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Speaker 1: to you, Cheers and money. Thank you so much. This

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Speaker 1: off right. UM. You you chose to dive into the tequila.

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Speaker 1: a lot of I'm very sensitive to things, to people's

426
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: like all of that. So that's where the tears come,

427
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: that's where the you know, the tension comes from. But

428
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: but I don't want enemies and I don't like if

429
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: I I just don't see the point of that, do

430
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I want to be on

431
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: good accord with everybody and to take accountability too, for

432
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: accountability is everything. So as it pertains to the time

433
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: between my second album and when I turned eighteen, nobody

434
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: knows what I was going through in my family life.

435
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: And I'll probably say that for for a book one day,

436
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: because that was more deeply painful than anything that was

437
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: going on with the label and my mom was managing me.

438
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: That was a very interesting experience. And so it's not

439
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: just somebody's fault, it's not just this person's fault, it's

440
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: not just my fault. Things culminate for a perfect storm

441
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: or a you know, things culminate and come together in

442
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: a unique way, and I think it's important to like

443
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: dissect it all. I love that I love that. That's

444
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: that's that's amazing. It's amazing that that you can see

445
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: it that way. I wouldn't be able to be here.

446
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: If I couldn't see it that way, it would be

447
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: too heavy on you, too heavy. I would have gotten

448
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: way deeper into depression. Yea, beverages exactly. Whatever druvable I

449
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: always like went to the edge because I was sad

450
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: and depressed. I never fell off the edge, and that's

451
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: only by the grace of God. I don't know how

452
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: to explain it other than man, hallelujah um um. So

453
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: the record, yeah's let's let's not want the success of

454
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: it though before you complete, I don't mean to cut

455
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: you off about the success of being fourteen years old

456
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: having a platinum record. Yeah, Like who wrote get Out

457
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: so Soul? Shock and Carlin with a producer and then

458
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: like he has the word white in his name, like

459
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: whitey or something. I cannot think of the because I

460
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: wasn't there for the writing of it. It was already created.

461
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: I was twelve when I recorded. People in the comments,

462
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: they're going to tell us who Okay, yes, they stayed

463
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: trying to correct me. That's why I was suspended, right

464
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm back. Now, everything's gonna be all right. But so

465
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: you're you're fourteen years old? What do you do when

466
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: you get a platinum record at fourteen? It's got a

467
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: pizza in your feet. Let's keep diving into and you

468
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: did you know your your fee goes up show? Because

469
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: because you didn't know your I mean I probably knew

470
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: it at the time. I don't know it now. I'm

471
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: just saying, but you don't know what it was. Right,

472
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Your fee goes from let's use what's

473
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: what's the girl? Now? It goes from from four thousand

474
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: and fifteen thousands? Oh yeah, yeah, we just heard about that. Yeah,

475
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: she's example in three weeks. So you're gonna love it.

476
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: I know you. So you're gonna she goes from four

477
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: thousand a show to fifteen twenty thousand a show, like

478
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: two weeks. It has to call the people and say,

479
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: my fault, we made a mistake. How big change if

480
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: you need me to show up? So now you were,

481
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: you know, fourteen, and and the money is different. How

482
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: does that affect were you touching the money from? Okay? No,

483
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: the money went into a Coogan account until I was eighteen,

484
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: which means that you know, it's that from what I understand,

485
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: that was created like around the Shirley Temple time or

486
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: maybe maybe later, but to protect children from being exact

487
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: money got to But yeah, yeah, go ahead. You did

488
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: you get your I did get mine, But tell us

489
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: the story. Serious? Wait, so you were working again? Take lugging? Yeah,

490
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: I have a go I was not people the people.

491
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: The people came from mind people care like restitution or

492
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: some ship kes my my my mom was was handling that.

493
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: And then I had an agent and uh you know

494
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: that whole thing and business manager. So I wasn't really

495
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: I was not a where it was their teen You're

496
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: not aware? So were you aware of the difference in

497
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: uh in just your presence? You know what I'm saying,

498
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: because as you're as you're starting to do work and

499
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: and go to these shows, go to the mom anymore.

500
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: But then then I realized I'm quite famous. You did

501
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: you ever run into the podcast kids that was billing? Yeah?

502
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: I remember. You know what I want to know. Listen

503
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: on my fourteenth birthday, leave get out of Timmy, I

504
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: see you security. Timmy is my uncle planned this really

505
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: great birthday for me. My fourteenth birthday in Foxbro, which

506
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: is where you know the Patriots play, yeah, which is

507
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 1: where a lot of my family lives, and planned this

508
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: party at like the VFW. I don't know if from

509
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: the Northeast knows what I'm talking about, so um shout

510
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: out to Willia mcganni's real quick. That's my big dog

511
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: from from the From so through this fourteenth birthday and

512
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: I just remember everybody in the town trying to get

513
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: in and I was like I came out. I remember

514
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: that there were these girls who were mean to a

515
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: friend of mine and mean to me, like who like

516
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: tried to throw me in a locker and like tried

517
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 1: to who did throw me in a locker? You know?

518
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: Who just had me in the guidance counsels and they

519
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: wanted to be at my birthday. And I was like,

520
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: there was a security guard out there and I'm like,

521
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: tell them, they can't get in, and he was like,

522
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: you can't get in, and I was like, so that

523
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: made me feel good. You can't get in. You can't

524
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: get in. You can't love slogan. Can't sit with us,

525
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: you can't that's the new you can't sit with it.

526
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: You can't get in if your mean, hey, kids, there

527
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: should big consequences and repercussion. You might be your classmate

528
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: might be Jo Joe. It's giving karma. Yes, wow, So

529
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: you felt it that that was the highlight of the

530
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: platinum record that also, you know, the the TRL, you know,

531
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: all of that. Going to New York, Like that was

532
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: such a cool time for me because first of all,

533
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: I was the youngest of my of my peers of

534
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: that of that like time that that music was being

535
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: put out and stuff. I felt like such an outcast

536
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: once again, kind of like I was in school. I

537
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 1: just felt like, oh, where do I fit in because

538
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm a baby, Nobody wants to hang out with me

539
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: because everyone is eighteen. Plus Sierra was coming out around

540
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: the same time, but she was eighteen, so I felt

541
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: like so uncool. Even though people were like, oh my god,

542
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: you're so cool, I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm so embarrassing.

543
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: You could take full advancee no, no, no no. So

544
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: but I did feel that, yes, I was famous. People

545
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: liked my music. That was cool. My songs should be

546
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: playing on the radio. And I was like, wow, okay,

547
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: like everybody who made fun of me funck off. You know,

548
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: look at me, I'm at the Kiss concert playing it

549
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: now like that was exciting for me. But as far

550
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: as the money, I had no idea and neither did

551
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: my mom particularly, so we we just w 's on

552
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: the pizza. So we went from being poor to then

553
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: having money and being like whoa, Like what do you? Did?

554
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: You know how to deal with it from not losing

555
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: your mind because you watched so many kids stars not

556
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: know how to manage the power that they have now

557
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: because the brain winner has power no matter how old

558
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: you are exactly. So did you ever have a moment

559
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: where you kind of either had to tell yourself or

560
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: I'm tripping or somebody had to like grab you by

561
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: it by the arm and say, hey, you're still fourteen.

562
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: My mom my mom would always kind of pop the

563
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: my inflated head and you were having moments, Oh, definitely

564
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: having moments because there was always this threat of even

565
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: though there was already momentum in my career, always the

566
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: threat from her of I'm gonna, I'm gonna tomorrow You're

567
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: you're not doing this, you know, you're taking you out

568
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: of the industry, just if she if I didn't do

569
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: something that she liked. So there was that that kind

570
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: of vibe. But then to that, I would say, I

571
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: paid the bills. You know, we're having that conversationslutely. I

572
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: keep the lights on here. Wonderful. I can only imagine,

573
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: I can only imagine squirrel and we did. Yeah, and

574
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: fourteen years old picked on But now she's fought our

575
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: way out doing this Spanish. That was really good. Um,

576
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: I know he speaks. That is incredible. You said you

577
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: had to really like you had to square I mean

578
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: later into my later into my teenage life. Yeah. Again,

579
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: there were a lot of different dynamics at play, so

580
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: that was wrong. If I had a child and they

581
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: tried to do me like, definitely react in a different way.

