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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. It's all presented by Core's Light.

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Speaker 1: He's Paul to Tino. I am John Schmelt Giants getting

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Speaker 1: ready for preseason game number two against Chicago Bears and

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Speaker 1: MetLife Stadium tonight. Kickoff is at seven thirty. Pre game

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Speaker 1: on the radio, which can be heard on Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: sixty six w f A n a M only on

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Speaker 1: the AM dial at six sixty is at six thirty five.

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Speaker 1: Paul Detino was to play by play at seven thirty,

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Speaker 1: and if you're on TV, you can check out the

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Speaker 1: game on w NBC Channel four. Coverage begins at seven thirty. Paul,

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Speaker 1: how are you good to see it? John? Looking forward

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Speaker 1: to the game tonight, I will I will tell you

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Speaker 1: this after what happened last week, there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of very interesting points to assess in week number two. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and I will get to why we started the show late.

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Speaker 1: In a moment, I was watching a replay of the

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Speaker 1: pass interference penalty from last night that did not get overturned.

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Speaker 1: But I want to touch on the stuff about the

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Speaker 1: Giant game, specifically for the Giants. First. As Paul watches

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Speaker 1: it for the first time here. Um for me, Number

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Speaker 1: one Paul has to be Niel Jones. He's coming off

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Speaker 1: a small sample size. Is good of a performance that

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Speaker 1: you could have had? Five for five, sixty seven yards

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Speaker 1: a touchdown, perfect quarterback rating, small sample size. I asked

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer a question that I eventually edited out because

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Speaker 1: I don't think he liked the question very much and

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Speaker 1: give me a great answer interviewed today, I asked him,

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Speaker 1: you know, would it be useful because you know, last

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Speaker 1: week everything kind of went perfect for Daniel. He you know,

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Speaker 1: completed every pass he was, didn't face a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 1: Everything went well for him. I asked, you know, are

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Speaker 1: you're looking forward to maybe seeing him face a little adversity,

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Speaker 1: see how he handles something not going right. And he

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Speaker 1: was not a big fan of that question. He goes, no,

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Speaker 1: we want to see everything go right from every game,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, I get that. But then he

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Speaker 1: did go on to say, you know, it's the NFL,

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Speaker 1: though things are gonna go wrong, but we do feel

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Speaker 1: confident about him based on what we've seen in practice

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Speaker 1: and what we saw in college from his time at Duke,

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Speaker 1: that he will handle those things well, But for me,

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Speaker 1: I want to see how Daniel Jones handle handles a

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Speaker 1: rush being in his face, how he deals with pressure,

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Speaker 1: does he stay cool, does everything still look comfortable for

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Speaker 1: him when it's not a clean pocket. Those are some

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Speaker 1: of the things that I'm looking forward to with him tonight. Well,

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Speaker 1: for me, he did not get into a two minute

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Speaker 1: drill situation. I think that's another good That to me

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Speaker 1: is the number one priority because and if you could

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Speaker 1: get that at the end of the first half, theoretically,

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Speaker 1: well yes, because we figure ELI is going to start

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Speaker 1: and let's just say he goes to possessions or the

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Speaker 1: first quarter. If Daniel Jones gets the whole second quarter,

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Speaker 1: you know, barring any lightning, and it's gonna be rained

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Speaker 1: And I don't even go there, I know, but barring

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Speaker 1: a lightning delay, that would cause a chink in the armor,

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Speaker 1: so to speak. The anticipation is that Jones will play

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Speaker 1: the second quarter, which means there is a real possibility

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Speaker 1: he will get into a hurry up, no huddled, two

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Speaker 1: minute drill possibility. And I think we anticipate ELI for

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Speaker 1: most of the first quarter. I think they they have

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Speaker 1: one really good drive that might be the end of

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Speaker 1: him if he has a three and out, will probably

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Speaker 1: see him come out for a second and then Daniel

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Speaker 1: have Tanny and will let us split half number two.

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Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense to me, and so that's where

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Speaker 1: my focus is on with Daniel Jones because to see

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Speaker 1: gets to a regular season game, that's gonna happen. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I agree. In terms of se Kwon Barkley, the Giants

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Speaker 1: have not tipped their cap as to what they're going

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Speaker 1: to do. Uh, it didn't seem like hearing from Pat

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Speaker 1: Charmer this week that he was gonna play this week.

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Speaker 1: No reason to kind of get risk injury with him.

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Speaker 1: We'll see. If he does play, it will probably only

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Speaker 1: we'll see about that. I wonder if Wayne Goldman, who's

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Speaker 1: We'll see. My guess is if we're gonna see Barkley,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be in preseason game number three and that's it.

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Speaker 1: So I do not think he's gonna play tonight, but

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Speaker 1: we'll see. That means a lot of Rod Smith and

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Speaker 1: with the Barkley thing, I think that coach has hinted

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Speaker 1: the last several weeks that he probably would hesitate to

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Speaker 1: of up the anti when he said this week to

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Speaker 1: a question at one of the news briefings when he said,

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Speaker 1: I think he's been getting a lot of good work

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Speaker 1: at practice, and our guys have given him a good

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Speaker 1: look and and it's been very productive. When he said that,

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Speaker 1: the red flag went off in my head that said, Okay,

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Speaker 1: he thinks that Barkley is getting the appropriate work in practice.

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Speaker 1: He thinks he's getting the right preparation and practice. It

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Speaker 1: really threw a strong hint to me that he's not

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Speaker 1: going to play. I agree, obviously, No Stilling Shepherd still

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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram didn't play in the first game. We'll see eventually.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll welcome into a preseason game. We'll see

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Speaker 1: if it's tonight. I don't know yes or no on

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Speaker 1: that front, but it will be another chance for these

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Speaker 1: see who's gonna make a play for this team. Cody Latimer,

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Speaker 1: Russell Shephard, the newcomer, t J. Jones, Benny Fowler, and

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Speaker 1: I think if Alonso Russell Paul can put together a

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Speaker 1: I think he's got a shot at, you know, beating

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Speaker 1: have done it last week if Alex Handy didn overthrow

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Speaker 1: him on a couple of deep routes, his numbers would

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Speaker 1: have looked a lot better and frankly better than t J. Jones. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's look at it this way, John. We discussed this

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Speaker 1: during the week out at the practice field. The Giants

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Speaker 1: are gonna be forced to keep seven receivers at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the season. Given the tap doesn't count on

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Speaker 1: the fifty three. He's number seven, So I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think they're gonna keep six plus him. Yes, I agree. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if we agree with that, I'm telling you I think

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Speaker 1: T J. Jones, in two weeks of practice and after

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Speaker 1: I'm not willing to say that this early. I think

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Speaker 1: sure at this point now. Okay, So he has injected

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Speaker 1: himself into the competition at the very least. Would you

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Speaker 1: did some stuff. He's got two games at least to

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Speaker 1: prove himself that he belongs on the and they badly

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Speaker 1: need to speed and we'll see if he plays tonight. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So he now muddies that situation too, because if that

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Speaker 1: you probably could have pushed him aside to injured reserve.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna happen. Unless he has a

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Speaker 1: be on THEFT three? Would you a great? Okay, well

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Speaker 1: guess what Shepherd, Slayton, maybe t J. Jones. Bottom line is,

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Speaker 1: now you're running out of spots real quick because you

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Speaker 1: know Latimer is gonna be there. You know Russell Shepherd's

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Speaker 1: Once you get past and you're assuming Slayton's on, Shepherd

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure anybody's spot is a secure. Russell Shepherd

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Speaker 1: put him on the roster, now what I put him

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Speaker 1: matter what happens in the final three games that he's on.

