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Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast's hosted by a bunch of old

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Speaker 1: Gazer Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by Sirius XM. My name is Dan Anderson. I'm

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Speaker 1: joined in the studio filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris

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Speaker 1: Westling and Greg Rosenhal. What is up boys, hey d

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Speaker 1: In the course of our working together, ever been a

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Speaker 1: part this one. I haven't seen Greg since the media

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Speaker 1: Sed egether for like normal humans that wouldn't see that outrageous.

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Speaker 1: Once you become an adult, it's like if you see

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Speaker 1: your friend once a month, it's like that's a pretty

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Speaker 1: good friend. But for us, I was getting the getting

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Speaker 1: the vapors. I didn't like it. How was your trip

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Speaker 1: back East, final trip before now with training camps now

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Speaker 1: upon us? It was beautiful little Red Sox game Boston

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Speaker 1: for three days, a vineyard for three days. You know

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Speaker 1: what PiZZ that? Did you get any Obviously it must

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Speaker 1: have been nostalgia field, but the pangs of maybe I

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Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, Your heart is in

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Speaker 1: the vineyard, yes or no? No? No you didn't you

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Speaker 1: say your mom listen to this show? Yeah, but that's

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Speaker 1: they are my heart. They know I would never Who

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Speaker 1: it's too cold. Who were you about to say? Who

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Speaker 1: would want to live on Martha's Vineyard? I feel like

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Speaker 1: a lot of people. Okay, that's fair. It isn't It

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Speaker 1: isn't amazing. It is a great place that my brother

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Speaker 1: We're at stage five. If you're at the NFL Media Complex.

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Speaker 1: If it sounds a little bit different, which imagine it might,

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Speaker 1: don't complain. Don't send Ricky a bunch of tweets. Oh

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Speaker 1: you're not getting the sound right, right, Ricky? That ain't

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Speaker 1: right because it's not her fault. We're trying to get

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Speaker 1: by Wednesday. And again, as I mentioned on Thursday show,

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Speaker 1: I will have Mina Kimes of ESPN on on the

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Speaker 1: show on Wednesday, Greg, you will not be here. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna be on the road. Is that going to Ravens

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Speaker 1: Camp for revitalized Maryland? You're trying to revitalize the Ravens nest.

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Speaker 1: I mean you can call me up from there if

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Speaker 1: for for Friday show. Did they get a look at

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Speaker 1: your making the leap on Lamar Jackson piece? Is that

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Speaker 1: why you've been invited out there? I think that was

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Speaker 1: the NFL you know our boss's idea behind it? Yes?

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Speaker 1: What about the idea that perhaps at this point your

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Speaker 1: lovel Lamar Jackson's so out of control that you're traveling

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Speaker 1: across the country. A restraining order maybe the best idea?

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Speaker 1: Uh for eric A Costa and Company. I couldn't catch him.

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Speaker 1: Um okay, so yes, me and this here on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: much to get to today. As camps continue to roll

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go through some you know, as camps open,

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Speaker 1: there's always high profile veteran names that you for years

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Speaker 1: So what's the word for, like sub banger? Sub banger?

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Speaker 1: I think it's what we've wanned like February. When you

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Speaker 1: the NFL's camps open. But before we do that, it's

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Speaker 1: time now for what we are hearing presented by Sirius XM.

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Speaker 1: Let's do some news, Ricky, Hey, don't you forget it? Yes,

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Speaker 1: That's right there, that's Mark. That is Brad Pitt talking

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Speaker 1: to Leo DiCaprio in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: The three of us are going to see on Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: the personal front. Inside the building, you know, you like

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Speaker 1: Miss Tara Deaker, who had invited me connected for this

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Speaker 1: evening to the media premiere up at the Arc Light

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Speaker 1: in Hollywood of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. So

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Speaker 1: by tired Dieger, who is a longtime friend of the show.

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Speaker 1: This is where do you put Once Upon a Time

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Speaker 1: of course it's stars DiCaprio and pitt what else could

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Speaker 1: Is this the most excited mark you've ever been to

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Speaker 1: here with news around Tyreek Hill that broke on Friday,

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Speaker 1: so we will now. The NFL announced Friday it could

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Speaker 1: not conclude the Chiefs wide receiver Tyree Hill violated the

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Speaker 1: promptly consider it and take all appropriate steps at that time. Hill,

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Speaker 1: a father. The false allegations originally reported in March were

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Speaker 1: I fully respect and accept the NFL's decision, and I

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Speaker 1: That this wasn't even to me. The president is there

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Speaker 1: from from Roger Goodell with Big Ben to say there

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Speaker 1: There's precedent from Jimmy Smith that if you're threatening your

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Speaker 1: thought you were going to go the other way. Faccio

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Speaker 1: that he by deciding that he was not going to

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Speaker 1: let music be played at practices that would but when

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Speaker 1: he explained it though, No, when he explained it, he

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Speaker 1: seems like he's not sweating the small stuff. Overall. He

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Speaker 1: seems like a cool guy. Would you rather have that

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Speaker 1: or like excessive tweets breaking down like Chip Kelly's Eagles playlist,

433
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Speaker 1: which was a low point. I also like if I

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Speaker 1: think it's ridiculous that he's banning music, but whatever, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna People are starting to get on board with that. Flacco.

