1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison Company from the home office in Austin, Texas. 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Really excited about my guest today because I am a 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: huge music fan. I love all kinds of music, and 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: I am talking today to Carne Wilson. Of course very famous, well, 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: the daughter of Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys, has 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: been famous her whole life, but then really knocked it 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: out of the park with her band, Wilson Phillips. And 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: I mean just an iconic band that you can sing 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: along to anytime you hear them, whether it's on the radio, 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: at an elevator, at the supermarket, there's Wilson Phillips, You're like, 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: oh my god, I miss them. I have never met Karney. 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. I have so many questions 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: to ask her about her upbringing with the Beach Boys, 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: growing up with such a famous father and one of 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: the most famous bands of all time, who she was 17 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: influenced by, who she's met along the way, and now 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: she's into the world of cooking. What is that? What 19 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: does it mean so much to talk about with Carnie Wilson. Hello, 20 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: Hello Carney, Chris Harrison here, Why how are you doing? 21 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: I'm good. I was just making lunch. 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: Carnie Wilson. What's for lunch. 23 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: Today is a tuna salad with herbs and halapinos and 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: cilantro and dill and just good ship and gluten free 25 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: bagel with melted cheese everywhere. 26 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: Nice. Wait, what's the cheese of choice I'm doing? 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,279 Speaker 2: Make sure of proloan and then like cheddar or jack. 28 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: Now do you find because obviously you have your cooking show. 29 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: We'll get into Wilson Phillips and all the music and 30 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: all that good stuff, but you have your cooking show 31 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: now like that that can kind of define you. So 32 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: do you feel like, even when nobody's watching, you got 33 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: to up your game and you can't like make a 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: baloney sandwich for lunch anymore. 35 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: It's funny you say that, Chris, because like, sometimes when 36 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 2: I'm cooking, I feel like, am I trying to impress myself? 37 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: What am I doing? You know? 38 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: But wait? I do that. I do the same thing 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: because I love to cook. I'm not on a cooking show, 40 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: but I love them and I'm obsessed with cooking, So 41 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 1: sometimes I do just for my own I don't even know, 42 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: I'm not putting it on social media. There's nothing. 43 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: It's like, we try to up our own game and 44 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: get to the next level. 45 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what would a therapist say, that is, 46 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: how do we get to the bottom of. 47 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 2: That perfectionist validation? 48 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: You know, he go seeking our own approval. We've gone 49 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: past our moms and dads. We're seeking our own approval. 50 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: That's really sad what we've become. 51 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: Oh well, you know, as long as it's about food, 52 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: I'm happy, you know what I mean. 53 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: Which is really interesting because you know, for so much 54 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: of your career you caught so much flak for body 55 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: image stuff. Now you, by the way, you look great. 56 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: Thank you a bad ass. But the funny thing is, 57 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if the if there's irony to it 58 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: or whatever, but it's like the irony is you look great, 59 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: you've lost weight, but now you're doing cooking shows and 60 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: making cookies and all these things. So yes, where where 61 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: do we have weigh that? What do we do with 62 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: all that? 63 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: I don't care if I'm three hundred pounds, two hundred pounds, 64 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty pounds. I will always love food, 65 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: I will always celebrate food and there's no like, there's 66 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: no limit, there's no there's no there's nothing restrictive about anything. 67 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: No one can tell me when I should be making 68 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: or eating something. It's a personal choice and it's always 69 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: been that way, and you know, body image will always 70 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: be an issue with me. I'll always probably like secretly 71 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: wish I had this, wish I had that. 72 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: We all do, we all do. 73 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: But it's so like it can be so obsessive for 74 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: me about that. I've learned because I have two girls, 75 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: like fourteen in eighteen or nineteen now, and it's when 76 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: I talk bad about my own body, they see it 77 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 2: and then they do it, and it h it's like 78 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: a punch in my heart and my gut. When my 79 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: older daughter goes, I hate my thighs. I don't like 80 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: my thighs, mom, there, you know, and it makes me 81 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: feel sad. And I realized I can't talk that way 82 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: about myself around them. Yeah, And I'm not really answering 83 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: the question. 84 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: Now, now you are because you know I'm a girl. 85 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: I'm a girl dad, so I get this, although it's 86 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: a little different because I do think when it comes 87 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: to having daughters, the female perspective is so important of 88 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: how you speak about your body. And what I was 89 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: going to follow up with was do you think it 90 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: was your daughters that made you change? And think I 91 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: can't say that out loud anymore. I'm making a difference 92 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: in their lives. 93 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I think you're right. I you know, 94 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: I've always tried to be humble and have humility in 95 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 2: my life in general, because my mom taught me that 96 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: when you come from a famous family, the eyes are 97 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 2: watching you. They're judging you, They're judging how you look, act, react, 98 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 2: And I've always just thought I have to be myself, 99 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 2: you know, and be real and be kind. So I 100 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: don't know, I just fame is a weird thing. I 101 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 2: don't really understand that. But it's kind of like I 102 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: love to sing now and I've always loved to cook. 103 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 2: But it's a weird thing, the how people have perceive you. 104 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: But really what's so important is how you perceive yourself. 