WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Baltic Sea Anomaly 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:16.520 Thinking Sideways, I don't know, just stories of things we 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:20.759 simply don't know the answer too. Well, Hi there, and 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:25.200 welcome to Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe and joined us always 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:29.200 by Devin and Steve. All right, then we're here to 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:36.080 solve you have another mystery? Every time, never just talking 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.199 about informing. There's no point in just talking about. We've 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:41.960 got to solve it. So that's what we're gonna do, alright. 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.479 So okay, so in this episode, we're going to talk 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.800 about something some of you may have heard about. It's 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:51.640 called the Baltic Sea anomaly. So here's what happened in 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.440 the real brief overview. There's a team of Swedish divers 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.160 who called themselves the Ocean X Team, and they go 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:00.960 they got looking for a ship actually the Baltic Sea 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.319 and other places, most of the Baltics Sea because that's 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.160 right next to Sweden, so that's a handy place. Um. 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:08.479 And so they find ship Rex and they salvage whatever 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.840 valuables he can get. They specialize, they say, in in 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:15.440 salvaging old alcoholic beverages, beverage containers and things like that. 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:20.840 And they found like, what was it champagne or something? Yeah, yeah, 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.080 creates and creates of bottles of this old champagne. It's 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.240 worth all kinds of money. That's crazy, because at that 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.479 point it's not good anymore. Right, I have no idea. 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.160 Probably how does it stay good when it's like super 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:38.760 pressurized under water but it's cold, that's true. Yeah, you know, 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:43.479 I assume the bottles bottles stiff and and heavy and everything. Yes, 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.880 so I don't think the pressure would would really do 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:48.720 a minute, but the end of the time would maybe 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.080 maybe make it not taste so great. I don't think 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.559 the champagne you don't really want to age that long, right, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.680 I do not know. I do not know either. Listeners 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:02.400 action tell us, it looks like we've got another unsolved 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:06.800 mystery on our hands. Yeah so that's yeah. Okay, So anyway, 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.519 I don't know, and I don't know if people buy 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.639 those things to drink them or if they buy them 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.760 just to have them. I don't know. Yeah, I just 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.480 say I get this really old bottle shipood, I don't know. Okay. 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:19.680 So anyways, so they were they were out there scraunging 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.040 around for shipwrecks, and they found what appeared to be 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:26.680 a flying saucer, a really huge flying saucer on the 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:30.600 floor of the Baltic Sea. Well, yeah, I mean a 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.640 lot of people it's it's just an anomaly. It's this 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.320 big object that such about two feet across, and it's 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:39.640 round and flat and pretty circular, and so naturally when 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:41.920 we're you know, it was it was a little bit 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.240 of a mystery to these guys. And when we'd got out, 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.360 of course, the usual UFO types stuck. Well, flying saucer 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:52.000 crashed eons ago. It's been laid down there ever since. Yeah, 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.720 so flying saucer. It's rounded, flat, as I said, two diameter, 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.079 about ten to thirteen feet thick, and it's resting on 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:03.079 a stone pillar that's about tall, and the pillar is 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.440 almost as big around as the saucer itself. There's just 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.840 some overhanging the edges. Yeah, so it's kind of an 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:10.560 interesting looking it's kind of kind of like a really 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:15.720 squat mushroom. On the top of the artifact of the anomaly, 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:19.400 there's a dome shaped piece that looks and I haven't 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.959 seen a complete picture of it because obviously lighting down 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.320 at those depths it's kind of hard. But you see 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.280 it's called the meringue, and it looks like it looks 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.240 very very almost perfectly dome like and round like. It's 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:35.320 about four meters across. It looks like a mushroom almost. Yeah. Yeah. 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.720 Uh So they also spotted up what they say is 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:43.280 a perfectly circular hole about a foot across, and you know, 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:44.880 I've seen pictures of it. I can't tell if it's 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.760 perfectly circular or not, but they say it is. Uh yeah, Well, 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:50.480 and again I think this is this is something we 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.840 should probably just carry out for everything. Is that the 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.080 images that we've got a bad well, they're the quality. 0:03:56.080 --> 0:04:00.960 It's either that their photographs or their video and their 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:05.040 low grade video, or it's sonar, and you know, the 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.920 sonar doesn't seem to be the highest caliber technology. So 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.840 it makes it really tough to tell what you're going 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.040 looking at. Because when I saw the photos, I would 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.480 of the that hole you're talking about. Yeah, I had 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.480 never thought that thing was a foot across. I thought 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.800 it was a couple of inches across. It's really hard 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.000 to get a sense of the scale. Yeah, they put across. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.440 I don't know why they didn't just swim over there 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:27.920 and so many stick his arm down there and see 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.839 what's down there? Well, how how deep. Is this about 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:35.640 two down? But that too deep for a person to dive? 