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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why won't she go away?

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Jody Arius, convicted in the brutal murderer

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Speaker 1: of her ex boyfriend Travis Alexander, stabbing him at least

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Speaker 1: twenty nine times. There were so many stabs he couldn't

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Speaker 1: really tell because they were overlapping, plus shooting him in

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Speaker 1: the head, leaving this young guy with his life in

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Speaker 1: front of him to decompose in his own shower. Well,

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Speaker 1: apparently she's preparing another legal challenge to her conviction. I'm

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Arius, still behind bars at

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Speaker 1: Arizona's Parable State Women's Prison serving a life without parole,

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Speaker 1: has re emerged through prison created artwork, sales and a

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Speaker 1: new blog on substack. Oh my goodness, she has a

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Speaker 1: blog on some tech her and top mom Casey Anthony.

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Speaker 1: She states, quote it might be difficult for some to grasp,

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Speaker 1: but learning is not among my priorities really, because you're

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Speaker 1: constantly luring in sad, sack, lovelorn guys trying to get money. Quote.

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Speaker 1: It's a waste of time and does nothing to serve

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Speaker 1: my goals. Oh okay, she added, Her new focus is

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Speaker 1: p c R Post conviction relief. Quote my art, which

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Speaker 1: is basically tracing pictures out of magazines, my writing, Oh

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Speaker 1: Dear Lord, and manuscripts that may or may not ever

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Speaker 1: be published. What post conviction relief? Okay, an appeal is

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Speaker 1: on the way. Another appeal that is it ain't over yet? Well?

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Speaker 1: Who is Travis Alexander? Who is Jody Arius? First of all,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to this.

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Speaker 2: Jody Arius grew up in California. When she was younger,

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Speaker 2: her parents moved around a lot, ultimately settling in Wyrika

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Speaker 2: in northern California near the Oregon border. Arius was part

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Speaker 2: of a larger family with four siblings. Picture Perfect author

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Speaker 2: Shana Hogan tells CNN compared to Alexander's upbringing, Arius' was

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Speaker 2: more idyllic, but not without its own problems.

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Speaker 3: She grew up being very artistic. She played the flute.

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Speaker 3: She had a lot of brothers and sisters and was

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Speaker 3: very close with them all. So Jody's childhood was fairly

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Speaker 3: ideal compared to Travis's, but she does describe like incidences

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Speaker 3: of physical violence.

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Speaker 2: The Arias family opened a Mexican restaurant, where as a

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Speaker 2: teenager Jody worked as a waitress. She developed a passion

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Speaker 2: for photography and as an adult, shot weddings and the like.

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Speaker 2: Wanting to make more money and be more successful, Arius

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Speaker 2: packs up and moves to Palm Desert, a California resort town.

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Speaker 2: Once in Palm Desert, Arias becomes interested in pursuing the

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Speaker 2: network marketing of prepaid legal.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend John Lenley at crimeonline dot com.

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Speaker 1: We know a lot about Jody Arius in her life

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Speaker 1: seemingly an idyllic childhood, But what about Travis Alexander. Now

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Speaker 1: we know Travis was good looking, charismatic and entrepreneur, even

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Speaker 1: a motivational speaker. But things weren't always so great for him.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Travis was born to drug

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Speaker 1: addicted parents and he suffered a lot as a child.

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Speaker 1: His parents were poor, They neglected him, they abused him,

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Speaker 1: He was teased and bullied. He had very few friends.

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Speaker 1: He even ran away at just ten years old to

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Speaker 1: go live with his grandma, and that was where he

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Speaker 1: became involved in the Mormon Church. And he thrived there

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Speaker 1: with me in altime. Our panel to break you down

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Speaker 1: and put it back together again. Renowned psychologists joining me

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Speaker 1: out of Manhattan. Karen Stark. You can find her at

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Speaker 1: Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with a c Robert Crispin,

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Speaker 1: former cop now private investigator at Crispinspecial Investigations dot com.

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Speaker 1: Alexis Terschuk Crime online dot com investigative reporter who covered

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Speaker 1: this case from the very very beginning, and special guests,

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Speaker 1: joining US defense attorney Kirk Nurmi. Kirk Nurmi has actually

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Speaker 1: written the book Trapped with Miss Areas and you can

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Speaker 1: find it on Amazon. He's also cast member Radical Body

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Speaker 1: Transformation now season three on Amazon Prime. You know, I

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Speaker 1: want to go first to you, Alexis Terschuk. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people don't know how Travis grew up and why

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Speaker 1: it's so phenomenal that he turned his life around. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was born to drug adult parents that literally abused him,

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Speaker 1: I remember him saying that he would be teased by

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Speaker 1: to use a can opener and that just broke my heart. Alexis.

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Speaker 1: And then he turns into this great looking, awesome guy, entrepreneur,

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Speaker 1: motivational speaker, it's pretty incredible. Do you think it was

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Speaker 4: I think it was both of them. He was so

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Speaker 1: To Karen Stark Psychologists joining me from Manhattan. Karen, it's

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Speaker 1: so great to talk to you. And boy, do I

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Speaker 1: need a shrink to figure out these two. But you know,

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Speaker 1: this is a lot I'm learning now about Travis Alexander.

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Speaker 1: I never knew about his childhood and what he lived through,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just finding it how he turned his life

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Speaker 1: around really starting at about age ten. It's pretty amazing, Karen.

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Speaker 5: It's amazing, and it also says a lot about his

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Speaker 5: determination to make his life be better. That he had

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Speaker 5: that awareness at age ten and could tell that there

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Speaker 5: creates this incredible life for himself. A motivational speaker, and

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Speaker 5: I'm sure that he used that background and is speaking

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Speaker 5: you know the fact that he had overcome something at such.

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Speaker 1: A young age or Karen Stark, I mean you're the shrink,

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Speaker 1: not me, But I know you said he was so young,

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Speaker 1: but need he wanted to turn his life around. I

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Speaker 1: it's hard for me to relate to a ten year

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Speaker 1: I'd see, from my arms here psychology viewpoint, I would

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Speaker 5: He saw things and was around things that, even though

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Travis Alexander. This is our cut too.

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Speaker 1: Remember Travis goes to live with his grandma at age ten.

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Speaker 1: He gets heavily involved with a Mormon church, and between

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Speaker 1: He becomes a very successful entrepreneur and motivational speaker and

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Speaker 1: to him speaking at a legal seminar in Vegas.

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Speaker 8: Things like that, the first thing I would hear a

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Speaker 9: Nothing going on for this year.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing Travis Alexander speaking at that legal seminar in Vegas,

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Speaker 1: and he's making everybody laugh by self deprecating humor. Talking

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Speaker 1: about he would mention he's single, Uh, ladies, come and

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Speaker 1: and you know, there's really no surprise is that he

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Speaker 1: to our friend John Limley at Crime Online.

