Speaker 1: Every day a week, clicks up the Breakfast Club, finish
Speaker 1: for y'all.
Speaker 2: Done morning everybody.
Speaker 3: It's the j en Vy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the God
Speaker 3: we are the Breakfast Club. Lona Ros is here as well.
Speaker 3: We got a special guest in the building.
Speaker 1: Man, another culture like we having a weaker culture.
Speaker 3: Like ai Alanson, Chuck whatever you want to call him,
Speaker 3: Mster seven five seven. He's in the building. New book
Speaker 3: Misunderstood is out right now alan Ovis. Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 3: are you feeling man?
Speaker 2: Good life? Life be life in the same fight, different round,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I want to how much
Speaker 2: time we got to like me because I don't know
Speaker 2: where it's gonna go. But look, man, friends, all right,
Speaker 2: so I know you know what type of I mean.
Speaker 2: I'm just mean, Jess, But you know, you know how
Speaker 2: you get to know somebody from afar and you get
Speaker 2: basically kind of tell what type of person they are.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Obviously I've known you since
Speaker 2: I was in high school and big fan of you,
Speaker 2: bro move close. I'm bad friendships, Man, It's hard, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Because when you think about your friends,
Speaker 2: obviously you know you can't choose your family members, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, you're born into that. But your friends,
Speaker 2: you feel like, you know, y'all got so much in
Speaker 2: common with each other, and you have so much love
Speaker 2: for them because you know they kind of like a
Speaker 2: basically a reflection of you, or you got the same
Speaker 2: type of things in common or whatever, and you just
Speaker 2: grow to love them like family. They become you know,
Speaker 2: the guys become brothers, and your homegirls become your sisters.
Speaker 2: But it's rough man navigating through that, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I know how much I love my family,
Speaker 2: my friends. I got so much when I first got
Speaker 2: into the league, you know what I mean. It was
Speaker 2: the entourage, bringing homeboys from where you're from. You trust
Speaker 2: them so much, you love them. You want them to
Speaker 2: go on the ride with you. You want them to
Speaker 2: take this journey, you know through it. It's new to me.
Speaker 2: I've been poor all my whole life, and then snap
Speaker 2: of a finger, I'm rich and famous and it's a lot,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So you want to have
Speaker 2: so many people around you that you love me, you trust,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And the money man just
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, it's just you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, and it's it's it's so different from me,
Speaker 2: and it's so hard for me because with my athletic
Speaker 2: ability that I was blessed with. I've been like this
Speaker 2: since I was eight years old. Like I always felt
Speaker 2: that I was rich, but I was poor. I always
Speaker 2: been famous, you know what I mean. When I was
Speaker 2: eight years old, I go into barbershop and guys said
Speaker 2: teen eighteen, twenty twenty five years old. Guys like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: there you go. You know that's the one right there,
Speaker 2: that's him. So it's always been that for me. I
Speaker 2: always had that attention, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 2: always been like that. And you know, once I got
Speaker 2: some money, it was no different from me. Obviously I
Speaker 2: could do things with my family and my friends that
Speaker 2: I couldn't do before. You know, that's that goes without saying.
Speaker 2: And I've never had a person you know my nickname obviously,
Speaker 2: you know my name, Chuck. You know, I've never heard
Speaker 2: a person say, you know, once Chuck got some money,
Speaker 2: he changed, Once Chuck got to the NBA, he changed,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I've never heard that, you
Speaker 2: know before, because you know, the people that know me
Speaker 2: and love me and the people that I love know
Speaker 2: I'm me, you know what I mean. That's one of
Speaker 2: my biggest fears, or had been one of my biggest fears.
Speaker 2: Of looking in the mirror and not being able to
Speaker 2: recognize you know, well, my mom and the people that
Speaker 2: I loved. Not be able to recognize who I see,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, meant something to me. But man,
Speaker 2: just the painful lessons of friends not being who you
Speaker 2: think they they are. When you add the rout of
Speaker 2: all evil, any.
Speaker 1: Thing, something something just recently happened.
Speaker 2: It happens, and the reason definitely, it happens all the time.
Speaker 2: But I feel a pendulum swinging in another direction as
Speaker 2: far as how I feel about it, like how it
Speaker 2: used to hurt me. You know what I mean. You
Speaker 2: you tell someone you want to find out if somebody
Speaker 2: your friend, you tell them no one you know, and
Speaker 2: and their reaction with what was said all you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Chuck a man, I got a business,
Speaker 2: you know, opportunity. I want to start this. I want
Speaker 2: to start that. Man can give me a hundred thousand
Speaker 2: and you don't even have to tell them no. You
Speaker 2: can say not right now, you know later on. But
Speaker 2: these are the same people pay their rent that over
Speaker 2: the years child support. You know what I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: pay your mom rent. You know this that every time
Speaker 2: you go to a jewelry store, you're taking them, you know,
Speaker 2: because the most awkward feeling is you know, for me,
Speaker 2: this is just me growing up, being young and not
Speaker 2: knowing early in the preliminary stages of getting some money.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like I don't want to
Speaker 2: be shining and looking good and my homeboys not. So
Speaker 2: when I go see Manny, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: they going You know what I mean, when I get cars,
Speaker 2: they get cars, you know what I mean. Like, and
Speaker 2: you know it's just like when you tell them no,
Speaker 2: the way they you know they act. You know, somebody
Speaker 2: saying this, yo, man, what's up with your man?
Speaker 1: They are?
Speaker 2: You know, what's up with the man? Fuck that nigga?
Speaker 2: Dangn You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like after reading your book, nobody's your question. You're loyal.
Speaker 1: You'll ever say you took care of me.
Speaker 3: I'm what you've seen, But do you regret that? Because
Speaker 3: I mean, Virginia, that's you everywhere.
