1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Good morning, Peepsen. Welcome to Bookayeff Daily with me your 2 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Homebunker. Folks, I'm not 3 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: going to spend too much time on today's introduction, as 4 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: I want you to get to the interview that I 5 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: just did. You know, often in this work I have 6 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: the privilege of sitting down and speaking one on one 7 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: with some of the most brilliant minds, people who I 8 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: really believe whose voice, presence, writing deserves accolades upon accolades. 9 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: Jaredy eight Sexton is, in my humble opinion, absolutely beyond. 10 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: He's a political analyst. He is the co host of 11 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: the Muckerak podcast. He is the author of the upcoming 12 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: book that will be available January twenty twenty three, The 13 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: Midnight Kingdom, A History of Power, Paranoia and the Coming Crisis. 14 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: I had an amazing time in this jam packed close 15 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: to forty minute conversation with Jared where we really unpack 16 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: the crises that are at hand and what our future 17 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: looks like. And frankly, you know, it's not often I mean, 18 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: you guys know that I am a person that is 19 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: ye of little hope, but it isn't often that I 20 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: honestly get to get into the nitty gritty as to 21 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: why I am of little faith as to why we 22 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: need to understand that what we are fighting for is 23 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: a future that we may not see right, and that 24 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: is actually the responsibility of each generation to fight so 25 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: that the generations that come behind us don't have to 26 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: remake the wheel. But in the fight that is impending, 27 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: the fight for our democracy, the fight for our bodily autonomy, 28 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: the fight for our civil liberties, we may be just 29 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: at the precipice of the darkness, and we may not 30 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: see the light again, but that should not stop us 31 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: from doing everything that is within our power to make 32 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: it so that there is another side, right, that some 33 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: generation does get to the other side, and that sometimes, folks, 34 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: it is necessary to break shit down, to break it apart, 35 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: to have a breakdown, in order to have a breakthrough. 36 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: So Jared and I pull absolutely no punches in this conversation. 37 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: I hope that you enjoy it as much as I did. 38 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: Coming up next, my conversation with political analysts, co host 39 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: of the muck Rake Podcast, an author of the upcoming 40 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: book The Midnight Kingdom, A History of Power, Paranoia, and 41 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: the Coming crisis. Folks, I am very excited to welcome 42 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: to okay f Daily for the first time author all 43 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: Around Badass jaredy eight Sexton, who has a new book 44 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: that will be coming out in January twenty twenty three, 45 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: The Midnight Kingdom, The History of Power, Paranoia and the 46 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: Coming Crisis. He is also author of the twenty twenty 47 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: book American Rule, How a nation configure conquered the world 48 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: but failed its people. Jared, thank you so much for 49 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: making the time to join woke F. I want to 50 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: talk about what we have been seeing over the course 51 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: of the last several months, which is the normalization of 52 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: dehumanization and brutality and cruelty as it pertains to the 53 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: migrant crisis in this country, and what both Governor Abbott 54 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: in Texas and Governor Descantis in Florida have been doing 55 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: when they have decided to either bus or most recently, 56 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: charter planes to bamboozo migrants into believing desperate people into 57 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: believing that there is work, housing, food, a better life 58 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: on the other side of this transit. And then they 59 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: arrive and they're dropped off on a tarmac or abandon 60 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: in front of a building, and there are photo ops, 61 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: and you know, they get to replay this humiliation and 62 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: dehumanization on Fox News for political points. But what's worse 63 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: is that our media is complicit in the continuation of this. 64 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: And so I want to get your thoughts on how 65 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: this level of normalization is really getting to the core 66 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: of the destruction of the values, most values this country 67 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: was actually built on. Yeah, this stunt. We were talking 68 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: a little bit about this before, like just how repulsive 69 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: this thing was, And I want to call it what 70 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: it is because a lot of the time we get 71 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: caught up in the idea that this is a stunt 72 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: or a game or some sort of political move, which 73 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 1: is what our media is portrayed. As we're talking about living, 74 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: breathing human beings. We're talking about some of the most 75 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: vulnerable people on the face of the earth right now, Families, children, 76 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: months old babies who were being used by some of 77 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: those powerful people in the United States as part of 78 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: this stunts, as part of this giant manipulation. And I 79 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: want to point out that what does that show us. 80 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: It shows us that these people do not see these living, 81 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: breathing human beings as human beings. They're treating them like trash. 82 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: It's literally the equivalent of a political stunt where there's 83 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: some sort of I don't know, trash strike and as 84 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: a result, you throw your garbage bags on like the 85 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: lawns of the people in charge. What this is and 86 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: it reveals like the deep, deep, corrosive white supremacy that 87 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: is at the heart of not only the Republican Party 88 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: but also the powerful in this country. Because what is 89 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: happening at this point is that the Republican Party is 90 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: not just a worsening political project. They're representing a lot 91 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: of forces and a momentum that's taking place in this country. 