105 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: And it's like, I'm fifty six. I just turned fifty six. 106 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: I'm always going to be five foot three. Maybe I'll shrink, 107 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: that'll be great. 108 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you and I doesn't matter how many Flintstone vitamins 109 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: we're taking now, we're done. We're done, peep. We're on 110 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: the other side right, never gonna. 111 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: Be tall and we're gonna get shorter. But yeah, you know, 112 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: I just think like, you got to make the most 113 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: of every day. And so if I sit here and 114 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 2: think about what I don't have, then it's just to 115 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: be miserable. I don't want that. 116 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a weird side of fame. That is 117 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: hard to explain because immediately if you say these words 118 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: out loud, it's oh, woe is me. I would love 119 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: to have your problems, and both of us would agree 120 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: these are good problems to have. But at the same time, 121 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: your life is your life, and you know what you know, 122 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: and you've got to deal with these issues. And one 123 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: of those things with fame, and you have had it 124 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: since you were a child, because of your dad and 125 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: the Beach Boys and then obviously Wilson Phillips, et cetera. 126 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: You've had to deal with the expectations, always being looked at, 127 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: always being judged. And I don't care if you say 128 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: it's you know, high class problems, it's still something that 129 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: you have to deal with. And as a woman, those 130 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: are serious issues. 131 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: Well, everybody's got an opinion. You know, everybody has the 132 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: opinion of what you should do, be look like. And 133 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: I just keep thinking to myself, who are these people 134 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: that I'm worried about that they're judging like they probably 135 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: judge themselves the hardest, and I would think that they're 136 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: the most unhappy. 137 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: That's usually where it comes from, Usually where it. 138 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: Comes from, right, you know, you look at the kids 139 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: at school, the bully, and I would love to be 140 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: a I mean, I don't know if I'd love to 141 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: be a flat on the wall because I think I 142 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: find something sad in their household. Yeah, you know, typically yeah, typically, 143 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: you know. So I just have learned to like not 144 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: give a what anybody else thinks, and really just you know, 145 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: try to be kind and compassionate to people and show 146 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: compassion and lift people live their spirits and their hearts 147 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: up rather than pointing out the negative. Yeah, And that's 148 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: really what it is. 149 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: And you're right. I mean, I always thought and I 150 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: found it interesting because when I was hosting the Bacheler 151 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: for you know, two decades, it was a great study 152 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: in human behavior and often there was a you know, 153 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: quote unquote villain on the show. And I would always 154 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: do interviews and they'd say, well, tell me about the 155 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: villain and this person's a jerk or whatever, and I'm like, 156 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's never that simple. I always found it 157 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: fascinating to ask the why and wonder why what makes 158 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: them tick? And often it's you know, mommy issues, daddy issues, 159 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: something in their life that was that was you know, 160 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: transformative or traumatic that changed them. That they're protecting themselves, 161 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: so they're projecting. And like you said, you can go 162 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: to the most basic bully in middle school and that's 163 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: where it comes from. And you know, to feed into that, well, 164 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't do you any good. 165 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: I know. I just think we're as we get older, 166 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: we realize that we've always been searching for something since 167 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: we were young, but we just didn't realize it back then. 168 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: And you know, it's twists and turns and it's peaks 169 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: and valleys and it's and that's good. Yeah. No. 170 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: I always say, don't get too high with the highs, 171 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: and you know, don't get too low with the lows. 172 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: And going through what I went through, uh at the 173 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: end of my rain on the backs or it's like 174 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: it taught me a lot of the perspective and and 175 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: what's really important it really does. 176 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: God. Well, that's hard, you know when you have like 177 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: different personalities and you know, people that have addictive tendencies 178 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: like myself, you know, being addicted to absolutely anything and 179 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: everything that looks or tastes or smells good. You know. 180 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: Oh really, so you do you have that addictive. 181 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, yeah, yeah. I mean it comes from both 182 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 2: sides of my family, drugs and alcohol on my dad's side, 183 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: of my mom's food. Really but yeah, I mean I've 184 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 2: been twenty years clean and sober, and it's uh, it's hard, 185 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: you know. I I think about drinking and stuff all 186 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: the time. I think about rolling joints and just like 187 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: going on a beach. I mean, we're going to Mexico 188 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: the week after next and my first thought was, ooh, 189 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: I would love to take a smoke a joint on 190 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: the beach. Why do I still think that way? I 191 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 2: don't know, maybe I always will. 192 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: Well, I have addiction in my family. That gene is 193 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: not in me, and it was really hard for me 194 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: to understand because it's not in me, and I'm like, 195 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: why can't you just not you know it just like 196 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: a you know what when I would quote unquote say 197 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: a normal person that doesn't have that gene. And luckily, 198 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: a good friend of mine who was battling with addiction, said, 199 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: here's what you don't understand. I can't go and you know, 200 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: just have one potato chip or one beer. I'm like, oh, 201 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: I see, it's there is no off switch. 202 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: Yes, it's really it's my life. I mean, it's how 203 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: I have to. I go to twelve step meetings and 204 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: that's what's kept me sober. 