1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: Bombshell Tonight, the so called Ketamine Queen, a jet setter 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: out of la accused of selling Friends superstar Matthew Perry 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 2: a fatal dose of ketamine that killed him. Now guilty. 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us this after the so 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: called Ketamine Queen denies she even knew Matthew Perry. 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: What a liar. 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 2: In the last hours, we learn Javen Sanghaj is the 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 2: only one left standing after the death of beloved Friends 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: star Matthew Perry. For other defendants have reached guilty plea 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: agreements with the prosecutors, and I don't like any of them. 13 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: They're much too lenient. But Ketamine Queen guilty. Listen. 14 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: In a stunning admission that rips the mask off a 15 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: Hollywood drug ring, Jasvine Sangha, the notorious Ketamine Queen, has 16 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 3: confessed to peddling the lethal dose of the drug that 17 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 3: killed the beloved Friend's icon. The bombshell guilty plea, filed 18 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: in federal court on Monday, August eighteenth, marks the final 19 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: and most damning chapter in the legal fallout from the 20 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: star's untimely demise, sparing Sangha a trial. Known to millions 21 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 3: for his role as chandler bing on the hit NBC 22 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 3: sitcom Friends, Perry had long struggled with addiction. The fifty 23 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 3: four year old was discovered lifeless in the hot tub 24 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: of his Pacific Palisades home on October twenty eighth, twenty 25 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: twenty three, leaving a gaping void in the hearts of 26 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 3: millions of fans. The medical examiner ruled that ketamine, typically 27 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: used as a surgical anesthetic, was the primary cause of death. 28 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: While the star had a legal prescription for the drug 29 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: to treat his depression, he turned to the shadows when 30 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: his supply ran low. Prosecutors charge that Sangha fueled his addiction, 31 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 3: meeting him just four days before his death to sell 32 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 3: him twenty five vials of ketamine for six thousand bucks cash. 33 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: Here's US attorney Martin Estrada at a previous news conference. 34 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 4: We charge five defendants in this matter. These defendants took 35 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 4: advantage of mister Perry's addiction issues to enrich themselves. They 36 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 4: knew what they were doing was wrong. They knew what 37 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 4: they were doing was risking great danger to mister Perry, 38 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 4: but they did it anyways. 39 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 3: Sang Ha, forty two, is facing up to forty five 40 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 3: years behind bars for her part in the star's death. 41 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 3: She pleaded guilty to a slew of charges, including conspiracy 42 00:02:55,400 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: to distribute ketamine, maintaining a drug involved premises, possession with 43 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 3: intent to distribute methem fetamine and ketamine, and five counts 44 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: of ketamine distribution, with one charge directly tied to Perry's death. 45 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: She has been behind bars since her arrest in August 46 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, a culmination of an intensive federal investigation 47 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 3: that unraveled a sophisticated network preying on Hollywood's vulnerable elite. 48 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: Her plea hearing and sentencing are set to take place 49 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: in the coming weeks. The drug ring exploited Perry's struggles 50 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: with addiction, with Sangha and doctor Salvador Placentia at its core. 51 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: Sangha became the fifth and final defendant to strike a 52 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 3: plea agreement with federal prosecutors. Placentia had already pleaded guilty 53 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: to ketymine distribution in June, and other key players, including 54 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: Perry's assistant Kenneth Iwamasa, friend Eric Fleming, and doctor Mark Chavez, 55 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: took their own Plea deals to cooperate against Sangha. Text 56 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 3: messages cited in court documents painted a picture of Sangha's 57 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: illicit operation with Fleming, gushing to Ewo Masa that her 58 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 3: ketamine was quote unquote amazing and tailored for quote high 59 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 3: end and celebs. On the day of Perry's death, Sangha 60 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 3: allegedly told Fleming to delete their text messages, a calculated 61 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: move to cover her tracks. A March twenty twenty four 62 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 3: raid on Sangha's North Hollywood home unearthed a massive stash 63 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: of ketamine, methamphetamine, and other illicit drugs, solidifying her role 64 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 3: as a major dealer with sanghas plea. The case takes 65 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 3: a definitive turn toward closure, though none of the five 66 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: defendants have yet been sentenced for their crimes. 67 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: Here a few facts that could jog your recollection. 68 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: The so called Ketamine Queen who sales Friends star Matthew 69 00:04:54,960 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 2: Perry that deadly dose of ketamine, making a bill in 70 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: exchange for what. 71 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 5: Did the drug dealer dub The Ketamine Queen refer to 72 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 5: Matthew Perry by his friend's character name, and. 73 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: That would be his affinity. 74 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: Matthew Perry's affinity with Batman and he would call himself Mattman. 75 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: But according to sources, the so called Ketamine Queen Jasvine 76 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: Songhaar referred to him as Chandler in their texts and 77 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: emails when they would talk about drugs and drug deliveries 78 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: code named Chandler. Wow, that was a toughie with me 79 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: an All Star panel, but let's just go back to 80 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: reality listen. 