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Speaker 1: It is Sunday, August twelve, twenty eighteen, Season fourteen, episode
Speaker 1: number twenty five. Welcome to the most anticipated hour of
Speaker 1: your day. We hope the Break. I am Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: I got my normal crew here with me, Nick Eatman,
Speaker 1: Amber Garcia, David Hellman. We appreciate you guys taking some
Speaker 1: time with us to talk some time with radio down.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you Amber for welcoming. Nick. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Because your stuff's going on here, just
Speaker 1: like you would tell you turn your radio down. I'm
Speaker 1: paying attention to our Actually, we had an update this
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Speaker 1: the fan posts, what we'll put up, the poll questions
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Speaker 1: whether you like it or dislike, you can vote as
Speaker 1: many times as you like. But our fan question for
Speaker 1: today is who impressed the most in the preseason game.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a lot about that game. We're gonna
Speaker 1: dive into all the details and hear from these guys
Speaker 1: what they liked, what they saw that they liked, what
Speaker 1: they didn't like coming out of that game, and there
Speaker 1: were lots of things to to really like. Cowboys lose
Speaker 1: the game, but certainly there were a lot of things
Speaker 1: that you could like if you were watching that game
Speaker 1: from from the perspective of what a preseason game really is.
Speaker 1: Let's start first, though, with a little bit of news.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory yesterday returns to practice. He's out there with
Speaker 1: the team yesterday in pads. Talk to me about what
Speaker 1: he was able to do yesterday and what you think
Speaker 1: he'll be able to do. I guess over the next
Speaker 1: week before they break camp on Friday. He was able
Speaker 1: to go through some pass rrestrials with the dummies. That's
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, that's progress. It is progress. It's something
Speaker 1: that resembles football, which is great for him, and it's
Speaker 1: a step in the right direction. It's not overly exciting.
Speaker 1: He basically did you know he did the defensive endrills
Speaker 1: that they do before every single practice. Honestly, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it means going forward, because you know,
Speaker 1: it's been we've been out here for like twenty days,
Speaker 1: I think, and this is his first time getting involved,
Speaker 1: and so I wonder how much more he's going to
Speaker 1: do between now and what. I mean, the last practice
Speaker 1: is probably Thursday, and it's probably not even gonna be
Speaker 1: a real deal practice. So I think this is gonna
Speaker 1: be slow and steady, Like, I don't know that he's
Speaker 1: going to do a whole lot more than that until
Speaker 1: we get back from Oxnard. You'll still think there's a chance,
Speaker 1: And I'll pose this question, Nick, do you still think
Speaker 1: there's a chance that he's actually ready to play by
Speaker 1: week one or do you think this is something where
Speaker 1: maybe he's ready to play by mid season. M oh
Speaker 1: if he better be ready to play faster than mid season.
Speaker 1: If they're going to carry him on the fifty three
Speaker 1: and they're going to a week one, you think he's
Speaker 1: ready to play week one. I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: ready to play, but I think he puts a uniform on,
Speaker 1: he wears number ninety four, and he gets out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, could he be inactive. I guess for a
Speaker 1: few weeks he could be yeah, yeah, sorry, when do
Speaker 1: you want me to answer this? My bad? I think
Speaker 1: that I think he does. I mean, I do think
Speaker 1: that he will play Week one. I think he's gonna play.
Speaker 1: I think they've waited on him for two years pretty much,
Speaker 1: and he needs to get himself now. It's on him.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that they can say how they
Speaker 1: want to but ease it into the situation. But it's
Speaker 1: on him to say, all right, you've got to get
Speaker 1: yourself to the point where you can play even at
Speaker 1: an eight to ten snap, you know, just somewhere where
Speaker 1: you can contribute. I think that he will be ready.
Speaker 1: He may not be as ready as he you know,
Speaker 1: as he could be. But we've seen with Dan Bailey,
Speaker 1: we've seen with Jalen Smith. They put guys out there
Speaker 1: when they're not ready. That's the NFL. You have to
Speaker 1: do that. I think Gregory has to play if he's
Speaker 1: anywhere close to being ready. One other guy that showed
Speaker 1: up yesterday with Sean Lee, he has although he's been
Speaker 1: out here. He hasn't really been allowed to practice. What
Speaker 1: do you see from him yesterday? What was he able
Speaker 1: to do and not do? I guess at this point
Speaker 1: he is basically one of those guys. And we always
Speaker 1: talked about him how he's always ready. I mean, you
Speaker 1: throw him in there and he just looks great, and
Speaker 1: he was able to move around just like he has
Speaker 1: been practicing. I mean, it looks like a guy that
Speaker 1: has been practicing every single day. He doesn't need all that,
Speaker 1: and people want to come about him on social media.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, we have to protection on Leah. He's
Speaker 1: so weak, blah blah. No he yes, he has those
Speaker 1: injuries whatever, but he is not weak. He's super strong.
Speaker 1: And I'm just laughing. I didn't know Twitter sounded like that,
Speaker 1: but it does. I guess it does sound that way.
Speaker 1: Well when I read it, Yeah, that's what she puts
Speaker 1: at the front of it. Anyways, he's looking great. He
Speaker 1: doesn't need the extra practice, and yesterday he showed that.
Speaker 1: I mean, two weeks into the training camp and he
Speaker 1: looks like bad. He's awesome. All right, let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and flip over to the game. Like I said before,
Speaker 1: I think although the Cowboys lost twenty four twenty one.
Speaker 1: If you're watching preseason, as you should, from the standpoint
Speaker 1: of how did the players look, how did the first
Speaker 1: team look, first team offense and defense? There were lots
Speaker 1: of things to come out of that game feeling very
Speaker 1: positive about. And I think we have to start with
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. He played one series. He was three or
Speaker 1: three for thirty nine yards, had a touchdown pass, And
Speaker 1: I thought the most impressive thing was a touchdown pass.
Speaker 1: Was what we had been talking about out here that
Speaker 1: he wasn't doing quite as well, which is being able
Speaker 1: to connect on those throws down feel this was a
Speaker 1: traditional nine route, great route in my opinion by Michael Gallop.
Speaker 1: But I want to hear from you guys from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of what you saw in that game and what
Speaker 1: you've seen out here. How do you make the two
Speaker 1: mesh up From the standpoint of him just you know,
Speaker 1: he hadn't been great, I hear all the time, but
Speaker 1: looked really, really crisp and looked really good in the game. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it looked exactly like twenty sixteen in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. He didn't look that great in practice.
Speaker 1: The lights come on, he goes out marches them right
Speaker 1: down the field, and he did it very in a
Speaker 1: methodical way. They have total control of the game. Then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden the fourth quarter they lose exactly
Speaker 1: like they did in the Rams. He looked it looked
Speaker 1: very similar to that game. But from a perspective, I
Speaker 1: thought he did a really nice job of just kind
Speaker 1: of getting first downs and moving along and then scoring
Speaker 1: with a big touchdown. My favorite thing about the entire
Speaker 1: thing was yesterday's practice. When we got back out here,
Speaker 1: he looked bad again. He was he couldn't eat. He
Speaker 1: missed on about three long throws he had Michael Gallop
Speaker 1: and team drills. He had a couple of balls that
Speaker 1: should have been long games that he just put He
Speaker 1: led his receiver a little too much, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, that's you man. Do you deck because it
Speaker 1: looked good when the lights were on. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: that any friends that cover and like in the SEC
Speaker 1: that cover Mississippi State, not really No. I just wonder
Speaker 1: if you went back there and they were like, he
Speaker 1: was horrible at practice, the spring game run in the
Speaker 1: white game, he was bad. The bummer with that is
Speaker 1: like college football is such a mystery, Like they don't
Speaker 1: open their practices for anybody, so I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it's certainly the case in the NFL. Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: he looked fantastic out there the other night. It looked
Speaker 1: exactly like you wanted to look. They didn't even have Zeke,
Speaker 1: it didn't matter, picked up a crucial third down, the
Speaker 1: touchdown pass was beautiful, and then he comes back out
Speaker 1: here and it's just like ye kind of herky jerky
Speaker 1: AND's just it is what it is. And to our credit,
Speaker 1: if you rewind the tape back before the game, I
Speaker 1: think we all said the same thing, where like, it
Speaker 1: doesn't look very good, I'm not worried about it, and
Speaker 1: that's how I feel. That's how I felt before. It's
Speaker 1: definitely how I feel after. Let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: bout Cooper Rush, who I think had a great game
Speaker 1: as well. He was fifteen to twenty three hundred and
Speaker 1: forty five yards a touchdown, ninety seven point two passer rating.
