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Speaker 1: every now and then. You know, when we do our job.
Speaker 1: If and um we get blessed, this is this is
Speaker 1: probably this is beyond blessed. This is an icon, a legend,
Speaker 1: a tycoon. If you're born in the nineties, you're probably
Speaker 1: your parents probably smashed to his music. You're probably born
Speaker 1: off of his music. And in the eighties, your mom's
Speaker 1: probably got smashed to his music. Let's just say all
Speaker 1: the way to that. If you're a hip hop ear
Speaker 1: the oldest man. When this man walks in the room,
Speaker 1: he pulls a dust off his feet and brush off
Speaker 1: his shoulders. Because I kid you not, from everybody from
Speaker 1: ice Cube to Doctor Dre to Snoop to whoever, you
Speaker 1: actually heard this man's records and thought it was their records,
Speaker 1: and then when you went back and heard they said,
Speaker 1: holy shit, that was the fuck. That was the That's right.
Speaker 1: This man is, like I said, the icon of icons.
Speaker 1: He birthed all of us, all of us at hip hop,
Speaker 1: we owe him. We gotta say salute. And his catalog
Speaker 1: is so crazy. Like when we put the playlist together,
Speaker 1: it just kept calling and going and going, and you
Speaker 1: youngest is out there thinking, y'all a one hit in
Speaker 1: case y'all don't know who I'm talking about, we joke
Speaker 1: out the one the only started out claim, so how
Speaker 1: is everything? How's everything? Man? I like you guys, right,
Speaker 1: that's right. I'm doing good. I'm glad to see we
Speaker 1: had some kind of fact. No, man, I'm glad to
Speaker 1: be still hanging out with you guys. Ye. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest man to um. You know, at first,
Speaker 1: when we started this show, we would just interview our friends,
Speaker 1: you know, people that you know, I'm a hip hop artists,
Speaker 1: just people that you know. And then we started to
Speaker 1: you know, and a few people that we look up to,
Speaker 1: all the people that we've never met. And when I
Speaker 1: go through your disography, when I go through your your
Speaker 1: life story, it's just like, wow, man, you you are
Speaker 1: really really a legend, legend and you out here still smiling,
Speaker 1: still touring. Man, I've been blessing this shit. I started.
Speaker 1: I started back pre motown here. I started back in
Speaker 1: the do wop days, when you you know, you made
Speaker 1: they made records for your dance up closely grind and shit,
Speaker 1: you like the fire and you like that. Ye No,
Speaker 1: it was this slow basement with the links up that
Speaker 1: was the fifties. So I started, you know, back then
Speaker 1: at Frankie Lyman and all of that, you know, and
Speaker 1: we've moved into the motown. They have temptations with my
Speaker 1: Ales and Smoking Robinson, all those those my adles. By
Speaker 1: the time when you had a hit record sixty seven,
Speaker 1: they were peaking. Motown was peaking that Jackson that just
Speaker 1: came to the label, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: we figured we missed that, so we got one hit
Speaker 1: record out in fifty sixty seven, and you're located wearing Jersey.
Speaker 1: I was in Jersey at the time, Nework, okay, but
Speaker 1: you were born in Arth Carolina, Carolina okay, and went
Speaker 1: to Playing Field of Newark. I was worked in playing Field,
Speaker 1: I was. I did hit. Oh yeah. So in the
Speaker 1: process of the dudes, you know that was playing out.
Speaker 1: Jane Brown say cut your due off. So that ship
Speaker 1: was playing out. Afros was coming in. So we got
Speaker 1: to hit record just in time with a record called
Speaker 1: I Want to Testify. Yeah, that was and like I said,
Speaker 1: we was into the motown thing, but it was peaking.
Speaker 1: It was as soon as we got to hit it
Speaker 1: that time. It was compared you to the Temptations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were you know, we weren't tall enough. We were
Speaker 1: so you know, we was cool, but wasn't that cool.
Speaker 1: But we got that hit record, and like I said,
Speaker 1: it was changing. Rolling Stone Beetles and European was coming
Speaker 1: in to the country doing the same music that my
Speaker 1: mother and father liked, you know, the blues, the twisting
Speaker 1: shout from the Ousley Brothers music from the mid fifties
Speaker 1: and stuff forties. They were doing that. So we realized
Speaker 1: that we had to change. We had to change our
Speaker 1: style rate. When we got a hit record and we
Speaker 1: flipped it into the what Jimmy Hendrix was doing with
Speaker 1: the psychedelic you know, the acid. We dropped our share
Speaker 1: of ascids. We got fucked up and the next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, we was in that. We had to get
Speaker 1: to our player. We were just listening to a few
Speaker 1: minutes ago Eddie Hazel did the record Maggot Brain. So
Speaker 1: we were a psychedelic rock band black It's like an
Speaker 1: underground music. We knew we wasn't trying to get forty
Speaker 1: five everyday, hit record forty five every months. Dell me mushrooms.
Speaker 1: I said, it was lsd yah. Mushroom was like mushrooms
Speaker 1: the height of like the Vietnam War, the height of
Speaker 1: the Vietnam War. That that whole movement was about stopping
Speaker 1: that water, you know, the hippies and everybody that was
Speaker 1: tripping and looking for you know, that far out place.
Speaker 1: Well we did that. We were lame as hell, but
Speaker 1: we did that and went crazy with it, you know,
Speaker 1: because we thought we was cool. We did had the
Speaker 1: best asset. You know, we freaked out and like I said,
Speaker 1: we had best get to our player and keyboard player
Speaker 1: in the world, Bernie Warrell keyboard player, classical trained Eddie
Speaker 1: Hazel who was like the next Jimmy Hendricks. And then
Speaker 1: we had I'll dual singing group Billy Bass was all
Speaker 1: of them was under sixteen. Wow wow on the band.
Speaker 1: Our band was like our little brothers. We were like
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and twenty and they were like fifteen and sixteen.
Speaker 1: So we had a hell of a band that nobody
Speaker 1: else could keep up with. You know, we were doing
Speaker 1: psychedelic music with the black Man. We went back to
Speaker 1: played Apollo Theater and you know, we had changed from
Speaker 1: the suits. They knew us with suits, and we came
Speaker 1: back there with dark cheeks and diapers and nothing. We
Speaker 1: was wearing anything. They got anything need for the handle
Speaker 1: and like I said, were tripping, so we was extra cool.
Speaker 1: So did that come from tripping or was the wardrobe?
Speaker 1: We probably probably would have did it anyway, but we
Speaker 1: were down for whatever it took to make it. But
Speaker 1: just so happened when we made it. The kids was
Speaker 1: in charge, the hippies was in charge of everything. You know,
Speaker 1: that was where you got your education and that and
Speaker 1: we got pretty much educated on the road because we
Speaker 1: played a lot of colleges and ship But let me
Speaker 1: ask you something, right, hip hop started to emerge and
Speaker 1: you started to see like the first people of hip
Speaker 1: hop they started. It felt like they were membericking you. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what you feel. We got it, African member, Yes,
Speaker 1: we got If you know one of our albums called
Speaker 1: Uncle James. If you look at the back of the album,
Speaker 1: it's got all our fans from each city from the
Speaker 1: fan club on Africa. Bimbada name is the first name
Speaker 1: of album. Oh he was like fourteen and fifteen years old. Okay,
Speaker 1: this was this was I mean, holy shit, I didn't
Speaker 1: know Zulu Nation and all of that was like the
Speaker 1: first thing that you know that we saw. You know
Speaker 1: of that and we got familiar with the real early
Speaker 1: in the game. Didn't know what it was gonna be.
Speaker 1: We had a friend from the Bronx. They used to
Speaker 1: sell T shirts for us. He was sixteen and he
Speaker 1: used to be had a boombox on his back and
Speaker 1: he played flashlights and he was selling the flashlights and
Speaker 1: he was rapping to the music. This was doing the
Speaker 1: intermission between Boots sets and outset. He would sell so
Speaker 1: many flashlights from rapping like everybody lightd it and it
Speaker 1: was it was already happening in the Bronx in Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: and and we didn't know and they kind of hiped
Speaker 1: us to it. And from then on we watch Public
Speaker 1: Enemy Rock Kim was my favorite rape from Dave one. Wow,
Speaker 1: I mean all the way through, you know. Um. I
Speaker 1: watched him do his thing and the whole hip hop
Speaker 1: thing was it was like p funk continued. We said, people,
Speaker 1: p fonk was the DNA for hip hop, you know.
Speaker 1: And I got a friend over that, Mark Bass. He
Speaker 1: produced them and him's first seven albums. Oh Wow, I
Speaker 1: produced Yo, I produced him. He produced my son right
Speaker 1: back when they first started Wow, you know. So I
Speaker 1: watched all of it, drede them when we came out
Speaker 1: to LA. They used our name Uncle Jams Army, that
Speaker 1: was the name of the club him in battle Cat
Speaker 1: and all. But they was DJ. They hadn't even had
Speaker 1: NWA yet. So we watched them go from there. They
Speaker 1: world class, world class, Yeah yeah, yeah, watched them, the
Speaker 1: whole LA dream Team and all of that. We was
Speaker 1: raped in with them providing beats. I mean, I made
Speaker 1: an album called Sample. Some of disc and sample some
Speaker 1: of that because I saw it coming and there was
Speaker 1: getting in so much trouble trying to sample and not
Speaker 1: get caught up. Had it we made it available. It's
Speaker 1: still did work. I mean the record companies beat us
Speaker 1: book anyway, but we made it available. We knew that
Speaker 1: we had to be a part of this because this
Speaker 1: was the day a phone. It just changed names and
Speaker 1: so we became part of that and we stayed with Again,
Speaker 1: we did one of our records tweaking with us regul
Speaker 1: when they first started. Now you did one of the
Speaker 1: like me and Earn thought we were smart at one time,
Speaker 1: and we had did we sold one show, but we
Speaker 1: sold it three times right like meaning we had a
Speaker 1: prescription base, we had it on YouTube and then we
Speaker 1: had it on three distributions. Show. But I'm looking and
Speaker 1: I'm like the Parliament and the fer it but the
Speaker 1: same goddamn I was Not only that his band was
Speaker 1: the same people too. The same people that played in
Speaker 1: Bootsie's band was the same people that played I was
Speaker 1: like yo, he sold the same band and the girl
Speaker 1: roof the Bride to fucking stein Parlette was the same
Speaker 1: people again. Boots he played bans on this, he played
Speaker 1: a berner, he played on him. We all were the
Speaker 1: It was sixty was the first sixty people. I'm like Holly,
Speaker 1: sixty people we went when we went out on tour
Speaker 1: with the Mother, just sixty people in the same sixty
Speaker 1: played on everybody else's record. You just be the lead
Speaker 1: this time when we back you up, you be the
Speaker 1: league next time we back you up. Let me let
Speaker 1: me look at the people right now. Ain't nothing new
Speaker 1: under the sun? I mean we do. We We really
Speaker 1: like foot Tank because they got the content they got.
Speaker 1: When when I when actually, that's exactly what I thought
Speaker 1: of the first thing I thought of when I when
Speaker 1: I when I said that, I said, damn got that
Speaker 1: got everybody everybody with each other, because that was my
Speaker 1: next question. When you what the bands wasn't on the
Speaker 1: same record label? No, no, no, we was on all
Speaker 1: the labels. Matter is genius a matter of fact. That's
Speaker 1: what got us in trouble because they looked around and
Speaker 1: we had somebody on every label, and they thought we
Speaker 1: would eventually start our own label and call everybody back
Speaker 1: to the label and you be the motown. We didn't
Speaker 1: want to do that. Everybody was doing all right, where
Speaker 1: you were. We had a bunch of young kids behind us,
Speaker 1: my son and all the other bands that was ready
Speaker 1: to be on our Roger Troutman. A lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know we did more Bounced to the House. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a p funk record. At the same time,
Speaker 1: Knee Deep one Nation on them. We did Roger. He
Speaker 1: was rogering the human body, you know. And when he
Speaker 1: came up with Roger album, that was the beginning of
Speaker 1: separating the record companies were so scared we was gonna
Speaker 1: become Motown again because you know, Motown took over the
Speaker 1: dance floor. They owned ship right, and that was the
Speaker 1: first black ownership. Yeah, and they did it so seriously
Speaker 1: in the industry. Was never trying to let that happen again. Damn,
Speaker 1: this is so much history. You know, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: They started drinking. I was. They started trying to split
Speaker 1: us up Club Solder and with a lemon Yeah, all
Speaker 1: the ship. So how do they go about splitting you
Speaker 1: guys up? Like what were they getting? Everybody's here, they
Speaker 1: get they come between you and your friends, right, that's
Speaker 1: how did they separate you? If they Then he said
Speaker 1: he ain't getting paid, you ain't getting paid, you ain't
Speaker 1: getting paid faster, and they'd be in control of the payment,
Speaker 1: right So it ended up if they work getting in
Speaker 1: between you, you end up having a problem getting your
Speaker 1: people together. Right now, we're going through that trying to
Speaker 1: make reacquaint ourself with all our friends to make sure
Speaker 1: they get paid. I'm working with Ben Trump right now,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get the whole industry thing for
Speaker 1: you know, black musicians and all musicians. Really, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've seen it, but Chuck d had filed
Speaker 1: the lawsuit against Universal and he actually won its whole
Speaker 1: like actually like because these contracts that were they were
Speaker 1: saying that was being signed back then wasn't legal. They're
Speaker 1: not they you know, they they trying to say that
Speaker 1: they you signed for life, perfect to it throughout the universe,
Speaker 1: thene of that stuff thought. But you have to be
Speaker 1: able to do it from a civil rights standpoint, the
Speaker 1: law standpoint. If you didn't do it in time, you
Speaker 1: got you know, grown out of time. They got all
Speaker 1: those legal things they can we go with your lawyers,
Speaker 1: right so, and you have to worry about your lawder
Speaker 1: getting paid off on under the table and all that.
Speaker 1: So we've been doing this, fighting this for like thirty
Speaker 1: five forty years. Now we got it pretty much under control.
Speaker 1: We're getting our copyrights back because say Ben Trumpet is
Speaker 1: our lawyer, along with some expert music lawyers, and we're
Speaker 1: getting ready to get the news gonna break in a minute.
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna believe the stuff that you hear. You know,
Speaker 1: songs like Humpty Dance, the Humpty Dance and all that
Speaker 1: was out when they were a singing group, before they
Speaker 1: ever rapped, when Tupac was dancing, they were you know,
Speaker 1: we were playing with them. And the song they did
Speaker 1: Humpty Dances, um Let's play House on a Parliament record
Speaker 1: and yeah, Let's play House and it has been sampled
Speaker 1: so many times. And one of the things that happened,
Speaker 1: my son, you know, came up with some of the lyrics,
Speaker 1: so he was one of the writers along with Bootsy
Speaker 1: and Juny. They somebody in the record. Come no, I
Speaker 1: don't even want to call the names now, but you
Speaker 1: will know you can tell them to me. You're here
Speaker 1: it in a minute. You're here in a minute. Change
Speaker 1: from my son's name to my name, because there was
Speaker 1: already stealing my stuff from a forward signature that they
Speaker 1: said that outside that he because if it's under your
Speaker 1: name and they could they could play already did that.
Speaker 1: So they changed it from his name to my name
Speaker 1: and then took it. And this has been thirty five
Speaker 1: forty years as so many samples of that song that
Speaker 1: right now is getting meant to be one of the
Speaker 1: biggest cases in the world. Like I said, Ben Crump,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a civil rights thing because it's,
Speaker 1: um you talk about truly come about to a history,
Speaker 1: something you're supposed to be able to pass down to
Speaker 1: your generations generation, generational, generational, and it's planned like that.
Speaker 1: Everybody had to agree to do it, you know. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. All the the record companies had
Speaker 1: to agree. Oh yeah, you sample mind, I won't charge you.
Speaker 1: I stamp for yours, you don't. And the artists get charged, now,
Speaker 1: don't you say an artists And they took money from
Speaker 1: the artists. I mean, I tried to get snooped. We
Speaker 1: was gonna have a um what's it called. We had
Speaker 1: a royalthy statement party. You come to the party and
Speaker 1: bring your royalty statement. Go to this party, bring your
Speaker 1: roalthy statement and we compare royalty statement ship. I was
Speaker 1: you know, I talked too much, you know, so I
Speaker 1: said it out loud before, you know, before we did it.
Speaker 1: And of course they started locking their the hip hoppers,
Speaker 1: they got them locked them, you know in the beginning,
Speaker 1: started making them sign contracts where they couldn't do nothing
Speaker 1: about it. But that's the way we was planning and
Speaker 1: still gonna do it. I was gonna be part of
Speaker 1: the movie and everything else. Got to go to the
Speaker 1: royalty statement party. Bring your roalty statement. We come here
Speaker 1: what you got, paid what you got, and it don't jail.
Speaker 1: I don't think get like three words. He's of my life,
Speaker 1: so I think I'm gonna be I don't think they
Speaker 1: let me in the worried the statement party. But that's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that was some of the things you had to
Speaker 1: do to try to make sure you stay tight with
Speaker 1: all the other musicians, because whatever happened where they looked
Speaker 1: like they did it or not, it most like they
Speaker 1: didn't do it, or if they did it, they did
Speaker 1: it out on you know, and they were in trouble,
Speaker 1: you know, like me and him. He had this argument
Speaker 1: on the show where he always always compared what do
Speaker 1: we like more major record label or being independent. He
Speaker 1: always picks independent. I always picked major. But when I
Speaker 1: hear stories like that, it always make me safe. That
Speaker 1: mean it's got to be independent now days because the Internet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't even need them for nothing but
Speaker 1: to promote you or something. And the way they get
Speaker 1: these followers and things on the Internet, you don't need
Speaker 1: them for that. Some of the biggest artists they got
Speaker 1: out there now is from the one that's got millions
Speaker 1: of followers on the internet. They make their record on
Speaker 1: their laptop. No, I mean the labels really didn't played themselves,
Speaker 1: except for the one that's got old catalogs and people
Speaker 1: don't know how to get them back. You can get
Speaker 1: them back. They have copyright recaptures after five years, get
Speaker 1: them back. But we're so such a threat to that,
Speaker 1: right because you get it back. That's that's like a
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars maybe more. It's like two billion dollars.
Speaker 1: Talking about all of the all of the hip hop,
Speaker 1: you know, say Dre's whole catalogs, Yes, I mean the
Speaker 1: Chronic Yeah, that was almost like the mothership just wrapped
Speaker 1: over every record stoops first, Yeah, that's what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I said, Um, I did Tupac stuff live. I
Speaker 1: seld we was we was, we was working out, you know,
Speaker 1: to listener to the music, I was like, how much
Speaker 1: money does doctor Dre all them? Like? That's why I was,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you know labels like he's just one of them? Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, but the same with the East Coast. I
Speaker 1: love to say, public enemy rock him, Eric boy, I mean,
Speaker 1: all you know what's crazy about that? Let me let
Speaker 1: me vouch for them and saying I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 1: they said make sure college, make sure he makes sure
Speaker 1: he gets paid. I'm pretty sure they're saying Stop and
Speaker 1: Dre both said that. I went on the Grammys with them,
Speaker 1: you know one time, and I say that right on
Speaker 1: the stage, make sure that you know these writers get paid.