582
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: But everybody's doing the best they can. So yeah, there

583
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: was a there was a lot of There was a

584
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: lot of friction, and I definitely had inflated sense of

585
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: self because I felt like, you, you know, you're getting

586
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: to live comfortably because I'm I'm working. So maybe that's

587
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: not the way to look at it, but I was like,

588
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: you're driving Alexus now and you saw that, you saw

589
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: the difference, you saw the difference in your life. You

590
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: realize that it was because of your work, because of

591
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: my work, her sacrifice, her her absolutely, her giving you

592
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: her time to support me. Is it almost a thing

593
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: where you just kind of want your voice to matter more,

594
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily that you want your voice to be the voice? Yeah?

595
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: Is it just you, Like listen, I have some texts,

596
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: I have some perspective on this, like I should be

597
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: uh my perspective and my voice should be accepted. Like look, yeah,

598
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: I think it was always that I kind of wanted, Um,

599
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to work more. Yeah. So so she she

600
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: wanted me to be a kid, and I didn't want

601
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: to be a kid. I already felt like I wasn't

602
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: a kid already. You've always been in the old soul. Yes,

603
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: So when you look back on that, do you wish

604
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 1: that you would have been a little more of experienced

605
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: being a teenager and a kid that you can't be

606
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: any voice. We're grown now. Yeah, I do think that

607
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: would have been a good thing for me as far

608
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: as like relationally, learning how to relate to people in

609
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: a better way. Like I missed out on trying to

610
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: give you balance. She was trying to give me balance. Um,

611
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: And I hear what you're saying, mh. But again, a

612
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: lot of different things play. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no,

613
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: I get it because I grew up in the industry.

614
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: I grew up, you know, singing in really early age

615
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: and not experiencing much of a childhood. My father, you

616
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you know, like he was practic. Yeah,

617
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: like we were. We were for we were for grouping,

618
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: and it was we thought we were going to be

619
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: the Jacksons, and it was rehearsal and rehearsal, and even

620
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: if you quit the group, you still got to rehearse.

621
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: Like this, Ship don't don't make sense because because pretty

622
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: much it was just like you're not quitting, you're not quitting,

623
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: and this is what's going to get us out of here.

624
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: So I understand. I understand that dynamic. And I and

625
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: I and I had a moment when we when we

626
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: were when our album was out, Like I got my

627
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: record deal when I was nine or ten or something

628
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: like that, and I remember going and performing and before

629
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: I even sang my part, they started screaming and I

630
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Ship, feel like I'm cute. They like

631
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Everybody, all right, everybody you heard of

632
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: I had that moment, and but obviously I was in

633
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: the group with my brothers who were five years older

634
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: than me. They were twins, and they just beat me

635
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: up pretty much after like yeah, you look punk, Like no,

636
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: that's not how I go. But that kind of kept me,

637
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, at least in a space where I didn't

638
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: lose it. And then we just you know, are you

639
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: know are we have some other stuff that went on

640
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: in our group, so it never fully research full potential.

641
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: So I don't know how I would have reacted at

642
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: ten eleven would have platinum, So can't imagine, you know

643
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: what I mean. So that's why I asked, right. I

644
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: think it was a kind of a bit of a

645
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: conflict because people would encounter me, or at least I

646
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: thought I was presenting as people would be like, how

647
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: are you so grounded? How are you so down to earth?

648
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: But then my mom was like, you're acting like a

649
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: little bit, and I'm like, you know what, I'm very confusing,

650
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: well because it's like your interaction or your it's always

651
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: like that, like you're in the safe space. You know

652
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You like, I keep but you know,

653
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: for some reason, just clicks when you cross that threshold

654
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: you turned into the professional. Yeah, yeah, you know what

655
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you're acting very early. Yeah, you're already. Yeah,

656
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: you already. You already knew how training and the two league.

657
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: You already know how to get right in line and

658
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: be a pro in whatever space you need to be in.

659
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah. So you had the people out here

660
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: thinking you was like, she's so sweet. Yeah, but even

661
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: who has worked with me forever, she used to be

662
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 1: a black manager, and I mean she was like, I thought,

663
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: She's like, you were a piece of work, Joe, And

664
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sure I was. I'm sure I was.

665
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: So let's let's move after UM. We don't have to

666
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 1: get into the intricacies of um, of of the separation. Yeah,

667
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: mixtape Joe, Joe. Yeah, but let's get into Okay, now

668
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: I'm able to breathe. Are you in l A at

669
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: this time? Mab Yes, So I moved to l at nineteen.

670
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: I was in Boston from eighteen to nineteen, moved out

671
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: here and was just in the studio, constantly in the

672
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: studio during the day, partying at night. It was like

673
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: my college used as your college area. That is this

674
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: such a dangerous such a dangerous thing. So glad you're here.

675
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: It's still a lot. I really think about that. I'm like,

676
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: how am I here? Here? Was college from me too?

677
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: For a young girl though? Is wa different? That's way different.

678
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm grateful that I made it out as unscathed as

679
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: I did. You know, it could have been a lot weirder. Yeah, yeah,

680
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: And so what is your process now now that you're

681
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: you know, out of the blackground situation and you're you're

682
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: looking for new life and the next move. So I was.

683
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: I started putting out a couple of mixtapes and like

684
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: my Marvin's Room remake and all the stuff during the

685
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: time where I wasn't out of blackground yet, because I was,

686
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: they still owned my voice. So I was trying to

687
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: find ways to put out music but not make money

688
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,959
Speaker 1: from it. So that's what what like at this point

689
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: is social media's kick and all. So that's the whole Yeah,

690
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: please give us that time and what you were doing

691
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: to stay relevant. I was just talking with my fans,

692
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: really telling them to a certain extent, what I was

693
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: feeling going through, how much I wanted to put out music,

694
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: how much I wanted to tour, or whatever the case was.

695
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: I don't really know why I didn't tour that much then,

696
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: but maybe it's because I didn't have new music to

697
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: promote um. But then I did some little things with

698
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: with the mixtape, So Twitter was a game changer for me. YouTube.

699
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: This was all kind of the precipice of that being

700
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: the huge deal that it is now. And I put

701
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: out my first mixtape through band camp and it had

702
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: a ridiculous number of downloads first week, which was so encouraging.

703
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: Like I was like, it gave me, you know, some

704
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: some just a sense of purpose again. I was like, Okay,

705
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: this is what I meant to do. I love this.

706
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: I have an amazing fan base and they're here for this.

707
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: They like what I'm doing. So after that, continued to

708
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: release some stuff, was able to finally get out of

709
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: the deal with Blackground and signed immediately to Atlantic started

710
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: working on an album. I was signed by an executive,

711
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: Aaron Baischuk, who is the A and R there at

712
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: the time, and we started working on on an album there.

713
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: But then, as you know, you know, musical chairs happen,

714
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: and then you know, this person leaves and then you

715
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: try to keep making an album that changes direction a

716
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: little bit, and so that was my experience with the

717
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: making of Mad Love, which was my official album, like

718
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: come back after ten years of not putting out an

719
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: album from fifteen. I didn't realize it was that. And

720
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: the crazy thing about that is, you know Aaron's first

721
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 1: record that he an R Tank, Yes, which we after

722
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: a tank. Now I never got off of black, so

723
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: we did. We did it went to Atlantic. This is

724
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: Aaron's first time in anything. So it really it was

725
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: me and Air, Me and Aaron. Aaron don't know shit

726
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: about Army, Like, no, it's my guy. I love him

727
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: to death. But at this time, at this point, like

728
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: obviously he's done amazing things. At this point, young and

729
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: R young white guy, They're like, yeah, we did a

730
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: new deal with Atlantic. Here's your R. I don't know

731
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 1: pronounced this night He's like, listen, guys, got a few records,

732
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: want to play for you. But I really liked that.

733
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: I think I feel really good for where I think

734
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: you can go. Here we go. We're looking at like

735
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna turn it out. We're gonna show you how

736
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: to do that, don't And so that process like we

737
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: just became friends. We just really hung out and cooked

738
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: up together. And that's been open and uh and wanting

739
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: to learn I think it's complete exactly. It's just it's

740
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: just interesting that both of you guys come from the

741
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: same scenario in situation, go to the same label. Yes,

742
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: get the same and that is really strange. Did you

743
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: think you're following you? Are you like this little chicken?