205 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: But good for you, by the way, congratulations. 206 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah. I mean it's complicated, and you know, 207 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: in the sobriety world, I had taken some ambient and 208 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: I had changed my sobriety date because it was mind 209 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: altering for me. So but I haven't had a drink 210 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 2: in twenty years. So I just keep telling myself, yeah, 211 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 2: you know, you're doing great, and if you could just 212 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: take it one day at a time. And that's what 213 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: I'm doing with my food these days, just not eating 214 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: any sugar or gluten and it's just kind of working 215 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: that way. One I wake up in the morning, Thank 216 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: you God, I'm sober. I'm alive. I'm sober another day. 217 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: And you know, direct my thinking because my best thinking 218 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 2: is I want to go to Vegas and like play 219 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: stop machines all day and eat Entemens and Twinkies and 220 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: drink Martini's. I mean that's what I want to do. Yeah, 221 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: but it's clearly not healthy. 222 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: Socarney, This cooking show means a lot more than just 223 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: a cooking show, Like this really is more meaningful to 224 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: you than that. I don't know if everybody knows that 225 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: this is huge. 226 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 2: This is so I've waited so long to do this, 227 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: and I've put on Food Network, competing with different shows, 228 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: and you know, I during covid I did. It was 229 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: three years of like these Instagram lives that I would 230 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: just do, yeah and a little voice going, they kind 231 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: of like watching you be crazy in the kitchen. And 232 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: then like I thought, somebody's gonna see it, and I'm 233 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: gonna it's gonna get it's gonna someone's gonna ask me 234 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 2: to do a cood show, and they did. So it 235 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: was just the right what was supposed to happen. And 236 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: it's my love and my and I love all my 237 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: friends on the show. I've got great guests. It's so 238 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: much fun. 239 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: I want to come on and cook with you. 240 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: I'd love to have you. Chris now do you sing 241 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 2: it all? 242 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I did some choir 243 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: back in the day. I was a pretty solid tinor. 244 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: I think my tener days are gone. Things dropped a 245 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: little bit so baritone. 246 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: But fine, you could be baritone. I'll be the alto. 247 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: We can harmonize my theory on singing Carney. It's like art. 248 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: If you can't do it, well, go big, just go loud. 249 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: That's good. Yet you've got intent, And yet no. 250 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: I do love I do love music. And I have 251 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: been a fan of your family my entire life. I'm 252 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: about your age. I'm a little young. I'm fifty two. 253 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: But you know again, old enough to know the Beach Boys, 254 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: old enough to very much know the sweet spot of 255 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: Wilson Phillips. And honestly more Wilson Phillips than even the 256 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: Beach Boys, because that was more my dad and my parents' generation. 257 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: It was, you know, Chicago and the Beach Boys. And 258 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: and but I love music. I truly love music. And 259 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: I know you still do too, and so does your daughter. 260 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: Oh god, it's great. It's always been a part of 261 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 2: my life. And it's the kids love love music. 262 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: You've never you've never had a toxic relationship with music. 263 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: It's all like you clearly could have because of your 264 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: childhood and everything, but you've that's always remained positive. 265 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if I can find 266 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: toxicity in music. I think it's healing. And I mean 267 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 2: unless you're like listening to fucking punk rock and then 268 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: you start feeling angry and you hurt someone. 269 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: Well, I just meant like, for you, you could easily 270 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: be resentful of it. You know. It's it's like say 271 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: Wayne Gretzky is your dad or Tiger Woods is your dad, 272 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: and it's like I hate golf or I hate hockey. 273 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: I see, you know, like you grew up under the 274 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: Beach Boys banner and it's like every it was, it 275 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: consumed your family. So yeah, I could see you having 276 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: a little resentment. 277 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: Well I didn't. I didn't have resentment. I had inspiration. Really, 278 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: it was more inspiration because it was like I love harmony, 279 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: and I don't know if I would have loved harmony 280 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: that much if I hadn't come from the beach Boy 281 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: world or the Fleetwood Mac or that era. You know 282 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: what I mean, A Carpenter's It's like I Begie's abba 283 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: all these Vans bands really inspired me. The Eagles, you know, 284 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: to love harmony, and that's what started Wilson Phille just 285 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: singing on our floor. 286 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: Who were you rubbing elbows with? And I don't mean 287 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: to be a named. What I mean is musically like 288 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: who did you run into? U? And it could have 289 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: been your dad and the Beach Boys? But who did 290 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: you watching? 291 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: You? 292 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: Go? Holy? That's that's different. They're they're transcendent. I want 293 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: to watch them. I want to be around them musically. 294 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: Well, I grew up with a lot of artists around me. 295 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: I don't even know where to begin. I mean, I 296 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: mean Elton John would come over and like I would 297 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: sneak out of my room at night because he'd come 298 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: over and I'd want to go, you know, be in 299 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: the room with them, and he would put me back 300 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: in my crib and go to sleep. I mean it 301 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: was like that was I was really young. Yeah, and 302 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: I remember seeing at the piano with Paul McCartney. It's 303 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: just like I had these people come over. I mean, 304 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: my my teen crush and i'd a was Sean Cassidy 305 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: and he just knocked on the door one day because 306 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 2: they decided he's decided to record a song. 307 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: My dad wrote, Oh my god, that had to be 308 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: a nightmare. 