Speaker 1: But it's out of the and you know, you scared
Speaker 1: this hell. They're gonna ground you once you start speaking
Speaker 1: up for some of your lawyer, your manager gonna tell
Speaker 1: you stay out of that. Now. That's overhead now, but
Speaker 1: eventually eventually it's gonna come out. Mean doing that time,
Speaker 1: I was a crackhead, so I wouldn't no attention, right,
Speaker 1: you know, I was doing what we all did you
Speaker 1: know forever treating chemical stuff that was going on. Most
Speaker 1: when you get in this business, you go through that
Speaker 1: and it takes you minute to get out of it.
Speaker 1: I ain't sorry, but ship, you know, I just maintained
Speaker 1: my myself and when I did get a chance to
Speaker 1: get out, got out, started getting the copyrights back. But
Speaker 1: I had several all. I mean, I made sure that
Speaker 1: I kept all the relationships with everybody that I worked with,
Speaker 1: pretty cool with almost everybody, because I knew the ship
Speaker 1: that it was doing wasn't them. You know, It's true,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And eventually the record companies.
Speaker 1: It's not even the people that work at the record
Speaker 1: companies now because they weren't even all they were based,
Speaker 1: you know, but the company have that money, you know what,
Speaker 1: Like I'm saying, and I was necessary. It's in the billions.
Speaker 1: Because almost every major hip hop artists, you know, along
Speaker 1: with the artists that I produced, like the Red Chili Peppers,
Speaker 1: you know, all that we never got paid for any
Speaker 1: of that on that big side of that. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, well, I got something to look forward
Speaker 1: to rate now because I'm having fun. I still do
Speaker 1: it right, We're still in the run. I got my
Speaker 1: grandkids on the road in the band. Band members got
Speaker 1: their kids in there on the road with us. So
Speaker 1: we're still doing it. And I can sit up and
Speaker 1: talk shit because you know, I get money now, and
Speaker 1: if I get the money now, I know what to
Speaker 1: do it. If I got it back then, I might
Speaker 1: not have been it fun, been too much fun, you know.
Speaker 1: But so I can always always look at it, like
Speaker 1: I say, on the bright side of the thing, I
Speaker 1: try to always do that. Fault is the easiest thing
Speaker 1: in the world to find, you know, that's easy, you know,
Speaker 1: And so that's why it's so easy to make. You know,
Speaker 1: hip hop music. You did somebody, he beat up on somebody,
Speaker 1: Find somebody that can talk positive about somebody good and
Speaker 1: get that same vibe. It's too I mean, rock Him
Speaker 1: is one of the ones that I know you can
Speaker 1: didn't member the record he did Friends with Jody Walley.
Speaker 1: He could compliment you asked to death. It's so serious.
Speaker 1: That's hard to That's all because you know, the hip
Speaker 1: hop is based on beating the beating MC chuck MC.
Speaker 1: That's the concept. You know. You learn to do that
Speaker 1: with a battle. I mean, we call it playing a dozens,
Speaker 1: And I was in school. That was if somebody dropped
Speaker 1: the glass of your mama, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You got expert at that, you know, and so but
Speaker 1: to be able to do that same vibe on the
Speaker 1: positive side, but you got to have some dialogue in
Speaker 1: your ass. And like I say, rock him. He could
Speaker 1: do that and the akill your ass on this side
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, nobody wanted with him. No, But let
Speaker 1: me ask you. So one time I had the pleasure
Speaker 1: of me and James Brown, right we were walking on
Speaker 1: the Red cost incredible. He was this is this is
Speaker 1: parrales um. He got his BMI a water or something,
Speaker 1: so he had two speakers and it was me and
Speaker 1: justin timber Lake. How they put us together. I did
Speaker 1: not think that went together at all. Right, but I'm
Speaker 1: walking and I can see James Brown had his like
Speaker 1: nephew with him or something. So I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: James Brown and his nephew wants to lean over and
Speaker 1: said to him, you know that's snry, that's a rapper.
Speaker 1: And James Brown turned and looked at me and said,
Speaker 1: keep sampling my ship. Yeah. We were too like kind
Speaker 1: of like far away to like smack five like we're
Speaker 1: on the So I did nothing, but he was right there.
Speaker 1: I was right David's walking. Yeah. I could tell. His
Speaker 1: nephew was like God, said James Brown. You know I
Speaker 1: hype is a motherfucker. I'm like James Brown. And then
Speaker 1: his nephew over way, he just turned it. He said, hey,
Speaker 1: keep sampling my ship down. Do you gotta feel like that? Always?
Speaker 1: Like I said, we turn yall? Yeah? Really was I Actually,
Speaker 1: like I said, I didn't wait for him. I made
Speaker 1: a record called sample some of the disc and some
Speaker 1: of that Wow. So you know, early on I made
Speaker 1: sure that you couldn't. I moved the drums out the way.
Speaker 1: I moved the worms out the way. I isolated different things,
Speaker 1: different variations, and we five versions of that. Eric Herman
Speaker 1: lived by that nausea too. I mean, we made sure
Speaker 1: we was connected to it. That's the thing with me.
Speaker 1: I'm down with the next new generation. You want to
Speaker 1: get on your nerve, the new music that get on
Speaker 1: your nerve when you think it ain't music, I'm down
Speaker 1: with them. Soon as I hear somebody to get that vibe,
Speaker 1: everybody's agreeing that they ain't shit. I want to know
Speaker 1: what they're doing because that's the next music. You don't
Speaker 1: get that vibe and that you got. They don't pay
Speaker 1: you no attention at all when you had ship. But
Speaker 1: when you get somebody down, everybody agree that you ain't
Speaker 1: was supposed to be happening. I'm like I said what
Speaker 1: they say on your When Cardi B came out, my
Speaker 1: family can tell you I was on not for what
Speaker 1: she was saying. I just know that vibe it was.
Speaker 1: I can tell everybody was doing she ain't. Who has
Speaker 1: he done? Who is? I want to who is she?
Speaker 1: Because you can tell you don't get that series of
Speaker 1: agreement you shouldn't do this or this ain't because it
Speaker 1: ain't that important to most people if you ain't that,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna be the next one. And that's who
Speaker 1: I always picked the right ones that I always I
Speaker 1: got a good record on. Knocked up myself on the
Speaker 1: shoulder for picking who's next. I mean on their first
Speaker 1: Tool three records, I was what's what's the name of Rihanna?
Speaker 1: She did sos? I was all over that record, and
Speaker 1: my grandkids tell me, man, there that record has been
Speaker 1: out just the second time around, But the second time
Speaker 1: around they blew up and she didn't stop. I mean
Speaker 1: those umbrellas, but I knew because her vibe on that
Speaker 1: first record, it had that Moretown theory on it. And
Speaker 1: but it tells me more than it's the person that
Speaker 1: anybody that picked certain things, you can tell them they're
Speaker 1: not just picking this because they they had some thought
Speaker 1: behind it. Now they had some work behind it. The
Speaker 1: ones that worked, like with friends, he worked all day
Speaker 1: every day. You're giving us a French story right now,
Speaker 1: I can. Yeah, let's go, let's go. I mean the
Speaker 1: Prince have you up seven in the morning, just seven
Speaker 1: at night when you're on this tour. He pay you worth,
Speaker 1: He pay you for everybody in Bean and tell you
Speaker 1: he pay you good. But your head's gonna work. You
Speaker 1: on call, you on call when the show is over.
Speaker 1: If you want to go to a party, you're gonna
Speaker 1: because he owned that whole day twenty four hours. Say
Speaker 1: you say that Prince was like they comparing him to
Speaker 1: like Tom Brady, Like even after the show is over,
Speaker 1: Prince still want to Praca, you're gonna do a party
Speaker 1: on practice or something. He called me up to this.
Speaker 1: Everybody got a call that he called you to this
Speaker 1: house and want to talk. He used to call me
Speaker 1: to his house. You know, he wants to talk, he
Speaker 1: wants to pick my brain. But the old house a
Speaker 1: mini in Minnapolis, Minniapolis. We was on Paistey Park, Okay,
Speaker 1: I was on Paistey Park. So he want to talk,
Speaker 1: all right, I mean, I mean, you know, you know
Speaker 1: he and doctor ducted us into the Rock and Roll
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Wow, Prince did. But he was he
Speaker 1: used to, like I said, get his money worth. He
Speaker 1: had me up to this house and bend in my
Speaker 1: ear about why it was. And so I was telling
Speaker 1: him everything, and then I realized he was getting too mad.
Speaker 1: He was getting slave on his face and read the
Speaker 1: protested women that you might get away with that ship.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna be able to get away that I'm
Speaker 1: too old. They know I know better than that, you know.
Speaker 1: And he'd be wanting me to go with him to
Speaker 1: the radio station and curse amount to him. I'm not
Speaker 1: going with you, you know, you know, telling things and
Speaker 1: then I see him doing it. But I've always had
Speaker 1: his back. He always had mine, you know. But he
Speaker 1: was one of those workaholics, just like I said. Again
Speaker 1: and tall Beyonce them when they was Destiny child. They
Speaker 1: worked all day long, every day and anybody that put
Speaker 1: that kind of work in Michael results. Do you want
Speaker 1: to see results when you can do that? You met
Speaker 1: Michael as well, Michael Michael. Them they came to Motown
Speaker 1: doing I want to test about that was Jackson Fire. Yeah, yo, ship.
Speaker 1: We were probably the reason they was win what they
Speaker 1: was winning those that because we were the first black
Speaker 1: group that was looking like that. Besides sliding them came
Speaker 1: out right behind my song slicing them, which is my
Speaker 1: my boy. You know what I'm saying. They came to
Speaker 1: Jackson when they first came to Detroit, they were straight
Speaker 1: Parliament fu del you know. Matter of fact, it did
Speaker 1: one of my songs called I bet you you know
Speaker 1: Wow now we we I made sure whoever the new
Speaker 1: thing is, you know, I'm down with him. I wanted
Speaker 1: the outcast, Dungeon family, goodym mob, organized nors, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call them. I was there when they always won,
Speaker 1: like Parliament funka Deli. I was working with Dallas, Austin
Speaker 1: and Dark. You know, everybody that becomes along that's doing
Speaker 1: something I try to be a part of or whatever
Speaker 1: it is they're doing. Because it's it's gonna be the
Speaker 1: new ship, you know, and then they get on your nerves.
Speaker 1: You can tell the ones they get on your nerves,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, you'd be like, damn that. But then
Speaker 1: the ship is work. It's the new kids. That's the
Speaker 1: version of it. You just have to be able to
Speaker 1: move yourself out of the way. Okay, that's what And
Speaker 1: then it becomes damn, it's pretty good, and what are
Speaker 1: you getting out of it? Does it reinspire you to
Speaker 1: reinspire you and put you up on what's going on? Joe?
Speaker 1: Joe ass gonna be old and out of it, because
Speaker 1: that's real. That's what you're supposed to be. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to be old. Let the next one take over. But
Speaker 1: some of us don't want to leave, you know. But
Speaker 1: if you don't want to leave, to stay out of
Speaker 1: the way, you know, get down with whatever they're doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a good example, Eminem, he merged no
Speaker 1: matter what rap style comes in, he's still all up
Speaker 1: in their face and you can't get room. And he's
Speaker 1: gonna be like that because he's enthused about hip hop.
Speaker 1: He means that shit right. And so when you like that,
Speaker 1: you can say oh you old school, old school, my ass.
Speaker 1: He'll take your cadence and whoop your hands, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: Could You're gonna have a different cadences, a new generation.
Speaker 1: But and you figure out what what's the theme? What
Speaker 1: they're talking about that? I mean, you get a few
Speaker 1: that's well on. I mean, and that mate, Kendrick is
Speaker 1: my boy. You know what I'm saying. He can talk
Speaker 1: about shit. Ain't nobody's gonna be able to get away with.
Speaker 1: He'd have made that room for himself. Yeah, that's when
Speaker 1: you find that exceptional new one. You know, he's a
Speaker 1: few raid in there that talks about shit and real
Speaker 1: shit that it may not be realpused to even want
Speaker 1: admitted let them talk about to make a record. So
Speaker 1: when I find those kinds of people, I'll pay attention
Speaker 1: to them and find out what story of what where
Speaker 1: I can sneak into that, you know, and we did
Speaker 1: to Pimple Butterfly. I thought I was talking to somebody
Speaker 1: old as me. That's how much he had paid attention.
Speaker 1: I guess to his parents, who was peep on fans
Speaker 1: from you know, from what he was saying. But he
Speaker 1: knew not only that he had theories for what's happening now,
Speaker 1: you know, so everyone's while you get a new good
Speaker 1: one that just blow your brains out, and you have
Speaker 1: to like really give them that space to what they're doing.
Speaker 1: You know, you realize you raised generations like two or
Speaker 1: three they raised me. Yeah, I know, I'm believe me.
Speaker 1: I'm in touch with most of them, you know, but
Speaker 1: they have kids most of the time end up friends
Speaker 1: with their kids, their kids being oh my dad said,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Yeah, we was doing and what you're doing,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's gonna be something fresh and like
Speaker 1: a half hour band as our grandkids and kids of
Speaker 1: mine and the other members and the banders. It's ever.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have to setting my ass down and
Speaker 1: direct shit. But they carried the hype and I just
Speaker 1: organized the show. What's your favorite place to perform? Back?
Speaker 1: What's your favorite city or state or country? It changes,
Speaker 1: it changes, yeah, you know it was for a long time.
Speaker 1: It was ansters to him, you know, but now everywhere
Speaker 1: you can get you know, legal weed anywhere. That change
Speaker 1: sometimes of change, but lots of places. We got all
Speaker 1: our fans. We have all kind of fans my age,
Speaker 1: people that knew it from that young kids. It's on TikTok,
Speaker 1: you know, we get them. Also have to look we
Speaker 1: don't have a set list until I won't out to
Speaker 1: look at the audience because I have to see who came.
Speaker 1: That's you know, DJ in the moment, at the moment
Speaker 1: after like that out of town. We could come to
Speaker 1: play the same town on different side of the town,
Speaker 1: and different sets of people will come because you know,
Speaker 1: we know who not to play the loud rock and
Speaker 1: road and get somebody a heart attack, you know, or
Speaker 1: we know not to borce somebody to death by playing
Speaker 1: you know, so nothing type stuff. So we have to
Speaker 1: really look at the audience, you know. And going to
Speaker 1: casinos it is a new problem for us because now
Speaker 1: people that don't usually go to casinos when we play
Speaker 1: that they come, you know, and usually you have to
Speaker 1: have a casino type older crowd before. But yeah, now
Speaker 1: anybody that come there and they be ready to party.
Speaker 1: And then so you got to like whoa how many
Speaker 1: of who came? You know what I'm saying, who we
Speaker 1: got the most of? So after cater to, after cages
Speaker 1: to whoever to be dominant, you know, and then we
Speaker 1: got you know, like Atomic Dog for instance, that's then
Speaker 1: been through all the generations, all the hip hop has
Speaker 1: doesn't use it the song itself ever go anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just did a new version of it with the
Speaker 1: Q Dogs. You know what I'm saying. This is coming out. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We just did a video,
Speaker 1: and I mean it's gonna blow people in mind, the
Speaker 1: new mix of it, the new version of it. Right,
Speaker 1: did the same song two years ago with the um
Speaker 1: what they call the the cartoon what is that, trolls,
Speaker 1: the trolls. Yeah, yeah, the troll did that with the
Speaker 1: troll on the Trolls movie. And so Tommy Dog ain't
Speaker 1: going nowhere, like I said, and it's coming back so
Speaker 1: hard when you see this Q Dog verse never anywhere.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a person like like my friend
Speaker 1: Louis View was right there, right, he got the red
Speaker 1: shirt arm. He wants to do a record with you,
Speaker 1: He connects with you, and he wants to remake your record.
Speaker 1: How does he go about that? He has to he
Speaker 1: has label cover anybody's cover. Okay, you can cover anybody's Yeah, cover.
Speaker 1: Are you doing this different thing? Yeah? Sapling and covering
Speaker 1: is different things. Okay, the sapling you get permission and
Speaker 1: all it coming. You can cover and do it your
Speaker 1: way with it. Without permission, you just have to pay
Speaker 1: the publisher, right, you know that's the original writer of
Speaker 1: the record. And that's what I'm saying. The writer get paid.
Speaker 1: But you can cover anybody's record, right, Did you realize that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, watching your stories? I watched so many documentaries.
Speaker 1: Did Was there anybody like? All right? Cool? I got
Speaker 1: jerked in the hip hop? Right, so I wanted to
Speaker 1: like give the knowledge to the next younger brother, right? Um?
Speaker 1: Was there nobody there like at that time to tell
Speaker 1: y'all about these contracts and tell y'all about publishing, not
Speaker 1: from the R and B side of it, really, No,
Speaker 1: it was always everybody was always they did it to me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it to the next one. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the one they get getting most people in it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It was done to me,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna get the next one. And they kind
Speaker 1: of set you up and help you do that. If
Speaker 1: you don't pay attention, they'll help you mess up with
Speaker 1: somebody and then blackmail your ass with it. You know,
Speaker 1: since you have to be careful of that No. That
Speaker 1: was my thing is. I came up through Joe Bett,
Speaker 1: and I made him my mind. I'm gonna do whatever
Speaker 1: it take to make it so. I ain't really trying
Speaker 1: to bust nobody. I knew a lot of stuff I
Speaker 1: was doing in the beginning that they were lying into.
Speaker 1: But my thing is just getting out there. I'll stringing
Speaker 1: this shit up later. That's the way most people feel
Speaker 1: about this shit. They'll do it even if they know
Speaker 1: they're doing something wrong. That's exactly what I did. You know,
Speaker 1: to get there free, you're doning for free. Better to
Speaker 1: say you ain't gonna gets you ain't gonna get paid
Speaker 1: for first. That's really what I said, and I was.
Speaker 1: It was all fun. I brought it. I saw my
Speaker 1: first day for five thousand dollars. I knew us five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and I signed happen. Oh yeah, I've done it.
Speaker 1: I've done that part. I've done that lots of time.