81 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 6: Federal prosecutors allege that Perry first obtains ketamine from an 82 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 6: unscrupulous doctor aiming to take advantage of the actor's addiction issues. 83 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 6: Doctor Salvador Placentia teaches Perry's living assistant, Kenneth Ewa Massa, 84 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 6: how to administer the drug and provides ketamine to both 85 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 6: Perry and Ewamasa at exorbitant prices. When the drugs become 86 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 6: too expensive, Perry and Ewamasa turned to street dealers, including 87 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 6: Jazzvin's songha dubbed the Ketamine Queen. 88 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: What a very dear and intimate friend of Matthew Perry 89 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: says she doesn't think that ketamine is the cause of death. 90 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: Why and what would be the cause of death? 91 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: And what leads her to say that this is what 92 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: the medical examiner has to. 93 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 7: Say the Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four 94 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 7: year old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine. 95 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 7: Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and 96 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 7: the effects of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat opioid 97 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 7: use disorder. The manner of death has been ruled an accident. 98 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: Joining us an all star panel to make sense of 99 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: what we're learning right now, but with me a special guest. 100 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: Rowena Chew, activist and former assistant to Harvey Weinstein. His 101 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: name tastes like dirt in my mouth. Convicted on multiple rapes, 102 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: and she has just written a New York Times guest essay, 103 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: I was a celebrity assistant. 104 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: The power in balance is very real. Rowenach you thank 105 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: you for being with us. I enjoyed your article. 106 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: I read it several times over and I try to 107 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: compare what you're saying and your situation with Harvey Weinstein. 108 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: May he rot in hell two Matthew Perry's assistant number one. 109 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: Matthew Perry was not a criminal. I was not a 110 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: rapist number one. But you point out assistants often do 111 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: things that are let me just say, legally and ethically questionable. 112 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: In your case, what does that mean? In my case? 113 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,239 Speaker 8: I worked for Harvey for only a couple of months, 114 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 8: and so I didn't have the opportunity to do things 115 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 8: that were ethically and legally immoral. But I was making 116 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 8: the point that the power imbalance is so huge that 117 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 8: assistants don't get the chance to say no. 118 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: You also pointed out a quote that compared assistance that 119 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: may do illegal acts or unethical acts to the guards 120 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: at astwards that they knew what was happening was wrong, 121 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 2: And you make a very subtle yet important distinction explaining. 122 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 9: Comparison was really with. 123 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 8: Ordinary folks that lived in Nazi Germany, whether or not 124 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 8: you can hold them accountable for the events that happened 125 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 8: in the country. So I'm really making a point about 126 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 8: bystanders that don't have any real power themselves, and they 127 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 8: are essentially visible, or they don't have an identity of 128 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,359 Speaker 8: their own, and they don't have the autonomy to make decisions. 129 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 8: And so I feel that celebrity assistance I also called 130 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 8: them Butler's. I constantly felt that I was invisible, I 131 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 8: had no autonomy. Frequently didn't really have a name of 132 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 8: my own. I would call people up and stay, I'm 133 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 8: calling from Harvey Weinstein's office, but I wouldn't mention my 134 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 8: own name because I was add insignificant. So when you're 135 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 8: in a power balance where you're that insignificant, I think 136 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 8: it is incredibly difficult to be then thrust into the 137 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 8: spotlight and held responsible for something as serious as somebody's death. 138 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 8: I think that I am attempting to shed light on 139 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 8: the fact that Kenneth Iwamasa may have had absolutely zero 140 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 8: choice in a way that the ordinary person can't understand. 141 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 8: He was a living assistant. The power and balance would 142 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 8: have been enormous. 143 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: At the end of your article, I noted that you 144 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: stated it is often too easy to turn the butler 145 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: into the goat. Do you believe that Matthew Perri's assisted 146 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: who injected him with that deadly does. 147 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: Is a scape gut. 148 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 8: I think he might have been put in an incredibly 149 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 8: difficult situation. Not only was his employment on the line, 150 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 8: but likely his involvement in the industry as a whole. 151 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 8: It could have been that he did not have another residence, 152 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 8: and so as a living assistant, you know, really there's 153 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 8: a power back dynamic on many different levels. I also 154 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 8: think in the Weinstein case at least, that there were 155 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 8: many circles of power, enablement and entitlement that were far 156 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 8: more deserving of perhaps the legal system going after than assistants. 