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Speaker 1: Never Told You a protection of iHeartRadio, and we were

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Speaker 1: back with another classic as we're moving closer to the

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Speaker 1: US election of twenty twenty four presidential election. Excuse me,

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Speaker 1: this one is from like right after the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: presidential election, so you can probably hear it in our voices.

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Speaker 2: Oh so much, oh oh so much. I was violently

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Speaker 2: ill with stress and that is not a lie.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So this is another episode where Bridget Todd, a

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Speaker 1: friend of the show, came on and really broke down

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Speaker 1: about how misinformation and disinformation we're coming into play and

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Speaker 1: how it all impacts gender justice and why it's so

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Speaker 1: important that we're aware of it, which is something we're

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Speaker 1: going to have to keep in mind in this election season.

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Speaker 2: So please enjoy this classic episode.

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to steff

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Speaker 1: I Never Told You production of iHeartRadio. Today, listeners, we're

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Speaker 1: so excited to once again be joined by our friend

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Speaker 1: Bridget Todd.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Bridget Hello.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited to be back here with y'all.

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Speaker 1: We're so excited to have you for the series that

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Speaker 1: you have about women on the internet, where I suggested

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Speaker 1: it be called winternet, but no one replied.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, I like that.

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Speaker 4: I think it's very positive. Women are winning the internet.

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Speaker 4: We're winning it every day. I like it all right?

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Speaker 5: That to me, I was like, someone has to explain

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Speaker 5: to me why you said this again, because I'm confused.

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Speaker 5: It because it's a winter is it because we're approaching winter?

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Speaker 2: No women on the internet? Winternet?

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Speaker 1: And you know, I was waiting after I sent that

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Speaker 1: anxiously for positive feedback of my genius. The hours sticked

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Speaker 1: by no response. Anyway, I thought i'd bring that up

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Speaker 2: We are very glad to have you.

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Speaker 1: And before we started recording, we were just chatting about

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Speaker 1: the election and some of our thoughts around that, and

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Speaker 4: Well, it's been a can I swear show? Yea, it's

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Speaker 4: as we were just talking about, it's not over, you

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Speaker 4: tell you, I knew people who were going to be

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Speaker 4: happy when Trump was voted out of office. I didn't

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Speaker 4: know it was going to be spray champagne with strangers

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Speaker 4: I happened to be in Paris when France won the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard that it was champagne. Cells in d

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think we're just you know, as as a

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Speaker 4: I think that people from d C like like d

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Speaker 4: You know, It's like you would see these people, and

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Speaker 1: No, no, And I do want to say I've getten.

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Speaker 1: I've gotten an habit of saying the date, which is

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Speaker 1: so I do know it of March, just because as

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Speaker 2: For the thirty you were so close. There was a

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Speaker 1: You're correct, but it's not see I'm I'm very well.

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Speaker 1: Yes it's November. I okay, thank you for that correction.

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Speaker 4: You know, I have been studying and working on disinformation

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Speaker 4: the door on this Pandora's box a false information, online harassment,

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Speaker 4: you know, Luckily, election officials really were predicting that from

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Speaker 3: And that really was exactly what we saw.

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Speaker 4: So I'm happy that some people were at least prepared

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Speaker 1: Day itself, Yeah, and ongoing. Like it's one of those

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Speaker 2: And I know we're going to talk about like.

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Speaker 1: How has social media been Have they been doing anything

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Speaker 4: I'm sure the last time I was here, I was

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Speaker 4: And so as Annie, as you just said, Twitter was

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Speaker 5: And how often has that been news? Especially for this election.

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Speaker 1: One thing I've noticed, and I do attribute this to

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Speaker 1: this misinformation and disinformation. And when we were chatting before

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Speaker 1: we were talking about being in Georgia, which right before

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Speaker 1: we came on was sort of officially projected to be

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Speaker 1: a blues state, and we have these looming senate races

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Speaker 1: to senate races in our state. So I know that

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Speaker 1: this isn't going to go away anytime soon. But even

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Speaker 1: for people outside of Georgia, now that this presidential election

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Speaker 1: has come and gone, why is it important that we

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Speaker 1: keep having these conversations about disinformation and misinformation?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm so glad you asked that. Well, one thing,

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Speaker 4: I do want to go back to something that you

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Speaker 4: said about, you know, this feeling of living in a

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Speaker 4: false reality. I definitely identify with that. Like the total

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Speaker 4: landscape I think was a good example. When the story

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Speaker 4: first broke that Trump had COVID, I remember thinking, like, does.