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Speaker 1: You know Flacco. We've talked that he's got good hair

437
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Speaker 1: over the years, but what he's doing right now with

438
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Speaker 1: his facial hair game, I find very interesting that he

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Speaker 1: has a higher percentage of his entire facial area covered

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Speaker 1: by hair than I think anyone. I mean, he's got

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Speaker 1: it like right underneath his eyes. It's basically like the

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Speaker 1: whole thing and just his eyes. It's his hair and eyes,

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Speaker 1: and I like that, like you usually they down, but

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Speaker 1: he's got it like it's like every I think you

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Speaker 1: guys are missing the other part of it though. Maybe

446
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Speaker 1: he's a hairy man, but some people see that as masculine.

447
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Speaker 1: I like that. There's a lot of buzz continuing to

448
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Speaker 1: build that Joe Flacco, it's flown under the radar for

449
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Speaker 1: a full decade. Back door hot, really flying away under

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Speaker 1: the radar. I would say he come back candidate today.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that one. He is. He is

452
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Speaker 1: like all any of these quarterbacks you see in person,

453
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Speaker 1: ten times bigger than you realize, and excessively more masculine

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Speaker 1: than I ever thought Joe Flacco was, and better looking

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Speaker 1: in person than I thought he was. So I had

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Speaker 1: to agree right through the back door. Anyway, that's not

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about here. We're talking about Drew lock

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Speaker 1: who maybe one day will be the man to replace

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco and will be the man to to give

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Speaker 1: the Broncos some true stability a quarterback in the post

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Speaker 1: Payton Manning era, and and lord knows they needed under

462
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Speaker 1: John Elway. He fell to the second round of April's Draft,

463
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Speaker 1: forty two overall. But speaking of fig Vagio, he's not

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Speaker 1: ready to, you know, throw it out there that that

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Speaker 1: this kid is knocking on the door to play big

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Speaker 1: time snaps for the Broncos. Let's listen in. You know,

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Speaker 1: his college offense really had no carry over to pro offenses,

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Speaker 1: and he was under durest a lot of times in

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Speaker 1: his college and you know, so a lot of this

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Speaker 1: place he was running around. And I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: far as long being a NFL ready NFL quarterback as

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Speaker 1: he could have been. Okay, so that's what I mean.

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Speaker 1: When he's got to get ready, he's he's not a

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Speaker 1: quarterback yet. You know, he's a heart throwing picture that

475
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Speaker 1: doesn't know how to pitch. You, you know, so faster

476
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Speaker 1: he gets that, the better off he'll be and will be.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can say what you want about baseball,

478
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Speaker 1: but no sport packs the analogies like baseball does. Well.

479
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: It's been around for like a thousand years. So there's

480
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Speaker 1: also an old, long held axiom in baseball circles you

481
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Speaker 1: develop your own hitting and trade for other people's pitching,

482
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Speaker 1: because nothing disappoints a year after year like young pictures.

483
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Speaker 1: And you know, lock what he's saying, he's not. People

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Speaker 1: try to read into that as oh, no Locks in

485
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Speaker 1: the doghouse, Not at all. It's just he's a project.

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Speaker 1: The very essence of what a true project is what

487
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Speaker 1: you never really hear in the end of anymore. Everybody

488
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Speaker 1: just inserted right in the lineup. But you have Fougio

489
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Speaker 1: keeping it real and being like, this kid's gonna take time.

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Speaker 1: I'm working on a piece about when rookie quarterbacks will

491
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Speaker 1: make their first start, and this this impacted my It

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Speaker 1: helped me a little bit. And I gotta say with Fongio,

493
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Speaker 1: there was a time when Dan, when West and I

494
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Speaker 1: fell in love with Dan Quinn during that Super Bowl

495
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Speaker 1: consecutive Super Bowl weeks when he went on to become

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Speaker 1: a head coach. We loved it because we got time

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Speaker 1: to talk to him. Vic Flanio I once sat down

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Speaker 1: during the Super Bowl week at a table, one of

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Speaker 1: those round tables where no one was sitting with Vick

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Speaker 1: Floncio and just sort of it's a good opportunity to

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Speaker 1: drum up some sort of a written piece here. Could

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Speaker 1: not have been more agitated with me that I chose

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Speaker 1: to eat up his time during this. He just rolled

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Speaker 1: his eyes and uh, and so I was. He got

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Speaker 1: on my radar at that point. But now I see

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Speaker 1: a little bit of Bill parcels in him, a little

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Speaker 1: bit of Bruce Arians. I like him. I think he

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Speaker 1: looks at Lock as a guy he would love to

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Speaker 1: go against his defensive coordinating lack. And that was his

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Speaker 1: and that was his scouting report from the Daniel Jeremiah's

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Speaker 1: of the world going into the draft, that like he

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Speaker 1: had a long way to go, So it's no big

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Speaker 1: surprise with a long lee show. I mean, John Elway

514
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Speaker 1: can't love those comments though. It's like the eighteenth quarterback.

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Speaker 1: John always selected this underwhelming. I mean he was on

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Speaker 1: I t C today too, and he was you know

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Speaker 1: when they when they asked him why he had so

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Speaker 1: much confidence in in Flacco bringing Flacco in, and he

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Speaker 1: just thought, well, Flacco had his best years with Gary Kubiak,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we're running a lot of the same

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Speaker 1: things that Gary Kubiak. I was like, well, it would

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Speaker 1: have been nice to keep Gary Kubiak. I think that

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Speaker 1: kind of you know, it was not part of the

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Speaker 1: plan there for Mr Railway. I would like to know more.