Speaker 2: That's where I say the pendulum is swinging. That's that's
Speaker 2: why I say or feel that my maturation is on
Speaker 2: a higher level now because back then, when something traumatic
Speaker 2: will happen to me like that, I see how they
Speaker 2: act for me telling them no, like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Like it's like I feel myself not giving
Speaker 2: the damn anymore, Like you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the same people that come to me,
Speaker 2: you know, be at my practice eight o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 2: you know, Christmas Eve, saying what their kids don't have?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. One thing about the people
Speaker 2: that you love, people that love you or supposed to
Speaker 2: love you, is they know you better than anybody. They
Speaker 2: know my heart. You throw your kids in there, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Everybody know Christmas on the twenty
Speaker 2: fifth of December every year, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But man, my kids ain't gonna have nothing, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, what I supposed to do.
Speaker 4: Something you said in the book that hit me too
Speaker 4: is you was like, man, you was that kid, so
Speaker 4: you understood what it felt it not have when they
Speaker 4: came to you.
Speaker 1: You was like, I gotta do.
Speaker 2: And I had the mother and the father that hustled
Speaker 2: to get us what they could, but they couldn't get
Speaker 2: us things. You know, I wanted op ed for Christmas.
Speaker 2: I wanted certain things and then you wake up that
Speaker 2: morning and it's not there. You know, you may have
Speaker 2: a you know, past sneakers or T shirt and that
Speaker 2: be the only thing you get, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So you know, I ain't never want my homeboys kids
Speaker 2: to you know, look at them crazy And now you know,
Speaker 2: like i've years ago, it's you know, I ran into
Speaker 2: the craziest shit. But years ago, you know, money got funny,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And you know I had
Speaker 2: realized at a point like I ain't have the word
Speaker 2: knowing my vocabulary when it comes to people, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I was so used to I
Speaker 2: never held anybody accountable for why I had to be
Speaker 2: the one taking care of everybody, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I was the one going to work every single day.
Speaker 2: I was breaking bones, stitches on the stitches in my face,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And it just it just
Speaker 2: taught me a lot, man. And now you know, I know,
Speaker 2: life be lifeing, But to be still dealing with those
Speaker 2: type of people and caring about how they feel when
Speaker 2: you know what you've done for them, you know, you
Speaker 2: wake up. And some people wake up in their life
Speaker 2: just not where they wanted to be. And the first
Speaker 2: thing you could think of is blame it on Chuck,
Speaker 2: you know, figure out some way that I can blame
Speaker 2: it on somebody else to while my life is not
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 3: You ever have impasta syndrome? And the reason I asked
Speaker 3: if you talk about all that right? And I remember
Speaker 3: the Bowling Alley incident in Virginia, and it feels like,
Speaker 3: regardless of what happened in VA, you always came back
Speaker 3: and you always wanted to show the love. No matter
Speaker 3: what happened. You talk about the people you put on
Speaker 3: the city was against you, and Virginia could have been
Speaker 3: racist back then. It was really racist back then. We
Speaker 3: all seen it, but you still came back to that
Speaker 3: seven five seven to show love.
Speaker 2: I am I am VA. It's me, It's Amy, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And the crazy, crazy thing about
Speaker 2: what I was just talking to my man about this
Speaker 2: before we got in here, so I had to do
Speaker 2: all the stuff, you know, all my media runs and
Speaker 2: all that. Yesterday I just signed a thousand books and
Speaker 2: you know, take a thousand pictures, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: With the people that bought the books beautiful, but I was,
Speaker 2: you know, I was tired, and right after that as
Speaker 2: my daughter's birthday, and I had to you know, she
Speaker 2: wanted to be with me, so I had to, you know,
Speaker 2: take care of her after all of that, and I
Speaker 2: got done. Maybe I started at six, got done like
Speaker 2: maybe ten o'clock. She wanted to go bowling and wanted
Speaker 2: to go to a escapeboarm okay, but I had no
Speaker 2: idea that the escape room was like you're in a
Speaker 2: jail scene, you know what I mean. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: this this is your life for real, Like out of
Speaker 2: all the places that she want to go on her birthday,
Speaker 2: bowling in a jail. You know.
Speaker 5: But she's smart because you got to figure out how
Speaker 5: she probably figured out how.
Speaker 2: To get But you know, I'm thinking, like the last
Speaker 2: place I want to be from my memory to jail
Speaker 2: bowling out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So I mean, I want to go back to your
Speaker 4: friend's thing real quick, right because even in the book,
Speaker 4: there's nobody that felt like that was around you that
Speaker 4: didn't help you in some way, shape or form. So
Speaker 4: you was repaying them, like you talk about how when
Speaker 4: you was in jail, they was taking care of your mom.
Speaker 4: And they were the ones that would tell you, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, you're not gonna be hustling, You're gonna be
Speaker 4: playing ball. So it wasn't like you just had a
Speaker 4: bunch of leeches around you. Was there was people that
Speaker 4: looked out for you, so you look back out for them.
Speaker 2: You know what I would have I would have done
Speaker 2: it anyway. Like I ain't never expected like if I
Speaker 2: if I you know, if I look out for one
Speaker 2: of my my homeboys, my home I don't expect you
Speaker 2: to give it back, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 2: ain't never asked for nothing back. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I just feel like me being ahead of the snake.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like me the perfect example. It's like
Speaker 2: me being on twenty one team went to the finals.
Speaker 2: I'm the killer. Everybody know that this is the guy
Speaker 2: gonna put the ball in the basket. This is what
Speaker 2: he do. Now, what we do is compliment him. We
Speaker 2: do everything else. All his deficiencies and things that he
Speaker 2: can't do on the defensive end of the you know,
Speaker 2: of the court. You know, he's leading the league and
Speaker 2: stills year after year. But you got to gamble and
Speaker 2: when he gambled. The ken Bay is there to make
Speaker 2: sure I'm good. The O is there, the block shots
Speaker 2: make sure I'm good. They could do all of the
Speaker 2: things that I couldn't do it, and that's what that's
Speaker 2: what made Voltron, you know what I mean. You put
Speaker 2: all those things together, and that it was me and
Speaker 2: a bunch of dogs, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: it's the same thing with my friendship. Yeah, he's the guy,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, he's like us, but he's
Speaker 2: not like us, you know, he is AI. So we
Speaker 2: got to act accordingly to that. Yeah, he chucked us,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, but people look at him
Speaker 2: another way. So I have a role, you know, I
Speaker 2: have to do this. This is my part. This is
Speaker 2: what I have to do, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: This is what I have to do, you know. And
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know if I said that,
Speaker 2: but looking out for my mom financially, it is totally
Speaker 2: different than going around there and checking on you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It was never no you know, like
Speaker 2: like I did when it came to to that family,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Another thing too, and maybe this could be part of
Speaker 4: what you're feeling right now. It seemed like the whole
Speaker 4: team had a dream.