Speaker 1: That's a good stat line for a guy playing a
Speaker 1: significant amount of time. Just thinking about Cooper Rushing kind
Speaker 1: of where he fits on this team, do you guys
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with him being your primary backup. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of experience, but he seems to be
Speaker 1: getting every year, getting a little bit better. He's shown
Speaker 1: some things last year. He shown a few flashes in
Speaker 1: the first preseason games year. How do you feel about
Speaker 1: him as your primary backup? Not very good? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never seen him do anything but
Speaker 1: play in the preseason. Honestly, I don't want to nitpick,
Speaker 1: because he wound up playing a pretty good game, But
Speaker 1: in the when he first came in, arguably when he
Speaker 1: was playing a better San Francisco defense, I don't think
Speaker 1: he looked that great. He got better as the game
Speaker 1: war on, and if you want to be cynical, maybe
Speaker 1: as the talent level on the defense dropped off a
Speaker 1: little bit. We talked about this. I don't think you
Speaker 1: were here, but you know, me and Nick both agree
Speaker 1: that it would be nice to have a more veteran quarterback,
Speaker 1: even if he's not your backup, just a veteran in
Speaker 1: the room who's done there and played some games. I
Speaker 1: don't know how you can feel good about a guy
Speaker 1: who's never done it better that I mean. To me,
Speaker 1: I would think what I see, he's better than those
Speaker 1: veteran guys that you've had as backups in the past.
Speaker 1: Is like, who are you talking about? Kellen Moore? Definitely
Speaker 1: better than Kellen Moore now his coach. Yes, okay, I'll
Speaker 1: give you Matt Castle, Brandon Wheedon. No, I don't think
Speaker 1: so really better player. You're saying it's Cooper Rush better
Speaker 1: than Matt Castle and Brandon Wheedon. It's hard to know
Speaker 1: because it is hard to know. But for example, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean at the game, and we've talked about this, Nick,
Speaker 1: you know, he does not look good. He doesn't look
Speaker 1: good Cooper Rush on the field, he doesn't look good.
Speaker 1: It's not a game game, but he's able to get
Speaker 1: the job done and he was able to move down
Speaker 1: the offense. Right. I agree with you there. If you
Speaker 1: had to play a game, it's probably not going to
Speaker 1: look that much different. But for what I want that
Speaker 1: guy to do the majority of his time is to
Speaker 1: be an extra set of I for Dak and be
Speaker 1: some experience. And he hasn't. He hasn't played any at all.
Speaker 1: He's never started a game, and then his quarterback coach
Speaker 1: has only started six. So, as we've said before, somebody
Speaker 1: in the room, okay, okay, But for example, Mark Sanchez,
Speaker 1: he brought the experience with him and when we know
Speaker 1: how much he helped Dak Yeah, off the field, but
Speaker 1: when it was time for Mark to get on the field,
Speaker 1: I mean it was horrible. So yes, I get that,
Speaker 1: but that's where the coaching comes from. That's what the
Speaker 1: coaching should be able to do. But when you throw
Speaker 1: in the backup in the field, I mean he should
Speaker 1: be able to perform as well. And the veteran guys
Speaker 1: that they've gone into the field, I mean, they haven't
Speaker 1: showed that much better. I agree with you there, I
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush. It's not his fault. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: he hasn't asked to be you know, he signed with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. He's done everything they've asked him to do.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, at some point, I think that
Speaker 1: there needs to be a veteran presence. Maybe it's a
Speaker 1: third quarterback. He's inactive all the time, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: he is a third quarterback. He's at fourteen years he's
Speaker 1: in act if he wears a ball cap, he does,
Speaker 1: he's not going to play in the game, but he's
Speaker 1: sitting there on the sidelines and he can help that's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. And that doesn't no, no, yeah, and
Speaker 1: a linebacker out of a job, I mean, not somebody
Speaker 1: out of a job tied in maybe well, I mean, well,
Speaker 1: it's tricky too, because this is a conversation I keep having,
Speaker 1: which is this team's keeping three quarterbacks and Mike White's
Speaker 1: gonna be one of them, I feel like, so it
Speaker 1: makes it kind of tricky to keep a veteran when
Speaker 1: you have that much commitment to youth. Which and I'm
Speaker 1: not hating on Cooper Rush. He's done, like Nick said,
Speaker 1: he's done everything they've asked him to. But it's hard
Speaker 1: for me when you say comfortable, it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to feel comfortable with a guy who's never started in
Speaker 1: an NFL game. Yeah, And what I what I don't
Speaker 1: like is kind of what all of you guys are saying,
Speaker 1: is just the overall experience in the room. Like it
Speaker 1: would be one thing if you still had Wade Wilson
Speaker 1: as your quarterbacks coach, then having three young quarterbacks, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, it's not a huge deal because you got
Speaker 1: a ton of experience there to be able to to
Speaker 1: give to those young guys. But now you got Kelly Moore,
Speaker 1: who's a young guy coaching those guys, and a room
Speaker 1: full of inexperienced guys. I mean, Dak has a lot
Speaker 1: of experience for second year player, but he still is
Speaker 1: a guy going into his third year in the NFL,
Speaker 1: So there's not a ton of experience in that room.
Speaker 1: I think that can be somewhat of an issue. And
Speaker 1: if you're gonna have a third quarterback, I think I'd
Speaker 1: like it to be a more veteran guy. But I
Speaker 1: probably think that. I mean, I think that they might
Speaker 1: like Mike White and they feel like they probably have
Speaker 1: to have him on the roster if they like him,
Speaker 1: and like what his potential is down the road. I mean,
Speaker 1: just little things like week one at Carolina, you're, you know,
Speaker 1: the pre preparing for the week of Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: where's the play clock and the crowd noise and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and you know, it's like little
Speaker 1: things of like, so where's the locker room, man? Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore's like, I don't know. I mean I've never been there.
Speaker 1: I never started that game, you know, and okay, Coop
Speaker 1: Russia definitely doesn't know. Mike White doesn't know anything. You know.
Speaker 1: Dad's like yeah, I haven't even played here either. I
Speaker 1: mean just little things like that. Yeah, you figure it out.
Speaker 1: I get it. But it's just like, at some point
Speaker 1: you'd like somebody to be like, well, back at you know,
Speaker 1: back in my day when when we played at Soldier
Speaker 1: Field or something. You know, a guy that says, actually
Speaker 1: has a little experience, just know when we're going into
Speaker 1: this end zone, the wind does this little funny thing,
Speaker 1: like if there are little things that you could probably
Speaker 1: pick up from as a veteran that this group will
Speaker 1: not have the benefit that. Now. You also have to
Speaker 1: remember the head coach played quarterback in NFL for a
Speaker 1: very long time, so maybe he lends some of that
Speaker 1: to that room because he knows he has to because
Speaker 1: it's not there right now. Who knows, but he does
Speaker 1: have that experience that he can lend. I think that
Speaker 1: might help. Let's talk about another position that we've talked
Speaker 1: a lot about during training camp. We haven't always said
Speaker 1: very glowing things about him, but I thought they played
Speaker 1: pretty well the tight ends day. Give me your assessment
Speaker 1: on what you thought of the tight ends in this game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've thought it was a little bit of a mixed bag. Honestly,
Speaker 1: you go back and watch, like, you know, we've given
Speaker 1: all of them grief to some degree. But Dalton Schultz,
Speaker 1: he had some nice blocks there at the start of
Speaker 1: the game when he was working with the first team,
Speaker 1: just drove his man right downfield, kind of got bullied
Speaker 1: a little bit on the goal line, which we've seen
Speaker 1: out here. I think Blake Jarwin had the first catch
Speaker 1: of the game, did he not? So Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought I thought they played well for the most part.