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Speaker 1: What if what if he is like three bad drops,

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Speaker 1: fumbles the ball, let's put it, this one plays poorly

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Speaker 1: and somebody else goes absolutely banana, I would be very

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Speaker 1: surprised if he falls off the map. I would be

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Speaker 1: very surprised too. But when I say lock, I mean lock,

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Speaker 1: I mean lock. Okay. In other words, he could sustain

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Speaker 1: a horrible game and still make it. That's what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: A lot to you means, I think, and still a

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Speaker 1: poor game. Yes, Candy sustained three bad games. Wow, that's

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Speaker 1: not gonna happen. He's a pro. You don't. I've seen okay,

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Speaker 1: I've seen weird things happen in this league. All right,

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Speaker 1: to me, that means the other spot in all likelihood,

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Speaker 1: been pointing, Penny, Fowler has got the other spot unless

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Speaker 1: he screws up and falls at the Quicksand do you

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Speaker 1: feel better about Shepherd or Fowler because I think Fowler

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Speaker 1: is ahead of Shepherd as a receiver in terms of

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Speaker 1: a receiver. You took the words right on my map.

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Speaker 1: But Russell gives you so much more on special teams. Correct.

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Speaker 1: But if Antonio Hamilton's making the team and he's one

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Speaker 1: of your gunners and Lattimer is one of your gunners,

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Speaker 1: do you need a third one? Well, let's put it

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Speaker 1: this way. As of now, there's room for both Fowler

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Speaker 1: I think at six four, which is different than anybody

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Speaker 1: else in the roster. If Russell shows that he's consistently

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Speaker 1: running regular outs, catching the football and can be a

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Speaker 1: he showed in the game number one, and we've seen

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Speaker 1: him in practice catching deep balls too, we have might

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Speaker 1: his upside purely as a wide receiver put him into

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Speaker 1: the conversation. Right now, I've got Reggie White and Alonzo

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Speaker 1: Russell on my practice squad. That's what I have right

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Speaker 1: now too. But I'm talking about can that change. I

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Speaker 1: suppose it could. There are three preseason games to go,

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Speaker 1: and I never want to make cars or quick decisions.

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Speaker 1: I would like to I always tell people all the time,

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Speaker 1: this is why I don't make a fifty three and

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Speaker 1: change it every week during the preseason. I make one

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Speaker 1: make one up after the fourth preseason game. I don't

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Speaker 1: keep fussing with my list. Although I had to fuss

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Speaker 1: shown in two weeks to be a pro, to be

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Speaker 1: as tough as nails, and to be versatile enough to

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Speaker 1: give you something on special teams. I now have to

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Speaker 1: inject him into that deal. And by the way, I'll

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Speaker 1: say this too, I want Russell Shepard on this team.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a good leader, I think he's a

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Speaker 1: good personality for the lock him. He's a great dude.

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Speaker 1: a lot of the guys. The Bears actually just did

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Speaker 1: much like the Giants did last year. Before their second

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Speaker 1: preseason game, the Bears had um team scrimmages against the

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Speaker 1: Broncos this past week, so their starters got a lot

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Speaker 1: of full contact during the week, so I don't think

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Speaker 1: would have seen a lot of Bear starters on either

431
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Speaker 1: side of the ball tonight. You know, if I watched

432
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Speaker 1: some of the Bears tape from last week, they lost

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Speaker 1: to the Panthers in their preseason opener. Ro Kuan Smith

434
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: was the only one of their four starting linebackers who

435
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Speaker 1: got snaps in that game. There was no Trava Than

436
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Speaker 1: there was no Mac, there was no Floyd. So if

437
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Speaker 1: you're looking for a really, you know, a starchy kind

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Speaker 1: of test from the Bear is d You're not going

439
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: to get it. Those three guys whore on the sidelines.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I didn't know that. But

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Speaker 1: thanks for updating me on that second thing I want

442
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Speaker 1: to talk about, especially with what you said last week, Paul,

443
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: I think we as Giants fans need to taper down

444
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Speaker 1: our expectations just a tad. I mean, I think me personally,

445
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 1: I think they're going seven and nine or eight and eight,

446
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Speaker 1: not much better. I don't see them going into Dallas

447
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Speaker 1: week one beating them. Their record is like one and

448
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Speaker 1: eleven on opening day and the one win the Giants

449
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 1: had was because Terence Williams made a mental mistake and

450
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: didn't run out of bounds to even give them a

451
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Speaker 1: chance to kick a field goal. So I'm not too

452
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Speaker 1: optimistic on that, but I just wanted to call and

453
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Speaker 1: stress the importance of the month of September. What does

454
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Speaker 1: that have to do with it? Over the past couple

455
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Speaker 1: of years, I can't tell you how tough it was.

456
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Speaker 1: By week three, Week four, we're hearing must win, must win.

457
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Speaker 1: This team is not that talented to recover from that.

458
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Speaker 1: I remember last year when me and my family went

459
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: down to Houston, we the Texans and the Giants were

460
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 1: both trying to avoid an owen three. The Texans recovered,

461
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 1: haven't lost the game since Week four team and they

462
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: made the playoffs. And the Giants just continue to go

463
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: downhill again. The talent isn't there, And I agree with

464
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Speaker 1: you p Dot, They're not gonna be making a lot

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Speaker 1: of noise. What I'll be watching for with them this

466
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: year is not so much if they lose, I'm gonna

467
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: be watching how they're losing. Are they competitive? Is this

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Speaker 1: actually football? What I'm watching over the past couple of seasons.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you I've seen so many games like I

470
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Speaker 1: don't even know what I'm watching. Is this football, whether

471
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Speaker 1: it was bad offensive line play, quarterback defense. What I'm

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Speaker 1: looking for is the competitiveness and that well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: let me put it to you this way. I've always

474
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Speaker 1: said this because Bill Polian, the Hall of Fame front

475
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Speaker 1: office executive, and if you've heard me do this program

476
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Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know that I often do

477
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Speaker 1: refer to this, uh, this piece of advice that he

478
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Speaker 1: has given many of NFL teams over the years, and

479
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: that is you often will not know what you really

480
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Speaker 1: have until the first month of the season is in

481
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Speaker 1: the books. So what you've got to do, if you're

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Speaker 1: a team might the giants, which is aspiring to be better,

483
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: aspiring to be in the playoff hunt, and to be

484
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Speaker 1: more competitive. You want to go no worse than two

485
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Speaker 1: and two in the first four games of the season.

