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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: Is Dan Rubinstein, sir? How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty good. I can't complain. Got a good night's

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Speaker 1: That's why did we want to tell the story about

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Speaker 1: me doing the fake wordle.

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Speaker 2: You were doing fake wordles. Yeah, you downloaded a copycat

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Speaker 2: So today we are drafting humans who don't get drafted.

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Speaker 1: So this is all going to a place where you

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and so I think that suys me a little

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Speaker 1: who's your team? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well that that's why I'm asking an imaginary team.

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Speaker 2: well number one Dave Randa, because I think he's going

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Speaker 1: We could, we could, but quickly on the Randa point,

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Speaker 1: So I'm jealous you got Randa here and pick one.

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Speaker 1: So for me, mel Tucker's the answer here. He's a

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Speaker 2: Okay, So mel Tucker clearly a strong pick. Clearly has

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Speaker 2: And all credit to Meltucker because of where that Michigan

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Speaker 1: But David Randa, David Randa, well, I know those conversations.

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Speaker 2: defense was terrible. That said, this was the I looked

431
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,719
Speaker 2: it up. This is the number two most improved offensive

432
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 2: unit in the country, and it's the number one Power

433
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,880
Speaker 2: five one in terms of points per drive going from

434
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty to twenty twenty one. Kenneth Walker the explosive

435
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 2: plays downfield in the passing game. It was a joy

436
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 2: to watch. Yeah, I'm just not sold on Michigan State

437
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 2: as a whole. As a this is a new era.

438
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: We're back to being ten plus win Michigan State more

439
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 2: often than not just because of the results, just because

440
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 2: the lack of consistent strong wins. But I mean win

441
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: is a win. Is a win, is a win is

442
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 2: a win in Michigan State won for sure, and I

443
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: think I am hopeful that further stability will be on

444
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,439
Speaker 2: the way. This is still very much a work in

445
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: progress if we want to consider this truly year one

446
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: from El Tucker. Yeah, it took a while to work

447
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 2: some stuff out. We thought Anthony Russo was going to

448
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 2: be the quarterback, remember that. Yep. No, I mean the

449
00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 2: cupboard was difficult with you know, the rocky lumbar already,

450
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 2: Anthony Russo, Peyton Thorne like it. It was not a

451
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 2: team where you looked at them and said, this is

452
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: a team that's going to make big plays happen. And

453
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: this is like they have explosion within them. Maybe in

454
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: year three or something like that with a couple of

455
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,959
Speaker 2: recruiting cycles, but they have a quarterback of the future

456
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: coming in I think from southern California. Brandon Huffman talked

457
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 2: about him. Yeah, I think to look at Michigan State

458
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: right now is to look at a program that is

459
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: going to recruit potentially better than they ever have under

460
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: Mel Tucker. I'm curious to see what those hires look

461
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: like here and in year out and I'm curious to see

462
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: now with an up Michigan, with Ohio State obviously going

463
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 2: to stay where they are, Penn State, I think will

464
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: be in a really good place. It's the sort of

465
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: re establishing themselves as a team that can beat any

466
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 2: of these teams any given week, like where they were

467
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 2: in whatever it was twenty thirteen, fourteen, somewhere in there.

468
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: I think effort is not to be undersold here. You're

469
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: right that the record of eleven wins is built a

470
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: little bit on sand because the second order wins says

471
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: that this is an eight and a half nine win team. Sure,

472
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: and so you know, you called out a couple of

473
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Speaker 1: the games. There's a Penn State game, there's a Nebraska game.

474
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: There's like three or four in.

475
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Speaker 2: There that Penn State was in snow. You know, I'm

476
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: willing to write off a little bit of that.

477
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, for sure. But point taken, and I think

478
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: it's valid. My hope for Meltucker is that he continues

479
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: to build upon the success because it was a success

480
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: at eleven and two. Let me pivot. Then I will

481
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: go back to you if you can make the next

482
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Speaker 1: pick whatever.

483
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Speaker 2: Well, I was just going to say if you're one

484
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: of those teams that I mentioned, right, Cal Virginia, Louisville, Miami.

485
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 2: You're thrilled with Meltucker as your head coach. You will

486
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 2: look at the moon with what mel Tucker would bring

487
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 2: to your program.

488
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Speaker 1: All right, So I'm looking. I see in the upper

489
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Speaker 1: left hand corner of the video, which you can watch

490
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Speaker 1: it for ballers dot Com, you've got snake. So is

491
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Speaker 1: this a Snake draft?

492
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Speaker 2: Am I up agains up to you? I don't know.