92 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: We obviously have seen for years now these people have 93 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: been put in camps. This is one of the stories. Hardly, 94 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: it hardly rose up to the public consciousness. There were 95 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: four sterilizations. The amount of abuse that took place in 96 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: these camps like this was for years and years and years, 97 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: and it was not limited to just the Trump administration. 98 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: This has been a continual abuse of these people who 99 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: have been dehumanized and brutalized constantly. Occasionally, you know, we'll 100 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: talk about it and there will be a moment where 101 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: politically we'll talk about who's winning here, who's winning there? 102 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: Our media class and our political class have shared that 103 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: view that these are not actual human beings that you 104 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: necessarily need to treat humanely. It just so happens that 105 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: the Republican Party says it out loud. These types of 106 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: stunts are open expressions of that. The fact that our 107 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: media is normalizing this, that they're calling this a protest, 108 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: that they're saying it was a political move. Some people 109 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: are criticizing it. Notice how the headlines sort of treat this. 110 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: What we're watching is this immigration quote unquote crisis, which 111 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: is what they always call it, right, which is actually 112 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: a humanitarian crisis. It's just being treated as what do 113 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: you do with all of these people because we in 114 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: the United States, we don't have enough resources to take 115 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: care of them, which is absolute hogwash. It's absolutely absurd. 116 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: So we're reaching this point in our political environment where 117 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: so called liberals, people who are supposed to care about 118 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: these people, they're saying, listen, I wish we could treat 119 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: them better, but we just we can't. We just don't 120 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: have the resources. We don't have the things, and you 121 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: and I both know things are going to get worse 122 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: as climate change starts to knockout resources starts to actually 123 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: like corrode away of land, and this immigration crisis that 124 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: everybody keeps talking about, this humanitarian crisis, is only going 125 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: to grow and grow. So what we're seeing from Abbot, 126 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: what we're seeing from the Santis, this is an early 127 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: preview of where all of this is going unless the 128 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: United States of America has an actual reckoning with first 129 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: of all, where we come from, who we are, what 130 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: we've done, and how we treat people who are not considered, 131 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, worthy human beings. So this is actually an 132 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: expression of something that is latent within the American character 133 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: and culture, and it just so happens that now it's 134 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: coming to the forefront because this crisis grows and grows 135 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: and grows, and we're sort of we're sprinting towards a 136 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: cliff right now. So this type of cruelty, it's only 137 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: going to get worse, you know. It's I want to 138 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: stay with this for a moment because I think that 139 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: what has happened, and obviously we saw it magnify during 140 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: the Trump administration, but it is the acceptance of a 141 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: certain level of cruelty, right it is, you know, we 142 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: went from revering and applauding essential workers at the height 143 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen, to beating teachers up for wanting to 144 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: have mask mandates, to sending in bomb threats to hospitals 145 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: that are caring for people and saying that this is 146 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: a hoax and you're killing these people. This all does 147 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: stem from a part of what your upcoming book is about, 148 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: which is paranoia and the politics of paranoia and how 149 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: when we're able to set it as well as the 150 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: Republican Party has that the only thing that grows from there, 151 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: as far as I can see as a student of history, 152 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: is violence, right, is authoritarianism, is fascism. So I want 153 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: you to speak about the politics of paranoia and the 154 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: how the insidiousness in which we are trying to defund 155 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: our public education system and stop the learning of our 156 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: history as a way to continue fueling that reality that 157 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: they want us to believe, that alternate reality of their 158 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: coming for us. Yeah, and to go ahead. I think 159 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: public education is a really really troubling but perfect way 160 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: to look at all of this. So, on one hand, 161 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: the attack on public education is absolutely about trying to 162 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: push a curriculum which all these people are that goes 163 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: ahead and whitewashes America's history of inequality, America's history of 164 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: white supremacy, misogyny, you name it. This is about going 165 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: ahead and sort of repairing a break in the dam. 166 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: Like as we're talking about what actual history is, they 167 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: see that is like incredibly dangerous, right because it reveals 168 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: what has actually happened and what this entire American project, 169 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: how we've arrived at this point. Because if you start 170 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: putting things together all of a sudden, you can have 171 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: mass politics, you can actually push for change and and 172 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: you know, some sort of course correction. So on one hand, 173 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: it's absolutely about controlling information. And if you look at history, 174 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: reactionary causes always go after education first. That's the first 175 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: thing that they do. They call teachers traders, they call them, 176 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, enemies of the people, they call them, you know, 177 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: dangerous threats. That's always what happens. But there's a twin 178 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: part of this that reveals a larger thing. All of 179 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: these sort of quote unquote grassroots groups that are going 180 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: after CRT or you know, groomers in public education, they're 181 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: all being funded by wealthy, wealthy donors and their their 182 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: constellation of think tanks and institutes and the reason that 183 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: they're doing that is not in order to control history 184 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: and information. It's also to destroy public education in totality. 