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Speaker 1: Just tread water and make it a twelve games season

487
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Speaker 1: so that you can say, all right, let's reset, we've

488
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Speaker 1: got twelve games to go. We're right at sea level,

489
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Speaker 1: and let the chips fall there where they may. Let's

490
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Speaker 1: see what we've got. Let's maximize our advantages and try

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Speaker 1: to put forth the winning record in the final twelve

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Speaker 1: games of the year. That's why two and two is

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Speaker 1: always a critical number after four games. So I can't

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Speaker 1: agree with you more one in three and oh and four?

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, can you come back from that? You can.

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Speaker 1: The mathematics say it's possible. But is that a desirable

497
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Speaker 1: situation for a team that's trying to grow and improve?

498
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Speaker 1: Absolutely not, especially with the way the rest of the

499
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Speaker 1: schedule looks. So I'm with you there. September is critical

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Speaker 1: for this ball club. I agree with Peter. All right.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make one quick bold prediction. Now. If I

502
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Speaker 1: had to do this logically, I would say, Daniel Jones

503
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Speaker 1: is going to be starting by week seven, October twenty

504
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Speaker 1: against the Cardinals at home. But I'm gonna make it bold.

505
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is going to be starting by week four

506
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Speaker 1: against the Skins against Haskins. Have a great weekend, guys,

507
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: keep up the great job, Take care, appreciate that's Don

508
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Speaker 1: in Texas. I write this down, make sure I get

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Speaker 1: it Don in Texas. D j start, he said, week

510
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Speaker 1: four versus Redskins a week three, week four, Yeah, he should,

511
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Speaker 1: we should, which of course doesn't jive, right, I mean,

512
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Speaker 1: because he was just seeing our schedules off the wall.

513
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Speaker 1: Now they're taking my note pads, are taking our schedules. Here,

514
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Speaker 1: here's the problem. He was just saying a minute ago

515
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Speaker 1: how he wants to avoid a disastrous start in September.

516
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Speaker 1: But now he's cut Daniel Jones starting a week four,

517
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Speaker 1: which means it's in a horrible start. Well, he said

518
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Speaker 1: he wants to avoid it. Maybe he doesn't think they

519
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: are going to avoid it. Why was taking our schedules

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Speaker 1: off the I don't know. Yeah, here, I got, I

521
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 1: got it on my I got on my computer. It's

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Speaker 1: week four. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's not the problem with

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Speaker 1: what he said. The problem is it's a contradiction. He's

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Speaker 1: saying what he wants and what he thinks is going

525
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Speaker 1: to happen. Those are two different right, those are two

526
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Speaker 1: different points. You know what I mean? Well, and let

527
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 1: me tell you something. Uh even at owen three, Daniel

528
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Speaker 1: Jones is not starting in week four. It's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Owen three, Daniel Jones is not getting the start in

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Speaker 1: week four unless Eli is hurt or has performed absolutely

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Speaker 1: off the cliff horrible. Correct. I agree with you and

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Speaker 1: I don't see that happening. So you want to talk

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Speaker 1: about being a bold prediction. Yeah, that's a really bold

534
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: prediction because I don't think it's got a prayer in

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Speaker 1: the world of happening. That's why it's bold. It was

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Speaker 1: smart four or five on. Don's one of our better calls.

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Speaker 1: He's he's a good man. Thanks for calling down, Lennon, Columbia.

538
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Speaker 1: Merlan wants to talk about the game tonight. Hey lenn Hey, guys,

539
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Speaker 1: how doing doing great line? What's up? Len? You're coming out?

540
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: You know? Um, well make the change. It is really

541
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: kind of a critical decision. I'm I'm talking about the

542
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: transition now from from Eli to Daniel. It's guys, it's

543
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: not gonna happen at home the first game for the

544
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Speaker 1: first time. It's not going to happen their home. It's

545
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Speaker 1: just not on the sidelines. N I don't think that matters.

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. I don't think that

547
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Speaker 1: matters a lick. It doesn't. It doesn't and and and

548
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: let let me let me add one other thing before

549
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Speaker 1: you go any further. Honestly, there is absolutely no concrete

550
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Speaker 1: plan that anybody in this building has of making that transition.

551
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Speaker 1: There are philosophical generalities that we have discussed many times

552
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Speaker 1: as to what types of circumstances would have to be

553
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: in place for them to seriously consider the move. But

554
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: to suggest that, Okay, concrete it's gonna be on the road,

555
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: or it's gonna be against the division foe, or it's

556
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Speaker 1: gonna be coming out after the bye, that would be

557
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: absolutely erroneous. I don't believe there is any concrete fact

558
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 1: that has been discussed as to when or how this

559
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: is going to happen, other than John Marras saying, Hey,

560
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, if I get my druthers and

561
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: I get what I want, ELI has a great season,

562
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Speaker 1: we have a great season, and Daniel Jones never sees

563
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: the field and hallelujah. I'm on board with that, man. Okay, um,

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Speaker 1: I heard both of you. I disagree with you. Well,

565
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: it isn't going to get any We're not going to

566
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: get anywhere with that. But I just I just want

567
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: to say I disagree with Okay, so then you're gonna

568
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: be wrong. That's okay, Okay, Yeah, Paul, Paul. Last week

569
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Speaker 1: when uh, you know, you know, we had the rain

570
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: and the lightning and the network, you know, changed the

571
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: game at ten o'clock to Arizona and so forth, scrambling around,

572
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: scrambling around that I was having trouble with my game

573
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: past connection. Oh man low and behold, lo and behold.

574
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: I went to the fan and and and and I

575
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: this voice, and it's and it's and it's Paul did

576
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: a nice job. Thank you, pretty good. I very much

577
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. And and it's been a tremendous honor and

578
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: privilege for me to to get the four preseason radio

579
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: play by plays. And the fan of course, John, you

580
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: know this from working there before you came to the Giants.

581
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: We're talking about what thirty eight states and half Accountada

582
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: at nighttime with that AM signal, So Giants fans know,

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Speaker 1: and you know, thank you, Paul. Just for just the second,

584
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Speaker 1: you know, I flashed back, just the second I thought

585
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: I was listening to the Marty Glickman with you, you know,

586
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: the Giants, the Giants moving left to right. Oh my goodness,

587
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: flashback to the Marty. You're very you're very kind. I

588
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 1: would I would never put my my name in the

589
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: same sentence as Marty Glickman. But it's still very nice

590
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: to hear the compliment, thank you so much. I know,

591
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,239
Speaker 1: I know now the only other thing you know are

592
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: a good friend, a good friends showing. We gotta get

593
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: him integrated a little more. We gotta we've gotta get

594
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: we gotta get shown talking a little more. And I

595
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: think he'll be I think he'll be great. He'll be great.