744
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on over there, blackground Keeter.

745
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: But this room over here, if you man, you got

746
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: if you can just get on that rail road, come

747
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: get a home down here. This Atlantic, they got lemonade

748
00:46:46,760 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: and business for everybody on this side, out out the

749
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: shout out the big flot. But it was like he

750
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: that's he said, there is a small window. There's a

751
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: small chance, my brother, that you could be out of

752
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: there and over here. And um, and what's what's my guy? Um?

753
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: From Atlantic? Um? Craig not Craig Mike um uh be right,

754
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: producing all the writers and all of that. I'm like,

755
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna be mad that I'm forgetting his

756
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: name right now. So my Karen was the first person

757
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: to come to me to say, you know, I think

758
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: I think you should. I think you should come to Atlantic.

759
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't even know what that means,

760
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, what I'm saying, and then I'm also saying

761
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: you shouldn't say that out loud because because because these

762
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: people are dangerous, right, should we talk right now? We

763
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: should use sidlings because he's you know, just I mean

764
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: just speaking about my path of just going to Atlantic

765
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: Records and them um showing me, um something at that

766
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: time that I didn't think I was even worthy of,

767
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: you know, in saying, you know, sitting down with with

768
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: Mike Karen and then with um Craig Common and Craig

769
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: Common saying yeah, yeah, we're gonna do this and we're

770
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: gonna do it as long as it takes. I was like,

771
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: what We're like, Yeah, we're gonna as long as it takes.

772
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: We're we're in. We're in with you as long as

773
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: it takes. That's what you deserve, and that's that's what

774
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: belief is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So does the Atlantic situation

775
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: are you saying, you know, people change things move, Does

776
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: that become a staple for you or do you or

777
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: do you even move again? From I moved again? Um,

778
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 1: so I kind of continue to move where Aaron moved

779
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: because because Aaron and I were you know, so so tight.

780
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: He had such amazing belief in me. So as he

781
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: as his career was on the ascent, he was like,

782
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: you should just come with me. Um, so I did so,

783
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: I did so at a So I went from Atlantic,

784
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: then Warner where I mean somewhere else real quick, where

785
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: where he made a pit stop, didn't end U putting

786
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: an album out there, and then to Warner where he

787
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: became chairman. So it was just because I really do believe,

788
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: and this is any artist that is going to be

789
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: a part of the major label system, having an advocate,

790
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: having a person there who is your point person who

791
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: you really speak the same language with, who believes in you,

792
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: who will go to bat for you, that makes a

793
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: big difference. It's also very important obviously for an artist

794
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: to be self energizing and to stay you know, to

795
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: be self sufficient, to move the needle forward, to keep

796
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: going like you can't look too a label to tell

797
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: you what to do necessarily because that's not how it

798
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: works anymore. But to have a person there in the

799
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: building who believes in you. That's why I felt like

800
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: it was going to be, you know, important for me

801
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: to to stay with erin So are you putting out

802
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: mixed types as you're moving around still, Are you stopped that? No?

803
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 1: So I really started touring again with with Mad Love.

804
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: Mad Love is where I went back to the touring

805
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: life and was able to sell that out and really

806
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: get a sense of Oh, I love this part of

807
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: being an artist. I love to be on tour. I

808
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: love to be busy. I learned how challenging it can

809
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: be to maintain a level of vocal health while you're

810
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: doing three shows in a row and you have one

811
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: day off and then you might have two whatever. I

812
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 1: learned that that schedule doesn't work for me. I need

813
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: to have like two shows maximum, then one day off,

814
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: then two shows. I can do it like that, but

815
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: that third show if I'm not completely silent like I

816
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: just you figure out the what works for every particular

817
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: instant and sticky. So I want to give people my best.

818
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: So I was like, let's let's change up the schedule

819
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: next time. So Mad Love is when I got back

820
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: into that. And then from in between Mad Love and

821
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: then my next album Good to Know. Um did I

822
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: do a mix tape? I don't remember, But after Good

823
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: to Know, which was then I released like an ep

824
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: uh because I was going through something and I felt

825
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: like I wanted to share it with people. I was

826
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: going through a serious about of depression and anxiety. A

827
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: lot of people were with the pandemic, but for me,

828
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: it started before that. Just what what am I? What's next?

829
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: A lot of us feel that way, and I wanted

830
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: to put out this project and see if other people

831
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: would relate. And it made me feel less alone, and

832
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: it was a part of my healing to even share

833
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: what I was going through in that project, which is

834
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: like the most recent thing I've released recently. Saw you

835
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: uh San Diego, Yes, that was That was a frustrating show,

836
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: but it meant so much to me that you and

837
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: Zena were there. It was frustrating, Yeah happened. If you

838
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: if you, if we can get get that inside that

839
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: that venue was um. I was having sound issues. I

840
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: was not feeling like outfit. I felt like my my

841
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: things were showing in a way that I wasn't comfortable with.

842
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: To be in a venue that small, where people are

843
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: below you and can see up your skirt, I really

844
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: don't like that. You were you were you were, you

845
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: were dressed. I was dressed. I had on an outfit. Yeah,

846
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: you had it on an outfit, but you know's legs

847
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: are out there. Yeah, the legs is out And obviously

848
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: I don't mind, you know, showing what I want when

849
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: I want, but I just didn't like people being under me,

850
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: like escalator you're going because they are clearly going there.

851
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: So it was just like the configuration. I um so

852
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, never again because you change and

853
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: came back just just put on this two piece jeans.

854
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: But that's but that's also a part of professional lesson, yes,

855
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: because most people think that, and and owning who you

856
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: are in your career because most people think I just

857
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: gotta do it and I gotta be out here, and

858
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know what the setup was. But then you

859
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: get out there you realize like, oh, actually cool, hey guys,

860
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: I'll be right back and wait for you. Absolutely you

861
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: did to change smooth. I tried change smooth because you know,

862
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: we're backstage and you know, we just no show, you know,

863
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: we can kind of see everything, and I'm like, and

864
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: then when you came back and even said it, I

865
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: just thought it was a change, right, you know what

866
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Yeah, we didn't notice that it was about

867
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: you know, about comfort and about how you were feeling.

868
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: As you're explaining right now. I just felt like it

869
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: was part of the set. Yeah, so that's how you

870
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: made it feel until you said it. Yeah, I just

871
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: had to change guys. You know, jeans feel better, feel safe.

872
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: Let's keep going. Continue to learn things about myself through

873
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: through every single day. I learned that I need to

874
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: feel good about what I'm what I'm wearing when I'm

875
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: on stage. I need to feel good about how I've prepared.

876
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: Preparation is is like integral for me. I don't like

877
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: to just necessarily win things. And I've learned this through

878
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, crashing and yeah, no, experience is the best education,

879
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: it really is. Yeah. So even now you know this,

880
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: many years in my career, I'm still like, Okay, new

881
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: thing I've learned about myself. You are so many years

882
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: into your career and I get this question a lot.

883
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: Excuse me, what keeps you going? Because as I see

884
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: you now in it's always some else like You're like,

885
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: you're happy, You're like, yeah, you know what I'm saying. Like,

886
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: as we spoke earlier, everything that I've had to go

887
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: through to get into this point, I'm with it. You've

888
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: accepted it, and you've just accepted the light in all

889
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: of those things, What is that thing in twenty two

890
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: that is keeping you, keeping you alive, keeping you going.