Speaker 1: It wasn't.
Speaker 4: It wasn't you supposed to get on in basketball. You're
Speaker 4: supposed to get on in basketball. And everybody was supposed
Speaker 4: to make it a rap, so everybody was supposed to
Speaker 4: be doing their own thing.
Speaker 2: I didn't have the I didn't have the Lebron James. True,
Speaker 2: I didn't have that blueprint, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I'm like, look, we're gonna get in when we fit in,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, I've had one of
Speaker 2: my homeboys tell me, like, I'm going to work every day,
Speaker 2: working every day. Mas's supposed to be a superstar by now,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, going to work. I'm like,
Speaker 2: like I've had incidents like you know, I'm getting ready
Speaker 2: to go on the road and it was a casino,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I go to the bank,
Speaker 2: I get fifty thousand, they got thirty thousand and large
Speaker 2: and twenty thousand and you know, twenties. And I'm getting
Speaker 2: on the plane. My man come, I give him the
Speaker 2: twenty thousand. He looked at it like it was something
Speaker 2: wrong with it because it was all twenties, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, yo, did this, you know, really
Speaker 2: just that really just happened, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And it's like, you know you can, you can. You're
Speaker 2: thinking you're doing what's right, but you only you're not
Speaker 2: holding people accountable. You being a crutch for him. It's
Speaker 2: like putting a band aid on something, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. You're not stitching it up, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, not stapling it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And they always feel like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But like the hurtful part is the response of actually
Speaker 2: saying no, probably because they never heard it, like when
Speaker 2: I implemented that in my vocabulary, like no, what you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And and like for somebody I'm
Speaker 2: built so different, like somebody just like en be getting
Speaker 2: me a barber, Like that's gonna be something that resonates
Speaker 2: with me forever. I know, we already got a relationship,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, But still, like I needed
Speaker 2: a barber in New York. My man looked out for me,
Speaker 2: Like that goes long way with me. But you can
Speaker 2: do a million things for somebody, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: The first time, you know what I mean, And I
Speaker 2: was warned about it, you know what I mean, Aaron
Speaker 2: Mkey told me. He said, Chuck, just you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. When you when you cut in your grass,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and you getting them snakes
Speaker 2: out of there, you ask ask somebody, you know, let
Speaker 2: him ask you for something and tell him no, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And I think I'm doing a
Speaker 2: great job of cutting it. But you still got a
Speaker 2: little small you know. The snakes might be gone, but
Speaker 2: some worms in there, some small you know.
Speaker 4: Right now it's Charles Barkley and a whole bunch of
Speaker 4: people saying we was trying to tell him.
Speaker 1: This thirty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you when you like it's just like
Speaker 2: the basketball aspect of everything. I ain't never think that
Speaker 2: I will retire there early, you know what I mean. Man,
Speaker 2: I ain't never had no back up playing Like growing up,
Speaker 2: once my mom told me I could be anything I
Speaker 2: wanted to be. I wanted to be a NBA basketball player,
Speaker 2: and that was it. It was no it was no
Speaker 2: b C. D. It was just that that one dream,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I didn't have no no blueprint.
Speaker 2: I ain't even had nobody in my family that went
Speaker 2: to college, you know what I mean, nobody ever been married.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Everything was new to me.
Speaker 2: I was. I was doing everything on the fly, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, So you know my mistakes was
Speaker 2: coming at a rapid pace, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And you know you think you know. Coach Thompson used
Speaker 2: to always tell me, you always listen in to everybody else.
Speaker 2: You're always listening to somebody that's never been to you know,
Speaker 2: from A to Z telling you how to get there,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And that's what I was.
Speaker 2: I had everybody that wasn't me and never had the
Speaker 2: experience telling me how to do it.
Speaker 3: You talk about your VC plan right, you see what
Speaker 3: Michael Vick's doing with Norfolk State. Absolutely have you ever
Speaker 3: thought about coaching?
Speaker 2: No? Why not?
Speaker 3: Because they would listen to you, right, especially if you
Speaker 3: go They were definitely listening.
Speaker 2: I've been, I've been one of the players, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Yeah, coach make millions of dollars, but
Speaker 2: you got these guys making That's why I take my
Speaker 2: hat off to anybody that coached the NBA. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like you have a unique talent, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. To have a bunch of guys
Speaker 2: with a bunch of egos everybody come from being a
Speaker 2: man and then you put them on the team and
Speaker 2: everybody got the same goal. And I just don't feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, I can coach you guys A bunch of
Speaker 2: guys that make more money than me. Listen to me
Speaker 2: for what that's why? Is it god given talent? Any
Speaker 2: NBA coach that make it that far blessed?
Speaker 1: Not even NBA coaches.
Speaker 4: You talk about in the book how you filed out
Speaker 4: and you had to be on the sideline and you
Speaker 4: just was watching it from your coach's perspective. I think
Speaker 4: that was in high school, baby, and you was like, damn,
Speaker 4: this is what you see.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the title of the book.
Speaker 4: Man, do you think you were misunderstood that the title
Speaker 4: of the book or did people outside of your circle
Speaker 4: just not take the time to understand you.
Speaker 2: You're a smart dude sometimes a lot. This is one
Speaker 2: of my favorite shows. So I you know, I see
Speaker 2: the good days a bad days. I watched Dame come
Speaker 2: up here. It's for real, it gets real. I think this.