185 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: They want to go ahead and privatize it because and 186 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to say trillion with a T, this 187 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: is a potential trillion dollar industry privatizing public education. So 188 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: what's happening in the middle of all of this. You 189 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: can't have a Koke brother who comes out and says, 190 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: my plans are to destroy public education and make billions 191 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: of dollars. That doesn't work right because people are going 192 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: to hear, oh wait a second, you want to make 193 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: sure that my child not only doesn't get an education, 194 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: but also that they're going to make less money, which 195 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: is part of this. Like, if you think this is 196 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: going to stop at Roe v. Wade, it's going to 197 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: We're talking about gay marriage, but we're also talking about 198 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: things like minimum wage, we're talking about workplace regulations. An 199 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: oversight like it's the rolling back of all of the 200 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: progress of the twentieth century. So you can't go out 201 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: and say this is what I'm doing for my own profit, 202 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: for my own empowerment and basically to finish off my 203 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: takeover of government and public industries, so you have to 204 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: create a story. And what this group always does, and 205 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: again this is historical, is it's the playbook. And it's 206 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: really kind of disturbing how predictable it is. What you 207 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: do is you make up a story that explains why 208 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: things are the way they are, why people are suffering, 209 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: but you take your blame and you transfer it over. So, 210 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: for instance, you'll notice that in all of these stories, 211 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: and I'm talking about in the New York Times and 212 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: the Washington Post, all of them, they all talk about 213 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: there's something happening in the country. We don't know why, 214 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: there's some sort of anti democratic crisis that's taking place, 215 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: and people who have just been paid millions of dollars 216 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: to diagnose the problems. And by the way, the problems 217 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: are always a moral crisis, right, it's always the nuclear 218 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: family has fallen off. People. Aren't you going to church enough? 219 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: These people who've been paid millions of dollars to know everything, 220 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: they just can't figure out what's going on, Like, who 221 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: knows what's happening. It's a democratic crisis, but they can't 222 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: figure it out. And the reason is this, all of 223 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: these stories, all of these conspiracy theories they take the 224 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: onus off of the wealthy who have just not only 225 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: become historically wealthy as they've created inequality, but they've started 226 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: to take over the government. They've corrupted the government with 227 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: special interests. They've basically bought off members of both parties. 228 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: The Republican Party is only a pr front for these 229 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: people at this point. It goes ahead and it takes 230 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: the spotlight off of this unequal capitalist system that they 231 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: have completely run rough shot over, and it says, no, 232 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: it's not economic inequality. The problem is satanic cabals, right, 233 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: And it's always this supernatural evil capital evil, right. And 234 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: what it does is it basically says that there are 235 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: people who are serving Satan, who are serving and you 236 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: know with Alex Jones, Q yeah, Q and on, it's 237 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: extra dimensional stuff. They're they're abusing children, they're doing all this. 238 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: And you'll notice in all of this what always gets 239 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: lost is the simplest explanation, which is this is because 240 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: wealthy people want to agree more wealthy, Yeah, And it 241 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: always is a detour that goes around it. So all 242 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: of this paranoia, all of these conspiracy theories, they are 243 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: intentional weapons. They go ahead and hide what's happening. And 244 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, they always grow and grow and grow. 245 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: Whenever people get sick of this, they say, I'm so 246 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: tired of working this hard, of being treated this way. 247 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: The government obviously doesn't serve me. And then the wealth 248 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: they say, hey, by the way, let's tell you some stories. 249 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: And those stories are always to that purpose. And I 250 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, the destruction of public education it makes 251 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: it less possible to fight back against those conspiracy theories 252 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: because they go ahead and they fill the vacuum of ignorance, 253 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: and that superstition grows, and then you have the I 254 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: was just talking on my podcast yesterday about the satanic 255 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: panic when you have a conservative push, right when they 256 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: take over the government and they take over power, all 257 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you start talking about demons and possessions 258 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: and evil spirits lurking in the dark. And what you're 259 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: not talking about is the corruption by the wealthy of 260 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: the government and the buying off of the public sphere. 