493
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Speaker 1: I think you should go again. I'll take Sam Pittman,

494
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: do it. Sam Pittman's the obvious one. Now Here's what's

495
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: not lost on me. Could you not make the same

496
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: points against Sam Pittman that you could melt Tucker, Because

497
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: certainly if you more difficult schedule, I think on the

498
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: Arkansas side playing in the SEC, but I think if

499
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: you look at their second order wins total in the

500
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: same boat eight and a half nine win team, there

501
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: were games throughout the course of the year, the Mississippi

502
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: State one comes to mind, wins in the box score,

503
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: but games where the team did not play particularly well.

504
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: What I like about Arkansas and what I like about

505
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,959
Speaker 1: Sam Pittman. Recall back to what he did in your

506
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 1: money at Felipe Franks. Felipe Franks was very good for

507
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: Sam Pittman and Arkansas did a good job before he

508
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: got hurt. This year, what he did with kJ Jefferson

509
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: is what I think I'm most excited about because as

510
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: we saw in the bowl game against Penn State, when

511
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: in the first there was a lot that was not

512
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: working for Arkansas and they were down a couple guys,

513
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: I get it, but they relied on kJ Jefferson. They

514
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: were able to rely on kJ Jefferson, and that to

515
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: me is a big deal moving forward if you've got

516
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 1: that guy right. We talked about it coming into this season,

517
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: actually with Eli Drinkwitz, who I will not be drafting,

518
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: and we could talk about, but it is such a

519
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: different mindset when you feel like you've identified that quarterback

520
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: that you can build around, versus still being in a

521
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: state of flux. Right. We thought that Connor Beasilak was

522
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: going to be that guy for Eli Drinkwitz that you

523
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: know he's transferring now to Indiana. That culdarly did not

524
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: work out.

525
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 2: To be clear, Sam Pittman didn't recruit kJ Jeffers.

526
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: He didn't recruit him but he he had the foresight

527
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: to put him into a situation where he could succeed. Sure, yeah,

528
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: and succeed he did. It was an incredible season for

529
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: kJ Jefferson. He balled out big time. Yeah, big time.

530
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: This is a program that I just felt has taken

531
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: on to bleeps in pretty much every direction. They weren't

532
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: always the team that was going to go out there

533
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: and beat your brains in, but they were able to utilize,

534
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: at least offensively, their talent at quarterback, their talent at

535
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: running back, the talent at wide receiver in the best

536
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: possible ways, and they were damn competitive in the SEC.

537
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: They won nine games. They went from three to seven

538
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty to nine and four this past year.

539
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: I mean, you can nitpick it if you want, but

540
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: to do that in the SEC, especially for where Arkansas was,

541
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: like even compared to Baylor, which you know, Baylor had

542
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: its moments, but even compared to Michigan State, Arkansas was

543
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: down and out. Man, he was down out taking that

544
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: job and to do what he's done in such a

545
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: short period of time is frankly maybe the best turnaround

546
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: story in all of college football.

547
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: I think the case for Sam Pittman as the best

548
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: of this class is wronger than mel Tucker's because the

549
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: degree of difficulty with which Arkansas operates playing in the

550
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: SEC West, the degree of difficulty with transfers and being

551
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: making Arkansas a destination. Not that Arkansas is a bad place,

552
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: but just because of recent Arkansas results, you have to question,

553
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: you like, what's going on here? As Bill c Likes mentioned,

554
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 2: it's not always the coach, sometimes it's the school. So

555
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, what is going on in Fayetteville for

556
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 2: Sam Pittman to come into a situation recognize what needed help.

557
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: I love when an offensive line coach gets a chance,

558
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: because at the very least, you know, okay, there's an

559
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: identification of talent up front, there's development of talent. You

560
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: know that there's going to be focused there. When a

561
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: team has two offensive line coaches, a head coach and

562
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: a position coach, and obviously you have Gas Nalys whatever,

563
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: But when they have those two offensive line coaches, you're

564
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: pretty sure that that's going to be a good looking

565
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: team up front. And I love the floor raising that

566
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: that gives you. Specifically to Arkansas. I mentioned the coordinator Hires.

