1: of the that hole you're talking about. Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: never thought that thing was a foot across. I thought
Speaker 1: it was a couple of inches across. It's really hard
Speaker 1: to get a sense of the scale. Yeah, they put across.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they didn't just swim over there
Speaker 1: and so many stick his arm down there and see
Speaker 1: what's down there? Well, how how deep. Is this about
Speaker 1: two down? But that too deep for a person to dive?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure at what point it's not too deep
Speaker 1: for people go deeper than that all the time. But yeah,
Speaker 1: at a certain point I think you need to get
Speaker 1: and I don't know a lot about scuba, but at
Speaker 1: a certain point you need to do things like saturation
Speaker 1: diving and stuff like that so you don't get the bends. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: because I was wondering why they didn't just send somebody
Speaker 1: down there. Yeah. The and I think when you get
Speaker 1: to that kind of depth that is fairly deep, you
Speaker 1: probably are pretty limited for your time on the bottom
Speaker 1: because you've got to go all the way down, and
Speaker 1: the longer you stay down than the slower your ascantastic be.
Speaker 1: So you won't get the bands and so and so
Speaker 1: if you want to, like unless you want to maybe
Speaker 1: take an extra air tank or something like that. Maybe
Speaker 1: people do it, but I don't think that these are
Speaker 1: the kind of people who do it, right. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so maybe they can call in the U. S. Navy.
Speaker 1: The U. S. Navy does all can they have people
Speaker 1: that do all kinds of stuff like that, So then
Speaker 1: they should call them the U. S. Navy and the
Speaker 1: investigating they probably have. Yeah, let those guys deal with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what else besides the perfect perfect circle, they found
Speaker 1: another allegedly round hole about two ms wide. And what's
Speaker 1: interesting about this is it's in the bottom of a
Speaker 1: square depression. It's a square box like depression in the anomaly.
Speaker 1: And in the middle of that box side depression there's
Speaker 1: just perfectly round circle, which is kind of interesting. And
Speaker 1: how far is that in in the anomaly or is
Speaker 1: this the second one? Now this is in a novel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and let's see. They also claimed that there is a
Speaker 1: perfectly round hole. Again they're always perfectly round and uh
Speaker 1: in the side of the object about two feet wide,
Speaker 1: so that I imagine that's probably a drain pipe or
Speaker 1: some sort probably the Yeah. Yeah, they did find another
Speaker 1: object not too far away, and that object on sonar
Speaker 1: came up looking kind of like a cathedral window. But
Speaker 1: I found an interview with one of the guys. It
Speaker 1: was that Peter Lindbergh is one of the guys that
Speaker 1: is ocean X and he said that when they went
Speaker 1: over to investigate it, it it just turned out to be
Speaker 1: a bunch of boulders. Nothing so nothing special's claiming that
Speaker 1: something special. Yeah, now, okay, well that adds a little validity,
Speaker 1: little credibility, right And you although you know it could
Speaker 1: be a calculated move, but if you are willing to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: we originally thought it looked like a window, but we
Speaker 1: went over and it was just rocks, probably you're not
Speaker 1: at least consciously lying about I think the point you're
Speaker 1: getting at is, as we have talked about before we
Speaker 1: started recording, is that a lot of the story, not
Speaker 1: necessarily by the guys who found it, but it's been
Speaker 1: very sensationalized. Yeah, not necessarily, not necessarily by these guys exactly.
