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Speaker 1: that's in the Trinity League. Right, absolutely, I think that's

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00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 1: where that kid went. I remember hearing about him coming

430
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 1: out of high school. But yeah, he's I mean he

431
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 1: should be will trained because he played in a pet Harlow. Okay,

432
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, former SC linement, right yeah, sc

433
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. He used to be a head coach at

434
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,120
Speaker 1: Jasonah and now he stepped back to the offering the line.

435
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 1: But like, don't quote me on that, but for some reason,

436
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 1: I believe that's where he went to high school. But

437
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,399
Speaker 1: he's a good player and he had you know, he's

438
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,400
Speaker 1: some good battles with Thibodeau when you watched at that tape.

439
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 1: But I think he'll go in the second round. So

440
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 1: then you've got Petite Freer from from Ohio state. You know,

441
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,959
Speaker 1: if I have more of a late too in my opinion,

442
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: maybe even in the third round. Some other interesting names,

443
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 1: but that's kind of the gist of it. With those tackles.

444
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 1: I I'm with you, though, I think it's a good group.

445
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's no Sewels or Slaters. Like

446
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 1: Slater's tape was flawless and Sewell's upside was off the

447
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 1: charts as a twenty year old. I don't think we

448
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,239
Speaker 1: have anybody with the upside of school. I don't think

449
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 1: anyway the Polish is Slater. No, because with Slater, when

450
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,440
Speaker 1: we gotta remember man, he was pitching shutouts against legit dudes,

451
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 1: against against high level guys like Chase Young, those guys

452
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 1: not even sniffing the quarterback, and so that's the standard.

453
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,199
Speaker 1: But these guys are are pretty good, you know. The

454
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 1: one thing that we always worry about is it's one

455
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 1: thing for us to say they're really good players, but

456
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 1: when we hand in the card and they come off

457
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: the board as a top five player, expectation is that

458
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a dominant player. They're gonna be one

459
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: of those uh Hall of Fame types, And it just

460
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: may not be the case, and so that's why. That's why,

461
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: and we'll get we we talked about him in the

462
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 1: day with the lineman though. But but I mean that's

463
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Speaker 1: why if you told me we had five or six

464
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: d n s going to top ten picks, wouldn't shock

465
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: me at all. I like the defensive ends you know,

466
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: a lot in this draft, so it wouldn't be surprised

467
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: we see those guys go flying off the board. Okay,

468
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 1: let's get some interior offensive linemen before we get over

469
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: to the fun stuff with the white outs. Here, we're

470
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Speaker 1: your top five interior guys. All right, top five, so

471
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Speaker 1: we'll go Tyler Lennon, bum I U, Kenyan Green Texas

472
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 1: and him Zion Johnson from Boston College, Daryan Kinnard from Kentucky,

473
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 1: and Jamari Sailor from Georgia. Yeah, that's a good group.

474
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,719
Speaker 1: I like that group. Um, linder Bomb is going to

475
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: be a fascinating one. I have him as my second one.

476
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: I have Kenyan Green, who's just bigger guys three pounds. Yeah,

477
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: that was ald that was hard for me. That was

478
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 1: that was the big Yeah. So to me, it's just

479
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: you know what's gonna hurt linder Bomb a little bit.

480
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 1: Is that you've got Garrett Bradberry, who was center only

481
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: it was a little bit undersized, and who's got beat

482
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: up a little bit in Minnesota. And I love Bradberry

483
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: coming out, but those guys typically go in the late

484
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 1: teens um and I think that maybe he gets punished

485
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 1: for the sins of Bradberry a little bit and maybe

486
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 1: he slides into the twenties. Would be my I wouldn't

487
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: shock me. Yeah we would shot. I mean, you know

488
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: the funny thing you talked about Bradbury because I remember, man,

489
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 1: we loved him, Oh yeah, we remember. Yeah. We just

490
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: talked about how he was so perfect for his own

491
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,239
Speaker 1: based system, how he can rip and run and he's

492
00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: gonna get on people and he can run his feet,

493
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: he can climb to the next level. And those sides

494
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: on his nose that didn't go and then what happened

495
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: They put they put some bigs on him and they

496
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: knocked his head and knocked his head into his shoulders

497
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: a little bit. He wasn't able to uh do it.

498
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: And so with Linda Bom, it's all the technical skills,

499
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: it's all the versatility, like look he plays in play

500
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 1: guard and all that other stuff, but it is more

501
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: high i Q instincts, awareness and refinement than sheer, strength,

502
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: power and bullyball. I think he'll be a center only

503
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think anybody's gonna want to

504
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 1: play it. You know him at guard, I just don't.

505
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: I don't see that happening. So that that'll be uh,

506
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: that'll be a fascinating on. Kenyan Green's got you know,

507
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: position flex you can play tackle if you wanted to.

508
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: But he's a guard. Um and he's you know, he's

509
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 1: just three pounds. That's a big man, big man DJ.

510
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here looking at my report and I'm just

511
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: talking about man. The dude is an athletic phone booths controller,

512
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: Like he can put you in the phone booth and

513
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: just absolutely worried over. And then it's just us. When

514
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: you watch him on the pinning pool when he has

515
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: to pull and come around. Man, you talk about the

516
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: power that he unleashes on displaces people. I mean he

517
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: moves people off the ball, and then that's just I mean,

518
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: this is rare to find. I mean he is a dominant,

519
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: dominant guy on the move. I mean he cleans you

520
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 1: off the screen. Um. So you've got Zion Johnson. Then

521
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: you've got you had Canard in there from Kentucky. Was

522
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: played tackle. A lot of people think he'll kick in

523
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: the guard. Saw your undersized tackle Georgia. Who's who's he's

524
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: a good player kicking inside. Let me give you some

525
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: other names here to just monitor at the combine. I

526
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: really like Luke Fortner from Kentucky. I think he's gonna

527
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Speaker 1: be a you know, starting center guard. He either one,

528
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,239
Speaker 1: he's almost six four three or two pounds. He he

529
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: was good. Uh, he's good on tape. He is good

530
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl Kentucky. Man, they got a bunch

531
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: of offensive lineman. Uh talk about Kinnard. You mentioned him.

532
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: They've got another guard as well. Um she was the

533
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: other one. Uh man another they've got another offensive lineman

534
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: off fine them in here somewhere, But yeah, they've they've

535
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: got they've got dudes. Zion Johnson, technician, solid cold, strange

536
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: is gonna be kind of Uh, he's gonna be really

537
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: well thought of with that zone outside zone teams. You know,

538
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: some of the athleticism showed he could play some center.

539
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: It was a little bit uh hit or missing one

540
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: on one of the Senior Bowl. Had some struggles with size,

541
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: but man, he can move and he's just everybody loves

542
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: his temperament and the way he plays. A couple of

543
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: other fun ones kind of in this next tier. Logan

544
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: Bruss from Wisconsin, who's a tackle I think is gonna

545
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: be a guard. Bill Dunkle from San Diego State. It's

546
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: a great name for an offensive lineman. Um just a

547
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: mall or brawler. Um. Luca Decki from Central Michigan's got

548
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: a lot of love around the league as well. Um.

549
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: So then you've got ed Ingram from l s U. Like,

550
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: these guys are all third round, fourth round type guys.

551
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: Good good players, Yeah, good players, But DZ, we've seen

552
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: those guys that you can put on the inside, guys

553
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,479
Speaker 1: that understand how to work with their neighbors, you know,

554
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: like they can make up some of the deficiencies, but

555
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: understanding how to play with body up positioning, how to

556
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: play with angles, how to sit heavy either inside or outside,

557
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,239
Speaker 1: because you know you've got a big body that can

558
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: kind of nudge and make the space tight for the

559
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: interior pass rusher. The one thing that we're seeing though,

560
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: that is probably not negotiable. If you reguard. You better

561
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: have some anchor, because that's what I'm saying, that's what

562
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: you want to firm pocket. Yeah, because the way these

563
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: guys are coming in the way they're pushing, Like just

564
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: think about and I know Aaron Donald's Aaron Donald, but

565
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: just the way that he was walking people back, deep deep,

566
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: deep right to the quarterback. That guy has to be

567
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: able to sit and just hold the point and be

568
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: firm enough not to continue to allow penetration. You better

569
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: check if they got some They need to have some

570
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: rocks in their pody. Have some braakes, but I have

571
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: some breaks. By the way, another Kentucky linement was Darry

572
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: Rosenthal has a tackle, so I know they have three

573
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: offensive linement. It's always funny to me when you see

574
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: these teams like a Kentucky who has been kind of

575
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 1: down for a long time, and all of a sudden, man,

576
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: they've got a good football team. Yeah, no joke, take

577
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: a good players, you know, and especially in the at

578
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. It's funny how that works once

579
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: you start going to the draft process. Oh yeah, that's

580
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: why that's why Kentucky is pretty good. They got dudes.

581
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: They do have dudes. And DJ. Just think about the

582
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: last two or three years, the number of Kentucky guys

583
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: that we've seen make their way to the national football

584
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: They on both sides of the ball. Um, it's not

585
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: a coincidence that Stoops has it going. You know, they

586
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: have really good players. They play a physical brand of football,

587
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: and we can talk about it, we can knock it.

588
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: But in the SEC, man in the trenches, if you're

589
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: a team looking for people in the trenches, you have

590
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: to sniff around because in the SEC, they not by

591
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: football have those guys, but they play big boy football

592
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: on a weekly basis, and those guys are more likely

593
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 1: to be ready for the way the pro game is

594
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: no doubt. Um, all right, let's uh, let's take a

595
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll come back and jump into these

596
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: white outs. All right, Buck, Now is the fun stuff.

597
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: This is a it's a fun group of wide receivers.

598
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: But I guess I will let me go back. I'm

599
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: gonna pull up last year's list and uh, and while

600
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: I really like this group of white Outs, I think

601
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of depth. I want to kind of

602
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: play the comparison game with you before you give me

603
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: your top five list. When we go back to last year.

604
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you my my white out. You tell

605
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 1: me where that your number one white out in this

606
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: draft would slot in. So I'll just kind of go

607
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: down and you tell me where you would slot in.

608
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: You're ready? Um, okay, Jamaar Chase or who you've got

609
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: in this draft. I mean like those guys Early Wattle. Yeah,

610
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: it would take Waddle, DeVante Smith, take Devontae and now

611
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: we get to now we get to like Elijah Moore.

612
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: I would take Draken. I have Draken London number one.

613
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: That thus begins the conversation. Okay, so I just wanted

614
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: to provide some context from last year this year, but

615
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: go ahead, rip your top five and so now it's

616
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: important because you provided context. Uh, DeVante Smith was the

617
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: last of those guys taken. He was taking what eleven? Yeah,

618
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: so that's what we're talking about. So now we're talking

619
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: about top ten talents in comparison to the previous year.

620
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: So Drake London is one, Jamison Williams from Alabama for

621
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: me too, Garrett Wilson Ohio State is three, Johan Dotson

622
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: Penn State is for then tray Lin Burks from Arkansas

623
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: is five. Now I will say this with with an

624
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: asterisk and a caveat. It is really hard to rank

625
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: the wide receivers one to five because is flavors is

626
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: how we're building the team, is what we need. And

627
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: when we talk about breaking these guys up in the categories,

628
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: I break them up in the three different categories. I

629
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: have my big plate threats. I have my chain movers,

630
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: which are more of my possession receivers, my route runners,

631
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: and then I have my red zone weapons, which are

632
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: the big size guys or whatever. Drake Lendon is a

633
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: red zone weapon. I mean he can be a chain

634
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: movering those things. Not necessarily big play threat. Um I

635
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: do it. Jamison Williams is a big late threat, like

636
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna get over the top. Garret Wilson to me,

637
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: falls more in line with the chain mover, but he

638
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: has some extra stuff to him. John Dockson is more

639
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: look man, He's kind of quick, explosive. He has some

640
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: of the chain moving the bill, but he can be

641
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: the one. And then Traylon Burke's is another red zone

642
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: weapon with size and those things. And then we haven't

643
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: even talked about the Produce Kid and all these other

644
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: guys that are just on the fringes of being in

645
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: the conversation. Had people hit me up about Crystal Olive

646
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: and what do you put in? I mean only can

647
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: put five five in the mix. Like, there's so many

648
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: guys that are worthy of being in that conversation that

649
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: I think because it's so deep. I think you can, like,

650
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: man if if this is one of those games shows,

651
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: I think you can pass and come back to it

652
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: and probably get similar values, similar production. Yeah, it's it's

653
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: definitely a flavor. It's definitely a flavor draft in terms

654
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: of what you're looking for and kind of what you emphasize.

655
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: I do want to show you. I'm gonna pull up

656
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 1: this one picture here so I can show it to you.

657
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 1: So I was, I was talking to a buddy and

658
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm I have Garrett Wilson as as the top dude, right. So,

659
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: and he's got some phenomenal ball skills down the field

660
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: in terms of making some spectacular catches by and he go, uh, hey,

661
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: go back and watch the Clemson game from his freshman

662
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: year in the catch that he makes down the sideline.

663
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: So I went back and watched that, and then I

664
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: got the freeze frame or whatever, and so I just

665
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: want to look at this Look at this picture. Tell

666
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: me if you think that's normal, Buck, Oh, it is ridiculous.

667
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm going over top of like I mean, that was like, Yeah,

668
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: that's one of the best. That's one of the best

669
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: above the rim catches I think I've ever seen. But

670
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: um so it's what you emphasize. To get back to

671
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: the point is kind of what are you looking for?

672
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: What do you want? What do you emphasize to me?

673
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: I thought Garrett Wilson was what do you call the

674
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: ice cream when you put the multiple flavors in there? Yeah,

675
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: he's in my Neapolitan he can he's he gives you

676
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything there in terms of what

677
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: blue Yeah, yeah, a little bit of that. See, that's

678
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: that's him. So. Um, I like the toughness, I like

679
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: the play strength. That's why I had him as a

680
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: top guy. Drake Lennon was my second guy who again

681
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: gives you that size. I think you might end up

682
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: just being a big slot, which is nothing wrong with that,

683
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: I said now, and where people out in there, I've

684
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: seen Michael Thomas were people out in there. Um, I

685
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: think he's got a chance to do that stuff. Um.

686
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: Ben Fennel, our buddy who helps me with really is

687
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: kind of the godsend for me with the draft stuff

688
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: and putting all our exos together for the combine and

689
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: the draft. He uh, he watches all these guys and

690
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: does all his own work. And he had tweeted out

691
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: something about how there hasn't been a receiver that's like

692
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: six four or six five that was under to ten

693
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, that has been successful. The only one who's

694
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: been to a Pro Bowl in like the last twenty

695
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: years was A J. Green and I so I called

696
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: him and I said, Benny, but would you if I

697
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: told you right now, like say you have the tenth

698
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: pick and you could I could give you a better

699
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: version of te Higgins, would you do it? He signed

700
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: up for that in a heartbeat. Yeah. I think he's

701
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: a better I think he's a better prospect than Tee

702
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: Higgins was coming out to Higgins. I think of the

703
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: thousand yard receiver this year. We saw what he did

704
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Um and this this this guy gives

705
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: you a little bit more. So that's that's to me

706
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: is kind of the is an interesting conference. I know

707
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: Mike Evans is the one that we talked about two,

708
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: Mike Evans a little bit stronger. Um, but now this

709
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: this gets a good player, not a really good player.

710
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: It's funny you bring up to T Higgins things because

711
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: we always learned from our experiences. So when T Higgins

712
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: was coming out one, I really would have I mean

713
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: I felt like I was heavy on him going in.

714
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: But then when you go back and you watch his

715
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: basketball highlights and clips, my goodness, like if you factored

716
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: in and and like if you wanted to sell him.

717
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: If I'm in the room and we're like, hey, can hey,

718
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 1: can we fall the huddle and just shows show him

719
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: dunking a little bit, that athleticism that length. You guess

720
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: who else was a hooper? Drake London went to USC

721
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: play basketball. Did did I tell Did I tell you

722
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: my Drake London story? No? Okay. So I am at

723
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: the time, I am coaching at Notre Dame High School.

724
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: I am the offensive coordinated. We're playing more Park High School.

725
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: Drake London is the number one receiver for more Park

726
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: High School. We are running the ball up and down

727
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: the field of me and runing f four yards that game,

728
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: Drake London is playing wide out and we have no

729
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: answer and So we get to the end of the

730
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: game and um, they score, and they decided to go

731
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: for two, and so DJ is going to the big guy.

732
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah you know where it's going. DJ put him in

733
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: the slot and they run a little post corner and

734
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: literally they just throw an alley. You and my little

735
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: guys who are destined to be accountants and lawyers and

736
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: doctors or whatever. I mean, it's almost like them trying

737
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: to climb Godzilla. They're just hanging at his feet and

738
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: he's just swatting the helicopters as he pulls this ball down.

739
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: And at that moment, I go and I laughed, and

740
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I mean, look, sometimes guys are just

741
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: better and that, and that's him. And then you watch him.

742
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: He does play basketball. I want to say, it's freshman

743
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: year SC. But then DJ the same thing that he

744
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: did the SC against all the Pact twil I mean

745
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: did the same thing against us in high school. Like,

746
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: this is what he's going to do. Very competitive, can

747
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: win the fifty balls. He takes it down and he's

748
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: going to expand the strike zone just because of his size.

749
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: The one thing that I hope for him is if

750
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: someone will put him inside so they can take advantage

751
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: of not only his ability to kind of be that

752
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: big slot guy, but to come in and dig out

753
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: linebackers and safety. Is gonna be a physical president in

754
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: the run game. That's where I think his value becomes special.

755
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: Sticking him outside is one thing. You put him inside

756
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: and allow him to be that big target inside the numbers.

757
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: That's when quarterbacks are like, oh, yeah, that's he's my

758
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: best friend. I'm going through it to him all the time. See,

759
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm listening to you while I pulled up and I'm

760
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: watching Drake London's high school highlights his basketball how much

761
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: his basketball highlights got a little He's got like a

762
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: little Jalen Rose. He's a lefty. He's got rose to

763
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: him out there on the perimeter. I want to see.

764
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think he has that same

765
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: bounce that Tee Higgins. That te Higgins had some big

766
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: time bounce, big time bounce. Like I'm basketball scouting now.

767
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: It's just you see how this works. So here's the thing.

768
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: So and UM leading up to the Super Bowl, they

769
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: put out a huddle thing on all the Bengals that

770
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: played basketball, and it was um, te Higgins just absolutely

771
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: crushing dunks from everywhere. Is Joe Burrow showing his game.

772
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: He had a nice litt game. Jamar Chase underrated basketball

773
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: Underrated could get to the rack. You know, like people

774
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: think we're funny when we talk about multi sport stuff.

775
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: But DJ in the room, when we're having these conversations

776
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: about guys, it can be a separating we like you

777
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: might want to check out his high school thing because

778
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: we put him on the room, put those highlights up

779
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: on the room. It adds value to like, oh, I

780
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: didn't even know he was just kind of athlete because

781
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't see the athleticism play out on the

782
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: football field. Then when you watch it in high school,

783
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, oh I see it. Oh I mean

784
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: I uh. By the way, if you want to have

785
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: some fun, if you haven't seen it already, I remember

786
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: when Nelson Aglar was coming out. Just just like putting

787
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: YouTube Nelson Aghilar dunk and watch that dude get up.

788
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: You see his bounce and get off the grounds like whoa, yeah,

789
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: like you want to see those things and so now

790
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: look great. London is interesting. There's so many guys at

791
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: whid receiver in his draft that are um fast. We

792
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: we've we've talked a lot about these top guys before,

793
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: so what kind of zipped through those? But like trailing Burke's,

794
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, the big physicality. We'll see how fast he run.

795
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna have almost the leven inch hands. He's kind

796
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: of got some freakish stuff to him. He's gonna swallow

797
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: up the ball. Combine will be good just watching the

798
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: run a variety of routes because you don't get to

799
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: see all the routes. He's a playmaker. He's a playmaker

800
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: more than the route run. Somebody asked me the day

801
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: who has the best hands in the draft? I think

802
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: it's John Dotson from Penn State. He's got phenomenal ball skills.

803
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: My my, my old my college offensive coordinator Whitey Jordan's

804
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: was saying, hey man, that guy can catch a BB

805
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: in the dark. That is what John Dawston can do.

806
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: He can go, he can pluck it. It is very

807
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: natural and easy to him. He is the natural pass

808
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: catchers that we talk about loving. Those guys normally are

809
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: your number one receivers. Can I warn everybody not to

810
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: freak out, by the way, because what's gonna happen is

811
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: Olave is gonna might run like four three two four

812
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: three four. He's going to fly. And then Garrett Wilson

813
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: would not be shocked if he ran four or five

814
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 1: flat or four or five two. Don't care. Garrett Wilson

815
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: and I both those guys can play. They're both you,

816
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,959
Speaker 1: and they're both really good players. But I think there's

817
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: gonna be some probably social media explosion if if Garrett

818
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: Wilson runs four five five. I remember saying the same

819
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: thing about Justin Jefferson, right, Justin Jefferson, like, hey, be prepared.

820
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: He's a great player, but he might run four or

821
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: five five. Then Justin Jefferson ran like fourth three. Its

822
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: like I don't worry about Okay, we're fine. Um, But

823
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: that was kind of the kind of like the stories

824
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: you hear on him is he's probably not gonna run

825
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: as fast as people think. But the best receivers in

826
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: the NFL, the majority of them are kind of in

827
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: that four or five range. Yeah, they end of four

828
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: or five rang because they have to be able to

829
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: start and stop. Like, stopping is the biggest thing when

830
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: it comes to being a great route runner, and your

831
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: number one receivers more times than not they are in

832
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: that four or five five range because they do have

833
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: the ability to do all that other stuff. Sometimes when

834
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: you're a fast guy, really hard if you to slow

835
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: down and do some of the things that you want

836
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: to see when you're running digs and comebacks, you just

837
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: kind of limited in the ROWT tree to the things

838
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: that allow you to keep your speed on the move. Um,

839
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: let me roll through a couple more guys here. Jamison Williams.

840
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: We've talked about a bunch. You know. If he doesn't

841
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: get hurt to be long gone, you have them way

842
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: up there on your list. Big time vertical threat. He's

843
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: got ridiculous speed. Um, we gotta get him healthy. Some

844
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: other guys that are interesting here for different reasons. Um.

845
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: Jalen Tilbert we saw down there at the Senior Bowl

846
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: from South Alabama, size speed combination, big play guy. George

847
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: Pickens has been hurt at Georgia. You know, so you

848
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: just saw him at the end of the year here,

849
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: But you can go I went back and watch the stuff.

850
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: He's guy man, you can go up and get it. Yeah,

851
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: George Pickins, you saw him come in the championship game.

852
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: Big played down for the ar kids. So you already

853
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: know that he has it in him. And you know,

854
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: one of the things when we're scouting DJ, it's not

855
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: just the final season before they come out. Gray scouts

856
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: dig a little deeper and make sure they understand the

857
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: total body of work that a guy is able to present.

858
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting when you look at George picken Um.

859
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: I'll give you a couple more here. Sky Moore is

860
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: one of my favorite guys to watch from Western Michigan.

861
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen you go big on him. We

862
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: talked about it on the thing Western Michigan. You see

863
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 1: him make plays and he can do all the other stuff.

864
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: He's Antonio Brown with his clothes on, like with a

865
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: shirt on, a uniform. Keeps it on, doesn't get it

866
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: like you know, he keeps it on. It makes it happen.

867
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: Good player. David Bell from Purdue. Uh, you mentioned him.

868
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: One of my kind of kind of guys, maybe a

869
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: little bit off the radar. Dijon Dixon from Nickel State.

870
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: He's a good player. You might have saw him at

871
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: an All Star game, right hey, the collegiable he should

872
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: have been the m v P. He had over a

873
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: hundred yards in the game. He can play man. He

874
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: made a third round. I put him in like the

875
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: third round. He made a handful of fifty fifty catches

876
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: down the sideline. Uh. He was a dominant player. He

877
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: can run the in breaking rouse to slants in those things.

878
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: He's a really good player, very productive. Yeah, I was

879
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: a big fan of his. He was a pleasant surprise. Um,

880
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: you've got Josh Johnson, who's a toothpick get tulsa hundred

881
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 1: seventy six pounds, but he can scoot. Okay, So here's

882
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: the thing. So Josh Johnson didn't play great at the

883
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: East West s Phrine game. Said when I talked to

884
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: some people from Pittsburgh, They're like, oh, this is Antonio

885
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: Brown all day. Like, this is Antonio Brown in terms

886
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: of just the wiggle, the burst, how he can kind

887
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: of get away. And they told me that early in

888
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: the week. Now, he didn't play great in the game,

889
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: but that those comparisons, people just don't throw those out there,

890
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: particularly when you've worked in an organization. And then yeah,

891
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: like that that was really impressives. He's he's one to watch.

892
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: John macchi um from Alabama he's another one with the injury.

893
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: But man, he's just a powerful smooth route runner. I

894
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: don't think he's super super exjuiced up and explosive, but

895
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: he's been a good player in Alabama for a long time.

896
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: A couple of guys from the Senior Bowl Khalil Shakire,

897
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: I think that Day one starter as a slot Christian

898
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: Watson from North Dakota State was one of the best

899
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: guys down there. He's got big time ability to get

900
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: down the field. He's a little more loose and more

901
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: more fluid um then you would think for a guy

902
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: that side. So I mean there's a whole host of whiteouts.

903
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: I will say I went back and compared the not

904
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: just the top but the depth. So I think the

905
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: middle tier from last year I would take over the

906
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: middle tier from this year. I think there's good kind

907
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: of depth all the way through. But if we look

908
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: at last year, I thought last year had better top

909
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: couple of guys, three guys, and then I would say

910
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: kind of that middle tier when you start comparing, you know,

911
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: kind of those those middle guys, those second third round guys.

912
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: I just I thought last year we had some maybe

913
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: some a little bit more in terms of the second

914
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: third round guys, just in terms of upside Yeah, No,

915
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: I can see that. I think they're really good players. Um.

916
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: Throughout it. I think the conversation would be interesting in

917
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: terms of when you pull the trigger on these guys.

918
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: The combine will certainly have a say in some of

919
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: the separation between these guys, because ultimately, guys fall in

920
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: love with the times and what that that that that

921
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: sticker says on the court. Um, but this is some

922
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: good playmakers, and I think we have to continue to

923
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: keep in our mind. Um, we're on the outside looking in.

924
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: I think basketball team, what role are they pegging the

925
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: wide receiver for when he gets to the next level?

926
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: Or is he a big play threat? Is he a

927
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: chain mover? Is he a red zone option specialists? What

928
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: role do they envision for the player? It could speak

929
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: volumes about why they decided to pick them where they

930
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: picked him, no doubt. Um. But anyways, if you need

931
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, I think we could say this any

932
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: year going forward, you can find them. You're gonna be

933
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: able to find some guys as you go through the draft.

934
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: It's it's a deep group. Um, all right, Buck, that

935
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: was a fun way to kind of look at those positions. Um,

936
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: we'll we'll do a couple more here on on the

937
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: next podcast, and we'll keep this this train moving here.

938
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: But pretty fun here man, as we get ready for

939
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: the combine. Any other thoughts before we get out of here,

940
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: You no, like it's kind of funny, um how quickly

941
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: it would be upon us, like next week, We're there. Yep,

942
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: We're there. I'm gonna get back to the tape here

943
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: and trying to finish all these guys up. Man, I

944
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: gotta a few running backs left to do, and man,

945
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: I got a lot of linebackers and dbs to look at.

946
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: So we'll get there, man, playing catch up, but we'll

947
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: get there. Yeah, we certainly will be playing catch up

948
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: into the very into the very end until they kick

949
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: it off for real. Yeah. By the way, I've got

950
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Speaker 1: our T shirt idea. You know, we did like the

951
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: the election year t shirts that's spent a couple of

952
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: years now we'll probably do We're do for a new

953
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: T shirt. So I'll seeing maybe the audience can help

954
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: us a little bit here, uh and let us know

955
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: maybe in the review section on Apple Podcasts. But I

956
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: was trying to think of kind of like our what

957
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: are our little lines that we've used on here that

958
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: maybe are singular to our show, and um, you know,

959
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: trucks and trailers would be uh would be up there right. Um,

960
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 1: Tomato cans part of a lexicon, right, Uh, waldoes part

961
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: of our lexicon. Um. I'm trying to think. So we

962
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Speaker 1: need some I need some help on some of the

963
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: other things that we may be reference on here that

964
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: you don't hear other places. So we can maybe get

965
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: a T shirt with kind of a collection of all

966
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: these little items on there. Buck and then it's kind

967
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: of like an inside thing with our with our listeners.

968
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that. Let's bring him in.

969
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: We're inclusive. We are inclusive here. Yeah, we're trying to

970
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: bring get everybody going here. Um, all right, I appreciate

971
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: you guys hanging with us. Combine is gonna be here

972
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: before you know it. Again, shout out to the bill,

973
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: best producer in the business. We'll catch you next time.

974
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Speaker 1: Right here, I'll move the sticks.