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Speaker 2: Travis Alexander worked for Prepaid Legal Services as a salesman

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Speaker 2: and motivational speaker. Friend Taylor Cyril tells HLN Alexander was

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Speaker 10: He really had a great way of influencing those around

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Speaker 10: And that's the thing that he really helped those around

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Speaker 10: him understand is that we are something and we're always

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Speaker 11: He did a lot of conventions where he would dress

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Speaker 1: I didn't really understand that about him. Kirk Nurmi what

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Speaker 1: kind of a motivational speaker was he would he talk

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Speaker 1: to do the same.

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Speaker 12: Well, it was within the context of this pre paid

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Speaker 12: So he would motivate with his own story and he

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Speaker 1: Well, you're absolutely right yet again, Kurtner me take a listen.

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Speaker 1: Our friends at Crime.

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Speaker 2: Online, Travis Alexander, and Jody Arius meet because of pre

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Speaker 2: Paid Legal. After moving to Palm Desert Areas. Becomes interested

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Speaker 2: After the banquet, Travis, Alexander and Jody Arius hang out

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Speaker 2: The next morning, Alexander tells friends he's found the woman

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Karen, start again, I think it's shrink.

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Speaker 1: After one night with Arius he wants to marry her.

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Speaker 5: Well, yes, he did say that, Nancy, and that sometimes happened. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: there was this huge attraction between the two of them.

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Speaker 1: Now a minute, Kira, start, hold on care and start

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, now, didn't you know your now husband

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Speaker 1: for a long time before you guys became red hot

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Speaker 1: and got married. It was not love at first sight,

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Speaker 5: Now? It might have been loved first sight, but it

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Speaker 5: They're very attractive.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think a slow burn is a better idea,

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Speaker 4: And this starts as a very early problem in their

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Speaker 15: You know, let the broken toys go over here.

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Speaker 1: Jacasaurus very quickly. This is intended to paint a bad

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Speaker 4: They had a really sweet relationship. They He would tell

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Speaker 4: They were this very happy, very young, successful couple, up

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Speaker 16: At twenty twenty, Travis and Jody have been dating for

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Speaker 1: I look at Chris. I'm like, does she not realize

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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson, you know what, what is this? Karen start

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Speaker 17: Travis Alexander called Brenton, doctor Hyatt and their family his

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Speaker 1: I don't really know that he did either, but apparently

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Speaker 1: How does it hit you, Chris to hear us talking

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Speaker 6: I mean it was you know, things like this aren't

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I did. I mean that was me in the

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Speaker 6: and so he would actually drive past her house on

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00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 6: his way to my house to rendezvous, and she would

437
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 6: come over and hang out, and they would stay for

438
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 6: days at a time, and in fact, just an interesting

439
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 6: side note, sometimes Jody would show up without Travis and

440
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 6: unannounced and would stay for a couple of days or longer.

441
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 6: And so, yeah, they would come over and they were

442
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 6: there a lot, and so we watched all of this happen.

443
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 6: At first, I really really liked Jody. I thought she

444
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 6: was great. I thought she was smart. I thought she

445
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 6: had a great handshake, but she had good eye contact.

446
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 6: She seemed to be able to talk about any any

447
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 6: subject that came up. But then as she was in

448
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 6: my home day after day after day, you know, then

449
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 6: you start to see the oddities and the bizarre behavior

450
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 6: and crawling all.

451
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: I gotta hear this. I got to hear the bizarre behavior.

452
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: Please tell me.

453
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 6: Well, so she takes an interest in the Mormon Church

454
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 6: because Travis has wanted a Mormon girlfriend or a Mormon

455
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 6: woman to be in his life, and she just was,

456
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 6: in my opinion, she was doing everything that she could

457
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 6: to get Travis to commit to her and to like her.

458
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 6: For example, we're watching the UFC, you know, cage fighting basically,

459
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 6: and and Jodie is what it's loud, you know, My

460
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 6: kids are running around the house, and there's people there,

461
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 6: and we're eating pizza and hanging out, and the TV's

462
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 6: really loud. And she's walking back and forth in front

463
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 6: of the television reading her Book of Mormon, you know,

464
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 6: or reading her Bible. I don't know what she was reading.

465
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 6: She had her scriptures in her hand and We're like,

466
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 6: what does she you know, like get out of the way,

467
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 6: Like what are you doing. She's walking around the house

468
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 6: trying to show everybody how spiritual she was while we're

469
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 6: trying to watch, you know, a blood sport.

470
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 18: Yeah, and then and then Travis would get up. Oftentimes,

471
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 18: anytime Travis got up to go to the bathroom, to

472
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 18: go anywhere, do anything around the house, Jody would wait

473
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 18: just a few seconds and then she would get up

474
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 18: and follow him out of the room. And there were

475
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 18: multiple times where we came around the corner to see

476
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 18: what she was doing, and we caught her right on

477
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 18: Travis's conversations or if you're just sitting on the toilet,

478
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 18: you know, behind the closed door in the bathroom, she's

479
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 18: got her ear up against the door trying to figure

480
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 18: out what he's up to and what he's doing. And

481
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 18: that was from the very very beginning. It's not like, oh,

482
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 18: I caught my boyfriend. She so I got to you know,

483
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 18: I follow him around everywhere. Nothing like that had ever

484
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 18: happened at this point. She's just following following him around.

485
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: Okay, that's totally freaky, you know. Alexis Tereschuk Crime online

486
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter also with lead stories dot Com.

487
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Speaker 1: I know you're hearing Chris Hughes and Karen Stark talking.

488
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: That's you know, when you get a hold of somebody

489
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: that starts, you know, following you around and following you

490
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. I told you, Alexis, I read my

491
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: husband's emails one time. I thought I was gonna die.

492
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: My eyes started to believe they were so boring it

493
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: was awful. I kept thinking, Oh, I gotta find something,

494
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: just something, nothing, There was nothing. I've never done it again.

495
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: I thought my head was going to blow off. If

496
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: you've got to follow somebody around and listen to the

497
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: bathroom door to hear if they're on the phone, then

498
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: you got the wrong person. Either they're making you insecure

499
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: or you just don't mix with that person. I would

500
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: hate to live a life like that, Alexis.

501
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 4: And she for your example with the emails, that's exactly

502
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 4: something she did. She would go through Travis's emails and

503
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 4: forward them to herself and delete things out of an email.

504
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 6: She was.

505
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 9: All her from the beginning.