Speaker 1: And he actually is that that same interview he said
Speaker 1: that he's he's sure it's going to turn out to
Speaker 1: just be rocks, just be a big rock formation. He
Speaker 1: says he's not a believer in UFOs, you know, And
Speaker 1: he says but he at the same time I think
Speaker 1: he is. They are milking it for a little bit
Speaker 1: of publicity, you know, I would, Yeah, I don't blame
Speaker 1: him right now. It cracks me up because one of
Speaker 1: the things that I remember reading interview is saying, well,
Speaker 1: we need to get funding to go do more research
Speaker 1: on at which point he was imploring people to go
Speaker 1: to their website and by Ocean Team, Ocean X or
Speaker 1: Ocean Next Team, whichever the name is, by gear yea,
Speaker 1: by their gear, their shirts and their jackets, their hoodies,
Speaker 1: and I really you're milking up a little bit, a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know. I didn't even check the pricing
Speaker 1: on those. Maybe maybe maybe I'll buy a hoodie or
Speaker 1: something like that. Yea. By the way, folks, uh, when
Speaker 1: you're done listening to us, don't forget to check out
Speaker 1: our gift shop we've got on your way out. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So anyway, another interesting interesting thing is that they found
Speaker 1: again as it's not something you're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: see through scuba diving, but apparently the sonar side scanning
Speaker 1: equipment that you showed that there was kind of a
Speaker 1: stretch of ocean or not ocean, but the sea bottom
Speaker 1: there that's kind of almost gouged out, like it's about
Speaker 1: a thousand feet long. They call it the runway. Oh
Speaker 1: I heard I heard a less awesome term. It was
Speaker 1: called the skid mark. This skid mark perfect. Yeah that works. Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I didn't just didn't come rocketing down
Speaker 1: plunged through the water and skid to a stop on
Speaker 1: the bottom. But maybe it did. So there's the runway, um,
Speaker 1: and it's how how big is the runway? It's about
Speaker 1: a thousand feet long and about as wide as the
Speaker 1: anomaly is. Okay, so it's pretty big. Then, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pretty big. Yeah, Okay, So there's some silts on the object.
Speaker 1: When they when they they're divers scraped away the silt,
Speaker 1: they said that there was black material underneath, so stranger still. Anyway,
Speaker 1: they didn't have a lot of time that first time,
Speaker 1: so they they've gone back since, Like I think that,
Speaker 1: to my knowledge, they have been back four times. That's
Speaker 1: what I see. And they recover some rock fragments. I
Speaker 1: don't know that. And this this is again something that's
Speaker 1: a little bit unclear, is that did they actually get
Speaker 1: down there and chip these things off of the anomaly
Speaker 1: itself or were they just loose rocks laying on the anomaly.
Speaker 1: They don't really say. I got the impression that at
Speaker 1: least some of them were picked up from around it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know that they tried to break and I
Speaker 1: don't know that they could necessarily break something off of
Speaker 1: it easily because osing an r O V, which those
Speaker 1: things aren't strong and have a lot of torsion to
Speaker 1: take a big chunk of rock. Yeah, but you do
Speaker 1: run the risk if you're just picking up stuff like
Speaker 1: around it, that it's not going to be the same material.
Speaker 1: That's actually an issue. Yeah yeah, Well go ahead, and
Speaker 1: what do you have any of the analysis of what
Speaker 1: the stuff that they picked up was or yeah, they
Speaker 1: had it. They had an analyzed by some scientists who
Speaker 1: said that it contained lamanite and gothite. And that adds
Speaker 1: some fuel to the fire because the guy who did
Speaker 1: the analysis said that these are these are not found
Speaker 1: in nature, and these they would point towards modern construction
Speaker 1: and that aliens or aliens too. Yeah, absolutely so, more
Speaker 1: than modern constructions, super futuristic instruction. So here's the other thing.
Speaker 1: One of the rocks that they picked up was volcanic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there wasn't there hasn't been volcanic activity there in eons.
Speaker 1: So that was another weird thing, wiser chunk of volcanic
Speaker 1: rocks sitting here. Yeah. Well, actually there was an explanation
Speaker 1: for that too. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm sure you're gonna
Speaker 1: get to glacial glacial activity. Yeah, so apparently that used
Speaker 1: to be home to a glacier, the Baltic Sea, which
Speaker 1: apparently glaciers pick up rocks and carry them a long
Speaker 1: way and eventually when they melt, they you know, drop
Speaker 1: those rocks. Glaciers are hoarders, they kick stuff up. Oh no,
Speaker 1: it's true. They're they're all over. There's all kinds of
Speaker 1: facts and accounts of rocks that are completely out of place.
Speaker 1: It's you've seen those weird standing rock formations, like how
Speaker 1: did that rock get on top of the other one?
Speaker 1: And they say that a lot and these are like
Speaker 1: the big ones that you see at some of the
Speaker 1: national parks and around our country. Is they say that
Speaker 1: a lot of those were part of a glacier and
Speaker 1: they were in different strata of it and as it melted,
Speaker 1: they just settled on top of each other. And you're
Speaker 1: telling me, is that Stonehenge was a glacial formation? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Actually that was. That was about a dozen glacial formations.