Speaker 1: No one but my thing. Once I get in there,
Speaker 1: I know how to work my way right to blah
Speaker 1: blah blood. But then there's something that just planed out,
Speaker 1: set you up with The paperworkers are wrong and and
Speaker 1: they changed My was actually changed. She went back into
Speaker 1: that changed the documents. Put it like, Noah, not one time,
Speaker 1: but he's four or five times. I got copies of them,
Speaker 1: so many copies of the change documents. You know, I
Speaker 1: paint too, Like I took some of the documents and
Speaker 1: put it on the painting. That's all. I was doing
Speaker 1: my best to keep this into the public's eye. Wow,
Speaker 1: for as long as I could, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I took a lot of the documents and put
Speaker 1: it on the art. That stuff he had. Judge said
Speaker 1: that even though Judge did say that the paperwork was alted,
Speaker 1: was it was alted? It was alted in anything that
Speaker 1: comes out of this paper is null and void. We
Speaker 1: got those kind of papers. Wow, My way was looking
Speaker 1: at me too. Don't make sure you don't say too no. No,
Speaker 1: I got we got we got it, we got it,
Speaker 1: we got it, we got so but it's cool now
Speaker 1: I'm free to telling now I don't bit got suited
Speaker 1: for writing the book about it. Wow, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Then who sued the whole Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: can get the miss in the book and they got
Speaker 1: the book out. Brothers bo like George, Ain't that punking
Speaker 1: kind of hard on you. I say I was harder
Speaker 1: when I started. I'll be hard when I get through
Speaker 1: damn solo silo. So before we get into this game
Speaker 1: and we played all the times called quick time, um
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, let me ask this question to be given
Speaker 1: the flowers for people that's been living under a rock.
Speaker 1: Described to people what the mothership is. Oh, the mothership
Speaker 1: is out of mythological vehicle that brought us here from
Speaker 1: the planet. Serious, I like serious called the dog store,
Speaker 1: the dog the dog gun people African, when our myth
Speaker 1: is that it came in brought the funk here. Game
Speaker 1: you know the plant? How to dance, how to dance
Speaker 1: underwater and not get wet? How to be able to
Speaker 1: dance between the molecules of water with that thing such
Speaker 1: a rhythm that you can get out of the way
Speaker 1: within water, who between the molecular structure of you know things.
Speaker 1: That's the rhythm it takes to survive in this world.
Speaker 1: To be able to get in and out of the
Speaker 1: bullshit you have to live through. You got to be
Speaker 1: able to swim through You could you could do in
Speaker 1: order to survive here. You can swim through the water
Speaker 1: and not get wet. That's the rhythm it take to
Speaker 1: survive in this world. So the Mothership was that cycho
Speaker 1: alpha disco bato by arcwa douloop. That was that formula
Speaker 1: that you needed to survive. Plus it was the vehicle
Speaker 1: to take you back to where you come from and
Speaker 1: keep the party jumping. So are we in the mother
Speaker 1: ship all the time. You just have to become aware
Speaker 1: of it. Yes, it's always there. I wanted to don't
Speaker 1: work until you got to open your eyes and feel that,
Speaker 1: Oh shit, it's been this way all the time. So
Speaker 1: do I gotta take masculine? I mean, it's everything is evolving.
Speaker 1: Now you can do shrooms as legal now, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can do a haltful of scroos. I gotta dude you
Speaker 1: who gave me the shroo? I mean? But there's lots
Speaker 1: of way dancing, religion, chanting, managing. There's so many rhythms
Speaker 1: that takes you there. You have to find out which
Speaker 1: one works for you. Okay, some people can do it
Speaker 1: from just gift them camp. Some people, you know, some
Speaker 1: people are just inspired with the word, you know, and
Speaker 1: they may not may not even live like that, but
Speaker 1: then it comes through you. You ain't got nothing to
Speaker 1: do with it. Right clear, your body has the drugs
Speaker 1: in it already, all the dophins, dopamines, no legend, all
Speaker 1: that stuff if you knew how to get it. But
Speaker 1: when your kid got y y'all, mister George GLD, we
Speaker 1: don't know, if you know. Our show is about giving
Speaker 1: people flowers. Our show is about making our legends feel proud,
Speaker 1: making our legends know that they legends. So many times
Speaker 1: in this game, when you got ten, twenty thirty years
Speaker 1: in this game, they want to say that your old school.
Speaker 1: They want to say that your washed up. They want
Speaker 1: to say that they kick you out. And we don't
Speaker 1: believe that over here. Now, we believe when you twenty
Speaker 1: thirty years in the game, you just getting, see you
Speaker 1: just get We want to give you your flowers to
Speaker 1: your face, to your face. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are flowers. This is this is this is your flowers. Man.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? They last forever, just from
Speaker 1: the drink chats, you know what I mean. God, damn,
Speaker 1: make some noise it up. What's snoop set? It's like
Speaker 1: it's real roses that are gold plated. Okay, I'm looking
Speaker 1: for Yeah, snoop set it's like it's like a Grammy,
Speaker 1: but it's from your people. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You want a lifetime Grammy, didn't you? Huh? You have
Speaker 1: lifetime achievement. Lifetime achievement. Jesus. We've been nominated so many
Speaker 1: times for the you know, the samples and things, but
Speaker 1: they haven't let that as a concept become real yet.
Speaker 1: It'll be pretty soon, you know, because there's so many
Speaker 1: So if a record gets nominated you as if they
Speaker 1: sampled you, you're nominated automatical sometimes and sometimes if you
Speaker 1: if you pay attention to it to be nominated, But
Speaker 1: you have to be up on it yourself, right, because
Speaker 1: you'd be a writer on the record. Yeah, you'd be
Speaker 1: right on it. Yeah you know. Wait, okay, continue, just
Speaker 1: feet that you're spoking blunts? No, no, no, what these are?
Speaker 1: These are? Um you og og hit papers. Okay, say
Speaker 1: you out here, duchess. You look crazy doing it? Yeah
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that's still yeah. I
Speaker 1: still smoke that shit. Yeah, I'm I'm anging as motherfucker,
Speaker 1: and I know what's wrong for me too. Yeah but
Speaker 1: look this looked apart, so I'm still cool. Okay, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie what it looked like. Gosher Vegas,
Speaker 1: remember the old school Gorsh Vegas, but the Greenhire Vegas. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: black in mouse. Okay, we want to get someone to
Speaker 1: come in. Yeah, you want to get someone from your
Speaker 1: crew to take shot family, one of your grand shot game.
Speaker 1: It's a shot game. So you come on, right. The
Speaker 1: New York had on you look like he ready anyway,
Speaker 1: he was practicing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh you're gonna take yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can grab that chair to grab a street chair.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Now what's your name? Big though
Speaker 1: thirteen and that's that's he's the hype man in the band. Okay, alright, cool,
Speaker 1: well you're gonna be the hype man right now? Are
Speaker 1: we ready? Give him a shot glass? Mister lead, give
Speaker 1: m a shot glass? There you go, you gotta go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: before you start, what are you drinking? Something? White? Right?
Speaker 1: The watermelon? Okay? You mean I want regular? Yeah, I'm regular?
Speaker 1: Okay now so all right, so hold on, hold on, yeah, yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna bull he a long it's a long game.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah, but you gotta keep
Speaker 1: that one. Now, you gotta keep that one. You set
Speaker 1: yourself up man a right, so sure, so we drink
Speaker 1: with you? Did we drink with you? Though? Yeah? You
Speaker 1: back there is good enough? Yeah yeah, yeah yeah but okay,
Speaker 1: so um, by the way, let me just say this
Speaker 1: minute interview, like I'm really in the presence of a
Speaker 1: legend man, really as you came and considers you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, appreciate I really like you know, in
Speaker 1: this game, there's so many people who just you know,
Speaker 1: they don't take the time out and just say I
Speaker 1: appreciate you, you know what I mean, And I just
Speaker 1: wanted to just do that before we get into this game.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. But I'm about to kill your hype
Speaker 1: man to get that out of the way. So when
Speaker 1: he when he drunk late, okay you're ready, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So it's on you. So if you pick both, if
Speaker 1: you be political and you pick both, then he drinks.
Speaker 1: If you pick are we giving you two two names,
Speaker 1: two names or two things? If you pick one, nobody drinks.
Speaker 1: But if you say both, are neither, which would be
Speaker 1: the politically correct answer, we think you're gonna say both
Speaker 1: a lot because we could tell you a politically great bribe.
Speaker 1: So it's not gonna work out for him. We're gonna
Speaker 1: make it. Are you ready? You're ready? DMX or two pop.
Speaker 1: You're right boo that was season. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I can feel your spirit and go like go like
Speaker 1: go like yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Going to the
Speaker 1: logo next time, Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, she got you. Okay, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is a good one too, odb or bus markey wow,
Speaker 1: odb Okay, Okay, this one is good. I kind of
Speaker 1: know where you're gonna go. Motile or Epic Records booth
Speaker 1: most I mean it's but epic then cleaned up lately,
Speaker 1: I mean some good Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: why it was so great. You got to see a
Speaker 1: smile when he said they cleaned up lady, like that
Speaker 1: was the sh a long time they got. They got
Speaker 1: slive Michael and all that, lady. Okay, you're ready. We
Speaker 1: went there Rolling Stones or the Beatles, Damn Beetles, God
Speaker 1: damn and you knew them both and the Beatles. The Beatles,
Speaker 1: I mean they're like they're like all we're on the
Speaker 1: charge of me. Beatles is like movetown in my life.
Speaker 1: You know another thing that I paid close attention to
Speaker 1: their history. They were it. Okay, them and Jimmy and
Speaker 1: Riggs Okay, slid Stone okay, all right, then you take
Speaker 1: over out to this one. I thought, say this one. Okay,
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson or Prince both, let's go score hy Man. Okay, no,
Speaker 1: but just say both for the hell of it. No,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's crazy. You're probably one of the
Speaker 1: only five guests because we've ever had that has Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson and Prince stories. Like some of the times, a
Speaker 1: person might have a print story, some of them might
Speaker 1: have a Michael Jackson story. Mainly none of them have
Speaker 1: a Michael Jackson, Prince, Tupac and Biggie story. Nobody's had
Speaker 1: a Beatles story. I don't think we've ever talked about
Speaker 1: the bleeders. Who's the Bleatles? You know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: The black Beetles, Nigga. I'm just around. I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: some extra ones in there, Okay, cool, start out or devoid?
Speaker 1: A funk starts out or devoted? Which one of you
Speaker 1: alters certain certain os? Right? Both? Okay? Shit already, my
Speaker 1: brother I expected sloan to each other. This is true?
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, we got ready ahead, Marvin Gaye or
Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder. Jesus, we're going there, y'all gonna have the
Speaker 1: thing bottle in the Hello, Okay, we might start playing
Speaker 1: your band right after this. Sly Stone or Booty Collins.
Speaker 1: Oh damn slash Stone slast he picked. Okay, let me
Speaker 1: let me add to that. Booty Collars or Jimmy Hendricks Jimmen. Okay, Hey,
Speaker 1: Mini'm gonna I'm gonna say over Booster there. Hey Mini,
Speaker 1: all right, but you'll pick some harm. You're being honest.
Speaker 1: Red Man, I'm at the man. Oh shit, both my
Speaker 1: boy I shout out, man met the man, both of them.
Speaker 1: Oh this is a good one. Rick James or James Brown.
Speaker 1: James Brown, I'm about to take a shot. He picked
Speaker 1: because yeah programmed, Yeah yeah, Now, m damn, my mom
Speaker 1: was gonna get into a speech. But let me kill
Speaker 1: out the next one again, rock him or Big Daddy
Speaker 1: King rock him. Okay, you're liking this right now, You're like,
Speaker 1: all right, that's cool. Okay. If Weana or Beyonce, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stop saying this question. For the record, we are
Speaker 1: not putting black women against each other anymore. Both we drink,
Speaker 1: but it did work. You're doing it in the next one.
Speaker 1: You see the next one that Lauren Hill or Missy
Speaker 1: damn both my liver anymore? And what's your name? By
Speaker 1: the way, thirteen you said, am I bad? We're gonna
Speaker 1: take thirteen these? I think we already? Yeah, we had
Speaker 1: thirteen right now? All right? Doing that, that's why, and
Speaker 1: that's why we talked slowing down. Okay, you ready. It's
Speaker 1: a good one. It's a good one. Snoop Dog or
Speaker 1: ice Cube man both yo, get drunk? Yo. You know
Speaker 1: what's crazy though. I like the way he's saying both.
Speaker 1: He's just saying a mass move he smooth. Look, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got the next one. Outcast or ug k all right, No, everybody,
Speaker 1: buddy relaxed outcasts o U g k oh you said outcast? Yeah? Okay?
Speaker 1: Public enemy? Who public enemy or n WA the enemy
Speaker 1: or n W botes. Yeah, I ain't gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take a shot to both for that. Even if you
Speaker 1: were the picked one. Yeah, I would have picked one.
Speaker 1: I would have picked one. And they like brothers almost
Speaker 1: like public Enemy of NWA like coach Q left n WA.
Speaker 1: He went right, that's right, okay, House Party Legends, House
Speaker 1: party or harm Nights. He was in house just when
Speaker 1: I grew up love you know that's my era, the
Speaker 1: half a Dashville they was win we used to wear
Speaker 1: in high school? Was that the last Moe Red Fox
Speaker 1: was in? Yeah? Yeah, but so I can come to
Speaker 1: homem and and that one, so um you're going home
Speaker 1: them nice? Yeah? Okay, I skipped the one you want
Speaker 1: to the New House part of I haven't watched it.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched it Lebron's Hot Lense Okay, yeah, I
Speaker 1: ain't seen it. Yeah, and I heard they really filmed
Speaker 1: it at Lebron House. I heard I think production if not, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, I think he almost so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was really agreed. All right, doctor Dre or Eric Serman.
Speaker 1: That's what we got, Erica about to do, new Erica
Speaker 1: about to do all at least your keys Erica. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to ask what I don't want to ask.
Speaker 1: I want me to ask which the comedian about Erica's instance? Man,
Speaker 1: Now you asked, you just brought up y'all drunk, you
Speaker 1: brought it up. So you have you ever heard of
Speaker 1: Eric about us instance instance or something like that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm smelted, but I was scared to ask as a
Speaker 1: merry man. I don't think I can come to the
Speaker 1: house with Eric about to do instance. I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to have that conversation. I want
Speaker 1: to support. I want to support a collector's item. If
Speaker 1: you bought it as merchen, I guess you can't open it.
Speaker 1: You can't open it. But at some point I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take a ship and I'll be like, let me like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had to ask my bad Okay, this is a
Speaker 1: good one. And he Murphy or Richard Pryde, it's a
Speaker 1: good one both the way. So I look, we definitely
Speaker 1: passed thirteen. Now I got it all over here, I
Speaker 1: got it all right. Oh shit, oh shit, I don't
Speaker 1: m hm, holy shit. You got the next one. He
Speaker 1: was responsible for me. Now you get it. Farrell or
Speaker 1: Kanye real podcast or radio radio Today or radio ever ever,
Speaker 1: whatever you want ain't enough radio. I mean radio, Okay,
Speaker 1: I expect that analog or digital analog. I can't replace that.
Speaker 1: That sound, yeah, that you sound? Yeah, yeah, you go.
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston or Aretha Franklin, Ratha okay, Apporcino or Robert Jenniro.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, both got that was it. That's it. We
Speaker 1: got the last, last one, last last one. We got
Speaker 1: one that got one more. It was the last one.
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks this last question is a trick question. Me
Speaker 1: and FM don't think it. We think it's the only
Speaker 1: time you should say both, right, the only time, but
Speaker 1: most of the time if we should say both as
Speaker 1: the last question, it's called loyalty or respect. Respect? You
Speaker 1: want to explain both? Yeah, okay, Why why he just
Speaker 1: preferred without? I don't know, but it just seemed like
Speaker 1: a couple more ground, right, I respect. That got to
Speaker 1: be loyal. The gotta be loyal. You gotta cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we cool. I must still take a shot to that anyway,
Speaker 1: And that is the end of the oh my solo wait,
Speaker 1: so that we could get back to see at one time,
Speaker 1: the word funk was a bad word. It was it
Speaker 1: was curse word. Right, Yeah, you got your ass whip
Speaker 1: for saying fun funk. Yeah, I mean lots of words
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, think of um, I mean bitch
Speaker 1: a female dog, right, I mean, but it's been taking
Speaker 1: so far out that I don't think nobody even know
Speaker 1: that the connotation being that, right, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: the Tommy gold dogs coming the dogs. That's one of
Speaker 1: my pet peeves that dogs with POPI man's best friend.
Speaker 1: When you want to give somebody an example, how badge
Speaker 1: treat them treating him like a dog, or the vibe
Speaker 1: you put on somebody say bitch. You know it's like
Speaker 1: so intense I'm doing them a Broadway play right about
Speaker 1: that concept about dogs? How many time we got were
Speaker 1: good good? You can take bathroom breaks, do whatever we want.
Speaker 1: This is a story US Custom Coast Guard dope dog
Speaker 1: nickname bust him. Like most dope sniffing dogs, he's got
Speaker 1: a habit train to have the habit pick up the
Speaker 1: tracks of the traffickers and track them like a rabbit
Speaker 1: up the coastline. K nine Control Substance Retriever Receiver of
Speaker 1: the Golden Nose Award for leading him to the cash,
Speaker 1: cashing in on the stash. Now he's in line for
Speaker 1: his issue of the booty. Never do he do a
Speaker 1: line in the line of duty. He's a dope dohole,
Speaker 1: are you? It's Custom Coast Guard dope dog, keenss of smell,
Speaker 1: tracking the tail tale trails of cardtail dope boots, big
Speaker 1: dope never Graham o Z kilo too low key, gotta
Speaker 1: be tons of p blow bells of lumbo while other
Speaker 1: dogs are sniffing one another's tail. He can track the
Speaker 1: profit from a dope sell straight to the stink account
Speaker 1: big banks banking online, the dirty money not stinking. As
Speaker 1: the wind blows, he followed his nose. Old mac uncle
Speaker 1: had some drugs ciaio, and with those drugs he bought
Speaker 1: some arms cia I own. There was a bang bang
Speaker 1: here in the snorts north there here bang their snort
Speaker 1: banging snorts everywhere. Old mac uncle starts a war ci
Speaker 1: ai oh, and the war on drugs. It's hell on
Speaker 1: a dope dog nose. It smells where the nose goes
Speaker 1: when the does close and the dealer want to hide
Speaker 1: the dope in the booty in the twat didn't they
Speaker 1: squat and make the dogs sniff. They bow the foul
Speaker 1: as they fart in his face. Damn for a shitty
Speaker 1: half A Graham undercovered knarc with a bark, took a
Speaker 1: bite out of crime. Posing as a CNI dog. He
Speaker 1: bit the blind man with the cane mate of corp.
Speaker 1: As sure as the dope boats float, the meatia goes comatose.
Speaker 1: Unrelated over the counter. Overdose now become drug related aiding
Speaker 1: the embedded by a lot of apprehension and indifference. The
Speaker 1: bigger the headache, the bigger the pill. Y'all can take
Speaker 1: your medicine now because you're gonna be ill. When I
Speaker 1: tell you the deal on dope. There's more profit in
Speaker 1: pretending that we're stopping it than selling it. M you
Speaker 1: coming who control of fame, coming the world the pill.