567
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: I mentioned how aggressively. They've hit the portal on both

568
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: sides of the ball. This past offseason we hat Drew

569
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: Sanders from Alabama and then Jaden Hazelwood on the other

570
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: side of the ball, the receiver from Oklahoma. They've hit

571
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: the portal impressively hard. And there's something about the Sam

572
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: Pittman experience right recruiting offensive line portal assistant hires that

573
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: I think, to me could translate more efficiently anywhere that

574
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: his force of personality, and the same thing be said

575
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: of Meltucker right when you have two defensive backs coaches,

576
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: whatever depends, but the force of personality with Sam Pittman,

577
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: the ability to look they gave Alabama kind of everything

578
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: they could handle for what over three quarters, three and

579
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: a half quarters. This is year two versus year whatever

580
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: it is thirteen for Nick Saban. So there is something

581
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: about Sam Pittman that wherever he would go, I think

582
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: that he would be fueling eight plus win teams. The

583
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: difference to me with mel Tucker, which I think is

584
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: more of a case for Sam Pittman as well, is

585
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: you look at how many ten plus win seasons Michigan

586
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: State has had in the past decade versus what Arkansas

587
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: has done in the last decade. Yeah, it's just more difficult.

588
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: They're starting for becoming, they're starting from a different point. Yeah,

589
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: he I mean, look, Michigan State was horrendous when mel

590
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: Tucker got there, don't get me wrong, But in terms

591
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: of reputation, what Arkansas was dealing with with their low points,

592
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: which I guess was losing to Western Kentucky, I just, man,

593
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: it was so down in the dumps. So I don't know,

594
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: I give I give a lot of out of the

595
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: box credit to Arkansas for making the move that they

596
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: did and empowering Sam Pittman like they have. So that

597
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: was it was a tough back and forth with me

598
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: for Sam Pittman. I think I might have gone a

599
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: Randa because of age that Sam Pittman, I think is

600
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 2: considerably older than Dave Randa, so maybe that's a factor.

601
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: I just I love it. I love the pick hit

602
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: job well.

603
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: And another thing quickly on Pittman. We like to look

604
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: at improvements beyond the win total. Win total can sometimes

605
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: be deceiving. This is a program in Arkansas that took

606
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: a thirty five spot jump in the overall SP plus rankings.

607
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: They finished the year twenty second. Overall, a pretty sizable

608
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: jump in both offense and defense. Now there's nuance to

609
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: those numbers. If you dig in, you can find spots.

610
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure where there were steps back, but by and large,

611
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: it's tough to argue with nine wins in the SEC.

612
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: It's tough to argue with nine wins with a first

613
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: time starting quarterback in kJ Jefferson, just everything he's done

614
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: across the board and his force personality too. You know,

615
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing that I think for

616
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: sure both Sam Pittman and Meltucker have in common. You

617
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: hear a lot about mel Tucker, especially walks in a room.

618
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: He's got that gravitas, and there's a lot of that

619
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: going on with Sam Pittman as well. So I'm it's

620
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: hard to argue with any of the three guys that

621
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: we've thrown out there. Maybe the argument gets a little

622
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: bit more interesting now as we dive into your pick,

623
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: your fourth pick, because it seems to me like those

624
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: are the three obvious ones. The more we dig in,

625
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: now now we're getting into like Lane Kiffin territory. Right now,

626
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: we're getting into.

627
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: Jeff Hafiege, Norvelle half Lates. Yeah, Solar Shiano.

628
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: Shiano, Yeah, Mike Leach, I don't know where do you

629
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: want to go next? What's your next pick?

630
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: Should also mention Arkansas, by the way, just because I

631
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: mentioned it with Michigan State top twenty and both most

632
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: improved offense and defense, so they were the number sixteen

633
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: most improved defense, number nineteen, most improved offense in terms

634
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: of points per drive taking away garbage time. I'm I'm

635
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: all aboard time. I'm on the lane train.

636
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: You're on the lane track?

637
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: Is lane Kivin? Yeah? Yeah, Yeah, I'm on the lane

638
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: train because I'm a believer in the current version of

639
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffen, with recruiting, with offensive vision, with assistant hires,

640
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 2: with on field ability with those assistant hires, with quarterback developed,

641
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: with system with identification of systems developing, Like he's run

642
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: a different stuff at different places, and you know, bringing

643
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: in Levy, you know having I think it was FAU

644
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: That's where he was with Charlie Weist junior. Like he

645
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: has taken components of a bunch of different offenses spread

646
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: in West Coast and RPO. I think he's going any

647
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: school he goes to, we'll have a productive at the

648
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: very least quarterback. We'll have speed, We'll hit the portal hard.

649
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: He'll recruit well, and he's connected enough in the college

650
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: football world to make savvy hires. I mean, how many

651
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: games that all Miss win this year? They win ten games?

652
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: They went ten and three. That's up from five to five.

653
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. Like, we can look at him cartoonishly,

654
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: but that cartoon wins a ton of games, right Like

655
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: we you can look back at his time at Tennessee

656
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: and the Raiders and USC and say, yeah, he's inconsistent.