Speaker 1: They all came and butted heads and just were stuck,
Speaker 1: you know, and then they melted. Yeah goodness. Okay, So anyway, um,
Speaker 1: but some other geologists have since said that it's actually
Speaker 1: not unusual to find those things in nature at all.
Speaker 1: That again, we're talking about lemonite and go site. I
Speaker 1: hope I'm pronouncing those correctly. Uh. Some of them said
Speaker 1: that nodules no goite. I think it's go Thie or
Speaker 1: Goethe or something like. Okay, I don't know, too lazy
Speaker 1: to go out in the weabon, but do so. But
Speaker 1: other geologists has said that these can be These are
Speaker 1: actually found in nodules on the seabed, and so it's
Speaker 1: not it's not really anything out of the ordinary. So
Speaker 1: so much for that. They another thing the team has
Speaker 1: said has said, as they said that they're electronic devices,
Speaker 1: stop working like they have they have a satellite phone
Speaker 1: that when they're right over the object they it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: They have to back away from a couple of hundred feet,
Speaker 1: didn't They say they had issues with their lights as
Speaker 1: well when they were on top the lights and camera
Speaker 1: why the pictures were gross. Not necessarily, but that's why
Speaker 1: they can't get good pictures because their camera wouldn't work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard I've read accounts where they were saying that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of their equipment was attempting to malfunction
Speaker 1: on them until they got away from it. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: like the unit they were in didn't just plot to
Speaker 1: the plummet to the bottom and quit working. It was
Speaker 1: you had to get away from it. In the sub
Speaker 1: you were saying there was problems, Yeah, which I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's just faulty equipment. Could just be faulty equipment.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, you're at sea, sea water salt.
Speaker 1: It's not good for under the ocean. Yeah. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: they have been able to produce some sonar imaging of
Speaker 1: the object and we can post some of that on
Speaker 1: our website for our listeners to go check out. Check out.
Speaker 1: It's hard to tell what's going on, but kind of
Speaker 1: worth the watch. Yeah, and uh, they they've paired up
Speaker 1: with a Swedish film crew and they're supposedly we're going
Speaker 1: to make a documentary. And I have not been able
Speaker 1: to actually find any evidence that the Doctor the documentary
Speaker 1: ever actually came about. I read a news story that
Speaker 1: had been aired on Estonian TV. So anyway, apparently I
Speaker 1: looked around for any copies on the internet. There were,
Speaker 1: and somebody had posted one on YouTube, but it had
Speaker 1: been taken down because of copyright of course. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that was it was not able to find one of those.
Speaker 1: As far as their sonar imaging goes, that has been
Speaker 1: critiqued by some experts. A guy I think Wood's whole
Speaker 1: Institute pointed looked at it and pointed out that number one,
Speaker 1: side scanning sonar is not really the best way to
Speaker 1: image things on the bottom of the ocean. You can
Speaker 1: find stuff, but you're not exactly getting a real picture
Speaker 1: of it. And he said that looking at that, it
Speaker 1: looked like they hadn't calibrated it properly and looked like
Speaker 1: it was kind of a little quality equipment. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of echoes and other artifacts in it, and
Speaker 1: so when you see things that look like straight lines
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, now it's probably just an artifact
Speaker 1: of your electronics and not not not it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: doesn't show mean this thing was man made. It's just
Speaker 1: something introduced by your by your equipment. Didn't They say
Speaker 1: that the same thing about some of the dark areas
Speaker 1: that are shown on on those side scans, Because this
Speaker 1: is this is what raged around the internet at first
Speaker 1: is oh, it looks like the millennium fat It kind
Speaker 1: of does, but then it's got these weird dark lines
Speaker 1: across the top and you can't tell what's going on,
Speaker 1: which you know, it makes it look like maybe those
Speaker 1: are deep cracks or something. And he was saying that
Speaker 1: that's also not the same issue because they're kind of straight,
Speaker 1: but they shouldn't be dark like that. So I'm not
Speaker 1: and I'm not really an expert on side scanning sonar.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how it works, and I'm kind