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Speaker 1: I'd like sea, yeah, let's get that would be good.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I remember that Super Bowl forty eight Mark,

527
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Speaker 1: it was in New York, New Jersey. You're sidling up

528
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Speaker 1: next to me at the hotel bar and being like

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Speaker 1: Dan Quinn front door hot I did not say that,

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Speaker 1: but I do would not say he. I don't, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't hit, He's not on my radar? Is hot? The

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Speaker 1: super Bowl? Between that and like you guys having to

533
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Speaker 1: stay in Jersey, has that been like the fodder for

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Speaker 1: the most stories told after the fact of this podcast

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Speaker 1: in Northern Russia? Any other Super Bowl locations feel like that? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Injury news as training camps roll out, Julian Edelman, of

537
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: course Tom Brady's number one target. Um, he's gonna miss

538
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Speaker 1: the start of training camp with a thumb issue. You

539
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: never like to hear a wide receiver connected to a

540
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: thumb issue. But this sounds like something that isn't gonna

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Speaker 1: be too serious. But they say he'll be out multiple weeks.

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Speaker 1: According to Mike Giardi, um, so something worth tracking. He

543
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Speaker 1: had a small brace on his thumb at his youth

544
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: camp over the weekend. Um, but for now, Uh, we're

545
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Speaker 1: hearing from rap Sheet that it was quote Greg mild trauma.

546
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: I mean they've got Philip playoff door set in the mix.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be You're fine, You're totally fine. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: just I'll throw a few names out there on the

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Speaker 1: active pupulist, very different active pupelist, reserved publist, totally different

550
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Speaker 1: ball games. Active is fine, you can come up at

551
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Speaker 1: any time. But J. J. Wattonney, DeAndre Hopkins shoulder, Sonny

552
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: Michelle knee, d'amarius Thomas Achilles, Sonny Michelle knee. Mark is

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Speaker 1: that on the radar a little bit? Well, it has

554
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: been for a while because he's I'm not sure what

555
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 1: his role is going to be with this offense. I mean,

556
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: he's certainly obviously makes the team, but I think Damian Harris,

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Speaker 1: the rookie, is someone that's going to get a big role.

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Speaker 1: And all you've heard about is Sonny Michelle not participating,

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Speaker 1: not being on the yield, not being someone that they

560
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Speaker 1: can count on in the off season. And he has

561
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Speaker 1: a long litany of knee injuries. It's it does not

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Speaker 1: add up for a huge year two projection. Well we

563
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Speaker 1: thought all of that last year at this time and worse,

564
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Speaker 1: and then he went and carried the running That's why

565
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: they have like five running backs though they sort of

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Speaker 1: they see value in like these under you know their

567
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: their injury prone. But if you as long as you

568
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Speaker 1: have four of them, then you can survive that. My alone,

569
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Speaker 1: though to be concerned about the status of his was

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Speaker 1: drafting him in fantasy. Yes, as like a Pats fan.

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Speaker 1: I'm not too worried because to me, James White and

572
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Speaker 1: you know, and Damien Harris and the and even Birkhead

573
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Speaker 1: right now is their fifth back like they're got. They're

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Speaker 1: all gonna play. So it's fine. And finally in the news,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemens for one night, yeah him, Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: Frags to the show. Sashi Brown. You remember him, the

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Speaker 1: former Brown's executive vice president who, during his brief tenure

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Speaker 1: there um tore down the franchise, built up draft picks.

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Speaker 1: They went one in seven, passed on Wentz and Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 1: But then after he was canned, all those picks lead

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Speaker 1: to things like Miles Garrett and Baker Mayfield, Denz old

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Speaker 1: Ward and now the Browns are on the up. Well

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Speaker 1: he got a job, I'm wondering. We're just talking about

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Speaker 1: where is Sashi. He's working with the Wizards organization and

585
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Speaker 1: the NBA. UM. They have some type of new program

586
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Speaker 1: called Monumental Basketball newly formed collective UM between the Wizards

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Speaker 1: and the Mystics or the w NBA version of Washington's

588
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Speaker 1: franchise anyway, and also the Capital City go go with

589
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Speaker 1: the G League. I missed that anyway. So Brown will

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Speaker 1: be the chief planning an operations officers. So if you

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Speaker 1: were wondering if Sashi would land on his feet, he will,

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Speaker 1: and depending um mark on how the Browns do this

593
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: year and in the coming years, history will look back

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Speaker 1: on him as a hero. I think that most Browns

595
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: fans already would look back on Sashy Brown and say,

596
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of pain that went along with

597
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Speaker 1: his plan, but it was successful, and to go to

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Speaker 1: another sport doesn't concern me at all because it's not

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Speaker 1: like football. From forefront of analytics, well that's Paulid Podesta,

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Speaker 1: who's still with the Browns quietly behind behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: If Sashi turns the Washington Wizards around, then he might

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Speaker 1: be as smart as all of like the Evans, Silva

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Speaker 1: You know veterans that we know name brands that could

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Speaker 1: be in trouble as teams look to cut down to

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Speaker 1: their final fifty three man roster ahead of week one. Um,

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Speaker 1: do you want to get us going a name that

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Speaker 1: perhaps really jumps out to you or is under the

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Speaker 1: radar a little bit? Well, let's start with one that's

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Speaker 1: it's not under the radar, but Las Shawn McCoy is

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Speaker 1: the biggest name on this list and to me, the

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Speaker 1: most in resting because I don't think it would be

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Speaker 1: a money thing. He's do six million dollars, but they

647
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Speaker 1: have twenty cap space at this point in the year

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Speaker 1: doesn't really matter that much. If if a players on

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Speaker 1: the roster, the team is planning to bring them to

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Speaker 1: to the Week one. So when Brandon Bean says he

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Speaker 1: thinks will Seawan McCoy can play still, I believe him.