657
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: I don't know why he gets as much love as

658
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: he does. But as of late, he sort of went

659
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: back to square one with going to Alabama and going

660
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: to FAU and working his way back up and sort

661
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: of rediscovering what makes his name attractive in the coaching world.

662
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 2: I look at the defensive improvement this year from Ole Miss.

663
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I'm just like, there's a case that Lane

664
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: Kiffin is actually the best proven coach on this list

665
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: because of the amount of time that he has spent

666
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: as a head coach and major coordinator. That if you

667
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: were to give a coach a year to build a

668
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: winning team, that Lane Kiffin might do the best job

669
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: of it. There's the wildcard element that I think goes

670
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 2: against taking him first overall. But if you're just judging

671
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: somebody based on proven best coach, like it might be Lane.

672
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin is only forty six years of age. Yeah,

673
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: he's been a head coach now five times MS if

674
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: you count this gig with Old Miss. He's been in

675
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: the NFL, he's been at Tennessee, he's been at USC. Like,

676
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: this is a guy who's gotten around. This is a

677
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: guy who clearly has a lot of coaching experience, and

678
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: he's still a pretty young dude. I believe in redemption arcs.

679
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: I believe that a lot of the baggage that has

680
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: been with Lane Kiffin throughout the years, hopefully he's the

681
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: kind of thing that he's grown out of or can

682
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: grow out of. I guess that would be the argument

683
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: against him, right, that'd be the argument against him that, Yeah,

684
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: is this guy reliable? Because there have been moments where

685
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: you know you got him and he wants to jump

686
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: elsewhere Tennessee, Right, guy ends up going to USC. Can

687
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: you trust him? Is he the kind of guy that

688
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: you want to build your program around? Feels like a risk,

689
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: Like these are real things that I think follow Lane

690
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: Kiffin wherever he goes. That being said, you're right to

691
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: improve Old Missus defense, Like everyone's going to focus on

692
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: Matt Carrall and he's probably gonna be a first round pick.

693
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: And the offense was very good. The defense was quietly

694
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: the story for Old miss this year, quietly the story because.

695
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: Couldn't stop the Ronaton. But they improved.

696
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: There's nuance. Right again, there's nuance. But the fact that

697
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: they improved to the extent that they did and defensively

698
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: was much more of a force than they had been

699
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: in years past. That to me is kind of the

700
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: hallmark of a guy who's starting to figure it out.

701
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: He's starting to figure it out. And now to the

702
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: recruiting point, and especially now with the transfer portal bringing

703
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: over Zach Evans right sure to be the starting running back.

704
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: Who knows if they end up getting a guy like

705
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: a Jackson Dart who could potentially be in play at

706
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: Old Miss arch.

707
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: Manning, they've hit They've hit the portal hard yep.

708
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: Arch Manning another big name right like all world everything

709
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: quarterback recruit couldn't up in Oxford. His legacy, So like

710
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: there's just a lot going on there that if you're

711
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: an old mis fan, you have to feel very optimistic

712
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: about what this programs under Lane baggage. Aside, the proof

713
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: is there. This is a team that got a lot better.

714
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 1: Matt Carrall elevated his game, I think to a different dimension.

715
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna get picked in the first round. So

716
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: these are all recruiting bits that Lane's gonna use. He's

717
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: also fabulous on social media and like, Yeah, not to

718
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: say that either you or I enjoy living in that world,

719
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: but I think we both respect its value in the

720
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: modern age of college football, right, and the fact that

721
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: he's that good and that kind of with it. He's

722
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: got his finger on the pulse of Twitter or whatnot.

723
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: It he's with it, he is. It stands for something

724
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: in today's cool missus digitally forward in no small part

725
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: because of Lane Kiffin's presence. Yeah, so again, I'll turn

726
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: it to this. You now have Lane Kiffin, Dave Randa,

727
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: Sam Pittman, or Mel Tucker, and you are Virginia or Louisville. Yeah,

728
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 2: and you are you are tasked with let's say they'll

729
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 2: all accept the you know, six million dollars or whatever

730
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: you're offering six seven million dollars to be the new

731
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: head coach, and your big stipulation is you only get

732
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: paid if you win nine games, and you have a

733
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: year to you know, figure things out, and then the

734
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: next season you have to win nine games in the

735
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: ACC right now, an average conference coaching an average team

736
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: in Louisville, Scott Sanderfield is like, whatever, are you still

737
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: going Sam Pittman or excuse me, are you still going

738
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: Mel Tucker as your first choice? With Dave Verranda off

739
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: the border? Would you go Randa or would you go

740
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin or would.