309 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: Well I was. I was a mess. I mean they 310 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: took a picture of us and my cheeks were like 311 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: two apples were on my cheeks. It was so we 312 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: were That's like having Harry Styles or Justin Bieber or 313 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: whatever knock on your door. 314 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: It's like, actually Harry Styles, Justin Bieber, and Ryan Gosling 315 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: all in one. Kids, if you're under fifty and you're 316 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: listening to this and you need to google Google Sean Cassie. 317 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: I mean really that was my key. 318 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: He was on everybody's wall. 319 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: Of course, he was so yeah. I mean just like 320 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: there were all these people that would come over, but 321 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: I mean there was a difference between like the people 322 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: that would come over for parties or that a Hollywood 323 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: rocket or whatever, versus the people that I that I 324 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: grew up listening to and admiring and loving. Because there's 325 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: a whole batch of, you know, artists from the seventies 326 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: and eighties that I loved. 327 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: So did you ever meet any of the other Beatles 328 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: or was it just McCartney. 329 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: Uh, just Paul Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never met John. 330 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: I never met Ringo or George. But I love George. 331 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: I love his music. 332 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: Right Here Comes the Sun just one of the greatest 333 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: songs ever, so beautiful. They will stop me in my 334 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: tracks every time I hear it. But McCartney and then 335 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: McCartney and Wings. Oh I love Wings right that voice 336 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: is oh. 337 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 2: Oh, I just I actually, oh my god, I might 338 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: get in trouble for saying this, but no, I think 339 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 2: I like Wings better than the Beatles. 340 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: Sorry, that's not the craziest thing, you know what, that's 341 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: a hot take. I'm going to say it's a hot take, 342 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: but not the craziest take I've ever heard. I don't disagree, 343 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: because because it was McCartney's voice, and his voice was 344 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: so powerful. 345 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: So great, and just like the sound like Wings, I 346 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: love Let him In, I love Bad on the Run. 347 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: And you could even say, I mean, honestly, if you 348 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: want to make the argument, George Harrison was better on 349 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: his own than when he was with the Beatles. 350 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 2: I mean, All Things Must Pass is one of my 351 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: favorite albums ever, and I just I think he's he 352 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: was an incredibly spiritual and beautiful man. 353 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 1: And I mean because he got to finally write the 354 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: music that you know John and Paul wouldn't let him 355 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: write Yeah, I'm the geek. Though when that Apple, you know, 356 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: Docuseriies came out and it was pretty bloody boring, to 357 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: be honest, but I listened and watched every moment of 358 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: them in studio and to watch those guys just coming 359 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: up with these songs that changed music and changed our 360 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: lives and they were just kind of humming the melodies 361 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: and getting I'm like, this is wild to watch. 362 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: I know. I was at the Grammy Museum recently and 363 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: I my husband does this. He once a year, this 364 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 2: really really good Beatles cover band. They go to the 365 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 2: Grammy Museum and they always sell it right out because 366 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: it's a small venue. But it's like this celebrating the Beatles. 367 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: And I got to sing help and what else we 368 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: can work it out and a few different songs, and 369 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 2: it was really it was my first time I were 370 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 2: singing Beatles songs, but it was really cool. 371 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: What do you listen to? Like you're just you're chilling out? Yeah, 372 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: Like you're chilling out And I'm sure you turn on 373 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: a little music when you're cooking and you're making it 374 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: tuna fish and like, what do you what do you 375 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: like to jam to? 376 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna laugh. I mean, honestly, I love disco 377 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: and I love like seventies, so I'll play like I'll 378 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: just like, say, you know, Alexa play the top seventies 379 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 2: disco songs, and then of course Beejesu is coming on 380 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 2: an Abba. Sometimes I'll be really corny and listen to 381 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 2: like Captain Taneil or I'll do the Carpenter is my 382 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: favorite female singer. 383 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: Karen Carpenter was your favorite female singer? 384 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: It was my My favorite voice was Karen's. Yeah. But 385 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: then sometimes I'll be like I want be fifty two 386 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: s and Fire or a CDC, you know, or Boston 387 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 2: or Doobies. You know. I just I love rock. 388 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: Also, and like hard rock, like rock, and like what's your. 389 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: Hard rock, like just like rock and roll like led. 390 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: Zeppelin or classic like yeah Van Old van Halen, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, 391 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: got it. 392 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: Now I'm with you classic rock. And then I go 393 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: into soul land and I'll just like I'll be like 394 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: slide the Family Stone or you know, I mean, I 395 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: love Luther Vandros. He's my favorite male singer. 396 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: A voice. 397 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: Oh God. 398 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: So let me ask you this though, because you have 399 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: your girls, and my daughter is a little older than yours. 400 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: My daughter's twenty, and so when she and her little 401 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: sority sisters are listening to music, it's often music of 402 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: our era. They are listening to the biggest hits of 403 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: our day. Not as much now. Yes, Taylor Swift is huge, 404 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: as you said, Harry Styles is huge, but those are 405 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: more one offs as opposed to what they really get into. 406 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: And you know, if I'm at a tailgate or whatever, 407 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: I know every song and it's pretty amazing. Are your 408 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: girls the same. 409 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: Yes they are. And I remember when we were in 410 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 2: the car one day they were really like four and 411 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: eight years old, and I said, I want to play 412 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: you guys something, and I know you might be a 413 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: little bored, but we'll see. Just listen to this woman sing. 414 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: So I played Barber Streisen singing People from Madison Square Garden, 415 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: like nineteen sixty performance, and I was like, just listen, 416 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 2: just listen. 