Speaker 1: of assuming that it takes slices of a picture, so
Speaker 1: what you're seeing and that is probably a reconstruction of
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of blips. I read that
Speaker 1: the side scanning sonar is not just one, but it's
Speaker 1: two that are then fed in to a computer that
Speaker 1: then assembles. It's not calibrated exactly, so they should both be,
Speaker 1: let's say, pointing exactly straight down, but they're off kilter
Speaker 1: a little bit towards her away or probably towards each other,
Speaker 1: which is what's causing the echoes, because the front one
Speaker 1: is picking up stuff from what the rear ones throwing
Speaker 1: and vice versa. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: that this is probably not the highest quality center, because
Speaker 1: you know, even Peter Lindbergh themselves said that they were
Speaker 1: having trouble with their stabilization of the gear, and there's
Speaker 1: there's those things they're supposed to have stay like like
Speaker 1: gyros or whatever, and they keep them pointed in the
Speaker 1: proper direction, and apparently there's either was non existent or
Speaker 1: not working that well. So so and so, you know,
Speaker 1: as far as looking at this same thing and saying, wow,
Speaker 1: that's a picture of it, well not really. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like looking at ultrasound. I mean, I've looked at
Speaker 1: people's ultrasounds of their unborn children, and they're gonna look
Speaker 1: at this, and I look at it, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: can't see anything, or like I can kind of see
Speaker 1: the curve ahead. That also could just be like who
Speaker 1: knows what, you know, like could be some undigested food,
Speaker 1: you know, you know it's yeah, I don't have a clue. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the way side's getting sonar is
Speaker 1: just that doesn't really give you a clear picture. So anyway,
Speaker 1: the the imaging has been severely critiqued and and it's
Speaker 1: been said to not really be accurately reliable as far
Speaker 1: as telling us what's down there. Anyway. I meanwhile, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure if they've actually acquired just an
Speaker 1: up at ocean access, like I was talking about acquiring
Speaker 1: a tour submarine, because you can buy those things. You
Speaker 1: know that they're the ones that are they have all
Speaker 1: the big domes, glass domes and signs in the front,
Speaker 1: so and so people can buy tickets and ride in
Speaker 1: this thing and look at the domes and they can
Speaker 1: take them to view the anomaly. And they have pictures
Speaker 1: of the submarine on their website and they have pictures
Speaker 1: of them in it. But I didn't know if they
Speaker 1: actually were just checking it out. I was wondering, Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you guys buy this or you just at the
Speaker 1: at the carl A sublot. So I guess one of
Speaker 1: my biggest questions about this whole thing is like, why
Speaker 1: haven't other people gone and checked it out? You know,
Speaker 1: people with better equipment. There are a lot of people
Speaker 1: right who are really interested in deep sea anomalies like this,
Speaker 1: who have really good equipment and go and explore a
Speaker 1: lot of deep sea things. So like, why haven't any
Speaker 1: of those taken interest in this? And like Jacques Cousto,
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, that's I guess that's like
Speaker 1: a big question mark in my head is like, I
Speaker 1: think just these guys. Yeah, I think these guys are
Speaker 1: keeping it and they're keeping the exact locations secret. Yeah
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah they haven't. They haven't disclosed where it's
Speaker 1: at yet. Yeah, it's somewhere between Finland and Sweden. That's
Speaker 1: not super helpful. Yeah, so guess yeah, it's just a
Speaker 1: detriment to them, right because if they could get other
Speaker 1: people in here to like explore it, they could have
Speaker 1: access to better equipment. Yeah, it could understand what's actually
Speaker 1: going on down there. But their salvage operators, so they
Speaker 1: they practice the art of mom's the word until I
Speaker 1: can guarantee I know what it is and then hauling
Speaker 1: up or make some money. Yeah. So yeah, they're not
Speaker 1: gonna like you, but yeah, I would think they could
Speaker 1: at least find some investors or find a partner somebody
Speaker 1: that somebody with more money and better equipment. That would
Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of people out there.
Speaker 1: Yeahbody's gotta be Yeah. Gates just asked him for some money.
