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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, we continue our position

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Speaker 1: by position breakdown ahead of the new league year. Right now,

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Speaker 1: we'll focus on the defensive line. It's a young group

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Speaker 1: that may get younger though. There are some intriguing names

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Speaker 1: that are currently and may soon become available on the

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Speaker 1: free agent market. But first it won't happen again. What

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Speaker 1: was GM, Steve Kay, I'm referring to it's Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: episode three ninety six, and it starts now. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two with Craig grigolew and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals

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Speaker 1: near sight of Fritz barb Head. He's into the ends

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Speaker 1: off for the touchdown. Here's Craig Grielou and Mike Jarecki

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Speaker 1: for starters. M Jade, you have a good weekend. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't productive. I mean, I did try to get some

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Speaker 1: watching college basketball. I watched Michigan Ohio State and kind

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Speaker 1: of like, okay, how do you compare this to the

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Speaker 1: football aspect? And you know, obviously it's a big ten

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Speaker 1: matchup and they don't like each other. So I watched that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't watch some hockey. I wanted to see Lake Tahoe.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately the sun was out too long and they had

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Speaker 1: to move the game. It was like slush out there.

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Speaker 1: It's still in the rear view mirror, but it's still

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Speaker 1: close enough to where it's still fresh talking about the

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Speaker 1: National Football League, and really since our last show, we

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Speaker 1: have now had a chance to hear from general manager

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Speaker 1: Steve Come. He appeared on Doug and Wolf on ninety

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Speaker 1: discussed over what was a twenty plus minut an interview,

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Speaker 1: but the one big takeaway at least that I had

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Speaker 1: aside from all of the difficult decisions that have been

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Speaker 1: or will be made with respect to a much lower

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Speaker 1: salary cap, something owner Michael Bidwell brought up as well penalties,

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Speaker 1: the fact that this team in twenty twenty led the

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Speaker 1: league and penalties, and according to Kim MJ, he said,

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Speaker 1: this quote is not going to happen again. End quote.

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Speaker 1: You talk about a point of emphasis in the off

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Speaker 1: It's going to be eliminates. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: it eliminate those presnap penalties, presnap and post snap penalties,

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Speaker 1: which we discussed here. Those were certainly huge as far

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Speaker 1: Cardinals got beat fifty eight nothing against the Seahawks, and

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Speaker 1: Kim said that would never happen again, and during that

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Speaker 1: offseason he went out and made a trade for Chandler Jones. Now,

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Speaker 1: you can't make a trade to get rid of these penalties.

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Speaker 1: But you know, to me, it starts with the head coach.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's got to be some discipline. I know

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Speaker 1: he's a player's coach and he doesn't take a long

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Speaker 1: time when it comes to meetings, pretty on point, and

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Speaker 1: I think players respect that because when you come in

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Speaker 1: like that, you can't change midstream. Now, you can have

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Speaker 1: other guys in the staff usually want to have one

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Speaker 1: or two yellows on the staff to let everyone know,

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Speaker 1: but you know, you did all the work here. So

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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty one total penalties. One hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirteen accepted. You mentioned eighteens finished with one hundred excepted penalties.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals average seven point one penalties a game. There were

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks where it got better. But when

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Speaker 1: you look at the totality and the pre snap penalties

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Speaker 1: then you look at the fall start penalties on the

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Speaker 1: mental layers, and sometimes the Cardinals are running different personnel

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Speaker 1: in so you may have a delay a game. That

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Speaker 1: stuff happens when you're when you're bringing in ten to

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Speaker 1: You cannot shoot yourselves in the foot, and we know

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Speaker 1: when it came to some of these penalties they put

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Speaker 1: or serviceable rundown. It's a passing down now, and you're

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Speaker 1: So somebody's got to make somebody's got to have accountability there,

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Speaker 1: can be huge. And I get not all penalties are

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Speaker 1: to play smart, and that's what this team really needs

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Speaker 1: to focus on this offseason. Yeah, talent is one thing,

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Speaker 1: I mean when you start looking at the list that

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Speaker 1: I think that needs to calm down, and if they do,

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Speaker 1: the season and Kingsbury tipped this off to it, thirty

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Speaker 1: Not a surprise on either one. And I'm a little

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Speaker 1: surprised that this baseball topic keeps getting brought up. Now

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Speaker 1: But I would think now two years into the league,

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Speaker 1: professional on and off the field. And remember his first

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Speaker 1: season with the Cardinals, he didn't even see the field.