417 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: To the voice, listen to Babs. 418 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: They listen to Babs and then like they listened to it. 419 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: They didn't say the word. They were totally focused, and 420 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 2: at the end of the song they were like, wow, Mom, Wow, 421 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: she's really she has a really good voice. I wanted 422 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 2: them to hear that kind of vibrato and that control 423 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: and that special voice of hers. I wanted to show 424 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: them early. 425 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: I took one of my kids one of those iHeart. 426 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: God knows what it was, you know, where they have 427 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: maybe his awards or something. And so a lot of 428 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: people played throughout the day and this award ceremony and 429 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: it was a lot of whoever was famous at the moment, 430 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: and they were fine. No one really got out of 431 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: the we were at these tables, no one really stood up. 432 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: And then there was the Legacy Award or whatever, and 433 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: it was bon Jovi, and bon Jovi came out and played, 434 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: and they played a lot of their hits. They ripped 435 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: the roof off the place. Everybody was standing up and 436 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: we were leaving, and my daughter is very musically inclined, 437 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: and we were talking about it. I said, did you 438 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: notice a difference when so and so was there and 439 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: we were all just kind of sitting there and it 440 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: was fine, But when bon Jovi, like rock stars, huge 441 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: rock stars, that just ripped the place apart, and you 442 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: couldn't help but be enveloped by that. And that, in 443 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: my opinion, and I'd love your opinion. Is that missing? 444 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: Who is that these days? I know Taylor Swift has 445 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: that it factor, but who else rock band wise that 446 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: just makes you want to stand up and dance and 447 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: sing rock band wise? 448 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I can't even name anyone. 449 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 2: This is really like random. But there's a band called 450 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 2: Greta Van Fleet, and Greta Van Fleet, like the lead 451 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: singer of people say like, oh, they sound so much 452 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: like led Zeppelin. He's incredible. And these guys they're like 453 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 2: brothers and they're really popular. They will bring down the 454 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: house and I think they're amazing. But I don't know, 455 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 2: I'm really I can. 456 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: Keep waiting for like Black Keys to really explode, you know, 457 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: imagine dragons will give them their due. Anthem h I 458 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,239 Speaker 1: love the anthem rock and they really crush it and 459 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: you can't help but sing along. 460 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're great. I can't think of anyone now. 461 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: Isn't that wild? Country? Country? 462 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 2: I can Country's great. 463 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you got Morgan Walling blowing up, you got 464 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: Luke Colms, you got Parker McCollum. There's so many country 465 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: stars that are really tearing it up right now. Not 466 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: as much on the other side of the genres, which 467 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: is really interesting. Music's in a weird, very interesting place right. 468 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 2: Now, it really is. It's kind of odd. I don't know. 469 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 2: I don't think music ever dies. I just think it's 470 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 2: just you just got to keep repeating and playing the stuff. 471 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: And when I'm in my car, I put on this 472 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: is really weird, but I put on the forties channel. 473 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I can't. I can't go that far back 474 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: with you. 475 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 2: Oh I love it with the horns, yeah, oh, I 476 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: love it. I don't know if it's like past life 477 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: or what. Yeah, something. And then my younger daughter likes 478 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: it too. 479 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: So interesting. 480 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: We love Frank sinatrazerd. 481 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty amazing. My my wife her claim 482 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: to fame because I always ask everybody what your first 483 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: concert was, and I'm about to ask you, so get 484 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: it in your head. Her first concert was Frank Sinatra 485 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: in Chicago with her dad. I'm like, you can't beat that. 486 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: Mine was in excess. How about that? That was a 487 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: weird one in Dallas, Texas. 488 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 2: That's cool. 489 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: Pil warred up for him. I was so young and 490 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: so naive. I didn't understand that pil was a warm 491 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: up band, and I thought, is this an excess? Because 492 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: I thought I knew their music. I didn't, and I 493 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: was like, why is no hear yet? It was I 494 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 1: didn't understand how concerts worked. And then in Access came out. 495 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: We've been what was your first concert? This might be 496 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: an amazing weird answer. Oh, to be Beach Boys? Is 497 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: that too easy? 498 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 2: No, it's Beach Boys, of course my first Like, okay, 499 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 2: so I was probably Elton John at the Forum. 500 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god, at the Hollywood Bowl in the seventies. 501 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, early seventies. Wow, yeah, Elton John. 502 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: That must have been a time. 503 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great. 504 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: Did you ever run into David Bowie? 505 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: I did run in David Bowie when he was with 506 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: Iman his wife, his beautiful wife. We were in England. 507 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,239 Speaker 2: We were promoting the second record or the first, and 508 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: we were we went out to dinner with the big 509 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 2: promoter and sitting right next to us was was David 510 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: Bowie and his wife and we said hello. He had 511 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 2: this beautiful thick accent and I was looking at his eyes, 512 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 2: you know, in two different colors. I was like looking 513 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: at his eyes and then like his wife stood up 514 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 2: and she was like as tall as the ceiling and 515 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 2: they were so nice and beautiful and sweet, and that 516 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 2: was a trip. 517 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: I hate myself for not loving him earlier in my life. 518 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: I didn't catch on until probably junior higher high school 519 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: and the Glass Spider the Glass Spider Tour came along. 