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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways, I don't know, just stories of things we

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Speaker 1: simply don't know the answer too. Well, Hi there, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe and joined us always

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Speaker 1: by Devin and Steve. All right, then we're here to

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Speaker 1: solve you have another mystery? Every time, never just talking

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Speaker 1: about informing. There's no point in just talking about. We've

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Speaker 1: got to solve it. So that's what we're gonna do, alright.

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Speaker 1: So okay, so in this episode, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about something some of you may have heard about. It's

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Speaker 1: called the Baltic Sea anomaly. So here's what happened in

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Speaker 1: the real brief overview. There's a team of Swedish divers

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Speaker 1: who called themselves the Ocean X Team, and they go

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Speaker 1: they got looking for a ship actually the Baltic Sea

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Speaker 1: And so they find ship Rex and they salvage whatever

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Speaker 1: salvaging old alcoholic beverages, beverage containers and things like that.

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Speaker 1: And they found like, what was it champagne or something? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: creates and creates of bottles of this old champagne. It's

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Speaker 1: worth all kinds of money. That's crazy, because at that

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Speaker 1: point it's not good anymore. Right, I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Probably how does it stay good when it's like super

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Speaker 1: pressurized under water but it's cold, that's true. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: the champagne you don't really want to age that long, right,

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Speaker 1: action tell us, it looks like we've got another unsolved

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Speaker 1: I don't know, and I don't know if people buy

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Speaker 1: say I get this really old bottle shipood, I don't know. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So anyways, so they were they were out there scraunging

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Speaker 1: a flying saucer, a really huge flying saucer on the

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Speaker 1: floor of the Baltic Sea. Well, yeah, I mean a

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Speaker 1: we're you know, it was it was a little bit

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Speaker 1: of course, the usual UFO types stuck. Well, flying saucer

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Speaker 1: interesting looking it's kind of kind of like a really

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Speaker 1: there's a dome shaped piece that looks and I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen a complete picture of it because obviously lighting down

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Speaker 1: it's called the meringue, and it looks like it looks

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Speaker 1: very very almost perfectly dome like and round like. It's

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Speaker 1: images that we've got a bad well, they're the quality.

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Speaker 1: The U. S. Navy does all can they have people

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Speaker 1: said that it contained lamanite and gothite. And that adds

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Speaker 1: and that aliens or aliens too. Yeah, absolutely so, more

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Speaker 1: which is that is the base of a World War

425
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: two era Nazi anti submarine warfare structure or device, and

426
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: I kind of like that theory. Actually I didn't get this,

427
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: I didn't need it. Well, you know. So the idea

428
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 1: is is that they would build of this concrete and

429
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 1: steel structure and it would have wire mesh, and somehow

430
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: the wire mesh in this it's a it's a little vague.

431
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: The scriptures ever, with the wire mesh would would spook

432
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: submarine's radar systems and cause it to lose its variance

433
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: and crash. And that confuses me. I don't know what

434
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: the guy is talking about, because submarines don't you generally

435
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: use radar. When I read it, When I was reading

436
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: this theory, what I got from it was remember how

437
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 1: we talked about they said that they had issues with

438
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 1: their equipment when they were near it. Yeah, exactly. And

439
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: what I understood it to be was more of it

440
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: was throwing out some kind of field. I don't know

441
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: what kind of field that would be that was gonna

442
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: mess with it. Not just mess up at sonar and

443
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: and tell it it's at the wrong depth of or angle,

444
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: but more it would really screw everything up and then

445
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: kind of like their sat phone, things would just stop

446
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: working and then they would sink to the bottom and

447
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: be done. It couldn't matter that it could mess with

448
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: sonar and some way that it would send back kind

449
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: of like blips are like anomalous blips or something like that. Yeah. Yeah,

450
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: the you know, the problem I've had with this is

451
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: what I've been reading accounts by journalists who obviously don't

452
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: know anything about the submarine submarine warfare, and the description

453
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: of exactly how this messed with the submarines is still

454
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: kind of beyond me because it interferes with their radar,

455
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: while submarines still generally use active radar because it gives

456
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: away their position. Uh yeah, this on a previous joke. Yeah,

457
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: so you know, yeah, yes, they're coof Also, the Nazis

458
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: were pretty scrupulous about keeping records and and there would

459
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: be something in the history books about this if they

460
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: had built some enormous structure at the bottom of the

461
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: Baltic Sea, I mean we would know, we would know

462
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: about it. But Joe, we don't know about I mean,

463
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: they didn't keep records about the fact that they are

464
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: now living in the center of the earth. The Nazis

465
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: are Oh yeah, that's a good point. They're in the

466
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: middle of the Earth. The lizard people. Yeah, they are well,

467
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: because you know the earth is hollow. Yeah, they were

468
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: pretty careful and their way off the door to destroy

469
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: stuff like that that would give away their position. Yeah.