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Speaker 3: He really have it?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: Is he just saying that? Like?

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Speaker 4: And it really revealed to me the depths to which

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Speaker 4: I felt like I had been sort of gaslighted by

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Speaker 4: this administration.

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Speaker 3: Whereas like I could, I felt like I couldn't trust

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Speaker 3: my own perception of reality.

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Speaker 4: And during the day before the election, my father, who

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Speaker 4: is you know, sixty five, he had a health incident

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Speaker 4: and so we went to the hospital and let me

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Speaker 4: tell And so the issue that he had was like cognitive.

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Speaker 4: He was having trouble with his memory and having trouble

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Speaker 4: kind of like understanding what was going on.

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Speaker 3: He's much better now, but that was a situation on

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Speaker 3: election day.

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Speaker 4: And let me tell you when we were trying to

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Speaker 4: watch election results, he would he would be like asleep

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Speaker 4: and then wake up and they would be showing like

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Speaker 4: a little clip of a speech where Trump appears to be,

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Speaker 4: you know, claiming himself the victor, and my dad would

476
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Speaker 4: be like, wait, did Trump win? And it was so

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Speaker 4: difficult for me to be like, I know that you're

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Speaker 4: I know that you've been in and out. I can't

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Speaker 4: explain to you why this is not Like I know

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Speaker 4: you're seeing Trump say that he won on television. All

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Speaker 4: I can tell you is it's not true. I know

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Speaker 4: it seems like it happened, but trust me that it didn't.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, this is a wild ass thing.

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Speaker 4: They have to be explaining to somebody that, like, like,

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Speaker 4: why am I watching Trump on TV say that he

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Speaker 4: won the election when the election does not seem to

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Speaker 4: be over.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I know, Dad, it's wild. What can

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Speaker 3: I tell you.

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Speaker 4: But to your question, you know, in terms of what

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Speaker 4: we should be looking out for now, you know this

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Speaker 4: is not over, and we will have to continue to

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Speaker 4: be vigilant about disinformation and misinformation. It's like more so,

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Speaker 4: I think than that we were before. You know, well,

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Speaker 4: the entire control of our Senate is going to come

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Speaker 4: down to Georgia. We've already seen disinformation on social media,

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Speaker 4: specifically as it pertains to poll workers and vote counters.

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Speaker 4: Right We've had stories of people who had to go

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Speaker 4: into hiding because of rumors spread on social media about

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Speaker 4: the vote count process. And we know that when we

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Speaker 4: could get to these Georgia runoffs, that's just going to

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Speaker 4: be worse. And I have to say, the majority of

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Speaker 4: poll workers in this country are women and black women,

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Speaker 4: and so we know that black women and women are

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Speaker 4: disproportionate recipients of attacks when it comes to disinformation on

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Speaker 4: social media, and so it's only going to get worse.

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Speaker 4: And that's why it's so important that these platforms and

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Speaker 4: these companies figure out what their commitment is to protecting

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Speaker 4: our democracy now right like it is, we know it's

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Speaker 4: going to happen. It is not enough to just wait

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Speaker 4: and let poll workers be attacked and let Facebook be

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Speaker 4: used to you know, organize people who want to show

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Speaker 4: up in real life with weapons for like extreamist meetings.

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Speaker 4: You know, in real life, we know that these things

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Speaker 4: are threats. We know that these things are going to happen.

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Speaker 4: So what we want is for people to be the

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Speaker 4: people with power to be proactive at building a plan

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Speaker 4: for what they are going to do when these things happen,

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Speaker 4: and to stop them before they start. But you know,

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Speaker 4: even though we have a winner, a new president, it

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Speaker 4: is not over, and it's just going to be that

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Speaker 4: much more important. Also with the fact that Kamala Harris

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Speaker 4: is going to be in the White House, we know

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Speaker 4: that when Obama was elected, it's not like birtherism and

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Speaker 4: racist attacks on him stopped.

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Speaker 3: In fact, they got worse.

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Speaker 4: And so I think with a black woman in the

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Speaker 4: White House, we are going to just continue to see

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Speaker 4: these real horrible attacks rooted in her her identity continue

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Speaker 4: to flourish.