506
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: Christopher Hughes, friend of Travis, and Jodi, author of Our

507
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: Friend Travis. Chris, did the friends notice there was something

508
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: wrong with the relationship.

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00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was kind of a freaky thing that happened,

510
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 6: but yeah, I mean, most people that knew Jody, well,

511
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 6: let me let me put it to this way, most

512
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 6: people that met Jody through Travis or through the business

513
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 6: didn't like her, just instinctively or intuitively. And most of

514
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 6: the most of the people that didn't like her were women.

515
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 6: And most of the women that didn't like her warned

516
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 6: Travis like, hey, she's not right. There's something not right

517
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 6: about her. I don't know what it is. I don't

518
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 6: get a good feeling from her. And he hated it.

519
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 6: And one night it happened in my own home. It

520
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 6: was such a freaky experience. But Travis and Jody, well,

521
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 6: I guess that comes along a little later. But Sky

522
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 6: and Jody went in the kitchen. Travis and I were

523
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 6: in my office and I get a text. My phone

524
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 6: is on my desk's face up and Sky texted me

525
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 6: and she said, she's driving me crazy, get her out

526
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 6: of here. And as soon as I saw it, Travis

527
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 6: was standing behind me. I flipped my phone over and

528
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 6: I started laughing because it was so awkward, and I

529
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 6: was hoping that Travis didn't read it, but I had

530
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 6: a feeling that he did, and he said, what's going on?

531
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 6: I said what? I was giggling just so uncomfortable, and

532
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 6: he said I saw that, Like what's going on? I said, Travis,

533
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 6: we need to talk and he said, we'll start talking.

534
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 6: He's really upset because he liked her so much. And

535
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 6: I said, well, let's wait till after dinner. You know,

536
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 6: I want Sky to be there. There's things that she's

537
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 6: observed and that I've observed, and I'd like to have

538
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 6: a conversation with you together. So later that night, Travis

539
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 6: and Jody getting a little spat. She goes to bed earlier,

540
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 6: at least we thought she did. And then Travis and

541
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 6: Sky and I the three of us were sitting on

542
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 6: my bed in my bedroom behind closed and locked door,

543
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 6: and we were talking for hours and we had just

544
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 6: gotten to kind of the.

545
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 5: I don't know the.

546
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 6: High point of the conversation or the whole point of

547
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 6: the conversation trying to tell her and I remember Sky

548
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 6: passionately was saying, Travis, you'll understand, like we think she's dangerous,

549
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 6: and he was defending her and saying dangerous and kidding

550
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 6: she wouldn't hurt a fly. You guys. She's so sweet,

551
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 6: she's so nice, and right as he's defending her. Sky

552
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 6: she has kind of a sixth sense, and she put

553
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 6: her finger to her lips to tell us to be quiet,

554
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 6: and then she pointed at the door and she she lives.

555
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 6: You know, she didn't even whisper, She kind of just

556
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 6: lift she's out there. And Travis looked mortified. He's thinking,

557
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 6: no way, no, she's not. And Sky's you know, nodding

558
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 6: her head up and down, saying, yes, she's out there.

559
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 6: She's out there. And Travis, right in the middle of

560
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 6: our conversation, he jumps off the bed and rips the

561
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 6: door open, and there's Jodyarius with her face to the door,

562
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 6: listening to our conversation at midnight upstairs on the opposite

563
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 6: end of the house from where her bet. She had

564
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 6: her own bedroom in her house. And it was the

565
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 6: scariest I mean literally, that moment was one of this,

566
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 6: if not the scariest moments in my life because of

567
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 6: her face. She had this evil and it's not twenty

568
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 6: twenty hindsight, you know what I mean, Like, oh, she

569
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 6: was a murderer, and oh yeah, that night was really scary.

570
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 6: We talked about it that night. In fact, Travis was

571
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 6: so embarrassed by this because he's literally defending her, saying

572
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 6: she's so nice and so sweet and so normally wouldn't

573
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 6: her to fly while she's eavesdropping in somebody else's house

574
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 6: at midnight outside our bedroom door, And so he was embarrassed.

575
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 6: As Jody go to bed, you know, come talk to you.

576
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 6: What are you doing? She's like, is everything okay, Everything's fine, Like,

577
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 6: go to sleep, I'll come talk to you later. So

578
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 6: she shut the door and I said, Travis, case in point, bro,

579
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 6: like that's what I'm talking about. Who does that?

580
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: Who does that?

581
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 6: Normal people don't do that? And then the conversation continued

582
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 6: for maybe another hour and we caught her again. We

583
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 6: caught her again eavesdropping on our conversation. When we caught

584
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 6: her the second time, I said, Travis, get out of here, dude.

585
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 6: I was like, go down there, go handle that, like

586
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 6: we're done. Conversation's done. If you don't get it, there's nothing,

587
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 6: I mean, there's nothing more I can do. But what

588
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 6: Jody said was excuse me. What Sky said was she said, Travis,

589
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 6: where afraid we're going to find you chopped up in

590
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 6: her freezer. That's that's what Sky said moments before we

591
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 6: discovered that Jody was eavesdropping outside our bedroom door.

592
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: Chris, you got to tell me, You have to tell

593
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: me what was it that she did? What was it

594
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: about her that made you feel that, that made Sky

595
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: feel that? What did she do?

596
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 8: Well?

597
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 6: At this point, you know, keep in mind, she had

598
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 6: already admitted to us that she had been stealing, getting

599
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 6: into Travis's emails. She already admitted she'd been getting into

600
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 6: a cell phone, she'd been tracking his conversations with other women.

601
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 6: And keep in mind they were not in a relationship.

602
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 6: They were just trying to figure out if they wanted

603
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 6: to be in a relationship. She's following him around the house.

604
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 6: She's becoming like a chameleon. We watch a personality shift

605
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 6: from one person to the other depending on where she

606
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 6: goes and he she's with and what she's doing. And

607
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 6: so it was all of those things that were kind

608
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 6: of creeping us out in the background. But once we

609
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 6: saw that she's in our house and she eavesdropping on

610
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 6: a very private conversation, and it was the look in

611
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 6: her face, it was a cold, murderous and again not

612
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 6: twenty twenty hindsight, after she killed him. Sky and I

613
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 6: were holding hands laying the bed at two o'clock in

614
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 6: the morning, and she said, Chris, did you see that look?

615
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 6: I said, of course, I saw that look A scary

616
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 6: one of scarce things I've ever said I saw. And

617
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 6: she said seeing excuse me? And she said, do you

618
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 6: think our kids are safe? Should we go and get

619
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 6: the kids and bring them into our bedroom? And then

620
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 6: she said, Chris, she's evil. She could burn our house

621
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 6: down like that. That's what was It was that look

622
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 6: that was so frightening, that gives you chills and causes

623
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 6: the hairs on the back of your neck to stand up.