741
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: You go to Sam?

742
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: You know which of these first four? If that changes

743
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: your mind at all with the benefit of hindsight, the

744
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: way I'm presenting this exercise.

745
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: There is a very strong case to be made that

746
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: if you are looking for the quickest lift possible, yep,

747
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin's your guy. Because despite the fact that Dave

748
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: Randa has done a bang job at Baylor and Mel

749
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: Tucker has been rebuilding this thing and he's lancing, and

750
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: Sam Pittman has done you know, I mean, he's like

751
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: walking on water in Fayeville at this point.

752
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

753
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: Lane is probably the strongest recruiter of all three of

754
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: those guys, Lane is Lane brings a star power with

755
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: him that the others don't have. They could get there,

756
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: but Lane's been around this game for so long and

757
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: I just think he's He's a different kind of cat

758
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: when it comes to the recruiting game. So I guess

759
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: it depends what you're after.

760
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: He does not come well, I said, I said, I said,

761
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: basically a year. So I'm not asking for a long

762
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: term solution here.

763
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: Long term, Yeah, you could make a really strong case

764
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: for him.

765
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: I think it might be. Yeah, I think in that

766
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 2: very specific ask, I think it's Lane, which is why

767
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: I'm going with him. I think I have a value

768
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: pick and now Lane and Oranda as my grouping.

769
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 1: What's your next pick?

770
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: I have it down here, I'm I have Jeff haff.

771
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: There, it is there, it is back together again.

772
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he definitely has an incomplete at BC because

773
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: he hasn't recruited a high school quarterback that has played

774
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: a lot of time. He hit the portal relatively impressively

775
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: with philder Kovic, though hurt for the majority of twenty

776
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: twenty one. So I can sort of give BC and

777
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: incomplete in terms of how it reflects on Jeff Haffley,

778
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: but I like his staff a lot. I like the

779
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: youth and energy from his staff, the recruiting, and I

780
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 2: like his background both within the NFL and at Ohio

781
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: State his short time at Ohio State. I like the youth.

782
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: It's an incomplete though. This is much more of a

783
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: a hope. This is much more of a ceiling thing

784
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: and a potential thing. Like I could have gone Greg

785
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: Schiano or Mike Leach right like Greg Ciano is definitely

786
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: raising your floor one hundred percent, Mike Leach largely is.

787
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: And you have the vision thing, and you have the

788
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: track record thing that he's been there, done that, and

789
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: so those are clear case to take either Leech or

790
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: Chiano over Jeff Halfley. So I'm sort of banking on

791
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 2: the unknown at this point that I think his teams

792
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: play hard. I think he is going to be smart.

793
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be cutting edge. I think

794
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: he's going to raise floor pretty quickly no matter where

795
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: he goes, because I don't think he's necessarily long for

796
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: Boston College. If he does win eight or nine games there,

797
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: I think it's a difficult place to win. So for that,

798
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 2: for those reasons, I'm going to roll the dice with

799
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 2: Jeff Halfley, and I know BC fans aren't like fully

800
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: enamored with him by and large just because of the

801
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: inconsistent results his first two years. All that into consideration,

802
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: I still am a believer in his reputation, in how

803
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: the industry seems to view him, and say, I'm going

804
00:41:54,239 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: I want him on my make believe squad. Okay, would

805
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: you have taken somebody else over Halfley? Here? Would you

806
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 2: have taken Jeff Trailer? Would you have taken and say, like, Okay,

807
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: I know he has this. You know it's a he's

808
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: a one state guy in Texas, right, I mean, I

809
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: think he's been at Arkansas, but his the majority of

810
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: his career has been in the lone star state that

811
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: you know Shiano, you know, NFL coach for US of

812
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: Nature hit the portal hard from major schools.

813
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I you know I will grade Jeff Hafley

814
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: against himself. Okay, because year one in twenty twenty I

815
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: thought was very promising. Now, Jeff Hafley, keep in mind

816
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: we've been talking about coaches took a big jump when

817
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: it comes to win totals. Jeff Hafley was six and

818
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: five in twenty twenty. He was six and six in

819
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Now there again, we have to color

820
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: in different shades here because there are reasons for that.

