WEBVTT - Labor Pains 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.880 Good morning, Peepsen. Welcome to Bookayeff Daily with me your 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:19.759 Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Homebunker. Folks, I'm not 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:23.040 going to spend too much time on today's introduction, as 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:27.520 I want you to get to the interview that I 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.639 just did. You know, often in this work I have 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.760 the privilege of sitting down and speaking one on one 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.519 with some of the most brilliant minds, people who I 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:46.560 really believe whose voice, presence, writing deserves accolades upon accolades. 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:52.919 Jaredy eight Sexton is, in my humble opinion, absolutely beyond. 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.240 He's a political analyst. He is the co host of 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.720 the Muckerak podcast. He is the author of the upcoming 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:03.080 book that will be available January twenty twenty three, The 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:08.440 Midnight Kingdom, A History of Power, Paranoia and the Coming Crisis. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:13.240 I had an amazing time in this jam packed close 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:18.200 to forty minute conversation with Jared where we really unpack 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:24.000 the crises that are at hand and what our future 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.560 looks like. And frankly, you know, it's not often I mean, 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.640 you guys know that I am a person that is 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.080 ye of little hope, but it isn't often that I 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.920 honestly get to get into the nitty gritty as to 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.640 why I am of little faith as to why we 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.520 need to understand that what we are fighting for is 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.840 a future that we may not see right, and that 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:51.080 is actually the responsibility of each generation to fight so 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.320 that the generations that come behind us don't have to 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:58.960 remake the wheel. But in the fight that is impending, 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.640 the fight for our democracy, the fight for our bodily autonomy, 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:07.760 the fight for our civil liberties, we may be just 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.560 at the precipice of the darkness, and we may not 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.919 see the light again, but that should not stop us 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.960 from doing everything that is within our power to make 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:24.000 it so that there is another side, right, that some 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:28.760 generation does get to the other side, and that sometimes, folks, 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:33.040 it is necessary to break shit down, to break it apart, 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.040 to have a breakdown, in order to have a breakthrough. 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:40.320 So Jared and I pull absolutely no punches in this conversation. 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.359 I hope that you enjoy it as much as I did. 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:47.560 Coming up next, my conversation with political analysts, co host 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.480 of the muck Rake Podcast, an author of the upcoming 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:55.400 book The Midnight Kingdom, A History of Power, Paranoia, and 0:02:55.480 --> 0:03:02.959 the Coming crisis. Folks, I am very excited to welcome 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:07.040 to okay f Daily for the first time author all 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.760 Around Badass jaredy eight Sexton, who has a new book 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.600 that will be coming out in January twenty twenty three, 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:18.280 The Midnight Kingdom, The History of Power, Paranoia and the 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.840 Coming Crisis. He is also author of the twenty twenty 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:27.080 book American Rule, How a nation configure conquered the world 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:31.840 but failed its people. Jared, thank you so much for 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:35.840 making the time to join woke F. I want to 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:40.480 talk about what we have been seeing over the course 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:45.320 of the last several months, which is the normalization of 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:53.200 dehumanization and brutality and cruelty as it pertains to the 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:57.680 migrant crisis in this country, and what both Governor Abbott 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:03.520 in Texas and Governor Descantis in Florida have been doing 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:08.440 when they have decided to either bus or most recently, 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:16.200 charter planes to bamboozo migrants into believing desperate people into 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:22.400 believing that there is work, housing, food, a better life 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:27.480 on the other side of this transit. And then they 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.400 arrive and they're dropped off on a tarmac or abandon 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:35.120 in front of a building, and there are photo ops, 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.720 and you know, they get to replay this humiliation and 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:43.279 dehumanization on Fox News for political points. But what's worse 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.640 is that our media is complicit in the continuation of this. 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:52.360 And so I want to get your thoughts on how 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:57.200 this level of normalization is really getting to the core 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:01.680 of the destruction of the values, most values this country 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:05.800 was actually built on. Yeah, this stunt. We were talking 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.280 a little bit about this before, like just how repulsive 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.039 this thing was, And I want to call it what 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:12.640 it is because a lot of the time we get 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.400 caught up in the idea that this is a stunt 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.719 or a game or some sort of political move, which 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.679 is what our media is portrayed. As we're talking about living, 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.520 breathing human beings. We're talking about some of the most 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.960 vulnerable people on the face of the earth right now, Families, children, 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.599 months old babies who were being used by some of 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.480 those powerful people in the United States as part of 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:37.320 this stunts, as part of this giant manipulation. And I 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.960 want to point out that what does that show us. 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:43.200 It shows us that these people do not see these living, 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:47.200 breathing human beings as human beings. They're treating them like trash. 