624
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 6: I've never experienced anything like it before nor since.

625
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crimeonline dot com.

626
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 17: It didn't take long for the relations to cool, partly

627
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 17: because of Travis Alexander's interest in other women. Picture Perfect

628
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 17: author SHANEA.

629
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Speaker 1: Hogan.

630
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Speaker 3: Jody went through his phone and discovered these floority messages

631
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: to other women, and she decided to end the relationship

632
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 3: at that point. But at the same time, Travis was

633
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 3: looking to end the relationship.

634
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 17: And partly because of arius his possessiveness. The couple did

635
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 17: end the relationship, but continued to be friends with benefits.

636
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: Things finally began to cool down, how well.

637
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 4: Jody actually moved about a thousand miles away from Travis.

638
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 4: He was living in Phoenix, Arizona. She at this point

639
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 4: had no job. She wasn't living with him, she wasn't

640
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 4: living with any of our other ex boyfriends. She kind

641
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 4: of had no options, you know, she had no boyfriend,

642
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 4: no job, So she moved back home to Wyreka, California,

643
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 4: which is kind of right on the border of California

644
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 4: and Oregon. It's very northern California. Her family owned a

645
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 4: restaurant and she moved back there. So they were not

646
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 4: really in contact in person. They kept up. They're very

647
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 4: spicy sex, sohne sex conversations.

648
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: Alexis, hold on, hold on, so they break up? Paul, Wait,

649
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: let me go to Chris. He's longtime friend of Travis Alexander's.

650
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: Did he reveal to you that he and Jody had

651
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: broken up?

652
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 6: You know, it's all so fuzzy to me, and I mean,

653
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 6: I'm really in all the conversations I had with Travis,

654
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 6: I don't ever remember him telling me he was with her.

655
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 6: You know, hey, she's my girlfriend now, you know, we're

656
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 6: in a committed, loving relationship. We never had that conversation,

657
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 6: so there was never there was no conversation to be

658
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 6: had on the back end, you know, to say, hey,

659
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 6: we're update, we're broken up now. But the only thing

660
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 6: that he ever did say to me is he would complain.

661
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 6: He would complain about her, you know, little things here

662
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 6: and there. He never told me about the big things.

663
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 6: Because if he told me about the big things, like

664
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Speaker 6: like slashing his tires and stealing things from his house,

665
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 6: you know, I would have been like, you know, I

666
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 6: told you, did I tell you? Didn't I tell you

667
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 6: she was nuts? So he wouldn't. He would never tell

668
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 6: me about the big like really violating psychotic things that

669
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 6: she was doing. And I had to find out about

670
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 6: and much of this after the fact. Unfortunately.

671
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: Well, you're absolutely right, Chris Hughes. Take a listen to

672
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: our friends at ABC's twenty twenty.

673
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 13: I absolutely know that she was stalking him many times,

674
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 13: just like when she went in through the back door

675
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 13: when he was kissing another girl in his couch. I mean,

676
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 13: she's spying on him. That's what's really happening there.

677
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: She slashed his tires, She broke into his email account,

678
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: she hacked into his Facebook page, she broke into his

679
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 3: house and stole his journals. She read his diary. She

680
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: just did these crazy stalking behaviors.

681
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: Okay, whoa wait, it's just like drinking from the fire hydrant.

682
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: There's just so much here you can't drink it all

683
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: in it once. Alexis Tereschuk speaking of her showing up

684
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: after they're broken up. Okay, so they break up, she

685
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: shows up at his home. What a cooinky dink that

686
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 1: it's when he has a date with another woman. Now

687
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: you know she was hacking into his email and text

688
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: his phone messages. She knew they had a date, and

689
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: so she was hanging around stalking out his you know,

690
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: really watching him.

691
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 4: Would have been arrested, could have been arrested for being

692
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 4: like a peeping tom, for trespassing.

693
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: And can you imagine You've got a date, you don't

694
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: really know the person, and you're potentially sharing your first

695
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: kiss on the sofa, and then out of the corner

696
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: of your eye you see Jody aries his head loom

697
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: up behind the bushes.

698
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 4: And it's terrified. Not only Travis, but all his roommates

699
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: were really afraid of her. And then he gets up

700
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 4: one morning and his tires are splashed his new car,

701
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 4: and they immediately there's not even a question in anyone's mind.

702
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 4: They're not thinking, oh, this is maybe some teenage pranksters

703
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 4: in the neighborhood. No, everybody knew it, Jody Area. There

704
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 4: wasn't a share. What is the phrase, an ounce of gout.

705
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 4: I'm living a shred of doubt?

706
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 14: Shred?

707
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: Oh thank you?

708
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? And what about that Chris he is he

709
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: never told you that he suspected Jody Arius of slitting

710
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: his tires.

711
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 6: Towards the very end, he did because it was I mean,

712
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 6: it had gotten out, you know, we were all talking

713
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 6: about it because it happened twice. It didn't just happen

714
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 6: one time. It happened twice, and it was on a

715
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 6: BMW And anybody who's ever owned a BMW, those tires

716
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 6: are about, you know, three to five hundred dollars each,

717
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 6: and it was a bit. It was devastating, you know, financially,

718
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 6: he wasn't in a good spot and here's the cycle

719
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 6: pass cutting his tires. And I remember the second time

720
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 6: he didn't even know what he's going to do. He

721
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 6: was so distraught financially, you know what he couldn't pay for.

722
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 6: He couldn't pay for another Tire's like, how many times

723
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 6: do I have to do this with this woman?

724
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: Wow? So did he ever talk to you about when

725
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: she kind of like rose up in the wind the

726
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: day while he was kissing his new date.

727
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 6: No, he wouldn't. You never brought that up.

728
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of stalking steaking out, the two weren't technically

729
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: broken up, but one thing seemed to hold them together

730
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: a hot sex life. Listen you are.

731
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 19: When we took a bath together, that was that was surreal.

732
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 19: I honestly, I think I mean maybe a candle light,

733
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 19: the bubbles all had something to do with it. But

734
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 19: you were amazing. You made me seriously, you made me

735
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 19: feel like I got it. It wasn't saneuine like worshiping me,

736
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 19: but you were. You made me feel like I was

737
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 19: the most freaking beautiful woman on the whole planner. I

738
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 19: so felt like I was got it. And so aside

739
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 19: from all those forms are you feeling? It was so

740
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 19: sexy and it was so hot?

741
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 20: Oh gosh, well that's it wasn't hard to do were

742
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 20: freaking you were.

743
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 6: You are.