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.080 I'm not sure at what point it's not too deep 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.360 for people go deeper than that all the time. But yeah, 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:42.400 at a certain point I think you need to get 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.720 and I don't know a lot about scuba, but at 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.240 a certain point you need to do things like saturation 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:51.760 diving and stuff like that so you don't get the bends. Yeah, okay, 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:53.920 because I was wondering why they didn't just send somebody 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.040 down there. Yeah. The and I think when you get 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.599 to that kind of depth that is fairly deep, you 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.280 probably are pretty limited for your time on the bottom 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.560 because you've got to go all the way down, and 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.120 the longer you stay down than the slower your ascantastic be. 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.200 So you won't get the bands and so and so 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:12.800 if you want to, like unless you want to maybe 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.440 take an extra air tank or something like that. Maybe 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.640 people do it, but I don't think that these are 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.599 the kind of people who do it, right. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.159 so maybe they can call in the U. S. Navy. 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:25.640 The U. S. Navy does all can they have people 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.120 that do all kinds of stuff like that, So then 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:29.800 they should call them the U. S. Navy and the 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:35.159 investigating they probably have. Yeah, let those guys deal with it. Yeah, 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:38.200 so what else besides the perfect perfect circle, they found 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:43.800 another allegedly round hole about two ms wide. And what's 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:45.800 interesting about this is it's in the bottom of a 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.760 square depression. It's a square box like depression in the anomaly. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.800 And in the middle of that box side depression there's 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.680 just perfectly round circle, which is kind of interesting. And 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.159 how far is that in in the anomaly or is 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.280 this the second one? Now this is in a novel. Yeah, 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.039 and let's see. They also claimed that there is a 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.640 perfectly round hole. Again they're always perfectly round and uh 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.200 in the side of the object about two feet wide, 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.720 so that I imagine that's probably a drain pipe or 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:17.679 some sort probably the Yeah. Yeah, they did find another 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.920 object not too far away, and that object on sonar 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.880 came up looking kind of like a cathedral window. But 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:25.800 I found an interview with one of the guys. It 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.880 was that Peter Lindbergh is one of the guys that 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:31.000 is ocean X and he said that when they went 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:32.800 over to investigate it, it it just turned out to be 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.680 a bunch of boulders. Nothing so nothing special's claiming that 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:41.320 something special. Yeah, now, okay, well that adds a little validity, 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.520 little credibility, right And you although you know it could 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:49.000 be a calculated move, but if you are willing to say, yeah, 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.440 we originally thought it looked like a window, but we 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:55.120 went over and it was just rocks, probably you're not 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.360 at least consciously lying about I think the point you're 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.919 getting at is, as we have talked about before we 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.280 started recording, is that a lot of the story, not 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.560 necessarily by the guys who found it, but it's been 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:14.200 very sensationalized. Yeah, not necessarily, not necessarily by these guys exactly. 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.480 And he actually is that that same interview he said 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.560 that he's he's sure it's going to turn out to 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.120 just be rocks, just be a big rock formation. He 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:26.240 says he's not a believer in UFOs, you know, And 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.120 he says but he at the same time I think 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.200 he is. They are milking it for a little bit 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.880 of publicity, you know, I would, Yeah, I don't blame 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:38.240 him right now. It cracks me up because one of 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.600 the things that I remember reading interview is saying, well, 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:42.960 we need to get funding to go do more research 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.960 on at which point he was imploring people to go 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.800 to their website and by Ocean Team, Ocean X or 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.320 Ocean Next Team, whichever the name is, by gear yea, 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.239 by their gear, their shirts and their jackets, their hoodies, 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.720 and I really you're milking up a little bit, a 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:02.520 little bit, you know. I didn't even check the pricing 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:04.520 on those. Maybe maybe maybe I'll buy a hoodie or 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:09.360 something like that. Yea. By the way, folks, uh, when 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:11.280 you're done listening to us, don't forget to check out 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:19.160 our gift shop we've got on your way out. Yeah, okay, 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.000 So anyway, another interesting interesting thing is that they found 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.120 again as it's not something you're gonna be able to 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.960 see through scuba diving, but apparently the sonar side scanning 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.360 equipment that you showed that there was kind of a 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.960 stretch of ocean or not ocean, but the sea bottom 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.240 there that's kind of almost gouged out, like it's about 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.840 a thousand feet long. They call it the runway. Oh 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.480 I heard I heard a less awesome term. It was 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:49.199 called the skid mark. This skid mark perfect. Yeah that works. Uh, 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.440 I'm pretty sure I didn't just didn't come rocketing down 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.400 plunged through the water and skid to a stop on 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:59.400 the bottom. But maybe it did. So there's the runway, um, 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:01.640 and it's how how big is the runway? It's about 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:03.559 a thousand feet long and about as wide as the 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.840 anomaly is. Okay, so it's pretty big. Then, yeah, it's 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.400 pretty big. Yeah, Okay, So there's some silts on the object. 