596
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: But it was a lot of fun. Fault to hear.

597
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: You appreciate your question on the you know, when will

598
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: you worry about you know, if we don't see a

599
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: pass rush, will be concerned by the end of preseason. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it the first four games. Um. If

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00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: I don't see it and those begin to see some

602
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: semblance of it in those first four games, Um, you know,

603
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm starting to look through the draft sides. I'm

604
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: looking for edge rushers, you know. Um, but I'm going

605
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 1: to give him the first four on that. Let me

606
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: let me let me ask you a question about x Man. Um.

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Speaker 1: I know we played a lot last week, John, I

608
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Speaker 1: think you threw out some numbers about he may have

609
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Speaker 1: played the most A Yeah, what was he coming out

610
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Speaker 1: of the same position? Guys? I mean, was he was

611
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Speaker 1: he edge rushing? Um? I guess would be from the

612
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Speaker 1: left side. Did he get any did he get his

613
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: hand in the dirt at all? Yeah? He is. He

614
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: has primarily lyn been rushing over the right tackle, so

615
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: left defensive end, and I believe the Giants were in

616
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Speaker 1: nickel for nearly that entire game. So yes, hand wasn't

617
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: the dirt on most of those snaps? Okay, okay, of course,

618
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's where he played in college, and

619
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: mostly he's had within the dirt. And you know, I

620
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: hate to see these guys make too much of a transition.

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Speaker 1: If they did something well in college that caused us

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Speaker 1: to draft him, let's see how they do it in

623
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Speaker 1: the pros, you know. Uh, but um, I think he

624
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's got some potential and I

625
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: hope it, Um, you know, I hope it works out.

626
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: It's listen, game day exciting, Uh, you know, another opportunity

627
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: for ninety guys to show off their abilities and skills

628
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: so that we won't see you all ninety. Obviously, I'm

629
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: a little concerned about Ogal Tree's injury. Can you shed

630
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: any line? I mean calf when I hear calf. There's

631
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: been so many times in the past where the calf

632
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's twelve weeks later. Yeah. The

633
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: indication we've gone is that you should not be very

634
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: concerned about he should be fine. Okay, good. Um. I'm watching,

635
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of guys, and all of a sudden,

636
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: I said to myself, you know, I got to get

637
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: a look at this guy Slate at right tackle. People

638
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: are beginning to tell talk about him. Will just getting

639
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: less and less time pay attention to slaves. So that's

640
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: one place I'm I'm looking tonight. I want to see

641
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: how he plays. Um, and I'm looking at g I

642
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: hope Gates can get back inside. I think he's got

643
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: a shot inside. I'm not sure that he can play

644
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL. I mean, he's out there for

645
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: a reason. I know we've got some injuries, can't play

646
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: some other guys, you know that kind of thing. But

647
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: I hope he can get back inside and show up

648
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: from you know, show up some skills to that position. Um, John,

649
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: I want to differ with you on one thing. Yesterday,

650
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: finish up. We gotta finish up. Okay, okay, keep keep

651
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: the six defensive lineman. I think we're gonna keep seven.

652
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: I want to hang onto that slating guy Um. I

653
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: know Jenkins had a good first game last week, but

654
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: Layton is a power, power player and I'm looking for

655
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: him to make that roster. Thank you, let's go John,

656
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: Let's go johnants appreciate it. Thanks good here from you.

657
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: A couple of things. The reason I have Jenkins a

658
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 1: little bit higher than Slatin is that Jenkins is more

659
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: of a space eater. If you want to back up

660
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: nose tackle and they don't want to use Dexter Lawrence

661
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: as a nose tap, they need somebody else to play

662
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: that role. Which is why I gravitated more towards Slayton

663
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: than I did to rather gravitated more towards Jenkins, I

664
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: did towards Slayton, who to me is more of a

665
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: three technique quicker type of guy um in terms of

666
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman. As much as it pumps up Paul's ego,

667
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: I'll say it anyway, I think Gates is a really

668
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: good person, the person to watch this week. They've used

669
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: him guard, they used him to tackle. He's been on

670
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: the left side, the right side, and that's the type

671
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: of versatility you're looking for out of a backup player.

672
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: So I think he's someone to watch. Chad Wheelers should

673
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: be back this week. He practiced this week dealing with

674
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: the back. I think his ankle guard rolled a little

675
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: bit over over the course of the week too, But

676
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: he should be in there getting some more snaps. Watch him.

677
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: He'll be competing for that backup swing tackle spot. And

678
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: then of course he mentioned Chad Slave has been getting

679
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: some opportunities over at right tackle as well. Yeah, that

680
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: third tackle is is a point of contention right now

681
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: because Wheeler had the back thing before we had the

682
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: ankle that you mentioned, and so he hasn't been able

683
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: to do a lot over the course of the last

684
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And even when he got back with

685
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: the back injury, he didn't he still look still looks

686
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: stiff to me. That that's the word I'll use. He

687
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: still looked a little stiff. Is that fair? Yeah? And

688
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: the problem there is that he worked really hard in

689
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: the off season. I saw him here a lot, you know,

690
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: he was he did work very hard. And you know,

691
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: I always tell people, I give guys credit when they

692
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: really bust their buns in the off season because the

693
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: effort that you put in gives you a better chance

694
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: to actually improve on the field. It's not automatic, it

695
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: doesn't correlate necessarily, but at least he gives you a

696
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: better chance. And he worked his butt off, and to

697
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: this point on the field, I haven't seen the results

698
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: that equate to the amount of effort that he put in.

699
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: I know Dick Gates is one of your guys. Have

700
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: you talked to him a lot? Are you tight with him?

701
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: I have talked to him. Okay, Well, can you pass

702
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: on some advice from me? Okay? Off belly shirts for

703
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: offensive linem that's not pretty, not the best look what

704
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: you're seeing. And let's look any offensive lineman that would

705
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: that would wear the belly shirt. It'd be a bad look.

706
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: It's just his choice to go with the belly shirt.

707
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: Probably not what you're looking for. He's over three hundred

708
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: pounds and he's very strong. Yeah, so get a double

709
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: XL or whatever. No, no, no, no, no, no no.

710
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: What I'm getting at here is that I'm not going

711
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: to give him any fashion advice for fear of being squashed. Okay,

712
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: that's also the of the second reason I wanted you

713
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: to try to give the advice. Maybe I could get

714
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: you squashed. Thank you to four or five one three.

715
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: It's not a great look, though I didn't say it

716
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: was j D. And j D wants to talk about

717
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: the Giants offensive line. What's up? JA? That was John

718
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: who said that. Nick Schmelke says it's not a great

719
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: look at hell, that was Lance medal. By the way,

720
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: just f y I, j D. Go ahead, I'm not actually,

721
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: I actually got a both predictions for you guys. It's

722
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: not about the offensive lineman. But barring any injury, I

723
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: think Evan Ingram will have a d catches for yards.