744
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 19: Yourself. Yeah, I'm already I just started.

745
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you to the treat.

746
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 6: I'm going to tell you to a treat.

747
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 19: Oh my gosh, that is so debasing. I like it.

748
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: Okay. So that's just a tiny tidbit of the fantasy

749
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: life and the phone sex life that Arius was serving up.

750
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: And Travis Alexander fell for it, and yes he went

751
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: along with it. Yes he continued to have sex with Jody.

752
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: Arius to Alexis Terrest joining me crime online dot Com, Alexis,

753
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: How was Jody Arias still seeing Travis Alexander. I mean

754
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: she lives a whole state away.

755
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 4: They she would drive down and meet him, and they

756
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 4: would meet up. They would have their secret rom David.

757
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 4: In fact, he even told her that he was going

758
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 4: to take her on a trip that he was He

759
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 4: was going on a business trip where he was it

760
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 4: was a reward for the highest sellers, and he was

761
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 4: going to take Jody on this trip to Kangou, Mexico

762
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 4: with him. So even but this is what he told

763
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: her now is.

764
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: That the same trip ended up planning to take another woman.

765
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 4: Yep, changed his mind. After things went they had kept

766
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 4: up their phone sex they saw each other. She would

767
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 4: drive down there secretly, but then he told her, I'm

768
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 4: not taking you anymore. I'm going to take another woman.

769
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: And her response was to drive all the way I guess,

770
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: across the desert to get to him and have a

771
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: day of marathon sex to convince him to take her.

772
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Jodi Arius convicted in the

773
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: brutal murderer of her ex boyfriend Travis Alexander, stabbing him

774
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: at least twenty nine times. There were so many stabs

775
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: he couldn't really tell because they were overlapping, plus shooting

776
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: him in the head. Let's take a look at the

777
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: facts that supported her guilty conviction. Here we see her

778
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: driving across the desert for this day of marathon sex

779
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: to convince Travis Alexander that he should take her to

780
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: can Kun and not him. Chris Hughes, longtime friend of Travis.

781
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: Did you know there was can Came business trip coming up?

782
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 6: Absolutely? Yeah. Travis and I were supposed to go together.

783
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 6: We had been planning it for a long time. He

784
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 6: never mentioned to me that he was going to take Jody. Well,

785
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 6: I shouldn't say never mentioned. I don't remember it at

786
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 6: this point. If he did say he was going to

787
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 6: be taking Jody, but these things you qualify, you know,

788
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 6: and then it's several months I mean, maybe even six

789
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 6: months more that you have to wait before you before

790
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 6: you actually take the trip. And so the last I

791
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 6: don't know, maybe the last month of Travis's life, he

792
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 6: had this major scheme. You know, he had this plan.

793
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 6: He was so excited about it because he was dating, well,

794
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 6: he was interested in this new woman. She was not

795
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 6: really interested in him. She just was more about friendship.

796
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 6: But he had this whole plan about you know, hey,

797
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 6: if she sees me in my element and sees me

798
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 6: with all of my colleagues and how I am with

799
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 6: you and how I am with your kids, you know,

800
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 6: maybe she'll see a different side of me and start

801
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 6: to like me, you know, in a romantic way. So

802
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 6: he was putting this whole thing together, and yeah, we

803
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 6: were supposed to be on that trip together.

804
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: So on the eve of the trip, Jody Arius literally

805
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: crosses the desert to convince Travis Alexander that she was

806
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: the best one to go with him to King Kun

807
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: Take and listen to Zach Billings speaking to me that day.

808
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 6: I remember.

809
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 21: I was actually watching a movie with my girlfriend at the.

810
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: Time or my wife now, and.

811
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 21: I remember getting a knock on my door and Travis's

812
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 21: friends came to the door and they said, have you

813
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 21: seen Travis? And I said, well, no, I haven't seen Travis.

814
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 21: He's supposed to be in Cancun or out on vacation

815
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 21: right now. And they said, yes, he is, but he's

816
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 21: supposed to be here with me, with me me And

817
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 21: so I said, well, have you checked his bedroom? And

818
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 21: that was my first thought. So they said, well, no,

819
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 21: we have in the doors locked. And I said, I

820
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 21: think he keeps a spare set of keys downstairs. So

821
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 21: I went downstairs and I searched for him and grabbed

822
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 21: a few sets of keys and came back upstairs and

823
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 21: tried a few different sets of keys, and one of

824
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 21: them happened to be his bedroom key, And as soon

825
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 21: as the door was opened, my heart just sank. On

826
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 21: the right hand side, I did end up seeing a

827
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 21: pool of blood and looked down the hallway and saw

828
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 21: the just blood strewn throughout the hallway, and my heart

829
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 21: just sank. I ended up going into the closet that's

830
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 21: adjacent to the hallway and it opens up to the

831
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 21: bathroom as well, and that's when I saw his body

832
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 21: and I came back out and I just told everybody

833
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 21: he's DEADED called nine one one.

834
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 22: What's going on?

835
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 23: As friend was dead in his bedroom. We hadn't heard

836
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 23: from him for a while.

837
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 9: We think he's dead.

838
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 23: His roommates this one in there and so they bought

839
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 23: some blood. I didn't know that. I can give you

840
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 23: the song to someone who went in there.

841
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 22: Can yes, please name hi? So what's going on?

842
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 1: He's dead?

843
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 22: He's in his bedroom, Okay, in the shower. Okay, how

844
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 22: did this happen? Do you have any idea?

845
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: We have no idea.

846
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 6: Everyone's been wondering about him.

847
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 22: For she said that there's blood, So is it coming

848
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 22: from his head?

849
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 19: Did he?

850
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 6: It's all over the place?

851
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 22: Hold on just a moment. Okay, you're a good friend

852
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 22: of Travis's. Okay, Because he'd been depressed at all thinking

853
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 22: about any suicide anything like that.

854
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 9: I don't think he's been seeing Tom because he's been

855
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 9: really depressed because he broke up with this girl and

856
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 9: he was a upset about that. But I don't think

857
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 9: he would actually kill himself over that.

858
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 22: Has he been the by anyone recently he.

859
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 9: Has he hasn't He has an ex girlfriend that's been

860
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 9: bothering him and following him and flashing tires and things

861
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 9: like that.

862
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 22: And you know the ex girlfriend seeing his Her name

863
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 22: is Jody, but no one.

864
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: Had reported her behavior to police. As the rest of

865
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Speaker 1: that nine one one call goes, you are hearing the

866
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: nine one one call when friends find Travis Alexander not

867
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: only stabbed multiple times but shot dead in his shower stall.

868
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: Listen to this.

869
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 22: The roommate, when was the last time he saw Travis?