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.079 When they when they they're divers scraped away the silt, 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:18.840 they said that there was black material underneath, so stranger still. Anyway, 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.040 they didn't have a lot of time that first time, 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:25.480 so they they've gone back since, Like I think that, 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.520 to my knowledge, they have been back four times. That's 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:32.640 what I see. And they recover some rock fragments. I 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.840 don't know that. And this this is again something that's 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.000 a little bit unclear, is that did they actually get 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.600 down there and chip these things off of the anomaly 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.600 itself or were they just loose rocks laying on the anomaly. 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.480 They don't really say. I got the impression that at 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.360 least some of them were picked up from around it. Yeah, 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.120 I don't know that they tried to break and I 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.640 don't know that they could necessarily break something off of 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.400 it easily because osing an r O V, which those 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.880 things aren't strong and have a lot of torsion to 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:00.880 take a big chunk of rock. Yeah, but you do 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.120 run the risk if you're just picking up stuff like 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.679 around it, that it's not going to be the same material. 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.640 That's actually an issue. Yeah yeah, Well go ahead, and 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:12.960 what do you have any of the analysis of what 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.439 the stuff that they picked up was or yeah, they 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.000 had it. They had an analyzed by some scientists who 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.559 said that it contained lamanite and gothite. And that adds 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.160 some fuel to the fire because the guy who did 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.000 the analysis said that these are these are not found 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.199 in nature, and these they would point towards modern construction 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.880 and that aliens or aliens too. Yeah, absolutely so, more 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.240 than modern constructions, super futuristic instruction. So here's the other thing. 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:41.040 One of the rocks that they picked up was volcanic. Yeah, 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:47.080 and there wasn't there hasn't been volcanic activity there in eons. 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.560 So that was another weird thing, wiser chunk of volcanic 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:54.000 rocks sitting here. Yeah. Well, actually there was an explanation 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.800 for that too. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm sure you're gonna 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:00.960 get to glacial glacial activity. Yeah, so apparently that used 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.080 to be home to a glacier, the Baltic Sea, which 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.360 apparently glaciers pick up rocks and carry them a long 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.240 way and eventually when they melt, they you know, drop 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:13.400 those rocks. Glaciers are hoarders, they kick stuff up. Oh no, 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.520 it's true. They're they're all over. There's all kinds of 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.560 facts and accounts of rocks that are completely out of place. 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.000 It's you've seen those weird standing rock formations, like how 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.120 did that rock get on top of the other one? 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.920 And they say that a lot and these are like 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:30.319 the big ones that you see at some of the 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:35.000 national parks and around our country. Is they say that 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.120 a lot of those were part of a glacier and 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.560 they were in different strata of it and as it melted, 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.400 they just settled on top of each other. And you're 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:46.079 telling me, is that Stonehenge was a glacial formation? Yeah? 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.720 Actually that was. That was about a dozen glacial formations. 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:53.040 They all came and butted heads and just were stuck, 0:11:53.200 --> 0:12:03.120 you know, and then they melted. Yeah goodness. Okay, So anyway, um, 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.959 but some other geologists have since said that it's actually 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.160 not unusual to find those things in nature at all. 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.160 That again, we're talking about lemonite and go site. I 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.760 hope I'm pronouncing those correctly. Uh. Some of them said 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:20.800 that nodules no goite. I think it's go Thie or 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.080 Goethe or something like. Okay, I don't know, too lazy 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:27.000 to go out in the weabon, but do so. But 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.280 other geologists has said that these can be These are 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:33.440 actually found in nodules on the seabed, and so it's 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.960 not it's not really anything out of the ordinary. So 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.040 so much for that. They another thing the team has 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.719 said has said, as they said that they're electronic devices, 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.240 stop working like they have they have a satellite phone 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.800 that when they're right over the object they it doesn't work. 