Speaker 1: To be honest, that sh was so crazy. I didn't
Speaker 1: know whether the clapp I say amen at one point.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, that was the play. But the whole thing
Speaker 1: is about dogs and their relation to drugs. You know,
Speaker 1: some dogs they used to test chemicals on for perfume,
Speaker 1: some dogs they use for drugs snipping and you don't
Speaker 1: have to get the dogs. I have it go up
Speaker 1: your nose, you get nah. And that's what that's the
Speaker 1: whole thing. We saw him doing it at this college
Speaker 1: when he was training the dogs, and that's when I
Speaker 1: really damn. And so I've been yeah and like you said,
Speaker 1: every time, and they have to go through that shit
Speaker 1: cold turkey. Yeah. Now, one thing that's amazing, right is
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a good friend of ours in front
Speaker 1: of the show DJ College, DJ Collins. I think he
Speaker 1: just announced that he celebrated his fourteenth album. Sure, we
Speaker 1: don't want to doubt it, but right so I think
Speaker 1: and he's he's opening um a Snipe store and um
Speaker 1: South Beast. So so he's announcing his fourteenth album. So
Speaker 1: I'm searching. And again he blew my fucking mind, y'all
Speaker 1: throughout nineteen albums in nineteen seventy. Oh yeah, over nineteen years.
Speaker 1: And no, no, no, DMX was crazy in the seventies
Speaker 1: or the seventies nineteen, I know that's crazy. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's more than that problem because we was doing
Speaker 1: and we were doing what to called industrial music, which
Speaker 1: is like punk rock m they because a new wave
Speaker 1: and was that in England? Like was that England? And
Speaker 1: here we did a lot of those that a lot
Speaker 1: of people just now founding out about. You know. It
Speaker 1: was like the Chili Peppers, but a little heavier, a
Speaker 1: little harder really, and they were sampling records they were
Speaker 1: doing like hip hop, sampling it with rock and roll
Speaker 1: band playing with it, you know, with a heavy metal
Speaker 1: like that was a concept that was it something like
Speaker 1: like oh my god, those my boy yea, yeah, me
Speaker 1: to a lot with them too. Nobody not get along
Speaker 1: with you, just just so you know, huh, there's there's
Speaker 1: no one in this world that don't get along with you.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's the thing we made sure. I tell
Speaker 1: the band that you get along with whoever the fuck
Speaker 1: is on the show, whether we close in the opening,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's everybody want to work with you.
Speaker 1: That's an easy one, you know what I mean, you
Speaker 1: just I figure out would at some of them you
Speaker 1: have to stay out of their way. The ultimate network,
Speaker 1: you know, some of them. Really, what should be even
Speaker 1: say out because something people I don't think I don't
Speaker 1: me right, Um, I'm forty five, right, Um. Somebody gets
Speaker 1: said to me old man. Somebody get said to me young, right,
Speaker 1: but to me for my generation, everyone salutes you everyone. No,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. That's that's gets saluted. You just
Speaker 1: can't held some people's way concern. What do you mean
Speaker 1: you stay out of some people with I mean, some
Speaker 1: people just have their thing that they do. They don't
Speaker 1: want to conform to being friends with nobody none of that.
Speaker 1: Like Patty the Bell gets out here in the same seat,
Speaker 1: and Patty the Bell said it was one artist that
Speaker 1: she couldn't stand. Not I read the franklin. I don't
Speaker 1: read the franklin. She was just saying that there was
Speaker 1: one artist that she couldn't stand and it was a
Speaker 1: younger artist. It was a younger artist, and and she
Speaker 1: just like avoided her. And oh yeah, not like you
Speaker 1: can avoid some people that could keep keep. You have
Speaker 1: to void some people. You gotta be able to read people.
Speaker 1: That's what it did. You go and they end up
Speaker 1: liking you too, because they know they ain't got new
Speaker 1: no problem with you, you know. But you said Patty,
Speaker 1: I saw Patty thing. I used to do Patty and
Speaker 1: knownans both. I used to do their hair really when
Speaker 1: they were like Patty LaBelle and the Blue Bell, that's
Speaker 1: what they were called. I sold my heart to the
Speaker 1: junk Man in nineteen fifty nine, sixty sixty, nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1: I used to do their head, patting head, little waves
Speaker 1: in the head. No, I didn't know his head as
Speaker 1: late as the ninety seven I did in Paris just
Speaker 1: for Sills is literally had my body right now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I used to do but we didn't have a barber shop.
Speaker 1: We did stars here. Everybody came through Jersey, So not
Speaker 1: just Plainfield or fifteen miles from Plainfield. I mean everybody
Speaker 1: came through New York. In New York, worked in New
Speaker 1: York at Playboys on Seventh Avenue, one hundred twenty fifth Street,
Speaker 1: So you did all kind of stars here. I mean then,
Speaker 1: I mean Dionne. You know her husband Bill Elliott, the drummer,
Speaker 1: used to do his heir. I mean all kind of star.
Speaker 1: I can Dame drop all day when he comes to
Speaker 1: the head taking a shot just cause I got my shot.
Speaker 1: I'm taking a shot just because we're taking a hair shot.
Speaker 1: You know, listen, I ain't gonna lie, don't. I don't
Speaker 1: like I think since Patti of the Bell has been here,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever had chills like this. And
Speaker 1: I got like deeper chills because I'm learning shit that
Speaker 1: I like. I thought I knew everything about you, and
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't like it just keeps growing and
Speaker 1: growing and you didn't talk. I'll be thinking of shit
Speaker 1: that I feeling. Got stuff. I mean for these kind
Speaker 1: of shows. Shit. But let me ask, let me let
Speaker 1: me do a left field question. I got it's just
Speaker 1: left field question. Um, how about a little Richard you
Speaker 1: ever met a little Richard? Le met a little Richard
Speaker 1: at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame myself, Eddie
Speaker 1: in the OJS. Who else? Wait? Wait talking about hold on?
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, guys, Oh god, hold let me
Speaker 1: just let me just tell you the frost just now.
Speaker 1: I just said, did you haven't met Richard? It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the hold of who the fuck? Ain't like that? Because
Speaker 1: I remember that was one of the first places that
Speaker 1: I've met him and talked to him. I knew him
Speaker 1: over the years, but we was on something Cleveland, right
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, and they were just getting it together. A
Speaker 1: couple of years after they got together and we had
Speaker 1: to go. Then I gave some kind of one of
Speaker 1: my costumes or something myself, him, Eddie, and there's somebody
Speaker 1: else I just can't remember who it was, but another
Speaker 1: one of the older guys from that era. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: a little Richard. That was. That was little Richard jereddy
Speaker 1: Lewis Elvis Presley that I started the group. And you're
Speaker 1: telling me you did a show with Elvis. No, No,
Speaker 1: I didn't do the show with Elvis, but I tried.
Speaker 1: I tried to write songs from him. What's your take
Speaker 1: on Elvis. You know, there's all this mixtapes. Some people
Speaker 1: would be like, he stole our ship. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: did you want people to do your ship? You want
Speaker 1: people to cover your records. I mean that's what song
Speaker 1: writing this for. You want somebody else to do it.
Speaker 1: Then he might have did it too soon. He got
Speaker 1: more publicity than you. But that's the game you're in,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean, here's just it was just
Speaker 1: what was happening. And a lot of pop stations wouldn't
Speaker 1: play R and B versions of it, but they play
Speaker 1: the Patty um Elvis is was pat Boom. He did
Speaker 1: a lot of our stung at the same time, the
Speaker 1: black artist would have him out. Now that hurts you feeling.
Speaker 1: Wait wait I'm saying I mean that's really wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be just straight racist at that point? All this is racist?
Speaker 1: I mean, homes Over sounds like, I mean, the whole
Speaker 1: systems is that. I mean, we're still trying to evolve
Speaker 1: out that. But everything has been that trying to you know,
Speaker 1: even and I come on out of it and evolve
Speaker 1: into we're fighting for them. But yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 1: I mean that, but you know, it was just it's normal.
Speaker 1: Then it's normal then, but it's not as bad as
Speaker 1: it was. Then. As soon as you got to hit
Speaker 1: the record, the pop stations can find somebody to do
Speaker 1: it and they play theirs. Now that that really going
Speaker 1: to you said, as soon as you had to hit record,
Speaker 1: the pop stations will get but they wouldn't. Somebody would
Speaker 1: could cover, and they played their version first because that
Speaker 1: was the way they knew could work in that And
Speaker 1: and let me just let say the act that's what
Speaker 1: Elvis was doing. But yeah, I mean that they were
Speaker 1: the first d like when some of the first song, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what he was doing. Wow, be done in New York.
Speaker 1: Murray the Kay who was out of Brooklyn. He used
Speaker 1: to have shows with everybody on it and be RMB
Speaker 1: things black and white and pop and everything. Before the
Speaker 1: stations broke themselves up into playing R and B pop,
Speaker 1: everybody's tried to get their own niche that's when it's
Speaker 1: separated into the real hard thing where you have to
Speaker 1: cross over to get to the pop station and get
Speaker 1: a hit regular. But still was in the hood only
Speaker 1: you know, you had to go through that until the
Speaker 1: underground stations, which was the FM stations at the time,
Speaker 1: what WAYM was the main AM was and FM was
Speaker 1: nobody was on FM but sucking up our whole childhood
Speaker 1: right now. I mean just like jazz was jazz, gospel, rock,
Speaker 1: heavy I mean not heavy mail, but rock underground, not
Speaker 1: you ever just pop rock. They couldn't get on the
Speaker 1: on the on the underground station. They were the only
Speaker 1: ones that liked Fmcuse FM is bigger FM, bigger thing.
Speaker 1: Big AM was the hood you right a Crosstown the
Speaker 1: station change on you as soon as you get across town.
Speaker 1: And another and then seventies, I mean FM started to
Speaker 1: become BLS. Prob was one of the first in New
Speaker 1: York to start becoming playing regular which is the first
Speaker 1: I think had the hip hop show. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: w w r L was the other stations the magic
Speaker 1: it played. It was the pop version. But when BLS
Speaker 1: come out, it was the peg station and plus they
Speaker 1: sounded better. It was in stereo. AM wasn't in stereo,
Speaker 1: you know, wow, you AM was just two speakers playing
Speaker 1: the same thing. So was it just because AM was
Speaker 1: always just first and then FM was the new thing
Speaker 1: that was Both AM stations had an FM station. They
Speaker 1: had both of them, but nobody just listened to them.
Speaker 1: Nobody had no stereo radio since it was what they
Speaker 1: were listening one. It wasn't ready for FM. Ye, I
Speaker 1: mean they would big a station, but you didn't get
Speaker 1: that that stereo with the music travelical right, And that
Speaker 1: became popular when Jimmy Hendricks came out, the Beatles came
Speaker 1: out and all those people that started playing with it,
Speaker 1: mixing it like mixing it like then when you started
Speaker 1: hitting ship running around, and then film became saw it
Speaker 1: becoming popular in the seventies. Wow, I mean groups like
Speaker 1: James Brown. To us, it was always AM. It was
Speaker 1: straight a M. You know, that's why I was such
Speaker 1: good dance music. You know James Brown's song we should
Speaker 1: call him two for nineteen seven because it was that tight,
Speaker 1: you know, real tight dance music. You know you didn't
Speaker 1: want to You couldn't listen to the album of that,
Speaker 1: not even it's hard to do that. Our first records
Speaker 1: you get on your nerve all that banging, But when
Speaker 1: FM come in you can get the colors of the
Speaker 1: stereo and stuff. Then you actually appreciate it. Let me
Speaker 1: let me ask you real quick, is there something to
Speaker 1: the idea that They said that a lot of music
Speaker 1: popped off in the seventies, late sixties, in early seventies
Speaker 1: because of the soldiers coming back from Vietnam. What they
Speaker 1: were listening, that's what That's what we played too. When
Speaker 1: we did Maggot Brain Free your Mind. You asked for
Speaker 1: following America, he's just young. Those were the songs that
Speaker 1: the soldiers came back sin that helped them through through
Speaker 1: through the people we were playing to the war. I mean,
Speaker 1: we was getting that from the rocks groups, you know
Speaker 1: who from Europe who was talking about that stuff. So
Speaker 1: we peeped that and we were able to do it.
Speaker 1: America said jump provocative type concept like biological speculation, you know,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I was saying stuff that I knew
Speaker 1: it was political or social. You're not not trying to
Speaker 1: be no preacher. I always avoided that. You know, people
Speaker 1: want to. We did it just to bring it up
Speaker 1: to make you think it was like more like what
Speaker 1: is because we say some absurd things that I wasn't into,
Speaker 1: but just I know that people are into. But we
Speaker 1: do it just because for the shot value. Just so
Speaker 1: what if this was the case. But there's somebody that's
Speaker 1: saying this, so we would mirror what the street is saying.
Speaker 1: That's what art do. Aren't usually mirror what the society
Speaker 1: is talking about what they're doing, And you ain't the artist.
Speaker 1: It's just this is what we see, this is what
Speaker 1: we're reported them. That's hip hop came along and it
Speaker 1: was doing the same thing with the same concept of
Speaker 1: playing the dozens. It's that it doesn't into news. That's
Speaker 1: what I mean. Even say in WA I was I
Speaker 1: was sold on New York Rep. I wasn't Compton. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't even into the West Coast being you know,
Speaker 1: hardcore gangster rep. That didn't to me. It was like that.
Speaker 1: But they was into you being hard hook Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they headed out of you. They had grass in the
Speaker 1: front yard and both parents home. Yeah, I'm from the
Speaker 1: church with concrete everything. He had to be in the
Speaker 1: projects to be that kind of so vividly to me,
Speaker 1: that's what that changed. The truth. They was telling the
Speaker 1: news of what was going on, and I thought, Compton,
Speaker 1: I'm like that, say, no, ghetto, this isn't a cute
Speaker 1: to me. I'm New York and the projects on frist
Speaker 1: Street and New Ork Fort Green projects in Brook. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was hard, hard copy square more but sure enough
Speaker 1: that it was like was popping off. And to me,
Speaker 1: I was beginning to be more afraid of being there,
Speaker 1: you know, because I ain't no more than somebody shooting
Speaker 1: at you and too scared to you know, just just
Speaker 1: shoot them. And that's the way it was. They weren't
Speaker 1: nobody wouldn't verstly being gangsters. That was just what was happening.
Speaker 1: And New York it was almost over by the time
Speaker 1: it was happening that that police are tell you, man,
Speaker 1: don't make don't blow my job. Man, come on to
Speaker 1: take that. I know, you get lost your job and
Speaker 1: problemlah blah, you know, but they get your break. It
Speaker 1: was hard as hell in la you wouldn't get no breaks.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, but um so let me ask you. You
Speaker 1: went you went fishing one time in the Bahamas and
Speaker 1: you saw aliens. I'm going fishing lots of time. Nobody
Speaker 1: ain't seen the aliens has seen U. Well, ufo, how
Speaker 1: how to put it me? Neither? I mean right now
Speaker 1: it's the government is saying this crest. I'm so convinced
Speaker 1: of that. I'm okay with the crazies down any day
Speaker 1: now I'm ready for that to jump off. That would
Speaker 1: not surprise me. But I'm saying, what happened. He's time
Speaker 1: about boots. And I was riding in Toronto and we
Speaker 1: saw like a laser been dead the middle of the day,
Speaker 1: nice right laser in the daylight. That's a weird look,
Speaker 1: that's thing right. Yes, we saw it hit the ground
Speaker 1: by them, a couple of blocks in front of us.
Speaker 1: We got there, didn't see. I said, what was that?
Speaker 1: He said, I don't know. So we drove another three minutes.
Speaker 1: The same thing came down through. Now we're off the highway.
Speaker 1: We're on us a secondary street. Come right down through
Speaker 1: the trees, two blocks in front of us. We see
Speaker 1: it right out of the sky and right through the
Speaker 1: trees and hit when he hit the ground and looked
Speaker 1: like electricity splatting is popping. Okay, we see that landing
Speaker 1: on the same side of the street we were on.
Speaker 1: Next one landing in the same block. Now in the
Speaker 1: same on the other side of the street. And I
Speaker 1: reached to the radio, you know, to turn down to look.
Speaker 1: And then the third one hit the car on the
Speaker 1: passenger side. It beat it up like you know, like
Speaker 1: mercury and or thermometer, you know what they look and
Speaker 1: just dribble over the side of the car. Yes, Now,
Speaker 1: this is only like three minutes from where we just
Speaker 1: seen the lazer. I mean when it looked like a
Speaker 1: laser when we hit the car. Our attention for like years,
Speaker 1: I didn't think about this for years, was on the
Speaker 1: fact that the street lights were going down. They were
Speaker 1: demon they were demmon. They you know, it was like
Speaker 1: the street lights was home and they were going off.
Speaker 1: The car lights was doing. That was demming. You could
Speaker 1: see way down two blocks in front of the lights
Speaker 1: going out and boots you driving say what is it?
Speaker 1: I don't get the funk out of here. We get
Speaker 1: three blocks and this and looked the left. You can
Speaker 1: see street lights on and it looked like traffic was moving.
Speaker 1: We get to the house, parks in the driveway and
Speaker 1: don't say shit. We said that for like three minutes
Speaker 1: and my daughter walks out, Wow, y'all look like y'all
Speaker 1: seen the ghost. And he said, she said, you know,
Speaker 1: give me a hug. I'm going to bed now. Remember
Speaker 1: I told you the weirdest thing about seeing it the
Speaker 1: first time, that was in daylight. Right, this is only
Speaker 1: like five minutes away from when that Now it's dark.
Speaker 1: Now it's dark and she's going to bed. I mean
Speaker 1: it's seven o'clock. We didn't not think about that for
Speaker 1: at least ten years. You gotta duct it. We did
Speaker 1: not think about the fact that that time discrepancy from
Speaker 1: the first time he saw it to the street lights
Speaker 1: going out to we're going to be I had the
Speaker 1: car boots. I'm on the road years later and said,
Speaker 1: when I thought about it like that, I said, what
Speaker 1: what time did we get to Toronto? He said ten
Speaker 1: or so in the morning. I said, great, Um, when
Speaker 1: we saw the light the first time that it was daylight?
Speaker 1: I said it was daylight, right? He said, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was daylight. It was weird. That's what made it weird.
Speaker 1: That was in daylight. There's only three blocks from there
Speaker 1: to where the light hit the car. I say, why
Speaker 1: was the street lights going out? And why? And why
Speaker 1: was was Rolla going to bed at seven and night?
Speaker 1: Is it? Man? Fuck you? What happened to that time?
Speaker 1: We never thought about that? Just classic abduction story. And
Speaker 1: I gotta ask was there any rugs involved? No? No.
Speaker 1: The thing is we had just come from Detroit from
Speaker 1: the studio had to come to custom because you know
Speaker 1: Detroit and um Canada, right yea yeah, customer a format,
Speaker 1: so we had to come to custom. We ain't come
Speaker 1: through the custom and no drugs yet the fact I
Speaker 1: had to go look for something. After that, You're like,
Speaker 1: that should sucked up so much. I respect that. That's
Speaker 1: that's that, and that was Oh yeah that I believed
Speaker 1: in that. Anyway, I'm gonna start trek freak to all
Speaker 1: of that. I'm believing any you believe in ghost to, right,
Speaker 1: you believe in aliens. I believe in ghost to and
Speaker 1: I believe I mean one of them ships, one of
Speaker 1: them sits. I mean I'm interested. I'm interested in it.