157 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 8: You know, for example, how the Weinstein had accountants and 158 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 8: board members that certainly knew of what was happening. So 159 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 8: I think the assistants. I'm merely making the point that 160 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 8: the assistants, I suppose, are the lowest rung on the ladder, 161 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 8: and I think to hold them accountable and responsible for 162 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 8: the actions taken by a celebrity, it doesn't take into 163 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 8: account the enormous power difference between a celebrity and his assistant. 164 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: Rowena che Is joining US activist former assistant to Harvey Weinstein, 165 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: who has just written a guest essay for The Times 166 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: titled I was a celebrity assistant. The power and balance 167 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: is very real miss to I deeply respect you and 168 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: what you have to say and your viewpoint, and I 169 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: highly highly disagree with you in your case or some 170 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: other assistants, not necessarily Weinstein's other assistants. Comparing that to 171 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: what Iro Massa did in Perry's case, knowing that he 172 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: had had seizures just sixteen days where he was unable 173 00:11:54,559 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: to move or speak after ketamine injection, knowing that I 174 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: consider this much much more serious. 175 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: But I'll circle back to you. 176 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 2: Missed you in just one moment, and again, I do 177 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: appreciate what you're saying, but I find it vastly, vastly 178 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 2: different than the case of Matthew Perry's assistant. 179 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: Speaking of the facts, let's go to kill a. 180 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 2: Brantley joining us investigative reporter. What I find very interesting 181 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 2: right now is that it's all business as usual. Matthew 182 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: Perry dies in the hot tub with a fatal overdose. 183 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: The doctor is already back at work. 184 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: Taking patients like nothing happened. He had to put up 185 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 2: like one hundred thousand dollars bond. Really that's ten thousand dollars, 186 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: and regular people talk you put up ten percent. 187 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: He's gone, he's out. 188 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: The so called ketamine queen has not been sentenced. 189 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: The assistant, Kenneth Ewamasa, has not been sentenced. Why I 190 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: think that the Feds. 191 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a cat with a little mouse, 192 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: just back and forth and back and forth until it 193 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: bites its head off. 194 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: I think that's what the FEDS are doing right now. 195 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 2: They're playing toying with the various defendants in order to 196 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 2: get them to talk to name other celebrity doctors and 197 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: other pill meals headed by doctors in LA and other celebrities. 198 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 2: I think that's what's happening. But to you, Kiln Brandley, 199 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: Daily Mail, tell me the latest. We've got the doctor 200 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: back to work. A lot of people haven't been sentenced. 201 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: The other celebrity doctors, including one that just got shot 202 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: in the last day of Celebrity Doctor. He was assassinated 203 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: in his parking lot. 204 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: Following all of the. 205 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 2: Drama surrounding Matthew Perry's death and what's being uncovered, Hamid 206 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 2: Mereshow Jay was shot in his parking lot. He was 207 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 2: a celeb doctor focusing on addiction. We now have identified 208 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: two potential victims, other victims of the Ketemine Queen. 209 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: Both dead crime stories with Nancy Grace. 210 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: The Ketemine Queen, one of the two biggest targets in 211 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: the investigation of Matthew Perry's death, along with the doctor, 212 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:29,479 Speaker 2: doctor Salvador Placentia, who just played guilty to Ketymine distribution. 213 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he got a light deal Now, remember Matthew 214 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: Perry's personal assistant, his friend and another doctor also took 215 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: guilty please and are cooperating. You know what that means. 216 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: They're going to rat her out. What more do we 217 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: know about the case against the so called ketamine queen. 218 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 5: You only die when you use needles. Matthew Perry's ex 219 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 5: makes a shocking claim about his needle phobia, casting doubt 220 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 5: on his ketamine death. 221 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: Me psychoanalyst to the Stars, doctor Bethany Marshall, author of 222 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: deal Breaker, and you can also see her on peacock 223 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: and find her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com dot Bethany. 224 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: I want to circle back with you about this doctor. 225 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: This doctor knew very well that Matthew Perry had actually 226 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: seized up. In other words, he could not speak or 227 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 2: move for an extended period of time to sixteen days 228 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 2: before he died. Yet everything was business as usual. 