821
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: Phil Jerkovic went down. It changed the trajectory of this

822
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: season in a pretty drastic way. They were really counting

823
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: on him to be the guy. He came back later

824
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: in the year. We could talk about what that meant

825
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: to the team, what it didn't, but I think that's

826
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: the reason for the incomplete I was gung ho on

827
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: BC coming into this year, and a lot of people

828
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: were You could squint and find a way to get

829
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: them to ten and two. The over under in Vegas

830
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: was seven, and I remember at the time when I

831
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: did the preview for BC, I was all in on

832
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: over seven. All in again, I could take the optimistic view.

833
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: I'd give them ten wins. You could also look at

834
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: the schedule and say this is maybe a five win team.

835
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: In reality, because of the injury, they ended up being

836
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: closer to the lower end of that. Right. He is

837
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: a guy who What I liked about Jeff Halfley is

838
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: in year one he did something very wise, had a

839
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: transfer quarterback coming in, didn't know what we get out

840
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: of field your COVID. But whereas a lot of coaches

841
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: out there tried to run like the full playbook in

842
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Jeff Hafley just stripped the thing down. He

843
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: went techmo super Bowl style. Let's just do a few

844
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: things that we know we can master given the limitations

845
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 1: of the season, and they did a great job with it. BC,

846
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: even though they only had six wins, was a breakout

847
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: success in twenty twenty because of the job that they

848
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: did under Halfley had the injuries this season. He just

849
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: feels like a guy who knows how to maximize talent

850
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: and he's at a place like BC where they're never

851
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: going to get five star recruits, not in droves, right,

852
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 1: that's not the game that they're going to play in BC.

853
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: But the fact that they've been competitive now in a

854
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: manner that they have for two years running to varying degrees, Like,

855
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: I just think that's a great job that he's done.

856
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: So as I'm looking up and down the list here,

857
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: you could probably convince me on Kaylin de Borr, who's

858
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: my boy?

859
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: You know, I love Kaylen to Borr, but I don't

860
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: is he eligible for this exercise? I mean he's not

861
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: at Presdent. He's not a second year he's not a

862
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 2: second year coach. He's a first year coach.

863
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: You could if we relax the rules, let's say zero zeroth, Yeah,

864
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: you could. You could talk me into Kaitlin to bor Oh.

865
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

866
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: But Jeff Trailer, I you know, I mean, Jeff Trailer

867
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: did a good job. Jeff Trailer won five more games

868
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: this season and last. I am not as high on

869
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: Mike Leach. I'm not as high on Greg Chiano. I'm

870
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: not as high on Mike Norvel. I don't know if

871
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: you're high on Mike Norvel. But Brady Hoak, like somewhat,

872
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: could we throw Brady Hoak in there? I still have

873
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I still a scar tissue from the Michigan experience.

874
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: So yep, and Ricky Ronnie it was a great story,

875
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: but he's a huge incomplete because they didn't even play

876
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. I think the only answer here is

877
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: Jeff Hafley.

878
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the good news for Jeff Hafley is

879
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: I don't think Boston College lost any games they really

880
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: should have won, which can be somewhat attributed to coaching,

881
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 2: and they didn't. I don't did they win any games

882
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: they should have lost, Like they just sort of were

883
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: who they were, so in terms of identity, like Boston

884
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: College was fine. I don't know, it's it's definitely incomplete

885
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: to me, but yeah, I'm banking on upside here.

886
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: Do we want to quickly talk through some of the

887
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: other names. We've each got three coaches now right that

888
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: we've broken down and as we kind of turn the

889
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: corner here in the final ten minutes of the show, Yeah,

890
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: there are some names that we haven't mentioned. So we've

891
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: thrown at Jeff Trail or we can go into a

892
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: little bit more detail about him. But I want to

893
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: talk about Mike Leach because Mike Leach a well known

894
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: figure in college football. You are very high in Mississippi

895
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: State coming into this season. I was the Mississippi State

896
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty was four and seven. They went seven

897
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: and six into twenty twenty one. I feel like seven

898
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: and six is a bit of a disappointment cause you

899
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: had much higher expectations for this team. I'm curious why

900
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: Leech is still in the conversation for you win total

901
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: went up right out about it jump by three, but

902
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: at the same time, seven to six still feels like

903
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: a bit of a disappointment relative to preseason expectations.

904
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were just kind of all over the place

905
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: when you look at the wins that obviously the textas

906
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: A and m one stands out beat in Kentucky the

907
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: way that they'd like. There were impressive wins, but just

908
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 2: that they would fall behind twenty eight to three, twenty

909
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: eight seven and claw back in right they lose to

910
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: LSU in that manner. You know, the Memphis game was

911
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: kind of a nightmare. The Arkansas game was obviously winnable.