520 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: Get he was. I grew up in Texas, and so 521 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't comprehend the level of his artistic whatever he 522 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: was doing. He was too big for me. It wasn't 523 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: my mind wasn't there yet. Yes, and so I caught 524 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: up later, but I regret that I didn't love him 525 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: earlier and understand and appreciate what he was doing. 526 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: Well. I remember when Golden with Golden Years came on 527 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: the radio when I was younger, and I remember loving 528 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 2: the song, but never really knowing the artist or appreciating it. 529 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 2: Wasn't until I was in my junior high school years 530 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 2: that I would go back and listen and really get 531 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: into it. I loved Fame, you know, that was really 532 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 2: a fan of those and young Americans. 533 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: Are young American? Is that not one of the greatest 534 00:26:59,280 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: songs ever? 535 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous how it's just so innovative and. 536 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: Yeah original, so him. I never knew where this was 537 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: going to go. When was the last time you like, 538 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: turn on the radio and boom, there's a Wilson Phillips song. 539 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: Oh god, it happens all the time, a week, Yeah, 540 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: I know, it's great and walking on the stores. You know, 541 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 2: it always comes when I need it too, Like I'm 542 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 2: thinking about something, or I'm frustrated, or i'm future tripping 543 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: or whatever I'm doing, I'm already late or whatever, in 544 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: a bad mood or something, and all of a sudden, 545 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 2: I'll just hear one of our songs and it could 546 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: be at the market. I'll hear it, and I feel 547 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: like it's a sign. 548 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: You know, you do you sing along? 549 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 2: Yeah? Sometimes not very loud because that was because I 550 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: feel like, oh, you know, do. 551 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: You like what's your what's your what would be your 552 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: go to song? Like you like? Out of the catalog? 553 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: We got one Wilson Phillips song, What is it like? 554 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,719 Speaker 1: What's your face? To perform? 555 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 2: I'll say that, Uh, I don't know, probably hold on, 556 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: just because the interaction between the audience is so incredible. 557 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: But I love a song that we did called you 558 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 2: Won't See Me Cry. It's a ballad and it was 559 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: the second single off our first first single, on our 560 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: second record, and it's harmony all the way through, kind 561 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 2: of like release me. But oh the chor changes are 562 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: great and I love you, won't see me cry. That's 563 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: that's my that's my baby. 564 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: Back to food. 565 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, sex, food or music. That's all there is. 566 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: That's true. They go well together, but not in that 567 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: order anymore. Well, sex, then food is good. I mean 568 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: it should be good, right. The cookies that you make? Yeah, okay, 569 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: this is a personal thing. I'm a cookie which you want? 570 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 2: What cookies I make a lot? 571 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: Well, the chocolate chip cookies. Okay, I'm a chocolate chip 572 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: cookie connoisseur. Okay, it's not a professional title. It's a 573 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: self promoted title. But I love them and I love 574 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: to bake them. What is my What is the secret? 575 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: What is like one thing that I need to add 576 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: to my repertoire, my bag of tricks of making great cookies. 577 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: It's funny. I just made these dairy free, gluten free, 578 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: they're vegan, cherry almond cookies. They're my best cookie. 579 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: No, come on, are they good? That sounds like a 580 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: lot of freeze. 581 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 2: No, it's so good. They're so good. 582 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: So you don't cook with butter That's that's the thing. 583 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 2: No, I I cook with butter and baked with butter. 584 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 2: I just try I try to avoid butter. But but 585 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: these cookies don't have butter. But they have coconut oil, 586 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 2: a little canola oil and apple sauce and they're just incredible. 587 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm more about texture. I like chewy. I 588 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 2: like a little chrispy on the outside, chewing the. 589 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: I got you? 590 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 2: Yes, is that you like that too? Yeah? Brown butter 591 00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 2: is a is a good is a good one. 592 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: You got a brown your butter. 593 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 2: There's a great there's a there's great bread. But but 594 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 2: there are recipes where if you melt the butter because 595 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: you have to brown, you know, melt it to brown it. 596 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: But how do you work in the melted butter. Usually 597 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: you have to put the refrigerator before you you know, 598 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 2: you get the dough right. And then there's I also 599 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: been seeing all these these recipes where they have a 600 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: ball of dough, then you put one in the middle, 601 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 2: then you put another ball of dough on top, and 602 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 2: you kind of like crunch together so it spreads really 603 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 2: dome like okay, and yeah, so but there's there's a 604 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 2: lot of a lot of theories about baking, soda, baking powder, 605 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: how much it rises. But generally I think under cook 606 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 2: here cookies, under baked them. Under bake them because that's 607 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 2: how they stay chewy. 608 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: Let them finish on a little bit on the yeah. 609 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: And now so they're really really raw, you know. And 610 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 2: also just like experiment, like use all brown sugar, use 611 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 2: a combo of white and brown, do the brown butter, 612 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: do it, ll do it melted, experiment with it and 613 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 2: see what happens. 