261 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: It's it's a perfect distraction and it's and it's worked 262 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: for generations. You know what's so wild to me? I 263 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: mean all of that like brilliant. It's like every alarm 264 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: bell just went off. What is so wild to me 265 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: is how people fall for it all the time. Because 266 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: I want to use again COVID nineteen as kind of 267 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: the perfect model of what has happened to our idea 268 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: and understanding of work and workers. Right, So we have 269 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, the beginning of the COVID nineteen pandemic. We 270 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: shut down this country, and and you have only a 271 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: handful of people who barely make minimum wage, if minimum 272 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: wage was even passed in their states. Right to be 273 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: the ones that are going out to get you your groceries, 274 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: that are bringing you your food to your house so 275 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: that you can stay safe. But it was the poor 276 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: and people of color that we said, here's this flimsy 277 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: cloth mask, you go face the virus, so that I right, me, 278 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 1: middle class and up people can stay wrapped in the 279 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: safety of the cocoon of my home. Okay, we applaud 280 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: those people. We don't call for an increase in minimum wage. 281 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: We don't call for, you know, a mandatory maximum of tipping. 282 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: We do nothing. We just applaud them, We say thank you. 283 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: Then after a little while we get annoyed with that 284 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: many people who are privileged were able to continue to 285 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: work from home. Right, who then realized why the hell 286 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 1: is I spending eight to ten hours a day in 287 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: this cubicle, in this office, not being able to see 288 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: my kids, not being able to cook my dinner, not 289 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: being able to just live my life because I had 290 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: these overlords that told me that if I wasn't in 291 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: this space for eight to ten hours a day, the 292 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: entire society would collapse. Well it didn't, right, And now 293 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: you have a younger generation of people who have graduated 294 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: from school within this context of I actually don't need 295 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: to be miserable. I don't need to bide my time 296 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: for thirty forty years. So Jared, it seems really convenient 297 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: then that we would find ourselves in this place where 298 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,959 Speaker 1: I have a president of the United States had just 299 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: said that the COVID nineteen pandemic was over. I got, 300 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: you know, people telling me, well, you know, folks need 301 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: to come back to work because you know, we need 302 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: to have more community at work. Right, We're a family here. 303 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: Capitalism isn't about family, right, So I just it's so 304 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: let us all tell these stories about how young people 305 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: are so desperate for the community of the water cooler, 306 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: so that then we all have to go back into 307 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: this grind, into this machine because the higher the overlords 308 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: are not going to be able to make as much 309 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: money if people recognize that they actually don't need to 310 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: work as hard. So let me tell you the new 311 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 1: narrative of quiet quitting, meaning I recognize my value as 312 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: a human being and I'm no longer going to allow 313 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 1: you to treat me like a mule. Yeah. And by 314 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: the way, this is one of the reasons I Julie said, 315 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: come on this show, because let's talk about some stuff 316 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: to start with. What you just brought up in terms 317 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: of like the lockdown is one of the most telling 318 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: parts of recent American history, which is this. And by 319 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: the way, I was one of those people. I was 320 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: a college professor who taught on zoom. I didn't have 321 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: to leave my house. I could get DoorDash, I could 322 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: get things delivered if I went out and exposed myself, 323 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: like to get groceries and stuff. It was very, very rare. 324 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: That privilege on my part was built on the backs 325 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: of so called you know, essential workers, which was an 326 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: incredible piece of rhetoric that we put out them right 327 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: and basically and you're exactly right, not only did we 328 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 1: not pay those people more, we have not advocated for 329 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: reform of our medical system. We haven't pushed for anything 330 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: to actually help any of these people outside of like 331 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: a couple of things that, by the way, Larry Summers 332 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: had to go and tell Joe Mansion it was okay 333 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: to vote on that. If you need to know how 334 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: this stuff works, that's how it works. It's important to 335 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: point this out. America is built not just on a 336 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: class system, but on a very very rigid class system 337 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: that people don't want to admit. This is one of 338 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: the reasons why you have a lot of people who 339 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: are espoused liberals, right, they're like, listen, I care about people. 340 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: I don't want people to be hurt. But guess what, 341 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: A lot of your existence as a middle class white 342 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: color work in this country is built and predicated on 343 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: the suffering of poor people and people of color. I 344 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: come from like a family of factory workers and labors. 345 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. They didn't get to stay 346 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: at home, they didn't get to work on zoom. Every 347 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: single day, they went out and put their lives on 348 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: the line. That cruelty. This is one of the reasons 349 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: why we're facing a crisis in this country because the 350 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: history shows us that as authoritarianism grows, and we have 351 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of myths about this, by the way, the 352 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: myth that, oh, authoritarian dictators they're such good speakers, Like 353 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: their speeches are so good, the words are so carefully 354 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: chosen that it hypnotizes the masses, and the next thing 355 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 1: you know, you're wearing an armband and goose stepping down 356 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: the avenue. That's not what it's about. The authoritarian dictators 357 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: come in and say we're going to make this place 358 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: work because there's a crisis in capitalism, and guess who 359 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: lines up to support them. The middle class, particularly the 360 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: white middle class. And this into everything that we're talking about. 