Speaker 1: Wow man. Yeah, But like I said, so, you know,
Speaker 1: remember the time you was fishing and you saw aliens
Speaker 1: and Bahamas. I remembers nor I seen the story where
Speaker 1: you're describing where you was fishing. You've been seeing eliots
Speaker 1: a lot. He hadn't seen the aliens though he's seen
Speaker 1: he's seen like that situation. Well, they didn't get to
Speaker 1: see who was doing. He didn't see Homie and that
Speaker 1: believe that he believed that ship. Hell yeah. So right
Speaker 1: now with the government saying all this stuff. They're saying
Speaker 1: that must be wild after you've seen something like that
Speaker 1: in the past. I'm just waiting. Didn't convince of that ship.
Speaker 1: You know, you know Puerto Rico, they say got the
Speaker 1: biggest alien shit going on. I'm not lot they got.
Speaker 1: They got a one coming out the water. They got
Speaker 1: a big thing. No, bro is not real, man, he
Speaker 1: is you when you get too drunk. Maybe maybe No, No,
Speaker 1: I want to actually want to go. I couldn't even
Speaker 1: I was trying to go through a bunch of the
Speaker 1: records as sampled sampled you guys, und records they sampled you.
Speaker 1: Is that it's like it's more by now twenty six
Speaker 1: or twenty seven. But let's just say some of some
Speaker 1: of the songs in hip hop and this is just
Speaker 1: some This doesn't even scratch the surface. Me myself an idea.
Speaker 1: I saw two versions of it. Dre Day Dre Who
Speaker 1: am I snooped? Come on, come on, tentent dre Day
Speaker 1: Dre day tent. I mean I'm probably the worst one day.
Speaker 1: That was not good. No, it was better than your rendition. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll get back to that. How to Survive in South
Speaker 1: Central ice Qua Classic gold Digger EPMD, Stranded on Death Road,
Speaker 1: dre Funking lesson x Clan. You got Strata Compton, which
Speaker 1: I said earlier n W, which is crazy. I know
Speaker 1: you got sold Eric B and rock Him. We had
Speaker 1: twelve songs in the on that album straight of a
Speaker 1: couple of the movie be oh in the movie twelve,
Speaker 1: A couple more, A couple more you got, uh, I said,
Speaker 1: I know you got sold very being rock Camp, Blue Cheese,
Speaker 1: Umc's Static by Jay Rue, the Damager Teacher, Teacher Slick Rick.
Speaker 1: And I mean I could keep going, to be honest,
Speaker 1: you keep going, keep going. No, No, I stopped. I stopped.
Speaker 1: I was writing them all. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: I was going through records that I love, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, oh man. I started writing him
Speaker 1: that that that is um And I mean, and he's
Speaker 1: recorded records with Cube and Poking. I'm sure there's a
Speaker 1: lot more than that. But him Brown, we did a
Speaker 1: lot together. You did. We did In a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: we did an album together, Chilling Up the Pee. It
Speaker 1: was like when they last one, were you close with shock? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because he him he was in Tampa
Speaker 1: and you live in Tallahassee. Now we did a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff together him, him and Pee Wee did stuff
Speaker 1: on our records too. He was really tired. You know.
Speaker 1: It sucks the same one they were. They were crapping,
Speaker 1: they had a singing group. He said, And you remember
Speaker 1: the name of that man? No, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I do remember that pop was standing stuff? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do remember. Was he a good jazzer? Huh? Was
Speaker 1: he a good jazzer? Part that area? Yeah, the flytop
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Yeah, Well, what was your take since
Speaker 1: you knew him from back then to till later on?
Speaker 1: It was intelligent dude, that and I mean, and they
Speaker 1: had such good, good material as Digital Underground, you know
Speaker 1: that it was. It was created, very creative, and he
Speaker 1: was right for the time, whatever that time was. He
Speaker 1: was the one that that that thing came through and
Speaker 1: whatever it was. He had to write temptful for whatever
Speaker 1: it was, you know, because I just tell them, men,
Speaker 1: be careful, man, he's police. They gonna get you there.
Speaker 1: You can't just shoot him in the booty and get
Speaker 1: away from after he shot, though you got out of it.
Speaker 1: I'd be looking over my shoulders now own. And that's
Speaker 1: when he got in trout with the girl and you
Speaker 1: know everything. It was just scary but m and it
Speaker 1: had it fast too, because people it seems like a
Speaker 1: long time, but it all happened pretty fast, you know.
Speaker 1: But that era, I didn't trust nothing, you know, the
Speaker 1: government or what was going on, because I know they
Speaker 1: was trying to get rid of hip hop was more
Speaker 1: of a danger getting along, you know, like if East
Speaker 1: Coast and West Coast would have got together, that was
Speaker 1: a dangerous thing for the country. The authority was concerned,
Speaker 1: and I thought a lot of people are gonna get
Speaker 1: played with that one. I was really worried about. Are
Speaker 1: you with East Coast? What I mean, that wasn't a concept.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a thing, you know. To me, everybody's got
Speaker 1: to be together, right And the thing about you is
Speaker 1: your music is so bright and so so universal. I
Speaker 1: don't think I think you're one of those guys that
Speaker 1: people think you're from out of the planet. Oh you
Speaker 1: know what, my man used to my band, just trying
Speaker 1: to get me to be a preacher. But that was
Speaker 1: the asset that was I read a few books that
Speaker 1: had some positive ship in it, and that ship, what
Speaker 1: did you replease do you remember. I mean I look
Speaker 1: at them now, they were just like shit you get
Speaker 1: on a magic store something you know that had that
Speaker 1: positive everybody uses it. Every organization was used as certain prisons,
Speaker 1: and and they worked any real but nobody really like affirmations.
Speaker 1: And but I was on ascid and I believe it,
Speaker 1: and and to me it actually worked now that I see,
Speaker 1: I avoided a lot of shit, but not being upset
Speaker 1: that shit because the actually I was able to like
Speaker 1: write that's I ain't got nothing in any about me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew how to skate around it, and
Speaker 1: I pick out the best size of shit, and somebody
Speaker 1: I can always fund the positive side of it and
Speaker 1: the rest of it. I don't need that ship. If
Speaker 1: I ain't got to it, don't bother me that they
Speaker 1: do it. I just stay have that part, and I
Speaker 1: get the part that I need special musician. You can't
Speaker 1: do the wrong. If you're great, I want to music
Speaker 1: to the other bullshit. I ain't got to sleep with you.
Speaker 1: So the ego and all of that, you're like, as
Speaker 1: long as you bread as time as you can play half.
Speaker 1: You need an ego to do this business. You absolutely
Speaker 1: needn't to be an artist and any of you just
Speaker 1: have to know how to rule that motherfuck and manage
Speaker 1: it and you go. It'll work without you if you
Speaker 1: don't let it. The egos the only thing that gives
Speaker 1: you the confidence to the forward to go out in
Speaker 1: front of people. Yeah, you just have to. I'm a ham,
Speaker 1: you know. Put as simple as that. I'm a ham,
Speaker 1: So I know how. I'll take pictures all day. I
Speaker 1: can show off like a muff on stage, but I
Speaker 1: know better than that ship believing that I'm all that.
Speaker 1: When I feel like I need to say that, I
Speaker 1: go in the bathroom. You're a bad the fucker you.
Speaker 1: This isn't flushed the toilet. That ship when you come out,
Speaker 1: when you come out, there's gonna be somethuther tell you
Speaker 1: ain't shit, you know, and you got to deal with it.
Speaker 1: Give you your feelings hurt right? Nah? Nah? You know
Speaker 1: you know what. Like I said, you know, when we
Speaker 1: locked this interview down, I just kept researching you, research you.
Speaker 1: And the one thing that I noticed is artists throughout
Speaker 1: the years sometimes they smile get demo and they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't they smile, doesn't seem the same. One thing
Speaker 1: about you is your smile got brighter man when pandemic
Speaker 1: came down. You know, I've been like the Payton. I've
Speaker 1: been doing that for you know, Douln for a long time.
Speaker 1: The pandemic came out, we need nothing to do. My
Speaker 1: way bought me a bunch of canvases I got I
Speaker 1: didn't in the house, and I started painting. I've been
Speaker 1: doing so good with selling art lately. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: your art, right, We just did that a few minutes
Speaker 1: ago for you. I'm taking that home, Jonah, Jonah, how
Speaker 1: are you jacking all of us? But that's what that's
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. And that's like I didn't even
Speaker 1: repeat that. I thought that was like somebody writing graffiti,
Speaker 1: because you know he was doing graffiti. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: we racist and shit. So like I thought, it's a
Speaker 1: Spanish guy just here, just wrong, it was. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a Spanish guy as well. Oh that guy right there
Speaker 1: all right, he's around him in Miami. He painted up
Speaker 1: so you're told him to do this and he just
Speaker 1: did it. He been he was doing down. So this
Speaker 1: is the funk is we got full fact art bullies
Speaker 1: Jonah myself and just got to do an album covers
Speaker 1: over to Lord bullies. We've been doing this since art
Speaker 1: Basils started around and were right, she had us down here.
Speaker 1: You were coming here before when we was a tourist trap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's when we was. I I should have a
Speaker 1: boot right over in the marina because because this was
Speaker 1: this was a dirt back That's why the graffiti rights
Speaker 1: were out here, because the cops was in coming. Was
Speaker 1: one of the first one that had us down there
Speaker 1: doing that. Because Alice's still running, running, running out of here.
Speaker 1: Now I come back, then look at the whole city.
Speaker 1: Is graffiti outed out with duck tourists. Yeah, yeah, art bullies.
Speaker 1: But so that's one of the things too that stood
Speaker 1: out to me about these albums that you were putting out.
Speaker 1: It was a black superhero kind of themes theme. Like
Speaker 1: it was like and I think I remember you hearing
Speaker 1: hearing you say something, say something about those obviously the
Speaker 1: seventies at least when I go on research, and I think,
Speaker 1: I mean he said, you know, the artists might die,
Speaker 1: but the character would never die. Characters never, never one
Speaker 1: of my characters. Never the Mickey Mouse and all that
Speaker 1: be round forever. Yeah, but you realize that's out here.
Speaker 1: You won't even realize that. Yeah, yeah, that's where I
Speaker 1: look at it. I try to do my characters like that,
Speaker 1: like play a Tommy Dog. We gotta we gotta thing
Speaker 1: that with the Q Dogs that's coming out. There's coming
Speaker 1: at any minute now is the que Dogs version of
Speaker 1: a Tommy Dog. That's gonna blown by the dog. And
Speaker 1: I mean, for real, for real, you're gonna I mean,
Speaker 1: you're gonna see some political I mean, the QUS be
Speaker 1: stomping on it. But we keep the characters alive, you
Speaker 1: know that. But but but but let me just reivate
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. It was the black superhero
Speaker 1: characters that we had never seen, but you see a
Speaker 1: lot of them now. Yeah, now you know I mean
Speaker 1: since Wander Conda Conda, Yes, since that that came out,
Speaker 1: and that all these Hancock, let's just start all of that.
Speaker 1: Reggie Hutton, we was working with him when he first
Speaker 1: got out of college. He's been playing on doing pe
Speaker 1: funk and now Eddie Murphy is getting ready to do me.
Speaker 1: He's playing me weird college wait wait wait wait wait
Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
Speaker 1: me right now in this coming out all over the thing.
Speaker 1: And okay, so Eddie Murphy playing played me in the
Speaker 1: new and one coming out. Chris Kleifand is playing me
Speaker 1: right now. They got the one called Spinning Gold, which
Speaker 1: is about Castle Blanca. You know, Donna Summer's Kiss in
Speaker 1: Parliament and all that. The Neil Bogard that'll be out
Speaker 1: in two or three weeks Spinning Gold, and that's that's
Speaker 1: wizards playing myself. He did a pretty good job. I
Speaker 1: saw that. Why and once you're smoking weed back then
Speaker 1: smoking we I mean I did WoT life. Now we
Speaker 1: went smoking weed back because I'm wondering where this wiz
Speaker 1: go to smoke? Now we were doing, we were doing.
Speaker 1: It was cool. Then it was the Bogle bottles, you know,
Speaker 1: running the neck with the change. Wait, I'm time, I've
Speaker 1: never heard this one time on up you have bottles
Speaker 1: around already know about it. I mean that was the
Speaker 1: Hollywood that hold on. You had necklaces full of class
Speaker 1: with little bottles. Didn't even it wasn't even legal. It
Speaker 1: was never heard a necklace for the coal gate Cuban links. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's like that, you know, And then you know it
Speaker 1: got so wild and pretty soon, didn't everybody doing lines
Speaker 1: and that became later on. It was. It was so
Speaker 1: it started out nettle spoons and ship you know, and
Speaker 1: then people went crazy and started over doing because no
Speaker 1: one knew what cocaine was. Back then you knew what
Speaker 1: you didn't. Marijuana was not in the hood. D some
Speaker 1: people did, people with money did. And then I feel
Speaker 1: like the people around they were like there was some
Speaker 1: money thing. They moved their hands like this. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like upper society was doing it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like you see no classical people when they look, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was money thing. Yeah. When they made it where
Speaker 1: it get in the streets and when they hit to
Speaker 1: the hood, the hood fucked it up. Had to cook
Speaker 1: it cook put water hood with Old Bay on that
Speaker 1: ship the hood them but the Old Bay and barbecue sauce.
Speaker 1: I had a robe on with a box of bacon
Speaker 1: soda on it. That was That was the like the emblem.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what I was angling. You
Speaker 1: got me because you because I hadn't had a Newport.
Speaker 1: I diamond out Newport the whole box of bacon. You win,
Speaker 1: you winning. It was about it's called getting fucked up
Speaker 1: and when you when you get fucked up, you do
Speaker 1: fucked up ship, And that's all it was. Everybody was
Speaker 1: out there who could get fucked up? And who could
Speaker 1: do it? Dude? You know whatever the styling is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was looking back at it was stupid, but I
Speaker 1: got out of it coming. I'm gonna tell you my
Speaker 1: one of my first not one of my first, was
Speaker 1: just one of the first times I realized that Hollywood
Speaker 1: is different from New York. Was, Um, I had a
Speaker 1: packet of cigarettes, and I from a pack of cigarettes.
Speaker 1: I went to a Hollywood uh uh, just a Hollywood party,
Speaker 1: right networking thing. Yeah, this is a Hollywood party and
Speaker 1: I had a packet of cigarette. I put a pack
Speaker 1: of cigarettes and a white dude came into me and said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I give you an eight ball for that. Yeah, he said,
Speaker 1: theready what I've seen that, But he wanted a whole cigarette.
Speaker 1: He wanted a cigarette battle of money. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: he wanted the whole eight more. Goddamn, we're looking good.
Speaker 1: Come on, let's over some toploers in there. Got work, brother,
Speaker 1: you know, we flyout him in from perud it's the
Speaker 1: row planks, oh man, peru just but we just flamm
Speaker 1: in from listening America, the role Peru. I like Perui
Speaker 1: and a week and did he did run and he
Speaker 1: just he just comes to here the role Bluss and
Speaker 1: wrestle pigeons here mingo pigeons. And that's our brother Boris
Speaker 1: right there, beats in the hood. He's a producer. Boys
Speaker 1: came in with that guy Dad. So so what is
Speaker 1: your favorite part of the game. Is it to make
Speaker 1: the record or perform the record? Wow? Probably performing it?
Speaker 1: But when when I get a chance to make it
Speaker 1: under the conditions, I like to make it in I
Speaker 1: enjoyed the hell out of that because lie to crazy,
Speaker 1: try kind of crazy shit a different ways. So I
Speaker 1: like making it too, but I like performing it. Yes,
Speaker 1: that once you know we get on the stages, that's
Speaker 1: second heaven for me. But but you said you prefer
Speaker 1: analog over digital, right, But now, with all the things
Speaker 1: you could do with digital when you are recording, is
Speaker 1: there anything about digital you love that you could manipulate
Speaker 1: and do all these different sounds easier than you could
Speaker 1: with analog. Well, yeah, you didn't do a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: just faster and stuff like that. I mean yeah, and
Speaker 1: then the editing stuff that you can do, I mean,
Speaker 1: you just gotta cut t look at the scope and
Speaker 1: do it. That's that's not even fair. We had to,
Speaker 1: like and you literally had to cut tape, tape, little
Speaker 1: pieces of tape with We had tape all around a
Speaker 1: beat everywhere. And if you put it upside down and
Speaker 1: put it back in the room, it's backwards. For a second,
Speaker 1: do you take it out and turn it over? We
Speaker 1: had tape, We had to cut up everything. Now you
Speaker 1: just look at the scope and the engineer I got
Speaker 1: now he don't even have You don't have to listen
Speaker 1: at it. He can give me an ed all for
Speaker 1: a word just about the scope respect. So that's that's
Speaker 1: the easy. But the feeling of him right now, the
Speaker 1: analog feeling up two inch skate, there's a whole nother thing.
Speaker 1: And it's heavy as a motherfucker. Yeah, even especially when
Speaker 1: they sampled it, if they sampled it off a record
Speaker 1: as opposed to the tape, Yeah, that's shit. It's hot.
Speaker 1: I mean when you listen back you sample something like
Speaker 1: listening to a run DMC, that was some hot shit.
Speaker 1: I mean you know that damn the bottom on it.