912
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: I I don't know. The Bowl performance wasn't great, especially

913
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: in an emotional spot for him. They improved over the

914
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: course of you know, Mike Leach's tenure thus far, and

915
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: they have a quarterback who seems to be more and

916
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: more comfortable in this offense. They've got playmakers at receiver obviously,

917
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: playmakers on defense. I just think that the inconsistency points

918
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: to some sort of I don't know, messaging problem, an

919
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: inspiration problem, a motivation problem. I don't know what it is,

920
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: but I can't fully get on board knowing that there

921
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 2: is that while that the team reflects the head coach

922
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: and Mike Leach is nothing if not a wild card,

923
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: and that's what Mississippi State seems to have been this

924
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 2: past year. So the best of KLANGA is really fun

925
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: and impressive and can hang with or beat most teams,

926
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: but man, the depths, especially like last year when what

927
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: they beat LSU they throw for all those yards the

928
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: kJ costello and I mean obviously an awful and decimated

929
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 2: LSU team, and then to completely fold the way that

930
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: they did for the stretch through the middle of the season.

931
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just I don't think I would

932
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: feel super comfortable at this point saying this is who

933
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: I can count on if I'm Louisville, Virginia cal Like,

934
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: I just I need more dependability and a little bit

935
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: more recruiting for me.

936
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: You know how many times Mike Leach has won double

937
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: digits in his coaching career. He's been a head coach by.

938
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: The way, right, he's gonna bring you to be an

939
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: annoyingly competent team. He's good, too, great.

940
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: Right. He's been a head coach at two notable stops,

941
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: Texas Tech in Washington State. There's a bit of a

942
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: layover between job one and job two, but only twice

943
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: in his tenure as a head football coach has he

944
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: won double digits, and each was in the second to

945
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: last year of his tenure. The win total did go

946
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: up for Mississippi State. But I guess my question is

947
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: is that good enough? Is it good enough to be

948
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: annoyingly competent? Is that a selling point for a coach

949
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: to establish that base levels to ability where you're gonna

950
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: win seven eight games a year? Is that good enough

951
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: for Mississippi State at this juncture in college football?

952
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: It's a good question. It's a good question. I can't

953
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: wait to see year three. I can't wait to see

954
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 2: a jump in year three. And the other two I

955
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: think major names are Eli Drinkwitz and Mike Norvell. Those

956
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: are good picks in theory. Those are two teams that

957
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: were really down and out, and there's a lot to

958
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: be encouraged about based on administrative moves within the team.

959
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 2: Who has been added to the roster in the portal

960
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: or what recruiting classes have looked like short of a

961
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: major cornerback who opted for Jackson State, I hear you,

962
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: But those are in theory, interesting names. So I just

963
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: haven't seen enough on the field, Like if the best

964
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 2: of Florida State is what the way they finished out

965
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: the Miami game, the way that they finished out almost

966
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 2: beating Notre Dame, Like, what what are we buying here

967
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: with Florida State? And so yeah, Miszoo is much more

968
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: hypothetical just because it's a more difficult job based on conference,

969
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: based on recent track record. But yeah, you look at

970
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: Florida State this past year. It's I yeah, it's pulling

971
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: out Miami and almost pulling out Notre Dame, which is

972
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: not amazing.

973
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Norvel thing to me, I it was a

974
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: rocky start to his tenure. It was a very rocky

975
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: start to his tenure. And certainly the way that year

976
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: two started off, there were questions like is this guy

977
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: gonna make it through the year? Start off owing four

978
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: Boston Jacksonville State. Jacksonville State wasn't even a good FCS team,

979
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: like it.

980
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, hard to draft that.

981
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: It's tough to pick that. And I think he did

982
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: an admirable job pulling it together after that, right, I mean,

983
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 1: there's no two ways about it. Didn't make a bowl,

984
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: but they at least had a chance to make a

985
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: bowl game going into that Florida matchup. That was a

986
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: close game that was a coin flip. Yeah, that Florida game,

987
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,439
Speaker 1: and they could have won that, so they pulled together late.

988
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: It still feels to me like, given what we saw

989
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: from him at Memphis, to be Trott and Jordan Travis

990
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: out there is not what he wants to do. That's

991
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: not his mo. So it remains to be seen to

992
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: me if he can get more of his kind of

993
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: quarterback in there, if that's going to reverse fortunes a

994
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: bit on offense and and make this team just feel

995
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: a lot different and get to different heights. The recruiting

996
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: thing with Travis Hunter, Norvell was the victim of that

997
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: this year. People were calling for his head because of it.

998
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: There are gonna be other coaches that fall victim to

999
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: this too. It's not Norvell just happened to be the first.