361 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: You have people in the media, you have a political class. 362 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: They'll sit there and they'll say, I care about people, 363 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: I don't want them to be exploited. But meanwhile, down 364 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 1: underneath it all, there's a conflict, right because they have power, 365 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: they have wealth, they have influence. This is one of 366 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: the reasons why our media class just can't see the problem. 367 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: What's everybody pulling their hair about it? Meanwhile, you know, 368 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: some of us are yelling about it, and people have 369 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: color been yelling about it their entire lives, right, because 370 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: that contradiction has always been there, and this is one 371 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: of the reasons why we see places like CNN and 372 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: are like quote unquote liberal institutions that are normalizing this. 373 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: They want a strong man, they want authoritarianism to an extent. 374 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: They just they wish that it didn't come with the 375 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: vulgarity of Donald Trump. You know. They yeah, like, and 376 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: that's why they love Ronda Santis because he's he's Trumpian, 377 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: but he's not Donald Trump. He doesn't have those eccentricities, right. 378 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: He just he makes the trains run on time. Right, 379 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: That's what they want, That's what they love, and they 380 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: will mainstream that. Meanwhile, we have come out of this pandemic, 381 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: and pandemics throughout history they always lead to a realignment. 382 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: There's always a moment. So like one of the most 383 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: major parts in history is the Bubonic plague. The Bubonic 384 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: plague finished off feudalism. People all of a sudden, they 385 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: looked up and they said, why am I working on 386 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: your land and not getting paid anything? And they walked 387 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: away and they went to the cities and they got 388 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: jobs and they got paid more, and it actually broke 389 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: it down and led to the creation of capitalism, which 390 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: took feudalism and then turned it into a different form 391 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: of exploitation. Well, now we've reached this point, and this 392 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: is one of the reasons why we are coming up 393 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: on a point of crisis. We've reached this point where 394 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: the pandemic literally created a new balance of power between 395 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: workers and employers. Right, yeah, And we don't need to 396 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: get totally into the weeds on this thing. This is 397 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why they're raising interest rates. You, like, 398 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: if you actually hear the speeches, if you read this 399 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: is the meetings, they're saying, we have to rebalance the 400 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: power between labor and employers. It's out of whack. So 401 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: as a result, maybe a little recession could help make 402 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: people more desperate to go to work. Can we pass, 403 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, legislation that will possibly make this happen. Meanwhile, 404 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: you're exactly right, we have reached a point post of well, 405 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: I've belt said post pandemic, but it's still raging. Man. 406 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: It's weird how those I know get in your head. 407 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: We've reached this point where we are sort of reaching 408 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: the possibility where labor might grow again. Like we're at 409 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: like the first time in I want to say fifty years, 410 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: the approval of labors off the charts right in terms 411 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: of unions and solidarity. That doesn't work for the people 412 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: who pay for government, who have corrupted the government. They 413 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: need people to go to work. They need people to 414 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: come out into the offices, because it's not just about 415 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: watching over them. Middle management is could completely just blow 416 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: away tomorrow and everything be pretty fine, right, But they 417 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: also it helps with real estate, it helps with these downtowns, 418 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: Like the economy wants all of these people to go 419 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: and circulate the money and all of this. If the 420 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: people are going to rise up, if they're going to 421 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: form labor unions, if they're going to demand better working 422 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: conditions because they're like I deserve better, well guess what 423 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: a strong man is going to need to come along. 424 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: And this is one of the reasons we've seen the 425 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: rise of Christian nationalism. This is one of the reasons 426 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: we've seen the rise of anti democratic energies in this 427 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: country because the wealthy I've reached a point where they 428 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: have so dominated the sphere that people are like, screw this, 429 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: this is obviously unfair. I'm not represented in government I'm 430 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: not respected at work. I got fed into the maw 431 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: of a murderous generational pandemic. I deserve better and so 432 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: as a result, now it's going to come to a 433 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: point where someone has to put things right, you know, 434 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: based on what these people want. Hey, I'm David Plots 435 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: of Slaves Political Gabfest. As another election season accelerates, it 436 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: can be tricky to sort through all the noise and 437 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: the news. 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Right, you know that this only Jared, It 461 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: only goes in one direction, right, And so I want 462 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: you to like and again, I try and paint a 463 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: very clear picture of where things are headed. I remember 464 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen when I started woke a f and I said, 465 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: this ship is going to get bloodier before it gets better. 466 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: I said it on repeat as Donald Trump was ascending 467 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: to the White House. I'm like, this is the beginning, 468 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: literally of the end. I called it on national television. 