724
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: Where are you going from? J D? Where are you

725
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: going from? I want to make sure I write down

726
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: your town on the ship St. James Gott. Thank you? Okay,

727
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: I like that. E eighty catches yards. Yeah. Look, I

728
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: know I'm higher on Evan this year than Paul is.

729
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: I think he's much more essential to what they do.

730
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: I know Paul's high in him, but I think he's

731
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: really a key to the whole season, a really big key.

732
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: If he can pull that off, that's great. I think

733
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: that's a lot of yards per catch. I mean, eighty

734
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: catches with twelve hundred yards. I'll do my quick Matthew.

735
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: I believe that's fifteen yards per catch. That's a lot

736
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: for a tight end, and I think it's gonna be

737
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: a downfield for threat. The fifteen yards per catch for

738
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: a tight end, that might be a little bit high.

739
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: If it was eighty catches for a thousand yards, I

740
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 1: think that's a little bit more realistic. So you gotta

741
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: remember a lot of the problem here for me is

742
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna make Barkley a much bigger part of

743
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: the vertical passing game than I think John is. And

744
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: I've already gone on record I want to use both,

745
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: by the way, I want to use both. Going at you,

746
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rely a little more on Barkley though that

747
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: I think more other than other people are saying, which

748
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: is why yesterday when I said he's gonna be a

749
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: thousand thousand guy, and I know, I know there was

750
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: some people who think I'm crazy with that, Others who

751
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: think it's plausible. I think you thought it was. PA's

752
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: absolutely plausible. That's not crazy. But if Barkley is getting

753
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: a thousand yards, receiving chances are Ingram won't how many

754
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: receiving yards that even last year, eight hundred seven fifty.

755
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: I think, oh, that's a big chump, big jump because

756
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: it was it was plus rushing seven fifty plus receiving.

757
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: Because he was over two thousands, you must think he's

758
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: how he has to in order to get to a thousand,

759
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to catch ninety balls. Then, oh, I

760
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: think he'll easily catch eighty. But he's gonna make a

761
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: bunch of bigger plays downfield, which you'll add up the

762
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: yardage anyway. Yeah, I was thinking with the departure of O. B. J. H.

763
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: He would just be so key to the offense and

764
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: with this new player action and you know, using all

765
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: these players, I think he could be a huge into

766
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: a rule awesome not absolutely, no argument, appreciate, thank you,

767
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,479
Speaker 1: that's stuff. Just remember John, the one thing that that's

768
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: key to this entire passing attack is that in theory,

769
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: we believe Elie is going to have a lot more

770
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: time to throw the ball, which means he doesn't have

771
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: to throw eight yards slants anymore and check downs to

772
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: Kan right, So Kwan is gonna have time to run

773
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 1: twenty yards down field and and and catch that pass

774
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: on the sideline. Ingram is gonna have time to run

775
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: twenty five yards down field to go catch a pass

776
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: on the scene. Now for the second straight day, I

777
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: get to go to this next caller right after a

778
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: very very brief call, and I hope he once again

779
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: learns his lesson about this losing his mind. I am

780
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: happy Charlie still gets in pained by his own open Charlie,

781
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: how are you, hey, guys, how are you doing? Hello? Charlie? Hey, look, hey,

782
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: do you've seen the news and I sent you a

783
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: tweet about Clowney? They want to trade him now. He

784
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: would be perfect in our system in the defense. You'd

785
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: have Clowney, he'd be the Chandler Jones, and then you've

786
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: got He'd be Batman and Robin would be Golden and

787
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: would be back where we should be. We'd have a

788
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: pass rusher. Would changed the whole dynamics of the defense,

789
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: and we d J should try to go after him.

790
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: We've got tons of money next year. We can pay

791
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: him and it would make a big difference in You

792
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: go first, All right, I'm just gonna I'm gonna ask

793
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: you a very simple question. Sure, what do you want

794
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: to give up for him? They're not going to ship

795
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: him for peanuts. It sounds like they'd be willing to

796
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: take it too. Yeah, I'd give him a two, and

797
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: I'd give him Chad Wheeler to go along with it,

798
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: because they need an offensive task. The report I saw

799
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: is that they're willing to be realistic in the return

800
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: they're going to get for him. And I read that

801
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: is that they will not require a number one pick.

802
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm reading that incorrectly, That's how I read it.

803
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if they settle for a two. Well,

804
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: that's what the Chiefs got for their pass rusher, right, Yeah,

805
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: they're not going to get a one. They don't. They

806
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: want to get rid of this guy. And Charlie, here's

807
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: the thing, Charlie, hold on, but even even if it's

808
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: just a two, okay, one, you gotta find about twelve

809
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: million dollars of salary cap space this year to fit

810
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: him under your cap and they don't have it. That's

811
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: that's number one. They can play around. They can restruct

812
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: your contracts gets sticky. That gets sticky. That's a lot

813
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: of money to do the second part of this trolley.

814
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: And you say, and you say it all the time,

815
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: we can do it, Charlie, And you said they have

816
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: plenty of money to sign him next year. You're right,

817
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna read a list for you from

818
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: our buddy Warren Sharp, who was on our show every

819
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: year previewing the football season. Here we go. Two thousand

820
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: eighteen Jadeveon Clowney knee surgery, lower back injury, two thousand seventeen,

821
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: knee surgery, two thousand sixteen, elbow sprain, two thousand and fifteen,

822
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: ankle sprain, lower back injury, Lisz frank sprain, two thousand fourteen,

823
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: knee surgery, microfracture surgery, sports hernia surgery. That's the guy

824
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: you want to give forty million dollars guaranteed to the

825
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: next off season. How many how many games did he

826
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: play last year? I can tell you how many games

827
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: he's played each year in his career. Let me bring

828
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: it off. Holding on one Charlie, just remember something, Just

829
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: remember one thing. And I don't disagree with you about

830
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: the value of the player. When he's healthy and he's

831
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: on the field, I don't think anybody would would fight

832
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: on He's never had double sacks, Okay, not one citizen career.

833
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: He's a quality player though, he's a quality player. But Charlie,

834
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, when you combine the money issue. I don't

835
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: know if he's the number one though he could be well,

836
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: but but he hasn't proven when the hell is that

837
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: going to happen. He's been the year five years already. Yeah,

838
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: here's the thing, Charlie. When you combine the money that

839
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: it's going to require, the trade value that they're going

840
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: to demand, and I don't think it's just gonna wind

841
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: up being a number two. I think it's gonna be more.

842
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: And that has to be like a two and a

843
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: three something like that. And then on top of that,

844
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: as John just alluded to, you've got to deal with

845
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: an injury history that doesn't exactly make you sleep well

846
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 1: at night. Yeah. I know I'm a little concerned about.