229 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 10: Listen details of Perry's last days in a federal indictment 230 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 10: reveal it was very clear to doctor Placentia that Perry's 231 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 10: ketemine injections were causing a total loss of awareness. The 232 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 10: indictment documents three separate occasions where Perry froze up after 233 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 10: receiving the medication, with Placentia commenting, let's not do that again. 234 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 4: Defendant Placenta knew full well the danger of what he 235 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 4: was doing. In fact, on one occasion, he injected mister 236 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 4: Perry with ketemine and he saw mister Perry freeze up 237 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 4: and his blood pressure spike. Despite that, he left additional 238 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 4: vials of ketamine for defendant Iwamasa to administer to mister Perry. 239 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: Joining me, Todd Barr, Doctor Todd Barr Board certified anatomic 240 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: clinical forensic pathologist. 241 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm very curious. 242 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: Oh yes, he's also featured in Thin Places Essays Essays. 243 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: From in Between doctor, thank you for being with us. 244 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: I've been researching and investigating what exactly happened to Matthew 245 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: Perry when. 246 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: He quote froze. 247 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: That's hardly a medical description, but I've learned that there 248 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: was apparently a significant spike in his systolic blood blood pressure. 249 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: What does high nancy? Thank you? 250 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 11: So a spike in his systolic blood pressure just means 251 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 11: that he is having a hypertensive crisis. His blood pressure 252 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 11: is elevated to a point. 253 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: Kay, right there, right there? What do you mean hypertensive crisis. 254 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 11: That means his blood pressure is at a high level, 255 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 11: such a high level that it could cause death. I mean, 256 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 11: people die from extreme fluctuations in their blood pressure. Blood 257 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 11: pressure is supposed to live in an average, in a 258 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 11: normal range. If you get too high, it's hypertensive. If 259 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 11: you get too low, it's hypotensive. And either of those 260 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 11: hyper or hypo can cause death. 261 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 2: So when he quote froze up, what does that indicate 262 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: to you? Is that some sort of a stroke or 263 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 2: a near stroke? What's a systolic spike in blood pressure? 264 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 11: I would say the term froze up to me sounds 265 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 11: more like a seizure like activity, like a tonic chlonic 266 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 11: seizure where the muscles contract and you get into this 267 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 11: Ketamine is actually known for its anti convulsive properties. It's 268 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 11: used to treat seizures, but in high doses it can 269 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 11: actually cause seizures. And as we know by the reports 270 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 11: that are out there, mister Perry was administered extremely high 271 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 11: doses of this this drug, ketamine, which is an anesthetic drug. 272 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 11: He was actually found with the levels that were compatible 273 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 11: with surgery, and that you know, anesthesia that you would 274 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 11: need for surgical procedures. 275 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: It reminds me a great deal of Conrad Murray injecting 276 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 2: Michael Jackson with propofol, and it took you know, hell 277 00:18:54,760 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 2: and high water to get Conrad Murray charged convicted, but 278 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 2: even that conviction was not enough to send sufficient shot 279 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: waves through the celebrity doctor network in Hollywood. 280 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: And now Matthew Perry is dead. 281 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 2: You know it's Cala Brandtley's joining me investigative reporter with 282 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: the Daily Mail. Kella, I understand that the doctor would 283 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: provide the medication, the ketamine, along with Kenemine queen for 284 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 2: the assistant to make at home ketamine injections. Now, I 285 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 2: heard what Rowena Chu said that the power balance is 286 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 2: way off, But shouldn't you know instinctively, especially after Perry 287 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: was having seizures just days before that you should not 288 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: be injecting ketamine to. 289 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: Matthew Perry at home. 290 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 2: I mean, this assistant needs to be in jail along 291 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 2: with the doctor and the ketamine queen, the straight supplier. 292 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 2: They all need to be in jail and we need 293 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 2: to know their sentences. So what's happening, cal I don't 294 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: understand what's the hold of right? 295 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 9: Well, Nanthy, I also want to break down exactly how 296 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 9: much ketymine was distributed to Matthew Perry. The doctors Chavis 297 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 9: and Placentia distributed twenty vials of ketymine to Perry for 298 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 9: fifty five thousand dollars in cash. That's charging him two 299 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 9: thousand dollars for a vial, and that vile cost doctor 300 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 9: chav Is just twelve dollars. So you can imagine how 301 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 9: much money they were making off Perry. And that's the 302 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 9: point that the prosecutors were making. Now, the Kedemy Queen Sanga, 303 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 9: she sold about fifty vials of the drugs to Perry 304 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 9: with Flemming delivering the product that they're Flemming the Hollywood producer, 305 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 9: and they sold it to him for eleven thousand dollars. 