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Speaker 5: Right, And then speaking of you did mention about that

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Speaker 5: the most of the bullworkers being women as well as

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Speaker 5: Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: The thing that she goes through.

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Speaker 5: How is disinformation and misinformation a gender justice issue? How

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Speaker 5: is that pertaining to women specifically in so many different ways.

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Speaker 5: You know, even just look at COVID, The majority of

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Speaker 5: essential workers are women. The majority of people in the

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Speaker 5: healthcare field are women. However, when we have like one

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Speaker 5: of the big topics where disinformation misinformation flourishes is COVID

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Speaker 5: and and how you stay safe with COVID, and so

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Speaker 5: if you have platforms that are allowing for misinformation and

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Speaker 5: false stories pertaining to COVID just flourish, you're hurting the

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Speaker 5: women who are essential workers.

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Speaker 4: Who who are who are the majority of the people

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Speaker 4: who are at the front lines of the of the

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Speaker 4: pandemic right now, healthcare workers, the majority of which are

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Speaker 4: women being impacted. And so really, when you start pulling

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Speaker 4: these things apart and seeing who is being hurt, which

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Speaker 4: communities are having to shoulder a disproportionate level of harm,

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Speaker 4: it's always women and it's always us.

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Speaker 3: And so, you know, thinking.

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Speaker 4: About these things from a perspective of like, oh, well,

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Speaker 4: it just arms everybody equally, that would be that would

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Speaker 4: be great if it was true. But we know that's

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Speaker 4: not true. We know it is women who end up

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Speaker 4: shouldering a disproportionate amount of the impact.

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Speaker 2: That's a great point.

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Speaker 1: I was researching some numbers around, like the predictions of

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Speaker 1: COVID cases in this winter that's been called a dark winter,

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Speaker 1: and I was so like, I was getting anxious looking

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Speaker 1: at these things. And it's just so frustrating that you

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Speaker 1: have a safety measure that shouldn't have been politicized, but

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Speaker 1: it was, and now people are getting sick and dying

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Speaker 1: because of it. And it is a part of that

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Speaker 1: of getting these messages from the very top that you know,

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Speaker 1: don't wear a mask.

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Speaker 2: I don't see the point.

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Speaker 1: It's fine and seeing these stories and I mean, to me,

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Speaker 1: they sound ridiculous of claims like well that you breathe

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Speaker 1: the COVID back in and it's worse if you wear

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Speaker 1: a mask and things like that, but it's working, like

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Speaker 1: people are buying into it. Yeah, So you can really

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Speaker 1: see like the effectiveness of this and right now specifically

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Speaker 1: the deadly deadliness of it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I really I'm so glad that you brought that up.

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Speaker 4: I really think if we ever are able to get

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Speaker 4: COVID under control, I think we need to have a

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Speaker 4: real serious conversation as a nation about the way that

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Speaker 4: we allowed sexism and stuff attitudes around gender to hurt people,

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Speaker 4: and a lot of those people were women, right, Like,

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Speaker 4: even on top of what you the point that you

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Speaker 4: just made about how masks were really feminized, it's women.

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Speaker 3: When you look at who the majority of the people who.

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Speaker 4: Have like lost wages and lost jobs and check that

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Speaker 4: out of the workforce altogether, it's women. Right. I've seen

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Speaker 4: story after a story about how women have just had

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Speaker 4: to like absorb the blowback of this pandemic, and so

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Speaker 4: on top of that, like like we're the ones who

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Speaker 4: are being disproportionately harmed and displaced and you know, marginalized

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Speaker 4: by the pandemic, and on top of that, like people

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Speaker 4: are still equating just like the basic common sense protocols

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Speaker 4: of how we can like stay safe with like women

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Speaker 4: there therefore bad, you know, talking about how like wearing

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Speaker 4: a mask makes you like some kind of a like

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Speaker 4: I don't know, feminized soyboy or something. It really is

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Speaker 4: so harmful. And if there's ever been something that showed

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Speaker 4: us how dangerous and corrosive and toxic like these ideas

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Speaker 4: of gender can be, it should be the pandemic, right.