Speaker 1: I know people are upset that Rico only got like
Speaker 1: sixteen snaps, I think, but I think for the most part,
Speaker 1: the guys that I'm looking at to contribute to the
Speaker 1: you know, the first team offense, I thought played pretty
Speaker 1: well for the most part. I thought. One of the
Speaker 1: things that was most telling is we talked about what
Speaker 1: are they gonna do. Are they gonna stick with playing
Speaker 1: twelve personnel as much as they usually do. Are they
Speaker 1: gonna maybe when they go to thirteen personnel when they
Speaker 1: need that bigger lineup. Are they gonna bring an offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: They did that early in the game, and with the
Speaker 1: first team they did some twelve personnel, they did some
Speaker 1: thirteen personnel, and all those situations they had tight ends
Speaker 1: on the field, and as Dave said, they actually played
Speaker 1: pretty well. And it does and I'll get your opinions
Speaker 1: on it. I think it signals that they don't necessarily
Speaker 1: think they have to change what they've been doing over
Speaker 1: the last few years. From the standpoint of how they
Speaker 1: deploy their tight ends. It seems like, again this is
Speaker 1: just preseason, but it seems like they may be very
Speaker 1: willing put those guys out there in those situations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if Swain's gonna, you know, kick out and have
Speaker 1: some nice blocks that like he did, nobody's gonna really
Speaker 1: pancake anyone from the tight end position. Norton and then
Speaker 1: they haven't in the last few years. I mean, not
Speaker 1: that Jason Witten has always been a getting the way blocker.
Speaker 1: He's been good at it. You know, he probably would
Speaker 1: take offense to that, but he's been a very good,
Speaker 1: getting the way type of blocker with the technique and
Speaker 1: all that. And now Martellis Bennett was really really good.
Speaker 1: He was a really good blocker there. That's the last
Speaker 1: I think, great blocking tight end that they've had. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they're gonna go out and try to
Speaker 1: get one of those they're gonna say, all right, let's
Speaker 1: work on the technique. We've got a good coach in here.
Speaker 1: Let's just try to make sure that we were sound
Speaker 1: and what we do. And yeah, I don't think that
Speaker 1: they change anything. I'm curious because if I had to guess,
Speaker 1: knowing this coaching staff the way we do, you're probably right.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna change up a whole lot. But the
Speaker 1: other thing is, that's what preseasons four is seeing what
Speaker 1: you have. So you throw those guys out there and
Speaker 1: see if they can do it. Hopefully they're encouraged by
Speaker 1: what they saw and they give it another look in
Speaker 1: the next game and so on. But if they, you know,
Speaker 1: they trot those guys out there in the preseason and
Speaker 1: it's a disaster, maybe that informs their decision making as
Speaker 1: the season gets closer. Have you, guys, after that game,
Speaker 1: have you come to any any more of a conclusion
Speaker 1: on which tight end you think will separate themselves, who
Speaker 1: becomes a starter, Who are the guys that probably going
Speaker 1: to be kept on this team. Should fans read anything
Speaker 1: into the fact that Rico wasn't out there when they
Speaker 1: were running out three tight ends there early in the game,
Speaker 1: what were your just general overall look at the tight
Speaker 1: end position coming out of that game, I think what
Speaker 1: they they obviously want it to go a certain way,
Speaker 1: and that's how they put it out there, and nothing
Speaker 1: changed from that. They want Swam to be the guy.
Speaker 1: They want Jarwin to also be involved. They want Shultz
Speaker 1: to have a role because he needs to make the team.
Speaker 1: And maybe they don't want Ricos catching a touchdown in
Speaker 1: the first two weeks of preseason and then causing up
Speaker 1: a big stir on everything, so they kind of kept
Speaker 1: him back. Okay, bug, Yeah, why all right, We're gonna
Speaker 1: take our first break. When we come back, I do
Speaker 1: want to talk some more about the offense. We'll get
Speaker 1: into the running backs, offensive line, and wide receivers, and
Speaker 1: then we'll fall over to the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: where there were also some very very good things that
Speaker 1: we saw, particularly at the linebacker position. We'll do that
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Speaker 1: Fast to the Break Welcome Back. It is the second
Speaker 1: segment of The Break live from Oxnard, California. It is
Speaker 1: the final week of training camp here out in California,
Speaker 1: we'll be heading back home this Friday, and we'll start
Speaker 1: back up with our shows on Monday. Make sure you
Speaker 1: check the website for details on when the shows will
Speaker 1: happen this week. I don't think we'll have shows on Thursday.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to pack up and get out of here.
Speaker 1: But we should have shows on Monday and Wednesday of
Speaker 1: this week, and then again next week. We'll be back
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Speaker 1: We'll lie from the Star starting up on Monday. All right,
Speaker 1: so let's get back into this. We're talking about the game.
Speaker 1: Cowboys lose. Cowboys have a pretty good game, Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: think Cowboys fans probably feel pretty positive coming out of
Speaker 1: that game. Let's talk a little bit about the running backs.
Speaker 1: We know obviously that Ezekiel Eli and Rod Smith are
Speaker 1: making this team, but then there's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a gray area on who's going to separate themselves as
Speaker 1: the other guys. Talk to me about what you saw
Speaker 1: from the backups, particularly both Scarborough Darius Jackson. You can
Speaker 1: throw in Trey Williams if you like, but talk to
Speaker 1: me about the backups and what you saw in this game,
Speaker 1: and if that cleared up anything in your mind about
Speaker 1: who maybe coming out of that group as possibilities to
Speaker 1: make the team. I don't think there's any gray area
Speaker 1: whatsoever anymore after watching that, and I'm not I don't
Speaker 1: care about bows twenty eight yard run. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was impressive, but just seeing the way they planned that
Speaker 1: game out for bo Scarborough just told me all I
Speaker 1: need to know that they I mean, they want him
Speaker 1: on the team. Not like they have anything against Darius
Speaker 1: Jackson or Trey Williams, but he's their draft pick. He's
Speaker 1: a highly talented kid coming from a big time program,
Speaker 1: and they won him on the team. And again, forget
Speaker 1: the fact that he had a twenty eight yard run.
Speaker 1: He was the first running back end of the game,
Speaker 1: after the starter. He got the majority of the work
Speaker 1: with the better players, and he was all over special teams.
Speaker 1: They were using him as a wing or he was
Speaker 1: on punt team. I believe he was on kick team.
Speaker 1: I think that's right, and that's what we've been saying,
Speaker 1: is he needs to find that role if he's going
Speaker 1: to make the team. While they're doing everything in their
Speaker 1: power to help him find that role. And I just
Speaker 1: I think they would prefer that he win that job,
Speaker 1: and I think he's going to and not like it's
Speaker 1: being handed to him. He's played well, he's played well
Speaker 1: out here, he looked good in the game, and I
Speaker 1: just I would bet on him making the fifty three.
Speaker 1: Talk about a guy like Trey Williams who offers you
Speaker 1: a little something, then maybe what you have in both
Speaker 1: Scarborough what you would have in Darius Jackson as it
Speaker 1: as a little bit of a quick of the equation.
Speaker 1: I mean, they cut him during training camp and then
Speaker 1: sign him back up the next day. So a guy
Speaker 1: that you do that kind of move shows you that
Speaker 1: you're not that interested. And I get that. I'm saying
Speaker 1: as just people observing the team, do you think there
Speaker 1: should be a role for a guy like him because
Speaker 1: he presents a different kind of back than maybe the
Speaker 1: backs that you have pretty good not for him. I
Speaker 1: think he's a camp body, Uh for sure. I think
Speaker 1: Darius Jackson's better than him, and he played he played more. UM.
Speaker 1: I think that they just have they have. UM. You
Speaker 1: want a linebacker to play special teams. Linebackers are great
Speaker 1: on special teams because they're typically pretty fast, and they're
Speaker 1: big and they're strong. And both Scarborough can give you
Speaker 1: a linebacker to play special teams, but he's he's your
Speaker 1: third running back. That's that's the ideal situation there is
Speaker 1: how many third running backs are actually give you that
Speaker 1: type of bodies size for a a special teams guy.
Speaker 1: So he's got to learn how to do it. It's
Speaker 1: not just you know, it's not something you could just
Speaker 1: pick up. But I think it was a good start.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's move on to the wide receiver position again.
Speaker 1: You got guys that you know we're gonna make this
Speaker 1: team Cole Beasley, Terrence Williams, and hearns Um, but you
Speaker 1: also had other guys. Tavon Austin will make the team.
Speaker 1: But he played in the game and played pretty well. Nick,
Speaker 1: I know you wrote in your five things to watch.