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Speaker 1: He tore as achilles and training camp and we're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: well there's the following season. But he has always been

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Speaker 1: that guy that you could rely on. Stuff for the

435
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Speaker 1: torn acl and it was really unfortunate. Nothing anything that

436
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Speaker 1: anyone could have done to prevent an injury like that,

437
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Speaker 1: but you brought it up. He was one of the

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Speaker 1: better defensive linemen, even playing more snaps than he probably

439
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Speaker 1: wanted to where the team budgeted hidden ahead of the season,

440
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Speaker 1: but because of injuries and in effectiveness, he was for

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Speaker 1: a time the best defensive line and the Cardinals had.

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Speaker 1: If he wants to come back, and again because of

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Speaker 1: family and the fact that he's set up roots here,

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Speaker 1: I think he would be an easy guy to retain

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Speaker 1: as far as again, not one of those actor Peterson

446
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Speaker 1: and Sonredick Marcus Golden, but someone that would certainly stabilize

447
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Speaker 1: and help a young defensive line, especially if this Cardinals

448
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Speaker 1: team goes out and drafts a defensive lineman. The way

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Speaker 1: I look at it is, you know, you're gonna have

450
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Speaker 1: to see how he's moving around and what's the expectations.

451
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Speaker 1: It looks like everything's going to be virtual. You know,

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Speaker 1: how much is he able to participate in training camp

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Speaker 1: if he does resign, and then he's gonna have to

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Speaker 1: make the roster, you know, So that and a lot

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Speaker 1: of it would be based on incentives. So many games

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Speaker 1: are you active? You know, you can get fifty to

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Speaker 1: seventy five thousand, So that's one way. If you're healthy,

458
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get paid and you're gonna be active on

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Speaker 1: game day. So you know, you look at it. I

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Speaker 1: think what you're saying is when aqu Shipley tore his

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Speaker 1: acl the Cardinals rewarded him after the fact because you

462
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Speaker 1: know how hard he worked to get back there, and

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Speaker 1: he's kind of been a journeyman, and he's, you know,

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Speaker 1: a guy that you know, you know, just didn't have

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Speaker 1: the measurables, but we know he was kind of the

466
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Speaker 1: glue when Kyler Murray's first year and I thought, I

467
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Speaker 1: thought they definitely missed him last year, and I know

468
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Speaker 1: that they were trying to get younger and more athletic,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't see the upside that I was hoping

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Speaker 1: for out of Mason Cole. Yeah, sometimes getting younger and

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Speaker 1: more athletic, you lose that veteran experience that can be

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Speaker 1: maybe even more advantageous because you know the tricks of

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Speaker 1: the trade, you know how to win, you know how

474
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Speaker 1: to win your one on one battles. Yet when you're

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Speaker 1: younger and more athletic, if you will, sometimes you lose

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Speaker 1: those little moments and just think that you can overpower

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Speaker 1: someone win In the National Football League, it's not always

478
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Speaker 1: the biggest, the strongest that wins. It's the smart that wins.

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Speaker 1: Another thing you pointed out, and you know the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: at times they were able to get pressure on the

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Speaker 1: quarterback without Chandler Jones. I mean he played five games,

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Speaker 1: he had a sack. We know that Reddick and Golden

483
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Speaker 1: and Dennis Gardeck did a really good job, and there

484
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Speaker 1: was others. But at the same time, though, the Cardinals,

485
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Speaker 1: as you pointed out, ranked twenty second in rushing yards

486
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Speaker 1: allowed per game and then twenty fifth four point six.

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Speaker 1: But when they got down to the red zone. Now

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Speaker 1: we can look at the passing touchdowns, but they allowed

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Speaker 1: the for few is touchdowns thirteen. That's encouraging. But those

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Speaker 1: those games late in the year, though, and that was

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Speaker 1: when you did not have a Corey Peters and you

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Speaker 1: did not have a Jordan Phillips, and the two games

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Speaker 1: against the Seahawks and in the game at home against

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Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers, that certainly I still in mind

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Speaker 1: boggling about what happened there. But you allowed the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers to rush for a season I d and

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Speaker 1: twenty seven yards. They average almost eight yards to carry,

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Speaker 1: and that can't happen. And if you have a strong

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Speaker 1: defensive line, first and foremost, it's stopping the run and

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Speaker 1: setting that line of scrimmage. You're not going to see

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Speaker 1: a lot of tackles. You're not going to see a

502
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Speaker 1: lot of pressures. But those three of those four guys,

503
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Speaker 1: however many you have in a three point stance, they

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Speaker 1: have to be able to at least, if not stop,

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Speaker 1: slow down the ball carrier so your linebackers can get

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Speaker 1: to them next. You don't want a running back to

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Speaker 1: get to the third level, and too many times in

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Speaker 1: the second half of the season you saw a lot

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Speaker 1: of running backs get to that second and third level,

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Speaker 1: going back to that game, the Jeff Wilson play, and

511
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Speaker 1: then you had a guy like CJ. Bethner who was

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Speaker 1: basically scrambling out of the pocket. And you know, if

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Speaker 1: they could have won that game in the trenches, you

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Speaker 1: know that then possibly even though by losing that game,

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Speaker 1: they still had to beat the Rams in week seventeen.

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Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people figured that. They thought, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, they don't control their own destiny, but they

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Speaker 1: did and seventeen against the Rams, and obviously what the

519
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Speaker 1: Bears what they had to do, but yeah, if they

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Speaker 1: would have kind of been able to control the line

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage there, that maybe you're talking about a different outcome. Oh.

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Speaker 1: You know that they were playing hard for CJ. Beth

523
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Speaker 1: who had lost his brother, But that those two sixteen

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Speaker 1: and seventeen weeks, they're mind boggling to me. Two other

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Speaker 1: players worth mentioning that the Cardinals will have on the

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Speaker 1: roster when the new league year begins, signed to future

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Speaker 1: contracts Michael Dogby and David Perry. Doby, the former seventh

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Speaker 1: round pick in twenty nineteen, only played a handful of

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Speaker 1: games this past season, but Perry is an interesting one

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Speaker 1: to me. I actually had to do some background research

531
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Speaker 1: because I'm not too familiar with them, but six two, three, seventeen,

532
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Speaker 1: so he's got some size, former fifth round draft pick

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Speaker 1: of the Colts in twenty fifteen. He has game experience,

534
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Speaker 1: but he has not played since twenty eighteen. And if

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Speaker 1: he still wants to play, if he still has something,

536
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Speaker 1: this is a certainly signing if you will, that the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals look at and say, let's take a flyer on

538
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Speaker 1: this guy. It doesn't hurt to see what he has.

539
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: If he has something great. If he doesn't, well, then

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Speaker 1: you're certainly not going to make the team and we'll

541
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Speaker 1: go our separate ways. But anytime you see some of

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Speaker 1: these quote unquote veterans signing future contracts, there has to

543
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Speaker 1: be a reason. Yeah, everyone likes to get paid, but

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Speaker 1: I would think, and I would hope, that there is

545
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Speaker 1: a passion for the game and a willingness to get

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Speaker 1: back on the field. And I think perhaps with David Perry,

547
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Speaker 1: and there's a couple of other guys at different positions

548
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: as well that to keep an eye on, not to

549
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Speaker 1: say that they are the missing piece, but perhaps if

550
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Speaker 1: you're talking about a rotation catch lightning in the bottle

551
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Speaker 1: like they did with Angela Blackson. Perhaps David Perry might

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Speaker 1: be one of those players. Hopefully he's got fresh legs, Yes,

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Speaker 1: you would hope. I mean, teams can expand their rosters

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Speaker 1: in ninety you know. Again, if they're going to have

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Speaker 1: like an OTA's, you can kind of weed out, you know,

556
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Speaker 1: just and I know everything's in helmets and shells, but

557
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: if it's virtual, it's going to be hard to figure

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Speaker 1: that part out, you know, more mental. So many does

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Speaker 1: step on the field, but why not take a flyer?

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, at this point in time, you're just

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Speaker 1: trying to flood a position. I mean, who knows if

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Speaker 1: the guys even get invited to camp, So plenty of

563
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Speaker 1: time between now and then. In the beauty is you

564
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: can bring ninety guys in and take flyers on the

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Speaker 1: majority of those guys. We know, you know, draft picks

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Speaker 1: are valued to a certain extent depending on where you

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Speaker 1: were drafted, what year. We know undrafted free agents have

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Speaker 1: made the roster, and then when it comes to you know,

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Speaker 1: free agency and trades, that's other options. So there's no

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Speaker 1: this is the time you do that kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: because during the season, you bring in you know guys

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Speaker 1: for tryouts and you look at a position, maybe you're

573
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: trying to show up, but now the more of the

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Speaker 1: marrier and hopefully he gets a chance, and it's all

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Speaker 1: you can ask for us an opportunity. So those the

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Speaker 1: ten players that Cardinal fans are from familiar with or

577
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Speaker 1: should be familiar with. As we continue here on Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: looking at perhaps some new faces, whether it's free agency

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Speaker 1: or the draft. Let's start and order. Free agency starts first,

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Speaker 1: and we brought up JJ Watt because he is available.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals certainly can contact him or even sign him right now.

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Speaker 1: Another name that's out there and available is Kyle Peco,

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Speaker 1: twenty seven year old former Denver Bronco, And well does

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Speaker 1: Vance Joseph knows something about Pecco that perhaps, and that

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Speaker 1: was a name that was banted about a year ago,

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Speaker 1: that perhaps maybe the Cardinals might be able to invest in.

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Speaker 1: But you look at the bigger name free agents. The

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Speaker 1: Giants have two MJ and I think they might be

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Speaker 1: a little bit out of the price range for the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: even if they do hit free agency. But Leonard Williams

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Speaker 1: and Dalvin Tomlinson, two young players that probably didn't have

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Speaker 1: a great season team wise with the Giants, but still

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Speaker 1: very well thought of amongst the scouts and coaches in

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Speaker 1: the National Football League. You know, last year then the

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00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: trade deadline, you know, there was a lot of talk

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00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 1: about Leonard Williams and you're gonna have to pick up

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00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: his remaining contract. I do think one of those guys

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Speaker 1: could get tagged if they don't get a long term deal.

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Speaker 1: But I do like the ages twenty six for both

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Speaker 1: Tomlinson and Williams. You like their size six, five sixty

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Speaker 1: three and three eighteen. So again, those guys aren't growing

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Speaker 1: on trees, and I do anticipate one could be franchised

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Speaker 1: and then you've got to make a decision. But those

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Speaker 1: those are the guys you want, and those are the

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Speaker 1: guys you want in the trenches. And you know, when

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Speaker 1: I look at JJ Watt thirty one, clearly, when he's healthy,

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Speaker 1: he's very productive. He'd be fascinating to see him on

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Speaker 1: the opposite side of Chandler Jones. Regardless of if you

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Speaker 1: lose a guy like a Son Reddick or Marcus Golden.

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Speaker 1: You know what's JJ looking for. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like buffaloes in the mix. You know, Green

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Speaker 1: Bays made some roster bus when it comes to you know,

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Speaker 1: the salary cap. But they have their own free agents.