Speaker 1: And if they put an eight or eight on that,
Speaker 1: it ain't the same as nowadays they do. It still
Speaker 1: feel good. It's a whole other thing. Did you ever
Speaker 1: hear there's um a quote h DJ Quick? I think
Speaker 1: he was on ty Lib's and Quick said something about
Speaker 1: he felt that recording analog and on and on tape
Speaker 1: that the because of the magnetism that's one on there,
Speaker 1: that it's it's capturing the energy in the room. I
Speaker 1: believe so, yeah, and I and I believe that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a thing they actually you can actually
Speaker 1: record the sound of an EMP studio. We just record
Speaker 1: the which is ecstatic, that's just the studio, and put
Speaker 1: that on a track and have a track of just
Speaker 1: that empty studio in there, and record the drums somewhere
Speaker 1: else for them. When you mix it, mix them together,
Speaker 1: it sound like the drummers is played at this studio
Speaker 1: in a certain studio. Certain studio studios have their own
Speaker 1: you know, ambient sound. Just putting mics up in the
Speaker 1: studio and record the studio niked studio, and then go
Speaker 1: and put anybody anywhere else. It's cheating you. I recorded
Speaker 1: this a united sound because the studio have a sound
Speaker 1: of its own, right, I mean, And it worked almost
Speaker 1: I can tell any record. I can't tell any record,
Speaker 1: but I can pretty much get when somebody was recorded
Speaker 1: at this studio. I just know that vibe, you know,
Speaker 1: the ambience, and you could be like this record that
Speaker 1: record plan. Yeah. I used to be able to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: record plant was easy. Yeah yeah, yeah I lost that ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think everything is digital. Yeah, that's the digital Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I used to be like, this is hit Factory, this
Speaker 1: is Criteria. We mixed Stomic Dog and Criteria Criteria here
Speaker 1: in Miami. I say, you know that's how you know
Speaker 1: you're legend that before factory. Yeah yeah, it was Criteria that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we recorded when you it was Criterias. Let thank you
Speaker 1: for making me feel old. I respect you were the
Speaker 1: same name. Two wow, a little Nantes bgs that during
Speaker 1: that time. So the bjs were recording there, yeahs just
Speaker 1: living there. I mean they live out here, were living
Speaker 1: in that studio at the time. They didn't have their
Speaker 1: own place then Betty Right, Oh, they were literally living there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Betty Right was right. Yeah, husband, wow, Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: Criteria is like it's in It's it's not like in
Speaker 1: the hood street. Oh no, no, it's it's never been
Speaker 1: I don't think that's ever been a nice area. It's
Speaker 1: been an industrial area. It was. Yeah, it was deep
Speaker 1: back there. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, back then I could
Speaker 1: imagine it's a little class here. Yeah. That was. That's
Speaker 1: when Miami vice was out, yea cocaine everything that was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was That was that time. The eighties
Speaker 1: was crazy and that like that time. I said, you
Speaker 1: still have the little necklace. No, your necklace got bigger
Speaker 1: than I used to live into Sheridan Poy Ambassador. I
Speaker 1: think it might call it in a commonial now pull
Speaker 1: you bake downtown. Yeah, yeah, it's still that. I used
Speaker 1: to live there. Uh huh. George Bush Senior used to live.
Speaker 1: He was a CIA director and even CIA. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: he used to living in Now he was living with
Speaker 1: the I forget what I'm talking to y'all. We don't live.
Speaker 1: Yeah know we never had to, Joge, we seen your story, Jesus. No, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: we used to live. I used to live there and
Speaker 1: go fishing from there. All of them. I didn't even know. George,
Speaker 1: You're listmust have been seven and eight. I bought a
Speaker 1: seventy seven just so you know. So I was there
Speaker 1: with y'all. My mind. Hold. Yeah, that's when the Maam
Speaker 1: and Marina was right at the park there. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you really like like fishing, like Boots and the everytime
Speaker 1: we get a hit record. We was down there and
Speaker 1: we go over to Beminy. We take the boat over
Speaker 1: to Beminy. Aliens huh and see aliens? See aliens. You
Speaker 1: heard about the Beminy. What is it the in the
Speaker 1: water they got the stones you heard about that they
Speaker 1: got these stones that they say they think it's like
Speaker 1: part of Atlantis or something. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, talk about yeah, yeah, yeah, we're talking about
Speaker 1: Matt Randall. Nah. I mean, I ain't gonnat. I want
Speaker 1: to see some aliens in bening Me. I want to
Speaker 1: go again, like I love Bahamas. Bahama is a beautiful place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful place. Y'a'll been going to the Bahamas
Speaker 1: for years. I ain't too much conk konk fritis. I'll
Speaker 1: be eating conferences of coming out of my ears. And
Speaker 1: the first day I got a chance to get some
Speaker 1: some soul food. They gave me a Bahama mama a
Speaker 1: drink and now it was hot and I thought it
Speaker 1: was you know, kool laid okay, and it's hot outside,
Speaker 1: you gonna feel that. I thought they had taken two
Speaker 1: times a yellow sunshine. That ship had your head, I
Speaker 1: mean everything, and that we was at I dinner with
Speaker 1: the president I was president of. They said we got
Speaker 1: one because I was like, take me home, y'all. Don't
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna make it. But here now loud to
Speaker 1: everybody to table, I think we got one. They had
Speaker 1: to take me home. I missed dinner with all the
Speaker 1: good president of All right, cool, and you said yellow message?
Speaker 1: Was that yellow? But no, that was LSD twenty five
Speaker 1: D twenty five. I took you know, it's real twenty
Speaker 1: five surgic death, allumie, what like sergic def thalamie. That's
Speaker 1: a hell of science. Oh, I didn't really listen, real thing.
Speaker 1: It was just a nigga named LSD. They named that
Speaker 1: doing that. And we was in Boston at the time.
Speaker 1: That did Timothy Leary Bobby Brown sampled you too, right?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did live things with them. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: they went on too with us. They first too, he
Speaker 1: knowing Bobby Brown book, he fried chicken with cocaine. I
Speaker 1: can dig it. I think I think that story was
Speaker 1: messed up. Brot said it. He admitted he changed the story. No, no,
Speaker 1: he said he didn't say purposely cooked. No, he thought
Speaker 1: it was. I never said it was on purpose, no, no,
Speaker 1: but I just said he fried cocaine. No, no, he
Speaker 1: thought it was flower though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh
Speaker 1: I never I know that. But it's the way we've
Speaker 1: always said the story. He's like, oh yeah, yeah, let's go,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. Yeah, let's let's You ain't never
Speaker 1: fried no chicken. You ain't never fried no chicken with cocaine. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: but I've seen it done. Never seen you just seen
Speaker 1: it done. I've seen. But I'm saying we would. We
Speaker 1: were at the time, like I said, we were in
Speaker 1: the Boston area when Timothy learing them discovered the LSD thing,
Speaker 1: when that that whole thing, when the FBI was searching
Speaker 1: for him doing the seventies. Yes, we were in Boston
Speaker 1: during that time because when that was in the university, right,
Speaker 1: the university. Yeah, matter of fact, that's what we got
Speaker 1: the answer from those same kids when you could actually
Speaker 1: they pay you sixty dollars to take it and watch
Speaker 1: it for four hours because they were express you've never
Speaker 1: seen a movie. It was doing that with LSD. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what that's what it was at and we was
Speaker 1: we had just gotten into Boston like that. No, that
Speaker 1: was sixty eight. That's right, sixty eight. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: and so led Zeppelin and in those groups came through
Speaker 1: the sixty eight that was the really the psychedelicy and
Speaker 1: they got put onto it here right, wow, that changed music.
Speaker 1: That was my experience with acid and that whole time
Speaker 1: LSDA asked the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah right, they
Speaker 1: and cousins. A matter of fact, the guy came to
Speaker 1: miammy what was one of the other professors, and he
Speaker 1: had to show here the Yeah, the show remember Flipper, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the dolphin. The guy that did that had that show
Speaker 1: that was that was an undercover show for the scientists. Wait,
Speaker 1: the show was undercovered? Was undercover? That show was a
Speaker 1: cover for them doing dolphin studies on with them LD No, No,
Speaker 1: the the same guy that did the LSD in New York.
Speaker 1: Guys came here and had that show Flippers, and it
Speaker 1: was covered checking on the end of that. The Flipper
Speaker 1: was a cover for them studying dolphins and using them
Speaker 1: in the until they started using them in the government
Speaker 1: during the war. Oh, because they were doing the bomb thing.
Speaker 1: That's when he quit. That's when he let them lose.
Speaker 1: Spit right down to the separate tim I mean the sequarium. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: didn't get a dolphins, Alice d huh might as well.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they did. Yeah, they probably did. The dude
Speaker 1: named John C. Lily. Check him out, John C. Lily.
Speaker 1: And that's how Flippery Flipper started talking about makes sense
Speaker 1: up Flipper came out of the water. That was just
Speaker 1: a cover that all that stuff that crazy. The real
Speaker 1: story was he was training the dolphins to put the
Speaker 1: bombs on them, right, and he let them loose. That
Speaker 1: was the big scandal. Why he found out that the
Speaker 1: government was doing that. He turned them loose. Now Atomic
Speaker 1: Atomic Dog UM took out Billy Jean number one, Michael Jackson,
Speaker 1: Billy anybody listening In case people don't know, Billy Jean
Speaker 1: is not my lover. It's not the girl says that
Speaker 1: I am the one. Yeah, but it's not my son.
Speaker 1: You took that shit out, Yeah, Tommy dog. But you
Speaker 1: know at the time that UM was that MTV. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it couldn't. They wouldn't put it on MTV. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: put yours on him, right, but they got the the
Speaker 1: gene on that that was he was pop lockers when
Speaker 1: got you know? And then Prince got on there every
Speaker 1: time after that, right, and then you you came and
Speaker 1: took it and had the number one position yet without MTV,
Speaker 1: without MTV. Wait, that's that's that's what I need. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't need MTV. Oh no, we didn't need I mean,
Speaker 1: it's still and the record company told us it's not
Speaker 1: going pop. Did Michael coolly and be like, it's beef nigga? No? Mean, yes,
Speaker 1: the toy. I was doing the radio show with the toy.
Speaker 1: He called up and say, what is this hair doing?
Speaker 1: What is this hair doing? You know? Because that's what
Speaker 1: I just got, the colored braids? And right he had
Speaker 1: heard about it, he said, I mean with George Clinton,
Speaker 1: you know black, what is his hair doing? I heard
Speaker 1: about it? Right? Oh my god? And what made you
Speaker 1: say I'm taking the hair off? I'm eighty years old, goddamn,
Speaker 1: ain't no matter that Just start phone out by itself.
Speaker 1: Do you see yourself as a rock star that you are?
Speaker 1: I know, you know I know that I am, But
Speaker 1: I don't like to like I said, look at it
Speaker 1: like that. I got plenty of times to do that later.
Speaker 1: You know, when you started looking at it, you can
Speaker 1: get satisfied. I mean, not the egotistical. I mean just
Speaker 1: actually paying attention to I know. I mean I can't
Speaker 1: know what I've done. I know all of the history,
Speaker 1: but you know, you know you started dwelling that seasons
Speaker 1: to get lazy right now. I mean, I don't like
Speaker 1: to get like I ain't done eighty years old. I
Speaker 1: need an excuse to stay down. And if I start
Speaker 1: doing that, you know, I mean, everyone's want bench on
Speaker 1: YouTube and look at some of these shows. My wife
Speaker 1: doing a lot of the filming and stuff. So I
Speaker 1: actually have to look at them a lot lately. But
Speaker 1: you can get off into that and shit, I ain't
Speaker 1: moving another job, but I don't want to. I want
Speaker 1: to something to provoke me and let me TRYA has
Speaker 1: to do it again, you know, And that's what we're doing.
Speaker 1: We actually having fun doing tours now with the especially
Speaker 1: with the new the younger band. Have to keep ship's family.
Speaker 1: That's what's family amazing. That's the other thing you get
Speaker 1: to transferred to ship to them for them to keep
Speaker 1: doing it. That is generational wealth. What you're doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to make sure it is recognized.
Speaker 1: Like I said with Ben Crump, Ben ahead of our
Speaker 1: foundation of protect your legacy. That's what we're doing for
Speaker 1: all other artists, showing how to protect their legacy. And
Speaker 1: there is a thing called family, you know wealth. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you do it from that point, they can't use
Speaker 1: that legal term that is past um, statue of limitation
Speaker 1: and all that legal term that you can't. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get your shit right. You can, Yeah, you can, you can,
Speaker 1: you should and you should right and so and and
Speaker 1: um and the thing is to do it, do it
Speaker 1: and you know not, ain't mad and now about it.
Speaker 1: Just do it right. And that's what's happening right now.
Speaker 1: That's an inspiration for me actually fighting and getting the
Speaker 1: copyration back. While I'm painting. I had all that, all
Speaker 1: that shit on the internet. People love that kind of
Speaker 1: content and they're seeing you on the internet. I'm in
Speaker 1: the guarden. My wives got a garden. I'm out there
Speaker 1: picking potatoes and shit. People love that kind of shit
Speaker 1: to see the old fuck out there doing. Let you know.
Speaker 1: Let so I had all that with the old songs
Speaker 1: that I got back that they never heard. I'll be
Speaker 1: playing when I came in and her jump playing that
Speaker 1: that old shit. I was like, damn, I worked the
Speaker 1: record that's be put year, just gonna do. People don't
Speaker 1: even know about when they hear him now, like when
Speaker 1: did that come out? It came out, you just missed it.
Speaker 1: But they're still here. So I like participating in the
Speaker 1: all the social media shit. You know, that's just like
Speaker 1: going to the radio station. So you fuck with TikTok
Speaker 1: im fuck with all of them. I'm fok with TikTok
Speaker 1: I fuck with all of them there. I can't see
Speaker 1: you know what I'm sucking the ain't trying to get
Speaker 1: commercial with him. I like to play with him because
Speaker 1: it's just the kitty shit. The old motherfucker's getting there
Speaker 1: trying to make money. Yeah, no, you gotta um you
Speaker 1: fu with Twitter? Yeah right, Twitter the most it's negative
Speaker 1: best place in them. I don't I don't actually get
Speaker 1: on I don't get on Twitter, and Facebook is when
Speaker 1: I don't get No, No, don't get on that fund
Speaker 1: See Instagram, you gotta show you a picture. I don't
Speaker 1: really like it. Yeah, Facebook, you gotta show you a picture.
Speaker 1: I don't really like yeah, Instagram much just going there
Speaker 1: and talk shit. I got no haircut. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: I'm just on the bathroom. I'm like, what's up on
Speaker 1: the fucking no no no on Twitter? Twitter? And then
Speaker 1: someone be on here like you, Kamala, ain't brush your
Speaker 1: hair and he's like, what a minute you just told
Speaker 1: about the vice president? Like how are you talking about
Speaker 1: the vice president? God damn it? And then you just
Speaker 1: get in. I don't have no conversation, no politics, no
Speaker 1: politics for you. I watch them all deep, but I
Speaker 1: don't I don't get out here and talk about him. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's that's another kind of thing right now,
Speaker 1: because Joe I watched the hell of him. Because Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he here all there, he's my boy,
Speaker 1: he your boy eman. Camel ain't nothing, ain't I'm gonna
Speaker 1: great choice, you know, I don't even like you're like
Speaker 1: no other there's no other choices now, that's right, right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just say one thing. The other day, they
Speaker 1: walked Joe Biden out and he just can't walk against you.
Speaker 1: He see, No, you gotta gott another you know it now,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things like you saw Joe Joe
Speaker 1: Biden's wife kiss coming out. I don't know that. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's favor real. That ship was weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of partners to happen about. I'm used to. I'm
Speaker 1: used to French Italian They're gonna help me kill you.
Speaker 1: But they're neither French nor Italian. They're not French. People
Speaker 1: do that. They ain't no, bis no, I ain't gonna.
Speaker 1: I did, I'll kill you not. I've been places where
Speaker 1: I've seen two men kiss and then and then they're
Speaker 1: like like the Italians, will will do wherever you go.
Speaker 1: There's things that people do that's so different getting lost.
Speaker 1: I mean, did you try to eat some beef in India? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's as bad as you dog here. You know, so
Speaker 1: just depending on where you at, you know, and after
Speaker 1: world it's like, damn, I guess they eat everything. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess the Washington DC this because everybody's talking actually
Speaker 1: to you know, get over that at certain things because
Speaker 1: we've been so programmed. But I realized, if you starting
Speaker 1: and hungly, you do all that. You absolutely you know,
Speaker 1: some people think they're starving before they starving right, Oh
Speaker 1: enough yet ship, We're not done yet. Hold all right,
Speaker 1: jus my wife calling me right now. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: this is this is something to be touched on earlier.
Speaker 1: But I got this in my notes. When you did
Speaker 1: flash lights, they actually be performed with flashing lights, and
Speaker 1: the concerts, the people, yeah, the people, Oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: because this is this looks like thousand lightning because because
Speaker 1: now when hip hop say, put up a light up,
Speaker 1: they put up a light up. So you're telling me
Speaker 1: you would be this flashlights. Let me get your props.
Speaker 1: Let me just get your guys. You know how when
Speaker 1: you say put your phones upright, put your lighters upright.
Speaker 1: Put so you're a record people. They gotta remember flash
Speaker 1: legs like eighteen pounds back then, and they had D
Speaker 1: batteries and kill a nigga a couple of D batteries,
Speaker 1: so literally, you hit a nigga with bio the savers
Speaker 1: to that, I mean, and they had the springs. That
Speaker 1: was eighteen It was a lightsabers, lifesavers that Star Wars
Speaker 1: came out right when we put Mothership out. Star Wars
Speaker 1: came out the same year, a couple of months later,
Speaker 1: and you start performing this. These motherfuckers out there with flashlights,
Speaker 1: flashlight coliseums and the stadiums. Ninety thousand people and ship. Wow,
Speaker 1: ninety thousand people. You said you saw ninety thousand Afric
Speaker 1: Chicago Soldiers Field, there was seventy five thousand half frus.
Speaker 1: Come on, we got humble artists and humble artists three,
Speaker 1: let's all make but no, we got a humble artist today.
Speaker 1: We have to humble. Think that twenty thousand. Oh you
Speaker 1: got ten thousands doing ninety thousands. Yeah, you got ninety
Speaker 1: thousand people in aut with flashlights with killed me. They
Speaker 1: brought a flashlight. It's basically like holding the dof We
Speaker 1: sold him to eighteen pounds. We sold him we had,
Speaker 1: I mean wed. That was merch. That was very holy
Speaker 1: shit merch. Oh my god. Oh matter of fact, the
Speaker 1: merchant you know Prince movie. Um, I would have got
Speaker 1: on the club Billy Billy Sparks things. So that was
Speaker 1: the guy that sold the space, sold the flash like
Speaker 1: Billy Sparks flashlights that it was following a flashlights. He
Speaker 1: was the one that was doing the merch that time
Speaker 1: before he got with Prince. We have a Prince band
Speaker 1: was with us on. You know, merch people went to
Speaker 1: work for him. This is so crazy. Did you speak
Speaker 1: the day I sold? You know? Did I sold? Just
Speaker 1: recently got back the hold. Yeah, we're working at it. Okay,
Speaker 1: are you spoke to the god? They a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: they were one of the first ones. That's that when
Speaker 1: they sampled, that was the beginning. They say that, right,
Speaker 1: Tommy Boy paid us them, Digital Man them in digit
Speaker 1: on the ground because because digital only was on Tommy,
Speaker 1: then tom Me too. Those are the two that paid
Speaker 1: us the first time that they were sampled. We didn't
Speaker 1: know what people were doing using rec We know how
Speaker 1: you supposed to get paid and what the label paid you.
Speaker 1: But then Daylight got screwed on their royal. They got
Speaker 1: screwed later on. It was a good thing we both
Speaker 1: got and the dot paid us the first time. But
Speaker 1: by the time they got screwed, we both got screwed together.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it was due for everybody, So yeah, they
Speaker 1: knew it was able to pay you. The hip hop artists.