Speaker 2: I think they can answer it better. My perspective is,
Speaker 2: you know, they were learning on the fly to It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, with my documentary that's coming out. It was
Speaker 2: like three hours long. I think I cried like two
Speaker 2: and a half hours of I had to keep walking
Speaker 2: out of the theater because you think, you know, when
Speaker 2: it comes to people that love you, you think you
Speaker 2: know how they feel about you know, turbulent times, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, and you think you know how
Speaker 2: they feel. You think your girl know, you think you
Speaker 2: think you know how your girl feel. You think you
Speaker 2: know how your mom feel, your uncles, your aunts, your homeboys,
Speaker 2: your homegirls. But then when they actually tell you from
Speaker 2: their point of view, how they felt, you know, and
Speaker 2: how they looked at things, and how I didn't see
Speaker 2: how I was fucking up, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: how they had to try to address me with certain
Speaker 2: things like you know, you driving the car, we we
Speaker 2: riding shotgun, you know what I mean. Like and it's
Speaker 2: hard to tell somebody, you know that's trying to live
Speaker 2: their life, you know what they should do and what
Speaker 2: they shouldn't do, you know what I mean. Like I'm
Speaker 2: twenty one years old, you know what I mean. When
Speaker 2: I got into the league, and at that age, like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, you couldn't you couldn't tell
Speaker 2: me nothing. You know what I'm saying, Like I'm here,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like the dress code, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I dressed like the dudes, the drug dealers from my neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Like you know, I'm dressing like this because you know
Speaker 2: this is what the old here is from my neighbor
Speaker 2: but this is how they dressed. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I just couldn't afford it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: My corn rolls. I got corn rolls because I was
Speaker 2: tired of barber's messing my hair. I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: if I just grow my hair, you know, I ain't
Speaker 2: got to deal with that. You know. Tattoos just got addictive.
Speaker 2: I got one. I couldn't afford him. I would have
Speaker 2: been got a lot of it. And you know I was.
Speaker 2: I was playing everything by ear. Like I said, I
Speaker 2: didn't have My daddy was a hustler, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. He was in the streets, my mom in
Speaker 2: the streets, Like I didn't have no.
Speaker 6: You know, I sit you down and give you structure.
Speaker 2: Is how you wasn't no Coach Thompson then, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Wasn't those people They weren't in my
Speaker 2: life yet, So all of all of that was where
Speaker 2: he was he was, but it was it was he
Speaker 2: was there. You know. When I got to the NBA
Speaker 2: me and his phone calls was you know, we never
Speaker 2: talked about basketball, all right, Yeah, I'm just checking on
Speaker 2: I swamna. It's good out of kids, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? And that was it. He was allowing me
Speaker 2: and thinking he was preparing me at Georgetown for what
Speaker 2: was they inevitable me going to the league. You can't
Speaker 2: prepare for that, bro?
Speaker 3: How was that pressure though? Cause the nicest player, right,
Speaker 3: But you changed culture. But when you changed the culture,
Speaker 3: the NBA pushed back against it. But you never broke.
Speaker 3: You never folded, even though they could have said, they
Speaker 3: could have banned. AI said now we don't want you
Speaker 3: in our league.
Speaker 2: But you never folded.
Speaker 3: You never back down, and you kept it that way,
Speaker 3: which hurt you at times.
Speaker 2: Why was that they profited off of too? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like I would be on. One of
Speaker 2: the things that hurt me is I was on a magazine.
Speaker 2: They wanted me on a magazine because of my talent
Speaker 2: and who I was, but they airbrushed my tattoos off
Speaker 2: or you want me but you you know, you want
Speaker 2: some of me. I took the ass with it for it.
Speaker 2: But the dress code thing, like I actually was just
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I was twenty one. Where
Speaker 2: am I going after the game? Going to the club,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Before that, you they were
Speaker 2: used to dudes wearing soups, and you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, Like, I've never worn a soup
Speaker 2: growing up. I'm going to church or to a funeral.
Speaker 2: The only time I put on them in the courtroom.
Speaker 2: Definitely in the courtroom. So I never wore a soup
Speaker 2: to the to the gym, to play, to the to
Speaker 2: the park, sweatsuit, you know what I mean, or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So I ain't think I
Speaker 2: ain't think nothing of it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And then you know I got some money, so the
Speaker 2: jewelry and I always had a fet as me and
Speaker 2: my mom since I was a little kid, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's always been like that. So you know,
Speaker 2: I remember being and and uh in college and my
Speaker 2: teammates like, yo, when you get to the lead man,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get the jewelry, like park, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, you gonna have the jewelry like puff you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Yeah, you know, and the first thing,
Speaker 2: like when the first thing I did was come up
Speaker 2: here and went to Tito. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like I didn't think nothing. I was living, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, And David Stern and rested in me.
Speaker 2: They was like nah, because it was all right when
Speaker 2: I was doing it. But then everybody else said, okay,
Speaker 2: like he can do that, we can do this. So
Speaker 2: then everybody, you know, you see Kobe coming in with
Speaker 2: the diamond chains on and the baggy clothes, and you know,
Speaker 2: everybody started doing it. Then the league was like, hold on,
Speaker 2: we gotta do something about that. So it wasn't it
Speaker 2: wasn't anything malicious like and that and that. That whole
Speaker 2: situation showed me a lot and it proved a lot
Speaker 2: to me at a young age about stereotyping people. Because
Speaker 2: you know, when you seen John Gotti, John Gotty kept
Speaker 2: on the two thousand dollars suit, but what was he
Speaker 2: He get busy, you know what I mean. So it
Speaker 2: ain't about what you got on. You watched reservoir dogs,
Speaker 2: what they have on when they when they robbed that.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, so it ain't about you
Speaker 2: know what you got on on the outside, who you are.
Speaker 3: And they said that bother you the most where they
Speaker 3: labeled you a thug.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, I'll be cool with
Speaker 2: I'll be cool with, you know, a street dude. Cool
Speaker 2: with that, because that's what I am. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: where I come from. That's all I've ever been around
Speaker 2: my life. That's where I grew up around, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. But a thug like h nah, that's
Speaker 2: a that's a stretch.
Speaker 1: I was wondering would you change things?
Speaker 4: And the reason I asked that because even in the book,
Speaker 4: you understood you had to wear a suit the court,
Speaker 4: but you didn't want to do it for press conferences.
Speaker 2: In the NBA, I was bad advice like I was.