Speaker 1: They actually saw him catch some passes going down to
Speaker 1: field a little bit, not eat down the field, but
Speaker 1: just out into the field right enough, just enough to
Speaker 1: make sure comparing him to Lucky Whitehead, right, he's actually
Speaker 1: doing things on this side of the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: which is good because when he goes laterally, it'll only
Speaker 1: make it a little bit more effective. Both of his
Speaker 1: receptions were I would say, at least eight yards down
Speaker 1: the field, if not more. Twelve and thirteen there was
Speaker 1: two for twenty five. Third team is pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not bad. And like you said, I thought it
Speaker 1: was a great point you made that if you get
Speaker 1: him up the field some, then at least the defense
Speaker 1: has to respect the fact that he's not just in
Speaker 1: there to get to get the sweep, the reverse or
Speaker 1: whatever they're going to use him in the backfield to do.
Speaker 1: He's actually can run a route and actually catch some
Speaker 1: passes for your defenses have to respect him in that way,
Speaker 1: and they can't just put a linebacker on him. They
Speaker 1: gotta put somebody to keep up with his speed, which
Speaker 1: I apologize. I don't know who put this on Twitter,
Speaker 1: but you know there's a whole community of people who
Speaker 1: break down games of every team, but obviously the Cowboys too.
Speaker 1: And I think Rod Smith's long run on the first drive,
Speaker 1: Tavon motioned out and you know it was a little fake.
Speaker 1: You know exactly what we talk about, and it just
Speaker 1: shows you what he can do for a run game,
Speaker 1: even if he's not getting the ball. Because San Francisco's
Speaker 1: left end bid on it like nobody's business and just
Speaker 1: took himself out of the play immediately, and it's just
Speaker 1: little stuff like that. I think Rod got something like
Speaker 1: fourteen yards on the carry, and that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: His speed scares people and it can do things for
Speaker 1: your run game. And when they do that, they got
Speaker 1: three options really to run the ball at any given play.
Speaker 1: If they move him in motion like that, they've got
Speaker 1: Zeke or whoever the tailback is, they got him, and
Speaker 1: they also got Prescott, So defenses have to be aware
Speaker 1: there are three different ways and three different guys that
Speaker 1: can get the ball and those kinds of running plays.
Speaker 1: That just diversifies. You give Zeke one extra guy the
Speaker 1: play that may be the difference between a four or
Speaker 1: five yard run and him taking it to the house.
Speaker 1: So I think that's that's huge for the Cowboys. Talk
Speaker 1: about Lance Lenore. He had a touchdown in the game,
Speaker 1: a really nice nice route. Is stat line didn't look great,
Speaker 1: but to be honest with I don't know that it
Speaker 1: needed to. After what you've seen out here in practice
Speaker 1: and then catching the touchdown pass. Do you think he's
Speaker 1: kind of secured himself a spot there is a six
Speaker 1: person Do you think maybe he's pushing Noah Brown out
Speaker 1: or do you think the Cowboys may have to consider
Speaker 1: the possibility of going seven at wide receiver? Did see
Speaker 1: Noah Brown back in practice? It's funny how that works. Um,
Speaker 1: he didn't. He did not make the trip. He was
Speaker 1: banged up a little bit. But yeah he's back out there. Um.
Speaker 1: You know he gives you something that Lenora doesn't. Um.
Speaker 1: And from a blocking standpoint, I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: I think something different is going to shake out. I
Speaker 1: really do. I don't know what. But you said you're
Speaker 1: three locks, and I don't even know if I like
Speaker 1: all three of them as as locks on the team.
Speaker 1: I just which one which would do? I don't want
Speaker 1: to know what's going on with Cole Beasley. I mean,
Speaker 1: he has the groin injury, right, didn't make the trip.
Speaker 1: That's the day of rest. Then the next day, which
Speaker 1: the players have off, that's the second day. Then yesterday
Speaker 1: he wasn't out here doing anything either, not even rehab
Speaker 1: or any kind of thing. So I don't know what
Speaker 1: is going on with that. Cole is making this team.
Speaker 1: Why wasn't he at the game. Why wasn't he at
Speaker 1: the game? If if he's got an injury. No, no no,
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He doesn't have an injury. Sore. He was sore.
Speaker 1: He was sore. That's what the strength coach that I
Speaker 1: talked to said, he was sore. Um, but if you're sore,
Speaker 1: you could make a forty five minute trip on flight
Speaker 1: and you can sit there and you could be on
Speaker 1: the sideline with sunflower scenes. It helped these young receivers
Speaker 1: in different group and walker, you know, and and kind
Speaker 1: of show the ropes a little bit. That's what Sean
Speaker 1: Lee is, what Zeke did. That's what the guys are
Speaker 1: doing that they're not playing. I just don't understand why
Speaker 1: you're not in the game. Well, if if you're if
Speaker 1: if it's soreness that keeps you out, which I assume
Speaker 1: that means it's not your typical soreness, probably some different
Speaker 1: kind of soreness. Maybe there was treatment back here that
Speaker 1: he was able to receive that he didn't he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been able to receive there. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't either, I just I don't. I think it's a
Speaker 1: good question. What do you think there's more going on? Probably? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I know his agent was here a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago. Or a week ago. Um, I think
Speaker 1: there's been discussions of a contract, but I I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just it's just it's just weird that he's not
Speaker 1: doing that whole lot we see Sean Lee's not not
Speaker 1: playing for a certain reason, but he's still out there
Speaker 1: doing certain things. I think that there's just more to it.
Speaker 1: There's gotta be, there's gotta be. He's just like Rico
Speaker 1: last year tied him. He's just gotta be more to
Speaker 1: it than just that. We will definitely keep an eye
Speaker 1: on that. I mean, it's I mean yeah, which I
Speaker 1: mean he did, he did a little get a little
Speaker 1: bit of rehab yesterday and he was at practice. Um
Speaker 1: it's one of those things too much. No, No, I
Speaker 1: mean no, he wasn't padded up or anything. It's just
Speaker 1: you know, I know we have another week left in Oxnard,
Speaker 1: but like I said, it's it's really about two practices.
Speaker 1: So I wonder, I wonder what this week is going
Speaker 1: to look like for him and for a lot of
Speaker 1: other guys, because if he's not practicing yesterday, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I won't be surprised if he doesn't practice till
Speaker 1: we go back. Is basically what I'm saying right, and
Speaker 1: and that didn't really I know, you guys are talking
Speaker 1: about him not travel toever. That doesn't really raised rid
Speaker 1: flat for me so much, just because looking at how
Speaker 1: this coaching staff treats their veteran players. They give them,
Speaker 1: they try to take care of them during training camp
Speaker 1: quite a bit. I mean, they do a lot of
Speaker 1: veteran days. They you know, they'll give guys off, They'll
Speaker 1: have guys just not doing certain things, and then they
Speaker 1: come back and it's not like they were really injured
Speaker 1: as much as it was just that he wanted to
Speaker 1: there was a little something and they were like, let's
Speaker 1: just be cautious and let's just sit them. Um. And
Speaker 1: the hope I assume is that they want to get
Speaker 1: to the season and have a full cast of players
Speaker 1: rather than have a guy that's still kind of gimpy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. For Jason Garrett has issued
Speaker 1: fourteen players in his leadership counsel. It's a lot of players.
Speaker 1: And when you when you consider forty five of them
Speaker 1: are going to be in uniform, so one out of
Speaker 1: every three, would you think Cole Beasley's in the fourteen? Um?
Speaker 1: I mean he's been here eighties, played eighty six games.
Speaker 1: It's like the fourth most on the team. Not necessarily
Speaker 1: because it's all about I think in that in that respect,
Speaker 1: it a lot of times to do with your leadership capabilities,
Speaker 1: because we've seen other guys that were that have been
Speaker 1: here for a while. That des wasn't on that council.