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00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: Lindsay's a center, Aaron Rodgers wants him back. Aaron Jones

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Speaker 1: is a running back. They willing to pay him because

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Speaker 1: I'm sure teams like the Dolphins may have interested in

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00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: a guy like Aaron Jones plug and play there with

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Speaker 1: the quarterback depending on what happens there. So you know,

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Speaker 1: Shelby Harris is really intriguing to me. Twenty nine years old,

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Speaker 1: six two two ninety. I think he fits the profile

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Speaker 1: exactly what the Cardinals are looking for, and all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden you would have competition concerning he is a

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00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: free agent, and then you're a rotation gets even better.

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Speaker 1: But he's a guy that can get to the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So you know, JJ watt to me, if it's a

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00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: one or two year deal, he's gotta hope he can

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Speaker 1: stay healthy, but clearly he knows he's gonna have to

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Speaker 1: play sixteen games and easier said than done when you

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Speaker 1: you know, but when when healthy, he's very productive. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's too steep because you know Steves,

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00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: you know he's had the ability salary cap wise, they

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Speaker 1: can afford it. It's just what does that do to

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Speaker 1: your other positions? Do you have to go, you know,

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00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,239
Speaker 1: a little bit shorter on deals to Patrick Peterson If

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Speaker 1: that's the case, I know there's positional spending. And you

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00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: got Chandler Jones whose cap numbers is going to be

638
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: twenty million. But after that, you know you got Reddick

639
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Speaker 1: and Guardeck. He's a restrictive for agent. He probably won't

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00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: come back to late in the year next year, so

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Speaker 1: it's not an out of the realm, But you wonder

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Speaker 1: what what's looking for? Is you looking for a contender?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't hurt to ask. And the Cardinals, I think

644
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Speaker 1: with a lot of these players that do get released

645
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: ahead of the new league year and are on the

646
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: market right now, you should pick up the phone and

647
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: figure out their interests. And I know that Cardinal players

648
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: would love to have JJ Watt. DeAndre Hopkins went on

649
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: Instagram and posted a picture of what in a Cardinals uniform.

650
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: That is fine, but it doesn't mean that you're going

651
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: to sign all of these players. You brought it up MJ.

652
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: It's perfect because you have a fine nite number of

653
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: dollars that you can spend, and now you have to

654
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: figure out, all right, we're going to retain our own guys,

655
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: but then how do we get someone from the outside

656
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: to come in? And I just think that with respects

657
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: to what and I don't even know if he would

658
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: even have any interest, but better dollars could be spent

659
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: other areas in order to either help defense or help

660
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and the offense. So I would be, to

661
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I'd be stunned if jj Watt

662
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: was an Arizona Cardinal in twenty twenty one. Not that

663
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be pleasantly surprised or welcome him. I just

664
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: think that the Cardinals can do better as far as

665
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: helping out the entirety of the defense and the team

666
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: by going out and maybe getting a couple of different

667
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: players as opposed to just one. If JJ Watt is

668
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: looking for that kind of money where it would be

669
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: one player a big ticket item. When I look at

670
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: Shelby Harris, I prefer to pay him six two, twenty

671
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: nine years old. I don't know when he's going to command,

672
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, he's at that free agent thing when he

673
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: probably wants to cash in. I mean, I get it.

674
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean Buffalo has interest, The Packers supposedly may have interest.

675
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: His wife as a soccer player. She lives in Chicago.

676
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: Does he want to go to Pittsburgh and play with

677
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: his brothers? Cleveland put him opposite of Miles Garrett. That

678
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. You know, Cleveland is a

679
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: playoff team and you know, a great city. Does he

680
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: want to go against his brothers twice a year? You

681
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: hate to say it, but are the Chargers or Rams

682
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: going to be interested because now that there's a high

683
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: tax rate when you go play in California. So and

684
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: the Niners, to me, they have enough pass rushers. But

685
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, you just wonder what he's waiting for. And

686
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's about, you know, how many years on

687
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: the contract and how much is guaranteed because if he

688
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: gets hurt again, he he's going to rely on that

689
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: guaranteed money. Now, granted, he's made over one hundred million

690
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: in his career, but it's about what he's going to

691
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: do to finish his career. So I agree with you.