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Speaker 5: I Mean, we saw it in just environmental issues that

601
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Speaker 5: was so gendered and they're like, wait, we're trying to

602
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Speaker 5: save the world, and you want to say you can't

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Speaker 5: do that because it makes you look feminine. Oh, what

604
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Speaker 5: in the hell's wrong with you? But it seems like

605
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Speaker 5: when it comes to carrying and empathy, it's automatically assumed

606
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Speaker 5: that that is going to be feminine and that it

607
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Speaker 5: shows weakness. To show that you care shows weakness, so

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Speaker 5: therefore don't do it. And it's such an absurdity. Because

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Speaker 5: we talked about this the last time, how Donald Trump's

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Speaker 5: campaign all rode into that that masculine is the only

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Speaker 5: way to be and if we really want this country

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Speaker 5: to be great again is to go back to the

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Speaker 5: norm of heteronom ideas of the nineteen twenties. Essentially, it

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Speaker 5: is such an absurdity in itself that we would rather

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Speaker 5: look strong and I say that in a very loose

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Speaker 5: manner than to.

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Speaker 2: Care for others.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's such a so absurd and you know,

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Speaker 5: and seeing that also is the same thing with the

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Speaker 5: misinformation and disinformation in the politics. I've seen the misinformation

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Speaker 5: that's happening already in our Senate race, where they're taking

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Speaker 5: things out of context and sending it out where they're

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Speaker 5: allowing for Trump tactics. I don't know if there's going

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Speaker 5: to be like an actual term for that soon where

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Speaker 5: our Republican senators and companies are using that and fell

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Speaker 5: fully into that. The point that we have a QAnon

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Speaker 5: person going into the House that's representing us because they

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Speaker 5: are allowing for this as the norm, and the fact

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Speaker 5: of the matter is it's still working enough that we

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Speaker 5: have a runoff instead of a win.

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Speaker 4: Like yes, a thousand times yes, I could not. I'm

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Speaker 4: like snapping my fingers and nodding my head in agreement,

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Speaker 4: and like just really think about that. The fact that

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Speaker 4: caring about others empathy, that's being framed as something that's bad,

635
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Speaker 4: something that you don't want from your your leaders, right

636
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Speaker 4: that is that doesn't make any sense. It's good to

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Speaker 4: care about others. Caring about others is not a bad thing.

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Speaker 4: I think when Biden did his town hall, and just

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Speaker 4: to be clear, like I'm happy that he's going to

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Speaker 4: be our next president, but like he is not the

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Speaker 4: end all be all of like progressivism or by.

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Speaker 3: Any means, but what he did is town hall.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember who it was, but some Republican was like,

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Speaker 4: oh it was almost like watching mister an episode of

645
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Speaker 4: Mister Rogers, you know, it was just like like we

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Speaker 4: get it, you care And I was like, why is

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Speaker 4: that a bad thing?

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Speaker 3: Like like where are we what? Like what world are.

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Speaker 2: We living in?

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Speaker 3: Where?

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Speaker 4: You know, all cats tweets are good, like all all

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Speaker 4: caps tweets about how like you have been cheated?

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Speaker 3: That's good.

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Speaker 4: And like empathy that's like like up as down, black

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Speaker 4: as white, yeah, and that's.

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Speaker 5: Wrong with.

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Speaker 5: I think the difference between the left and the right

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Speaker 5: right now, the extreme right, I will say, and the

662
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Speaker 5: extreme left. We don't see these people's I say we

663
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Speaker 5: the left does not see people as gods.

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Speaker 2: This is not our choice.

665
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 5: This is not someone that like God blessed them into

666
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 5: the situation or whoever you worship made this person for us.

667
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Speaker 3: It's gonna fix everything. No, we're just trying to find

668
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Speaker 3: out what normal is.

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Speaker 5: And we just really want to get back to the

670
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Speaker 5: point that we don't have to fight with people every

671
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 5: day about again the lies about the masks and the

672
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 5: lies about whether or not we should shut down, or

673
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 5: whether we should care, or whether we should fight with

674
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Speaker 5: a ten year old girl who cares about her environment, Like,

675
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 5: we just want to get to the point where.

676
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Speaker 2: That's not a thing.

677
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Speaker 5: But we see that the right, like I have seen

678
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 5: so many freaking memes about Jesus touching Donald Trump, Like

679
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 5: I've never in my life been like.

680
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Speaker 3: What is with this? With this kind of level of

681
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: worship for a man.

682
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 5: Who does a cash honestly.

683
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Speaker 3: In the end, other than wanting to win absolutely.

684
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's what I always tell people, as someone

685
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 4: who has been in politics and activism and organizing on

686
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 4: the left for a very long time.