891
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: It's my belief that I've only scratched the shirt the

892
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: surface of my Yeah. I used to really think um

893
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: at a certain point that maybe I maybe my voice

894
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: was on the decline, or maybe you know what, what

895
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: more do I have to give? I've I've already reached

896
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 1: more than I could have ever imagined as a little girl,

897
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: accomplished beyond my wildest dreams. But I really believe that

898
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: on the other side of personal freedom is another level

899
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: of connectedness. And when I'm able to show up as

900
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: my authentic self, that will inspire other people to be

901
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: their authentic selves. And I think that that's now my

902
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: mission is to be the be a vessel for amazing songs,

903
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: take my ego out of it, and bring people together,

904
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 1: just like I did when I was a little girl,

905
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: asking family members and friends and people on the street

906
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: to listen to me sing. I really think that by

907
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: me connecting to that pure joy that I get from singing,

908
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: that can be hopefully a blessing to somebody else and

909
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: help them connect with what it is that they were

910
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: gifted with, even if that's just to be a listener,

911
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: to be part of a community, to be present, any

912
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: of that. I know that that's my work moving forward,

913
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: is to to let go, to shed those layers. Like

914
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: you said, the glass half full approach. I'm sure you've

915
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: done work to get to that point, and so the

916
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: letting go doesn't always come easy, but it's it's a

917
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: choice for sure every day. Well, I think sharing that

918
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: is the healing, and it's not just for you, like

919
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: you said, it's for those who get an opportunity two um,

920
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: not even just not even just to see you, but

921
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: to hear you, because you know those those vibrations are wrong.

922
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: Yes are are are comforting to some healing, to something helpful,

923
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: to something you know what I mean, and the stories

924
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: behind it, which is why you know we really wanted

925
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: you here to first and foremost give you flowers on flowers,

926
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: but also two for you to speak you know what

927
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: I mean, to speak that life into everything that you've

928
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: been through and everything that you're doing moving forward. I

929
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,479
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I think that this time where

930
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: TikTok is you know where we're getting our news and

931
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: our information and where where UM find I think what

932
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to say is I think it's a great equalizer.

933
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: I actually think that authenticity cuts through more so than anything.

934
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: I think that our attention span is if something feels false,

935
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: we're like cringeing, weird, you know. So I think that exciting, Yeah,

936
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: we just move on to the next until something really

937
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: hits us and resonates. So I actually think that while yes,

938
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: it's it can be frustrating and we're like, oh, you know,

939
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: we have to do this stuff, you can also really

940
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: find your community. So I think it's a great time

941
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: to put the hands the power back in the hands

942
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: of the artists, connect them directly with the community, and

943
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: you can kind of get a sense of what people

944
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: like you. Just give it a try, just put it up.

945
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: So are so are you looking at all of those

946
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: platforms as a way too, because obviously, like you said,

947
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: Twitter was something that was really important for you when

948
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: you really needed it early, I mean later later on

949
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: in your career, actually in the middle of your career,

950
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 1: and and it really jumped started rediscovery for you. So

951
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: as an artist in a season artist, someone who's been

952
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: around and and done the old school music business at

953
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: a very young age, and now the new age music business.

954
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: How do you go about that? Like, how do you

955
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: manage what's too much mhm? And what's important that you

956
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: have to be like, because let's be very clear, social

957
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: media is very important for recording artists. It's very important

958
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: to let them, you know, get a sense of your personality. Um,

959
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: tease music, maybe jumping a challenge here and there, you

960
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, how how how how do

961
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: you deal with that as someone who is already established

962
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: and already has a fan base. Do you Are you

963
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: jumping at every challenge? Are you just like, uh, I'm

964
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: gonna do one here, And they're like, how do you

965
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: go about that? I'm definitely not jumping at every challenge

966
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not like, oh yeah, I'm a blessing with

967
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: this one. I'm just like, it has to feel like

968
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: an extension of me. It has to feel like something

969
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: that I genuinely want to play with or something that

970
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: I because if it if it comes off forced, like

971
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: the viewer feels that. And I know that from being

972
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: on the other side of it. When I see other

973
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: artists who will remain nameless, but I see one in

974
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: my head right now when they're like slanging their music

975
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: around and they're like, let me shake my ass to

976
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: this music and let me do a dance this music,

977
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: and let me blah blah blah, And it does not

978
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: feel like they want to do that. It feels like

979
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: this was a mandate that was put on them as

980
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: opposed to I think that the way to make social

981
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: media work for you as supposed to you working for

982
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: social media is to find how you can be yourself

983
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: on the app. And there's like so many different ways.

984
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: Just have fun with it. And and I think TikTok

985
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: is more low stakes because it doesn't need to be

986
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: perfectly curated. We used to think Instagram like you have

987
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: to have like this grid and it needs to be

988
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: like color coordinated and all that stuff. TikTok you could

989
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: just like say stuff, and you can take clips of

990
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: this podcast and you can, you know, lip sync something,

991
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: or you can tease a song, or you can shake

992
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: your ass, or you can try on an outfit. You

993
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: can do whatever, and then you'll find people who like makeup,

994
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: who like travel, who like you know, plant based cooking,

995
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: who like, uh, going to Michael blue bleat concerts, you know,

996
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: like all these different things. And I just think it's

997
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: really nice. Um so of course we've got to do

998
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: things that we don't like to do, but you got

999
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: to find a way to to enjoy even something that

1000
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: annoys you. Like when TikTok first came, and you know,

1001
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: my label was like, you've got to push your own

1002
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: music this way, I'm like, how yucky. You've got a

1003
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: fun way to just like to enjoy. I know it's

1004
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: easier said than done for for me too, I mean,

1005
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: because we come from from just music. You just needed music.

1006
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: And also the mystery was such a big thing, and

1007
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: you could just show up and show people what it

1008
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: is it is. You know what I'm saying. You just

1009
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: show up in the city, Like I told you, I

1010
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: was nice, right. And now it's like now that the

1011
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: labels have done away with sending artists and all of

1012
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: these things that we have now they don't do that anymore,

1013
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: not as much you can promo your phone. Yeah, I

1014
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: tend to feel like and I really wanted to know

1015
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: that from you from an R and B sense, because

1016
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: obviously we deal with people saying that R and B

1017
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: is dying or it's a dying genre, are whatever the

1018
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: very but what but what I do say that I

1019
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: wish that more R and B artists would get in

1020
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: front of it and get in front of the music

1021
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: and get in front of their personalities because what, you know,

1022
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 1: what what I what I feel like I found with

1023
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: my parents generation, and when they were trying to push

1024
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: out jazz, jazz took on a very elitist Oh that's

1025
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: a great point, you know, persona of Oh I'm just

1026
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: too you know, I don't need whatever you guys are doing.

1027
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: Don't sample my record, you know what I mean? Like

1028
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: they were, they were not clearing samples and just all

1029
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: this other stuff that helped him kind of get phased out,

1030
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: and I personally would hate for that to happen to

1031
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: R and B. That's why Tank and I have even

1032
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: done this, done this podcast, because they're like, listen, we

1033
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: gotta stand in front of what this R and B

1034
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: thing is, and we got to show people that we

1035
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: actually got person analogies, and we're willing to, you know,

1036
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: have to talk to human resources about some of the

1037
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: ship we gonna say, you know what I mean. But

1038
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm so passionate about R and B

1039
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: music that I would, you know, I would push artists

1040
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: to just at least give these things to try instead

1041
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: of just being like, well when they when I when

1042
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: I go show up and I do my my shows,

1043
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: they know what they know. Some people don't. I think

1044
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: that is such an amazing point and comparison that you've

1045
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: just made as well, because history is a way of

1046
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: you know, we can learn from history. And I love

1047
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: history actually, so that was that really excited me. And

1048
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: I love jazz. So I think that's really great, great

1049
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: point because there is a sense I think from my

1050
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: vantage point of this, you know, coolness over everything sometimes

1051
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: in R and B, and I think that that can

1052
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: be sometimes to the detriment of letting fans in um

1053
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: because you want to keep up a facade. I don't

1054
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: think the facade works anymore. I think that people give

1055
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: still works, gift work still works, but they actually like

1056
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: that hey man, this artist is kind of funny. Are

1057
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: goofy are yes, don't take themselves that serious. Like one

1058
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: of the things that made me fall in love with

1059
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: Ari Lennox is her personality is her getting on I

1060
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: g live and just being in bed and being bored

1061
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: like Summer Walker's exactly like it's I mean, I know

1062
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: more about Summer Walker than I've ever known about and

1063
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, who's you know whatever? Because that song could

1064
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: be about yeah exactly, So we buy into that and

1065
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: it's not a new thing necessarily, but I don't have

1066
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: the way for the biopic anymore. Yeah exactly. It's playing

1067
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: out right in front of us, all right. Well, Um,

1068
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: R and B Money podcasts, Um, we like to get

1069
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: into your R and B mind. Okay, you're R and

1070
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: B makeup right? Um, we would like to know this

1071
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: is it gets it gets interesting right here. Top five

1072
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: R and B Artists of all times. That was crazy.