Speaker 1: Absolutely my email he's given her away all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah he does. I know. I've sent him like thousands
Speaker 1: of emails demanding money. All I got was a season
Speaker 1: desist or okay, but anyway, so the this, so this
Speaker 1: kind of activity in their part has caused some people
Speaker 1: to suspect their motives and this whole thing. And they
Speaker 1: and they're benefiting from keeping this thing as mysterious as possible.
Speaker 1: So because they're making money off they're probably I don't
Speaker 1: know how much money they're selling on their have a
Speaker 1: stuff they're selling on their website, but I imagine they're
Speaker 1: selling some stuff. And if they can actually go a
Speaker 1: bunch of wealthy people into buying tickets for the little
Speaker 1: submarine tour to go see the anomaly, and that'll be
Speaker 1: a nice little money maker for him. And obviously the
Speaker 1: best thing for them has gotten them simple this publicity
Speaker 1: and so nobody ever heard of them before, and now
Speaker 1: apparently they say that they have been they have actually
Speaker 1: signed some sort of a deal with some Panamanian Indians
Speaker 1: who have exclusive rights to this area off the Panamanian coast.
Speaker 1: Their ship there, yeah, and their shipwrecks out there apparently
Speaker 1: like from you know, chips coming from South America and
Speaker 1: curbing ownds whatever you know, and obviously loaded with lots
Speaker 1: of gold and stuff like that. So there's probably all. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, if they if that actually is true
Speaker 1: and if that pans out for those guys, and that
Speaker 1: could that could make them lots of money. And maybe
Speaker 1: at that point they'll just say, Okay, here's what the
Speaker 1: anomaly is. We don't care anymore. Yeah, here's the latitude
Speaker 1: and longitude. Yeah. So anyway, other people that have put
Speaker 1: towards some other theory. I mean, we've got we talked
Speaker 1: about the UFO theory that are out there so far,
Speaker 1: there's about four of them. One is that, of course
Speaker 1: it's the UFO. Another another theory is that it's a
Speaker 1: turret from an old battleship. And I don't know that
Speaker 1: any turret was ever made that was that big, so
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really shape. Yeah, I was going
Speaker 1: to say the shape is wrong to me to be turret. Yeah,
Speaker 1: plus would have bigger holes in it. Yeah. This is
Speaker 1: a guy from Discover magazine to put this particular theory
Speaker 1: on me. Do you mean that it's like a two
Speaker 1: hundred feet wide turret, right, it's a two hundred diameter turret. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh so that it's like, uh, the gun turret, you know,
Speaker 1: the gun turret that right? Yeah? No, I I understand that.
Speaker 1: I just okay, yeah, I hadn't think okay, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to go out and check Jane's
Speaker 1: fighting ships to see, like you know what, like World
Speaker 1: War One Arab battleships were sunck in the Baltic But
Speaker 1: those turrets actually on old battleships like that, they're not
Speaker 1: really anchored. They just gravity hold them in place, so
Speaker 1: they if a ship sank and it turned over tumblipped,
Speaker 1: then I think that turret could indeed fall off of
Speaker 1: it and come to rest on the on on the
Speaker 1: floor of the sea there, but there'd be a nice
Speaker 1: big shipwreck very close by. Y yeah, yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: so you would think that it would have started to
Speaker 1: rust pre severely after that much time. Yeah so yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm not really buying the whole turret theory myself, but
Speaker 1: we'll see after they after they finished to get back
Speaker 1: out there with a whole lot of money and cool gears.
Speaker 1: Another uh, an ex Swedish sailor somebody that used to
Speaker 1: be with the Swedish Navy apparently put forth another theory,
Speaker 1: which is that is the base of a World War
Speaker 1: two era Nazi anti submarine warfare structure or device, and
Speaker 1: I kind of like that theory. Actually I didn't get this,
Speaker 1: I didn't need it. Well, you know. So the idea
Speaker 1: is is that they would build of this concrete and
Speaker 1: steel structure and it would have wire mesh, and somehow
Speaker 1: the wire mesh in this it's a it's a little vague.