847
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: But last year he played I think he played sixteen

848
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: games sixteen and seventeen fourteen and twenty sixteen, thirteen and

849
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen fourteen. See, it's getting better as you go,

850
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: so this year is going to be good. That's a

851
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: good trajectory going that way. So the other way, I

852
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: would just be very cautious about loading up a lot

853
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: of money this guy. Nobody's supposed to be in the

854
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 1: Hunt brands. They don't have a Washington in Philadelphi. Troy

855
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: Philly is in very difficult cap straights right now. I

856
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: can't imagine they're going to figure out a way to

857
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: fit him under the cap unless they're sending another player

858
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: back to Houston that also has a high cap hit,

859
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: because right now, the Eagles next year over the cap.

860
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: They're over the cap next year already. They need a

861
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: left tackle, that's what they need. So I mean, you know, Washington,

862
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: give Trent Williams and trade, you know, just one, give

863
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: him Trent that that that would actually be I think

864
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: that's actually a pretty darn good trade for both teams,

865
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because that doesn't sound like

866
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: Trent Williams is going to play this year. He seems

867
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: pretty adamant about it, and you're right, and you're right,

868
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: Houston could use Trent. You know what, Charlie, that might

869
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: be the best idea you've ever had calling up the show.

870
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: Are you okay? That's that's actually that's that's not a

871
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: terrible trade football team. Do you have like a fever

872
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: or something? Do you think that's a portrait? No, the

873
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: fact that you're complimenting Charlie well, well, once in a

874
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: plum when he actually has a decent idea. I'll go

875
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: to credit for it. Charlie. Let me ask you a

876
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: different question, okay, And I appreciate the fact that you

877
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: do want to help the Giants out this year because

878
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: they'd like to make some Hey, I get that. Well,

879
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: what if I just said to you, Okay, what if

880
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: Houston decides that he's going to play through the season

881
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: and he decides, he comes to terms and they do

882
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: the whole tag thing, and he winds up playing this year,

883
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: and at the end of the season, he becomes an

884
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: undrestricted free agent and you could just sign him for

885
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: whatever contract it takes next spring. Would you rather have

886
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: him then going into two thousand twenty, maybe after he

887
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: proves in two thousand nineteen that he can play sixteen

888
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: games and get you double digit sacks. No, I'd rather

889
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: have him now because it's might the elis last year,

890
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: and I want to have the best players on this

891
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: team so we can go to the playoffs and make

892
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: a run. And that's fair, And that's why I asked

893
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: you the question. Yeah, okay, okay, guys, thank you, Take care. Charlie,

894
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: you too appreciate the call to nine four five one three.

895
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to see if I can find any rumors

896
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: about what they're asking for in terms of compensation. I'll

897
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: take a look as we get to our next caller,

898
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: which is great down in Atlantic, Greg. What's up? What's up? Greg?

899
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: And then I'm calling for a couple of reasons. First

900
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: of all, I agree with Charlie. I agree with Charlie

901
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: Um string me the bass rusher. Your baby climbing is

902
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: out of there, and we probably can't get him for

903
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: a second round pick. And we're trying to make moves

904
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: us keeping Eli Man and at the end of this year,

905
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: and they're saying we're atlantically, we're trying to win, so

906
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: we're trying to win. I agree that we do this

907
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: another pass rusher. Also, I also wanted to say a lot,

908
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: a lot of things are not going to be happy

909
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: without saying this youth guard may not be happy. I'm

910
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: a huge Ei Faid. That's the only jersey I have.

911
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: But in my mind and in all famous Elie Man

912
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: in his career is nearest inn and uh Um Stephen

913
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: a Smith. They had Victor Cruise one first take and

914
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: Stephen's you know, uh was talking to Victor Cruz and

915
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: he if you will ever look at that clip to me, Stephen,

916
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: if his last name was not Navy. In the way

917
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: that our order back was performing the last couple of years,

918
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: we do to name changes. It's like it's like we're

919
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: showing the favorite and because we appreciate what he did

920
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,959
Speaker 1: for us, almost I did that. But the business, well,

921
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: you can't, you can't win that. He has to put

922
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: the best great great great great great, real quick great,

923
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: real quick. I do want, I do want to come

924
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 1: back at you real quick on what you just said.

925
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: If you're looking at his numbers in a vacuum and

926
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 1: that's all you're looking at, I understand where you're coming

927
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: from if you watch the games. Though. They're not saying

928
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: we're keeping him because of what he did in two

929
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: thousand eleven, or we're keeping him because his last name

930
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: is Manning, or keeping him busies holding all these Giants records.

931
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: That's not why he lies the starter this year. They

932
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: believe that he will play better if the situation and

933
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: around him is better, like a better offensive line. We'll

934
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: see if they're right. If they are, that's why they're

935
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: keeping him around. They're not keeping them around just because

936
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: of what he did five or six years ago. They

937
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: believe he's still that caliber of player if the circumstances

938
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: around him are correct, and I think the offensive line

939
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: is better, and obviously not having Golden Tad is going

940
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: to hurt. But we'll see if that's the case, and

941
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: if it's not the case, then we're gonna see Daniel

942
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: Jones sooner than people think. I agree, But I say

943
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: what I've said, I grow up it is. I'm only saying.

944
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is if you bring the union, you're

945
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: talking about reboing a chity and your quarter a contract,

946
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: but you letting go all the other kids. It's just

947
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: my head like we let go two years ago and

948
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm after and production, but I don't an organization in

949
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: part take care about Thank you. I appreciate the call. Um.

950
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say about that. I think I understand

951
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: where you're coming from. And we'll see how he plays

952
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: this year. Obviously, if he plays really poorly, we're good.

953
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: That's that's part of the equation point. I've talked about

954
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: a lot giant swinging and Eli Manning playing poorly. If

955
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: that happens, then we're gonna see Daniel Jones. Sutent that

956
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: people think, but I think, generally from a purely philosophical standpoint,

957
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: Pat Charmer and Dave Gentleman believe there is value to

958
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and his future development to not having to

959
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: play right away. They think it helps him not being

960
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: out there game one year one, to be Eli Sponge, yes,

961
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: and just learning and figuring things out. They think there's

962
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: They're not doing it solely because of Eli Manning. I

963
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: think no matter who their first round pick is was

964
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: at quarterback, that's what their thought was going to be.

965
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: It's valuable to this player to watch for a while

966
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: before being thrown into the fire. That's how I think

967
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: they view it. That's kind of what they've said before

968
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: without actually saying it, and that's how I look at it.

969
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any other way to look at it.

970
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: I want to go to Over the Cap for just

971
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: a second, John to get to review the clowney situation.

972
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: Over the Cap does a very good job at the

973
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: business angle of the finances and contracts and trade value, etcetera, etcetera.