1073
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: That was very crazy. I'm going to say something in

1074
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: this Top five y'all are going to agree with me,

1075
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: but the Internet is gonna be mad at me. Okay, okay, okay,

1076
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: I love I love that. Okay. Parameters, no, no time frame,

1077
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: R and B and general yours God, okay, look back

1078
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: for help. No, no, I understand he knows I'm gonna say. Okay, Um,

1079
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: Top five R and B Artists. Okay, where do I begin?

1080
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: Do Do I have to put him in order? No? No,

1081
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: it's yours. Whatever it is, okay, great? No order and

1082
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: no prep No, this is no this is never prep. Guys.

1083
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 1: Jasmine Sulliman, come talking absolutely love us. Bobby Brown. You yeah,

1084
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: I hate myself for this, but r Kelly, listen it

1085
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: has I mean, oh no, I hate myself for it

1086
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: coming out of you understand. Just yes, I know you know.

1087
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: Um where do I go from there? I'm going to

1088
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: go to for me personally music, soul music, and then

1089
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to go that Jasmine right, you're right up

1090
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 1: my hands, um ah, gotta you gotta fire. Crazy crazy.

1091
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: I used to watch music in the studio seeing perfect

1092
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: go over one line for about an hour in the half.

1093
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: That makes me feel that's crazy, okay. And I was like,

1094
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, you did like thirty minutes ago.

1095
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: He just it just needed to be placed. This is

1096
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: not auto tuned. This is about none of that. He

1097
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: was able Warren Campbell. When I saw him do that,

1098
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: this this line that was you know what I'm gonna

1099
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: This line needs to be placed perfectly. I'm just the

1100
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: millisecond off semi tone to He was just he was

1101
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: just that much of a technician. People don't really listen

1102
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: to what music was doing vocally on those records. They

1103
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: just enjoy his records and have a good time because

1104
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: they felt so and dissect go back and listen to

1105
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: what he was doing right, So that's crazy. But then

1106
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:28,560
Speaker 1: Anita Baker is you know Jesus. I mean, she is

1107
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: probably my biggest vocal inspiration right now. She is like

1108
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: my my pinnacle. She's the one I looked to right now.

1109
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: She's just incredible. Okay, all right, your top five R

1110
01:09:52,560 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: and B songs? Mm hmm okay, Oh my really really

1111
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: bad being on the spot. So you're gonna do my

1112
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: Um let's let's say something from Joe to See. Let's

1113
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:20,719
Speaker 1: say like, uh, can I talk to me? I really

1114
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: wanted me and talk to you? Okay, um Man, can't

1115
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: do anything, Joe, you can't. You can't lose anything. You

1116
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: can't lose, so nice to me. Okay, So Joe to See,

1117
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: let's go. Okay, I'm gonna say Cisco Incomplete, Wow, fucking race.

1118
01:10:56,280 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: That's a great record, great soul. That's the one you wrong.

1119
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: I feel like that. Jordan Records wrote incomplete. D come

1120
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: on the podcast, yes, shout out not even that's not

1121
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: even play with we have come on our phones here,

1122
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: come on just incomplete? Was fire? Was that the video?

1123
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: Lisa Rabinson? I don't remember the video. I think Lisa,

1124
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: it might have been a red I just made down

1125
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: song when he when he walked over there forgetable. Don't

1126
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 1: you do this again? That's GREATA you too, Cisco. That's

1127
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: a great come back with great second song. The third song,

1128
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with um one in a million Eliyah.

1129
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: Life changing, Yes, life changing, life change. I'm gonna I

1130
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: want to go to a different era, so let me

1131
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: go more toward like um. I'm like I would say,

1132
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: caught up in the Rapture better, yeah, better? Oh my god, man,

1133
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: I grew up on those albums. That voice right there,

1134
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: it's synonymous with my child. Like they said it your

1135
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: mama didn't clean the house. Good. If you didn't grow

1136
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,600
Speaker 1: up to Anita Baker, that means your mama didn't not

1137
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: to clean your house. Okay, okay, And I'm going to

1138
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: say that I think a new a modern classic is

1139
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: uh pick up your Feelings. Come on, come on, come on,

1140
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: pick up your feelings. I think it's so good. I

1141
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: love the tempo of it. I think it moves, it moves.

1142
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I felt the way when I first heard.

1143
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: I was like, that's what she wanted us to do

1144
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 1: and pick up here. It's so sweet she said feelings

1145
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:13,879
Speaker 1: like it was nasty. You're talking to you. That's exactly

1146
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 1: what I heard talking to him. I'm working out to

1147
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: this album, like this, what is she talking to She's me.

1148
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: But it was so aggressive the way she was saying.

1149
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: And she didn't she didn't um, she didn't scale it

1150
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: down or dumb it down or or anything. She was like, yeah,

1151
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm gifted. Watch this, Yes, gift on display. What a

1152
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: bold choice for the album title too as well. I

1153
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: thought it was so and she's She's like, I don't

1154
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: even call this an album. I'm like what She's like,

1155
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,560
Speaker 1: this is just a EP anyway. To me, it's perfectionist.

1156
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: She's always been in this kind of shy space like

1157
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: that where I think that I think that we've moved

1158
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: or we were in a space where being talented was

1159
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: very tough, very frowned upon, to be really talented because everything,

1160
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard for people to take enough time

1161
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: to understand even what that is. The ears aren't even

1162
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: tuned to, you know, there's a frequency that auto tune

1163
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: and the computer has hypnotized everybody with at this point,

1164
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Sing to the Black Keys seriously,

1165
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: just doing that. People I gotta change the settings in

1166
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: the auto nowmatic. But it's like she she I can't

1167
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: speak from having that conversation with her, But I just

1168
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 1: remember being even in two thousand two where I was like,

1169
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm a singer and these these songs, so these people

1170
01:14:56,080 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: that are working they're not singers. Like this is trying, right,

1171
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: y'all know this. If y'all know this, I don't want

1172
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: to be a part of I'm a singer, even all

1173
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: the way down to I did, I did the I

1174
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: did what challenge? I just do was the fortunate challenge

1175
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: and I just you know, I did. I need to

1176
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:21,759
Speaker 1: check that out, dipping dodge into some stuff and people

1177
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: and there were people it said, that's horrible. He can't

1178
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: he can't even sing you, And I was like, we

1179
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 1: are living in some wild you can definitely sing. That's

1180
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:48,480
Speaker 1: that's not true or fair, that's not true. Again, just

1181
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 1: the videos I was dancing and didn't work. If that

1182
01:15:51,960 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: doesn't mean what are you? You don't want this to

1183
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: work with me? Oh man? Anyway? Um, but that's just

1184
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, where we are. And I feel like I

1185
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: feel like she was, you know, just just me speculating

1186
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: her trying to find her her fine room to be talented.

1187
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: She found it, and I don't even think I don't

1188
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: think she realizes what she's done for the creatives. I

1189
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: hope she does. She's she's she's freed a lot of creatives.

1190
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: She's created an under an overground railroad for people to

1191
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: feel like, oh I can sing, I can actually right

1192
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: some dope ship and sing some dope ship and it

1193
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 1: go crazy cool. I remember listening to that album. I

1194
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: was on one of my solo journeys in Sedona, and

1195
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 1: I was taking a walk in the Red Rocks and

1196
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: I was digesting this album and weeping at the freedom

1197
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 1: that I heard from her as an artist, and just

1198
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: being so inspired and just like so happy for her

1199
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: made me too. I didn't know what the album was

1200
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: gonna do, and all that it's done is phenomenal, but

1201
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 1: it was an accomplishment enough to have done it, and

1202
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 1: I was just like, Wow, this is so great. We're

1203
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: building an R and B voltron. Okay, so it goes

1204
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: vocals style, performance style, and passion. All right, So let's

1205
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:42,959
Speaker 1: start with the vocal to make your R and B votron?

1206
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,440
Speaker 1: Who are you? Who are you? Grabbing the vocal from

1207
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: one person. I mean, if it's a male, I want

1208
01:17:53,479 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: to take period always. Tank is the best smell vocal

1209
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: is out there. Crazy wow. So you know what? You

1210
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: know what, since I'm back off sabbatical, we're gonna cheers

1211
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: to tag me in and he's looking him cry. But

1212
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: because is the time of the woman, I'm going to

1213
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: chose the lad and I'm gonna choose Jasmine. Start there,

1214
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: take it, Start there. Vocals from Jasmine Sullivan easy something

1215
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: gets the same background, will gladly do? Give me a

1216
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 1: piano too, so I can play extra keys, background, singing backgrounds,

1217
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: and play keys. Just let me know whenever you're going out. Um,

1218
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: let's go with the styling. Who do you want your

1219
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: artists to look like? Dress esthetically? Who're gonna put the

1220
01:18:53,280 --> 01:19:00,799
Speaker 1: drip on? M damn? Who don't have to look like Beyonce?

1221
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 1: Come on? Yeah? Custom yeah everything special, everything special everything. Wait,

1222
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 1: do I want to look like Beyonce or Solange? I

1223
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: don't know because both are customs special? Different is very fresh.

1224
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 1: I think Solange. I think Solange is very she She

1225
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: has this earth earthy thing too that's very organic that

1226
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 1: I think. I know the bees want to get me that.

1227
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: I think b might have gotten from her. I think

1228
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: they're both inspired by some way, in some way shape,

1229
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: because I felt like Solange was in my mind, out

1230
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 1: of out of their whole thing. She was the first

1231
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: like earthy one who was just like grounded in in

1232
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 1: these neutral tones and in these linens and this just comfortable,

1233
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: comfortable space that wasn't overdone or over anything. You know

1234
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, I feel like she was there.

1235
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: So I mean, you picked which one? Every one you

1236
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,839
Speaker 1: want me, they're all they're kind of wanting the set. Okay,

1237
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: you know what I'm just gonna say. Okay, so voice

1238
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: of Jazz and Sullivan aesthetic of Solange. I love that

1239
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: um performance style. Who stage presents? Do you want to

1240
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: give your volt um? Bobby Brown? Mhm, there's no argue, right,

1241
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: You're making her one name. Yeah, she's aggressive. Listen. I

1242
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 1: mean we've I mean I was, you know back there.

1243
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: You know My first concert was you know, the New

1244
01:20:55,439 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: Edition Any Heartbreak Tour Come On, where one man was

1245
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: given new addition everything they needed by himself with two

1246
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: other dancers. He was giving them everything they needed. I

1247
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, he is an animal. He's

1248
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,799
Speaker 1: an animal man. A manimal. Man he was a manimal

1249
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: and maybe at that time. I'm telling you guys, New

1250
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: England is different. It is. It is. Listen, I pick

1251
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: up agree, Okay, last one, passion. Who do you want

1252
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: to get the heart from? M hm? Yes, I said

1253
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 1: what I said was passion. I said it almost is painful.

1254
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 1: First note, you feel it absolutely? I just really really

1255
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 1: love her. Wow, special Special Special Talent Special said I'm horrible. Listen, listen.

1256
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: She thinks she got off? Yeah no, no, no, let's

1257
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: how quickly using this one because we got a very

1258
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 1: important segment of the show. It's called I Ain't saying

1259
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 1: no names? Yeah yeah, Will you tell us a story

1260
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: funnier fucked up? Oh good. The only rule is you

1261
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: don't say any names, and it could be funny and

1262
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: fucked up because you used the most things that's sucked up.

1263
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny. So I gotta do is just

1264
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 1: not say their names. So this is Joe Joe's I

1265
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:48,679
Speaker 1: ain't saying no names with no prep, no prep. Hmm.

1266
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 1: Can you give me an example you have told? Did

1267
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: you tell one when I was suspending it? I don't

1268
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 1: think so, Oh no way, I don't think I told one.

1269
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 1: Can you start, please to make me just a little

1270
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: more comfortable. This has never happened in the history of

1271
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no names like this is. This has

1272
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 1: never happened. Um, I ain't saying no names. So you

1273
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 1: put trying to put the pressure on me. This is

1274
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: while you think of yours. I'll see what's going on.

1275
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: I see what's going on. Um, thanks are saying no names.

1276
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no names. Um, this is funny. I was,

1277
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 1: I was. I was beefing with this, with this this

1278
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 1: one guy like real beef um and started off basketball

1279
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 1: basketball beef. And I felt like this person wasn't being fair,

1280
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, and we're supposed to be you know, common ground.

1281
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 1: You know, we're both artists. You know, we're supposed to

1282
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 1: play the game fair. You know, I'm saying of us

1283
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 1: played professionally, but the game is at least supposed we

1284
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 1: played right. And this person didn't want to play the

1285
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 1: game the right way. And so since since he didn't

1286
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,759
Speaker 1: want to play the game the right way, I decided

1287
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 1: I didn't want to play the right game the game

1288
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: the right way with him, and it got aggressive. It

1289
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: went into you know, name calling. I'm a very nice guy,

1290
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 1: but I had been pushed into that other other other

1291
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: place where now you're a bitch ass niggas. Everybody you

1292
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: went they bit your too, who wanted let's get it

1293
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: all during the game. So the game is over and

1294
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: the game ends, I win, my team wins, and as

1295
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: they leave, there's still bit chass niggas. Mm hmm. Cut

1296
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: to we go to the city that this person is from,

1297
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 1: and someone who's with me was like, man, you know

1298
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 1: such and such would love to just you know, they

1299
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 1: love you, the big fans. They started, things got weird

1300
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,600
Speaker 1: and such and such, you know, got kicked off, you know,

1301
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:35,679
Speaker 1: the wrong kind of way. But you know they would

1302
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: just love you to come out to gym, hang out

1303
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: and and and just hoop with him. And I'm like,

1304
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: fucking bit chass niggas. You know what I'm saying. I'm there.

1305
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,520
Speaker 1: So it takes a little little finessing, a little convincing

1306
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: to get me to go. I'm like, you know what,

1307
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: I'll go, fuck it whatever. And so when I get

1308
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 1: to the gym, it's just me and the guy who

1309
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 1: I was with, and it's him, and you know it's

1310
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: him and all you know, all his all his guys,

1311
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 1: his goons, he's, he's, he's, you know, we're in his city,

1312
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: and I'm expecting you know, I'm expecting some static. You

1313
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm I'm all prepared in my

1314
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: mind to swing first. I'm prepared. But you know what

1315
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm like, it sounded like a piece call,

1316
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,679
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna prepare myself just in case I gotta

1317
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: get actor is what it is, you know what I'm saying.

1318
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,640
Speaker 1: And it's only two of us. We may take the

1319
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 1: l but I'm ready to take that. So we're walk

1320
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 1: in the gym, and as soon as we're walk in

1321
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:42,679
Speaker 1: the gym, this person is like he sees me get called.

1322
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: He's like, come on, man, you come on. You know

1323
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,640
Speaker 1: I love you, man, come on, we we can't be

1324
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: like this. And as he goes to give me the embrace,

1325
01:26:53,880 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 1: he starts tickling me here just like you know, right

1326
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 1: in here. Not the only problem with that is that

1327
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm really ticklish. So I'm trying to tell him stuff

1328
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 1: and he's tickling me, and I try to finally fight

1329
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: him off, and we tap it up and we hug

1330
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 1: it out and we get back cool, and we proceed

1331
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: to play basketball for the next three hours. No beef,

1332
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 1: super cool, but he he tickled me um back into

1333
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 1: being kind of being his friend. I want to squash

1334
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: a beef. So listen, I hope you're ready for yours,

1335
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 1: because well, I'm gonna say how him is he's not

1336
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: gonna disrespect my segment by telling a story that he

1337
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: told on somebody el this podcast. First of all, First

1338
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 1: of all, no, list it ain't saying I didn't. It wasn't.