Speaker 1: Was he? I know he wasn't one of the captains,
Speaker 1: but was he fourteen players? I mean that that's like
Speaker 1: one from every position, and a little bit more. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine him not being in there. And if
Speaker 1: he's not out of fourteen players, and that that brings
Speaker 1: another red flag for me. That's even more I under
Speaker 1: saying I'm sure he is. I'm sure he's one of
Speaker 1: the guys. If he's one of the guys, then I
Speaker 1: would think for the first preseason game, this is a
Speaker 1: changing of the guard. This is a new team. There's
Speaker 1: especially on offense in the passing game, there's no desk,
Speaker 1: there's no witting you're a part of this thing. And
Speaker 1: I just thought it was interesting that he wasn't. Really
Speaker 1: you think he's a leader of that group. It's perceived
Speaker 1: by the players, by the other receivers in every room.
Speaker 1: Who do you think the leaders anymore? Who do you
Speaker 1: think as a leader in that room? I don't have
Speaker 1: the slightest idea. Tamon Austin has been the more, the
Speaker 1: most vocal one. Yeah, he's the most experienced one, right
Speaker 1: and Terrence Ye, people want to write off Terrence's experience.
Speaker 1: He's been a starter in the NFL for six years,
Speaker 1: five years now true played you know, three four playoff games.
Speaker 1: Nice plays for this team. I think son Jay Law
Speaker 1: is the leader of that group. That's just the way
Speaker 1: it is. He's the position coach and right now, until
Speaker 1: somebody kind of emerges, it's hard for Tavon Austin as
Speaker 1: a new player to say I'm the leader. It's hard
Speaker 1: for Alan Hearns to do it. It's hard for Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams with the offseason that he had, It's it's hard
Speaker 1: for him to be the leader. And it's hard for
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley to be the leader too. He's had thirty
Speaker 1: nine catches last year. So no, it's it's there for
Speaker 1: the taking if somebody wants to step up and have it.
Speaker 1: Which to get back to your original question, I'm I
Speaker 1: have a better idea about damn near every position on
Speaker 1: this team than I did when we got here, you know,
Speaker 1: like tight end, you know, defensive line, linebacker, blah blah,
Speaker 1: running back. I don't know. I don't have a slightly
Speaker 1: better idea what to think about these receivers. You would think,
Speaker 1: based on his performance that Lance Lanor has carved out
Speaker 1: a roster spot, but that seems hard to just acknowledge
Speaker 1: three weeks before roster cuts, because honestly, he's played great.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to diminish that, but he feels redundant
Speaker 1: to me in terms of his skill set, you know,
Speaker 1: like Michael Gallup, Lance Lenore, Terrence Williams. They all seem
Speaker 1: kind of similar. Uh. And that's you know, I've always
Speaker 1: leaned toward Noah Brown because he's got a body type
Speaker 1: and a skill set that nobody else has. But he's
Speaker 1: not practicing. Uh And so maybe they keep seven receivers.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have a better idea of
Speaker 1: what to expect than did Thompson him. He's been great
Speaker 1: in the times that he's been practicing, but he's been
Speaker 1: you know, nursing an achilles strain recently. He's tight with
Speaker 1: Sanjay Law. They were in Buffalo together. That's something I
Speaker 1: think you have to consider. Again, he's got a skill
Speaker 1: set that the other guys don't because he is lightning fast.
Speaker 1: And the special team's coach said to me, Keith the
Speaker 1: Quinn said that when they get to the season, Tavan
Speaker 1: will be the punt returner and Deonte will be the
Speaker 1: kick returner. So that just kind of there's a spot. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: I've got Deante's making it, you know, I mean just now.
Speaker 1: Obviously everything's subject to change. Yeah, but a special team
Speaker 1: in a lot of instances, the special team guy coach
Speaker 1: will get what's kind of left like they don't get
Speaker 1: they don't get the same yeah, you know, because they're
Speaker 1: looking at the positions. Now, of course it factors in,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, I've heard a
Speaker 1: lot of special teams coaches talk about it. From the standpoint,
Speaker 1: you kind of get what you get a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you might get yourself a one or two guys that
Speaker 1: you say that's my guy, but you get what you
Speaker 1: get the rest of the way. Well, that'll be a change.
Speaker 1: Because rich Vsaccia used to get what he wanted like
Speaker 1: all across all balls. That might be why he's not here. Anybody.
Speaker 1: I don't, but I don't know that's what they teach
Speaker 1: him in daycare and stuff. Hell yeah, you know, I've
Speaker 1: not heard it. Alan. I mean it's weird because again,
Speaker 1: like the I mean, to some degree, the wide receiver
Speaker 1: depth chart is set because like Hearns is making the team,
Speaker 1: Tavon's making the team, Cole's making the team. I think
Speaker 1: Terrence is a damn near lock. And obviously your draft
Speaker 1: pick gallup. Yeah, so that leaves one, maybe two spots.
Speaker 1: But I don't Yeah, like I would put Lance Lenor
Speaker 1: on the team today. But again, and it's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of time and a lot of stuff that has
Speaker 1: to happen still, and the fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: if Lancelors on this team, it won't be because he
Speaker 1: can catch passes. It will be because he can play
Speaker 1: special teams. Yeah, and so we need to see more
Speaker 1: of that. I guess that's the other to be able
Speaker 1: to determine whether he's gonna make the team. He'd be
Speaker 1: if you carry if you carry seven receivers, one of
Speaker 1: them or maybe even two of them is gonna not
Speaker 1: even dress every week, which like that's a waste. So
Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of it. And my
Speaker 1: assumption is for a guy like Lance Lenor, I don't
Speaker 1: think you're worried as much that you put him out
Speaker 1: there that he's gonna be snaps up really quickly, maybe
Speaker 1: them down. I'm thinking probably twenty camps, if not more.
Speaker 1: They got a guy like that that they're like, man,
Speaker 1: this receiver's looking really good when you know, yeah, like
Speaker 1: Eric Rodgers comes to mind, and A. J. Jenkins flashed
Speaker 1: for a week or two a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: but and that was I talked to Lance about that
Speaker 1: after the game. I was like, it's big for you
Speaker 1: to take this into a game because we saw it
Speaker 1: at camp all last year. So I mean, if he
Speaker 1: keeps doing that in games, I think it'll make a
Speaker 1: difference for him. And I think there's something that you
Speaker 1: need to factor in. Um, you know, Lance Lenor was
Speaker 1: here last year, he'll be you know, he'll be around
Speaker 1: probably this year. I don't know if they want to
Speaker 1: cut ties with him because he started thinking about next year.
Speaker 1: Even though you know, most the GMS and and Will
Speaker 1: McClay and all that everyone's focused on right now. But
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams may not be on this roster next year.
Speaker 1: Colbezi's in the last year of his deal, Tavon Austin's
Speaker 1: in last year of his deal. Dontay Thompson could not
Speaker 1: be here as well. Hearns will probably be here even
Speaker 1: though he signed a two year deal. Gallop for sure.
Speaker 1: So I mean, like, let's say that that that you
Speaker 1: you let go of of of him and Lenore signs
Speaker 1: with someone else, He goes to the Bears and does
Speaker 1: great there, and then all of a sudden, you're here
Speaker 1: next year and you're like, man, we could have had him,
Speaker 1: but we kept him for these guys who are not
Speaker 1: even here anymore. So you do need to kind of
Speaker 1: think about that and go, all right, well, let's let's
Speaker 1: let's find a way maybe to go heavy at receiver
Speaker 1: this year, because it's gonna shake out somehow this year
Speaker 1: and definitely next year we're gonna be talking a lot
Speaker 1: about receivers on the Draft show in twenty nineteen. I
Speaker 1: bet absolutely they're remaking that position. Let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about the offensive line. They look dominant as always.
Speaker 1: There was one hiccup though. Connor Williams, my guy from Texas,
Speaker 1: had a moment gave up a sack. Were you at all.
Speaker 1: I know, he's had a pretty good camp out here
Speaker 1: where you'd all concerned about seeing that happen in that
Speaker 1: game because he will be the I mean, obviously he's
Speaker 1: the young guy on that offensive line, and from that standpoint,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even want, I don't even want to call
Speaker 1: him a weak link, but he is. Of all the
Speaker 1: guys there, he's the guy that probably is the lesser
Speaker 1: at this point with his inexperience. Are you'd all concerned
Speaker 1: about going into the season with him at guard after
Speaker 1: that that sat But if you think about it from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of, all right, well, anybody any position, say,
Speaker 1: all right, he's played tackle for in college for three
Speaker 1: years and then he's gonna and play guard, and man,
Speaker 1: the first stat first drive at guard, he gave up
Speaker 1: a sack. You know, I don't know if that's a
Speaker 1: bad thing. Let's let's see how he bounces back. I mean,
Speaker 1: you would kind of expect it. You would be more
Speaker 1: surprised if you're like, he moved into this position and
Speaker 1: it was just rock steady Martin. He showed you in
Speaker 1: the same game he was able to come back again.