Speaker 1: The scriptures ever, with the wire mesh would would spook
Speaker 1: submarine's radar systems and cause it to lose its variance
Speaker 1: and crash. And that confuses me. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the guy is talking about, because submarines don't you generally
Speaker 1: use radar. When I read it, When I was reading
Speaker 1: this theory, what I got from it was remember how
Speaker 1: we talked about they said that they had issues with
Speaker 1: their equipment when they were near it. Yeah, exactly. And
Speaker 1: what I understood it to be was more of it
Speaker 1: was throwing out some kind of field. I don't know
Speaker 1: what kind of field that would be that was gonna
Speaker 1: mess with it. Not just mess up at sonar and
Speaker 1: and tell it it's at the wrong depth of or angle,
Speaker 1: but more it would really screw everything up and then
Speaker 1: kind of like their sat phone, things would just stop
Speaker 1: working and then they would sink to the bottom and
Speaker 1: be done. It couldn't matter that it could mess with
Speaker 1: sonar and some way that it would send back kind
Speaker 1: of like blips are like anomalous blips or something like that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the you know, the problem I've had with this is
Speaker 1: what I've been reading accounts by journalists who obviously don't
Speaker 1: know anything about the submarine submarine warfare, and the description
Speaker 1: of exactly how this messed with the submarines is still
Speaker 1: kind of beyond me because it interferes with their radar,
Speaker 1: while submarines still generally use active radar because it gives
Speaker 1: away their position. Uh yeah, this on a previous joke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, yeah, yes, they're coof Also, the Nazis
Speaker 1: were pretty scrupulous about keeping records and and there would
Speaker 1: be something in the history books about this if they
Speaker 1: had built some enormous structure at the bottom of the
Speaker 1: Baltic Sea, I mean we would know, we would know
Speaker 1: about it. But Joe, we don't know about I mean,
Speaker 1: they didn't keep records about the fact that they are
Speaker 1: now living in the center of the earth. The Nazis
Speaker 1: are Oh yeah, that's a good point. They're in the
Speaker 1: middle of the Earth. The lizard people. Yeah, they are well,
Speaker 1: because you know the earth is hollow. Yeah, they were
Speaker 1: pretty careful and their way off the door to destroy
Speaker 1: stuff like that that would give away their position. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But you know, so as far as the Baltics Sea anomaly,
Speaker 1: I don't think they would have cared about that. That's
Speaker 1: when there they want. They're wanting to grab all their
Speaker 1: valuables and just head down and join the what people
Speaker 1: are they? The lizard people? Yeah? Okay, yeah, so parties
Speaker 1: throw a wicked, heinous Yeah, okay. So I would have
Speaker 1: to say that unless there's some some some major disclosure,
Speaker 1: some story and comes across some evidence of them building
Speaker 1: something like this two feet down in the Baltic Sea,
Speaker 1: I have to say that this is not a credible theory. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess the Yeah. The other thing that comes upright
Speaker 1: is how did they build it that deep? Right? Would
Speaker 1: They probably would have built it on land and then
Speaker 1: and then take it out there and draw. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the only thing I can think of it because they
Speaker 1: wouldn't been able to. Yeah, and it's conceivable that they
Speaker 1: could have done something like that. That That would be a
Speaker 1: major project. I mean, like, how would you float something
Speaker 1: that huge and heavy out to the middle of the
Speaker 1: Baltic Sea and drop it. Yeah, that's a little weird.
Speaker 1: And I swear I read something when in an accounting
Speaker 1: that was saying that this was similar to I think
Speaker 1: it was on this story. I've been reading a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff lately, but something about the Brits were doing
Speaker 1: something similar to to mess with U boats around England,
Speaker 1: and so they would put things out there and they
Speaker 1: would mess with them, but their ships, of course knew
Speaker 1: the proper path to get through, but it was a deterrence.