614 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: I love it. When you went through your big transformation, 615 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: you lost all your weight, you were really vocal about 616 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: it and how you did it, and you like very 617 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: positive about it. You've worked your ass off, you changed 618 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: your life. And then ozempic comes out and I read 619 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: something where you were pretty vocal about, hey, you didn't 620 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: use ozempic, you won't use ozempic, And just what is 621 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: your feeling of those drugs, all of them that everybody 622 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: is now addicted to across Hollywood and you know entertainment. 623 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, twenty five years ago, I did 624 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 2: have a gastric bypass, which is a for me, it's 625 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: a medical intervention. It was an intervention because I was 626 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 2: really on a bad path, and so I did that 627 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 2: because it was my last resort. And when I did it, 628 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: I was warned or I was encouraged really and warned 629 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 2: that I had to follow a certain lifestyle to keep 630 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 2: my health up to not become deficient in vitamins, you know, 631 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 2: and be sensitive to you know, a rush of insulin, 632 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 2: which is where someone that has a surgery like mine, 633 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,959 Speaker 2: they eat sugar or they eat fatty foods, and then 634 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 2: they have something called the dumping syndrome where for like 635 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 2: a half hour, they feel really sick and they have 636 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: to like they literally like fall asleep, and it happens 637 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 2: less and less now. But I was thinking about these things. 638 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 2: I knew that I was going to have to drink 639 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: a lot of water, take the vitamins, eat the protein first, 640 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: and exercise and not snack. And I did all those things. 641 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 2: And I got to my goal weight because I did 642 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 2: those things. But there are people that aren't serious about it. 643 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,719 Speaker 2: They have a surgery, they take advantage of it. They 644 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: don't get to their goal weight, and they gain it 645 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 2: back because calories and calories out. It's not difficult. But 646 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: o Zevic and Munjaro and all those drugs like they 647 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 2: have side effects and they don't affect everyone. But I 648 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 2: was too scared to do it, and I had what 649 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 2: I thought were gallstones and a lot of pain. With 650 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 2: all this gluten and sugar. I was eating way too much. 651 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 2: I was in a chokehold with this stuff. I could 652 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 2: not stop, and I was so scared. My blood work 653 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 2: came back pre diabetic cholesterol up, blood pressure, medication, and 654 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,239 Speaker 2: I'm going, you know what this is it And just 655 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 2: like when I years ago, when I sort of did 656 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 2: I did that surgery, I just made a decision one 657 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 2: day at a time, I'm just not going to eat 658 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 2: sugar or gluten. And I've been doing that since September 659 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 2: and I'm up three pounds and it's because I've been 660 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 2: snacking and promoting my show, so I'm traveling all over 661 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 2: the place, so my eating is irregular. But I plan, 662 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 2: you know, I plan my food. I cook in advance. 663 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 2: I try to eat all day long, really like good 664 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 2: healthy snacking, and like try to put more vegetables and 665 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 2: protein on my plate and just don'y sugar and gluten. 666 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: And that has worked. So I'm so like centered and 667 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: focused right now, and I know how to make food 668 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 2: taste good, so I add lots of lemon and lim 669 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 2: and citrus and and herbs and different salts and whatever 670 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 2: to make it taste good. And you know, different kinds 671 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 2: of fats rather than And I'm never gonna stop eating 672 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 2: cheese for a while, I only ate feta and parmesan. 673 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 2: Three months I just had feta and parmesan cheese. 674 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm Italian cheese. 675 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 2: I'm with you. I used to melt cheese in a 676 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 2: cup and eat it like soup. 677 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm in Texas. We just call that queso caeso of. 678 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 2: Course, melted dip. Whatever you want there, cheese. 679 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: I could sit here and talk music with you and 680 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: just forever, like I love, We are on the same plane. 681 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: I don't know you love music that I love music 682 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: so much. You can see, you can kind of see this, 683 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: like I have a big U two fetish. These guys 684 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: over my shoulder right now. I love because I ran 685 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: into them when I was playing soccer in Europe when 686 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: I was sixteen years old. And just I have. I 687 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 1: love music. I love all kinds of music, and growing 688 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: up in Texas it's such a musical hotbed of growing 689 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: up with Texas, you know, folk music and in the Beatles, 690 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 1: from the Beach Boys to Chicago to Willie and Whalen 691 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: George straight like all of it. Just this kind of 692 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: cool amalgamation. 693 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, great music from Texas and the whole vibe. I 694 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 2: think the Eagles, I think they they were from there too, 695 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 2: back in the day. But I have a funny, really 696 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,479 Speaker 2: quick story about my dad and Bono from YouTube. Yes, 697 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 2: when he met my dad, he came up to me 698 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 2: and said, Brian, you know, I'm from you too, and 699 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 2: it's lovely to meet you. And he said, would you 700 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 2: go get me a diet coke? That was this reaction 701 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 2: when he met him. It's so classic. I love it. 702 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: Your dad asked Bono to go get him a diet coke. 703 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 704 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: I know he's much he's eighty one now old. 705 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 2: He is, He's doing great. 706 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 1: Is he still good? 707 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 2: Everybody's asking, Yep, everybody's asking. He's great. He's well cared for. 708 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 2: He has, you know, just the very very beginning stages 709 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 2: of dementia. But it's I don't really notice that that 710 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 2: much of a difference. I think he's always sort of 711 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 2: been hidden in his Brian zone, which is a lot 712 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 2: of talking about the same stuff that he's always in 713 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 2: his mind thinking about he loves his children. He's sad 714 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 2: his wife died and that was hard, but you know, 715 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 2: it's they're trying to just keep it the same in 716 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 2: that house. They've got a couple of younger kids. We're 717 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 2: out of the house now, five adopted children. And you know, 718 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 2: I love to bring him food going over there Saturday. 