Speaker 1: That's some Skip Bayless stuff right there. Derek, like to be.
Speaker 1: I mean, no, I'm not concerned. Really yeah, no, he
Speaker 1: asked the question, and you let people talk about I
Speaker 1: got I got out of the uber. I got out
Speaker 1: of the uber on Thursday afternoon, and we walked up
Speaker 1: to Levi's stadium and like, right there on the side
Speaker 1: of the buildings big facade is DeForest Buckner doing this.
Speaker 1: He's like big enough deal that they put him on
Speaker 1: the facade of their stadium. And on the third snap
Speaker 1: of the game, he beat a rookie guard and it
Speaker 1: was he got panted. Don't get me wrong, Connor Williams
Speaker 1: got beat badly. I thought he bounced back fine. And no,
Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about it at all. He he he
Speaker 1: smacked the wrap out of Shawn Lee out here, like
Speaker 1: welcome back to the field, Sean, Well, hey, you're back
Speaker 1: in practice. Smack Connor Williams right in his face. Thought
Speaker 1: it was great. I'm not worried about him. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take our final break. When we come back, we
Speaker 1: will get to the defensive side of the ball. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about the linebackers particularly, and then we'll
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about those defensive backs. A few
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Speaker 1: segment of The Break Live from Oxnard, California. It is
Speaker 1: our final week of training camp. Man, it's time to
Speaker 1: go home. Let's talk some more. We're gonna get some
Speaker 1: more back into the game. Talk about the defense. We
Speaker 1: want to hit the linebackers and the defensive backs particularly. Um.
Speaker 1: But before we do that, Dave take it away. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I got up this morning and hey, look you get
Speaker 1: to day twenty of training camp. It's it's rough out there.
Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't know about y'all. My hotel
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Speaker 1: back into the game, um and talk about the defense.
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Speaker 1: deep blue of the season this last week, the one
Speaker 1: we did on Parcels. First of all, you need to
Speaker 1: go see it. You've been living in a cave. You
Speaker 1: need to go see it. It's really really good. Shot
Speaker 1: to Rob Phillips and Kent Garrison. They did a phenomenal
Speaker 1: job putting that thing together. But we're gonna follow that
Speaker 1: up this week with an equally phenomenal documentary that Nick
Speaker 1: worked on. Nick and our one of our editors, Chris Beam.
Speaker 1: It's called Cold Shoulder and Nick, tell us what it's about.
Speaker 1: We're gonna roll it out this windsay, but tell us
Speaker 1: what it's about. Yeah, we'll see how how if it's
Speaker 1: equally as good as that one. That's about the best
Speaker 1: one I've ever seen, so in the parcels one. Um,
Speaker 1: but um, we're excited about it. At the Cold Shoulder,
Speaker 1: I've been working on him for a while, especially here
Speaker 1: at camp. Everyone around me knows how much we've been
Speaker 1: working about on that one. Uh. Emmett Smith twenty five
Speaker 1: years ago, the spraying shoulder, separated shoulder, broken shoulder, shoulder
Speaker 1: fell off, whatever you want to say and whatever has
Speaker 1: been said about it. Um, it was a very memorable
Speaker 1: game against the Giants, and it was it was just
Speaker 1: one of those situations, one of those moments that it
Speaker 1: really changed the course of the dynasty. Um, if they
Speaker 1: don't win that game, then they probably don't, you know,
Speaker 1: win three Super Bowls out of four years. So it
Speaker 1: all came out of that game, that that moment yea
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see
Speaker 1: how if we can get it up there on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: We'll see if we can get everybody's attention from the
Speaker 1: internet and watch it. I think I think it could
Speaker 1: be pretty good. Yeah, I'm excited about it. There's a
Speaker 1: trailer that will be coming out tomorrow that we'll put
Speaker 1: on social media, so you guys to be able to
Speaker 1: check that out and I'll learn more about the documentary,
Speaker 1: and then again again on Wednesday, we'll actually run it
Speaker 1: live the same way we did this last week. You'll
Speaker 1: be able to watch it on all our platforms, from
Speaker 1: Connected TV to our mobile app, to Dallas Cowboys dot com,
Speaker 1: to Facebook, to Twitter and Periscope everywhere. We'll have it
Speaker 1: out there for you guys to be able to check
Speaker 1: it out and watch our second installment of Deep Blue
Speaker 1: for this twenty eighteen preseason. All right, so let's get
Speaker 1: back into the recap of the game. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about the linebackers Joe Thomas and Jalen Smith I
Speaker 1: thought were really good and if I had to identify
Speaker 1: one position on the entire Hire team that I was
Speaker 1: most excited about how they performed. It would be those
Speaker 1: two guys mainly because they were flying around to the
Speaker 1: ball and it looked like that's the kind of linebackers
Speaker 1: you want to have in this defense. What did you
Speaker 1: guys see from particularly the linebackers and those two or
Speaker 1: even some younger guys that played later in the game,
Speaker 1: what do you see from the linebacker position? I thought
Speaker 1: they looked I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: echo you, but I thought they looked incredible. Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: is such a sneaky good signing like he can play Mike,
Speaker 1: he can play Will, he had an interception, he was
Speaker 1: active in the run game, and then obviously Jalen, I
Speaker 1: mean he would we know he can play forward towards
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. He did it again on Thursday night.
Speaker 1: And then just like he carried Cole Beasley a couple
Speaker 1: weeks ago or a week ago, whatever he carried I
Speaker 1: think it was George Kittle San Francisco's tight end, like
Speaker 1: twenty five thirty yards downfield, covered a steam route flawlessly.
Speaker 1: He looks fantastic. And one thing that scares me is
Speaker 1: we know he's got that potential. The problem with Jalen
Speaker 1: was always playing fifty sixty snaps and how does he
Speaker 1: hold up over time? Probably not going to see that
Speaker 1: in the preseason. But the counter to that is that
Speaker 1: now you have Joe Thomas and Laton vander Esh to
Speaker 1: help ease that load. So maybe you can limit him
Speaker 1: to twenty five thirty snaps a game and let him
Speaker 1: play like that the whole time. I thought Damien Wilson
Speaker 1: looked pretty active on a couple of plays as well,
Speaker 1: so they had a lot of options. There's some guys
Speaker 1: flying around the ball there. It's gonna be tough for
Speaker 1: one of those young linebackers to make it because they
Speaker 1: seem pretty heavy right now. Even when you're talking about potential,
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about the other day, potential trades,
Speaker 1: if you were going to do that, even if you
Speaker 1: want to get into the player part of it, linebacker
Speaker 1: might be a spot where you can look into something
Speaker 1: like that. I don't really know how the younger guys
Speaker 1: are looking though, like like rookie free agents. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's any of those guys pushing, which sort of related.
Speaker 1: Chris Covington was back at practice yesterday. He mean, he's
Speaker 1: been missing for forever. It feels like, yeah, this, uh,
Speaker 1: that's something to look for in the next couple of games.
Speaker 1: I didn't I don't remember Justin march Lillard much in
Speaker 1: the game, but he's been great out here. It's flipped
Speaker 1: over the pile at the end of the game. It
Speaker 1: was kind of having fun over there. Yeah, this is it.
Speaker 1: If I asked him about that, he said, I was
Speaker 1: just I wanted to like do something regular season last year.