Speaker 1: It was all new in that situation. Nobody knew how
Speaker 1: to pay. But and then they actually but they charged
Speaker 1: the artists. They told him they was paying us. They
Speaker 1: were taking out of their royalties. Told them that they
Speaker 1: gave it to us. That's why I told Snoop, that's
Speaker 1: why they didn't get student the royalty statement party. If
Speaker 1: they took it out of the royalty, they didn't give
Speaker 1: it to me. It should be on my royalty. So
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. Yeah, no, she shouldn't be
Speaker 1: taken out of the artist's royalty. They did well. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's all the publish not just the publishing. The fact
Speaker 1: that you sampled the record, right, that's another thing. Now
Speaker 1: your master have another master in it. It's not the publishing,
Speaker 1: but it's the publishing. It's part of the writing credit
Speaker 1: and the ownership of the master the record itself. The
Speaker 1: writers get their part of them, but the person that
Speaker 1: sang the song or played. But you see, this is
Speaker 1: why people like you and a lot of people need
Speaker 1: to learn more about this because it's so complicated. I
Speaker 1: had a lawyer one time that he told me that
Speaker 1: the people that created the mathematical equation for publishing were
Speaker 1: rocket scientists, And I don't know if he was joking.
Speaker 1: They're the same one that did the same one that
Speaker 1: did um share cropping. You know what the farm Land. Right,
Speaker 1: it's the same theory as that ship, which is all
Speaker 1: they loan you some money and you never pay them back.
Speaker 1: Everything that you give them is against some advanced shit
Speaker 1: you know, which you'll never see back. And you and
Speaker 1: of course you're a fortune to get lawyers to play
Speaker 1: with him on that. You will always be Now you
Speaker 1: can get it back because of the thirty five years,
Speaker 1: and they'll still beat you. If you don't know what
Speaker 1: you do, go ahead and do it. But you can
Speaker 1: get on YouTube now and if all that shit, all
Speaker 1: that information is there. But like I said, we're doing
Speaker 1: a thing called protect our Legacy, and we're gonna have
Speaker 1: announced every year. We're gonna announce it. We're gonna announce
Speaker 1: every year whose song is due back to him? Because
Speaker 1: every year fire, somebody's song is due back to them
Speaker 1: or album. We're gonna find out fire. What about the
Speaker 1: pieces of the songs, like you're saying, the right samples
Speaker 1: up the song? Yeah, all of that, all of that
Speaker 1: come back. Like I think that needs to be simplified
Speaker 1: for people. Oh yeah, dude, because they need to tell you.
Speaker 1: They need to tell you when it's done, you know,
Speaker 1: like the copyright place to tell you somebody just use
Speaker 1: your song, they just sound they stick can do that,
Speaker 1: but they don't want to do that. They're gonna do
Speaker 1: it once he make it a um um rights thing,
Speaker 1: which is what's gonna be. You know that's gonna happen
Speaker 1: and everybody because there's a lot of hip hop money
Speaker 1: out there that I think we need more sampling and
Speaker 1: hip hop because I think that was they scared to
Speaker 1: do it because they got suits. I made hip hop
Speaker 1: that gave the soul to hip hop. Yeah it was,
Speaker 1: and when you took it out, it changed hip hop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's scared. When they got scared to sample stuff that
Speaker 1: changed everything. And in fact, that's scared effect that many
Speaker 1: people make vinyl records too, as I'm doing. Ain't many
Speaker 1: records or scratch. We got to start making records just
Speaker 1: so you can scratch them. I'm gonna tell you the
Speaker 1: first time I actually besides me, you know um question
Speaker 1: in my contract, The first time I ever and it
Speaker 1: was what wasn't called the order. It's first time I
Speaker 1: ever see my record label. It was something going on
Speaker 1: that was wasn't right was. I looked at it and
Speaker 1: they spent eight hundred thousand overseas budget. Back then, we
Speaker 1: didn't have an Instagram, we didn't have a Twitter. Eight
Speaker 1: hundred thousand, that's what they told me. They told me
Speaker 1: they spent eight hundred thousand because they made my record
Speaker 1: go number one in Europe and everywhere else. So they
Speaker 1: said that they spent this the marketing budget, the marketing budget,
Speaker 1: that that's where they always So back then I knew
Speaker 1: this something was wrong about this. I was like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, his death jam, this is timmy Boy, this
Speaker 1: is timming Boy. Yeah, yeah, so um well, it wasn't him,
Speaker 1: it was the Penalty At the time, let's just say
Speaker 1: it was. It was one of them. It was doomed
Speaker 1: together when they was together, Penalty and Time Boy. And
Speaker 1: I was asking them. I was like, can you show
Speaker 1: me proof that you spent this money in Amsterdam? He
Speaker 1: showed me this money, he spent this money in Japan
Speaker 1: and such such. Back then we didn't have an Instagram,
Speaker 1: so whenever they showed me it was sufficient proof. Today yeah,
Speaker 1: and you couldn't. It's no, couldn't argue the proof. It's
Speaker 1: the only way they could have been spending that money there,
Speaker 1: but we couldn't. So that's the one thing I will
Speaker 1: give to social media Instagram, TikTok is. They can't do
Speaker 1: that no more. They can't say to me, Yo, I
Speaker 1: just spent one hundred and fifty thousand in Japan and Tokyo,
Speaker 1: and I got somebody in Tokyo that I could hit
Speaker 1: on Instagram or Twitter and say, did you see that poster?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And that's the one that's
Speaker 1: the one thing. So um. That was the one time
Speaker 1: that I actually started to see like, holy shit, these
Speaker 1: people are I don't want to say lying, but let
Speaker 1: me just be honest. They were lying. They were lying.
Speaker 1: There was not no other way to say it. And
Speaker 1: I'll never recoup that album. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard
Speaker 1: to recoup. Let mean, you can't even recoup. You can
Speaker 1: go bankrupt and they still tell you you're unstill, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: bankrupt supposed to wipe that shit out right, yes, right,
Speaker 1: But if you paying attention, they still charge you ten
Speaker 1: years later you're unrecoup I mean, is it far fet
Speaker 1: to say if you look at the history of record
Speaker 1: labels in the music industry, it's a racket. It was
Speaker 1: always a racket. It was always a racket. It's actually
Speaker 1: better now, I mean, it's actually because corporate America got involved.
Speaker 1: In the beginning, it was cracket. It was underworld ship, right,
Speaker 1: And using the word master was even fun up to
Speaker 1: using the word master master the master record. No, no,
Speaker 1: using the word master for the for the master that
Speaker 1: was even like a master record, that the first the original,
Speaker 1: the original record. No, no, no, you're taking that somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's master master. You're right, you're right, you're right, my fault, right,
Speaker 1: you're right, it's going too far, my bad movies, my
Speaker 1: bass alcohol. But I think we're reaping. The industry is
Speaker 1: reaping the I don't want to see the benefit. It's
Speaker 1: reaping the history of what it was. It was always
Speaker 1: a racket, it was. It was the world racket. They
Speaker 1: called a cash cow. It was so you know street
Speaker 1: you know, you made the records on the street, you
Speaker 1: and they sold them. You got some of you so
Speaker 1: them to the stores. It was a hustle, you know.
Speaker 1: And they just made it, learn to make it civilized
Speaker 1: and a business. And it's getting to be that, believe me,
Speaker 1: because you look around and see yall they talk about
Speaker 1: billionaires were you weren't even a thousand there my day
Speaker 1: a millionaire was out of the reach. But now you're
Speaker 1: talking about billionaires, So it's going somewhere. The artists aren't
Speaker 1: becoming billionaires, are not in the music side of it,
Speaker 1: whether they're doing. They becoming billionaires not necessarily just off
Speaker 1: the music, off of the entire thing around them. They
Speaker 1: whole brand, like Marianna Beyonce Jay, they had to branch out.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, no, you have to branch out. They
Speaker 1: get it, but it gives you the opportunity to brand,
Speaker 1: you know, the opportunity is that. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: that infrastructure that started the music industry still comes from
Speaker 1: that shady place and it's still shaking it off today. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But like I said that thirty five years of getting
Speaker 1: your master's back or getting your copyrights back, that's a
Speaker 1: Johnny step. That mean that means you can actually go
Speaker 1: in there and get your thing and you can get
Speaker 1: paid for the licensing of that from now on. They
Speaker 1: didn't have that before. You didn't get it back, you
Speaker 1: said forever into perpetuity and all that kind of shit.
Speaker 1: Now you can actually get it back, but you got
Speaker 1: to know how to work it. What was publishing when
Speaker 1: you first started, like it was publishing already established. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Joe Bett was the best, biggest publishing in
Speaker 1: the world. That Motown. All those songs that came through Motown,
Speaker 1: they were like the biggest. Columbia was the second, you know,
Speaker 1: screen Gym the second biggest worldwide published. They didn't movies
Speaker 1: and soundtracks, so there was always a structure there for
Speaker 1: pop music, classical music and stuff us that rock and
Speaker 1: roll was like hip hop. It was a street thing.
Speaker 1: For people that don't understand. Rock and roll wasn't a
Speaker 1: white genre originally, not at first, not at first, but
Speaker 1: Richie invented that ship right because people know, people think
Speaker 1: of rock and roll. I think of these like heavy
Speaker 1: metal bands or something. No, no, no, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: that's rock. The rock and roll now, I mean, Jered
Speaker 1: y Lewis was my favorite when it comes to rock
Speaker 1: and roll version of that white version of that. Elvis
Speaker 1: was cool because he made it, and you gotta get
Speaker 1: people prop that made it worked for him. But jeredy Lewis,
Speaker 1: he came to the pollo. Thie didn't turn it out.
Speaker 1: You know, he focused like damn this mom. You know
Speaker 1: he was he was that he had a real vibe
Speaker 1: in this that he was a crazy motherfucking called himself
Speaker 1: with the killer. I mean, he's he had a hell
Speaker 1: of a story, you know. But he was all of
Speaker 1: that rock and roll thing for me from the fifties,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you got a lot of went
Speaker 1: after that, the pop side of it. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the Beatles once they got Really that's
Speaker 1: how people get asking me a Beatles story for you, huh,
Speaker 1: A Beatles story from you? All the Beatles, like I said,
Speaker 1: that was just just like John Lennon Paul No, No,
Speaker 1: I've never met him, because I said, I mean I
Speaker 1: met George Harrison. I met him. You know. They all
Speaker 1: were their own entity and whatever that was that took
Speaker 1: rock and roll to another. But they weren't even rock
Speaker 1: and roll originally, but they were basically they weren't until
Speaker 1: the George Martin started producing them and putting all those
Speaker 1: classical strings and things behind them. Then they became something
Speaker 1: other than a rock and roll. Their first records, they
Speaker 1: records without all the strings and things. It's basically rock
Speaker 1: and roll, simple rock and roll at that when they
Speaker 1: were suited up there, they were rock and roll though
Speaker 1: they was there. But but then George Jorge Martin actually
Speaker 1: performed put simping stuff there. Over their music, they became
Speaker 1: more eclectic, very e classic, I mean to the point
Speaker 1: of almost jazz, because the classic it was symphony, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But it was still rock and roll,
Speaker 1: and they had all the elements of what rock starring
Speaker 1: was and they had different styles of real good music.
Speaker 1: Whenever somebody else did their songs, it really when Aretha
Speaker 1: would do Yesterday, Ray Charles would do Yesterday, their song
Speaker 1: was conducive to serious R and B singers, right and
Speaker 1: you can their song worked very well. But they were
Speaker 1: the ones that just gave it all that class and
Speaker 1: it was something to shoot for. And that's what we did.
Speaker 1: We did not want to be a regular band. We
Speaker 1: wanted to be a thing, an extraordinary band. We call
Speaker 1: it polo Funkadelic, mint thing. We could be anything we
Speaker 1: wanted to. We have to get morph into whatever you want.
Speaker 1: Nobody wouldn't say that, ain't your bad. You were on genre.
Speaker 1: We didn't want to be in a bad You wanted
Speaker 1: to be like Sunrin just do music and people say
Speaker 1: that that's weird. But when you do get one, let's
Speaker 1: be like, oh, it stands by itself like a Tommy dog.
Speaker 1: There's nothing. We couldn't even do another Tommy doll. Nobody
Speaker 1: can't you know, that's that's never gonna happen. I was
Speaker 1: just one of those stories, you know, where I walked in.
Speaker 1: I thought that, you know, highs hell. I thought they
Speaker 1: were recording without me, and ran into the studio, told
Speaker 1: everybody let me sing, and they had to tape on backwards.
Speaker 1: So I sang to the tape this backwards. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: and once I did it, it was too late. They
Speaker 1: had to finish it that way. They had to put
Speaker 1: the rest of the instruments on. So no, that was
Speaker 1: in Detroit. So when you heard it that way, would
Speaker 1: you say, yeah, this is gat That's why I'm talking
Speaker 1: so long. This is a story on famous dogs. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what kids. Then I'm trying and
Speaker 1: I don't force my way in the studio, so everybody's
Speaker 1: like like they're looking right there. I'm looking right through
Speaker 1: the glass. They all looking at me, and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what fucking kids and ain't got no key,
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to kill time. This is the story
Speaker 1: of famous dogs. I'm sure you're trying to sort the
Speaker 1: from sorry, but this is the main my head with
Speaker 1: the clap, I mean, all of that was just ad
Speaker 1: lived into what wasn't gonna gonna Well, I must I
Speaker 1: feel like that, moll must I chase the cat nothing
Speaker 1: mother dog and me ain't told as fuck that's not
Speaker 1: committing to a key. And then do the dog kids?
Speaker 1: Did I realize, damn this making sense to the dog catcher?
Speaker 1: And I saw everybody start laughing. And once you know
Speaker 1: I drove you, you're seeing people laughing your ego arow,
Speaker 1: you didn't drove you. I got this mother hippi yo yippy.
Speaker 1: Why that's an incredible that is the real. Because everybody's
Speaker 1: looking at it. They told me we're waiting on you
Speaker 1: because we we we know we got to wreck it
Speaker 1: on backwards. But now they have to go back in
Speaker 1: and put the drums on it. Gall invented something brand new,
Speaker 1: brand new, brand new. Wow do you I know we
Speaker 1: spoke about this earlier and I think he he uh.
Speaker 1: I asked you and I'm gonna just reiterate it in
Speaker 1: a different way. But didn't know how much important you
Speaker 1: are to this culture. I don't know that I taking away. No, No,
Speaker 1: but I believe me. I do know. That's why I was, like,
Speaker 1: we've been I can say that kind of stuff. You
Speaker 1: need somebody like that to say that culturally, U civil
Speaker 1: rights in that. Otherwise we're just talking shit. You know,
Speaker 1: we're just kicking it and talking shit. But to say
Speaker 1: it like that, you need somebody to put it on
Speaker 1: that kind of light that. I mean. I was at
Speaker 1: the college today, I was, what is the coach? They
Speaker 1: just being Crump college. They just changed the name of
Speaker 1: quot Ben Crumb. We're out here, yeah, and it's and Nehew, right,
Speaker 1: his nephew is a nephew is here. His nephew is here. Oh,
Speaker 1: where's it that? Whe's the college that Saint Thomas? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Saint Thomas. Okay, so that's what That's what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: not to to that's fine, to live up to that
Speaker 1: kind of shit. That's them. You know, I'm too lazy
Speaker 1: to do. I don't know. Don't try to preach. I
Speaker 1: can talk shit all day. No, but you know what,
Speaker 1: but you know what, um our culture um part of
Speaker 1: the reason. And I'm sorry to get so deep right
Speaker 1: part of shit? How about another one? I thought I
Speaker 1: just drink one shit together, buddy. So but part of
Speaker 1: that reason, Um, I watched recently, I think Dave Chappelle
Speaker 1: and these people go back to Ghana, right, and they went,
Speaker 1: you want to use the bathroom? Okay? Oh but um
Speaker 1: they went back to Ghana and then they start saying
Speaker 1: all this, these things, and what you don't realize is
Speaker 1: that a lot of us they started to think that
Speaker 1: we started in this country as slaves. They didn't realize
Speaker 1: that we were kings and queens. And this is this
Speaker 1: place in Ghana is teaching right. So I saw this
Speaker 1: say that, and I say, damn, you know what if
Speaker 1: we don't notice, if we don't know that we didn't
Speaker 1: started as slaves, we started as kings and queens. If
Speaker 1: we don't know this, um, others won't know that neither.
Speaker 1: So I say that to say this, I just want
Speaker 1: you to know, like as a hip hopper, I've made
Speaker 1: my career through hip hop. Um, I've made my life.
Speaker 1: I was able to save people through it, Pop. But
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for you, and it wasn't for people
Speaker 1: prior to me recognizing who you are, then I don't
Speaker 1: think a lot of us will be here today. Wow.
Speaker 1: And that's it's girl shit like I knew. I knew exactly,
Speaker 1: but you know, I was studying you for months because
Speaker 1: it's once once we started and I was like damn,
Speaker 1: damn and damn. I never stopped saying damn. Every time
Speaker 1: I'll discovered something, something new, and I was just like wow.
Speaker 1: And it's like the thing about it is, we want
Speaker 1: to give you your flowers. We want to continue to
Speaker 1: salute you and to tell you you know you're doing great,
Speaker 1: and to tell you that you're fighting a great fight
Speaker 1: because we're not worried about it. If anybody else does
Speaker 1: or don't be worried about it if we do it
Speaker 1: due and this is the reason why we have to
Speaker 1: do this, and we have to look at you face
Speaker 1: to face, man and man out of eye, and look
Speaker 1: at your beautiful family and say, we appreciate you. You
Speaker 1: appreciate what you do. We appreciate you continue to do it.
Speaker 1: You appreciate your smile getting brighter. You're a smile getting
Speaker 1: brighter because because so many I've been through what you
Speaker 1: you've been through, so and so many people have been
Speaker 1: through what you you've been through, and you know what
Speaker 1: they become. They become bitter people, and you ain't better.
Speaker 1: You're sitting here with a smile this whole time, and
Speaker 1: this whole that I when I say this whole time,
Speaker 1: I don't mean this whole time here. I mean this
Speaker 1: whole time in life. And I watched you with your
Speaker 1: recent performance. I don't know. I think it was in
Speaker 1: New Orleans, I'm not I'm not sure. And you had
Speaker 1: on a red shirt and I'm just in a red
Speaker 1: suit and you sitting there and I'm just looking. I'm
Speaker 1: like that man, smile got brighter, it got better, and
Speaker 1: my weapon I learned that ship worked a long time ago.
Speaker 1: I got a permanent crease. No but to me, let me,
Speaker 1: let me just say, it's an outside of that's looking in.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, that's what I strive to be.