1339
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 1: You don't even know whatever. I know who it was,

1340
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna let my segments see disrespect is

1341
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 1: you see I didn't try to First of all, where's

1342
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 1: human resources when I need them? He's right there. First

1343
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 1: of all, I'm this nigga man, I'm not even on

1344
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 1: It's not even me, it's her. I was giving her

1345
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,679
Speaker 1: time to get herself together. So I told a quick stories,

1346
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:40,520
Speaker 1: disrespected my segment and told a story he told before

1347
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 1: my story. This is what's my true house, and just

1348
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 1: omitted the Hey guys, I'm gonna have to plead the

1349
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 1: fifth here. I'm going to plead the fifth because I

1350
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to be writing a book and I want

1351
01:28:55,320 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 1: to say all the stories. I'm going to be the

1352
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: hardest parton you started. Look, you just started. I started,

1353
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 1: you started it. You started. Jojo came here today. I

1354
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: didn't start this and ran out on. I ain't saying

1355
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: on that. I never expected he ran out. I expected.

1356
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 1: Everyone is protesting. She's gonna she's gonna tell all of

1357
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: her stories in one book. She can't say no, you're right,

1358
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 1: it's not possible. She can't say no. Pressure. Okay, oh god,

1359
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 1: this is horrible. I felt really bad about this, but

1360
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 1: since we're not naming no names, I guess it's I

1361
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: just feel like this, this is messy, Like I don't

1362
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 1: like telling other people's stuff. I just feel sad. I

1363
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 1: don't like telling my own stuff necessarily. But somebody let

1364
01:29:56,040 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 1: me know that they were taking time off from making

1365
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 1: music because they got full from neck to ankle uh

1366
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 1: surgery meaning like sucked everywhere out, and that they were

1367
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 1: wrapped like a mummy. And um, this was someone that

1368
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 1: I would never expect to have um gone under the knife,

1369
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: let alone to like and that which which I thought

1370
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 1: was kind of extreme. You know what I'm saying, And

1371
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying telling you this tidbit to just say you

1372
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 1: never know what bitches out here doing for real, because

1373
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: even if it looked natural, you just don't know. So

1374
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: my mind was blown and and my I was just like,

1375
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel quite naive to what people actually do

1376
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 1: to like look a certain way. And then I'm like,

1377
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 1: oh my God, like you you when when they see

1378
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 1: you snatched in a little a little while, it's not

1379
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 1: just because you were in the gym, but for the

1380
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 1: last three months or whatever, it's because you you were

1381
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 1: wrapped like a mummy. You got it all m This

1382
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,799
Speaker 1: is yeah, I've definitely showing up somewhere and seeing somebody

1383
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:11,719
Speaker 1: wrapped like a mommy before. Yeah. See, I just I'm naive. Yeah,

1384
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: I experienced the first before it was away, before it

1385
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 1: was back then, before it was the thing, before it

1386
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:24,600
Speaker 1: was even like I don't even know it was possible. Um,

1387
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 1: all right. I had met a girl and the city

1388
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:35,839
Speaker 1: that she lived in, and then it's just been in contact,

1389
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 1: just doing this phone stuff. And then when she came

1390
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:41,719
Speaker 1: to l A, I went met up with her again

1391
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't I don't remember that

1392
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: being like that. Let me test you, and you know,

1393
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:58,640
Speaker 1: as you go through the process of unveiling it He's like,

1394
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: where did where did you? Where did you get this? Honestly,

1395
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 1: because it wasn't a thing at that time. We're so

1396
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 1: early in the two thousands that I couldn't wrap my

1397
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: mind around how this was possible. Yeah, I saw something

1398
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 1: in the gym yesterday that really defied all logic for

1399
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 1: me as far as proportion on a human being. I

1400
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:35,640
Speaker 1: just I just want. Here's what I want. And I

1401
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:39,679
Speaker 1: think that maybe maybe I want too much. I want

1402
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 1: if you're going to get extra cake at it. I

1403
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 1: wanted to match your thighs, right, That's what I want.

1404
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 1: I wanted to sit within the circumference of your horse.

1405
01:32:56,760 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 1: That's what I want. I want you to not look

1406
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:06,600
Speaker 1: like an aunt. That's that's just all I want. I

1407
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 1: don't want you to not do anything to help you

1408
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 1: feel good about yourself, whatever you feel like you want

1409
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 1: to do and need to do. I don't think they do.

1410
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: I think what happens is they wake up and they

1411
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 1: and they now they look like an aunt, and they

1412
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 1: have to decide if they're going to accept the ant

1413
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 1: life or not. Because you can you can, you can

1414
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 1: see it on a diagram. That's one thing. But once

1415
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: things start to happening, and and once the surgery is

1416
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: over and once like there's always a difference. There's always oh,

1417
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 1: this is a little bit more than what what I

1418
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: what I thought? Yeah, this is this is and what

1419
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 1: do you do? Oh to go down? Trust me. After

1420
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: about that's about six months, it'll go back too. And

1421
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 1: sometimes it just it stays. It stays, and you know,

1422
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 1: outside of it being unsafe, it becomes a little unsavory.

1423
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 1: And first I want to tell women, you are amazing

1424
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 1: how God made you. But if you feel the need

1425
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 1: for enhancements, I just feel like there should be um,

1426
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 1: there should be a level of proportion. My OCD makes

1427
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: me count everything proportionately. I have to have enough slices

1428
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 1: of cheese to go with the right amount of crackers.

1429
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:41,719
Speaker 1: There has to be enough cheese on the beyond burger

1430
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 1: to go with the bunt, or I have to take

1431
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 1: the rest of that bun off. The need bun to

1432
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: go with the burger can't be excess. But yeah, it's

1433
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 1: just what It's just how I look at things. I say,

1434
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 1: do what you do that just don't mean I'm gonna

1435
01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:00,839
Speaker 1: date you. And I want to say as a female,

1436
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:03,840
Speaker 1: as a woman, there is so much pressure to look

1437
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 1: a certain way. Two from who from it could be

1438
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 1: from us. I'm not saying it's from from men. No, No,

1439
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like I think social media, I think

1440
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 1: that media in general, the the images, the messages that

1441
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 1: were bombarded with can be really hard to not be

1442
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 1: influenced by that. So I really feel with and by

1443
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 1: the way that the person who I didn't name looks

1444
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:31,679
Speaker 1: fantastic and looks natural. But it was my my naive

1445
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 1: tay that was like colluctus pearls, Like really, I didn't

1446
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 1: know that kind of experiencing that. Do you think that

1447
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 1: we inn entertainment have to do a better job of

1448
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:50,760
Speaker 1: recognizing and acknowledging beauty in its natural state? And we

1449
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 1: have to do that and everything we we we push everything,

1450
01:35:55,080 --> 01:36:00,200
Speaker 1: We are the driving forcing culture. Music. Everything is arts

1451
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 1: with us. If we're going to be violent, it's going

1452
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 1: to because of the music. If we're going to be peaceful,

1453
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 1: it's going to be because of the music. Music used

1454
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 1: to stop wars, now it's starting. So everything comes from

1455
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 1: the music. Absolutely, we make songs about natural women, it'll

1456
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 1: be more natural women. We make songs about I'm gonna

1457
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:27,719
Speaker 1: get this down for you it's gonna be more women

1458
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 1: trying to get those things down. So it's it's it's

1459
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 1: also the music being made. It's also the music being pushed.

1460
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 1: So similar to what you said, I don't know if

1461
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:39,600
Speaker 1: we were on camera before that, but the executives do

1462
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 1: decide what the narrative is going to be. Yeah, the

1463
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: major is what we hear the most. So if we're

1464
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 1: talking about what's going on in hip hop, what's going

1465
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 1: on culturally that influences across cultures, um, then that is

1466
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 1: kind of like the powers that be that are still

1467
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: pushing a certain right. So I don't know who's fault.

1468
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 1: It is necessarily that we are as like consumer driven

1469
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Speaker 1: or like into material items and looking a certain way

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01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, But it definitely is very pervasive

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01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 1: to go to to speak to the machine. The machine

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01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 1: really thrives off thrives off of the demand, and so

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01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 1: once the machine sees that there's a demand for a

1474
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:36,599
Speaker 1: reaction to a certain thing, then that machine is going

1475
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 1: to figure out how to over serve to get the

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01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: most out of that. And as long as as long

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01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:51,600
Speaker 1: as the community continues to buy in, they will continue

1478
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 1: to super serve. I think it's just a two parter.