Speaker 1: It's just get on tape like something. This is this
Speaker 1: is It's a stretch obviously, we know that. But if
Speaker 1: everybody's healthy, this has got to be one of the
Speaker 1: deepest units on the Cowboys roster. Which is crazy to
Speaker 1: say out loud, but it looks it looks really promising
Speaker 1: and you could do that, but I wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: because I have a feeling you're gonna need them all
Speaker 1: before it's all said and done. I think it kind
Speaker 1: of it really makes sense. I mean, yes, Sean Lee
Speaker 1: has been here a long time and he was the
Speaker 1: second round pick, but from a long time ago, but
Speaker 1: even from the last few years. You know, you have
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick in in Damien Wilson here. Before that,
Speaker 1: you had Hitchens, and then you had a Smith as
Speaker 1: a second round pick, Layton van Rish is a first
Speaker 1: round pick. I mean, it kind of would make sense
Speaker 1: that you do have some depth. I just you know,
Speaker 1: my memory of covering the Cowboys is like the stuff
Speaker 1: that they've thrown out here in recent years, like Jasper Brinkley,
Speaker 1: Keith Rivers bringing in Rolando McClean on a Hail Mary
Speaker 1: in July, which like it worked out for a year,
Speaker 1: but still you're just like, oh my god, Like Keith Rivers,
Speaker 1: I don't even remember that was his name, right? That
Speaker 1: maybe was that the guy that came from Cincinnati. He
Speaker 1: was a USC linebacker, play with Mala Lugay. He was
Speaker 1: here for a hot second. Jasper Brinkley was not here
Speaker 1: very much. Jasper Brinkley was like a three million dollar
Speaker 1: free agent who didn't even initially make the team. Like
Speaker 1: at roster cut, they're like, that's it's it's Andrew Gashcar.
Speaker 1: It's been a graveyard of power. And now you've got
Speaker 1: three super freaks and then Joe Thomas, who I think
Speaker 1: is super freaks. I mean, I'm not saying we don't
Speaker 1: know what Jalen and Layton can become. They are athletics. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: and then Joe Thomas looks like he could be a
Speaker 1: really sneaky quality signing. So there's a lot to feel
Speaker 1: good about what you guys see from Laton Vanderesh in
Speaker 1: this game. Obviously the rookie and the highly touted rookie.
Speaker 1: What did you see in in this preseason game? I
Speaker 1: mean I didn't see a lot of great stuff. I
Speaker 1: was seeming bad. I mean, that was him that almost
Speaker 1: had that interception on the sideline. It wasn't as close
Speaker 1: in retrospect as it looked in real time, but get
Speaker 1: that part of the play, and it was a penalty
Speaker 1: on them anyways for holding I think Anthony Brown, but
Speaker 1: that was one of my favorite players of the game.
Speaker 1: Then you guys were, I guess both sitting next to
Speaker 1: me at the game. But I thought that was the
Speaker 1: best individual play that I saw was from Doeorg's Armstrong
Speaker 1: on that particular play that just that didn't look like
Speaker 1: a rookie in his first game. That a guy pushing
Speaker 1: the pile, showing that kind of strength, going to the ground,
Speaker 1: getting up off the ground, realizing the play was still going,
Speaker 1: finding the quarterback rushing him out of the podcast, I
Speaker 1: thought that was that was seriously was the was the
Speaker 1: best most individual the best play that I saw the game.
Speaker 1: He looked really good. And I actually talked to him
Speaker 1: about it yesterday and he was like, yeah, if I
Speaker 1: had done this better, I would have just gotten a
Speaker 1: sack instead of that. And I was like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: got Marinelli in him, then you you were fine? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all the you know, I thought a few of the
Speaker 1: pass rushers had really nice nights individually. Liked Law looked
Speaker 1: great for the hot minute he was in there. Taco
Speaker 1: had two or three pressures in a you know, a
Speaker 1: quarter and a half. Uh, Dorian's Armstrong looked great. Charles
Speaker 1: Tapper had a strip in a recovery, and then all
Speaker 1: of them were like, well, we didn't get we didn't
Speaker 1: get a sack. So Marinelli's pissed about. Sounds good. Sounds
Speaker 1: good like Woods. That guy in the field, big guy
Speaker 1: an twine Wood. He gets up the field. Him and
Speaker 1: do Law ran like a stunt together, and I mean
Speaker 1: it was just like, oh yeah, But I actually thought
Speaker 1: Brian Price played well too, So I mean you start
Speaker 1: looking at that, I'm getting a T shirt. I know
Speaker 1: I'm a fan, but but he I thought he played well.
Speaker 1: I thought he played well, and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: that was one of the positions. I had some people
Speaker 1: to ask me this last week when I got away
Speaker 1: from here. They were like, so, what are you what
Speaker 1: are you thinking so far? What are you seeing? I'm like,
Speaker 1: they were like, if there's one position that you're most
Speaker 1: concerned about, what would it be. I said, going to camp,
Speaker 1: it was definitely defensive tackle. But there have been a
Speaker 1: couple of guys that have kind of emerged that make
Speaker 1: you feel a little better. Now. You don't know what
Speaker 1: you're gonna get when the season gets here, but I
Speaker 1: do feel a little better with Woodsy as Niche Causin
Speaker 1: and uh And and with Brian Price. I think they
Speaker 1: are I think they are pretty good defensive tackles, and
Speaker 1: uh And may give you a little bit of something
Speaker 1: until you get Malie Collins back, and maybe if you
Speaker 1: do ever get David Irving back. Until you get David
Speaker 1: Irving back, they're just getting great on the job training.
Speaker 1: I mean they're going up against I mean, Antoine woods
Speaker 1: Is going up against Zach Martin and Travis Frederick and
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, and you know, I mean that's that's a
Speaker 1: that's a really good test right there. You could you
Speaker 1: start getting a little bit better every day, you win
Speaker 1: some battles here, or you now you now you you
Speaker 1: you hit a center in the face, I mean like
Speaker 1: do whatever you gotta and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now you get to the game and you're like, don't, don't,
Speaker 1: don't hit centers in the face. I think it showed
Speaker 1: the whole team a little bit that hey, this guy
Speaker 1: right here, I mean, he's he's he means business. He's
Speaker 1: not he's not intimidated by anybody. He's not scared of
Speaker 1: the situation. And when you get to San Francisco and
Speaker 1: you get to the next camp in Cincinnati, and like,
Speaker 1: the center has done as good as the guy I've
Speaker 1: been facing all camps. So um, that's that's a start.
Speaker 1: There's always three or four guys right now. He's one
Speaker 1: of them that that's making that push. All right. So
Speaker 1: we have to now talk about the defensive backs, which overall,
Speaker 1: I think it was just like every other position. I
Speaker 1: thought there was some really good things that you noticed.
Speaker 1: There were some things that weren't so great. Let's talk
Speaker 1: particularly about Anthony Brown. He gave up a couple of
Speaker 1: plays had a big PI Like what did you think
Speaker 1: of Anthony Bown Brown's play there? As you're basically your
Speaker 1: third cornerback in the slot. It was kind of like
Speaker 1: the opposite of Lance Lenora, like he Lance Lenora carried
Speaker 1: his camp into the game. Anthony Brown And for all
Speaker 1: the people that want to see Jordan Lewis, he has
Speaker 1: not been terrible this camp, and he was especially practicing
Speaker 1: really well heading into the game, and it just didn't
Speaker 1: seem like it carried over. He had the bad penalty,
Speaker 1: he gave up two or three receptions. I mean, it
Speaker 1: wasn't like a staggering level of bad, but it was
Speaker 1: certainly a low light among the starter caliber players. Um
Speaker 1: just yeah, kind of forget about, you know, one thing
Speaker 1: to kind of point out there. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: all three of the of San Francisco's touchdowns I believe
Speaker 1: happened at the very end of the half or end
Speaker 1: the game. We were down the field for all of them.
Speaker 1: So I think every every touchdown that was scored was
Speaker 1: in a two minute drill. Uh for the for the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, that's not really a good thing. It's
Speaker 1: not an excuse, of course, it's just that I wonder
Speaker 1: in a setting like that, and they they go over
Speaker 1: situational football a lot, but I wonder if that's where
Speaker 1: where some of the breakdowns were. Communication while was to
Speaker 1: give different guys in the game, because you know, when
Speaker 1: they were playing bass defense, it was pretty standard. They
Speaker 1: did a good job, but when they went to two minute,
Speaker 1: that's where they see a lot of the breakdown. So
Speaker 1: maybe applaud San Francisco for doing a good job there,
Speaker 1: but I think I think the Cowboys struggled on all ends.