Speaker 1: You know, like as as at a time, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest with you. You know, I've been doing rap
Speaker 1: for twenty five years, but it's been time where I
Speaker 1: got on stage and I just did not want to
Speaker 1: be there. Like I gave a horrible show. I did
Speaker 1: not participate with the people. The people start putting out
Speaker 1: their phones and I was just like I just did
Speaker 1: not want to be there because I didn't have the
Speaker 1: same amount of love that I had when I first
Speaker 1: started get jaded. Of course, of the transition, the transition
Speaker 1: that went from YO, look at me, motherfucker, to now
Speaker 1: it's like I just feeling you because I want to
Speaker 1: show my girlfriend, or I'm just feeling you because I
Speaker 1: want to show my homeboy. Yeah, you started analyzing it
Speaker 1: and figuring out what people do. Ye always danger, I
Speaker 1: used to tell people in the audience, They've been looking
Speaker 1: at us trying to analyze what all these niggas doing
Speaker 1: up here. You can't even count us. You can't analyst
Speaker 1: because we're doing everything to be unanalyzed. Were doing this
Speaker 1: on purpose. You can't even count us. So you pay
Speaker 1: money to come to see the show. Y'all enjoy this show,
Speaker 1: and you know, and because the people leaving up there,
Speaker 1: they'll come to the show coming in. Man, this ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be shit. I mean there's certain attitude, certain people
Speaker 1: normal not even thinking about it. This I'm going you know,
Speaker 1: but this ain't gonna But if you call them out
Speaker 1: on it, hey, you can analyze. You wanted you're gonna
Speaker 1: miss the show. Once they realize that, then they lay oh,
Speaker 1: try to pay attention to this motherfucker, and then they
Speaker 1: end up Damn, they here with us. When we get
Speaker 1: ready to leave, they're in the parking lot because most
Speaker 1: people thinking about let me get to the parking lot
Speaker 1: before the other people get there so I can get
Speaker 1: out there, don't get stuck in the traffic. We make
Speaker 1: them stay till the last minute trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what the book else they gonna do. God, I call
Speaker 1: them out on it. That way you can actually be
Speaker 1: loosening up to have fun as opposed to trying to
Speaker 1: analyze what the days about to that? Did you pay
Speaker 1: money to see this show? Getting baid s like that?
Speaker 1: Then the good time a good time. In that way,
Speaker 1: we all end up having to be even at the
Speaker 1: same time and to talk a lot. Damn. You know
Speaker 1: you ever heard of versus versus versus versus? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know who to do it with. He wou want smoke.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you want smoke. You're like, who who
Speaker 1: want it? That's what I interpreted it. He can do it,
Speaker 1: he can do it against himself. He looked at me,
Speaker 1: like what against We started to do that? We started
Speaker 1: to do that? Well, who swiss beast? Called. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked. We talked with them. We wanted to dude
Speaker 1: people Parliament funka deli and versus George Clinton and the
Speaker 1: people that sampled us, the people me and the people
Speaker 1: that sampled us against Parliament funk and everything would be wow.
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready anybody I could, I could do that
Speaker 1: with and get them in it. So that way to be.
Speaker 1: But we guys, playing list set up? Can we get
Speaker 1: his playing playlist? That's want to do five seconds of
Speaker 1: his first fifteen records of his playlist police. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to let you know you're smoking. Everybody money's on you,
Speaker 1: just in case anybody wanted to versus, Well, my money's listen.
Speaker 1: While we set that up, I'll be revistive. I didn't
Speaker 1: ask you this, so I'm que and American. I want
Speaker 1: to know any Latin Cuban scoan. So there was influences.
Speaker 1: That was the number one R and B song in
Speaker 1: New York, New Jersey in eighteen fifty six, Take You
Speaker 1: Gotta Set Up and in the B side of it
Speaker 1: with your Come You that was the B side of it.
Speaker 1: That was the B side of B side of the
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty six Wow our cast right outcast sample this,
Speaker 1: our cast, sample this, A lot of people sample this
Speaker 1: wasn't just outcast her that. I'm just no no okay,
Speaker 1: don qute dog. You got the snoop dog record right there.
Speaker 1: I'll take a shout. You want a shot, He'll take
Speaker 1: a shot. Qute dog. Shot that you get the stupe.
Speaker 1: Let me get you a shot. Turn up, turned up
Speaker 1: and be getting my shot. Get it down, turn it up.
Speaker 1: You gotta get my shot. Shot too, yo yo, cleared up.
Speaker 1: We gotta get him my shot real quick. He got
Speaker 1: you deserved this one, and give me your shot. I
Speaker 1: got I didn't shot on all right, let's go king
Speaker 1: all right, father, let me get a shot. We finished
Speaker 1: the Mama water Baby, take them on. We finished it.
Speaker 1: The Corona Corona virmus. This is this. Don't look chilled
Speaker 1: at all? Ready? You ready to excellent? Who that was? Terry? Look?
Speaker 1: I knew? Yeah? Bragle love Yeah, next work, gonna'll be
Speaker 1: wilding out in this movie. Can we have a little fun?
Speaker 1: We have a little fun. Oh remember the celebration, George,
Speaker 1: celebrate you and he gonna sooke India, y'all versus I
Speaker 1: got my money on George, what's your In my mind,
Speaker 1: the reason why y'all kind of funck is y'all got
Speaker 1: an ugly funk face shot. We didn't want one shot.
Speaker 1: Let's go. I was like, I was, you want my majuana, bro,
Speaker 1: you want some majuana, bro, I'm seen in your faced. Dude, dude,
Speaker 1: come oh, come on man, God damn ya. I didn't
Speaker 1: think he was gonna do that. Look, she got you too.
Speaker 1: You got too. You know you gotta do too. You
Speaker 1: gotta do black and white. It don't matter if you
Speaker 1: black solo at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cheers, cheers, cheers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you do that with him first. I'm white, I'm white,
Speaker 1: I'm white. What's that? Mama wanna from the Midican Republic?
Speaker 1: They make that in the kitchen and kids do No, No,
Speaker 1: that's nothing. You got nothing over there? What damn what
Speaker 1: do Yeah? Yeah? Mh damn god, damn it. Oh shit, No,
Speaker 1: he got no no yeah hers who who he can't follow?
Speaker 1: It's a little follow my drink. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You
Speaker 1: know we got to do version of Tommy Dog coming
Speaker 1: out right, Yes, dog, we already know we established staff.
Speaker 1: Real video is done. Oh my god, oh god, oh
Speaker 1: here we go. Oh that everybody that's that day I
Speaker 1: saw right there. No, that's underground version and did you
Speaker 1: under us? Oh there's a remake. It's a rebig thing. No,
Speaker 1: I'm cool happening. I'm just hearing DAYL I saw my yo.
Speaker 1: But when did you don't came out to Sam on
Speaker 1: this too, to box Sam with the did you goes? Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's do what you like? Calls assens, I realize do
Speaker 1: what you like? Yeah. That was one of the longest
Speaker 1: hip hop records ever. It was so dope, need deep clean,
Speaker 1: long man. One more to do, one more and this
Speaker 1: one more shot, one more shots. It's direction. Hey, you
Speaker 1: ain't been saying don't do that? Just lives you shot
Speaker 1: at the man? There he goes, I'm doing sad. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: look cheers, not cheerous, serious, appreciate you and keeping so much. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: thank you citizens of the universe. Recording. Ain't experien to
Speaker 1: clean to hearing me, hadn't on the mother I am
Speaker 1: the Mothership connected getting down and three D and you're
Speaker 1: like bang your boys and so like contic you need nobody.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody who needing the boy down? You have shot act.
Speaker 1: I'm ready hold on it. Listen, I'm gonna take this
Speaker 1: shot with you and not you gonna ask you two
Speaker 1: more questions to be gonna wrap it up. But hold on, hold,
Speaker 1: let's do it together. Look, I always asked peas raising up,
Speaker 1: raising up with Joan, Okay, I always gets that makes
Speaker 1: me know. I always ask people it's beautiful, damn our bully,
Speaker 1: our bully. So mister George, right, mister George Clint and
Speaker 1: so my grandkids. Grand mister, I ain't gone. I look
Speaker 1: up to you, so I gotta I gotta address you
Speaker 1: as such. But I always ask people in the midst
Speaker 1: of making history, do you know you making history? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you knew? Oh yeah, I'm not hearing that. I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of shit just because I can, I do it,
Speaker 1: and then knowing that sooner or later somebody's gonna peep it.
Speaker 1: So a lot of stuff it's playing in there now.
Speaker 1: I got the platform and I know that. But you're saying,
Speaker 1: when you did we did this crazy music, you knew
Speaker 1: I just gonna lie. I knew that. Yeah, if the
Speaker 1: Motown and what they've done in music and Beatles and
Speaker 1: what they've done, I knew that. Getting me a spaceship,
Speaker 1: get me up and that I was gonna make a
Speaker 1: serious imprint. I knew that, you know, it just couldn't
Speaker 1: be commercial straight commerce had to do it the way
Speaker 1: I do it, and and it was. We were able
Speaker 1: to do it that way and actually have a reason
Speaker 1: for doing it, being able to explain our point of view.
Speaker 1: We had to do our own pr so we can
Speaker 1: put our interpretation on what we were doing. We couldn't
Speaker 1: leave it up to the radio station on the media
Speaker 1: to do it. We would do it and set it ourselves.
Speaker 1: On the album covers, we talked about the people on fans,
Speaker 1: so we pretty much colored and directed what people thought
Speaker 1: about us. You know, over the years we know that
Speaker 1: that's important. That's why I say TikTok, and I know
Speaker 1: how to get on there and get in with who's
Speaker 1: ever run and ship and be down with them and
Speaker 1: you be accepted as that. So basically you say you
Speaker 1: knew your legacy. Yeah, I was planning now, but you
Speaker 1: couldn't understand where it was gonna No, I didn't know
Speaker 1: where when you was gonna fall? Will I be here?
Speaker 1: Not right? I knew that I set up plans. I
Speaker 1: mean the copyright, the paperwork for the lawsuits. I left
Speaker 1: them all over this country with different people. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be able to bring them out influentially, influentially like the style, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, nature. He's so outside of the box, like
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know. Don't quote me on this,
Speaker 1: but I feel like going back from Africa Bombada and
Speaker 1: moving on Andre three thousand. When he started dressing the
Speaker 1: way he was dressing, it was all linked balls. Whenever
Speaker 1: I find somebody that's actually you free people people in
Speaker 1: us and do it, I'm gonna get with them so
Speaker 1: they get They get it by being hanging with me.
Speaker 1: I get if I've been hanging with them, right, you
Speaker 1: know pretty they all tell the same story. It's cool, dude,
Speaker 1: he's right when they when Kendrick believe me, I knew
Speaker 1: my grandkids told me and like this show. When they
Speaker 1: told me we would love granddad, granddad. Do this show
Speaker 1: that you you like doing this show? Granddaughter? They keep
Speaker 1: me up. It makes she's going there with Kendrick. She said,
Speaker 1: oh you like him, you like him? He talked like
Speaker 1: and when he came it was I always got some
Speaker 1: one that got a little smaller. Grandkids they got me
Speaker 1: up on all of the hip Hop, the Trap, the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Cruise, all the new people, the Megoes and everybody,
Speaker 1: all of them. I stay up on it coast. They
Speaker 1: let them influence me and tell me who's doing what.
Speaker 1: And they had me on TikTok doing you know, oh
Speaker 1: I know it did this is hey. I knew just
Speaker 1: the kid. I knew the kids doing that. And you
Speaker 1: can see the old folks getting in there now trying
Speaker 1: to you know that that's the new place to hang out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and so yeah, I get with whoever's happening.
Speaker 1: That works for me, just like it works for them.
Speaker 1: They called me to be on that record, I called
Speaker 1: them back. That's my only thing by doing one with you?
Speaker 1: You doing with me? Right? Kenrid did the record with
Speaker 1: me and you know, and he didn't realize that I
Speaker 1: could put that to use like he could. I got
Speaker 1: him doing videos with me, getting all the way down
Speaker 1: when when I did it when him was you know,
Speaker 1: I was a feature. I was in there with him,
Speaker 1: but I got more out of it than he did.
Speaker 1: Is it fair to call that equity and legacy? Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: equity and legacy. I mean there is equity and legacy.
Speaker 1: You keep that legacy going and the family together so
Speaker 1: they be able to I didn't be friends with each other.
Speaker 1: All of that. You's got to be managed before it happened,
Speaker 1: because if you don't do it before it happened, if
Speaker 1: you ain't got a wheel and all that shit together,
Speaker 1: you can leave everybody but the instincts of trying to
Speaker 1: get over. But I'm not even talking about financially or
Speaker 1: even like like you know, like in the way you're talking.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about in the way that the artists are
Speaker 1: working with you. Oh yeah, it's equity and legacy like
Speaker 1: these artists. Nah, they love you. You're acting who you are.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, it's why they are. I mean, there nothing
Speaker 1: they can't ask me. They can call me and say
Speaker 1: you do this, and I'm down for doing it. I
Speaker 1: can see you a positive reason for me doing it
Speaker 1: even if we ain't got talking about money, because first thing,
Speaker 1: most people, how much you wanta get, we can figure
Speaker 1: out somebody you got a shot. I'm gonna be on
Speaker 1: all that all I got to if I'll be seeing
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get mine. You just let me just reiterate
Speaker 1: what you mean to us, like there is no matter,
Speaker 1: there's no The thing is when artists from our generation
Speaker 1: or generation prior to us or after us. It's an honor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an honor. No, No, it's really is I No, No,
Speaker 1: it's really is an honor. It's not someone someone you know.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you know I cloud around.
Speaker 1: I play around just the only time it was one
Speaker 1: of them. I'm not playing around? Is it's an honor
Speaker 1: to be in your presence for um our generation to
Speaker 1: sit back and say, because you know, just just me
Speaker 1: playing the records and just sitting around and me looking
Speaker 1: at certain people who's younger than thirty reaction and saying,
Speaker 1: that's Snoop Doggs record, Like, no, it's not, it's a
Speaker 1: that's dr J record. No funny when you're when you're
Speaker 1: like your great grandkids and say, oh you're playing snod
Speaker 1: how you playing? You know it's money. You don't even
Speaker 1: have to defend. You like learned that learning. Why do
Speaker 1: you let me keep thinking? Why you let me keep
Speaker 1: thinking of beautiful people? No? Because you know, hey not
Speaker 1: and you snow how you sitting back and most people,
Speaker 1: you know, they think that record again with him when
Speaker 1: he took over death death okay, And you don't have
Speaker 1: to read. They have to read the spam. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that whole thing. I went back and redid it. But
Speaker 1: you know, for him and hey, when you ready for
Speaker 1: me to come in, you know, call me him most
Speaker 1: cube Qube did the last album with me, him and
Speaker 1: Kim ricks on the same song. Wow. Well you know
Speaker 1: we want you to know why because your legends, legend,
Speaker 1: your icons, icon, you're tycoon's tycoon. You're a person that
Speaker 1: has to be you know, saluted every single which way
Speaker 1: of it. So excited man, um, I couldn't believe you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like when I get people like
Speaker 1: you and Paddy LaBelle like like it's it's like it's
Speaker 1: it's chills in my body because everybody else too, I
Speaker 1: kind of get flowers to at some point I compete
Speaker 1: it with them in music. So it's like, ah, but
Speaker 1: I ain't compete with you. I ain't compete with you.
Speaker 1: Cannot compete and I cannot compete dispect you. No, I
Speaker 1: cannot compete with him. I cannot compete. And what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is everybody you know, uh deserves day flowers. And
Speaker 1: I'm telling you you deserve a garden man. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? You deserve a garden I loved. Give
Speaker 1: me some more of that greene. You got some hold
Speaker 1: on you talking like keep on man, drink okay, but
Speaker 1: na for real? Um. You know when me and if
Speaker 1: Um we got together and we was like, man, we
Speaker 1: really want to make sure our legends is appreciated. Our
Speaker 1: legends are I don't know what. We just wanted to
Speaker 1: celebrate the cool. We want to celebrate it. Oh, Man
Speaker 1: to call me, No, Man, definitely, We're gonna call you again,
Speaker 1: call me again because we want you. We want you
Speaker 1: to do your own podcast. Goddamn y yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: we want you to know you are a beacon. I
Speaker 1: want you to know we got your back. You know,
Speaker 1: me just digging into your story and me knowing your story,
Speaker 1: but me thinking I knew your story, and then me
Speaker 1: you know when we when we booked you, just just
Speaker 1: digging in. It's just like wow, It's kind of crazy
Speaker 1: because your story is my story. It's just thirty years later.
Speaker 1: For how the fuck do we and you have the
Speaker 1: same story thirty years later? That means the same system
Speaker 1: was in effect from then. The record hasn't changed, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So when I'm sitting there because
Speaker 1: because to be honest with you, I'm not supposed to
Speaker 1: identify with your story your your story. My story is
Speaker 1: supposed to be better than yours because and then when
Speaker 1: we have the same exact story, it's just like fuck,
Speaker 1: this system might not change unless we say it. You
Speaker 1: have to say it you get into existence. Yes, so
Speaker 1: I want to say to you, you know, face to face,
Speaker 1: man and man, we appreciate you. We got your back.
Speaker 1: Whenever you want to come and talk some shit. This
Speaker 1: ain't no other podcast on all the platform in the world.
Speaker 1: You can smoke some weed, you bring your grandchildren, you
Speaker 1: bring the whole band. Welcome. We're gonnacome because you're gonna
Speaker 1: get that new copy of Atomic that absolutely, but truly
Speaker 1: and honestly, truly and honestly we want you to understand
Speaker 1: those flowers and the green flowers as well. But we
Speaker 1: want you to understand that you are beacon in our community.
Speaker 1: And in case we don't, we talk about you so
Speaker 1: gracefully when you're not around. Let's talk about you so
Speaker 1: gracefully when you are around. Appreciate you, appreciate slut And
Speaker 1: if you're ever having a bad day or if you're
Speaker 1: ever having an awkward day, or if you're having an
Speaker 1: off day, just look at yourself in the mirror and say,
Speaker 1: hip hop wouldn't be hip hop without me. Absolutely, remember
Speaker 1: remember that that was hard? Did I kill that? Yeah? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. But by the way, because I'm in
Speaker 1: it with a joke, but I'm not joking. Honestly, that
Speaker 1: was not a joke at all. When I really listened
Speaker 1: to your catalogue and its entirety. And I don't use
Speaker 1: big words, but just bear with me. Entirety is a
Speaker 1: big word for me. I'm listening to your catalogue, entire team,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh shit, this motherfucker gave birth to the
Speaker 1: West Coast. And then quickly reminded me there's no all
Speaker 1: of hip hop, not just the West Coast mother Flipper.
Speaker 1: We were talking about Flipper earlier, right, So it actually
Speaker 1: started on the East Coast. Yeah, it really did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean were there with it. Like I said, Sam,
Speaker 1: start bothering them. It was real early, early, early, early
Speaker 1: early hip hop at seventy eight, when we could see
Speaker 1: the influence from their dress. Cold. But I just want
Speaker 1: you to know how much you appreciate it. We want
Speaker 1: you to know that's what we do over here and
Speaker 1: every day of your life. Just in case you ever
Speaker 1: like I said it again, but I'm gonna say it
Speaker 1: just to reiterate what I said. If you ever having
Speaker 1: a bad day, you just look at yourself in the
Speaker 1: mirror and say, a hot nigga right now sampled me.
Speaker 1: They needed me to move forward. Yeah, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: As long as I'm in the bathroom. We're gonna take
Speaker 1: a bit. It's only two times I had goosebumps. It's
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