687
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Speaker 3: No elected official is like your best friend, Right.

688
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 4: You are electing someone that you think you can move,

689
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 4: that you think you can push, that you are that

690
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 4: you are down to be holding accountable for four years.

691
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm no huge fan of Biden Harris.

692
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 4: I'm I voted for them, I'm happy they're in the

693
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Speaker 4: White House, but I'm more happy to spend the next

694
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 4: four years pushing them and holding them accountable and you know,

695
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 4: making hard asks, right, Like, I think that when you

696
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: are picking an elected official, you want to pick somebody

697
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 4: that you can't see yourself holding accountable and not picking

698
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: like this is an American idol. You're not picking your

699
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 4: like you know, your best friend for life, or like

700
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 4: someone who you think is going to be, you know,

701
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 4: the best. Ever, it just doesn't work that way. Like

702
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 4: every I feel like every politician eventually will break your heart.

703
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 4: And so you really just got to be thinking strategic

704
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 4: about who you pick and who you vote for. But

705
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 4: it's certainly you know, yeah, like this idea that Trump

706
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 4: has been blessed by God or something.

707
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Speaker 3: I mean, like, I guess I have a lot of

708
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: questions about people who feel who feel that way. I guess.

709
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Speaker 5: Again, so do I because I'm very very confused. You know,

710
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 5: there's another thought, and this may be a whole episode

711
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 5: in itself, and I think we probably will. But the idea,

712
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Speaker 5: like when I'm talking about religion, when we're talking about

713
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Speaker 5: God in general, that that does play on this very

714
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 5: heteronormative idea of what is chosen and what is good

715
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 5: and what is not good, because you know, we can

716
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 5: talk about the fact that a majority of people who

717
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 5: are voting in the right are doing it based on

718
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 5: abortion right anti abortion and their quote unquote pro life

719
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 5: stance and that term should be done away with anyway,

720
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Speaker 5: and it does. It seems like it hones in on

721
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Speaker 5: women in itself, especially those who have grown up in

722
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Speaker 5: religious bases. And I wonder also because that's what I

723
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 5: see in play a lot of the time to get

724
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 5: at people for that stance, like the commercials and stuff.

725
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Speaker 5: One of the big conversations, one of the big points

726
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 5: they say is we are here to support police. We

727
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 5: are here to keep the way of life, the American

728
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 5: way of life. And it's such a weird rhetoric, but

729
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 5: it seems to work for those who are steeped in tradition,

730
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 5: as in fact that Judge Alito just has kind of

731
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 5: stepped into some controversy because he just finally said what

732
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Speaker 5: he felt and that he wanted to bring traditional American

733
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 5: households back to what it was and this is like,

734
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 5: this is love and this is morality. It's kind of

735
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Speaker 5: interesting that we can look at some of that misinformation

736
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 5: and making sure they use that as a prompt to

737
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Speaker 5: get those voters and to keep those voters in It

738
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Speaker 5: majority of works with older white women, Yes, it really is.

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Speaker 4: It's so effective. You know, I've seen disinformation around abortion.

740
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Speaker 4: Like I've seen memes on Facebook, especially where they're trying

741
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 4: to they'll say like, oh, you're a woman can terminate

742
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 4: a pregnancy at you know, up until the moment that

743
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 4: she gives births. And it's like, no, if someone if

744
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 4: someone is term, if someone is doing an abortion that

745
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 4: late in the game, something else is going on, right

746
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 4: Like like we I've seen so many, so many instances

747
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 4: where it's just outright lies about abortion because disinformers know

748
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Speaker 4: that these topics that require a little bit of nuances,

749
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 4: that are emotionally charged, like those are the ones that

750
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Speaker 4: really work. And you know, I think I think that

751
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 4: you're right about it being something that really does move voters.

752
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Speaker 4: And I have to say, a growing demographic of Latin

753
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 4: of the LATINX community voted for Trump and abortion was

754
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 4: an issue that they self reported as something that moved them.

755
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 3: That they are not there, that they're not okay with the.