306 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 9: So these people were making a lot of money off 307 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 9: of Perry's addiction, and they clearly knew, as. 308 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: You said, seezing up. 309 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 9: And then you had the person who was injecting him, 310 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 9: who was his trusted assistant. 311 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 4: They distributed approximately twenty vials of ketamine to mister Perry 312 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 4: in exchange for fifty five thousand dollars in cash. Defendant 313 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 4: Placentia saw this as an opportunity to profit off of 314 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 4: mister Perry. He wrote in a text message in September 315 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, quote, I wonder how much this moron 316 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 4: will pay. He also stated in text messages that he 317 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 4: wanted to be mister. 318 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 5: Perry's sole source of supply. 319 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 4: He wrote in a text message that he wanted to 320 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 4: be mister Perry's quote go to for drugs. 321 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 5: Matthew Perry's assistant allegedly found Perry in similar circumstances two 322 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 5: times in the same week of his tragic. 323 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 2: Death, joining us Rowena Chew, former assistant to Harvey Weinstein, 324 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: who just wrote a New York Times guest essay, I 325 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 2: was a celebrity assistant. 326 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: The power imbalance is very real. 327 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 2: You just heard other examples that celebrity assistants have named. 328 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: Do you believe that. 329 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: In this case the assistant is being scapegoated or do 330 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: you believe he is rightfully being prosecuted as it relates 331 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: to Matthew Perry's death. 332 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: I do believe he's being scapegoated. 333 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 8: I mean, we just heard about how other players in 334 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 8: this system are making insane amounts of money, and I 335 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 8: asked you to think about what does the assistants stand 336 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 8: again in that equation. 337 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: What does the money have to do with it? 338 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: Rowena, Would it make it okay if he was paid 339 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 2: more money? 340 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 8: Oh no, absolutely not. I'm not saying that anybody was 341 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 8: doing anything right. However, there's a big difference between the 342 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 8: amounts of money the doctors and the drug dealers were 343 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 8: making and what did the assistants stand. Again, I believe 344 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 8: the assistant was just trying to survive. He wasn't making 345 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 8: staggering amounts of money, and so therefore his incentive to 346 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 8: do what he did was very different from the doctors 347 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 8: and the drug dealers out there trying to get something 348 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 8: for himself. He was merely trying to survive his job. 349 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 8: There's a big difference in that. 350 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: So you believe the difference, and whether he should be 351 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: held criminally culpable is whether he was getting paid for 352 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: shooting Matthew Perry up to his death. 353 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 8: I don't think that there's a huge incentive for him 354 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 8: to push this agenda, and therefore I don't believe that 355 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 8: he was pushing the agenda. He was merely doing what 356 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 8: he was told to do under incredibly strenuous circumstances. So 357 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 8: I'm merely saying that as a point of coercion. The 358 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 8: assistant is not really this person who should be skapgoted 359 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 8: that there are layers of privilege and abuse of power 360 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 8: that are far greater than that. And you know, we 361 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 8: can easily point to doctors and drug dealers who were 362 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 8: making vast amounts of money and had a huge incentive 363 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 8: to push this kind of an agenda. 364 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 2: Mike McCormick joining me, Lean, investigator of MCUM Investigations in Hollywood. 365 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 2: Mike McCormick, Oh, respector Rowen and Chew, But I think 366 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: that's completely I don't. 367 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: Agree at all. 368 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 2: Everybody in Hollywood is making money off celebs. 369 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: Celebs are making money off the studios. 370 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: The studios are making money off us and advertisers. 371 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: That's how it works in Hollywood. 372 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: It's like one bloodsucker sucking on the next bloodsucker, just 373 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 2: like ticks, you know, stuck to the animal. But Mike McCormick, 374 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 2: what do you make of what Rowena is saying that 375 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: the assistant is the scapegoat. I think they should all 376 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 2: be put in the same pot to boil and all 377 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: be tried together. 378 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: As it relates to Perry's death. 379 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 12: Well, I don't think the assistant is being scapegoaded. I 380 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 12: just think he was being more loyal, just doing what 381 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 12: what the boss wanted him to do. It had nothing 382 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 12: to do with money, was job security and loyalty. 383 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: Okay, hold on to some moment, doctor Manthony Marshall. Maybe 384 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 2: I'm not articulating my point that, well, the assistant lives 385 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: in a mansion, he makes plenty of money, he rubs 386 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 2: elbows with all of the stars, he drives a beautiful 387 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: luxury car. Maybe I'm not understanding his poor conditions. I 388 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 2: don't see it, Nancy. 