692
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a long shot, But you know, for

693
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: our listeners out there, you know, we get it all

694
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Speaker 1: the time, and I don't respond all the time because

695
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm not making the decision. But when a quality player

696
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: gets released, and teams have calculated cap casualties, so when

697
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: you see a guy get released, teams aren't surprised. They

698
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: look at the cap and they say, this guy could

699
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: be available, so they put him in there and in

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00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: a different box. And when he becomes available. But if

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Speaker 1: anybody has credentials in the league, all thirty one other

702
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: teams besides the team that released him, they're going to

703
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: put a grade on him and they're going to talk

704
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: about what's then you to go to analytics. How much

705
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: is he worth? So every player that gets released again

706
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: that has some credentials, not just a guy that's been

707
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: in a practice squad. Those are future contracts. But every team,

708
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: if they're doing their due diligence, just like the Cardinals,

709
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: they put a free agent grade on them. They put

710
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: an analytics salary on him and say how does this fit.

711
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, then you move on to the

712
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Speaker 1: next guy. But keep in mind every team is putting

713
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: a grade on jj WAT. I don't care if they've

714
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: got four outside linebackers and two defensive ends. They're putting

715
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: a grade on him because all of a sudden, what's

716
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: his upside? And do they have somebody younger that's more

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00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: valuable or they think can stay healthy. So a lot

718
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: of factors, but every team should do their homework when

719
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: a guy with credentials gets released. I do think defensive

720
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: line is a position that the Cardinals will look to

721
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: add in free agency. Whether that's early, middle, or late,

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00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, but speaking of late as far as

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Speaker 1: later than free agency, the draft, and there are a

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Speaker 1: couple of players that I'm sure the Cardinals have their

725
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: eye on, and no one that's been projected to the

726
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, although one player in particular as far as

727
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: and I was just looking at defensive tackles when I

728
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: was looking at some of these draft prospects, not a

729
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: defensive and that's going to rush, but more clog up

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Speaker 1: the middle and kind of get some pressure. And again

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00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: to use those numbers against the on to kind of

732
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: bring those numbers down a little bit. As far as

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Speaker 1: rushing yards per game and rushing yards per play. Number

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Speaker 1: one on the list and someone that I know, Daniel Jeremiah,

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00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: the NFL Network and NFL dot Com has been high

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Speaker 1: on is Levi Ozurike. Ozurike I pronounced that correctly. Out

737
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: of Washington opted out of this past season. But he

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00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: does have a connection. In fact, he's got a couple.

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00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: One he went to Washington. We know the Cardinals love

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00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: to see players coming out of Washington, Buddha Baker in particular,

741
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: but he played a high school football with Kyler Murray.

742
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: So if you're looking for connections or you're looking for intel,

743
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: the Cardinals can go to their own players and ask

744
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: their opinion. That's all they're asking for, their opinion, not

745
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: a definitive yes or no. I don't think players should

746
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: have that kind of say so in the organization when

747
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: you're putting together a team. But much like Patrick Peterson

748
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: did with Tyron Matthew, they can help the organization make

749
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: those decisions. So Zerique out of Washington sixty three two

750
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: ninety three might be the tops amongst the available defensive tackles,

751
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: even at potentially number sixteen. He has great size six

752
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: three two ninety three. And you know, we know the

753
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: Pact twelve football this year was hit and missed, just

754
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: based on games getting canceled. So he decided to opt out.