756
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Speaker 4: Fact that the Biden Harris administration is pro choase, and

757
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 4: so I do think there is so much more work

758
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 4: to be done around how we message voters on these

759
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 4: topics that require a little bit of sensitivity and a

760
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 4: little bit of nuance to discuss I think that we

761
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 4: have so much work to be done, and I think

762
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Speaker 4: on the left, I'm excited to see us starting to

763
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: have some conversations around like, well, how can we provide

764
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 4: off ramps for people who have been misled by very

765
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Speaker 4: savvy disinformers. To be clear, I don't know what that

766
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 4: looks like, that is, like, I'm happy to have those conversations,

767
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 4: but I do think, you know, we have a country

768
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Speaker 4: where a good chunk of people have been really cruelly

769
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Speaker 4: misled by very effective disinformers are around things like QAnon,

770
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Speaker 4: around things like reproductive care, and I do want to

771
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Speaker 4: build off ramps for those people to be like, listen,

772
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 4: things got wild there and you got you got, you

773
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Speaker 4: got taken by somebody who did not have your best

774
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 4: interests at heart. Here's how we get you back to

775
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Speaker 4: where you need to be. You know, I want to

776
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Speaker 4: be part of those conversations.

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Speaker 5: Right, I mean that is a big question because I

778
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 5: definitely have you know, we've talked about it before with

779
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 5: my family and itself, trying to have these conversation and

780
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 5: just literally just fights and crying, like.

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Speaker 3: That's what ends up happening.

782
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Speaker 5: But how do you approach this in a way that

783
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Speaker 5: you can have a constructive conversation without being angry with

784
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 5: one another, because you know, of course they have their ideas,

785
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 5: and I've heard my parents' ideas, and I grew up

786
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 5: under their parents, my parents' ideas, but I came from

787
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 5: that to this to see the practical, like, uh, this

788
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 5: is where the lives were, and this is why this

789
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 5: is incorrect. And I've been with friends who have had

790
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Speaker 5: to have as what they would call late term abortion

791
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Speaker 5: and not by the way I've heard it, heard them

792
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 5: recently say after birth abortions, and I'm still trying to

793
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Speaker 5: figure that out. So I'm like, are you talking about

794
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 5: killing babies? What's happening? So I think that in itself

795
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 5: has been a new platform too. I was like, y'all

796
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 5: are going real, real into this, but talking to them

797
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 5: about their tragedy and having to be there and the

798
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Speaker 5: fact that this is like going through these painful things

799
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Speaker 5: and then being accused of doing something so horrible as

800
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Speaker 5: in like you killed your child, right, you do this

801
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 5: on purpose?

802
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Speaker 3: And just to watch that.

803
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 5: Conversation and trying to sit down and I'm like, you

804
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 5: understand what you're doing, right, You are vilifying the very

805
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 5: people who are with you and want these children and

806
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 5: love these you know, love these unborn babies as you

807
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 5: want to you know, whatever you want to call and

808
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 5: term them. Is the fact that they intended to have

809
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 5: this child but they couldn't, and that is tragedy in itself.

810
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 5: But how do you have these conversations of like we

811
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 5: need to break down and being able to communicate with

812
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Speaker 5: each other, and also I need to be able to

813
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Speaker 5: tell you, hey, that video you just posted yeah as bullshit.

814
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Speaker 3: It is ridiculous. How do you have these conversations? So

815
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Speaker 3: I have a lot to say about this one.

816
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 4: I think on the abortion part of this specifically, I

817
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 4: think it really comes down to abortion storytelling. There have

818
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 4: been so many amazing groups like we Testify shout out

819
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 4: to Abortion, who have been doing such amazing work in

820
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 4: this space, really helping people tell their stories about their

821
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: abortion experience in a way that can counter some of

822
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 4: this misinformation and disinformation.

823
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Speaker 3: Right.

824
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Speaker 4: I also think, you know, for heterosexual folks out there

825
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 4: or folks who have like male identified folks out there,

826
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Speaker 4: I don't like the fact that oftentimes talking about abortion

827
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Speaker 4: and talking about reproductive care is just seen as like.

828
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Speaker 3: A woman's job.

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Speaker 4: Or a woman's role when we know that so many

830
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Speaker 4: men out there have benefited from an abortion.

831
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Speaker 3: And I don't like the fact.

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Speaker 4: That it's just like on us as women to be

833
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Speaker 4: bearing our souls on something that is very sensitive and

834
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Speaker 4: like difficult to talk about.

835
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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just up to us. And so I think

836
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: more men should.

837
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Speaker 4: Be stepping up to the plate and be like, yeah,

838
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Speaker 4: abortion impacted my life in these ways, and here's what

839
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 4: it looks like for us, or here's what it looks

840
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Speaker 4: like for me.