389 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 13: I have a unique perspective on this because these assistants 390 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 13: sometimes come to my office. One in particular was the 391 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 13: major domo for one of the wealthiest men in the 392 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 13: world and had to stand around serving palomas to the 393 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 13: family all day long alcoholic beverages, and he became so 394 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 13: disgusted because one of the family members was drunk all 395 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 13: day long. 396 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: He was traumatized. 397 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 13: He came to therapy and said, I just cannot do 398 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 13: this anymore, and he left the job. So, yes, these 399 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 13: assistants are vulnerable in the sense that they often do 400 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 13: things they don't want to do, but they do have 401 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 13: agency in the world. And I think in particular when 402 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 13: you are potentially committing homicide. That's a breach of duty, 403 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 13: that's lack of judgment that a ten year old knows 404 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 13: not to do. 405 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 11: Right. 406 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 13: We just know basically, you don't kill somebody if you 407 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 13: administer a drug. They sees you don't administer the drug. Again, 408 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 13: I mean, I'm sorry, but this assistant could have gone 409 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 13: and worked at a bar, would probably I would prefer 410 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 13: to scrub floors than to inject somebody with a substance 411 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 13: that could kill them. It is just common sense. Of course, 412 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 13: there's a power imbalance. Of course, there's a power in 413 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 13: balance in life for all of. 414 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: Us, exactly, you know, Caleb Brandtley, I want to follow 415 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: up on what doctor Bethany's saying. Caleb Brantley joining us 416 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: from Daily Mail call, and we understand that Matthew Perry's 417 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: mansion is being renovated, especially around the hot tub, the 418 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: pool area where he died. Seems as if for Hollywood, 419 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 2: including the prosecutors, it's just business as usual. There are 420 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: no sentences on the people that have agreed to plead guilty. 421 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: It just seems as if everyone's acting as though nothing happened. 422 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: Matthew Perry is dead. 423 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: These people, according to the FEDS, are responsible. Why aren't 424 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 2: they behind bars Killa And what if anything, can you 425 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 2: tell me about when these people are going to jail? 426 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: And one other question. 427 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: Apparently one of Perry's intimate friends states that he Perry 428 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,959 Speaker 2: was deathly afraid of needles and she is questioning the 429 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 2: real cod Keilla listen. 430 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 6: One of Perry's former assistants and ex girlfriend, Katie Edwards, 431 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 6: says she does not believe Perry could have possibly been 432 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 6: taking ketamine. Edwards describes Perry's in tense fear of needles, 433 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 6: saying he wouldn't even consider a tattoo due to the phobia. 434 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 6: Edwards was no stranger to Perry's addiction and told him 435 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 6: he would die in an argument over his drug use. 436 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 6: Perry's response quote, you only die when you use needles, 437 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 6: and I would never ever do that. 438 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: Caleb Brantley, what about it? 439 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: This person an intimate friend of Perry's raising the specter 440 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 2: up another cood cause of death. 441 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 9: I understand that, Nancy, But it was Katie Edwards. She 442 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 9: dated him back in two thousand and six, worked as 443 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 9: an assistant until like twenty eleven, so while they were 444 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 9: still friends, they hadn't dated in a while, and I 445 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 9: understand that she said that he had a fear of this. 446 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 9: But Matthew Perry himself had written in his book about 447 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 9: these kenemine infusions that he was taking and how it 448 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 9: felt and how it was helping him. So I personally 449 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 9: am not so sure of that theory. And you do 450 00:28:52,520 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 9: have his assistant and everyone basically admitting to injecting him. 451 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Oh yeah, people think she's beautiful, 452 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 2: she's glamorous. 453 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: She posts all sorts of really really. 454 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 2: Refined photos and videos on her social media. But the 455 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: so called Ketamine Queen Jazzavin sayingha is nothing more but 456 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 2: a dope dealer. 457 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 5: The Fed say there are likely more victims of the 458 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 5: infamous ketamine Queen. 459 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: Apparently, celebrities and celebrity doctors alike across Hollywood are quaking 460 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 2: in their boots, afraid that the so called ketamine Queen 461 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: is going to rat them out in exchange for a 462 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: sweethearted deal from the Feds. The so called ketamine Queen, 463 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 2: the one that supplied Matthew Perry the deadly dose of 464 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: ketamine that ended in his death. Are there other victims? 465 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 10: Yes, Listen Jasvien Sogha sells Cody mclowery several vials of ketamine. 