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Speaker 1: I think he showed explosion last year at times, but

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Speaker 1: he also had three point two yards per carry in

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Speaker 1: this offense. Does he really fit? They have pretty good

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Speaker 1: depth with Gore and yelled In and Singletary. If all

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Speaker 1: three of those guys show out in camp and that

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Speaker 1: they're all healthy, I think the Bills at that point

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Speaker 1: would just be open to trade him for what they

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Speaker 1: can get. And maybe that's a fourth round pick, maybe

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Speaker 1: that's a trade down you know in the draft. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's not much, but I think I think they would

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Speaker 1: get something for him because I do think he can

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Speaker 1: still play thirty one years old three point two yards

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Speaker 1: per carry and I could not disagree more. His backups

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Speaker 1: looked more explosive than him last year. If my general

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Speaker 1: manager parted with draft pick capital for this guy, I

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Speaker 1: would want him five. Well, what I think could happen

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Speaker 1: would be like a Redskin situation from last year where

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Speaker 1: they signed Adrian Peterson. But they're the type of team

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Speaker 1: I could see just giving up. You know, if there

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Speaker 1: was an injury in training camp to a team like

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Speaker 1: the Redskins, who you know, maybe maybe it's not run

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Speaker 1: by the most antequally analytically minded team or whatever that

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Speaker 1: they trained for Lashawn McCoy, because they lost their Week

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Speaker 1: one starter. And here's a guy who can give you

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Speaker 1: two you need disaster to strike, can also give you

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Speaker 1: six touches when you realize that he's done. Now. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that, I really don't. There were some games

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Speaker 1: I thought, like three point two yards per carry look good.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not a good stat line, but you know,

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Speaker 1: David Johnson wasn't much better in Arizona this past year.

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Speaker 1: You wonder if a guy he's thirty one, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: he could be in a decline and it's not going

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Speaker 1: to get any better. If ever, there was a guy

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Speaker 1: that probably could use a change of scenery, it's Lashawn McCoy,

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Speaker 1: who's gotten paid a bunch in Buffalo. But it's essentially

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Speaker 1: just become an excure, obscure figure after being one of

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Speaker 1: the best pure running backs off the field. There's a

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Speaker 1: different situation, but um best pure running backs in the league,

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Speaker 1: all around talents. I would not surprise me at all

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Speaker 1: if he ended up somewhere else in a better environment

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Speaker 1: or a more winning environment and was a productive player.

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Speaker 1: And he's the type of guy if he got hurt,

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Speaker 1: like you could see them cutting because that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: They don't need the cap space. But why spend six

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Speaker 1: million dollars if you don't if you really don't need to?

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Speaker 1: Um who else you have another running back on this

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Speaker 1: listle guy in the news, Mark your boy. Baker got

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Speaker 1: got on this guy's case a little bit a few

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, but we haven't heard much since Duke. That

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Speaker 1: was Yeah, I put a few that I thought would

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Speaker 1: be more likely to be trade candidates because there's no

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Speaker 1: reason for the Browns to cut Duke Johnson, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and and to me, there's not much reason to trade

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Speaker 1: for him, to trade him, because I kind of doubt

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Speaker 1: another team would give them the value that he could

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Speaker 1: that Duke Johnson could give the Browns this here they're

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Speaker 1: trying to make the playoffs. He's a great complementary back.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a perfect complimentary back. And there if

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Speaker 1: they're counting on Kareem Hunt. Yeah, I'm not sure what

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get with him, and you're gonna you're not

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Speaker 1: to have him til week nine anyways, So if if

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Speaker 1: another team came and offered him a draft pick for

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Speaker 1: Duke Johnson, then he listened to his trade of quest

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Speaker 1: from that, they say, sorry, John Dorsey is the one

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Speaker 1: who signed him to this extension, so why would he

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Speaker 1: Why would he want to move them? It seems like

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Speaker 1: every summer there's a quarterback who's available in case your

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Speaker 1: starter goes down in a preseason game and on your list,

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Speaker 1: Case Keenum is that guy. Once they drafted Dwayne Haskins.

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Speaker 1: To me, he became extraneous. What does he give you

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Speaker 1: the Coote McCoy wouldn't already give you. That was my

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Speaker 1: thought to the call. McCoy and case Keenum are essentially redundant.