841
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: Right, it shouldn't just be on us.

842
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 4: To shoulder this burden in terms of how we talk

843
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 4: to our families about some of the disinformation that they

844
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 4: can get wrapped up in. Pen America Foundation has a

845
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 4: wonderful guide if you just google pen America and misinformation

846
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 4: on how you talk to your family you know about disinformation,

847
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 4: And some of the things I recommend are do it

848
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 4: in private, Like you don't want to be doing it

849
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 4: on a public Facebook post one, because you might be

850
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 4: just like pushing that wild post into more people's feeds.

851
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 4: And then also it's like it's just it's weird when

852
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 4: you get called out in public.

853
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: People.

854
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 4: It just people can be already on the defensive. So

855
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 4: if you do it in private, if you send them

856
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 4: a private message or call them on the phone, it

857
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 4: might be a little bit better, so that it's not

858
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 4: they're not coming from a place of like, well, all

859
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 4: my followers are watching this interaction and I have to

860
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 4: react in a certain way. So doing it in private,

861
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 4: and also just something else that you said, Sam, like

862
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 4: keeping empathy at the front of your mind, right, so

863
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 4: like remember trying to put yourself in this person's shoes.

864
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Speaker 4: I have found that nine times out of ten, people

865
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 4: who are getting caught up in lies and distortions on

866
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 4: social media especially, they are scared, they are fearful. They

867
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 4: are looking for answers. They're looking for explanations. They're looking

868
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 4: for anything that makes how they feel or what they

869
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 4: think or their worldview. They're looking for anything to make

870
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 4: that feel okay. And these disinformers know that, and they

871
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 4: are sure, you know, right as rain, they will be

872
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 4: there to fill that gap. And so knowing kind of

873
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 4: a little bit about the emotional situation that somebody who

874
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 4: is getting taken by disinformation, knowing a little bit about

875
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 4: where they might be, and being a little bit willing

876
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 4: to like have a conversation that acknowledges that one of

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00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 4: the reasons why I got involved in disinformation in the

878
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 4: first place is that I there's not really another.

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Speaker 3: Way to say.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I lost a good friend to conspiracy

881
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Speaker 4: theories and disinformation, and I feel like I waited too

882
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Speaker 4: late to do the things that I'm suggesting that people

883
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Speaker 4: do now. Like I spent a lot of time getting

884
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Speaker 4: into like heated back and forth on Facebook where we

885
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Speaker 4: would be arguing in the comments and then people would

886
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Speaker 4: be like texting me about it and it would be

887
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: like a big tense thing. I later realized that I

888
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 4: was just pushing him further and further into this kind

889
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Speaker 4: of thinking, and you know, we are not friends now.

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Speaker 4: And I look back and I think, gee, you know,

891
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Speaker 4: what would it have been like if I had took

892
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Speaker 4: the time to talk to my friend have a real

893
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 4: conversation about where he was at and why he was

894
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 4: being drawn to some of these wilder conspiracy theories on

895
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Speaker 4: the net, right, Like, you know, I would have probably

896
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Speaker 4: found out that he had just moved to a new

897
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Speaker 4: city and it was really lonely. I would have probably

898
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 4: found out that, you know, conspiracy theory groups online all

899
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Speaker 4: for a kind of like twenty four to seven online

900
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Speaker 4: community that he was probably craving. I would have out

901
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 4: all of this stuff, but I never took the time.

902
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 4: I did everything wrong, And I just I want people

903
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,479
Speaker 4: to know that if someone that you love, if someone

904
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 4: who you have been in community with, you see them,

905
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 4: you see yourself losing them, you have options that you

906
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 4: can take. You don't have to do what I did,

907
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 4: which is to do everything wrong and then like you know,

908
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 4: bitch about it on Facebook and then like be salty

909
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 4: in the comments.

910
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Speaker 3: You can you have what you have.

911
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 4: Resources that can help you figure out how to have

912
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 4: this conversation. But I do think we need to be

913
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Speaker 4: having these conversations, you know. I think that people that

914
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 4: get wrapped up in this they need to know that

915
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 4: are off ramps. They need to know that like they

916
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 4: will not be shunned if they if they come out

917
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Speaker 4: of it.

918
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Speaker 3: I think that's very important.