470
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: But you know, so as far as the Baltics Sea anomaly,

471
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: I don't think they would have cared about that. That's

472
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: when there they want. They're wanting to grab all their

473
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: valuables and just head down and join the what people

474
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: are they? The lizard people? Yeah? Okay, yeah, so parties

475
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: throw a wicked, heinous Yeah, okay. So I would have

476
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: to say that unless there's some some some major disclosure,

477
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,479
Speaker 1: some story and comes across some evidence of them building

478
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: something like this two feet down in the Baltic Sea,

479
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,479
Speaker 1: I have to say that this is not a credible theory. Well,

480
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: I guess the Yeah. The other thing that comes upright

481
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: is how did they build it that deep? Right? Would

482
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: They probably would have built it on land and then

483
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: and then take it out there and draw. Yeah, that's

484
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: the only thing I can think of it because they

485
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't been able to. Yeah, and it's conceivable that they

486
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: could have done something like that. That That would be a

487
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: major project. I mean, like, how would you float something

488
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: that huge and heavy out to the middle of the

489
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: Baltic Sea and drop it. Yeah, that's a little weird.

490
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: And I swear I read something when in an accounting

491
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: that was saying that this was similar to I think

492
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: it was on this story. I've been reading a lot

493
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: of stuff lately, but something about the Brits were doing

494
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 1: something similar to to mess with U boats around England,

495
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: and so they would put things out there and they

496
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: would mess with them, but their ships, of course knew

497
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: the proper path to get through, but it was a deterrence.

498
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: It was almost like, uh, gosh, I can't think of

499
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: the Star Wars is the only thing I can think of,

500
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: Like the Star Wars program that we were going to

501
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: do in the eighties with Reagan, something like that, whereas

502
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: a bunch of beams of something in the ocean, but

503
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: it somehow messed them up. But I couldn't find a

504
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: core lay shouldn't and make it sync up, so I didn't.

505
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: I couldn't follow it. How big a problem were submarines

506
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: in the Baltic Sea or you know, I mean, like

507
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: worth that kind of investment to like maybe kind of

508
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: mess with them. Yeah, maybe, because I mean the Soviets

509
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: they have a Baltic sea fleet. Yeah, and so yeah,

510
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: and so they they would have been sending submarines to

511
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 1: the Baltic all the time. So yeah, so it might

512
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: have been worth their investment. But it just seems like

513
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,719
Speaker 1: kind of I had no idea how this supposed thing

514
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: was supposed to work. Usually anti submarine defenses tend to

515
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: tend to be more like things like nets and cables

516
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Maybe it was supposed to be

517
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: like a net would be there and then the submarine

518
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: would be coming along and would trigger something, and they

519
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 1: would let the net up and the trigger and the

520
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: summarine and be like, oh no, but it's too lush,

521
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: and then they would like pull the net back in

522
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: and it would be like released for the next one.

523
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: But I like it. So when if they cracked the

524
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: thing up and what they're going to find is a

525
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: whole bunch of Soviet subs in their rusting Soviet I

526
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: like it. This sounds very much like every bad movie

527
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: I've watched where they're running along and then the nets

528
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 1: scoops them up. That's what that's akin to to me.

529
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: It was the Nazis, and they did some crazy Yeah,

530
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: they they had some ideas that were really bad. They

531
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: had very unique ideas. I will so you have accepted

532
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: that they are living underneath us. Oh yeah, Oh no,

533
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: because I don't believe in the lizard people, so therefore

534
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: they can't be living with lizards. Certainly there it's just hollow.

535
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: We all know this. But uh, and I said, you

536
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: had another theory, which is that this is the drain

537
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: plug of the world. I mean, and so if we

538
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: pop that that, we're just draining the oceans and we'll

539
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: have so much more land to work with. Okay, I

540
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: made that one up. No, I'm actually somebody actually said that. Yeah,

541
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, it could be the drain plug. I guess

542
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: what they needed. Yeah, if they go back and look

543
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: there's it's probably a little chain attached to the center

544
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: of that thing and they just need to pull on that.

545
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: Favorite theories so far. Okay, so let's let's cut down

546
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: the theories one more time. Okay, we've got UFO, the

547
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: anti submarine warfare structure or slash device, the turret from

548
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: an old battleship, rock outcropping train plug of the world

549
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: says five theories, which what are you guys voting for? Devon?

550
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: I like drain plug of the world, okay, yeah, or

551
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: Nazi like Venus fly trap net situation okay, Okay. Personally,

552
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: I think that I'm going more with the rock outcropping,

553
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: just because it was known that there's We do know

554
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: that there was big honking glaciers in that area a

555
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: long long time ago and drag They were known to

556
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: drag stones around, which to me would explain the runway. Yeah,

557
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: is if if it is on the bottom of of

558
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: a glacier and it's being drug along with the glacier

559
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: until it finally breaks free and it's really burrowed its

560
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: way in there, that would make sense to me maybe, yeah,

561
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: something like that. It's possibility, and that you know, if

562
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: it was being drug along, it was probably being drug

563
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: along for a really really long time, right, so that

564
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: would kind of explain its round shape that had been

565
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: worn into, and then the glacier would have been scraping

566
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: across the top of it once it let go of it,

567
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: so that might explain part of its dome shape. I mean,

568
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: this is me spitball in here, but that's the only

569
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: thing that I can come up with. It makes sense, yeah, yeah, fact. Yeah.

570
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: The fact is is that you know nature produces all

571
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: sorts of interesting objects all the time. That seemed incredible,

572
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: But you know it's totally nature. Yeah, it's totally nature.

573
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: It's just rand. I'm kind of between rock out cropping

574
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: and train plug. Yeah, but I'm gonna have to flip

575
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: a coin here and flip think. Yeah, that's sound lazy.

576
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: I am. I'm too lazy to get up and go

577
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: find a quarter. Yeah, Okay, it's a rock out cropping.

578
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,040
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00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,960
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580
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581
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