974
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: This just came out a couple of days ago, and

975
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: it's and it's a real and I should point out

976
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: by the way that they would get a third round

977
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: compensatory pick for him next year, So maybe trading him

978
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: for two wouldn't make a whole lot of sense when

979
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: you think about it. Well, that's what I was going

980
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: to get you, because we're talking about how they handled

981
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: this and what value they would get depending upon if

982
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: they do something an hour or later. Uh, he claims.

983
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: Over the cap claims Clowney's value under normal circumstances should

984
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: false somewhere between Khalil Mack's multi first round trade and

985
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: second rounder for Ford with the Chiefs, which you talked

986
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: about reference. So he says, probably something like a first

987
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: round pick and a mid round selection or a player

988
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: thrown into the trade would be more like what the

989
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: Texans should be looking for now. If they are in

990
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: crisis mode, he says, maybe the best they're going to

991
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: be able to do is a second round pick if

992
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: they're in that mode. I don't know that they're there yet.

993
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: He also says, and this is very interesting. He says

994
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: he thinks the Texans best option is to just reset

995
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: and wait till next year, because he says if tagged

996
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: next year, the franchise compensation falls from two first round

997
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,959
Speaker 1: picks to a first and a third rounder. He says

998
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: that is reasonable enough that it would not surprise if

999
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: another team signed Clowney and free agency under those terms

1000
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: for a one in a three. At the very least,

1001
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: they would be able to get a first round pick

1002
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: for him with the Texans, given that he would sign

1003
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: a long term deal with new team as soon as

1004
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: a deal was executed with that other team. So right now,

1005
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: to me, giving him up for a two is very unlikely.

1006
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: They got to be so desperate that they just want

1007
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: to wash their hands in this guy. I think the

1008
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: player for player trade if they can work that out

1009
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: with somebody, And I think that Trent Williams thing does

1010
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: actually make sense. If the Redskins are convinced he's not

1011
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: going to play for them this year, I think that

1012
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: makes a certain mata sense. I believe it's John McClain

1013
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: of the Houston Chronicle, who's a Hall of Fame footballs

1014
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: terrific John, He's awesome. He's already said that they're not

1015
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: interested in the deal for Trent. Did he did he

1016
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: say that? Already said that? Interesting to me? It makes

1017
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: sense because the Texans, look, I think DeShawn Watson is

1018
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: an excellent quarterback. And that poor kid got the you

1019
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: know what, beat Adam last year because they have no

1020
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: offensive tackles. Ask David Carr what that's about exactly. Let's

1021
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,959
Speaker 1: go to John and Maine. We'll take two more calls

1022
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: before we wrap it up. John, what's up? Hello? John? Paul? Hi? Hello.

1023
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: I'd like to make a bold predictions record being twelve

1024
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: and four. Baby. That's bold, now, like you're a commercial

1025
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: I think a math major. I'll tell you how I

1026
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: came up to this. First of all, we started last year.

1027
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: The half of last year. Last half was four and

1028
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: four when we had a line in front of the line.

1029
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: So extrapolating that to this year, I'm starting at eight

1030
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: and eight because now you then add a better offensive

1031
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 1: line you guys have spoken about, and I think because

1032
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: of that and because our receivers have so much experience

1033
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: now in the system instead of just being thrown out

1034
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: there the last half of the year, I think that's

1035
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: about one or two game improvement. John, I love you.

1036
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: I knew you would object know that, John, John, and

1037
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: John I I love you, and you know I was

1038
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 1: in favor of the back of trade. But you can't

1039
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: say the wide receiver position got better by two wins. Well,

1040
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 1: let's let's not go nuts. Yeah, I don't see the math.

1041
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: There's to be honest with you. No, I think with

1042
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: the offensive line, you'll get more time and those guys

1043
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: will be able to get open. And that's fine. I

1044
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: think that's fine. I think on the whole, what you

1045
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: could say is that the overall passing game production could

1046
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: could be equal to what it was last year, and

1047
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: even if they turn out to be with the sum

1048
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: of the parts, you know, being a little bit greater

1049
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: than it was. To say it's a two game differences

1050
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: a lot, that's just too much. Now, if you if

1051
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 1: you put in the offensive line into that mixed together,

1052
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 1: then we can have a different conversation. But yeah, okay,

1053
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: that's fair. Well, because also I think, you know, if

1054
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: they get their run blocking, if they get their run

1055
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: blocking squared away, then it's not unthinkable to think that

1056
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: this offense is a top ten offense. That's not unthinkable. Well,

1057
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: remember they were six in the league at twenty seven

1058
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: point four points per game the last eight teams. I understand,

1059
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: which is why it's not unthinkable that they could be

1060
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: a top ten offense. I don't think that's crazy. Okay.

1061
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: The other thing, I think the defense is better because

1062
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: we picked up another few other pickups, like to Brill Peppers,

1063
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: so I think they got it anyway, though, you picked

1064
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 1: up Jibril Peppers, but you lost Landon Collins and Vernon

1065
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: and lost the Vernon and you lost Snacks Harrison, who

1066
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: was there for the first six games last year, so

1067
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,479
Speaker 1: you had significant losses there too. See here's the here's

1068
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: the problem with your equation, John, Even if I buy,

1069
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: and by the way, you're also you also, the first

1070
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: mistake was your math. You started ain't eight. If you

1071
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: want to get pared to last year's team, you started

1072
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: five and eleven. You don't start eight in eight. But

1073
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: here's what I want to tell you, John about the defense.

1074
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: Let's just say for argument's sake, that there is more

1075
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: pure talent on the Giant starting defensive eleven than there

1076
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: was last year. If you want to make that assumption,

1077
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: we gotta go, John, thanks to the If you want

1078
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: to make that assumption, I won't fight you on it.

1079
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: But here's the here's the big issue. That talent is

1080
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: still more potential right now than it is proven. It

1081
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: will take time to develop and to mesh. You have

1082
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: to account for a built in learning curve that will

1083
00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 1: produce numerous mistakes and may cost you. You have it

1084
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: would account for that. You can't just automatically think that

1085
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: this defense is going to click and play its best

1086
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: football in week one. They will be a better defense

1087
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: in week eight than they will be in week one. John,

1088
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: I think we believe the potential is there for that.

1089
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: I agree with your thesis. So therefore John's calculations, while

1090
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: pleasant to hear, I I do believe he's not taking

1091
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: all of the potential negatives into his math. And you

1092
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: can't just erase the first half last or either that

1093
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: can't you can't, And I'm and I'm the one who

1094
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: does believe that once they got things settled, that was

1095
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: more indicative of what the team was. But I agree

1096
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: with that. Again, if you're going to admit to that,

1097
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: you have to put the same math and the same

1098
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: equation onto this year and say the Giants will be

1099
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: a different team in the end of October than they

1100
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: are in September. Nick in the meadow Lands, He'll wrap

1101
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: us up today. Hey, Nick, Hello John, how are you doing? Nick?