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.800 They have to back away from a couple of hundred feet, 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:52.839 didn't They say they had issues with their lights as 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:56.000 well when they were on top the lights and camera 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.800 why the pictures were gross. Not necessarily, but that's why 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.400 they can't get good pictures because their camera wouldn't work. Yeah, 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.160 I've heard I've read accounts where they were saying that 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.720 there's a lot of their equipment was attempting to malfunction 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.560 on them until they got away from it. Well, I mean, 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.560 like the unit they were in didn't just plot to 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.120 the plummet to the bottom and quit working. It was 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:19.840 you had to get away from it. In the sub 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.480 you were saying there was problems, Yeah, which I don't 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.560 know if that's just faulty equipment. Could just be faulty equipment. 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.600 I mean, let's face it, you're at sea, sea water salt. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.800 It's not good for under the ocean. Yeah. Yeah, Well, 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:35.679 they have been able to produce some sonar imaging of 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.079 the object and we can post some of that on 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.720 our website for our listeners to go check out. Check out. 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.840 It's hard to tell what's going on, but kind of 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:49.520 worth the watch. Yeah, and uh, they they've paired up 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:53.400 with a Swedish film crew and they're supposedly we're going 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.400 to make a documentary. And I have not been able 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.080 to actually find any evidence that the Doctor the documentary 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.320 ever actually came about. I read a news story that 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:05.079 had been aired on Estonian TV. So anyway, apparently I 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.480 looked around for any copies on the internet. There were, 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.600 and somebody had posted one on YouTube, but it had 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.559 been taken down because of copyright of course. Yeah, so 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:15.840 that was it was not able to find one of those. 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.920 As far as their sonar imaging goes, that has been 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.520 critiqued by some experts. A guy I think Wood's whole 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:26.480 Institute pointed looked at it and pointed out that number one, 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.200 side scanning sonar is not really the best way to 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.560 image things on the bottom of the ocean. You can 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.480 find stuff, but you're not exactly getting a real picture 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.720 of it. And he said that looking at that, it 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.160 looked like they hadn't calibrated it properly and looked like 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.960 it was kind of a little quality equipment. There are 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.560 a lot of echoes and other artifacts in it, and 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:47.560 so when you see things that look like straight lines 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.200 and stuff like that, now it's probably just an artifact 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:55.120 of your electronics and not not not it's not necessarily 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.000 doesn't show mean this thing was man made. It's just 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.760 something introduced by your by your equipment. Didn't They say 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:04.359 that the same thing about some of the dark areas 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:08.240 that are shown on on those side scans, Because this 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.480 is this is what raged around the internet at first 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:14.840 is oh, it looks like the millennium fat It kind 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:18.560 of does, but then it's got these weird dark lines 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.800 across the top and you can't tell what's going on, 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.400 which you know, it makes it look like maybe those 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.000 are deep cracks or something. And he was saying that 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.720 that's also not the same issue because they're kind of straight, 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.640 but they shouldn't be dark like that. So I'm not 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.920 and I'm not really an expert on side scanning sonar. 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.040 I don't know exactly how it works, and I'm kind 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.800 of assuming that it takes slices of a picture, so 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.480 what you're seeing and that is probably a reconstruction of 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:49.600 a lot of a lot of blips. I read that 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:54.160 the side scanning sonar is not just one, but it's 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:58.080 two that are then fed in to a computer that 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:03.360 then assembles. It's not calibrated exactly, so they should both be, 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:08.560 let's say, pointing exactly straight down, but they're off kilter 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:12.000 a little bit towards her away or probably towards each other, 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:15.000 which is what's causing the echoes, because the front one 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.440 is picking up stuff from what the rear ones throwing 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:21.080 and vice versa. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.560 that this is probably not the highest quality center, because 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:26.800 you know, even Peter Lindbergh themselves said that they were 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.360 having trouble with their stabilization of the gear, and there's 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.480 there's those things they're supposed to have stay like like 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.840 gyros or whatever, and they keep them pointed in the 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.720 proper direction, and apparently there's either was non existent or 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.520 not working that well. So so and so, you know, 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.200 as far as looking at this same thing and saying, wow, 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.080 that's a picture of it, well not really. It's kind 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:51.560 of like looking at ultrasound. I mean, I've looked at 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.680 people's ultrasounds of their unborn children, and they're gonna look 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:56.080 at this, and I look at it, I'm like, I 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:59.440 can't see anything, or like I can kind of see 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:03.880 the curve ahead. That also could just be like who 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:07.359 knows what, you know, like could be some undigested food, 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.040 you know, you know it's yeah, I don't have a clue. Yeah. Yeah. 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.280 So that's kind of the way side's getting sonar is 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.680 just that doesn't really give you a clear picture. So anyway, 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:21.680 the the imaging has been severely critiqued and and it's 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.199 been said to not really be accurately reliable as far 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.919 as telling us what's down there. Anyway. I meanwhile, you know, 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:30.840 I'm not really sure if they've actually acquired just an 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.720 up at ocean access, like I was talking about acquiring 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.280 a tour submarine, because you can buy those things. You 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:37.800 know that they're the ones that are they have all 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.720 the big domes, glass domes and signs in the front, 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.679 so and so people can buy tickets and ride in 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:45.600 this thing and look at the domes and they can 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.520 take them to view the anomaly. And they have pictures 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.360 of the submarine on their website and they have pictures 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:52.840 of them in it. But I didn't know if they 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:57.000 actually were just checking it out. I was wondering, Yeah, 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.280 did you guys buy this or you just at the 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:05.000 at the carl A sublot. So I guess one of 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.720 my biggest questions about this whole thing is like, why 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.280 haven't other people gone and checked it out? You know, 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.720 people with better equipment. There are a lot of people 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:17.120 right who are really interested in deep sea anomalies like this, 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.840 who have really good equipment and go and explore a 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.360 lot of deep sea things. So like, why haven't any 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.520 of those taken interest in this? And like Jacques Cousto, 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:31.320 But I mean, you know, that's I guess that's like 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.119 a big question mark in my head is like, I 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:36.879 think just these guys. Yeah, I think these guys are 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:40.000 keeping it and they're keeping the exact locations secret. Yeah 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.240 so yeah, yeah they haven't. They haven't disclosed where it's 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:50.040 at yet. Yeah, it's somewhere between Finland and Sweden. That's 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:54.840 not super helpful. Yeah, so guess yeah, it's just a 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.359 detriment to them, right because if they could get other 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.600 people in here to like explore it, they could have 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.920 access to better equipment. Yeah, it could understand what's actually 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.320 going on down there. But their salvage operators, so they 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.560 they practice the art of mom's the word until I 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.200 can guarantee I know what it is and then hauling 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.159 up or make some money. Yeah. So yeah, they're not 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:18.320 gonna like you, but yeah, I would think they could 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:20.800 at least find some investors or find a partner somebody 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:22.800 that somebody with more money and better equipment. That would 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.000 you know, there are a lot of people out there. 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:29.520 Yeahbody's gotta be Yeah. Gates just asked him for some money. 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:33.320 Absolutely my email he's given her away all the time. Yeah, 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:35.679 yeah he does. I know. I've sent him like thousands 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.399 of emails demanding money. All I got was a season 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:47.119 desist or okay, but anyway, so the this, so this 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.240 kind of activity in their part has caused some people 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:52.800 to suspect their motives and this whole thing. And they 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.440 and they're benefiting from keeping this thing as mysterious as possible. 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:58.560 So because they're making money off they're probably I don't 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:00.159 know how much money they're selling on their have a 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.560 stuff they're selling on their website, but I imagine they're 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.879 selling some stuff. And if they can actually go a 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.040 bunch of wealthy people into buying tickets for the little 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.159 submarine tour to go see the anomaly, and that'll be 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.280 a nice little money maker for him. And obviously the 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.000 best thing for them has gotten them simple this publicity 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.160 and so nobody ever heard of them before, and now 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.359 apparently they say that they have been they have actually 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:24.720 signed some sort of a deal with some Panamanian Indians 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:28.159 who have exclusive rights to this area off the Panamanian coast. 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:31.560 Their ship there, yeah, and their shipwrecks out there apparently 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:36.200 like from you know, chips coming from South America and 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:39.520 curbing ownds whatever you know, and obviously loaded with lots 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:43.920 of gold and stuff like that. So there's probably all. Yeah. 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.720 So you know, if they if that actually is true 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:48.359 and if that pans out for those guys, and that 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.040 could that could make them lots of money. And maybe 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:51.720 at that point they'll just say, Okay, here's what the 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:55.160 anomaly is. We don't care anymore. Yeah, here's the latitude 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:58.960 and longitude. Yeah. So anyway, other people that have put 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:00.880 towards some other theory. I mean, we've got we talked 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:03.280 about the UFO theory that are out there so far, 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:05.720 there's about four of them. One is that, of course 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:10.199 it's the UFO. Another another theory is that it's a 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:13.399 turret from an old battleship. And I don't know that 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:16.359 any turret was ever made that was that big, so 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.359 I don't I don't really shape. Yeah, I was going 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:23.480 to say the shape is wrong to me to be turret. Yeah, 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.520 plus would have bigger holes in it. Yeah. This is 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.119