719 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 2: I spent a great Easter with him, and it seems 720 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 2: like now the door is more open and we are 721 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 2: spending more time with him, and it's fabulous. He's doing good. 722 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 2: He's got lots of physical therapy. He's not really seen anymore. 723 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 2: I mean I sang a little Elton John with him 724 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 2: last time on we sang your song Yeah Theether, which 725 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 2: was really sweet. But he watches My Cookie Show every week. 726 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 2: He puts the TV on. He got a new TV, 727 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 2: a smart TV, it on and he watches it and 728 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 2: it's very cute. 729 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: That's good. Well, God bless him. That's great. That's good 730 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: to hear, and I'm glad you guys. More importantly, your 731 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: relationship towards the end of his life is strong and 732 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: open and no regrets. Right, everything can be said, everything 733 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: can be expressed, which so that's a wonderful thing. 734 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 2: It is, it is. It's all about appreciation now and love. 735 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 2: He love to he loves to say, you're my daughter, 736 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 2: and I love you, and you're beautiful. You're beautiful, he 737 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 2: says to me. He's so funny. I take his hand 738 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 2: and hold his hand. I love to make him laugh. 739 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 2: I said, I said, who's the I love to ask 740 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 2: him questions because I'm very curious, like how is mine works? 741 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 2: And then like his opinions. So I said, like, who's 742 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 2: the best female singer of dad? And like in two seconds, 743 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 2: Linda Ron's dad. 744 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: Oh wow, Linda Ronst Okay, I can't argue. I can't argue. 745 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 2: There can't argue. And I'm like, yeah, Linda Ronstad like 746 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 2: underrated and just like, don't forget about Linda. Oh my god. 747 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's odd to say a legend is underrated, 748 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: but you're right, she is very underrated. 749 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 2: She is. Yeah, we don't talk about Linda ronstaid enough. 750 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 2: I mean, who could sing like that? 751 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: Nobody? 752 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 2: I mean just just YouTube some of her early concert footage. 753 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god, what where is it? Where are all you 754 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: guys living now? Are you up in Oregon? 755 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 2: We're we're in no, No, I'm here in Laval. Yeah, 756 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 2: and uh yeah, I mean but I I've been thinking 757 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 2: a lot about moving, like to a farm, just getting 758 00:38:59,160 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 2: the hell away. 759 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:01,760 Speaker 1: We got room in Texas. 760 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:08,800 Speaker 2: Oh, just like yeah, just somewhere more remote, lots of land, 761 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 2: lots of chickens and goats and donkeys, you know. I mean, 762 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 2: I want to like have neighbors and have a community 763 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 2: store and bake for everybody. It's kind of kind of 764 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 2: what we're moving towards. I like it. 765 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: I like that girl tell us where we can see 766 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: the show. Find the show on Access. 767 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Access TV, so it's like good old fashioned cable, 768 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 2: and I think there's lots of ways to see it. 769 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 2: We're trying to do streaming stuff. 770 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: But most subscribers get access Access. Go look for it 771 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: on your program guide. 772 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 2: That's right, AXSTV. And yeah, and Carney sixty eight is 773 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 2: my Instagram. I'm always posting clips and stuff and you know, 774 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 2: shout outs and and and also the guests on the 775 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 2: show they also post on their Instagram too, So yeah, 776 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 2: I hope everybody loves it. There's a lot of really 777 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 2: fun guests. Mark McGrath was great, Sugar Ray. Sugar Ray 778 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 2: was that was a moment. 779 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: That was a moment. 780 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh they were awesome And I love Mark. 781 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: He's a nice guy. I got to know him later 782 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: when he was hosting uh. 783 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 2: Extra Extra Yeah yeah, yeah, he was great. 784 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: Yeah when he became a yeah, very smart but gracious. 785 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,919 Speaker 1: There's some other guests that you've had. We had John 786 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,760 Speaker 1: Stamos Okay, love Stamos. 787 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 2: Love staym Moos. We had Boys to Men, Sean Stockman 788 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 2: from Boys to Men, who I love so much. We 789 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 2: made Philly cheesteaks. 790 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: Of course they were on the Bachelor. We did a 791 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: concert with them in Santa Barbara and they were awesome. 792 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 2: Oh their harmony. Yes, So of course we sang. We 793 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 2: sang into the road. I was dying and Lisa Lobe 794 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,760 Speaker 2: d Snyder, David Archiletta, I know Snyder. 795 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: It was twisted sister, right, twisted sister. 796 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 2: And I did a show with him on the country 797 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 2: music channel Bay. 798 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 1: Does he still have the hair? 799 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 2: He still has the hair, but he wore a ponytail. 800 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,919 Speaker 2: He's like he's a grandpa. I mean he's he's he's 801 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 2: a energizer bunny. That guy. I love him so much. 802 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,919 Speaker 1: Well, great show. Check it out. It's on Access TV 803 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: and Carney. It was such a pleasure to meet you, 804 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 1: talk to you. We got to do this again, even 805 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 1: if it's not on TV. We're just going to get 806 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: together and cook. 807 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 2: Loved it. Chris, It's great to meet you too. I've 808 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 2: watched you for years and I'm always just You're handsome 809 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 2: and sweet and you're a great host. You were a 810 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 2: great host. Thank you, and I'm glad you have this. 811 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 2: And yeah, let's just keep making the world a. 812 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: Good place and just keep up every day and win 813 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: that day. You're doing great twenty years, keep going, win 814 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: the next day. 815 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, you take care, Adias amigo. 816 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most 817 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: dramatic pod ever, and make sure to write us a 818 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: review and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you 819 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: next time.