469 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: White Supremaci's last stand. Right. I didn't say how long 470 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: that stand would be, but I said it was going 471 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: to be the last one. I will now tie in 472 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: capitalism based on where we are and what has happened 473 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: with this pandemic and continues to happen with the stories 474 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: that are being told about workers. People are lazy, they're quiet, 475 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: quitting all of this narrative that is coming down from 476 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: on top. So Jared tell us, where does this go right? 477 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: Because you say in your upcoming book that there is 478 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: an impending crisis. We're already living in compacted crisis. So 479 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: what is the next one? Yeah, so basically we are 480 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: sort of in I would say, the labor pains of 481 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: a larger thing that is coming down the pike. And 482 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's really I'm with you. I was talking 483 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: about this in twenty sixteen when I was like going 484 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: into Trump rallies and talking to people, and people are like, 485 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: that's absurd, He'll never get elected. And on top of that, 486 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: like this is just hysterical hair pulling. Everything is fine, 487 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: the system will go ahead and regurgitate it. Meanwhile, one 488 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: of the things that kept getting lost in this is 489 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: that the American system of government was created specifically to 490 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: go ahead and reward the wealthy, the white, and the 491 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: powerful and keep everybody else in control. It was supposed 492 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: to give us the illusion of representative government. This is 493 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: the reason why we have so many minoritarian machinations within 494 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: the government. This is one of the reasons we have 495 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: the electoral college, why the Senate was originally not direct voting, right, 496 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: and also why it's still sort of populated the way 497 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: that it is. The House of Representatives was almost supposed 498 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: to be like, hey, check this out, you have democracy, 499 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, all the courts over here. It's like, no, no, 500 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: don't you don't act. We've reached this point now where 501 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: the illusions of the American myth, the idea of liberty, equality, freedom, 502 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: all those things. The American dream has always been a lie. 503 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: The meritocracy has always been a lie. It's a game 504 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: that was fixed for white, wealthy people, particularly white wealthy men. 505 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: Now that that that illusion is threadbare, this is one 506 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 1: of the things that happens when that illusion starts to 507 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: become see through, people demand that something changes because that 508 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: noble lie starts to lose its power. You have to 509 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: find a new noble lie. Yeah, And whenever we start 510 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: having these problems where wealth accumulates in a few hands, 511 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,719 Speaker 1: and it's not shocking that you're elon musks, your Peter Teels, 512 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: your cokes. They consider democracy the biggest inimy that they 513 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: have ye period. They see that as their one impediment 514 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: of power. This plays out over and over and over again. 515 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: We've seen it with everything from the original slave even 516 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: companies which took over their governments and outgrew the nations 517 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: that birth them. Right, all of these things always go 518 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,239 Speaker 1: in one direction, which is you reach a point of 519 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 1: economic and political and institutional crisis, and then it's a 520 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: moment of malleability. It can go in a couple of 521 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: different ways. And I always tell people I actually am 522 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: optimistic because humanity does continue to win these battles. Right, 523 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: there will be something that flares up, whether it's the 524 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: Gilded Age, whether it's fascism, Nazism, you name it. They'll happen, 525 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: and then people will eventually work their way out of it. 526 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that we'll live. I hope. The wheels 527 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: were starting to turn and I was like, I don't 528 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: know if I'll be here for the other side of it. Okay, no, 529 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: not necessarily, because we're getting ready to go into what 530 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: is probably going to be a long term crisis. And 531 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: one of the things that you see with this, it's 532 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: not just conspiracy theories. You start to see white supremacist 533 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories of a very specific type replacement theory, right 534 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: what we now call the deep state, or what QAnon says, 535 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: this is a longstanding white supremacist idea. And it breaks 536 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: down to this, which is democracy is dangerous because it 537 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: allows outsiders, which are Jews, by the way, it's an 538 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: anti Semitic conspiracy theory. It allows them to infiltrate the government, 539 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: rely on satanic traders, liberals, democrats, you name it, and 540 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: go ahead and manipulate people of color who don't know better, right, 541 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: because they're not smart enough to know better. And this 542 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: isn't just by the way, deep state, QAnon. This is 543 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: what happened during Civil rights, this is what happened during 544 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: both red scares. It's a continual use of these conspiracy 545 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: theories by the powerful, again to protect themselves. We are 546 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: reaching a point where this malleability can go in a 547 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: different a couple of different ways. One we can have 548 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: a better society, which means sharing resources and actually starting 549 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: to fix those minority Harry and infrastruct which, by the way, 550 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: involves learning actual history and learning how the Constitution was 551 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: actually created and who it was created for. You can 552 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: create a fairer future right and democracy. When it wins out, 553 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: it actually moves usually towards altarianism, or we can create 554 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: a new illusion. And that's what stuff like fascism and 555 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: Nazism did. It created a white supremacist mythology, It merged 556 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: with Christianity, it merged with national myths, and it created 557 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: a new myth Christian nationalism right now is what's on 558 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: the rise. And the reason it's on the rise is 559 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: because it's a new mythology. It goes ahead and reinforces 560 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: the old American mythology, the white supremacist mythology, the Christian mythology. 