1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 2: What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ Bucky together. Hey, 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 2: what do you know in person? 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Could you see about it? I mean it's good. Look, 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: it's been a minute since we've been able to kind 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: of get together and do like you and I one 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: on one talking about everything, and we got good stuff 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: talk about. We got the next championship game to this guys, 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: we have a surprise firing Mike Rabell being let go 10 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: from Tennessee Titans. To discuss and it would just talk ball. Yeah, 11 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: always what we like to do. 12 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a lot going on. We can get 13 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: this out of the way quickly. We did a rookie 14 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 2: draft this year. It was a new thing we did. 15 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: We experimented with it, We had fun with There was 16 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: a way to kind of talk about some rookies in 17 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: a different way. So each and every week we drafted 18 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: a quarterback or running back in a pass catcher. We 19 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: kept track of the points that you know, the guy's 20 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: basically used the fantasy points to kind of keep track 21 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: of it, and then we had a numbering system. Long 22 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: story short, I squeaked out a win bucket. Was I 23 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: did us a favorite I had to protect. 24 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, you did the originality of the MTS pot. 25 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you take to the brand. Because Reht came hard, 26 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: Rhet came strong. He've only missed out by one point. 27 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: In fact, if he'd taken Bijon instead of a Chan, 28 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: he'd won this. 29 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: I told you on the podcast that he was overthinking it. 30 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: He was over there. He had his notes and his 31 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: crib notes and his sheets and all this other, all 32 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: these papers rattling around when we were making decisions. And 33 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: he look, he cost himself. 34 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, we would never heard of the end of it 35 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: if Rht would have pulled that off. So I ended 36 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: up sneaking out a win there. But I want to 37 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: get to and we'll get to the championship game and 38 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh and what his future looks. 39 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: Like, all that stuff. 40 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: We got plenty of time, but I want to start, 41 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: man with an hour ago from when we're recording this. 42 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: The tweets came out, the statements came out. Mike Rabel 43 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: done in Tennessee. 44 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, surprising, And look this goes with everything. It happens 45 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: every year we see a surprise dismissal of a coach 46 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: who look a lot of us on this side of 47 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: the screen always believe this guy is a good coach 48 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: and those things. But it happens for me because obviously 49 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: I was there for the season finale Jaguars going to Tennessee. 50 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: Mike be Able did a great job having his team 51 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: ready to play, and you know, it's kind of funny 52 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 1: DJ like NA that he's been dismissed. I will say, 53 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: at the very end of the game, it was surreal 54 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: for a few different things. One Derrick Henry talks to 55 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: got them to Mike talked about all this stuff. He 56 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: had a turn back the clock game. I mean, it 57 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: was vintage Derrick Henry running down The Tennessee Titans played 58 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: like the teams that have been at their best under 59 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: Mike Vabel. Ryan Tannehill played pretty well. And then at 60 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: the end of the game this is called on TV. 61 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: Rabel does this all the time. He always greets his 62 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: team when they're coming into the locker room, but you 63 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: could tell there was a little something extra about him 64 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: and the embraces, the hugs or whatever, almost like you 65 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: knew was the end of an era. I will say 66 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: I have the utmost respect for Mike Rabel because I 67 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: think he's one of the best coaches in football in 68 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: terms of like game management, technical strategies, getting his team 69 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: ready to play. The style of play that they exhibit, 70 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 1: even though it's not popular because they don't throw it 71 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: all over the yard. I think, just a difficult team 72 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: to deal with. He's a good coach. On the market, 73 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: I wonder where he lands. But I think this is 74 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: also a case study in what we call organizational alignment. 75 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: Everybody has to be on the same page and share 76 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: the same vision for how football is played and how 77 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: you build the team. And we've heard Mike Rabel the 78 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: statement that he put out, like when they went to 79 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: New England. He just talked about enjoyment, enjoy first class, organization, 80 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: all those other things. And you just have to make 81 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: sure that when you're building the organization, the football organization, 82 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: everybody is on the same page. Alignment doesn't mean that 83 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: you always agree, but we're aligned in how we feel 84 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: like a championship team should be constructed. And I get 85 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: the sense that obviously the owner didn't feel like the 86 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: alignment was where it needed to be for this team 87 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: to have sustainable success. 