1000
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: Victim to a kid going to an HBC.

1001
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm being dramatic. I'm being dramatic.

1002
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 2: I know you are.

1003
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: I know I'm being dramatic. You know where I'm where

1004
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm at with this. But it will happen. Other kid's

1005
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: going to happen, Nick Saban. At some point, sure there'll

1006
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: be a kid who gets lured away, Maybe not by

1007
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: Jackson state, but by a different program because of nil money,

1008
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 1: like it's just going to happen. I'm just not sure

1009
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: if I have the level of confidence that this thing

1010
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: is going to turn around at all.

1011
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 2: Okay for him, fair enough.

1012
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: It The way they closed out the season was admirable

1013
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: to an extent, But that being said, there's still a

1014
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: lot of.

1015
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: Holes to fill for sure, and some they improved. I'm

1016
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: not sure the improvements there. It just it's a you know,

1017
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: the NBA is what a make and mis league? Yeah,

1018
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: everything's a win and lost league, and that's what that's

1019
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: what we need. That's all.

1020
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: Let me close it out very quickly by talking about

1021
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: Greg Ciano.

1022
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: I'd love to, as long as that the hypothetical school

1023
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: we're dealing with is in New Jersey. He's an interesting pick. Otherwise,

1024
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: who knows.

1025
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I I like Rutgers going out

1026
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: and get him. I don't typically like the retread, right,

1027
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: especially if it's a retread that's been there before. I don't.

1028
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: I don't like going for the sequel. But Rutgers is

1029
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 1: at a unique disadvantage in the fact that it's supposed

1030
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: to be kind of like the easternmost anchor of one

1031
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: of the biggest conferences in college football. Fordham still may

1032
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: literally be the team of New York. Okay, we make

1033
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: that joke, but true. I don't know if anyone truly

1034
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: gives a damn about Rutgers football in the numbers of

1035
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: the big power. Yeah, it's just it's just not a thing.

1036
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: And so it's hard to kind of rebuild that. It's

1037
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: hard to recapture that magic, the pandemonium in Piscataway that

1038
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: he was part of way back when, over a decade ago.

1039
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: To kind of have that local knowledge and the experience

1040
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: of having done that once I think is very valuable

1041
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: at a place like Rutgers. And so he's already elevated

1042
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: and raised the floor. In year two they went from

1043
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: three wins to five and eight. With the Wonky Bowl situation, yep,

1044
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: I think they're getting better. They are at least far

1045
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: more competent than they were under the previous regime. So

1046
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: I like him there in terms of somebody that I

1047
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: would draft, He's a lot older than pretty much every

1048
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: name on this list. That works against him, for better

1049
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: or worse. If we're drafting, if we've got our two

1050
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: cents about who we're gonna who we're gonna take and

1051
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: when in what order? I like you said, outside of Jersey.

1052
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if it plays, but at least in

1053
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: that very specific instance, he's done.

1054
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, he'll raise your floor. And it's hard to

1055
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: gauge because the depths of Rutgers football are tremendous, uh,

1056
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 2: these past you know, basically ten years. So yeah, I

1057
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 2: think he'd raise your floor anywhere. I think he would

1058
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: field a good defense. He would hit the portal hard.

1059
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: He still has the you know, he coached in the

1060
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: NFL for a considerab amount of time or sometime. He's

1061
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: a name, he's a big name. It's just what has

1062
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: he proven in the modern era on any level in

1063
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 2: terms of success yet to be seen?

1064
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 1: Yet to be seen? All right, yep, right in, Soliverbalo

1065
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: atgmail dot com.

1066
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, rank them.

1067
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: Let us know what we got right, what we got wrong.

1068
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: We'll be posting clips of this out across all of

1069
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: our social media platforms. Respond wherever, let us know your thoughts.

1070
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: Because very much a subjective exercise. But I thought a

1071
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Speaker 1: fitting thing to do now that we're through what amounts

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Speaker 1: to year two or year one for many of these guys,

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Speaker 1: especially since it was such a big talking point coming

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Speaker 1: into the season. Right, there were so many unknowns, especially

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Speaker 1: You don't really have to compete to win. That signed

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Speaker 1: Reggie Bush.

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Speaker 2: Mini helmet in a way.

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Speaker 1: In a way, alrighty Dan, fun show, as I'd like

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Speaker 1: to say, that is good. I enjoyeda same for that

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Speaker 1: guy there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie

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Speaker 1: Hilton Brand, thank you so much for downloading, for listening,

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Speaker 1: for playing along at home. We will be back next Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, today saw peace