870
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 23: Was it three days ago?

871
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 9: That do you?

872
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 19: Guys?

873
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 9: When we welcome yourself that I mean Travis. They want

874
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 9: to know that, some of them.

875
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 6: Last time I saw him was what last birthday party?

876
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 23: The last one I ever seen him was last third day?

877
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 9: Me saw last two days on our last Monday. She

878
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 9: talked to him last Monday.

879
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 22: Okay, and everyone is out of the house. There's no

880
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 22: one else in the house.

881
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 9: No no one in the house.

882
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 22: And what is your name?

883
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 9: My name is Michelle. I need to ask a friend

884
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 9: something here. I'm giving the phone to me. Okay, Okay, Hi, Hi's.

885
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 6: Business partner.

886
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 4: Okay, And this is okay.

887
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 23: The tub is in his bedroom.

888
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, this is the bathroom off Travis Alexander's bedroom,

889
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: though phone has now been handed off to another friend

890
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: named me.

891
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 23: Listen, I didn't go in, but from what I heard

892
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 23: his dreammateen in, they fled in his bedroom behind the door. Uh.

893
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 23: And and then he said it's all over. And then

894
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 23: they went in the bathroom and in his shower. Oh.

895
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 19: And you know his his his bedroom is where in

896
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 19: the house.

897
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 23: It's upstairs. And if you go up the stairs, it's

898
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 23: on the left. It's the first door on your left.

899
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 23: It's the only door on your.

900
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 22: Left, okay.

901
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 23: And and it's just a big master, sweet bedroom.

902
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 17: That day, and I don't know.

903
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 23: She's talking to his friend right now. And there's a

904
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 23: girl that sends stocking him and and and she's trying

905
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 23: and he's trying to know, Uh, you might not with

906
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 23: some information. I hope my phone doesn't die. I'm on

907
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 23: like one bar of battery.

908
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 22: Okay, Well, I'm just gonna keep you on the phone

909
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 22: until officers are right, either officers or pyramis right.

910
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 23: Okay, Okay, I think I can say the same.

911
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: You're hearing a very disjointed but shocking nine one one call.

912
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: But to Chris Hughes' longtime friend of Travis Alexander, inspirational speaker,

913
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: author of a number one Amazon bestseller, Our Friend Travis,

914
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: The Travis Alexander Story. Chris Hughes is with us. Chris,

915
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 1: do you remember and Travis's body was found stabbed over

916
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: twenty times and shot in the head.

917
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 9: I do.

918
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 6: I'll never forget it. I was in Mexico waiting for Travis.

919
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 6: He was supposed to arrive the next day, and I'd

920
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 6: been calling him and no answer and no reply to

921
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 6: texts or anything. And so I actually was going to

922
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 6: call the police to do a check on him, and

923
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 6: my then wife Guy said, well, you know, they'll just

924
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 6: check the outside of the house. We need to have

925
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 6: somebody go in. And so it's just interesting how this

926
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 6: whole story played out. We called other friends who showed

927
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 6: up just after those people that we just heard, you know,

928
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 6: that other group of friends had showed up and found Travis.

929
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 6: And I was waiting for a phone call back from

930
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 6: the friends that we sent over, and it was the

931
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 6: middle of the night that I got a call from

932
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 6: a friend and I'll never forget what he said. He said,

933
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 6: pet Dog, which is what we called him. Said, Chris P.

934
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 6: Dodg is dead.

935
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: You know, Alexis Tereschak, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter,

936
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: that nil one call started a series of events that

937
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: I will never forget. Alexis, you and I have covered

938
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: a lot of NAIMO one calls together, and I've played

939
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: a lot of NIMO one calls for Juris. But what's

940
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: so interesting is the raw emotion and so often the

941
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: dead on accuracy. These witnesses that find his body say

942
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: he's had a girl stalking him. I mean, right then,

943
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: they're calling it exactly.

944
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 4: There was no oh, maybe somebody broke in and did this.

945
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 4: Maybe he did this to himself. They knew immediately who

946
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 4: it was, and they named it. They didn't even say, oh,

947
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 4: maybe I shouldn't say no. Travis's frowns. Who were They're

948
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 4: shaking their voices, they're shaking with emotions. Save Jody. This

949
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 4: woman has been stalking him. He is very upset because

950
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 4: she's bothering him so much. And they said, oh, and

951
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 4: he would not have killed himself. This is the result

952
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 4: of somebody else killing.

953
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean, let's care real. Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,

954
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: kill yourself, what stabbing yourself. What was it twenty They

955
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: couldn't actually tell twenty nine times. Some people would argue

956
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: back and forth twenty seven versus twenty eight versus twenty

957
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: nine because there were so many stab wounds they were

958
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: on top of each other, so you couldn't really tell

959
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: how many times he was stabbed plus shot in the

960
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: head and left to decomposing his own shower.

961
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 24: Yeah, and that's the key, Nancy, Hey, Listen, the reason

962
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 24: they couldn't actually come to a definitive number was because

963
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 24: decomposition was in a moderate to advanced stage, and so

964
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 24: you couldn't fully appreciate. But what the friends saw when

965
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 24: they walked in was an absolute horror show. Because what

966
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 24: they could you don't need an MD in order to

967
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 24: understand or make a diagnosis in that moment, because there

968
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 24: is bloodstaining everywhere. He's crumpled up in the bottom of

969
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 24: this bath, in this you know this, in this shower stall,

970
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 24: and he literally crumpled up in there, in my opinion,

971
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 24: because he was deposited there. He wasn't killed in the shower.

972
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 24: He was killed elsewhere, and then he was placed in

973
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 24: the shower and he was essentially thrown away. He was

974
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 24: essentially left behind to.

975
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: Alexis Terreschuk crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter, isn't it true?

976
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: The last person known to be with Travis Alexander before

977
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: he's murdered is Jody Arius. Why was she there? They

978
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: were broken up exactly.

979
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 4: She seems like she was there. She wanted to go

980
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 4: on this trip to kankun Travis had really just done

981
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 4: so well in work and he was getting this big

982
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 4: trip and he told her, I'm not taking you, I

983
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 4: am taking another woman. So she comes in from out

984
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 4: of town to try to convince him to take her

985
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 4: and spend the night with him like a wild night,

986
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 4: which was, well, well.

987
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: What a wild night? What do you mean they went partying?

988
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 4: Nope, they had wild sex. And the reason that I

989
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 4: know this happened in the one else's bedroom is because

990
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 4: there were pictures of their wild night, including she was

991
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 4: tied up in his bed.