88 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: This is and again another topic about this another area 89 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: of this, and we've talked about this before. Can't be 90 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: bad and born, Okay, And we can talk about coach 91 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: Frabile being a great coach, and he's accomplished a lot 92 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: of things playoffs, division titles and appearance in the AFC 93 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: Championship Game, all those things. Buck This year, the Tennessee 94 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: Titans averaged seventeen point nine points a game. Okay, So 95 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: this is the offenses you're hanging out with. This is 96 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 2: the very bottom of the league. You're talking about Carolina, 97 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: New England, the Giants with their mess at quarterback, the 98 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: Jets their mess at quarterback, the Steelers who fired their 99 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, and then the Titans. You go back the 100 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 2: year before it was worse, they average seventeen point five points. 101 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: So two years in a row, you've had an unwatchable 102 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: offensive product. So you know, to me, and you know, 103 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: we don't know all the behind the scenes stuff. Does 104 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: he play well with others? You know, did the comments 105 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: he made in New England ruffles some feathers there in Nashville? 106 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: Who knows? 107 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 2: But I just know, don't give people a reason to 108 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 2: fire you. And when we talk about resources in the 109 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: game today, and you're building a team, you're building a roster, 110 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: and we are. We have an old school mentality. Run 111 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: the ball, defense, We'll get to the national championship game 112 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: in a minute. And how that's tale as old as time. 113 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: But man, and if you're exciting on offense, you buy 114 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: yourself a little more time and a little more leeway 115 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 2: if you have a year where you don't win as much. 116 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 2: But man, we got speed, and we've got explosiveness, and 117 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 2: we've got talent, and it's a good watch. They're a 118 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: tough watch. I think that was part of the equation. Yeah, look, 119 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: I agree they are a tough watch. 120 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: And I would say some of the reasons why they 121 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: are tough watches because the most important position at quarterback, 122 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: Like they haven't been able to get it right. Ryan Tannell, 123 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: he'll play great for them doing a stretch, but then 124 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: as he got older, his play tailed off. And I'll 125 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: be honest, they're young players. To me, don't excite me 126 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: at quarterback. You know, first it was Milieu Willis who 127 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: when he had his opportunity, it looked like the pro 128 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: game overwhelmed him. So then they bring in Josh Dobbs 129 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: at the end of last season, make a little run. 130 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: They play like a winner, go home game against the 131 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: Jaguars to win a division. They fall short, they're out. 132 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: They then draft Will Levis top of the second round, 133 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: young player, exciting. People talked about the passion and the 134 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: fistness and all those things. He has some talent, but 135 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: he's still trying to figure it out. You know, in 136 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: this league, if you don't really nail it at quarterback, 137 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: it puts so much pressure on you to have all 138 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: the other things in place. And so the challenge as 139 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: a coach and as a team builder that if your 140 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: team doesn't have the answer at quarterback, can you have 141 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: enough weapons around the quarterback to make it exciting for them? 142 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: That is the part that you have to getnect with that. 143 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to just read a portion of the 144 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: statement here from Amy Adams Strunk, the owner of the 145 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans. As the NFL continues to innovate and evolve, 146 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: I believe the team's best position for sustained success would 147 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: be those who empower and align in collaborative team across 148 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 2: all football functions. Last year, we began to shift in 149 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: our approach to football leadership and made several changes to 150 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 2: our personnel to advance that plan. As I continue to 151 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 2: assess the state of our team, I write at the 152 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: conclusion that the team would also benefit from the fresh 153 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 2: approach and perspective of a new coaching staff. So what 154 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: are the buzzwords there? Its alignment, it's collaboration, and I 155 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: would use kind of again inferred. You know that that innovative. 156 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: When you think innovative, I don't think of Derrick Henry, 157 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 2: you know, running into the line of scrimmage getting three, 158 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: four or five yards at the time. I think of 159 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: shift's motions. We've got dynamic players down the field, explosive plays, excitement. 