466 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 10: Later that same day, mclowry's family finds him dead. A 467 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 10: family member tells Sangha her ketamine caused mclowry's overdose death, 468 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 10: and Songha googles can ketamine be listed as a cause 469 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 10: of death? 470 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 6: There are likely more victims. Eric Fleming, who reportedly acted 471 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 6: as a program director at the bell Air Rehab Red Door, 472 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 6: also had a resident die on his watch. William Cooney, 473 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 6: thirty six, was found dead of a fentyl overdose in 474 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 6: his bathroom at the facility. 475 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: So those are two alleged victims. Two more victims of 476 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 2: the ketamine Queen. That makes three if those two victims 477 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: are to be believed. In fact, Cody's family is speaking 478 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: out against the ketamine Queen and. 479 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: Is she talking? 480 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: Is she making a deal with the fedes to get 481 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 2: a light sentence and extra change for ratting out other 482 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 2: solibs and other doctors. Man, she needs a lot of 483 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 2: money to support this lifestyle. So what is the connection 484 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: between the ketemine Queen and the other alleged victims? 485 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: All dead? 486 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 14: Coming to light are brog Mueller's deep ties to suspects 487 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,719 Speaker 14: Flemming and Songha. Mueller spent time with Songhai in one 488 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 14: of her many rehab stands, and Fleming is reportedly a 489 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,239 Speaker 14: godfather to one of Mueller's children. Mueller reportedly pressured then 490 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 14: boyfriend William Cooney to join her at pal Fleming's rehab program, 491 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 14: where Cooney overdosed and died. Mueller may well have introduced 492 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 14: Fleming and Songha to Perry as shortcuts to feed his addiction. 493 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 14: Federal prosecutors report that Mueller is cooperating with the investigation 494 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 14: and is not facing any charges. 495 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: Let me understand, CALEA. 496 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: Brantley joining us from dailymail dot com, the so called 497 00:31:52,240 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 2: Ketamine queen Songha meets up with who and rehab? Let 498 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: me say, is Britton Mueller, who apparently was very close 499 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: to Matthew Perry. Now how does that connect and to 500 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 2: Songhaw the dealer. 501 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 9: Well, all roads are kind of leading back to Jazzmine Sogha, 502 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 9: the Kennymine Queen. She was a supplier of multiple people. 503 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 9: And now we do find this connection between Brooke Mueller, 504 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 9: who spent time with Matthew Perry in rehab. They were 505 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 9: close friends. And then we have Eric Cumming, who was 506 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 9: a director at the rehab center where this man William 507 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 9: Cooney had passed away. So this all is a circular 508 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 9: connection of going back to Sangha and I'm have been 509 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 9: on the radar for a while. Back in March twenty 510 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 9: twenty four, the FED raided her house and they called 511 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 9: it a drug imporium, these seventy nine bottles that some 512 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 9: had tested positive for kennymine. So this is no surprise 513 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 9: that Jazzmine Sanga is involved in this Matthew Perry case. 514 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 2: Now two more alleged victims of this woman living the 515 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 2: high life that supplied the deadly dose to Matthew Perry. 516 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: Now would he be her third victim? Why has it 517 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 2: taken that to bring her to justice? Are those investigations ongoing? 518 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: Now? 519 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 2: This by far is not the first time a celebrity 520 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: has died with enablers circling them like vultures. 521 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: Listen now, I want. 522 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 15: To heard of three. 523 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:31,479 Speaker 5: How are you doing? 524 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 15: It's the security from Beverly Hilton, All right, what conor? 525 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 15: I need a paramedic. Apparently I got a forty thy 526 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 15: curial female I'm found in the bathroom to a fellow 527 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 15: guy right now. But they're requesting paramedic crew. Okay, par 528 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 15: fellow about them and I love rim Cantal. I'm not 529 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 15: sure if she fellow. She was in the bathroom with 530 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 15: the water four four four threepole. I'm sorry that the 531 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 15: room four three fourth yet. Okay, they're not quet for 532 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 15: anything else. 533 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 13: There's room four three. 534 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 15: Four thirty four. Yeah, okay, you don't know see a 535 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 15: country of reathing at all. Apparently she wasn't breathing, and 536 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 15: she's toy secured she was not breathing. 537 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: But he Houston surrounded by enablers. Ultimately it cost her 538 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 2: her life. Then there is John Belushi, one of the 539 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: greatest comedians that ever lived. He was shot up with 540 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 2: drugs at the Chateau Marmont and his assistant did hard 541 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 2: jail time after shooting him up. Bobby Christina Whitney's daughter 542 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 2: od It goes on and on and on. Of course, 543 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, Aaron Carter, Chris Farley went to rehab sixteen times. 