Speaker 2: I was, you know, I was told to take a uh,
Speaker 2: go to trial and go off whatever the judge say,
Speaker 2: opposed to having a jury. That was bad, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Some of that I was getting advice
Speaker 2: from people that never had been through it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. I was told that if I was
Speaker 2: suit then they'd be lenient. I was. I was extremely wrong.
Speaker 1: So you wish you to just water I'm not.
Speaker 2: I remember. I remember that same suit. I was a
Speaker 2: in a sale. It was one hundred degrees with no
Speaker 2: fans in there, and the older sale. I was in
Speaker 2: a four man cell with fifteen people, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, and that suit. When they came got me,
Speaker 2: I was in the corner with my boxes on, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, soaking wet, and the suit was
Speaker 2: balled up in the corner. When they came and got
Speaker 2: me out of there, I had on my boxes, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So I don't know what. Do
Speaker 2: you regret anything? Nah? Because I wouldn't be you I
Speaker 2: am now, you know what I mean? Anybody, if I
Speaker 2: died and came back, I would, Man, I'd rather be
Speaker 2: me all over again. But if I change everything. If
Speaker 2: I knew it was coming, anybody going, if you're going
Speaker 2: down of one way street, you're gonna get on the
Speaker 2: right side of the road. You see the tract the
Speaker 2: trailer coming, and you know it's coming. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean. That prepared me to be the man that
Speaker 2: I am today. I had to take this ass whooping
Speaker 2: with the dress code. So now look at everybody, everybody
Speaker 2: give me my flyers for that. You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: for you got them all these personalities. Why would everybody
Speaker 2: dress the same? You got different basketball games? Why everybody
Speaker 2: look the same? You got different games? And people feel
Speaker 2: good about this. So when you I love it thinking
Speaker 2: about you know when I when when it's time to
Speaker 2: go somewhere, trying to go to the club or whatever.
Speaker 2: I ain't battling with the dudes at the club, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I can't wait to meet everybody
Speaker 2: downstairs and see what everybody got on. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like I want to be you know, I
Speaker 2: want to be smoother than my man, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like that make you feel good, you look good,
Speaker 2: you play good even on the court. I wanted to
Speaker 2: look like a superhero like Michael Jordan used to look.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't change I wouldn't change anything, man
Speaker 2: in my life, all of these experience, even with the book. Man,
Speaker 2: it's like I love like my girl always talk to
Speaker 2: me about why do you let like what I started
Speaker 2: talking about in the beginning, why do you let that
Speaker 2: type of shit bother you? And I like practice press no,
Speaker 2: just just what my friends, how people you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, It's like why and I don't know, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like I love the people that
Speaker 2: I love and it hurt when they show you who
Speaker 2: they really are because I'm thinking you somebody else, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And she like, you know, why
Speaker 2: do you stress out over stuff like that? And one
Speaker 2: of you different. You have a talent and you you're
Speaker 2: blessed to be able to brush that stuff off. It's
Speaker 2: hard for me now. My talent obviously is you know,
Speaker 2: legendary with who. But I think another blessed blessing that
Speaker 2: I have is to be an open book, to be
Speaker 2: someone I'm embarrassed by practice rant I'm embarrassed about, uh,
Speaker 2: not really embarrassed. But it wasn't smart for me to,
Speaker 2: you know, because I remember, you know, people telling me Ai,
Speaker 2: you cannot take care of everybody, and I used to
Speaker 2: let it go on one air and write out the
Speaker 2: other like, yo, you know what I mean. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be the exception to the rule. I'm gonna take care
Speaker 2: of the people that I love, like that's just me,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And I think that's why I hurt you so bad,
Speaker 5: because your heart isn't it. You love these people. You know, yeah,
Speaker 5: yeah you're superman, but you still have a heart, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, And you.
Speaker 2: Like but this is but this is my This is
Speaker 2: my gift, Like this is my gift to this book, this,
Speaker 2: this documentary. My experience is the turbulent, the ups and downs.
Speaker 2: Like if one kid or one adult whatever read this
Speaker 2: book and they can take something from it. I have
Speaker 2: people come to me all the time be like, yo, man,
Speaker 2: you inspired my life. Man, I would have died if
Speaker 2: it was for you. I would have went to jail
Speaker 2: for the rest of my life. You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like you changed my life. You know, you inspire me.
Speaker 2: You know your story and this that and the third
Speaker 2: like and that that motivate me. You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like to give more, Like to even when you embarrass
Speaker 2: you uncomfortable, you know, talk about it. Somebody might not
Speaker 2: have to go through it. Somebody might. You might save
Speaker 2: somebody's life, you know what I mean, Like talk about it.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, you might not be You know, man,
Speaker 2: you was on top of the world. You had all
Speaker 2: the money, you know what I mean, all you had
Speaker 2: to do. It's easy for a motherfucker to tell Chuck
Speaker 2: what to do with his easy for somebody to say
Speaker 2: what I would have did? Man, if I was him,
Speaker 2: I would have did. You ain't me, motherfucker. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean. You don't know how. I'm sorry you
Speaker 2: not me. You know what I mean. I make mistakes.
Speaker 2: I'm human just like you.
Speaker 1: That's why we love you, and I love how I
Speaker 1: love how.
Speaker 4: The whole book Misunderstood is literally an explanation as to
Speaker 4: why the whole infamous practice press conference even happened, because
Speaker 4: you was dealing with so much at the time, so
Speaker 4: it wasn't even about you know, those people in the room.
Speaker 1: It's everything else. I was going on outside.