160 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: That's me reading into all of that. 161 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think it's I think it's all that 162 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: they have a bunch of different things, and let's be honest, 163 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: they haven't. They haven't nailed it. Like when I looked 164 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: at that team. Yeah, DeAndre Hopkins made plays, but they 165 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: don't have impact players. I will say this, Tuzzi Spears 166 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: looks like he's a fund with player and he should 167 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: be a nice compliment to whatever they do offensively. But 168 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: at wide receiver, they don't have the dynamic juice player 169 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: that we see these electric offenses have and as they 170 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: make a transition, is as Rand Carthin kind of kind 171 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: of puts his stamp on this offense with the sistants 172 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: of whoever the next coach is, It'll be interesting to 173 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: see how they change, because to me, much like your 174 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: time with the Baltimore Ravens identified with the physicality and toughness, 175 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: I always identify the Tennessee Titans with that. Can they 176 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: keep that identity while still being more dynamic and electric 177 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: on offense to go with the physicality and toughness that's 178 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: really been hallmarks of their franchise. Now it'll be interesting 179 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: to see. 180 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people just assume, Hey, let's 181 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: see what happens with Belichick. Does Belichick leave and then 182 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: does Vrabel you know, slide right into that seat? If not, 183 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: I mean, he's going to be an attractive option for 184 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: a lot of teams. There's the openings out there, and 185 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: this is a guy with a winning record who again 186 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: will provide an identity for your team. That's a you know, 187 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: you can have the debate. I think most people, most 188 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: football people would look at it and say was this 189 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 2: a player issue or a coach issue? 190 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: They would say this is a roster issue more so 191 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: than a coaching issue. Absolutely, because I can knock him 192 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to his coaching ability to prowess. You 193 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: just saw it last week. He's a great coach. They 194 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: don't have enough talent, Yeah, so it has to match up. 195 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: The talent has to match up with the coaching, and 196 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: then you have the success. And right now the players 197 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: aren't there to give them an opportunity to succeed, no doubt. 198 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: All Right, we're going to quick break, we come back. 199 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: We're gonna jump into the National Championship game. What we 200 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 2: saw there and what does it mean for the future, 201 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 2: not only in college football, but as it relates to 202 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: the NFL. 203 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: Was that Jim Harbaugh's last game? We'll to talk about it. 204 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: Right for this, all right, Buck, I'll just open it up. 205 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: Thirty four to thirteen. It was a lopsided score, was 206 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 2: not a lopsided game at half, even going into the 207 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: third quarter. It was a one possession game. Felt like 208 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: Washington had a chance to get back into it to score. 209 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: Told a different story though, once this was all said 210 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: and done. It was a pretty thorough domination there, especially 211 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: on the ground by the Michigan Wolf Ring. 212 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, this is fascinating because we always talk about it, 213 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: and you know, when you look at these games and 214 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: you're trying to determine who should be the favorite, who 215 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: should be the winner, styles make fights, and I think 216 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: we kind of talked about this with Michigan. They were 217 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: there were more paths to victory from Michigan than Washington 218 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: in terms of like Washington needed this game to be 219 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: a fast break shootout, whereas Michael Pennich throwing all over 220 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: the yard, having to go back and forth. We said, 221 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: if Michigan, and I think it's hard to speed up 222 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: a team that's a ground and pound team, if Michigan 223 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: was able to kind of grind it out a little bit, 224 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: it was going to lean in their favor. And what 225 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: we saw very early on in the game, two big 226 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: runs right out the gate, and it's kind of like 227 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: a nightmare for Washington because now you allow Michigan to 228 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: play from in front. With the league never had to 229 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: put JJ McCarthy in a pressure situation where it's a 230 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: guy to have it time, where he has to make 231 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: throws and they have to kind of come out of there, 232 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: come out of their shell. As an offense. They let 233 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: him be a trailer. He didn't have to be a truck. 234 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: He didn't have to. He made a handful of plays. 235 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: They had some drops or whatever. He did some things. 236 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: But this game was won because of the offense and 237 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: defensive lines of Michigan were able to control the line 238 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. They allowed them to play in their very 239 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: comfortable style and U Doub couldn't do it offensively. To me, 240 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: it's the offensive line being able to create lanes early. 241 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: So Donovan, Edwards and Blake we're able to have success. 242 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: And it's not talked about enough. And maybe just because 243 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: I'm an X and O's junkie, I love it what 244 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: Michigan does. When people talk about their gap schemes pinin 245 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: pull or whatever. But it's the gap schemes combined with 246 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: the unbalanced each so many big plays that they had, 247 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: and it's never talked about. On the brackets, they're in 248 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: unbalanced overload things break Coorn scores a touchdown, it's an 249 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: unbalanced to the left. They run the counter back to 250 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: the right, to the short side. He goes and the 251 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: numbers are in his favor. It's the same stuff he 252 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: did at Stanford. He's modernized it a little bit at 253 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: Michigan and it is so advantageous and I'm just looking 254 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: at it like, man, it's just coaching brilliance that he 255 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: and his staff have been able to do. 256 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 2: It's like, to me, it reminds me of like when 257 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: you're in first grade. Okay, this is what it reminds 258 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: me of. Because and I'll show you this, but like 259 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: I'm not drawing up to the ex's and nose. But 260 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: we had a theory offensive line or our offensive coordinator 261 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: at gosh. I can't remember if it was at northeas 262 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: Louisiana or if I was an app but he, you know, 263 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 2: we were talking about we had check with me's runs 264 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 2: and power and it was, you know, a lot of 265 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: times we wanted to depend on thelignment of the three 266 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: techniques sometimes and at one point time to me, he goes, guys, 267 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: Lex use the bunch theory, and I was like, the 268 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: bunch theory. He's like, there's a bunch of dudes over there, 269 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 2: Let's go over here. And I'm like, yeah, literally, if 270 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: you just like split the field and if you just 271 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: say like, okay, we've got like there's all these guys 272 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: over here, but there's only three guys over here. Let's 273 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: go there. Like, that's that's literally what you're watching TV. 274 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh my gosh, they got numbers and 275 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: they do it and and. 276 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: DJ is so subtle and going all the way back 277 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: to the semi final game because I thought this was 278 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: telling when Nick Saban talked about Michigan's willingness to huddle 279 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: made it hard for them to match up on defense 280 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: because they were a team that like to call it. 281 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: We call it AFC automatic front and coverage. So you 282 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: make the call based on the formation that the opponent 283 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,599 Speaker 1: is in. So they want to see the formation and 284 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: the which relays a call to the team. The team 285 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: then execusees the call. Well, when you come out in 286 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: a hall and you do what Michigan does where they 287 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: line up, they break the huddle, they line up, they shift, 288 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: they motion. You now take that away, you take the 289 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: coaches out of the mix with the kind of funny 290 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: and so they're doing that, and is the thing about 291 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: unbalanced and it's funny where the source comes from. Hugh 292 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: Jackson used to always talk to me about unbalanced line 293 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: because we he was in the pros as office coordinator 294 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: for the Bengals. He used to always talk about, you 295 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: line up in unbalanced ten to twelve times because the 296 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: one time that the defense doesn't line up right, you 297 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: gash them. Yeah, so it is oh, I'm gonna keep 298 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: lining up and this and see if you get it right, 299 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: because the one time that you don't ends up being 300 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: a big play. How many times do we see in 301 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: the playoffs Michigan line up in unbalanced line the opponent 302 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: doesn't line up correctly, and it ends. 303 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: Up being a huge play. And that's what happened last 304 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: night on occasion. Yeah, I mean I'm looking at it. 305 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: They ran for three hundred and three yards, and you 306 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: look at the runs. Some of these runs fifty nine yards, 307 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: forty six yards, twenty two yards, I mean fourteen thirteen, 308 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: Like they're just gashing them like home runs. And it 309 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 2: probably like green, green grass. It wasn't like a lot 310 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 2: of these are breaking tack and making people miss out in. 311 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: Space, like this is just grass grass. And so the 312 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: first couple of players that they hit on, guys who 313 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: are really into the game will have heard the play 314 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: called duo, right. Duo is basically a no pool of power. 315 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: You don't pull anybody, but you get double teams on 316 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: everybody at the point of attack. And the running back 317 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: just basically runs to daylight. It is one of those things. 318 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: So if all week you've been taught hey, when the 319 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: pullers go, we're gonna run over top, Hey when the 320 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: pullers go yeah. So now you're sitting there in space 321 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: and they're hitting it downhill, Donovan Edwards pops, big play 322 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: comes again, pops right out the gate. Because of those things, 323 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: I will say, their creativity and the running game is 324 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: really challenging, is different. And it reminds me as we 325 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: talked about Jim Harbug going to the next level, It 326 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of how Kyle Shanahan and My 327 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: Daniels and Sean McVay. They have a way of creating 328 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: splash plays on the ground as appels through the air, 329 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: and that really challenges the defense in a different way 330 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: than having to defend these metric pass attacks. 331 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you think about like if you think 332 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: about the sport of golf or baseball, they talk about 333 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: having a repeatable swing like basketball, Yes, the guys have 334 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: a repeatable stroke. Like you just look at him and say, okay, 335 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: do you have more success if it's simple and repeatable? 336 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: And in a game where I picked Washington in this one, 337 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 2: Michigan had the simpler, more repeatable way of getting this 338 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: thing done. 339 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: And so then let's go and talk about their defense, 340 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: right because everyone to me, I was looking at this 341 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: game wondering if Michael Pennix was gonna have a CJ. 342 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: Stroud game, a game in the playoffs where it opens 343 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: your eyes to like, oh, have I given him enough 344 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: credit for what he could be? Well? Last week was 345 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: kind of that over him against texts. They kind of 346 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: opened it up. And so then when you dig down 347 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: and you look and you watch him at the end 348 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: of the game where you got completely beat up, you 349 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: didn't look at the numbers and say Michigan had one sec. 350 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: They numbers tar out of him though they only blit 351 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: sixteen times. They lined up and played covered. He threw 352 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: through the ball fifty one. They lined up and played 353 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: coverage with four men rushes, and they were able to 354 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: get home and just kind of change and alter it. 355 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: And it takes me back to when I was with 356 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers and what two things I was with 357 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders. Willie Shaw, David Shaw's dad used to 358 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: talk about the front end affects the back end more 359 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: than the back end can affect the front end, meaning 360 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: the pass rush can mask can mask any issues that 361 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: you have in the back end, because if you're able 362 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: to disrupt the rhythm and the time and get the quarterback, 363 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what you have back there, keep the 364 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: ball in front. The pressure would do it. Then, John Fox, 365 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: when we were at the Carolina Pants, if you think 366 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: about going to the Super Bowl with the front seven, 367 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: I had Julius Peppers and Mike Rutger and Brus Buckling 368 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: and all these guys. To front seven was great undrafted 369 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: guys on the corner. And it's just a lesson that 370 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: as we're building a team, if you really invest in 371 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: the front lines, it doesn't really matter what you have there. 372 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: It gives you the flexibility that if you don't have 373 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: perfect personnel behind it, you can mask it because my 374 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: guys at the line of scrimmage can win and that 375 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: matters on my offense and also on defense. 376 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they were better up front. I mean, 377 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 2: Washington left tackle is a stud, and we're gonna see 378 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: him going in the first round. Whether he's a guarter tackles, 379 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 2: he's legit. The other four guys struggled and so you 380 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: look at part of this game. To me, it was 381 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: this this formula, this concoction that was lethal against Washington 382 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: was Okay, you got beat up up front a little bit. 383 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 2: Your running back's not healthy. And Dylan Johnson the gave 384 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: him eleven carries and I'm just sitting there washing run. 385 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: God bless him. He is tough kid and I'll give 386 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: him all the accolades for that he could. 387 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: You needed to get him out of that game. 388 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, you had you had some You had some space 389 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: because they're rushing for because they're playing coverage. You have 390 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 2: to run the ball and make them pay for it. 391 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: And you gotta running backut there on one leg. They needed 392 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: to That was a coaching mistake to me. They needed 393 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 2: to pull him out of that game. And then the 394 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: other side of it is and I know you've played 395 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 2: a position, but to me, and I'm look, mission was 396 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 2: gonna win this game either way. But it looked to 397 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: me like, hey, boys, make them call it. Okay, Oh 398 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: one Roma Dunes one is talented is our guy. We 399 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: can't cover him, so make them call it. And they 400 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: didn't call it. They got a couple of them, but 401 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: they held the crud out of him in that game. 402 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: So DJ one of my things, particularly when it's high 403 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: school or college, understand what the rules are. It's a 404 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: fifteen yard penalty and it's not an automatic first down. 405 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: When high school, it's not an automatic first down. So 406 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: if you're a little handsy, a little this, a little 407 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: bit oh, I mean they were timing his jersey down 408 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: the field. Give him the fifteen yards because it takes 409 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: a lot of fifteens to produce. We're not going to 410 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: let him go. And it reminded me of I mean, 411 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: this is our era. But when Nolan Richardson was at 412 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: Arkansas and they played forty minutes a hell, they rest 413 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: the whole time, and he was like, they're not going 414 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: to call it all day. At some point, when you 415 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: establish your style, they just say, well, that's just how 416 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: they play. And so as you talk about a repeatable swing, 417 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: Hey man, if we're holding from beginning to end, they're 418 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,719 Speaker 1: not going to call thirty five holding pillogy. So at 419 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: some point, hey guys, you got to get off. You 420 00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: just got to get off the thing. And what miss 421 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: did when they played coverage, they put their hands on them. 422 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: They didn't give up free access. They made them uncomfortable 423 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: by being annoying. It's it's the annoying defense that guys 424 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: who like to have space want to do, and Michigan 425 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: was willing to do what other teams were unwilling to 426 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: do when it came to challenging those guys and making 427 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: them kind of earn every yard. 428 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 2: I'm want to give you some homework out of school here, 429 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: which I think would be good for you too. But 430 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 2: the thought I had watching this game was man in 431 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: an era in the college, in the NFL, when you 432 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: watch games on Saturday and Sunday, well, I don't know 433 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: the tackling has ever been worse. 434 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: They tackle, man, they so I want to know what 435 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: are they doing? Oh okay, so since since you do that, 436 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: since I am the inquisitive high school yes, Like I'm 437 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: looking around and I'm trying to figure out what's to 438 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: coming to nominating all these teams that are the blue 439 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: blood teams that are always in Alabama, Georgia. You now 440 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,239 Speaker 1: talk about Michigan, Well, DJ, we've talked about it as 441 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: scals like they thump, Yeah, they get after it. They tackled, 442 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: They tackled every day. They do all these things. They 443 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: pride themselves and being very physical teams, and if you 444 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: want to fancy yourself as a physical team, everything that 445 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: you do in your training has to match that. So 446 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: the way that you lift weights has to be conducive 447 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: to building. If a physical, tough team, old school lifts, 448 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna bench, we're gonna poer clan, we're gonna squad, 449 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: we're gonna do all this stuff. The way that you 450 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: run and practice, the way that you tackle and practice. 451 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: We're tackling every day, now, are we beating everybody up? No, 452 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: we may tackling, do some of the Seahawks tackling drills 453 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: and those things. But to play for us, the mentalities 454 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: you have to tackle. And I was having a conversation 455 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: with my dad coming in because we were kind of 456 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: reviewing the championship game, and he was like, man, what 457 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: did you see? I said, Dad, All I know is 458 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: when I watched those teams play in the playoffs, they 459 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: hit to hurt them, They run through people on contact. 460 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: And I'll say this, Michigan was laying the wood too, 461 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: because those little bubble screens that Michigan they came up 462 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: there after those little bubble screens, they were smacking immediately. 463 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: And I just believed that we're in the era that 464 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: the team that out hits the other team is the 465 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: team that is going to win. So how do you 466 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: get that done in practice without beating your guys up? 467 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: That's the secret sauce. But I did notice Alabama and 468 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: Michigan and those guys talked about in the past because 469 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: those teams were typically losing Bowl games because they were 470 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: practiced three weeks just beating each other up. Both teams 471 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: opted for different approaches. Took the pads off, more walkthroughs, 472 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: slowly ramped it up, did the taging, but without the 473 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: pads on, and so they were able to get it done. 474 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: And so what I saw was a Michigan team that 475 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: was as fast as I've seen in a long time, 476 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: because that used to always be the thing that albatross 477 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: against Big ten teams, they're not fast. That team looked 478 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: fast on the turf, and I don't know if any 479 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: of us thought that they would be as fast as 480 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: Washington in that matchup. 481 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, what Roman Wilson can fly. So we saw 482 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: a lot of that from him in that game, just 483 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 2: a little quick east. 484 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: Just sliding him out in the flat boot legs make 485 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy being able to do that tight ends in 486 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: the mix, and we've talked about in the Nasha believe 487 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: the tight end is the biggest missmatch them lined up 488 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: in twelve and thirteen person nail throwing the ball over 489 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: the middle of the field, and you just see how 490 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: friendly the game can be when you have a good 491 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: tight end over the middle. 492 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 2: Well, I give you homework. I'm I'm thinking of I 493 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 2: should give him Bill homework here because you could go 494 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 2: through the bill and find the episode. I know we 495 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: talked about this on here. Do you remember when it 496 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 2: came out that they had a Georgia period at practice? 497 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: Oh, Michigan. Oh, And we said on here. 498 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: I know for a fact we both said it like, hey, 499 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: all these people are making fun of this and chuckling 500 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 2: and laughing. Just just remember we heard. We heard the 501 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 2: same thing when he said stuff about USC when he 502 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 2: was at Stanford. 503 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: He said he was going to get him. He said, 504 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: said he did it. 505 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: He said he did the same thing here he did 506 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 2: the same said laughing at him, at your own perils. 507 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: He's done everything. USC was at the Pinnacle when he 508 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: was a Yes, they were like underdogs by a lot, 509 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: and they ran the thirty five point underdog and be 510 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: and I remember they ran power over and over. It 511 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: was to the point they pret carefuls like what's your deal? 512 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: And they pounded him and when he sets his sights, 513 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: because it goes all the way back to first they 514 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: had to catch Ohio and they had to beat Ohio 515 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: period where they lined up. They did a nine oh 516 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: seven period every Tuesday and just got after it. We 517 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: talk about Georgia having bloody Tuesdays when it's the level 518 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: of filkalthy. Everyone knows how Alabama has practice for years. 519 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: The teams that are going to the next level, they're 520 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: intentional about how they do it. Michigan when they lost 521 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: to Georgia two years ago, they said, Okay, they saw 522 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: what it looks like. We see what it looks like. 523 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: We got to do it. So I think maybe one 524 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: of his best traits his adaptability, his ability to say, hey, 525 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: here's what we need to be this team. We got 526 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: up to annie in this area and he's been able 527 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: to do it, which is why I believe NFL teams 528 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: are so fascinated by because everywhere he is four for four, 529 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: he's won, and he's won at a major level. He 530 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: might be quirky or whatever. But the one thing you're getting, 531 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: you're getting the winner, and you're going to get a 532 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: tough hearts team that finds a way to get it done. 533 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: And he's quarterback friendly. 534 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're gonna have an identity he's quarterback friendly. 535 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: I saw a clip with with Richard Sherman the other day, 536 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 2: our buddy, and he was saying, uh, you know, and 537 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 2: it was look, I remember going through there during the 538 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 2: time when he was coming out, and it was well 539 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 2: known that he didn't mean Harbaugh, did not get along 540 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: at all. And so I was Colin or somebody had 541 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: asked him, you know, if he'd you know how he 542 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: worked with Harbaugh and said they butted heads and I 543 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 2: don't think he particularly like Harbaugh. But one of the 544 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 2: points he brought up was he knows how to identify coaches. 545 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: And we talked about this last week. I believed the 546 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: week before about the underrated aspect of coaches is finding 547 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: and developing coaches as well as finding and developing players. 548 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: He's done it again, man, like, this is going to 549 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: be a staff that if he goes to the NFL, 550 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: which I think he will, he can bring a bunch 551 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: of these guys with him. If not, they're going to 552 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 2: be sought after all over both the NFL level and 553 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: the college level because he understands how to find innovative, creative, discipline, tough, 554 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: good ti teachers. 555 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: He's always had a great coaching staff. Wherever he's been, 556 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: he always has done it. And here's what I would 557 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: say this like and just reading up about all this 558 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: stuff prior to the game and just talking about how 559 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: he and his brother come to work. Right. Mike McDonald 560 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: comes up to Michigan. He also interviewed Jesse Minner during 561 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: that time. Both of those guys have been on Baltimore's staff. 562 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: He wanted the Ravens defense up in Michigan. So Mike 563 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: McDonald comes up Services and apprentice, does a year there, 564 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: goes back down to Baltimore. We see what he's done 565 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: with Baltimore that dominated mentor, goes to Vanderbilt, then makes 566 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: his way up to Michigan. Young, dynamic, and what he 567 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: wanted was I want complex that simple. I wanted to 568 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: look complex, simple for us, but complex to them. And 569 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: he has been able to do that and to me, 570 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: the secret sauce and identifying coaches who are the great 571 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: teachers who are the guys that can take these concepts 572 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: and really simplifying where the players understand it and the 573 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: concepts build upon on another that it just makes sense 574 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: and clicks, because whether it's college dealing with the twenty 575 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: yard rule and the transient nation of the college game 576 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: where you have so many transfers where you've got to 577 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: get people up to speed, or the pro game where 578 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: you're dealing with free agency and young players needing to 579 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: play the advantage that you now have. My coaches are 580 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: better than your coaches. We have a scheme that allows 581 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: our guys to quickly learn what they're doing and to 582 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: play well. And so Jim Harbaugh certainly deserves a lot 583 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: of credit for identifying coaches that understand how to teach 584 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: and understand how to attack the opponent without confusing their 585 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: own guys. 586 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 2: Man, what was fun? It was a fun game. Excited 587 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: to see what ends up happening with hardball, where he 588 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 2: ends up going, what he ends up doing. I did 589 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 2: hear him talk about spring ball and how they're moving 590 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: that back made it sound like. 591 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: He's day stay Valentine's Day. If you love football, we're 592 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 3: gona start on Valentine's Day. I will say this, I 593 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 3: will be very surprised. Maybe he shocks me and others 594 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 3: and stays. But look, here's what I think DJ. I 595 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 3: think he has perfect situation. 596 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, he finished it. He finished the job. He finished it. 597 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: Like I leave if I get a great offer, I 598 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: don't have to leave. Yeah, like it's almost those things. 599 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: I have a good job. Yeah, I don't leave unless 600 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: the situation is got a statue job. I mean it's 601 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: gonna be a statu think the building. I mean yeah, 602 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: so he he has the best word. So now I 603 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: would think those other things. Like in the past hiring cycles, 604 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: he didn't necessarily have the leverage because he hadn't completed it. Well, 605 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: now Michigan is indebted to him. They got to write 606 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: a big check. 607 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, they've already put it on the table. So to 608 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 2: come up off that so and so now he's plus, 609 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 2: you got the NCAA thing. We'll see what happens with that. 610 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 2: But man, it's uh, it was impressive. It was impressive 611 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 2: what they did last night. Although I'm watching that game 612 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: and uh, the other thought that went through my head 613 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 2: was you're not gonna be able to duck Georgia ever again. 614 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 2: Twelve team playoff, they're going to get in every year. 615 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 2: So to me, like we had this SEC dominance and 616 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: I think, I know Klatt had said this should give 617 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 2: everybody else hope. I think the twelve team playoff is 618 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 2: the opposite of that because what it's going to ensure 619 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 2: is that you're gonna have to even you're gonna have 620 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 2: to see the SEC. You're gonna have to see you can 621 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 2: say there're gonna be three of them in there every year, 622 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: you gonna have to see that you're gonna have this 623 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 2: And even if they have a slip up in a 624 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: championship game like Georgia, to me, and I don't want 625 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: to make Michigan fans, Georgia would have had a better 626 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 2: fight last night. 627 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: They would have. But to me, what is exciting about 628 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: the twelve team playoff? Yeah, let's see you run the 629 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: gallet because now if you named a champion, you earned it. 630 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: You had to go through it. And if your team 631 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: is not built like those teams are that we talk 632 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: about now. I know people get tired of talking about 633 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: Alabama and Georgia, but now Alabama, Georgia and Michigan. And 634 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: I even like what Washington, but Oregon, you have to 635 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: be built a way to be able to win a championship. 636 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: And as much as I love my Tar Hills, yeah, 637 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: it looks a lot different. It looks a lot different 638 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: when they when when those top teams are playing, it 639 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: a lot different. 640 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: You know who understands that. Who got that message? Lincoln Riley? Oh, 641 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 2: he hired Danton Lynn, who had been at UCLA. Where 642 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: was he prior to that? He was with the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah, 643 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 2: and the same defense you saw last night. Yeah, and 644 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: you know what it looks. He's like, that's what it's 645 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: got to look like. I go to Big ten and 646 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 2: then we got the twelve team playoff. 647 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: I got it. I can't be doing what I've been 648 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: doing out here offense only that ain't gonna work. No, 649 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to play big boy football. And so 650 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: it should be an exciting time as we look ahead 651 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: to where college football is going and where Jim Harbor 652 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: may eventually end up in the National Football League, Because 653 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: if I'm a team that he's on the radar, you 654 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: already know what it's gonna look like. It's gonna be 655 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: a physical football team that looks like the Ravens and 656 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: the Niners and all those other teams that he's been 657 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: associated with, or people in this family have been associated with. 658 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 2: Well, we'll see. It'll be interesting to see what he 659 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: ends up doing. A great to be back in person, 660 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 2: by the way, it was good man, it's great. No, Bill, 661 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 2: I don't even know if he's awake back there, looks like. 662 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: He's he had an easy day today. He just could 663 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: chill out. 664 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, this is a big lean day that 665 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 2: we're leaning back a little bit. It's just a real comfortable, 666 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: comfortable dealing. 667 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes we forget we're probbed. Sometimes we forget there's there's 668 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: a camera run in my bad. No, we forgot we 669 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,239 Speaker 1: were leaning back. It was a very it's a very 670 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: chill day. Yeah, No, I like we et couches. Can 671 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: we get the comfies? Can we get the comfies and 672 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: just kind of choke kick back. I just love that 673 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: Hanzus has this. 674 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 2: He still has this calculator here, So what does he 675 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 2: what this little stopwatch there tracking? I think it's just 676 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 2: to keep Rosenthal in check in terms of how long 677 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 2: he's talking, but I'm not sure. Shot clock, shot clock 678 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: there you go, all right, that's going to be for say, 679 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: I hope you guys have enjoyed it. We will see 680 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: you next time. 681 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: Right here, onto the sticks.