Speaker 1: It was almost like, uh, gosh, I can't think of
Speaker 1: the Star Wars is the only thing I can think of,
Speaker 1: Like the Star Wars program that we were going to
Speaker 1: do in the eighties with Reagan, something like that, whereas
Speaker 1: a bunch of beams of something in the ocean, but
Speaker 1: it somehow messed them up. But I couldn't find a
Speaker 1: core lay shouldn't and make it sync up, so I didn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't follow it. How big a problem were submarines
Speaker 1: in the Baltic Sea or you know, I mean, like
Speaker 1: worth that kind of investment to like maybe kind of
Speaker 1: mess with them. Yeah, maybe, because I mean the Soviets
Speaker 1: they have a Baltic sea fleet. Yeah, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: and so they they would have been sending submarines to
Speaker 1: the Baltic all the time. So yeah, so it might
Speaker 1: have been worth their investment. But it just seems like
Speaker 1: kind of I had no idea how this supposed thing
Speaker 1: was supposed to work. Usually anti submarine defenses tend to
Speaker 1: tend to be more like things like nets and cables
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Maybe it was supposed to be
Speaker 1: like a net would be there and then the submarine
Speaker 1: would be coming along and would trigger something, and they
Speaker 1: would let the net up and the trigger and the
Speaker 1: summarine and be like, oh no, but it's too lush,
Speaker 1: and then they would like pull the net back in
Speaker 1: and it would be like released for the next one.
Speaker 1: But I like it. So when if they cracked the
Speaker 1: thing up and what they're going to find is a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of Soviet subs in their rusting Soviet I
Speaker 1: like it. This sounds very much like every bad movie
Speaker 1: I've watched where they're running along and then the nets
Speaker 1: scoops them up. That's what that's akin to to me.
Speaker 1: It was the Nazis, and they did some crazy Yeah,
Speaker 1: they they had some ideas that were really bad. They
Speaker 1: had very unique ideas. I will so you have accepted
Speaker 1: that they are living underneath us. Oh yeah, Oh no,
Speaker 1: because I don't believe in the lizard people, so therefore
Speaker 1: they can't be living with lizards. Certainly there it's just hollow.
Speaker 1: We all know this. But uh, and I said, you
Speaker 1: had another theory, which is that this is the drain
Speaker 1: plug of the world. I mean, and so if we
Speaker 1: pop that that, we're just draining the oceans and we'll
Speaker 1: have so much more land to work with. Okay, I
Speaker 1: made that one up. No, I'm actually somebody actually said that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, it could be the drain plug. I guess
Speaker 1: what they needed. Yeah, if they go back and look
Speaker 1: there's it's probably a little chain attached to the center
Speaker 1: of that thing and they just need to pull on that.
Speaker 1: Favorite theories so far. Okay, so let's let's cut down
Speaker 1: the theories one more time. Okay, we've got UFO, the
Speaker 1: anti submarine warfare structure or slash device, the turret from
Speaker 1: an old battleship, rock outcropping train plug of the world
Speaker 1: says five theories, which what are you guys voting for? Devon?
Speaker 1: I like drain plug of the world, okay, yeah, or
Speaker 1: Nazi like Venus fly trap net situation okay, Okay. Personally,
Speaker 1: I think that I'm going more with the rock outcropping,
Speaker 1: just because it was known that there's We do know
Speaker 1: that there was big honking glaciers in that area a
Speaker 1: long long time ago and drag They were known to
Speaker 1: drag stones around, which to me would explain the runway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is if if it is on the bottom of of
Speaker 1: a glacier and it's being drug along with the glacier
Speaker 1: until it finally breaks free and it's really burrowed its
Speaker 1: way in there, that would make sense to me maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that. It's possibility, and that you know, if
Speaker 1: it was being drug along, it was probably being drug
Speaker 1: along for a really really long time, right, so that
Speaker 1: would kind of explain its round shape that had been
Speaker 1: worn into, and then the glacier would have been scraping
Speaker 1: across the top of it once it let go of it,
Speaker 1: so that might explain part of its dome shape. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is me spitball in here, but that's the only
Speaker 1: thing that I can come up with. It makes sense, yeah, yeah, fact. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The fact is is that you know nature produces all
Speaker 1: sorts of interesting objects all the time. That seemed incredible,
Speaker 1: But you know it's totally nature. Yeah, it's totally nature.
Speaker 1: It's just rand. I'm kind of between rock out cropping
Speaker 1: and train plug. Yeah, but I'm gonna have to flip
Speaker 1: a coin here and flip think. Yeah, that's sound lazy.
Speaker 1: I am. I'm too lazy to get up and go
Speaker 1: find a quarter. Yeah, Okay, it's a rock out cropping.
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