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Speaker 1: And if you listen to what Jay Gruden said about

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Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins before they broke for the summer there, it's

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Speaker 1: it's not a finished product, but it is his type

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Speaker 1: of quarterback and he was gushing over him. So to me,

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Speaker 1: Case Keenum feels like it's like last year when the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals went and signed a bunch of guys before getting

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Speaker 1: into the draft and they got the guy they wanted.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at least for one season that you suddenly

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Speaker 1: had these veterans on the ross. So that didn't make

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Speaker 1: a lot of sense in the it's gonna have one

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Speaker 1: too many quarters coming off multiple surgery, so he'd have

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Speaker 1: to show that he is healthy. But if he is,

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Speaker 1: I think this Colt McCoy we're talking about, then case

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Speaker 1: it's not. It wasn't a bad trade for the Redskins

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Speaker 1: because he's doing three and a half million dollars. That's

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Speaker 1: less than most veteran backups. Like I could see a

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Speaker 1: team like let's say the Seahawks if they were really well,

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Speaker 1: now they're gonna see Geno Smith and they're gonna see

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Speaker 1: a teacher they never get the net Like a team

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Speaker 1: that has a has a chance to win a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and feels like they don't like their backup quarterback situation,

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Speaker 1: why not pay case three and half. You know, we

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Speaker 1: need to know, we need now because the NFL is

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Speaker 1: really improved in the last few years, especially last two years,

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Speaker 1: with the trades. There's more trades. A tsunami is hit,

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Speaker 1: how about now we kind of move it even to

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Speaker 1: the next stage, Let's get mid season trades. Let's have

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline means something, because I look at this list.

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Speaker 1: Duke Johnson perfect fodder for a mid season trade because

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Speaker 1: the Browns do need him while Hunt is suspended, and

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Speaker 1: then he'll become, you know, superflous once hunts back, potentially

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Speaker 1: Keen the same thing. They need to wait to make

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Speaker 1: sure Colt McCoy is healthy. You stash him on the

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Speaker 1: pub for eight weeks and then you move. You can

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Speaker 1: flip case. Now, it's not that easy in football because

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Speaker 1: his scheme and playbook and all that stuff, But that'd

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Speaker 1: be kind of fun, a decent pop with the trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: We've talked for years that we would like to see

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Speaker 1: it extended another two weeks or so because then suddenly,

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Speaker 1: like something happens right after the deadline where a team

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Speaker 1: that was streaking is in hot water because they lose someone.

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Speaker 1: Like four days later, you have Carlos hide on here.

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Speaker 1: What Yeah, that was like that was a shot in

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Speaker 1: the dark, but seven just teams. Teams always get tired

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Speaker 1: of Carlos hide faster than than they're expected to. The

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Speaker 1: forty Niners did, the Jaguars did. He's only got seven

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand guaranteed. They really seem so high on Damian Williams,

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Speaker 1: and they're a team I could see picking up another

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Speaker 1: running back that I don't know. It's just something's up

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Speaker 1: with Carlos Hide. Where you watch him, you think this

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Speaker 1: guy is great, but none of the teams that hire

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Speaker 1: him like him. I like this again thee by the way,

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Speaker 1: I'll throw the team. Greg will will not get off

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Speaker 1: the Geno Smith pedal, he writes of Paxson Lynn, the

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Speaker 1: first und pick in Denver, will be battling Geno Smith

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Speaker 1: for the backup job behind Russell Wilson. Geno's not going

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Speaker 1: out like that. Yeah, come on, Paxton Lynch, Gino is like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what a myth match. Well, how about on

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Speaker 1: Thursday show Marticulous, you mentioned how West through in the

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Speaker 1: kicking situation and where was it was? It was the

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Speaker 1: Nicago Yeah, Chicago bear thinnest position group, perhaps as a

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Speaker 1: nod to your podcast made the old zuser. How about

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Speaker 1: Greg throwing set the volve in here just as a

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Speaker 1: nod to his his long forgotten and separated friend Mark

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Speaker 1: s Well, I thought you're gonna go Mason Crosby because

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Speaker 1: he would immediately wind up in Chicago potentially. But yes,

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Speaker 1: Seth DeValve, I think that that was as a tight

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Speaker 1: end too, really round tight end who I have been

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Speaker 1: saying for months will wind up with the Patriot. Sin

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Speaker 1: Gregg has come around to completely agree with you, and

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Speaker 1: so there's there's no way Green base keeping Sam ficking over.

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Speaker 1: Probably have you seen Sam thicking kick? And now I

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Speaker 1: mean I haven't every time they put him in, like

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Speaker 1: when new staffs come in and they're like, hey, we

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Speaker 1: don't have the same loyalty. We're gonna make a statement

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Speaker 1: by you know, releasing one of your favorites, Aaron Rodgers. Sorry, Mason,

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Speaker 1: that seems unlikely. I think he sleeps soundly at night.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking around for first round picks. Yeah, Laquon Treadwell

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Speaker 1: with the Vikings two thousand six first round. You want

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Speaker 1: to know how far can you take? How many paychecks

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Speaker 1: can you get as a first round pick? You can

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Speaker 1: usually get about two years worth of paychecks. And that's

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Speaker 1: not bad because it's nice money. But by training camp three,

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Speaker 1: if you've done Jack and Laquon Treadwell certainly qualifies you

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Speaker 1: are on the bubble. They thought he was gonna be

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Speaker 1: Michael Irvin, that's who they were comparing into when he

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Speaker 1: was drafted. If they had better wide Michael Irvin tough

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Speaker 1: now would be fine. Yes, yards in three seasons total.

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Speaker 1: You have to try to be that in effect. But

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Speaker 1: they don't really have any all right, this is his

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Speaker 1: fourth season. They don't have any good Uh. It's also

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Speaker 1: the guys that like didn't have the fifth round the

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Speaker 1: fifth year option picked up, that they're they're on borrowed time.