Speaker 1: They're just trying to get get situated there in a
Speaker 1: two minutes and I guess it didn't lead to do
Speaker 1: a touchdown, but um Marquest and Huff and Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: gave up the big gainer right after halftime. It was
Speaker 1: it led to a field goal, right, you guys getting
Speaker 1: some chicken strips in there or something. It was not
Speaker 1: It was not pretty in the slightest Jordan, Jordan gave
Speaker 1: up a step and I think Huff didn't realize he had,
Speaker 1: you know, he was supposed to be helping over the
Speaker 1: top and just it was I thought Byron Jones looked
Speaker 1: nice and the second like when the first team pass
Speaker 1: Rush was out there. I thought the secondary looked fine,
Speaker 1: but Cheeto gave up a couple of completions. Nothing drastic,
Speaker 1: but you know, you just we you know, as my
Speaker 1: mention said, like, we've been touting these guys for two
Speaker 1: weeks and they didn't really look amazing out there. So
Speaker 1: it's something to watch. That's what the next two games
Speaker 1: are for. I assume they're not going to play in
Speaker 1: the fourth one, at least not the big guys. So
Speaker 1: did anything change in your opinions about Jordan Lewis. Obviously
Speaker 1: a lot of fans want to see him out there
Speaker 1: because he was a draft pick a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: They feel like, because of that, he probably is your
Speaker 1: third best corner, but he's not out there because Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown is your slot corner. Do you think that at
Speaker 1: some point, you know, he's gonna be able to really
Speaker 1: push for that job, But do you think this really
Speaker 1: is about Anthony Brown and then believing in the fact
Speaker 1: that Anthony Brown's your third best corner, at least the
Speaker 1: best in the slot. I could see Jordan Lewis taking
Speaker 1: that spot this week. You know, that's this kind of
Speaker 1: what training camps about, preseason games about Anthony Brown gave
Speaker 1: you an opportunity. He didn't didn't have your best moment.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll see maybe he bounces back this week.
Speaker 1: Maybe they moved Jordan Lewis into that spot. You know,
Speaker 1: That's kind of what competition is all about. It's fitting timing.
Speaker 1: Because Jordan Lewis ended practice last night with an interception,
Speaker 1: but it was as a member of the second team defense.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. And like, I mean, Jordan hasn't
Speaker 1: been bad, but it's not like he's just you know,
Speaker 1: just to reckon the league out here to the point
Speaker 1: where I can definitively say, like, yeah, he needs to
Speaker 1: be starting like he's been all right. He set his
Speaker 1: ups and his downs just like Anthony. That's it's something
Speaker 1: to watch, especially in the dress rehearsal game, which is
Speaker 1: the you know, the one that most nearly mimics a
Speaker 1: regular season game. I'll be interested to see what that
Speaker 1: looks like. Keep an eye on it. But honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't know how to feel. Right from what we've seen
Speaker 1: so far, I would say they're pretty close to, you know,
Speaker 1: level wise, based on every practice that we've seen. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not that Jordan has been oh, this much greater
Speaker 1: than Anthony Brown, and neither has Anthony Brown, you know,
Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens. And Anthony Brown in the past,
Speaker 1: like even last year. I mean, he's the guy that
Speaker 1: you keep thinking he has this kind of potential and
Speaker 1: then he gets in the game and it doesn't really
Speaker 1: he doesn't really perform to that level that you're expecting.
Speaker 1: And we saw that once again in this preseason game. Yep,
Speaker 1: real quick before we end the show. We got it
Speaker 1: all shot that Dan Bailey didn't kick in this game, yes,
Speaker 1: which I mean it goes to show you that the
Speaker 1: shocked the coaching staff is not as concerned about Dan
Speaker 1: Bailey as as others are, which hey, good vote of confidence,
Speaker 1: and maybe they are. That's why didn't kick. I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask you, is it to flip? Well, to flip it?
Speaker 1: And that's like, well, why why wreck is confidence? If? Right? Well,
Speaker 1: come on, man, seriously, I don't know. I guess that
Speaker 1: that was really that was rhetorical. It wasn't directed at
Speaker 1: you like we're worried about shattering the Pro Bowl kickers
Speaker 1: confidence by making him kick in the preseason opener, Like
Speaker 1: that's not a good if that's why they didn't do it.
Speaker 1: I am terrified. I hope that's not the case. Um,
Speaker 1: but it's conceivable that he's He's an eight year veteran,
Speaker 1: He's made a lot of kicks. If they're not worried
Speaker 1: about him and they don't want him to put the
Speaker 1: strain on his body, fine, If that's fine. If they
Speaker 1: held him out because they're worried about hurting his confidence
Speaker 1: in a preseason game, then that sounds like trouble to me.
Speaker 1: But I don't know that that's the case. This will
Speaker 1: be Uh, this will be interesting. I'm interested to see
Speaker 1: how much they'll use him in some of the other
Speaker 1: preseason games that are followed that that will follow, because
Speaker 1: I personally would like to see him kick the entire preseason.
Speaker 1: But that's a decision they make based on all things
Speaker 1: they know. You know. It went back and looked at
Speaker 1: his stats from last year when he came back from
Speaker 1: the injury. He missed four field goals and two extra points.
Speaker 1: The weird part about that is is the two extra points,
Speaker 1: they're both what are those the thirty four yards? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then the miss one miss field goal in Philadelphia
Speaker 1: was like twenty one yards. I mean it was really
Speaker 1: was at the very end of the game. Um. The
Speaker 1: other three misses in that span are all fifty yards
Speaker 1: or more so, I mean the four field goal misses.
Speaker 1: There was a really bad one in Philly. Uh, and
Speaker 1: then there was They're all fifty two or not. Gimmes, right,
Speaker 1: not gimmes at all. I mean you kind of just
Speaker 1: expect more out of him. Um, that's why it's kind
Speaker 1: of surprising. But it's not like he was you know,
Speaker 1: I can't take that bay. He missed two extra points
Speaker 1: in this short one. So yeah, out of those seven
Speaker 1: six misses, three of them the miss on the goal
Speaker 1: line at the end of the Philly game was just
Speaker 1: like the perfect punctuation mark on the crap sandwich that
Speaker 1: was last year. I just remember. I think I laughed, like, okay,
Speaker 1: like when it happened. I was just like, that is
Speaker 1: the perfect way to end this season. Yeah. And I
Speaker 1: think what's also kind of just a little bit concerning
Speaker 1: is that we've seen him missing that thirty to forty
Speaker 1: range out here several times in a row too, And
Speaker 1: I think that's the part you kind of just keeping
Speaker 1: your eye on it. I'm not worried about him with
Speaker 1: the fifty and over, because like, that's a crapshoot unless
Speaker 1: you have, I mean, what he's been automatic before. But
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't get mad at kickers for missing
Speaker 1: from fifty five. But I would love to see him
Speaker 1: attempt four or five field goals from forty and forty
Speaker 1: five and in just to I mean, just to see
Speaker 1: I think what sucks is that he has been so
Speaker 1: automatic and you want to have that again. And if
Speaker 1: he misses kicks to the point where you feel like
Speaker 1: you have to make a change, You're not gonna go
Speaker 1: get what Dan Bailey was before. You're gonna go get
Speaker 1: what he is right now. You're just gonna get a
Speaker 1: different guy with a different set of confidence. And he
Speaker 1: comes in, it's gonna be the same. He's still gonna
Speaker 1: be uh, you know, a seventy kicker. So you're not
Speaker 1: gonna go get that ninety. You gotta, I mean, those
Speaker 1: guys don't kind of frustrating about it. You want Dan
Speaker 1: Bailey to get back to the ninety, but if you don't,
Speaker 1: you're gonna end up cutting cutting him and getting another
Speaker 1: guy and it's gonna be the same boat. This sounds
Speaker 1: very doom and gloom, so contrary to my personality. I'll
Speaker 1: offer the optimism, which is that, Oh I like it.
Speaker 1: Since that bad stretch of days where he missed like
Speaker 1: four and two practices, like he's been, he's been back
Speaker 1: to his usual self out here. I think I think
Speaker 1: he's missed one in the five practices since then, but
Speaker 1: he's looked fine, So maybe it's much ado about nothing.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, appreciate you joining us this week. We'll
Speaker 1: be back. Um, sorry, we'll be back to morrow. Actually
Speaker 1: Amber will be hosting the show tomorrow. We'll be talking
Speaker 1: more Cowboys football. We'll be on on Wednesday. That's when
Speaker 1: we'll wrap up camp live here from Oxnard, California. Un
Speaker 1: till then for Nick even, Amber Garcia, Dave Hellman, I'm
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