Speaker 2: Man, best friend just just got killed, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I'm like, I'm coming in there, But Charla, Man,
Speaker 2: I'm coming in there like like I'm I'm on cloud nine.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, I get you know, my kids dealing
Speaker 2: with this, like they going to school every day and
Speaker 2: their class may tell your daddy, don't leave, Tell you dad,
Speaker 2: they don't leave. You know, my wife going you know,
Speaker 2: she out in the city. People tell your husband, please
Speaker 2: don't leave. We love them. So they going through it.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, my kids don't really understand daddy,
Speaker 2: don't don't get traded, don't leave like I don't have
Speaker 2: no control over it. So when they called me in there,
Speaker 2: it was like, yo, you ain't going nowhere. So I'm like, shit,
Speaker 2: can we call a press conference? You know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got all everybody in there. I get to tell
Speaker 2: the world I ain't going nowhere. This dude just keep
Speaker 2: on asking me about practice, practice, practice, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I'm like, practice, Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is not what we're here for. This
Speaker 2: is we I mean, let's rejoice, let's be happy, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But it's you you, if you
Speaker 2: know what I know. You got beat writers that write
Speaker 2: every day. And then you know, I was telling steven
Speaker 2: A on this show yesterday, like they want exclusive, you
Speaker 2: turn them down for exclusive the first chance they get,
Speaker 2: kick your back off, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: it was him. I'm sitting there looking at him, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, and if I was, if
Speaker 2: I was prepared, which I wasn't. If I was, I'm like, yo, man,
Speaker 2: I was the MVP last season, the best player in
Speaker 2: the whole world. You know what I mean, coming from
Speaker 2: where I come from, and if I didn't practice, how
Speaker 2: would I be able to accomplish something like that. I
Speaker 2: must be really good, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 2: I wasn't prepared for it like that because I was
Speaker 2: so emotional and angry that him. You know, this is
Speaker 2: about being happy, man.
Speaker 3: That's what the misunderstood is about.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: One thing I would I would say about AI is
Speaker 3: if you ever see him out, he's gonna talk to you.
Speaker 3: He's gonna hug you like he's It's funny when people
Speaker 3: say you're from the street or when labeled you a thug.
Speaker 3: I'm like, when you.
Speaker 2: See him out, he's the total opposite.
Speaker 3: He gonna hug you, he gonna ask you how your
Speaker 3: family is right when you used to have a looking
Speaker 3: at it. He gonna kiss you on your forehead, like brother,
Speaker 3: I love you like no, for real, I love you
Speaker 3: and hen and he means it, and he means well
Speaker 3: for all his people. And that's the side I don't
Speaker 3: think people see I love. I was saying something the
Speaker 3: other day. I was like, I was walking down the
Speaker 3: street with Virginia and Charloman was like he was walking
Speaker 3: I was like, I was walking down the street and hey.
Speaker 2: I pulled up and what's up?
Speaker 3: Hop out the car house your family?
Speaker 2: Give me a hug, aful. Yeah, what you're doing tonight?
Speaker 3: You you got you got some of the city eye.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come then text me later on Yo, I'm sleeping.
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna bring it. I'm like, yeah, but that's
Speaker 3: him with everybody, And I'm like, that's the side that.
Speaker 2: People heard, the people's the people's I look at it
Speaker 2: like I look at it like I watch I watch
Speaker 2: people and how they get down, and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 2: I would never you know what I mean? But Teach's on,
Speaker 2: you know, me being me is, you know, the best
Speaker 2: thing in the world of me. Yes, I wanted to
Speaker 2: be like Mike growing up. I wanted to be like Mike. Yes,
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be him. You know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 2: I love being me. Everybody else is taking up anyway,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like I love, I love
Speaker 2: who I am. I never disrespect my God by wanting
Speaker 2: to be something else. I never disrespect him, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? By wanting to be somebody else? I love.
Speaker 2: I didn't win a championship, but I'm the people's champ
Speaker 2: I love you know, people coming to me. Ai what
Speaker 2: you're doing here? I'm in Walmartol, I'm a target on
Speaker 2: the grocery store. You know what I mean. What you're
Speaker 2: doing here? Man? Shocky like you security man? That part
Speaker 2: of my life is I just man, I'm not I'm
Speaker 2: not a thug. I'm not a gangster. You know, hurt
Speaker 2: me for what? You know what I mean? What am
Speaker 2: I scared to just? You know what I mean? Like
Speaker 2: what am I?
Speaker 4: I always say, you're the only player who didn't win
Speaker 4: a ring, who feel like a champion because.
Speaker 1: To us, like cham, I got an ring.
Speaker 2: It's it's crazy that you say that because I'm blessed.
Speaker 2: Look at all of the look at all of the
Speaker 2: other things that He's done for me. When I wake
Speaker 2: up every morning when I say my prayer, because I
Speaker 2: don't do it at night, I do it in the morning.
Speaker 2: I fall asleep and forget watching Saving and Son. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean, all night and I'm gone. But
Speaker 2: when I when I pray, I pray for my family.
Speaker 2: I pray for my friends. You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Keep us healthy, keep us safe, if you know, be sick, curious.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, I never ask him for
Speaker 2: no money. I never ask him for no opportunity. I
Speaker 2: never just I'll handle the rest. Just keep us safe,
Speaker 2: keep us healthy, and I'll go out. I'll come out.
Speaker 2: I'll go out there and open the door and say,
Speaker 2: what's up world, what you got to got to off?
Speaker 2: What's what's going on today? And then navigate through it
Speaker 2: and tackle it? You know what I mean. Like I'm blessed,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So a championship, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. I'm top seventy five all time. Not
Speaker 2: many players played this game, man, millions and millions and millions.
Speaker 2: I would said that I was told that I wasn't
Speaker 2: even I was too small. I couldn't make it. You
Speaker 2: can't make it in this type of game. And you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm a Hall of Famer, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: All start scoring champion, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 2: I'm just not a champion, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not. We came up short to a juggernaut Kobe
Speaker 2: Bryant and Shaquille O'Neill in their prime. You understand, Like
Speaker 2: I'm I'm cool with that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Now I get an opportunity I'm still here. I get
Speaker 2: the root for That's why I want certain people that
Speaker 2: haven't won a championship to win one. I want to
Speaker 2: I want them to feel, you know how, I never
Speaker 2: got the opportunity to feel. So when people talk about
Speaker 2: who you want to win this year, I want to
Speaker 2: see the guys win that haven't done it before. Gotcha,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You would do things that nobody evident.
Speaker 5: If you did, you would go so viral these days.
Speaker 5: You had your mother bring your head at the game.
Speaker 2: I was not my mom, the it was her sister.
Speaker 2: Think it was Mamy.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, So that was just what it wasn't
Speaker 5: no time before I was rushing.