755
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: But he looks the part and you know you're right

756
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: Byron Murphy, Budha Baker. Even when Chris p was a

757
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: coach there coach Chris Peterson, now Jimmy Lake, who's the

758
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: secondary coach as the head coach. So again they recruit

759
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: guys they think they can play at the next level,

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00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: and I think he checks that box. You know, I

761
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: don't know what's round, but I think one paper cruick

762
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: when we look at Jordan Phillips and Zach Allen and

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00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: one thing I'm going to point out when you were

764
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: talking about a futures contract of Michael Dogby, he was

765
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: protected fourteen times. So the Cardinals feel like, you know,

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00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: Mahybe he could be. But I think there I wouldn't

767
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: say you're never set because we know injuries occur and

768
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, obviously cut some guys out, but I think

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00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: I think on paper you can add another you know,

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00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: maybe as Shelby Harrison not destroying it out there. I

771
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: think he'd be a good pickup. But that interior d

772
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: line has to get better and you just can't rely

773
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: on a thirty three year old Corey Peters or Blackson.

774
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: I do like the young defensive tackles, but you need

775
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: somebody to come in there and create competition. So yeah,

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00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't know, you know where there's

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00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: going to be a run on a certain player, etc.

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00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: You know when we look at the draft, how many

779
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are off the board? You know how many linemen

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Speaker 1: are off the board, because that means players are gonna

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00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: get pushed down at number sixteen. With the Cardinals, they're

782
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: gonna have some good options. A couple of other names.

783
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: Dabia Nixon out of Iowa, unanimous All American Big Ten

784
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Speaker 1: defensive Player and linement of the Year, and then Christian

785
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: Barmore from Alabama defensive MVP of the National Championship Game. Again,

786
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: draft prospects, whether that's at sixteen or you move down

787
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: to acquire more picks. But the Cardinals, I certainly could

788
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: see them looking to go even younger at defensive line,

789
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: to add to a foe to Lawrence and Zach Allen,

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00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: to pair with a Jordan Phillips because right now the

791
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: only veteran in the room is Jordan Phillips. But it's

792
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: hard to be a veteran when you're not on the field.

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00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: As far as the leadership, the guidance that someone of

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00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: a veteran can give to these young players. That's why

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00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals do in free agency look to

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00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: someone with experience, or look to Corey Peters to bring

797
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: back to provide some of that expertise. You know, looking

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00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: at some of the guys you wrote down, and you know,

799
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: we know you could find small school guys, and it

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00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: just seems like when you start mentioning in Washington, those

801
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: guys are ready to play. You look at Iowa, they

802
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: really get a lot of alignment, whether it's D line

803
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: or offensive linemen. They're well coached. And then you look

804
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: at Alabama. You know, Belichick's got a you know, a

805
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: tree there when it comes to Rutgers, and obviously when

806
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer was at Florida, so they value those. And

807
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: then you got UCLA and then USC and so you know,

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00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you got to go for a big

809
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: school guy. You know, we know the Cardinals found Zach

810
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: Allen and you know some others that that maybe they

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00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: aren't play in the big games at the big conferences.

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00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: But you know, I like the fact that some of

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00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: those schools, it's not like you're reaching when you draft

814
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Speaker 1: from those schools because they're not going to hit on everyone,

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Speaker 1: but odds are because how they're coached, their strength and

816
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: conditioning programs, they're they're more adapt to make the NFL

817
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: transition than waiting for a couple of years. So we'll

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00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: see what the Cardinals decide to do with respects to

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Speaker 1: the defensive line. And just a quick note on one

820
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: of the names that we keep bringing up as far

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Speaker 1: as a potential free agent target, Shelby Harris from We're

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Speaker 1: Denver Bronco. Yes, once again the connection with ants Joseph

823
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: here as we look for connections, doesn't mean anything, but

824
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: certainly someone that would be familiar with the Harris and

825
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: as we talked about Kyle Peco as well MJ before

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Speaker 1: we signed off here on this edition of Cardinals Covered two,

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Speaker 1: presented by Hyunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, it

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Speaker 1: is worth mentioning some breaking news earlier in the day,

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Speaker 1: former Arizona Cardinal Mikey Patti announced his retirements. Eleven seasons

830
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: and the league, the past two with the Seahawks, but

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Speaker 1: four years with the Cardinals from twenty fifteen to twenty eighteen.