561 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, but things can change into her. You 562 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: can see all the progress of the twentieth century rolled back. 563 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: Look at Hungary, look at Russia. What do they do? 564 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: They take away your rights? They go ahead and say 565 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: this is a free and fair society. Meanwhile, it's completely 566 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: structured for all these for all these intentions oligarchs, and yeah, exactly, 567 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: So that's where we're going. The question is what wins out. 568 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: But where we're at right now, this is not sustainable 569 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: at all. And again talking about climate change like the 570 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: worst thing, inequality and the specter of climate change, all 571 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: of these things coming together, they are going to I mean, 572 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: it's it's going to be combustible, and I gotta tell 573 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: you it's going to be ugly one way or another, 574 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: and there's going to be bloodshed one way or another. 575 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: That's just going to happen. The question is what happens 576 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: on the other side of it, And that question is 577 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: still up in the air. You know. It's so fascinating 578 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 1: because I remember the first time, and people who listen 579 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: to this show know that I reference this book all 580 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: the time. The first time that I read Octavia Butler's 581 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: parable of the Sower series, and I said, there's no 582 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: way right that all that this perfect storm is created 583 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: Chris Show. Fascism, climate change, economic instability all happen at 584 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: the same time to birth this new dark, dystopian America, 585 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: right where each state is operating as its own fiefdom 586 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: and has built walls around itself because there is no 587 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,959 Speaker 1: longer any federal institution, any federal production. It's all been gutted. Right, 588 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: So each and every place you have to pay off 589 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: police much in the same way that you do that 590 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: in developing nations, right, because there is no there is 591 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: no one looking and making sure that everyone is on 592 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: the up and up. And so when you say that, 593 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, there's a couple of places that this goes. 594 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: The question will remain for the American people if they're 595 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: willing to go along for this ride. Yes, right, because 596 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: we're being taken for a ride and it's like, are 597 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: you buckling up for it? And again, this is one 598 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: of the reasons I was excited to talk to you, 599 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: because this is not pleasant stuff. And I want to 600 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: be very clear because people always say to me, they're like, 601 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: you know, this is like the Handmaid's Tale. That's always 602 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 1: the push, right, like after the overturning of Wade. Well, 603 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: I want to I want to speak some hard truths here. 604 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 1: When Pete, when when everybody said, oh Roe v. Wade's 605 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: going down, there's going to be the marches are never 606 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: going to stop. People won't deal with this. It's September, 607 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: late September. Yeah, the marches stopped. You know, there are 608 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: still there's still protest all of this, like part of 609 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: what has happened, and it goes to what you just said, 610 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: this idea that the federal oversight has been completely dismantled, right, 611 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: and that's intentional. That goes back to these oligarch that 612 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: we're talking about. We now have reached a point where 613 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: governors and this is why Abbott and de Santists are 614 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: doing what they're doing. Why why even Gavin Newsom is 615 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: doing what he's doing. At the state level is where 616 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: the power resides. Now, that's where the main focus on 617 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: things is, and you can get away with things like 618 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: overturning roev Wade why because people in blue states feel 619 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: like it's not going to affect them. Meanwhile, who's being affected. 620 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: It's people of color and poor people in states that 621 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: have already been raff and so and I'm sure you've 622 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: seen on social media as well, everybody like does this 623 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: thing where they blame people who live in red states, 624 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: like get out, just move, just move. And Meanwhile, what 625 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 1: has happened. It's turned into this dissection of America where 626 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: you have one side, like so called blue states that 627 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: are insulated from these type things. Right, So, when you 628 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: talk about something like a Handmaid's Tale or dystopias. This 629 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: authoritarian movement that we're talking about, it's going to be 630 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 1: felt in certain places. It's going to lead to massive 631 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: oppression in certain places, and in other places, life is 632 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,479 Speaker 1: going to feel a lot like what it feels like now. 633 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: It's almost like gated communities. Right, you can pay a 634 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: certain amount of money to be walled off from things. Yes, 635 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,479 Speaker 1: and neoliberalism, which by the way, is at the heart 636 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: of all of this. Neoliberalism is all about levels. You 637 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: pay a specific amount to go on the airplane first, right, 638 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: you pay a certain amount that you can bypass traffic 639 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: on the interstate, whatever it is. You are going to 640 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: reach a point where the dystopia in America is going 641 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,399 Speaker 1: to be something that you can pay to get your 642 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: way out of. You can live a very twenty twenty 643 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: two existence in the future that is away from the 644 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 1: oppression and way from that. You're going to have to 645 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: pay for it, but you have to pay for it. 646 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: And meanwhile, it's not going to be something like a 647 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: Handmaid's tale. You know, you see this thing where it's like, oh, 648 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: you've been informed on right, it's a spy network. Yeah, 649 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna have spies, but that's not what's happening here. 650 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 1: You have algorithmic technology that is historically powerful, and we're 651 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: already seeing the state use data from your phone, from 652 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 1: your search results, from your GPS whatever. We are talking 653 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: about the construction of something historically cruel. But going back 654 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: to what we were talking about with the middle class, 655 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: particularly the white middle class, they will allow authoritarianism. They 656 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: will they will embrace authoritarianism if it allows them to 657 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: keep their power, their privilege, and their safety, and it 658 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: pushes the cruelty off on vulnerable people like these migrants, 659 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: and they don't have to look at it, yea, if 660 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,280 Speaker 1: it can just be done over here, much like essential workers. 661 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: If I don't have to see them suffering, if I 662 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: don't have to see them intubated, if I don't have 663 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,320 Speaker 1: to see them dying and saying goodbye to their families 664 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: on iPads, then I'm okay with it and part of 665 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: the problem. And I just want to make this final 666 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: point on this point. One of the things that leads 667 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: to change in this country, such as civil rights. Middle 668 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: class white Americans were not necessarily rallying for civil rights 669 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: in the fifties. In the sixties, it was TV bringing 670 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: the suffering into their home. Civil rights activists made them 671 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: look at it, they made them smell it, they made 672 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: them confront it. That's what moved the needle on this. 673 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: But middle class white people particularly are fine with authoritarianism 674 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: in a lot of cases as long as they don't 675 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: have to witness it, and as long as it doesn't 676 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 1: make them feel guilty about their own privilege, which is 677 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: one of the upsetting and disturbing parts of this culture. 678 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: I mean, and that is you know, and I will 679 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: end here today. God, I could literally talk to you 680 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: for days, like a marathon podcasting. But you know, the 681 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: fact is that to me, that is the responsibility and 682 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: the power of the fourth estate. That is why it 683 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: is so imperative that people are paying attention to how 684 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 1: we are watching the crumbling of journalism and media under 685 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 1: the pressure of capitalism and greed, and that without those cameras, 686 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: without those conversations, without this analysis, that is clear of 687 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: partisan bullshit. But it's very obvious about what is happening 688 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: to you, you'll just allow it to continue. Yeah, but 689 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 1: we've been fed speaking in bullshit. We've been fed this 690 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: bullshit story that the media is liberal and left. That's 691 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: not the case. The media in a very very large sense. 692 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: First of all, it's through a corporate lens. It's owned 693 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: by giant corporations and billionaires like Jeff Bezos, who have 694 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: a very particular point of view, which is that capitalism 695 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,879 Speaker 1: is good. We don't need a lot of reform. Maybe 696 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: we look at Trump and we're disturbed by him, but 697 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: if we get rid of Trump, everything will be fine. Meanwhile, 698 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: who are the people who are working in journalism? And 699 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: I think you know this as well as I do. 700 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: That doesn't pay enough for people to live in New 701 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: York City and Washington, DC, in Los Angeles. These are 702 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: people who come from wealth and privilege. In a lot 703 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: of cases, their parents are subsidizing their careers in media journalism, 704 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: and or their parents are media moguls themselves. And so 705 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: what happens here You have a lot of people who 706 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: can't face this crisis. Why because if you agree that 707 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: the meritocracy is broken, the white supremacy and privilege is 708 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 1: what runs this country, right, and that is built on 709 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: the backs of suffering of the poor and people of color. 710 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,360 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you gotta look in the mirror 711 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: and you got to start wondering how you became like 712 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: one of the main journalists in the country, and how 713 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,720 Speaker 1: you became a best selling author and how you became 714 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 1: a media personality. That mythology of America is intertwined with 715 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: their own personal mythology, and they can't face it. They 716 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: just can't face it. And that's one of the reasons 717 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: they hated Trump. Trump made them think about it, and 718 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: they needed him gone. They needed Trump to get out 719 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: this absolutely incompetent but foonish, disgusting man. They needed him 720 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: to be gone so they could go back to their 721 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: own sort of privileged bubble and their own mythology could 722 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: be safe. And again, a lot of these people will 723 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: go along with this thing until the bitter end. God damn. 724 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: Jaredy eight Sexton, he must come back to woke aff 725 00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: His upcoming book is The Midnight King, A History of Power, Paranoia, 726 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: and the Coming Crisis, and he is the co host 727 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 1: of the muck Rake podcast, which you guys have got 728 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,359 Speaker 1: to listen to. Jared, I please, please please come back 729 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: and join us again. This was eye opening, It was incredible, 730 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 1: and I enjoyed the comvote so much. Well, thank you. 731 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite podcasts. So this was a 732 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 1: trade for me, thank you. That is it for me today. 733 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: Dear friends on woke a App as always, Power to 734 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 1: the people and to all the people. Power, get woke 735 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: and stay woke as fuck.