Speaker 2: List. First of all, you already know Jess, and I
Speaker 2: know you might have. You might not have joked about it,
Speaker 2: but you you probably joked about it to your home
Speaker 2: girls or your homeboys or whatever. Because I ain't never
Speaker 2: had my head always been long up here. I ain't
Speaker 2: never had no hang time. I ain't never I mean never,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And you know if you
Speaker 2: don't put rubber bands in my joint, then they would
Speaker 2: come out. So we were actually rushing. I used to.
Speaker 2: I used to get to the game so late, you know,
Speaker 2: because I used to leave so late. With the traffic
Speaker 2: going to the game, I used to always get called
Speaker 2: into it. And then I used to always had to
Speaker 2: ride on thee so playing it was like first quarter
Speaker 2: and I felt, you know, it was coming out. My
Speaker 2: aunt was stands all like yo, she came and.
Speaker 1: Just fix it up.
Speaker 5: I mean it was simple as that that that photo
Speaker 5: is like so loved and cherished now, But when it
Speaker 5: happened at the time, did you feel like people like
Speaker 5: loved and.
Speaker 6: Cherish the moment? And how did you handle how people
Speaker 6: would come for your family because you are such a
Speaker 6: family person.
Speaker 2: Damn, that's a good question. I don't want to say
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't care, but it was like, what
Speaker 2: you're gonna do, Like there's nothing you can you can't
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna change I couldn't change what people think about.
Speaker 2: But this book not gonna change what people think. This documentary.
Speaker 2: Motherfucker don't like you. They don't like you. They hate you.
Speaker 2: They hate you. They don't find some reason, you know,
Speaker 2: they don't find some reason to to not like you.
Speaker 2: That's what you deal with. And it's like I had
Speaker 2: to learn that early, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like like for real, like everybody not gonna love you,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You just concentrate on the
Speaker 2: ones that do. You just appreciate the ones that that
Speaker 2: that like you. You know what I mean. I mean,
Speaker 2: they gonna say crazy shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I heard somebody say Michael Jackson can't sing, you know,
Speaker 2: like I mean, I've heard it. So when when you
Speaker 2: ranking people and you know what i mean, ranking where
Speaker 2: AI stand in this and and and you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, like you're paying attention with the comments and
Speaker 2: what people say, and man, listen, you're gonna be hurt
Speaker 2: for a while. Like the comments even on Instagram, Like
Speaker 2: I posted a picture of my daughter up there, and dude,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the comments for whatever reason, you know
Speaker 2: what i mean, Like I need my ego stroke anymore,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Look at man, fuck that
Speaker 2: a uggly bitch. You know what I'm like. Damn, Like
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I don't do the comments no more,
Speaker 2: fran Son. You know what I'm saying. It's like it's
Speaker 2: like people going, you know, that's what that's what they do.
Speaker 2: Because a lot of a lot of times people we
Speaker 2: talked about that earlier, they wake up and they mad
Speaker 2: at their own life. And you know, that's just that's
Speaker 2: the world we the world we we live in. That's
Speaker 2: the reason I can't be a commentary. Yeah. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: I'm not getting up there talking bad about nobody. Man.
Speaker 2: I just I just that's just not something that because
Speaker 2: if just think about it, if you're an NBA basketball player,
Speaker 2: you never get in the game, everybody think you are
Speaker 2: bum Put them in again, how you get there first
Speaker 2: of all? Right, and then put them on the court,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, with anybody else. Put them
Speaker 2: in the y m c A. Put them on the court,
Speaker 2: on the college court, you know what I mean, high
Speaker 2: school whatever it looked like Michael Jordan out there, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And I just respect everybody that
Speaker 2: made it because I know what I actually went through,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I went through a lot
Speaker 2: to get there, Like I ended up being the first
Speaker 2: pick in the draft, and a couple of years ago
Speaker 2: I was getting released from from jail, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So I don't know, I just I just
Speaker 2: I just respect people that that that want to do
Speaker 2: something and don't let nobody stop them trying to do it.
Speaker 3: Also that I've seen an interview you gave up drinking
Speaker 3: six months ago that point where you said it.
Speaker 2: Was it was I'll be lying if I would say
Speaker 2: it just just stopped the brother. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It was it was situations. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I you know, where is my ship at? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I know I put it here.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It's the same thing having
Speaker 2: certain guys around you. Everybody when when when they your people,
Speaker 2: your people know when you're drunk, y know, just chill man,
Speaker 2: just yeah, somew more glasses. Damn man, Hey, yo, man,
Speaker 2: fucked up right now? Man, God, damn, I need you
Speaker 2: to you know what I'm saying. Man, My this is
Speaker 2: going on. That going on. Man. I need you waited
Speaker 2: till I get this in because let me just talk
Speaker 2: about when I get nice man, will give you the
Speaker 2: shirt up. I went to sleep glass nine twenty five
Speaker 2: thousand on me, you know, but I got twelve hundred.
Speaker 2: What my sniggers, what my man? You gave such and
Speaker 2: such your your your your little sniggers. You gave your sister,
Speaker 2: your your uh your uh, your your first cope. You
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like and I mean, that's
Speaker 2: just that's just small ship compared to the real you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Not feeling well? You know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I mean, I did all this and I
Speaker 2: was having fun last night to wake up feeling like this,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Then my responsibilities you you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. You're missing flights and you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, I mean, just a it's a pluthor
Speaker 2: r of things. Man, you just drinking, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like I sat to evaluate him, like what
Speaker 2: good does it do for me? You understand? Like you
Speaker 2: I mean, you can you can have fun with your
Speaker 2: own boys, your homegirls, you know what I mean, without that,
Speaker 2: And I found out that that's something I you know,
Speaker 2: got to get used to as well, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, because I don't like being around a bunch
Speaker 2: of drunk people. And I ain't like we can't have
Speaker 2: a conversation. Like I'm talking, I'm trying to get you
Speaker 2: to understand something, but I'm talking to somebody drunk. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean. You ain't trying to hear nothing
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. We ain't we All conversations not gonna
Speaker 2: matter until some other time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And so Bron call you right now and he said, hey, man,
Speaker 4: hennersy got this bag.