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Speaker 1: There's a few of those on the list, and Georgean

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Speaker 1: Taylor and Champ Beebe are getting more like positive pressing

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Speaker 1: you are you're in trouble. I I put a couple

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Speaker 1: of Patriots in here to Rex burke Head into Marius Thomas,

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Speaker 1: who both have big names, and I kind of can't

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Speaker 1: imagine them ever cutting Burkehead, even though he was not

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Speaker 1: as good a player I would say down the stretch

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Speaker 1: last season and did not have even the best super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I would forever fantasy sunk cost right, I would mention,

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Speaker 1: but I kind of can't imagine them cutting him. And

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Speaker 1: usually injuries have a way of working themselves out, but

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Speaker 1: da Marius Thomas is someone thirty one years old coming

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Speaker 1: off a torn Achilles. I think there's an idea in Boston.

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Speaker 1: It's like, okay, like this is the next veteran that's

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Speaker 1: going to come in and be a great value. But

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Speaker 1: he might be the next veteran that's like Reggie Wayne

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Speaker 1: former Patriot great and and that's the last year the

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Speaker 1: jury was out whether he could still play before he blew. So, alright, Greg,

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Speaker 1: that was nice. Anything else you want to throw? Bang?

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Speaker 1: Sitting right there in the mezzanine, it's like that, should

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Speaker 1: I bring my binoculars? Yeah? That? Should I bring my glove? No,

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Speaker 1: you're not. I've gotta throw one more on Tavon Austin,

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Speaker 1: just because talk about a guy that when you removed

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed that right up. Yeah, just that when you

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Speaker 1: removed from they're going to give him touches the game.

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Speaker 1: He's probably not gonna make the team. That's one of

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Speaker 1: those times where the entire football football cogna sent everybody

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Speaker 1: gets a pat on the head because everyone called out

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Speaker 1: out immediately as BS, everyone's detector went off that Tavon

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Speaker 1: also would never have a role in that offense, and

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Speaker 1: sure enough he did not. Um all right, check it

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Speaker 1: out NFL dot Com Slash Rosenthal. Al Right, before we go, guys,

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Speaker 1: one big thought as training camp rolls out. This is

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Speaker 1: not a conversation piece, although sure listen it's a podcast.

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Speaker 1: If you guys want to talk off it, we can.

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Speaker 1: But more don't remember in the sports reporters, remember I

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Speaker 1: used to watch that religiously recently retired or announced his retirement.

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Speaker 1: What big thought, Mark? It is gone. I think that

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Speaker 1: the thing that I find interesting, even from when we

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Speaker 1: started here almost a decade ago to now, and with

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Speaker 1: the rise of Twitter and with so many more people

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Speaker 1: covering football that wouldn't have otherwise and people that are

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Speaker 1: analytically minded that didn't even exist ten years ago, that

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Speaker 1: it is even though every team is making a bundle

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Speaker 1: of money, which certainly leaves some teams with less um

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Speaker 1: I would say, emphasis, or desire to actually succeed. I

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Speaker 1: love the thread that um that Warren Sharp and Evan

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Speaker 1: Silva have been on of late, and it's in Warren

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Speaker 1: Sharp's excellent magazine that there are a couple of teams

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Speaker 1: that have simply just chosen to be left behind, and

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Speaker 1: that they are. This is the season, I think, more

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Speaker 1: than any other, that will openly expose those certain types

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Speaker 1: of clubs. And a couple of the examples they point

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Speaker 1: out which are so true, is a team like the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: which has been on my radar for a long time,

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Speaker 1: still without the adequately robust scouting department, a team like

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Speaker 1: the Chargers, awesome team right now, but doesn't even have

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Speaker 1: an analytics department. And you've got clubs that don't still

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Speaker 1: think like a third down back is relegated to laid

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Speaker 1: down usage when the trend now is passing to running

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Speaker 1: backs on the early downs. That there are all these

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Speaker 1: offenses that basically you look at the air raid, it

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Speaker 1: started as a high school offense essentially and rows its

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Speaker 1: way up to become something in college and now becomes

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Speaker 1: a pro offense. And that you have NFL coaches scouring

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Speaker 1: high school attacks for new wrinkles and new folds. And

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Speaker 1: you look at a couple of teams that's simply refused

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Speaker 1: to team build or refused to operate on the field

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Speaker 1: like these more modernized, flexible, weekly changing offenses. We said

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Speaker 1: that about the Patriots since we've been here, that they

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Speaker 1: change week to week and and they bear the results

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Speaker 1: of that. And I just look at a team, for instance,

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Speaker 1: like the Giants, not to always pound on them that

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Speaker 1: they're about to pay Eli Manning forty million over this

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Speaker 1: season and next, and they basically today shut down the

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Speaker 1: concept of a quarterback competition after drafting her first round quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You're operating differently than the teams that are at the forefront,

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Speaker 1: that are ultra creative, flexible, and use players to their strengths.

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Speaker 1: And if you're a fan of one of those teams,

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Speaker 1: I think it is a better argument. Now. I didn't

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Speaker 1: always agree with this from West, the ditching your team

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Speaker 1: to enjoy the sport for what it is, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: do that. Well, hold on, so with the Bengals, you

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Speaker 1: were so irate with how they were run that you

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Speaker 1: came to a breakup scenario that you feel strongly about. Still,

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Speaker 1: why you why you went through that process. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to try to never advocated for other people to

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Speaker 1: break up with their teams. The Bengals of the nineties,

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Speaker 1: if you think they're scouting department now is spartan you

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Speaker 1: should have seen in the nineties has all members of

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Speaker 1: the Brown family, and once in a while an announcer

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Speaker 1: for the Big East would give them a report that's

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Speaker 1: basically like the Street and Smith like college football annual.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that you shouldn't necessarily chase after that.

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Speaker 1: But it is acceptable because there's more coverable more about

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Speaker 1: like the concept that Evan and Warren have been saying

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Speaker 1: about tribalism and really attaching to you know what they say, laundry.

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Speaker 1: No matter what your team does, no matter what offense

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Speaker 1: they do, no matter what the players do off the

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Speaker 1: field to offend you, you're always going to stick up

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Speaker 1: for that team, that team, that team. And you're saying

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Speaker 1: maybe you don't like to be that treating this week

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Speaker 1: as some sort of like sell right. But I also

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Speaker 1: think it's not just little things like you know, players

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Speaker 1: coming and going, but how the team has run over

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Speaker 1: the course of fifteen twenty years. If they are distinctly

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Speaker 1: choosing to not be competitive, what have you signed up for?

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Speaker 1: That's what are you choosing to do with your autumns?

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Speaker 1: It's fair to ask. It's fair to ask that question.

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Speaker 1: I just always take exception to people who like their

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Speaker 1: team goes on a losing stream and they're like, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna pull a West and just well, I think that's

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Speaker 1: a different that's that's not sticking with with the team.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking one that fundamentally, over the course of a

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Speaker 1: long period of time, shows no desire to be competitive.

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Speaker 1: One big thought, m if I had known you were

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Speaker 1: going to compare it to like partying shots, that would have,

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Speaker 1: like broke, I would have written down my best like

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Speaker 1: thirty five second Loopaca, Loopaca. You know you could totally

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Speaker 1: see where it was going the whole time, and he

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Speaker 1: just and a smug, terrible yeah, needs to take fire.

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Speaker 1: You know what Mark mentioned, you know, the air raid

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Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray, who I think is just a symbol

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Speaker 1: of the turnover of the young quarterbacks that like the

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Speaker 1: revolutions here, like we've you know, you wanted to turn over.

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Speaker 1: I've been writing about it on QB Index since I

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Speaker 1: started writing that article, which was six seven years ago,

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Speaker 1: and I think I was always premature. But now it's here,

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Speaker 1: like the turnover has happened. Like it's happened, and it's

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Speaker 1: a big year for Kyler Murray's are really like exciting,

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Speaker 1: crazy outlier part of it, and so is Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: And those are two of the guys I'm most excited for,

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Speaker 1: but there's so many others. I mean, the m v

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Speaker 1: P of the league's entering his third year. Sam Donald

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Speaker 1: has a lot of crazy athleticism and and everything that

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Speaker 1: you would want out of a young quarterback that you

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Speaker 1: didn't necessarily see too often thirty or forty years ago. Fourteen,

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Speaker 1: you know, if Rosen started fourteen of the of the

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Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks around the rookie contracts, and that doesn't even

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Speaker 1: count Carson Wentz, who's already resigned. So the league is

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Speaker 1: so young at quarterback that that's, you know, the thing

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Speaker 1: I'm most excited. Some are gonna go up, and you know,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Watson or Mayfield or whoever it is, and

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Speaker 1: some are gonna go down and inevitably be disappointing. But

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Speaker 1: like the turnovers happened, Brady, Brady and Rivers and Ben

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Speaker 1: are off still there, but it's now uh waded towards

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Speaker 1: the young quarterback. So that's the normal all around the league.

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Speaker 1: That that's funny. My point is similar in that when

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Speaker 1: you look at training camp coming up, what do we

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Speaker 1: have for actual camp battles? Rosen first, Fitzpatrick Haskins is

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Speaker 1: gonna win the Washington job, right, I think they want

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Speaker 1: him to battle? It wouldn't I could I totally replace

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Speaker 1: theme Keenom in Week two or something crazy. Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: is not losing out to Brett Hunley. And when you

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Speaker 1: look at it and there are five quarterbacks, is Greg

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Speaker 1: alluded to entering Week one at thirty seven years of

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Speaker 1: major older Brady Big, Ben, Rivers, Eli Brees, Only Eli

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Speaker 1: and maybe Breeze have a successor in place on the roster.

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Speaker 1: Then you have the teams like the Raiders, Broncos, Bengals, Titans, Buccaneers.

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Speaker 1: They have established starters in place, but if things go

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Speaker 1: sideways this year, that could change quickly. So my my

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Speaker 1: big one thought right now is this year, this summer

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Speaker 1: is not going to be like a major point of

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Speaker 1: excitement of who's starting were for the most part, but

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Speaker 1: that's gonna change a lot and very soon. Un So

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Speaker 1: if your team, for instance, like the Dolphins right now,

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Speaker 1: who yes, maybe Josh Rosen does step into the lineup

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Speaker 1: and prove that he's a guy to build around. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'll believe that when I see it. But the Dolphins

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Speaker 1: are probably thinking privately that Rosen's a flyer and we're

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Speaker 1: all in on the top of the quarterback class in April,

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Speaker 1: and the way we see it now, we're Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: not gonna have a ton of competition. Just wait, because

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Speaker 1: this is all going to change, and these quarterbacks getting

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Speaker 1: older is going to lead to a big sea change

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Speaker 1: where there's gonna be a lot of established franchises looking

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Speaker 1: to build at the game's most important position. Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: is on a contract here and they don't have a

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Speaker 1: successor No. I'm just it's just it's worth putting out there,

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Speaker 1: especially when Baker Mayfield keeps saying this is the second

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Speaker 1: time he said that that he was convinced that the

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Speaker 1: Patriots were going to trade up to take him at

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Speaker 1: number two. I know that's like ancient history now, but

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Speaker 1: it's just they have to be thinking about their next quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: So they're one of those teams. Absolutely. I don't remember

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Speaker 1: the last draft that wasn't rife with rumors that the

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Speaker 1: Patriots were gonna right up and select every quarterback. West

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Speaker 1: closed us out. This is more about a one single team,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to be an active pop alarmist,

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Speaker 1: but there's an a f C contender hanging by a

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Speaker 1: thread right now, and it's the Houston Texans if anyone,

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, if the quarterback goes down that's the

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Speaker 1: same case with just about every team in the league.

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Speaker 1: That's an issue. But DeAndre Hopkins returning from ligaments torn

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Speaker 1: off the bone and his shoulder an injury that happened

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Speaker 1: in the playoff games, so nobody really talked about it.

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Speaker 1: There wasn't as much fallout. It wasn't um, it wasn't

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Speaker 1: some grotesque injury that happened on the field, and you

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Speaker 1: can see it, but it flew under the radar. J J.

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Speaker 1: Watton now on the wrong side of thirty with his

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Speaker 1: major injury history, Will Fuller coming off a torn a

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Speaker 1: c l J. J. Clowney and his uncertain future and

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Speaker 1: what that means for contract push, whether reports on time.

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Speaker 1: They're running backs Lamar Miller, who also nearing thirty years

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Speaker 1: old and not the most explosive running back in the league.

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Speaker 1: They don't have much depth hind him. If Bradley Roby

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Speaker 1: is a free agent bust. If any one of these

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Speaker 1: players goes down, they're done. I just don't think to

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Speaker 1: mention the offensive line, which is suspected best, and the

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Speaker 1: quarterback has been hit as much as anyone. It's just

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Speaker 1: a team with no depth. It feels like something we

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Speaker 1: hear a lot every August of this team, and then

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Speaker 1: they're right in the mix and the counter that they

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Speaker 1: have more injury questions issue. It's fair why even last

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Speaker 1: year he had sixteen sacks and was again, you know,

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Speaker 1: an all Pro dominant player. He was beat up a

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Speaker 1: lot again last year, and he just wonder how much

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Speaker 1: longer is much his body will take and whether he's

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Speaker 1: a guy that ultimately walks away from the game sooner

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Speaker 1: than we realize. I definitely sense urgency as a big

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Speaker 1: issue with that team, especially with Clowney. Now we seem

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Speaker 1: they seem to be willing to go a year to

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Speaker 1: year or less with him, so they too. I think

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Speaker 1: they're a boom er Bus team. I'm with you ust

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Speaker 1: on that. I just think they have a higher ceiling

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Speaker 1: than perhaps I don't. I I'm not worried about the ceiling.

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Speaker 1: I just think the floor is like easily last place

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Speaker 1: in that division. I thought about one of the worst

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Speaker 1: teams in a FC if they just get an injury

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Speaker 1: or two. Thought about putting Whitney Merciless on that potential

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Speaker 1: cuts list. I don't. I don't think anyone, not many

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Speaker 1: pass rushers in the NFL had a worst season than

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Speaker 1: him period much less one making the kind of money

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Speaker 1: that he said. That is some merciless criticism. Greg missed guy.

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Speaker 1: All right, so there you go. Good show, four Horsemen

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Speaker 1: back together. Are you with us on Friday? Yeah? Right, good.

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Speaker 1: So it will will be back to three UM on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: unless we have someone sitting in the Greg's chair Minas

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Speaker 1: stepping in for me. Basically, I mean it will be

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Speaker 1: on the show. So we're looking forward to that. And

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Speaker 1: uh and so much coming up. As I tease last

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Speaker 1: um the last week, things going on behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: about the Round the NFL podcast. All good news, right

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Speaker 1: the one I was thinking one of my big potential

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Speaker 1: takeaways or thoughts going to there. It's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: big year for Ricky Hollywood, Erica Dampose just watch out there.

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Speaker 1: I mean she has a ship taken off to the moon.

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Speaker 1: Do you know that it's years ago? In sports, it's

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Speaker 1: like the you know, age seven season is where you

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Speaker 1: really hit your prime. Ricky's right in that area now

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Speaker 1: where her career. It's either gonna stay where it is

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Speaker 1: and be okay, or it's gonna make that leave, making

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Speaker 1: the leave for Erica Tampose. And I'm going with Greg,

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Speaker 1: I think this is just gonna be wild the Texas.

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Speaker 1: There's no Yeah. The name Ricky has been great branding,

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Speaker 1: although confusing. I had a friend who thought Erica Ricky

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Speaker 1: and and still thought Lindsay was in the mix too.

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Speaker 1: We're all three rotating the Erica and Ricky were different people,

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Speaker 1: So I mean I would say that doing a little

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Speaker 1: bit more homework consterms of listening to the show. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: but yes, Ricky will be back with us as well

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, so the whole, the whole gang's together and

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Speaker 1: life is good. All right. This is Dan hands As

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Speaker 1: signing off for the Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the Old Boss,

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Speaker 1: and yes that's just Ricky Ricky Hollywood. The two words

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Speaker 1: go together. Beautiful God Until Wednesday. H m hm