919
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Speaker 2: Ah, that's great advice.

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Speaker 1: And you've mentioned some some groups already, but if you

921
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: could go over some ways that they're these groups are

922
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: biting disinformation and misinformation and for folks who are interested

923
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: how they can get involved.

924
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, pen America is a great resource. They have

925
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 4: a great guide. As they mentioned, I would be remiss

926
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Speaker 4: if I had not mention my own organization, Ultraviolet. We

927
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 4: are a gender justice organization that tries to build political

928
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 4: and social power for women and non binary folks. And

929
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Speaker 4: we actually put out an ad calling out Cheryl Sandberg

930
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 4: about disinformation on Facebook. So definitely check that out, and

931
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 4: if you want to get involved, you can go to

932
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Speaker 4: act dot We are ultra violet dot org and check

933
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 4: out our campaign calling Facebook to be more accountable for

934
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Speaker 4: their platforms.

935
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Speaker 2: Love it, Yeah, I love it? Boom.

936
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Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want UH to say before

937
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: we wrap up? And then obviously you can shut out

938
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: where listeners can find you.

939
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Speaker 4: I would just say I know things you know earlier today, Anna,

940
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 4: you called our upcoming winter our dark winter, and boy do.

941
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Speaker 3: I feel that.

942
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 4: But I would just say, you know, stuff is hard

943
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 4: right now, stuff is dark right now, But we have

944
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 4: each other. We got this, Like I don't I don't know.

945
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,240
Speaker 4: I guess I feel like so much of my day

946
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 4: is full of doom and gloom and preparing for the worst.

947
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Speaker 3: But you know, I think we have each other.

948
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 4: We have spaces like stuff I've ever told you to

949
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 4: build community and have conversations and so when times are

950
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 4: scary or heart or cold and dark, just come back

951
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 4: to that. Just remember that we have community, we have

952
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 4: each other. We have We're not powerless, We're powerful in

953
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 4: each other.

954
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm gonna take that a little bit and

955
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 5: put it on my phone.

956
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love that, because right before we were talking, I said,

958
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: how I found this article that said how are you

959
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: as become a triggering question? So I like this positive

960
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 1: note and I definitely have have been feeling it, which

961
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: was nice. It's it's almost like something was coming back

962
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: to life. It'd be that I hadn't realized to just

963
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: sort of died off for a little bit. So yeah, yeah,

964
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: that's great, And thank you as always for coming by

965
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: Bridget and having these conversations with us.

966
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 2: We love it. They're so valuable. Where can the listeners

967
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: find you.

968
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 4: You can find me on Twitter at Bridget Marie. You

969
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 4: can find me on Instagram at Bridget Marie and DC.

970
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 4: And if you want to have more conversations about how

971
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 4: women are showing up on the Internet, check out my

972
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 4: podcast on iHeartRadio this very network called there Are No

973
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 4: Girls on the Internet.

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Speaker 2: Yes, definitely do that.

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Speaker 1: I'm still I'm so prepared, Bridget for the fan fiction episode.

976
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm there.

977
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Speaker 3: We gotta do it. I honestly, we got we have

978
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 3: to do it. It's happening. Yeah, it's happening.

979
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Speaker 5: You gotta do this one. She's ready, she is so

980
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 5: many terms.

981
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Speaker 2: Yes, oh so excited.

982
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: Honestly, you should probably just like mute and just like

983
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, do something else and kind of pretend

984
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: you're listening to me and let me get it out

985
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: of my system.

986
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be offended at all.

987
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.

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00:48:59,320 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: Well.

989
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Speaker 1: I look forward to that, and we look forward to

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Speaker 1: having you back for the next next entry and what

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00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm sticking with the winternet. But if listeners have another

992
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: another better name, I will. I'm open, I'm open.

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Speaker 3: I like I like winternet. I think it's got a

994
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 3: nice ring to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, thank you. I need constant validation on

996
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Speaker 2: my title name.

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00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 5: That's all we keep you around, Bridget, constant validation and

998
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 5: good information.

999
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Speaker 2: But also also that also that the listeners.

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Speaker 1: If you want to reach us, you can email us

1001
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: at Steph Mediamomstuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can find

1002
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: us on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast or on Instagram

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Speaker 1: at Stuff I've Never told you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks it's always to our super producer.

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Speaker 1: Andrew HOWARDK you, and thanks to you for listening stuff

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