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:51.040 It's literally the equivalent of a political stunt where there's 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.760 some sort of I don't know, trash strike and as 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:58.040 a result, you throw your garbage bags on like the 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.080 lawns of the people in charge. What this is and 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:05.080 it reveals like the deep, deep, corrosive white supremacy that 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.440 is at the heart of not only the Republican Party 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.120 but also the powerful in this country. Because what is 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.039 happening at this point is that the Republican Party is 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:19.440 not just a worsening political project. They're representing a lot 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:24.160 of forces and a momentum that's taking place in this country. 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.240 We obviously have seen for years now these people have 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.920 been put in camps. This is one of the stories. Hardly, 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.159 it hardly rose up to the public consciousness. There were 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.840 four sterilizations. The amount of abuse that took place in 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.719 these camps like this was for years and years and years, 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.880 and it was not limited to just the Trump administration. 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:47.800 This has been a continual abuse of these people who 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:52.719 have been dehumanized and brutalized constantly. Occasionally, you know, we'll 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:54.480 talk about it and there will be a moment where 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.240 politically we'll talk about who's winning here, who's winning there? 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:02.440 Our media class and our political class have shared that 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.479 view that these are not actual human beings that you 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:09.279 necessarily need to treat humanely. It just so happens that 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.560 the Republican Party says it out loud. These types of 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:17.120 stunts are open expressions of that. The fact that our 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.040 media is normalizing this, that they're calling this a protest, 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.400 that they're saying it was a political move. Some people 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.480 are criticizing it. Notice how the headlines sort of treat this. 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:31.080 What we're watching is this immigration quote unquote crisis, which 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.720 is what they always call it, right, which is actually 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.240 a humanitarian crisis. It's just being treated as what do 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.080 you do with all of these people because we in 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.680 the United States, we don't have enough resources to take 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:46.080 care of them, which is absolute hogwash. It's absolutely absurd. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.600 So we're reaching this point in our political environment where 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.400 so called liberals, people who are supposed to care about 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.840 these people, they're saying, listen, I wish we could treat 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:01.200 them better, but we just we can't. We just don't 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.920 have the resources. We don't have the things, and you 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.400 and I both know things are going to get worse 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:10.640 as climate change starts to knockout resources starts to actually 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:15.480 like corrode away of land, and this immigration crisis that 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.640 everybody keeps talking about, this humanitarian crisis, is only going 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.040 to grow and grow. So what we're seeing from Abbot, 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.680 what we're seeing from the Santis, this is an early 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.560 preview of where all of this is going unless the 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:32.319 United States of America has an actual reckoning with first 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.000 of all, where we come from, who we are, what 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.880 we've done, and how we treat people who are not considered, 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:43.000 you know, worthy human beings. So this is actually an 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:47.120 expression of something that is latent within the American character 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.679 and culture, and it just so happens that now it's 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.880 coming to the forefront because this crisis grows and grows 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.360 and grows, and we're sort of we're sprinting towards a 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.000 cliff right now. So this type of cruelty, it's only 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.920 going to get worse, you know. It's I want to 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:03.720 stay with this for a moment because I think that 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.840 what has happened, and obviously we saw it magnify during 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:12.000 the Trump administration, but it is the acceptance of a 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.480 certain level of cruelty, right it is, you know, we 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:19.920 went from revering and applauding essential workers at the height 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:24.560 of COVID nineteen, to beating teachers up for wanting to 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.680 have mask mandates, to sending in bomb threats to hospitals 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.040 that are caring for people and saying that this is 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:35.240 a hoax and you're killing these people. This all does 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.680 stem from a part of what your upcoming book is about, 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:44.640 which is paranoia and the politics of paranoia and how 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.680 when we're able to set it as well as the 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:52.560 Republican Party has that the only thing that grows from there, 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.440 as far as I can see as a student of history, 0:09:56.000 --> 0:10:00.400 is violence, right, is authoritarianism, is fascism. So I want 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:06.040 you to speak about the politics of paranoia and the 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:10.840 how the insidiousness in which we are trying to defund 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:15.880 our public education system and stop the learning of our 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:21.680 history as a way to continue fueling that reality that 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:25.160 they want us to believe, that alternate reality of their 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:29.319 coming for us. Yeah, and to go ahead. I think 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:33.920 public education is a really really troubling but perfect way 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.760 to look at all of this. So, on one hand, 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:42.080 the attack on public education is absolutely about trying to 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.600 push a curriculum which all these people are that goes 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:50.880 ahead and whitewashes America's history of inequality, America's history of 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.600 white supremacy, misogyny, you name it. This is about going 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.160 ahead and sort of repairing a break in the dam. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.400 Like as we're talking about what actual history is, they 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.880 see that is like incredibly dangerous, right because it reveals 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:08.560 what has actually happened and what this entire American project, 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.720 how we've arrived at this point. Because if you start 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.560 putting things together all of a sudden, you can have 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.800 mass politics, you can actually push for change and and 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.800 you know, some sort of course correction. So on one hand, 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.560 it's absolutely about controlling information. And if you look at history, 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.800 reactionary causes always go after education first. That's the first 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:31.040 thing that they do. They call teachers traders, they call them, 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.800 you know, enemies of the people, they call them, you know, 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:37.240 dangerous threats. That's always what happens. But there's a twin 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.000 part of this that reveals a larger thing. All of 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:44.280 these sort of quote unquote grassroots groups that are going 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:49.280 after CRT or you know, groomers in public education, they're 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:54.959 all being funded by wealthy, wealthy donors and their their 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.520 constellation of think tanks and institutes and the reason that 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.600 they're doing that is not in order to control history 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:06.040 and information. It's also to destroy public education in totality. 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.760 They want to go ahead and privatize it because and 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.080 I'm getting ready to say trillion with a T, this 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:18.120 is a potential trillion dollar industry privatizing public education. So 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.360 what's happening in the middle of all of this. You 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.400 can't have a Koke brother who comes out and says, 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.360 my plans are to destroy public education and make billions 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.640 of dollars. That doesn't work right because people are going 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.040 to hear, oh wait a second, you want to make 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.440 sure that my child not only doesn't get an education, 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.400 but also that they're going to make less money, which 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.280 is part of this. Like, if you think this is 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.280 going to stop at Roe v. Wade, it's going to 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.040 We're talking about gay marriage, but we're also talking about 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.760 things like minimum wage, we're talking about workplace regulations. An 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.880 oversight like it's the rolling back of all of the 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.800 progress of the twentieth century. So you can't go out 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:56.800 and say this is what I'm doing for my own profit, 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.760 for my own empowerment and basically to finish off my 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:04.360 takeover of government and public industries, so you have to 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.480 create a story. And what this group always does, and 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.800 again this is historical, is it's the playbook. And it's 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.720 really kind of disturbing how predictable it is. What you 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.160 do is you make up a story that explains why 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.480 things are the way they are, why people are suffering, 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.880 but you take your blame and you transfer it over. So, 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.040 for instance, you'll notice that in all of these stories, 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:31.880 and I'm talking about in the New York Times and 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.040 the Washington Post, all of them, they all talk about 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.880 there's something happening in the country. We don't know why, 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:42.600 there's some sort of anti democratic crisis that's taking place, 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:47.760 and people who have just been paid millions of dollars 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.199 to diagnose the problems. And by the way, the problems 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.800 are always a moral crisis, right, it's always the nuclear 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.640 family has fallen off. People. Aren't you going to church enough? 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.600 These people who've been paid millions of dollars to know everything, 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.440 they just can't figure out what's going on, Like, who 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.760 knows what's happening. It's a democratic crisis, but they can't 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.600 figure it out. And the reason is this, all of 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:15.560 these stories, all of these conspiracy theories they take the 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.960 onus off of the wealthy who have just not only 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:23.120 become historically wealthy as they've created inequality, but they've started 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.560 to take over the government. They've corrupted the government with 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:28.600 special interests. They've basically bought off members of both parties. 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.160 The Republican Party is only a pr front for these 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.680 people at this point. It goes ahead and it takes 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:39.000 the spotlight off of this unequal capitalist system that they 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.920 have completely run rough shot over, and it says, no, 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:47.640 it's not economic inequality. The problem is satanic cabals, right, 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:55.840 And it's always this supernatural evil capital evil, right. And 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.040 what it does is it basically says that there are 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.200 people who are serving Satan, who are serving and you 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:05.360 know with Alex Jones, Q yeah, Q and on, it's 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.920 extra dimensional stuff. They're they're abusing children, they're doing all this. 