544 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 2: His younger brother finds him dead in his apartment. Of course, 545 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 2: Prince died a deadly opioid injection. Goes all the way 546 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 2: back to Elvis, China, Amy Winehouse and a Nicole spiraled 547 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 2: down a drug hole, while everyone supported that and enabled her. 548 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 2: Kurt Cobain, River Phoenix. It goes on and on, and 549 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 2: the enablers are never brought to justice. Joining me an 550 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 2: all star panel to make sense of what we know 551 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 2: right now? Do you believe, Cala Brantley that this signals 552 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 2: the beginning of a celebrity a celebrity doctor cracked down. 553 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 9: I think it's very possible, Nancy, especially now that we 554 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 9: have people who are making Klea feels. You could see 555 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 9: them speak and tell you know their networks of people 556 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 9: and connections, and this could be the craft out at 557 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 9: the beginning of a bunch of doctors who are prescribing 558 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 9: people deadly, deadly medications. We have from the pleas so far, 559 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 9: people admitting, including his assistant, to covering up and cleaning 560 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 9: up this scene by getting rid of syringes and ketamine 561 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 9: vials that's according to the pre agreement, and telling each 562 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 9: other to delete things. So we see an orchestrated system 563 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 9: from these people who are trying to get away with 564 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 9: clearly knowing that they did something wrong. 565 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 2: To Todd Barr joining us doctor Barr, Board certified and 566 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 2: atomic clinical forensic pathologist, Doctor Barr, what do you notice 567 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 2: about the death certificate. 568 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: So, Nancy, I. 569 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 11: Have a lot of real issues with the way this 570 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 11: case was decided. As a forensic expert, I have been 571 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 11: involved in prosecutions of crimes that involved other people distributing 572 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 11: or administering drugs to a victim. The very definition of 573 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 11: a homicide is death at the hands of another period, 574 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 11: whether it's by omission or comission. In this case, comission. 575 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 11: They brought in drugs, they injected them into Matthew Perry's body. 576 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 11: They should be charged with a homicide. They should be 577 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 11: charged with murder straight up, everyone that's involved. Now, the 578 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 11: second part of this is the official cause of death 579 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 11: was listed as the acute effects of ketamine, and then 580 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 11: other conditions or contributing conditions included drowning. Now, there are 581 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 11: certain stigmata of drowning that you see at autopsy. If 582 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 11: those are present, then a drowning occurred. So Matthew Perry's 583 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 11: death is literally because of drowning. But then there's a 584 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:29,919 Speaker 11: part b or drowning due to the intoxicating effects of ketamine. 585 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 11: So he was so dissociative and esthetized that he slipped 586 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 11: under the water. If they're going to list drowning as 587 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 11: a contributing factor. Then that means they had evidence that 588 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 11: he drowned, so it should have been listed as a 589 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 11: drowning Number one due to the effects of ketamine, and 590 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 11: the manner of death should have been listed as homicide. 591 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 11: So I have a very strong opinion about the way 592 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 11: this death certificate was worded, and I believe that sometimes 593 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 11: when it's worded this way, defendants get off a lot easier. Now, 594 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 11: I don't know if in LA they have something going 595 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 11: where they were these death certificates in a way, so 596 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 11: people get off a little easier. 597 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: But that's my take too. 598 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 2: Rowena Toe joining us former assistant to Harvey Weinstein now activists, 599 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 2: who has just written a New York Times guest essay 600 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 2: called I was a celebrity assistant. The power and balance 601 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 2: is a very real thought to you, Rowena, what do 602 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 2: you make of it all? 603 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,439 Speaker 8: I think there are levels of power that we could 604 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 8: go after that are much more intense than that of 605 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 8: the assistant. I think the assistant, being the lowest run 606 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 8: on the ladder, probably is the last person that anyone 607 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 8: should go after because he has read his little autonomy. 608 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 8: I'm not saying that no one should be held accountable. 609 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,439 Speaker 8: I'm saying that there are levels of power above him 610 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 8: that should be accountable before he is. 611 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 2: Saying her know to all of our customers. As the quote, 612 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 2: ketymine queen, Now that's certainly something you. 613 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: Don't want in your scrapbook. 614 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 2: It's charged with five counts of ketemine distribution, including one 615 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 2: count of distribution that results in death, the death of 616 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 2: Matthew Perry. She pled guilty in his PS Friends reruns 617 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 2: are on all the time. Everyone knows about Matthew Perry 618 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 2: and his death thanks to the Ketamine Queen and all 619 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 2: of the enablers around Perry. 620 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend,