1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decond. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: want you to know. So if you're watching this on YouTube, 10 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: you might notice things are a little bit different. There 11 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: are no two ways about it. Fellow conspiracy realist. The 12 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: world is and has been in a pretty strange place, 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: and we have some dark episodes ahead no spoilers. But 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 1: today we thought we would take a moment and uh 15 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: be a little kinder to ourselves and do something a 16 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: little bit lighter, if not entirely wholesome. Today we're talking 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: about one of the most well known tropes in the 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: entire world of conspiracy lore, the tinfoil hat. Like, so 19 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: I got one, now I got a mohawks style one, 20 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, uh go, it's very fashionable. Thank you guys, 21 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: thank you. Uh it was absolutely not thrown together last 22 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: minute for this episode. But like everybody knows knows what 23 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: these things are, we always we always see them so 24 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: often the world of fiction. And our question today, which 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: is also something we explore in our upcoming book, by 26 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: the way, is what's the deal? How did this become 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: a thing? Why is it stuck around for so long? 28 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: And perhaps most importantly, does wearing one of these actually 29 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: do anything other than make the wearer look a little 30 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: bit looney. To answer these questions, I think we have 31 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: to start with the stereotype. So here are the facts. 32 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: Not too long ago, we mentioned a group of protesters 33 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: up in Canada who were, or at least the rumor 34 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: was on social media, that they were using tinfoil hats 35 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: to prevent some attacks by the local government there. Hopefully 36 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: remember this. If not, you can search back through the 37 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: listener mail and find it. Or maybe it was a 38 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: strange news, who knows, but it's something that continues today. 39 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: And uh, some people I think we're probably sincerely wearing 40 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: tinfoil hats in an attempt to block some kind of 41 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: signals entering their head. But I do know for a 42 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: fact that others were doing it as a joke. It's 43 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: almost it is. It's like a trope. It's a fictional device, right, 44 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: we was we were just talking about the song Weird 45 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: Al made. Yes foil so many amazing stuff. I mean, 46 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: you can wrap your sandwich in it. You can uh 47 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: fashion an improvisational pipe out of it. I don't know 48 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: if anybody ever did that in their teenage years. You know, 49 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: always just reheat pizza with it. You mean in the oven. Yes, 50 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: you reheat your pizza and the oven. That is very posh. 51 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: That's the way it is usually use people this microwave it. No, no, no, no, no. 52 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: Look look I'm gonna dispel this. The best way to 53 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: reheat pizza is if you've got a pan on top 54 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: of the oven, then you reheat it that way. But 55 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: I put it inside my convection oven, and I wrapped 56 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: my crust in tinfoil. I also my pan in tinfoil, 57 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: and uh, it really does give you that crispy, delicious 58 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: cheese that you're looking for. That's the issue. I love it. Well, 59 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: that's that's the issue. Like it's it's really are you 60 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: a question? Are you willing to spend a couple extra 61 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: minutes to get the crispness? I'm I'm sensitive to the 62 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: texture right for the pizza. But but also there was 63 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: a study that showed the the science, the chemistry behind 64 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: why old pizza tastes better, Like why can eat cold 65 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: pizza for breakfast? It's it's something to do with the uh, 66 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: the cheese and the tomato sauce sitting together in that environment. Uh, anyway, 67 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: that maybe the sort of they sort of become one thing, 68 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, at that point they're not like separate entities anymore. 69 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: And I think there's something about the acidity of the 70 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: tomato sauce. But we'll have to check in with our 71 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: pals over its savor for that one, because I bet 72 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: they know. As a matter of fact, I've become so 73 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: lazy with some food questions that I just text Annie 74 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: and Lauren at times and ask them to explain something 75 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: about food to me, even though all three of us 76 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: know that I have access to the internet. Uh So, Laura, Annie, 77 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: if you're hearing that, sorry and thank you. Uh. Yeah, 78 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: we we see people who wear tinfoil hats, but overwhelmingly, now, 79 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: like you were pointing out, Matt, they're going to be 80 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: tropes in fiction. You're not going to see them out 81 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: in the wild. It's it's sort of a visual shorthand 82 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: for writers or direc actors or actors to indicate the 83 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: person wearing this peculiar cap is themselves a little bit peculiar. 84 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: It's the mark of the capital C, capital ty, conspiracy theorist, 85 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: maybe a really crazy prepper survivalist, or maybe a hypochondriact, 86 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: or maybe someone suffering from deep, deep paranoia. And what's 87 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: funny is these characters, like just as we said this, 88 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of us listening today immediately pictured 89 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: something from like Futurama or The Simpsons or The X Files, etcetera. 90 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: The funny thing about these characters is, in a lot 91 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: of shows, they're not always wrong. They may in fact 92 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: have some insight about some part of the plot or 93 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: whatever the mcguffin is, or some piece of the story, 94 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: but that true useful knowledge is a grain of cognitive 95 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: sand amid this huge mass of unrelated, unproven and at 96 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: times contradictory beliefs like we got the three of us 97 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: have been in the past compared to the lone Gunman 98 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: of X Files fame. And they also, I think they 99 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: have a couple of tinfoil hat moments. Maybe the most 100 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: famous is going to be in the world of fiction 101 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: right now is going to be Better Call Saul, which 102 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: we can first talk about. Yeah, I just started rewatching 103 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: that in preparation for the new season. I think it's 104 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: better than Breaking Bad. I really enjoy it. WHOA, I'm 105 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: on season five? Is that the new one or is 106 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: it six? The new one's not out yet, but the 107 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: season five is the most recent one, and the new 108 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: one is supposed to be the last one. Yes, se 109 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 1: five just hit Netflix. Oh that's what I just started 110 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: watching it because I said new episodes and I was like, yes, yes. 111 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: Bob owdin Kirk, let's hang. He's got a book coming 112 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: out called Comedy Comedy, Comedy Drama like that. It's such 113 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: a great all encapsulating title for his book. He's a 114 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: brilliant writer and he actually I think it's him. Who 115 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: a book on humor that is is a serious book. 116 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: It's It's how to be Funny and it's quite effective. 117 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: I think that's Bob oden Kirk. I'll check later. But 118 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: so the logic for these characters and their sartorial preferences, 119 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: it all hinges on the idea of electromagnetic waves and radiation, 120 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: And we did talk about this a little bit in 121 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: the past. But basically, to stop radiation you need a 122 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: material that shorts both electric fields and magnetic fields. So 123 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: in terms of stymying electric fields, almost any old metal 124 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: can do an okay job because metal conducts electricity, and 125 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,559 Speaker 1: despite the name of course, tinfoil is often most often 126 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: made of aluminum and aluminums a good conductor. But to 127 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: short a magnetic field, you also need a ferromagnetic metal, 128 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: such or iron. Your nickel, your cobalts, iron you know, 129 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: not often use these days. Iron is heavy, it's got 130 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: some other things going against it, one of which would 131 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: be rust. But so that's exactly just so, so what 132 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: you would look at in terms of the best choice 133 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: would probably be something like steel, an alloy of carbon, iron, 134 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: tiny amounts of other components. Like if you ever have 135 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: cracked open uh a video recorder back in the day, 136 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: you look inside you can see there may be a 137 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: chassis that is constructed of aluminum, but there's a small 138 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: box behind the co X connector which is made of steel, 139 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: and that is to shield things from radiation. That's the logic. 140 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: At least there's some guy vernous about it. There's something 141 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: you know, uh, improvisational and even inspiring about the idea 142 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,599 Speaker 1: of someone saying, I'm going to make my own protection. 143 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: It's to shield it from like magnetism as well, right, 144 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: so it doesn't get erased accidentally, and if I'm not mistaken, 145 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: Like the little kind of cape they put over you 146 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: at the dentist or the doctor when you're getting an 147 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: X ray is made of lead and that stops those 148 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: those particular type of reading radiation. Yeah, it it mitigates 149 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: the exposure level. And you know, when you think of 150 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: like a tinfoil hat, it's weird to do this episode 151 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: while I'm actually wearing one. But maybe, well, are you 152 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: anything or any waves not entering your head that normally 153 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: would be do you feel to to say, I feel 154 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: slightly less mad? Um, So I gotta get I gotta 155 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: get this off because we have more stuff to do. 156 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: But you know, it's like, you know what it reminds 157 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: me of, in the spirit of it putting aside the 158 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: science for just a second, it reminds me of how 159 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: in go to your warfare and in violent protests and 160 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: oppressive regimes, people improvise their own sort of devices, whether 161 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: those are weapons or whether they're improvised gas mask created 162 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: with you know, household objects. You can see versions of this, 163 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: by the way, in video games like Far Cry six 164 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: that has I think a lot of improvised material or 165 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: a coffee can filled with that um, charcoal or something 166 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: like that. Wouldn't that be one way and stuff like that. Yeah, 167 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: I think you're right. Yeah, and and so we know 168 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: that this is this somehow in the modern age, the 169 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: idea of a tinfoil hat became a universally recognized symbol. Right. 170 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: You would show a person a picture of someone wearing 171 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: a tinfoil hat, and even if they come from vastly 172 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: different cultures, they would probably immediately associated with the same things. 173 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: And that's because this is a surprisingly old old idea. 174 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: It's not something that came about with the wave of 175 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: UFO sightings in the nineteen sixties. Uh. This image of 176 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: the paranoid loner who puts on the tinfoil cone and 177 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: they hide away from the al c nive mass surveillance, 178 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: it's been around for almost a century. Tinfoil was invented 179 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: in nineteen oh three or so, and not very much 180 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: long after the idea of wearing it as a hat 181 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: showed up in fiction, and there's a we know this, 182 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: or at least we learned this because of a great 183 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: article by roisen Khyberd roisen kibbered over at Vice. Yeah. 184 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: He traces it back to nineteen when Aldus Huxley's half 185 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: brother Julian wrote a story called The Tissue Culture King, 186 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: and that story revolves around a scientist named Haskem who 187 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: kind of dabbles in mind control technology and eventually realizes 188 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: that putting on a hat made of foil will block 189 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: telepathic signals from entering his his mind, but it will 190 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: also block them from escaping and getting out. What is 191 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: he doing stunting himself and his own telepathic abilities? I'm 192 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: just kidding. I don't know, but it doesn't feel like 193 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: the trailer. No. I just feel like, if you're blocking 194 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: things from getting in, aren't you blocking things from getting out? 195 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: To man? So I don't know. Yeah, but who cares? Like, like, 196 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: my cell phone isn't sending or receiving anything right now? 197 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: You know? Because we oh wait, no, we just debunked that, 198 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: didn't we. Well dare to dream, right, It's it's strange 199 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: because this we can trace where this first appears in fiction, 200 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: and in the kind of story that you're describing here, Nol, 201 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: we see that this would be really cool science fiction 202 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: for its time. The idea is stuck around in the 203 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: modern day. You know, we mentioned better call Salt and 204 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: and better call salt. The prota aganist older brother is 205 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: a brilliant lawyer who, as he got on in years, 206 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: began to believe that he suffered from electro magnetic hyper 207 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: sensitivity e h s uh. And so a lot of 208 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: the early this isn't really a spoiler, but a lot 209 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: of the early seasons and episodes have this running plot 210 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: where this guy, who is again a brilliant legal mind, 211 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: has has become increasingly isolated from the modern world because 212 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: he feels that he cannot be around most modern technology. 213 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: And when he has to go outside or when he 214 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: has to expose himself to these waves that he feels 215 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:49,479 Speaker 1: have damaging health effects, he always hides beneath those emergency 216 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: foil blankets, the kind of things you'd see in a 217 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: survival kit, kind you should definitely have in your car 218 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: if you're on a road trip. Excellent portrayal by Michael McKean, 219 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: and you'll know from like all the Christopher guest movies 220 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: and the spinal tap and and all that stuff. He's 221 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: just fantastic. It's it's simultaneously funny. He's kind of an ass, 222 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: but it's also heartbreaking because he is going through the 223 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: stuff and he fully is experiencing it. But it's one 224 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: of these things we've talked about the past that science 225 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: doesn't exactly acknowledge as being real. Yes, and we're we're 226 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: diving into that later in this episode two. It's a 227 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: it's an ongoing conversation. Right. Uh. These characters, again in fiction, 228 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: are often played for laughs, right, as though they are 229 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: foolish in their paranoia. But you have to wonder how 230 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: those so called kuks of yesteryear would feel about the 231 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: average person's online social media life today. You know, maybe 232 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: they weren't Maybe maybe they were wrong about a lot 233 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: of stuff, but maybe they weren't wrong about everything, especially 234 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: when it comes to surveillance. So you have to wonder, though, 235 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: why this image has such staying power Night to two 236 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: thousand two. Well, could it be that it's just a 237 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: shortcut for some sometimes lazy writing, or could it be 238 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: something else? Could it actually work? Will pause for a 239 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor and figure this out together. Here's 240 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. All right, this might not be 241 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: the answer every everyone was expecting. But uh yeah, aluminum does, 242 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: in fact, to a degree, blocks some blocks and frequencies. 243 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: It's just not near as effective as some folks would 244 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: like to believe. Like, there's the experiment you can do 245 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: at home to get a sense of this. Take a 246 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: sheet of aluminum foil. Lay it out on a flat surface, 247 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: Take your smartphone or your burner, wrap your wrap the 248 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: phone and foil. Okay, Matt's doing it. This is the 249 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: tutorial part of the podcast. This is like step step 250 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: what step one? Wrap the phone? Okay, all right, and 251 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: then uh tell us when you got it wrapped up, 252 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: get wrapped up nice and tight. Yeah yeah. Do you 253 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: could get that seasonal job wrapping gifts at department stores. 254 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: It was very neat job. Okay. So true believers will 255 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: tell you that this has created a Faraday cage, that 256 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: this has blocked the entirety of that signal. However, we 257 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: can try this right now. All that needs to happen 258 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: is one of us needs to try to call Matt. 259 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, call me, somebody call me. Wait, oh wait, 260 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: I need to turn on I need to turn on 261 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: so we can hear all. Okay, maybe it'll ring. Let's 262 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: see my phone is on that. Okay. This is why 263 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: we didn't want for us to do this. Yeah, I 264 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: thought it would. I thought it would disrupt the signal, right, 265 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: it would interfere with it. But I didn't know one 266 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: sheet alone could do the trick. I thought you would 267 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: need a lot more foil to shut it down. That 268 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: was one sheet. Okay, wait, hold on, wait, we gotta 269 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: do control call one more time. I'm unwrapping my phone 270 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: just really fast to make sure this isn't just weird. 271 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to waste so much time. Dreams are made up. Yeah, 272 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: conspiracy dreams, here we go. Yeah, dude, can you hear 273 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: that it's ringing? It wasn't ringing before. It didn't ring alright, 274 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: that's crazy. We didn't ring this many times either. It 275 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: rang like three times and went to voicemail. Interesting. So 276 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: what this is? This is something we wanted to recreate 277 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: as an experiment. We hope you guys enjoyed it, because, 278 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: as you can tell, we were surprised that this works 279 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: so well. People try That's what's happening. People drive this 280 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: trick in the modern day though, and one of the 281 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: most recent infamous examples that I remember at least is 282 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: the story of Galain Maxwell. Remember when she was hiding 283 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: out before the law came for her, And I did 284 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: check before we recorded today to make sure that she 285 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: is still alive. Uh, she is for now. The prosecutors 286 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: in the Maxwell case noted they had this thing that 287 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: may have gotten lost in the shuffle, but they said 288 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: when agents started conducting a security sweep of her house, 289 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: the place she was hiding after she had been apprehended, 290 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: they noticed that she had a cell phone wrapped in 291 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: tinfoil on top of a desk, and they said it 292 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: was apparently an effort to evade detection. Forbes, with some 293 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: like diplomatic smart snark later said quote, it was not 294 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: a work of technical genius. Well, I wonder if it 295 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: blocks just the radio frequencies that are coming from the 296 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: cell towers, but it wouldn't block like a WiFi signal. 297 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: Maybe that's a good question. I mean that I'm gonna 298 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: all waves are created equal, right, Like they're different, you know, 299 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: they're different sizes, they're they're different levels of what's the 300 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: word penetration, you know, in terms of like the distance 301 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: they can travel and like a Bluetooth signal is still 302 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: a wireless you know, bit of radiation, but it's not 303 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: the same as a WiFi signal. One has to be 304 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: in close proximity, closer proximity. Yeah, they're not all created equal. 305 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: And there's these radio waves we're talking about now, our 306 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: form of E M F radiation. That aluminum foil, as 307 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: we just demonstrate, acts as a barrier and if you 308 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: have enough of it then it could block those waves. 309 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: There's the other example is just the basic Faraday cage, 310 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: which we mentioned earlier. Don't let the name cage necessarily 311 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: fool you. It's any kind of structure that can block 312 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: these uh, these types of energy. It's usually gonna be 313 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: a wire mesh of a metal, often aluminum, and the 314 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: ideas that can completely block radio microwave radiation. So you 315 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: might be thinking of references to Faraday cages in fiction 316 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: like Lost or in somewhere else, Oh, infringe, there's a 317 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: guy who builds an internal Faraday cage and it's pretty 318 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: gross and cyberpunk. Uh, I think about like chain mail armor. Yeah, yeah, 319 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: great example, Yeah, because it is it's a kind of armor. 320 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: The well, there there are those dudes that work on 321 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: like high tension wires um you know, really really high up. 322 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: They have to ground themselves and they wear literally a 323 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: suit that looks like chain mail armor that is kind 324 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: of a wearable Faraday cage, but I'm not mistaken. And 325 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: they have this big pole they used to ground themselves, 326 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: and they're able to handle the power lines without getting exploded. Amazing. 327 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: And those guys do make a lot of money, but 328 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: they are earning every sense of it. You need a 329 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: particular set of skills. So the most important factor of 330 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: any Faraday cage is that a mesh is fine. It'll 331 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: work as well as a full sheet of metal. But 332 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: the mesh will be fine as long as there are 333 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: no holes larger than the shortest wavelength of the radio 334 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: or the microwaves. They're trying to enter that barrier. And you, 335 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: if you only think of Faraday cages in the world 336 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: of fiction, you might be surprised to learn that you 337 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: odds are you are regularly using a Faraday cage in 338 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: your everyday life. If you're not, then someone you know 339 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: most certainly is yeah, when reheat your pizza, not like me, 340 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: when you throw that thing in the microwave. Why would 341 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: you do that. I'm shaming you right now, pizza shaming me, 342 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: Bro Pizza shaming me. You and your posh oven reheated 343 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: crispy pizza. Sir, I'm joking everybody. I totally King of 344 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: King of France over here, but he's a pizza supremacist. 345 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: Looking back, it all makes sense. No, I'm kidding, yeah, no, no, 346 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: I'm I'm team of it as well. But I I 347 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: do think that microwaves, they're tremendously useful. And whenever you 348 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: look at that little window right being paranoid myself, I 349 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: don't like to hang too close to the microwave just 350 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: in case. Never do it. But that little window with 351 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: that wire mesh on there is part of basically fairday cage. 352 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: It's a material that is small enough such that it 353 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: prevent microwave radiation from zapping you. So what you know, 354 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: we all know every heating pizza. You should never reheat 355 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: pizza in the microwave when it's wrapped in tinfoil because 356 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: that will cause a minor fire or perhaps explosion. Um, 357 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: what is it about the metal that the microwaves interact 358 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: with that causes uh these dangerous effects? I'm so glad 359 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: you asked. So, metals are great conductors of electricity essentially 360 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: because they have a lot of electrons and those electrons 361 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: move about freely. And so when microwaves, like in your 362 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: in your microwave oven, when microwaves hit metal objects, those 363 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: microwaves get reflected and they bounce back and forth, and 364 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: there's not enough material inside the microwave oven to absorb 365 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: those microwaves that are bouncing back and forth, and so 366 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: they arc between the metal object and another part of 367 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: the microwave oven. And anybody who's like accidently left a 368 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: spoon maybe in some che eas did you've seen this? Yeah, 369 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: you know it's funny. There's a how stuff works article 370 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: from back in the day by Marshall Brain himself. What 371 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: if I put a luminium full in the microwave and 372 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: I just had a hilarious misreading. It says radio waves 373 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: in this frequency range have an interesting property. Uh, And 374 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: then it says some things that can absorb them. It 375 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: says water, fats, and sugars. What I read fats as farts? Yes, 376 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: because I'm a child. What if you have to choose 377 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: between the two, It's probably better if you to fart 378 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: in the microwave instead of putting aluminum foil there. But 379 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: it's just like what It's just like the question what 380 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: do you do when you find yourself lost in the woods. 381 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: Your first thing is to ask yourself how you got 382 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: in that situation, and then just fart. And if you 383 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: fart in the forest and no one's around you here, 384 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: does it really make a sound you hear? Never mind, 385 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: that's that's an irrelevant question because you're there. If you 386 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: know what you did, you know disgusting creature, and nature 387 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: knows to all the animals in the forest, like this 388 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: guy eats beans h house everybody he the crime. So 389 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: in terms of a basic concept, yes, there is there 390 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: is science to this. If you're talking about the hat, 391 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: though the idea of a tinfoil hat, that science breaks down. 392 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: The issue comes down to coverage. A tinfoil hat is 393 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: only covering a small amount of your body, a very 394 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: important neighborhood of your body, but a very small part. 395 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: So unlike a true Faraday cage, this is no longer 396 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: a closed structure. That hat has a huge opening, and 397 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: the way this energy works, that opening renders this entire 398 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: thing much less effective. You would be better off if 399 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: you had like an aluminum ski mass. You'd be even 400 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: better off if you had a full body suit made 401 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: of aluminum foil or mesh. And guess what I found 402 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: some you can buy just if you're interested. There's a 403 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: really cool look at one on Amazon. Uh, it looks 404 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: like it looks like one of those old Lava men suits. 405 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: I swear you, guys, I'm pretty sure this is the 406 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: exact one that the props people on Better Call Saul used. 407 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: It looks exactly like if you click on if you 408 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: click on the link and you look at it, it's that. 409 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: For the low low price of three dollars and four 410 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: cents YouTube, you two can look like you're about to 411 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: fight in the volcano. It is for firefighters mainly. I 412 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: think there are entire companies that are dedicated to making 413 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: this stuff. Like they'll make em shielding socks, weird looking 414 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: onesies almost no, what's that? What's the name of that? 415 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: That cool happaneese onesie style? Like yeah, yeah, they may 416 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: they make things that look like foil kigaromi. And you know, uh, 417 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: it's up to you if you want to buy it again, 418 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: you would if you want to protect yourself from some 419 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: sort of perceived radiation. You will probably need to cover 420 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: cover your the entirety of your body, or make a 421 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: room that is coated with something protective. These are possible, 422 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: but they're pretty inconvenient to modern life. So it sounds 423 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: like we're poop poo in the idea and we kind 424 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: of are based on what people believe it's protecting them from. 425 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: But how can we say the normal hat doesn't work? 426 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: How can we say this with such certitude? You don't 427 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: have to take our word for it, fellow conspiracy realists. Instead, 428 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: you can check out this amazing little study done by 429 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: some M I. T. Students in two thousand five. It's hilarious. 430 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: It's called on the effectiveness of Aluminum foil Helmets and 431 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: empirical study. Brilliant, brilliant. You can hear just by the title. 432 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: It's pretty tongue in cheek, right, I mean you just 433 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: hear it. But it looked at three different versions or 434 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,479 Speaker 1: models of tinfoil hats to check out whether or not 435 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: they could send you know, uh, signals through them. Right, 436 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: these are helmets. These are tinfoil helmets. Okay, let's get 437 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: it straight. That's the title. Okay, that's the title. That's 438 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: that's the bit of tongue in cheekiness there as Cleveland 439 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 1: calling them helmets. You know, I think it's a little Sillian. 440 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: Oh dude, Well it's pretty awesome because they did have three, 441 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: like again, let's just call them models. There's the classical, 442 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: which ben do you think that's close to yours? Or 443 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: do you think that's got like the more of the 444 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: pointed top. I've yeah, I've I've gone with again more 445 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: stylish sort of foe hawk because I think it looks aerodynamic, 446 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, you want to kind of you know, it's 447 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: almost like a like a Spartan soldiers helmet. If I 448 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: had time, I would have tried to make something with 449 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: a brim. I feel like there's probably a big market 450 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: for brimmed aluminum hats, or maybe a cap like a 451 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: flat cap also known as the gentleman. So so they 452 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: use the class goal, which is the gentleman just a 453 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: flat surface on covers your head like a like a 454 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: swimming cap. Then there's the fez, which is it goes 455 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: up almost like a bucket hat, a little more cylindrical perhaps, yeah, 456 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: like one of those shriner's hats, you know, chet, Yes, 457 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: And then there's the centurion, which is kind of like Ben's, 458 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: only more elongated up top with a fan basically on 459 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: the center line. Yeah, and I don't know if that's 460 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: a good use of foil, you know what I mean, 461 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: But at some point it becomes a matter of aesthetics, right, 462 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 1: Uh So this is this to be clear, this study 463 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: is was made in good spirits. It was made as 464 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: a joke and M I T loves this kind of 465 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: stuff the student body does. But it's also still m 466 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: I T. Which means the students did conduct good science 467 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: and what they found might be kind of a kick 468 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: in the pants for anyone seriously considering wearing a tinfoil 469 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: hat on the regular. They specifically found that quote. Although 470 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: on average all helmets attenuate invasive radio frequencies in either direction, 471 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: either emanating from an outside source or emanating from the 472 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: cranium of the subject, certain frequencies are in fact greatly 473 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: amplified around two point six giga hurts and one point 474 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: to gigga hurts. It's true, I'm writing that down to 475 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: everyone knows. Those are the bad frequencies, man, those are 476 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: the ones that get Yet I know, I don't I 477 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: don't know that I know. I thought it was common knowledge. 478 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: You must not be reading the same blogs as me. Sorry, 479 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: And just to point that out, we're talking about two 480 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: point six giga hurts to one point two giga hurts. 481 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: That's the range that's amplified there with the tinfoil hats. 482 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 1: Just a reminder that the five G signals that are 483 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: being talked about a lot, and we mentioned them back 484 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: when we were discussing altimeters within or at least the 485 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: systems like altimeters within the aviation industry here in the 486 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: United States. The five G signals we were talking about, 487 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: then we're between three point seven and three point nine 488 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: eight gig hurts. Ah, And this leads to an exciting 489 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: conclusion from the M I T guys. They said, quote 490 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: these amplified frequencies again, two points six giga hurts one 491 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: point two giga hurts coincide with radio bands reserved for 492 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: government use. According to the Federal Communication Commission or FCC, 493 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: Statistical evidence suggests the use of helmets may in fact 494 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: enhance the government's invasive abilities. We therefore speculate that the 495 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: government may in fact have started the helpmet craze for 496 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: this reason. So the conspiracy here at least m I 497 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: t is uh waggish Lee proposing is at Uncle Sam 498 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: started telling people who are already paranoid to wear tinfoil 499 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: helmets because it made their thoughts easier to read, right, 500 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: something like that, it's I love it, I love that idea. 501 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: Those are spark guys. Check out the study. It's worth 502 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: it just to get a picture of the of the 503 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: hats and the models they worked on. You might be 504 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: screaming at your phone right now saying, wait, guys, if 505 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: this is all true, why are people still buying and 506 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: selling clothing meant to repel these waves, especially if everybody 507 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: knows that the hats alone don't cut the conspiratorial mustard. Well, 508 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: the thing is not everybody is worried about invasive government 509 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: mind raise or brainwashing. Instead, a lot of people, just 510 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: like Jimmy's brother and better call Saul, are concerned that 511 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: they have a heightened sensitivity to electromagnetic energy. Again, this 512 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: is known as electromagnetic hyper sensitivity or e h S. 513 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: And I suggest that we pause for a word from 514 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: our sponsor, and then let's dive into the facts and 515 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: fiction surrounding e HS. What makes it seem so controversial 516 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: and even sometimes conspiratorial and we're back. Oh man e 517 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: h S. Do you guys know anybody who feels that 518 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: they have h S or high sensitivity to electromagnetic frequencies? 519 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: You know, Ben, I have never met someone personally who 520 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: has gone through it, but I know, haven't you guys 521 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: maybe interacting with some people or at least we found 522 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: out about a whole group of people. Yeah. Yeah, it's 523 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: it's strange because it's a hugely controversial condition. It's relatively 524 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: recent in the span of humanity. Because society continues to 525 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: indust realized wireless technology is becoming an increasingly unavoidable aspect 526 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: of modern life. And in step with the spread or 527 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: proliferation of wireless technology, we've seen the spread and proliferation 528 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: in the number of things that can emit some kind 529 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: of e m F. But then we've also seen a 530 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: rise in people who feel that this is somehow damaging 531 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: to them. I mean, think about it. Look around any 532 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: place on a given day, you are probably not very 533 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: far from some sort of wireless device. They make life 534 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: way easier, but they also come with this speculation about 535 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: health risk, and it's it's an international level concerned now, 536 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: so the World Health Organization talks about this UH, and 537 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: they have a pretty good summary of what e h 538 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: S means or what it's symptoms are, at least for 539 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: anybody listening in. If these symptoms album familiar to you, 540 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: we'd love to hear your personal take, but here they go. 541 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: They say the symptoms most commonly experienced include dermatological symptoms redness, tingling, 542 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: and burning sensations, as well as neuro aesthetic and vegetative 543 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: symptoms fatigue, tiredness, concentration difficulties, dizziness, nausea, heart palpitation, and 544 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: digestive disturbances. They also note, quote the collection of symptoms 545 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 1: is not part of any recognized syndrome, So there's that 546 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: um and it really is something that kind of the 547 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,720 Speaker 1: jury is still out in terms of consensus with modern 548 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: medical communities. They they largely chalk it up to psycho somatic, 549 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: addict insane, right, so more a mental condition than a 550 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: physical ailment, but important to note it remains in ailment nonetheless. UH. 551 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 1: The reason that the majority of the medical community today 552 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: doesn't consider this to be part of any recognized syndrome 553 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: is due to the research. There have been multiple double 554 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: blind studies, and in these double blind studies, there has 555 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: been no proven correlation between exposure and symptoms, and you 556 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: can find, for instance, you can find numerous cases of 557 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: people who when told that they are being exposed to 558 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: e m F, they report these symptoms, but when they 559 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: are later told they were being misled, then the symptoms 560 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: kind of go away. And this this is, you know, 561 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: we want to be very respectful here, we want to 562 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: exercise empathy in these cases. Experts conclude that there may 563 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: be a no cebo effect at play, but regardless of 564 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: the actual cause, it's important to acknowledge these people don't 565 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: think they're just making it up. There are videos of 566 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: people online right now that you can watch who are 567 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: expressing the real pain that they experience when they believe 568 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 1: they're being bombarded by e MF. And they are being 569 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: bombarded by e MF like we all are. It's just 570 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: for some reason, they do feel pain for one reason 571 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: or another when they think they're in that situation. Um 572 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: and a lot of people may just dismiss it. But 573 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: I think that's just but I don't think that's right. 574 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: And you know, it's if they're genuinely in pain, if 575 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: they feel like they're in pain, then cynically making a 576 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: buck off people in distress is, to say the least, 577 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: deeply unethical. The good news is folks who believe they 578 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: suffer from e HS have found some abatement or mitigation 579 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: of symptoms through things like cognitive behavioral therapy or in 580 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: some cases through changing their environment, which lowers their perceived 581 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: rate of exposure to e m F. I don't know 582 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: about everybody else, but I first learned about the prevalence 583 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: of this concept in kind of a strange side quest 584 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: that you have mentioned earlier mat The U S National 585 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: Radio Quiet Zone is a really creepy area of the 586 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 1: United States. We did an episode on it previously because 587 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: I think we're all collectively baffled when we encountered it 588 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: with very little warning and ended up getting lost while 589 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: filming a road rally documentary. Uh. They have really heavily 590 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: no you were there, you remember this. They have really 591 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 1: having to enforced laws against almost any kind of wireless 592 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: signal transmission, like roam around monitoring corus because it's so 593 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: easy to find right because it's like there's so few 594 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: signals that they stick out like a like a sore thumb. 595 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: It looks like a ghost to magnetically speaking, Yeah, it 596 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: has a pay phone network. Every place we went to 597 00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: was closed. We were lost for hours. And over the years, 598 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 1: this place it's a quiet zone because it has a 599 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: very powerful, ginormous radio telescope. But over the years, people 600 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: who believe they're suffering from e h S have moved 601 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,439 Speaker 1: to this area to avoid exposure. It would be uh 602 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,439 Speaker 1: somewhat of a paradise for them. But if you look 603 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: at the news about Green Bank, West Virginian nearby towns, 604 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: you'll see that these new folks do not get along 605 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: with the locals. Tensions are high. And first it's a 606 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,959 Speaker 1: remote area, very few job opportunities. But then secondly they're 607 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: known for raising raising caine in the in the convert 608 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 1: in like the local town meetings and stuff. They want 609 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 1: all the fluorescent lights gone except I believe Werner Herzog 610 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: did a mini doc on this community of folks that 611 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: that suffer from from that that believe they suffer from 612 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,959 Speaker 1: that condition. And they they have like a whole little 613 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,720 Speaker 1: kind of almost commune kind of vibe. It's very hippie 614 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. They're playing bluegrass music and living in 615 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: the hills, you know, and not using phones you're right right, 616 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: which you know. You don't have to believe you have 617 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: e h S. You have to think you have a 618 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 1: medical condition to acknowledge. That could be a really good time. 619 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody at some point has been tired of 620 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: having a phone around them constantly. Yeah, well, if you're 621 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: out there and you can hear this, can I come 622 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: hang and bring my Jim bay? Do you guys do 623 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: drum circles? Everybody does? Doesn't know how to snap? And yeah, 624 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,399 Speaker 1: we we would seriously love to hear from people who 625 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,919 Speaker 1: live in a community like this, would love to hear 626 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,399 Speaker 1: your take. Again, We're we're not making judgment calls. We're 627 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: just saying what the current medical consensus is at this point. 628 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: There is one last note we need to make. It 629 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: is absolutely absolutely true that high levels of electromagnetic radiation 630 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: can hurt people. It's true that we are inundated with 631 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: more invisible energy than any previous generation of humanity ever, 632 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: full stop. So perhaps that's why the idea of the 633 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: tinfoil hat endures in the modern day. There's just enough science, 634 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: there's just enough concern to make a lot of us 635 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,439 Speaker 1: think twice after we laugh at that loon on television. Um, 636 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: I kind of tell you guys, one one error. I 637 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: realized about this tinfoil hat. It's not a like a 638 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: breathable substance. I think, I think my hair is probably 639 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: a mess under this thing. Should we check it out? Uh? 640 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: Rather not? Got you've got tinfoil hat head? Yes, I've 641 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: got tinfoil hat head, just so, just before we wrap 642 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: it up. And I just think it's it's interesting to 643 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,280 Speaker 1: this this phenomenon definitely came in this form from fiction. 644 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: It is very much in line with like the the 645 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: image of the madman scrawling on the walls, you know 646 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: what I mean, like like various ciphers and you know, 647 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,919 Speaker 1: connecting the dots and sort of like the conspiracy red 648 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: threadboard and all of that stuff. It's definitely part and 649 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: parcel with that kind of iconography. And I think it's 650 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,879 Speaker 1: super interesting that you were able to trace it back 651 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: to that Huxley short story, because I thought maybe it 652 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: was based in reality to some degree, but obviously it is, 653 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,439 Speaker 1: but not necessarily in that form. It is strange, isn't 654 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: it the way that fiction and fact can kind of 655 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: intermingle back and forth in this odd dance where it 656 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: becomes increasingly difficult at times to separate one from the other. Still, uh, 657 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: we we know. I love you bring up this example 658 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: of other tropes like the madman scrawling on the wall, 659 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: or of course the conspiracy wall with the string and 660 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: everything attached to it. These these ideas all come from somewhere, 661 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: and sometimes it's not the fact that informs the fiction, 662 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: but the fiction that starts to inform the fact. I'm 663 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 1: just now, I'm just saying fortune cookie things. I'm doing 664 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: a word salad. Sorry, guys, I think I think the 665 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,320 Speaker 1: I think the hats getting to me. So I seriously 666 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 1: would love to I think we all would love to 667 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: hear from someone who feels that they have experienced e 668 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: h S. Or from someone who feels that they have 669 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: successfully blocked some kind of damaging M damaging energy with 670 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: a Faraday cage of some sort. And you know, we 671 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: didn't even talk about the pain raise. We didn't even 672 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: talk about Havana syndrome. You know what I mean. Has 673 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: anybody at the State Department tried wearing a tinfoil hat? 674 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,320 Speaker 1: That just sounds silly to say thought control rays, psychotronic scanning. 675 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: Don't mind that because I'm protected because I made this 676 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: hat something like that. Sorry weird, sorry weird or have 677 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 1: wherever you go by the angster. Uh yes, yes, So 678 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: with our shout out to weird al himself, we would 679 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: love to hear from you. Let us know what's on 680 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: your mind. Have you ever worn at infoil hat seriously? 681 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,919 Speaker 1: Or known someone who has? Uh? Tell us what went down? 682 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,359 Speaker 1: We try to be easy to find online. That's right. 683 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: You can find us on the internet on Facebook, Twitter, 684 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: and YouTube under the handle at conspiracy Stuff. We're on 685 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: Instagram at Conspiracy Stuff Show. But wait, there's more. Yes, 686 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: order our book. Oh you can please if you want to, 687 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: if you're if you have the funds and the interest. 688 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 1: Where where do the where do the lovely people go 689 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: to do that thing? Matt oh Man? You can go everywhere. 690 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: There are a bunch of different websites. There's this one 691 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 1: called Amazon, Like, you don't have to use that one. 692 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,880 Speaker 1: You can if you want, you can go to your 693 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: local bookstore. Him you want stuff they don't want you 694 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: to know. The book, not the British one, the one 695 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: from us, you'll see it. And honestly, if he does 696 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 1: google stuff that don't want you to know book, various 697 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: outlets will come up good Reads. Uh Barnes and Noble 698 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,959 Speaker 1: is the top hit. And then there's even a little 699 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 1: section over to the right of a various outlets where 700 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 1: you can find it in preorder. It's even on Target. Wow, 701 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: real book. You can preorder it now. Amazing illustrations with 702 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,800 Speaker 1: amazing illustrations by our dear friend and compatriot of the show, 703 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: UM Admiral Turbot, Nick Benson fantastic mural artists here in 704 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: town in Atlanta, and he is absolutely knocked out of 705 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 1: the park. You can actually see if you want. You 706 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: can preview some of the art on our various instagrams. 707 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 1: I just reposted on how Now Noel Brown on Instagram 708 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: UM one of Nick's kind of detail shots of one 709 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,320 Speaker 1: of the images that he did for the chapters. And 710 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: I know Ben you've done the same. Yeah. You can 711 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 1: head over to at Ben Bullen bow l I in 712 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: on Instagram where you can get behind the scenes peak 713 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 1: at some of the research that I'm doing, some of 714 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:16,319 Speaker 1: the various side projects and misadventures uh AM currently in 715 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:22,879 Speaker 1: the midst of, including the exploration of a mysterious subterranean passage. 716 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,360 Speaker 1: Is a true story that goes far beyond the physical 717 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: footprint of the building I found it in. It is 718 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,319 Speaker 1: some Cathulu stuff that you are exploring, my friend, and 719 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: I fear for your safety, insanity, but I love every 720 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: minute of it. You guys want to go together? Alright, alright, 721 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: all right, I'll go, I'll bring up the rear. Well, 722 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: we need somebody to at the very least stand stand 723 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,720 Speaker 1: guard at the entrance so that we don't get locked in. Um, 724 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,520 Speaker 1: maybe we'll do more urban exploration. But yes, yeah, check 725 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: check that out. You know, we greatly appreciate your support. Uh, 726 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: this is really worton to us. It's our first time, 727 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 1: first time doing a project like this book, and it 728 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,359 Speaker 1: took a lot of effort, and it is specifically for you. Yes, 729 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 1: you're listening, I don't know. Not that person standing next 730 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 1: to you. You can get them a copy too, if 731 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,840 Speaker 1: you want. But we made this for you and we 732 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: hope you enjoy it. If you don't like the social 733 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: needs and if you uh, you've got some stuff on 734 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,439 Speaker 1: your mind, something bouncing around and that tinfoil hat of yours, uh, 735 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 1: and you want to tell it to us, we'd love 736 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,920 Speaker 1: to hear from you. And you don't need the internet 737 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 1: to contact us. You can just give us a call, like, 738 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: take the foil off your phone and then give us 739 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: a ring. Yeah, it works. Once the foils off, it works. 740 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: Call one eight three three st d W y t K. 741 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:48,880 Speaker 1: Can they or can they not reach us on that 742 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 1: number using a landline if they don't want to even 743 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 1: get involved in any radiation of any kind. You know, 744 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,719 Speaker 1: I haven't tested the landline situation. I wonder if any 745 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 1: of you have called from a landline, please call us 746 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,719 Speaker 1: back and let us know if you have a t 747 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,360 Speaker 1: n C is still a thing, and I think Verizon 748 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 1: a couple of other companies still do it too. Um 749 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 1: when you call it, give yourself a cool nickname. Then 750 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,759 Speaker 1: you've got three minutes. Say whatever you'd like. Let us 751 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 1: know if we can use your message, your name, and 752 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: your voice somewhere within that message. And if you've got 753 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 1: more to say than can fit in that three minute message, 754 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 1: why not instead send us a good old fashioned email. 755 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:46,920 Speaker 1: We are conspiracy at i heeart radio dot com. Stuff 756 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know is a production of 757 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, 758 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,840 Speaker 1: visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 759 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,240 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.