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.160 And you'll notice in all of this what always gets 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.640 lost is the simplest explanation, which is this is because 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.320 wealthy people want to agree more wealthy, Yeah, And it 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.520 always is a detour that goes around it. So all 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:25.000 of this paranoia, all of these conspiracy theories, they are 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:28.720 intentional weapons. They go ahead and hide what's happening. And 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:32.640 I'll tell you this, they always grow and grow and grow. 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.400 Whenever people get sick of this, they say, I'm so 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.720 tired of working this hard, of being treated this way. 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.320 The government obviously doesn't serve me. And then the wealth 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.520 they say, hey, by the way, let's tell you some stories. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:47.160 And those stories are always to that purpose. And I 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.840 gotta tell you, the destruction of public education it makes 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:53.600 it less possible to fight back against those conspiracy theories 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:57.040 because they go ahead and they fill the vacuum of ignorance, 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.160 and that superstition grows, and then you have the I 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.040 was just talking on my podcast yesterday about the satanic 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:07.040 panic when you have a conservative push, right when they 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.680 take over the government and they take over power, all 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.800 of a sudden, you start talking about demons and possessions 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.760 and evil spirits lurking in the dark. And what you're 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:19.800 not talking about is the corruption by the wealthy of 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.080 the government and the buying off of the public sphere. 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.920 It's it's a perfect distraction and it's and it's worked 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:28.080 for generations. You know what's so wild to me? I 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:31.280 mean all of that like brilliant. It's like every alarm 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.360 bell just went off. What is so wild to me 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:39.800 is how people fall for it all the time. Because 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:44.520 I want to use again COVID nineteen as kind of 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.480 the perfect model of what has happened to our idea 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:53.000 and understanding of work and workers. Right, So we have 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:57.560 twenty twenty, the beginning of the COVID nineteen pandemic. We 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:01.680 shut down this country, and and you have only a 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.560 handful of people who barely make minimum wage, if minimum 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:09.439 wage was even passed in their states. Right to be 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.560 the ones that are going out to get you your groceries, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.879 that are bringing you your food to your house so 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.720 that you can stay safe. But it was the poor 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.800 and people of color that we said, here's this flimsy 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:29.119 cloth mask, you go face the virus, so that I right, me, 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.719 middle class and up people can stay wrapped in the 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.080 safety of the cocoon of my home. Okay, we applaud 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:40.040 those people. We don't call for an increase in minimum wage. 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.560 We don't call for, you know, a mandatory maximum of tipping. 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.440 We do nothing. We just applaud them, We say thank you. 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.880 Then after a little while we get annoyed with that 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.560 many people who are privileged were able to continue to 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:59.959 work from home. Right, who then realized why the hell 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.719 is I spending eight to ten hours a day in 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.040 this cubicle, in this office, not being able to see 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.280 my kids, not being able to cook my dinner, not 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.920 being able to just live my life because I had 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.359 these overlords that told me that if I wasn't in 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.879 this space for eight to ten hours a day, the 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:21.640 entire society would collapse. Well it didn't, right, And now 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.600 you have a younger generation of people who have graduated 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.640 from school within this context of I actually don't need 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.399 to be miserable. I don't need to bide my time 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:35.440 for thirty forty years. So Jared, it seems really convenient 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:39.639 then that we would find ourselves in this place where 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:41.959 I have a president of the United States had just 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:45.400 said that the COVID nineteen pandemic was over. I got, 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.760 you know, people telling me, well, you know, folks need 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.840 to come back to work because you know, we need 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.680 to have more community at work. Right, We're a family here. 0:18:55.880 --> 0:19:00.280 Capitalism isn't about family, right, So I just it's so 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.119 let us all tell these stories about how young people 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.040 are so desperate for the community of the water cooler, 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.200 so that then we all have to go back into 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:15.280 this grind, into this machine because the higher the overlords 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:16.880 are not going to be able to make as much 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.199 money if people recognize that they actually don't need to 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:21.840 work as hard. So let me tell you the new 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:26.479 narrative of quiet quitting, meaning I recognize my value as 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.840 a human being and I'm no longer going to allow 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.239 you to treat me like a mule. Yeah. And by 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.720 the way, this is one of the reasons I Julie said, 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.080 come on this show, because let's talk about some stuff 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.000 to start with. What you just brought up in terms 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.160 of like the lockdown is one of the most telling 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.320 parts of recent American history, which is this. And by 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.040 the way, I was one of those people. I was 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:52.159 a college professor who taught on zoom. I didn't have 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:54.400 to leave my house. I could get DoorDash, I could 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.080 get things delivered if I went out and exposed myself, 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.840 like to get groceries and stuff. It was very, very rare. 