1479
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 1: It's a two parter because like it goes back to

1480
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 1: like when we has heard when we first heard a

1481
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 1: bitch in the song what we like? But then he

1482
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 1: was at the club and and you saw all the

1483
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 1: girls in the club saying bitch. It was like, oh,

1484
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 1: it's okay, now it works, so we can use And

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01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 1: from there it just became super service where now it's

1486
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 1: just like us, it's common place. It's not even though

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01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean and and for for women and other communities,

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01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 1: it's we use it as a term of endearment, you know.

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01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:37,519
Speaker 1: So um, And I think that insecurity is there's so

1490
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:39,799
Speaker 1: much money to be made off of our insecurity as women.

1491
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 1: So there's industries that thrive off of our insecurity. So

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01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 1: I think that they keep you know this, Oh you

1493
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: could be a little smaller in the ways, you could

1494
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 1: be a little bigger here, you could be a little

1495
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 1: slimmer here. Why don't you get you know, all these

1496
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 1: different things there there's industries that are predicated on us

1497
01:38:56,439 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 1: not loving ourselves as we are. So I think that's

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01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 1: really important to keep in mind too. I'm not saying

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01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 1: that I'm transcended, because I absolutely haven't. I definitely do

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01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 1: all the lasers, all the things I'm trying to you know,

1501
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 1: keep sipping from the fountain of you. So it's you

1502
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 1: look good, Thank you, you look natural. Thank you. So UM,

1503
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 1: we at the Army Money Podcast love you however you

1504
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:23,599
Speaker 1: want to be, however you want to be represented, We

1505
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: love you. We love how God made you. And however doctor,

1506
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 1: God made the doctor. God made Listen, God made the doctor,

1507
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 1: but God gave the doctor free will. It's all God made.

1508
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:45,640
Speaker 1: It's all God made. You know what I'm saying. You

1509
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:49,880
Speaker 1: can't take God out of anything. Um, listen, ladies and gentlemen. UM,

1510
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 1: this has been a very special Army Money Podcast for

1511
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:57,720
Speaker 1: us because you are very special in dear to us. UM.

1512
01:39:57,760 --> 01:39:59,680
Speaker 1: That's a fact. You know that for sure. And we

1513
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 1: just to make sure the world knows that you have

1514
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:07,720
Speaker 1: home in my heart, period point blank. UM. We've we've

1515
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:10,719
Speaker 1: we've seen so many uh so many of the same

1516
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:13,599
Speaker 1: things together at the same time. We've been fighting at

1517
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:15,760
Speaker 1: the same time, we've been rejoicing at the same time,

1518
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 1: crying at the same time, and laughing at the same

1519
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 1: time as well. UM. I just I just commend you

1520
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:29,559
Speaker 1: and salute you on continuing and that's it. Continuing to

1521
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:33,520
Speaker 1: do what you do, continue loving what you do, continue

1522
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 1: being an inspiration. Um, be enough, hope, light for everyone

1523
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:43,639
Speaker 1: who wants to not even just do what you do,

1524
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 1: but even just be you, be like you like, continue.

1525
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:53,760
Speaker 1: Thank you for your being a living example, being like

1526
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:56,120
Speaker 1: the way you live. I'm saying it is an example,

1527
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:58,960
Speaker 1: the way you have moved, the way you've just thank

1528
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 1: you for being who you are. And I'm very very

1529
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 1: honored to be a part of this renaissance that the

1530
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:08,000
Speaker 1: genre is going through and to see it happened, to

1531
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 1: be a fan of music and then to just you know,

1532
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 1: be be a part of it all. Soo very very grateful.

1533
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:17,799
Speaker 1: I don't take that lightly. I know ah what it means,

1534
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:22,320
Speaker 1: and it's just I really think that we're in an

1535
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 1: amazing time to be making music. So I feel very

1536
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 1: very lucky. Well, ladies and gentlemen. Um, yeah, your last

1537
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 1: word shavy nothing you know what? Yes? Yes, one last thing.

1538
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:40,640
Speaker 1: When is the Brandy and Joe Joe? When is this

1539
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:43,480
Speaker 1: going to happen? Because I don't know if you remembers

1540
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:49,600
Speaker 1: back year's back studio, I think I had been in

1541
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:52,640
Speaker 1: a session with Brandy and I mentioned your name, and

1542
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 1: then I saw you after and I mentioned her name,

1543
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:58,000
Speaker 1: and then I went on Twitter and I said, I'm

1544
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:03,640
Speaker 1: gonna make Brandy Joe do it. It's like one of

1545
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: the one things I haven't brought to life, like a

1546
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:12,599
Speaker 1: bit of a failure. It's not it's not over. I'm

1547
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 1: waiting on over. Call it out. You know what. Need

1548
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 1: We have talked about it. We are in communication and

1549
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 1: we're you know, I think that we got to do it.

1550
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 1: As my brother ray J would say that it's my

1551
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 1: one week, come on now. And here's another cool thing.

1552
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 1: Right as you are so dope as you are, you're

1553
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 1: still like you're you still have this openness of and

1554
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:45,720
Speaker 1: willingness to wanting to receive new information, Like like when

1555
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:48,560
Speaker 1: we went in the studio and thank you for accepting

1556
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:52,520
Speaker 1: the call um to do somebody else. That is amazing.

1557
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 1: First of all, you went crazy. I was just I

1558
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 1: was just following your but but we're getting the studio

1559
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 1: and you're like, walk me through it, give me, give

1560
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 1: me the vibe, give me the give it to me

1561
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:10,679
Speaker 1: like line by, like just give me the essence. And

1562
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:14,520
Speaker 1: I was like okay, because I was just content with

1563
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 1: you know, just like I remember us walking through it

1564
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 1: line by line and within us kind of collaborating on

1565
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 1: what the essence was gonna be. You just went off

1566
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:34,759
Speaker 1: into this place. It just took it up. Like that song.

1567
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:38,400
Speaker 1: What people say about that song and your performance on

1568
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:43,640
Speaker 1: this song, on that song, still they're still upset with me.

1569
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 1: We don't have a visual for that song. Dumb, so

1570
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 1: such a good son. This super funny. I thought I

1571
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:00,719
Speaker 1: thought there was gonna be like a look with words,

1572
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 1: that fucking dumb shoot the video. Dumb asked, we're gonna

1573
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 1: shoot a video to somebody else? Okay, fuck it? Why not?

1574
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:14,719
Speaker 1: Because we can't do whatever we want to do. People

1575
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:16,600
Speaker 1: love the song what we want to do. People love this.

1576
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 1: We're gonna make a video to somebody else? All right?

1577
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 1: Are we doing that? Yes? Send me treatment? What do

1578
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 1: you mean believe you? Shit? You don't believe me. First

1579
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 1: you told a remixed story to me my segment. Now

1580
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:39,880
Speaker 1: you're giving her bullshit about somebody pound me. You're not

1581
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:44,559
Speaker 1: gonna pound me. I can't even get a pound a video.

1582
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:48,719
Speaker 1: We are going to shoot a video to somebody else.

1583
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 1: That is my word to the creator. Jojo will not

1584
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:58,400
Speaker 1: come on my podcast. And and it's piste and use

1585
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:03,240
Speaker 1: the word dumb, fucking dumb. It was, it was. It

1586
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 1: was a moment. That's so when you asked me to

1587
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:08,600
Speaker 1: be on that song, I'm like Uncle Texter Red, you know,

1588
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 1: it was. It was so exciting that we we were

1589
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:13,080
Speaker 1: finally going to do a record together first of all,

1590
01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 1: and it was it was, it was. It was a

1591
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 1: fan favorite and sometimes trying to get you know, get

1592
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 1: the partners to believe that the fan favorite should have

1593
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 1: a visual and all these things to stuff still. But

1594
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 1: I'll shoot it myself. I'll spend my own money. Don't

1595
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:37,879
Speaker 1: charge me a lot for glam. I'm gonna be worse

1596
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 1: because she likes she don't look good, she don't look right. Listen,

1597
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:47,680
Speaker 1: did you do You did your own makeup today? Right?

1598
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:58,160
Speaker 1: You look amazing? So Joe's makeup take And this has

1599
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 1: been the arm Be Money podcast with our family member,

1600
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 1: our loved one, give it up for Thank you so much, guys,

1601
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:20,400
Speaker 1: finally finally being Money