992
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 1: In the aftermath of Travis's brutal murder, twenty nine stab

993
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: wounds and one gunshot wound to the head right there,

994
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: Let me pause to Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University, Joe Scott,

995
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: what does that tell you? Twenty nine stab wounds a

996
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: gunshot wound to the head. How many times over was

997
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: Travis Alexander.

998
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 24: Kill multiple Nancy and she You know, the thing about

999
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 24: it is is that the injuries that Travis sustained, there's

1000
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 24: any number of them that are lethal. In this particular case, amazingly,

1001
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 24: the gunshot was not Amazingly the gunshot wound that he

1002
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 24: sustained which entered right above his right eye, and the

1003
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 24: round actually lodged in his left cheek. There was no

1004
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 24: hemorrhage in that wound track, So that gives us an

1005
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 24: indication that was probably done after death. But where she

1006
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 24: really killed him was or his death, his march toward

1007
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 24: death started in that shower. She actually nailed with the

1008
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 24: knife his vena cava, which is a large vessel that

1009
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 24: comes off of the heart. And when we look at

1010
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 24: the scene, you can see that he has projectiled blood

1011
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 24: all over the sink. He had an awareness of this, Nancy.

1012
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 24: He tried to fight her off. He had injuries to

1013
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 24: his hands that were consistent with Sharpoard's injuries, defensive wounds,

1014
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 24: and of course as he crawled away, just trying to

1015
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 24: get away, Nancy, she slid his throat almost from ear

1016
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 24: to ear. She went through not his not just his

1017
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 24: jugler vein, not just his karates, but she also cut

1018
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 24: his trachia that supplies the lungs with air. And when

1019
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 24: you see the scene, when you see it, it is

1020
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 24: an absolute blood bath. Nancy.

1021
00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: Guys. Of course, in the aftermath of travis murder, areas,

1022
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: of course is questioned because she was there that day.

1023
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: Take a listen to what Jodi Arius tells k tv K.

1024
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 25: And you thought that he was sad some twenty seven

1025
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 25: times and shout once in that life of cheek, what hope.

1026
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 12: Could have done this?

1027
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 26: I don't know who do you think and killed him?

1028
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 25: I have no idea.

1029
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 4: Do you think that it was a random thing or

1030
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 4: somebody that knew him? I mean, this is a guy

1031
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 4: that you were pretty close to.

1032
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 25: This was a guy I was close to at a

1033
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 25: time when we were really trying to move apart from

1034
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,479
Speaker 25: each other. So I mean, there were certain details about

1035
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 25: his life that.

1036
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 26: I never did know about.

1037
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 25: And there are even more details that I I did

1038
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 25: not know about as in as well as details about

1039
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 25: my life that he didn't know about because I had

1040
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 25: moved on. I had moved to California, so we were

1041
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 25: making a sincere effort to grow apart and to be

1042
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 25: a part and to move on. But nonetheless he did

1043
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 25: remain a close friend of mine. And I just can't

1044
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 25: make it.

1045
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of what Jodi Arias says.

1046
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 9: Where do you at Travis's house on Wednesday?

1047
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 22: Absolutely not?

1048
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 26: It was nowhere near Mesa, was nowhere near No Phoenix.

1049
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 26: I wasn't even close to him.

1050
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 5: Where to show you proofy were there?

1051
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 19: How would a change your mind?

1052
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 26: I wasn't there. Can you be honest with you, Joey,

1053
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:41,959
Speaker 26: I was not at.

1054
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: Travis's house, He was not was not at Travis's house.

1055
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: But then that pesky little digiKam lexis Terreschuk raises its

1056
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: ugly head as if it were a little monster. What

1057
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: else was revealed on the digicam? And where was it found?

1058
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 4: So the camera was actually found in the washing machine

1059
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 4: in Travis's house, which means that somebody was trying to

1060
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 4: hide it, so it was thrown in there and washed,

1061
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 4: but the police weren't able to take it and had

1062
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 4: a SIM card in it, so it was like a

1063
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 4: little tiny floppy disk if anyone remembers that, and it

1064
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 4: had all the images on there, so the police were

1065
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 4: abady pulled us up. So they see the naked pictures

1066
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 4: of Jody tied to the bag from their wild text nights.

1067
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 4: But then they also see pictures of Travis naked in

1068
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 4: the shower, standing up alive, looking at Jody covered in water.

1069
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 4: And after that there are a couple of shots that

1070
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 4: actually show basically the crime being committed, and that shows

1071
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 4: you know her, I believe her arm is in there.

1072
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 4: And this is what the police say. Oh my gosh,

1073
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 4: we basically have photographic evidence.

1074
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: Kerk Nurmi, who was appointed to represent Jody arias trial,

1075
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure how you would get around that

1076
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: at trial because your client tried hovels across the desert

1077
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: with a not red rental car with gas cans full

1078
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: of gas, gets there, has a marathon day of sex

1079
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: trying to convince Alexander to take her to Cancun, not

1080
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: his new girlfriend. It's all on digit cam. And at

1081
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: the end of that series of sex photos, whoa, there's

1082
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: Jody Arius's leg and a pair of her pants on

1083
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Speaker 1: a bloody crime scene. Oops. I guess the real killer

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01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: snuck in and use her. Did you cam all right?

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Speaker 12: Nancy? Remember, by the time I got the case matters

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01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 12: were worse because after Detective Flores confronted her with these

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Speaker 12: pictures proof she was there, she comes up with this

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Speaker 12: story about two mask intruders coming into the bathroom, killing

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01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 12: Travis and threatening to kill her. If she just said

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Speaker 12: anything and.

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Speaker 1: Then masked intruders, you're absolutely correct. How could I forget

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Speaker 1: the mask intruders and they weren't just masked? Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to this.

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Speaker 19: I turned around.

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Speaker 1: There two people where one was a guy and one

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Speaker 1: was a girl.

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Speaker 26: I couldn't tell that at first, but I could just

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Speaker 26: see one was a girl, and I assue the other

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Speaker 26: was a guy.

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Speaker 1: Because they're build.

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Speaker 19: And then their voices, I.

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Speaker 26: Don't remember if they were wearing like maybe jeans.

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Speaker 22: What did they say?

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01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 26: One was in all black, one was in jeans.

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Speaker 19: I don't say anything. What words did you hear?

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Speaker 21: Phrases?

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Speaker 19: Who is that? Who is that?

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Speaker 17: I thought he was by himself or alone.

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Speaker 26: Or something, and he was like, should just finish it?

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Speaker 26: And Travis was screaming the whole time.

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Speaker 19: He wasn't screaming like a girl.

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Speaker 26: He was just like like he was in pain, Like

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01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 26: he was like shocked, like oh, you know, he took.

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Speaker 1: Off I read and he.

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Speaker 13: Wasn't.