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:04.440 That privilege on my part was built on the backs 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:08.880 of so called you know, essential workers, which was an 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:11.640 incredible piece of rhetoric that we put out them right 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.679 and basically and you're exactly right, not only did we 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.719 not pay those people more, we have not advocated for 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:22.320 reform of our medical system. We haven't pushed for anything 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.439 to actually help any of these people outside of like 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:27.920 a couple of things that, by the way, Larry Summers 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.600 had to go and tell Joe Mansion it was okay 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:33.120 to vote on that. If you need to know how 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.199 this stuff works, that's how it works. It's important to 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:39.280 point this out. America is built not just on a 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:43.359 class system, but on a very very rigid class system 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.760 that people don't want to admit. This is one of 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.520 the reasons why you have a lot of people who 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:53.200 are espoused liberals, right, they're like, listen, I care about people. 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:55.800 I don't want people to be hurt. But guess what, 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.919 A lot of your existence as a middle class white 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.760 color work in this country is built and predicated on 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.879 the suffering of poor people and people of color. I 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.600 come from like a family of factory workers and labors. 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:10.760 Let me tell you something. They didn't get to stay 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.320 at home, they didn't get to work on zoom. Every 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:15.399 single day, they went out and put their lives on 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.840 the line. That cruelty. This is one of the reasons 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:21.600 why we're facing a crisis in this country because the 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:25.520 history shows us that as authoritarianism grows, and we have 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:27.320 a bunch of myths about this, by the way, the 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:32.639 myth that, oh, authoritarian dictators they're such good speakers, Like 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:37.160 their speeches are so good, the words are so carefully 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:40.120 chosen that it hypnotizes the masses, and the next thing 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:42.479 you know, you're wearing an armband and goose stepping down 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:46.480 the avenue. That's not what it's about. The authoritarian dictators 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:49.080 come in and say we're going to make this place 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.800 work because there's a crisis in capitalism, and guess who 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:56.880 lines up to support them. The middle class, particularly the 0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:01.720 white middle class. And this into everything that we're talking about. 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:04.359 You have people in the media, you have a political class. 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:06.919 They'll sit there and they'll say, I care about people, 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:10.080 I don't want them to be exploited. But meanwhile, down 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.959 underneath it all, there's a conflict, right because they have power, 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:16.760 they have wealth, they have influence. This is one of 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:19.640 the reasons why our media class just can't see the problem. 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:22.960 What's everybody pulling their hair about it? Meanwhile, you know, 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:24.639 some of us are yelling about it, and people have 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:27.520 color been yelling about it their entire lives, right, because 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:30.199 that contradiction has always been there, and this is one 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:32.879 of the reasons why we see places like CNN and 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:37.159 are like quote unquote liberal institutions that are normalizing this. 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:41.480 They want a strong man, they want authoritarianism to an extent. 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:43.920 They just they wish that it didn't come with the 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:47.000 vulgarity of Donald Trump. You know. They yeah, like, and 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.560 that's why they love Ronda Santis because he's he's Trumpian, 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:54.600 but he's not Donald Trump. He doesn't have those eccentricities, right. 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:58.480 He just he makes the trains run on time. Right, 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:00.560 That's what they want, That's what they love, and they 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:05.359 will mainstream that. Meanwhile, we have come out of this pandemic, 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:09.600 and pandemics throughout history they always lead to a realignment. 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.040 There's always a moment. So like one of the most 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:15.400 major parts in history is the Bubonic plague. The Bubonic 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.920 plague finished off feudalism. People all of a sudden, they 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:21.040 looked up and they said, why am I working on 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:24.480 your land and not getting paid anything? And they walked 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:26.960 away and they went to the cities and they got 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:29.440 jobs and they got paid more, and it actually broke 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.120 it down and led to the creation of capitalism, which 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:35.240 took feudalism and then turned it into a different form 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:39.240 of exploitation. Well, now we've reached this point, and this 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:41.199 is one of the reasons why we are coming up 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:43.800 on a point of crisis. We've reached this point where 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:48.280 the pandemic literally created a new balance of power between 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:52.720 workers and employers. Right, yeah, And we don't need to 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:54.919 get totally into the weeds on this thing. This is 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:57.840 one of the reasons why they're raising interest rates. You, like, 0:23:57.920 --> 0:23:59.840 if you actually hear the speeches, if you read this 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:03.720 is the meetings, they're saying, we have to rebalance the 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:07.600 power between labor and employers. It's out of whack. So 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.680