1102
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: How's fatherhood? Sir? It's a lot of work, Nick, But

1103
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: it's awesome. Tell me about it. How you doing? My friends?

1104
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: All good? Thanks for calling? Alright, man, I got one

1105
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: question to you, Paul, because I know you'll probably know this.

1106
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: How many sacks did LT have his rookie year in

1107
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 1: his second year? Since they weren't not well, they didn't

1108
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: count as nine because it was pre Elias, you know.

1109
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: So that's why technically to be a nine unofficially his

1110
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: rookie Michael Michael Strahan, who is giving credit to tying

1111
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: LT for the Giants career sack record. I hate to

1112
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: say it, but it's not really true because Lawrence had

1113
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: that rookie season that nobody counts for I. I don't

1114
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: like that. Michael understands it, and I understand it. But

1115
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: the truth that about her is Lawrence Taylor played in one.

1116
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: He was an impact player who helped get the Giants

1117
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. To so discount that season is criminal

1118
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: to me. So I will do appalled me the first

1119
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: two seasons. First on his first season, one season as

1120
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: a rookie, that's correct. That is the season that Jill

1121
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: has last year. B J Hill with five and a

1122
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: half last year, as one of our coworkers, has described

1123
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: being the Giants rookie record. Well, I immediately said, well, yeah,

1124
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: but you weren't around for Lawrence Taylor and I was,

1125
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: and I know what Lawrence had in his rookie season,

1126
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: And as far as I'm concerned, that's the record. And

1127
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: Alias can go smoke a pipe. That's because yes it is. Yes. Okay,

1128
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: So I don't like making both predictions that it's feel

1129
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: like it's you know, when I do things like this.

1130
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say one little thing, you know, and

1131
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: you ain't seen, but six snaps that he was in

1132
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: I think text to Lawrence is going to have six

1133
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: sacks this year. Okay, So dexter Lawrence will have more

1134
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: sacks than I think. You know, He's going to do

1135
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: some things. But anyway, I got a few things to

1136
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: say about, you know, like especially with what's going on

1137
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: with the UI. Yeah, be quick not to too bad

1138
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: that Jerry Rees couldn't do this. He tried, he just failed.

1139
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: But Gettleman has addressed it right away. This line looks

1140
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: like a line. This is what Eli needs. He can

1141
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: make his reads. He can look at where the best

1142
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: receiver this open is that what it's going to do

1143
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: the best thing, especially with play action. So I mean

1144
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: with people around, I mean, I'm getting tired of hearing

1145
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: about it. I'm excited to see Jones. I mean it's

1146
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: a little small sample, but you know what, tonight, I'm

1147
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: going to be excited the next you know, whenever I

1148
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: do see him. But Eli's under contract. You really think

1149
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: that they're going to bench the guys because you want

1150
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: to see Daniel Jones. This is your opportunity to see

1151
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. I'm afraid to say people because listen to

1152
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: these two guys and everybody else that's on this show.

1153
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: They know what they're talking about. The only way that

1154
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: Eli is not going to play is if he gets hurt,

1155
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: and if he does horribly. And we're talking, you know,

1156
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: almost close to the bye week, and Nick I was

1157
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: the one. I was the one other thing in there.

1158
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: If at the end of the year, if they're mathematically limitated,

1159
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: I think you could see Daniel Joe exactly. Or if

1160
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: you say they're blowing somebody, you know what I mean.

1161
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: But but the way that it's so, and I hope

1162
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: that I'm right. You know, we're fans, Come on, this

1163
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: is this is what he needs. That's what type of

1164
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: quarterback he is. I'm tired of hearing people say, oh,

1165
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: he can't move around, he can't do this. Listen, he

1166
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: doesn't have to move around if they can block form, Nick,

1167
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: we gotta go back there, I hope. And I know

1168
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: Sherman's probably has his own little routes that he's gonna run.

1169
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: Put him out there. You know, I heard somebody talking

1170
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: about talent before. How can they if the team has

1171
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: talent when you haven't seen him playing a real game yet.

1172
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: And what talent is there on a team? Well, you

1173
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: got eu, I you got sake Kun, you got Shepherd,

1174
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: you got Ingram. Who else do you have? Their golden

1175
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: tate when he plays? And I think Laddimer, I'm I'm

1176
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: a big fan of Laddermer. I think all these receivers

1177
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: are gonna they're gonna show something. But Ladimer, I'm really

1178
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm gunning for him, you know what I mean? Alright,

1179
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: can appreciate the call, buddy, we gotta run. We'll just

1180
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: finish with this one comment. And Nick is a great fan.

1181
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: I really enjoy when he when he calls because he's

1182
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: a good old time guy and and and really appreciates

1183
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: the franchise. But Nick, I'm gonna make it really simple

1184
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: for you. Let's just cut it right down to the

1185
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: bear wood. Okay, if you are a Giants fan, Okay,

1186
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: there's only one way, one way to go through this season,

1187
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: and that is hope that the team does well. And

1188
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: for that to happen, Eli Manning is going to have

1189
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: to be a quarterback for sixteen games because starting quarterback. Yes, yes,

1190
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to be the guy. So, so any

1191
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: fans out there who have decided to buy in to

1192
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: the agenda that says Eli's got to go, hold your horses,

1193
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: or maybe you just root for another team, because if

1194
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: you really are he allowed to get benched, that means

1195
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna be in for a long season, and you're

1196
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: gonna be in for a season that's gonna result in

1197
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: a losing record and gives you no chance to make

1198
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:14,959
Speaker 1: the playoffs. It's time for tweets, Giants, the real Frank

1199
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: the Tank at Romo Cops seventy four. Rumor is that

1200
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: la Kwan Treadwell is on the block. Paul, Can you

1201
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: guys do some film review on him and see why

1202
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: he hasn't made an impact? Curious of coach Sherman has

1203
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: any connection with him from his time in Minnesota. While

1204
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: he was there with the Kwan Treadwill in Minnesota and

1205
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: he was there, he has been a first round busted

1206
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: wide receiver. He's big, he hasn't caught the ball consistently enough,

1207
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: and he gets no separation. That's to me the summary

1208
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: of while Lakwan Treadwill hasn't worked out, everything that people

1209
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: hope for him has not come true. He's been terrible

1210
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: and he's that big receiver that you would usually be

1211
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: interested in, but he just, you know, I'm like Scott Squeals.

1212
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: He just does not get enough separation. He doesn't have

1213
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: the quickness, the ability to get in out of breaks.

1214
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: He's just not good enough in that way to to

1215
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: have been an effective benefit wide receiver got and he

1216
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: got passed over by two guys that were a little

1217
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: draft picks and digs and feeling. He's had enough time. Oh,

1218
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: he's got plenty of opportunities and it hasn't happened. All right, guys,

1219
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us today. It's all presented by Coors Light.

1220
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,600
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1221
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: check out the game on television, It's on w NBC

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1224
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1225
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1229
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1230
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1231
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