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Speaker 19: He was still put conscious and still alive.

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Speaker 1: And I just loved them there, Kirk Nurmi, I never

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01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: thought this would happen, but I actually, just a tiny,

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Speaker 1: tiny sliver of me actually feel sorry for you because

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Speaker 1: your client changes her story from I wasn't there to okay, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: you've got me on the digit camp. I was there,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't do it. Two ninjas did it, dressed

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Speaker 1: in solid black, a man and a woman. They murder

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Speaker 1: Travis and I run out and save my own life.

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Speaker 1: But I don't call police. Okay, what Kirk, when you

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Speaker 1: hear what you're confronted with, what you've got to somehow

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Speaker 1: try to explain away to a jury what's going through

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Speaker 1: your mind?

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Speaker 12: Well, remember, see, I think your sympathy for me in

1130
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 12: this situation should be a little more than slight. Because

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Speaker 12: this is the beginning of her press tour, right, she

1132
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Speaker 12: famously goes on national.

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Speaker 6: TV talks about the ninja story.

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Speaker 12: She goes on to you know, talk about their sex

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Speaker 12: life and everything else about the relationship that paints herself

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01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 12: in the best light. She's enjoying this limelight. This makes

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Speaker 12: it all the worse, and she famously does an interview

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01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 12: where she says, no jury will convict me. So again,

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Speaker 12: like I said earlier, the cards were definitely attacked against me.

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Speaker 12: The reality was there. And keep in mind, this wasn't

1141
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 12: just a murder case, this was a death penalty case.

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01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 12: I had to begin to figure out a way to

1143
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 12: try to save miss Areus's life. That became my priority.

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Speaker 1: That's really hard when your client goes on TV and

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01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:52,479
Speaker 1: changes stories including a male and a female ninja did it? Chris,

1146
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: He's joining me longtime friend of Travis Alexander's Chris, Well,

1147
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: you heard they. I didn't do it, changed too, a

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01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: man and a woman ninja did it? And I fled

1149
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: to save my own life. How'd that strike you?

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Speaker 6: It's preposterous, you know, I mean, I don't know what

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01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 6: else to say. It's just it's where where was she

1152
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 6: going with that? And you know what's interesting about Jody Aerius.

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Speaker 6: Other's lots obviously interesting. But she says that that as

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01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 6: she was leaving the house, she said, quote, I did

1155
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 6: something I was ashamed of. She said. There was a

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01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 6: little girl playing in the front yard, and she said

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01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 6: that she Jody said that she backed up without looking

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01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 6: behind her. So no mention of leaving Travis Alexander, you know,

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01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 6: dying inside this house at the hands of these two ninjas.

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01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 6: She was ashamed of herself for backing out of the

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01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 6: driveway without looking behind.

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Speaker 1: Her as it moves forward. I want you to take

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Speaker 1: a list, Mike. Evidence is mounting. Take a Listen to

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Speaker 1: our cut thirty two. This is ABC's Ryan Owens.

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Speaker 7: But prosecutors allege Arius is a stalker who brutally attacked

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01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 7: her x in a jealous rage when she found out

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01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 7: he was seeing other women. A mountain of forensic evidence,

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Speaker 7: including pictures taken on this camera, found in Alexander's washing machine.

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Speaker 7: Prosecutors say Arias literally tried to wash that evidence away,

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Speaker 7: but on its memory card, detectives discovered not just those

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01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 7: racy photos from the couple's sexual encounter the day of

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01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 7: the murder, but a series of twenty shots of Alexander

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Speaker 7: posing in the shower minutes before his death. Prosecutors say

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Speaker 7: Arias put down the camera and picked up a knife,

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Speaker 7: stabbing her unsuspecting victim. The most damning picture comes after

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Speaker 7: the camera was dropped. The jury saw a shot of

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Speaker 7: what appears to be Arius actually moving the bloody body

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Speaker 7: prosecutor say she was especially cold blooded after the crime.

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Speaker 7: They played this voicemail areas left on Alexander's phone a

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Speaker 7: few hours after she killed him. Morbidly enough, she invited

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Speaker 7: a man she knew was dead to come.

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Speaker 6: Visit her.

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Speaker 1: During the police interrogation. Of course, we see Arias on

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Speaker 1: close circuit TV doing headstands and singing and talking to herself.

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Speaker 1: But you gotta hand it to veteran defense attorney Kirk Nurmi,

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Speaker 1: who is left wondering what am I gonna do? Now?

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to kirk Nurmi and a valiant hal

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Speaker 1: Mary in court.

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Speaker 20: Something did happen in this moment of time. And the

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Speaker 20: point of this, I think is what this evidence shows

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01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 20: you is that either what happened is that Jody Aris

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Speaker 20: defended herself and didn't know I went to stop, or

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Speaker 20: she gave in to a sudden heat of passion from

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Speaker 20: a fight that began up in that bathroom. And then

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Speaker 20: what she did she did under that sudden heat of

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Speaker 20: passion demonstrative of that is this idea. She doesn't remember

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Speaker 20: any of it. So what I'm saying to you, ladies

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Speaker 20: and gentlemen, is, ultimately, if miss Arius is guilty of.

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Speaker 24: Any crime at all. It is the crime of manslaughter

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Speaker 24: and nothing more.

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Speaker 1: Chris, He used, where were you when the guilty of

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Speaker 1: art it was announced?

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Speaker 6: I was in the courtroom.

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Speaker 1: Can you describe that moment?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it felt like it would never come,

1206
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:54,480
Speaker 6: and every second felt like an eternity. And I remember

1207
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Speaker 6: my heart felt like it was going to beat out

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Speaker 6: of my chests, and I remember feeling short of breath

1209
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Speaker 6: and always having to remind myself to breathe and taking

1210
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Speaker 6: deep breaths. And you know, it feels it almost as

1211
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Speaker 6: I look back now. I mean, it feels like a

1212
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Speaker 6: dream state. But when we got the guilty verdict, you know,

1213
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Speaker 6: it doesn't make any of this go away, right. It

1214
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Speaker 6: was a weird thing. You'd think that there would be

1215
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 6: some sort of relief, and I guess there was some

1216
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 6: relief to a degree, but it just wasn't what I

1217
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 6: had hoped, you know, because I realized in that moment

1218
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 6: that she was guilty. Travis wasn't coming back.

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Speaker 1: Convicted killer Jody Arius now signaling a brand new legal

1220
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: push to defeat a jury's guilty verdict. That chance, Arius, Oh, well,

1221
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 1: that chance, I mean, there's always a chance like a

1222
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: snowball's chance in hill. But there is a chance, There

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Speaker 1: is chance. We wait as justice I'm false. Goodbye form