832
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Speaker 1: A Pro Bowl player, his first season. Someone that the

833
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: Cardinals really went after in free agency because they wanted

834
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: some physicality, some toughness on that offensive line. And he

835
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: was very good for his first couple of seasons before

836
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: injuries robbed him. I think of his talent and his ability.

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Speaker 1: But someone that didn't talk a lot, but was very

838
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: good to talk too, as long as there wasn't a

839
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: microphone or a notepad in front of his face. But

840
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: someone that was very professional, very polite, and I think

841
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: did a lot for that offense, the line room when

842
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: he spent during those four years with the Cardinals. You

843
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: look at you, potty. He went to Idaho first round

844
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: pick in twenty ten, seventeenth overall. You know, he played

845
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: really well those first three years and maybe in four

846
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: years in San Francisco. I mean he was He went

847
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: to three straight Pro Bowls. He signed with the Cardinals

848
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: in fifteen, delves with some injuries. Tough guy. I remember

849
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: he was laying on the field in Seattle. That really

850
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: scary there, and he ended up playing in Seattle. And

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00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with you, potty when he was

852
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: a free agent, and he said the Jets were willing

853
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: to throw him a lot of money and he said me,

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00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, being from Anaheim, California and going to Idaho,

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00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm a West coast guy. So he chose the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: over the Jets, and the Jets signed James Carpenter that year,

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Speaker 1: so it made total sense. But what a tough guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we can talk about it now,

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Speaker 1: but he told you and I after the season he

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Speaker 1: played on a broken foot, and you, Potty, you wish

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Speaker 1: you had, you know, just toughness and didn't take plays

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Speaker 1: off and just had this mentality. Yes, he may he

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Speaker 1: may have been quiet, but when he got in the

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Speaker 1: football field, I mean he he played. He played the

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Speaker 1: echo of the whistle. He didn't back down from anybody. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, first team All Pro in twenty twelve, second

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Speaker 1: team All Pro No. Fifteen. But he definitely you know,

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Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, Craig, is he the last Cardinal

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman to make the Pro Bowl? He is. That's

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Speaker 1: what we were talking about DJ Humphries perhaps ending that drought.

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Speaker 1: So you go look back and it was Mikey Potty

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Speaker 1: the last Arizona Cardinal offensive lineman. So hopefully that drought

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Speaker 1: ends in twenty twenty one. Yeah, and L L. Dear

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Speaker 1: had some good years. I don't know if he was

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Speaker 1: an alternate and stuff like that. This year we didn't

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Speaker 1: have alternate, so it's hard to gauge. And I know

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Speaker 1: Lomas Brown made it, and I want to say Pete

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Speaker 1: Kendall was in the running. So again, they'll never get

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Speaker 1: the credit until they start getting a pro bowler. And

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Speaker 1: I think Humphries is definitely worthy of it. I think

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Speaker 1: the numbers reflected. I think justin pu besides the penalties,

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Speaker 1: played one of his best years of football and that's

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Speaker 1: why the Cardinals are intrigued with that left side with

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Speaker 1: Humphries and Pugh. So a tip of the cap to

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Speaker 1: Mike Epotty calling it a career after eleven seasons. A

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Speaker 1: good guy not only off the field, but a very

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Speaker 1: very good player on the field, basically played for the

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Speaker 1: entire division of the NFC minus the Los Angeles Rams

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Speaker 1: four seasons he spent with the Arizona Cardinals, and on

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Speaker 1: that note, that will put a lid on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Covered two presented by Hunday, partner of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive producer,

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Speaker 1: Jim Amhundro for Mike Jarecki, I'm greig Ria loup Berg

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Speaker 1: gang will catch you next time here on Cardinals Covered

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