Speaker 2: God damn by no bag. I've been there and I
Speaker 2: don't had it long. I don't experienced having millions and
Speaker 2: losing like and I'm not talking about I've always been
Speaker 2: a millionaire, you know what I mean. I'ma make millions regardless.
Speaker 2: But for me, once I done hit the pinnacle. You know,
Speaker 2: ten million a year is not enough for me, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it is not enough. Like,
Speaker 2: but at the same time, if I want the lottery,
Speaker 2: if I hit one of them joints that went up
Speaker 2: to a billion or something like that, the last thing
Speaker 2: I would want is for anybody to know, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, man, that's that's the last thing. Like, man,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But like I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say And I talked to God about it.
Speaker 2: I asked them to help me be strong. I ain't
Speaker 2: go to no AA or nothing like that. Like I
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I'm not I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2: And that's what it wasn't. The crazy thing about it
Speaker 2: is I've been with her for fifteen, for thirty five
Speaker 2: years and since I was fifteen. And it's crazy part
Speaker 2: about it is she said when I told her I
Speaker 2: was stopping that after that she prayed on it. And
Speaker 2: she said that was the only time that she ever
Speaker 2: prayed on it. Like I said it plenty times in
Speaker 2: the past, and she said that was the only time
Speaker 2: that she prayed on it. And I was authentic with it.
Speaker 4: Was there ever a time in your life where you
Speaker 4: truly felt like a kid, because because when I read
Speaker 4: your book, it feels like you never got the opportunity there.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well yeah, I remember, Like I like you,
Speaker 2: people talk all the time about, Man, I was it.
Speaker 2: How tough was it? You know, growing up poor? You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like it was the best, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: because everybody around me was it won't like everybody you know,
Speaker 2: it was only until I got to high school and
Speaker 2: I'm wearing like I had two what three pair of
Speaker 2: pants and my and one of was my sister's, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. You know it was, it was
Speaker 2: bad And I'm looking at it's called farmititing you know
Speaker 2: where I'm from, You know what I mean? You see
Speaker 2: the kids on farmiting, they come in their dressed like
Speaker 2: they got the polo and the guests on. And you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I'm like, damn Ja Bows and
Speaker 2: the dudes. It was that was competition for real, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. They come up with the act
Speaker 2: legends and you know what I mean, Like it was,
Speaker 2: it was. It was tough. But you know, before then,
Speaker 2: it was like, man, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: all I wanted, all I wanted growing up was a
Speaker 2: pair of Jordans. That's it. I ain't give a damn
Speaker 2: I go to school. I haven't God, damn pampa on.
Speaker 2: As long as I got you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like it was, it was, it was, It was nothing
Speaker 2: to me. I was a kid, man, I mean, I
Speaker 2: was a guy. I didn't I had the childhood, man,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't have no excuses on anything that
Speaker 2: happened in my life. I don't have no one to blame.
Speaker 2: I don't have I don't, man, I don't. When when
Speaker 2: things don't go right, you know what I mean, When
Speaker 2: when you ask somebody to do something for you, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, they don't do it? How mad
Speaker 2: can you get with them, but I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2: Do it yourself, you know what I mean, or don't
Speaker 2: don't don't put that on them. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like I just I just I concentrate so much, like
Speaker 2: we just you just heard me going about the seventh
Speaker 2: soning like and my my girls say, like, how do
Speaker 2: you watch this every day? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: how do you watch good times every day? Like I love,
Speaker 2: I love my gangster ship like I love you know
Speaker 2: all of that, you know what I mean. But I
Speaker 2: just like to like and I and I. It ain't
Speaker 2: that bad. You ain't you know, obviously dead, that's one thing,
Speaker 2: But you ain't in jail, man. You ain't blind, you
Speaker 2: ain't deaf, you know what I mean. You got all
Speaker 2: your limbs. Like what you complaining about? You know, that's
Speaker 2: the one thing I try to control in my life.
Speaker 2: Just complaining about shit all the time. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like I mean it and it don't it
Speaker 2: don't do no good. I mean for you to do it.
Speaker 4: There's not one excuse in that book. All of this
Speaker 4: is accountability throughout the whole.
Speaker 2: I ain't making none, man. And then because that's the
Speaker 2: easy way for somebody to look up to Alan Norblinson
Speaker 2: have to have a cop out, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: easy way, you know what I mean, complaining about something,
Speaker 2: man do it. And I hate when people think that
Speaker 2: like that it's arrogant and that's cow. I've always been confident.
Speaker 2: I ain't. I mean, I've never been arrogant. I've never
Speaker 2: been cocky, just confident, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: the one thing about like just just people just it
Speaker 2: bothered me that you don't think that this is your world,
Speaker 2: This is your world. It don't mean you're not being arrogant,
Speaker 2: You're not being selfish thinking, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like you're the only one that matter in the world,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But it's yours. This is
Speaker 2: your life. Everything happens, you know, you the one you
Speaker 2: ain't going nowhere. You might see everybody go before you,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's gonna hurt when people
Speaker 2: go or whatever. But this is this is the one
Speaker 2: shot that you got, you know what I mean, to
Speaker 2: be happy to make these decisions and live with them,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You concentrate on making mistakes
Speaker 2: and hopefully you don't make the same mistake twice and
Speaker 2: and live your live your life. Man, you got one
Speaker 2: shot at this. Man. Ain't nothing wrong with being you, Man,
Speaker 2: Ain't nothing wrong with it. Man, you can't be everybody else.
Speaker 2: You can't. You know what I mean. You can't worry
Speaker 2: about worry about what you can control. Man, You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like I want some money. I want
Speaker 2: to be the richest man in the world. I want
Speaker 2: all the money. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yes, you know how you missed that on some money?
Speaker 4: Not registering AI how much time with.
Speaker 2: I got? I got the real guy? But register the sleeve,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like like like if I
Speaker 2: get that copy written, like the sleeve, man, everybody with man,
Speaker 2: people playing golf wearing the sleep. I seen R Kelly
Speaker 2: had sleeve on. So what Kelly fell off the stage?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? The man got a sleeve
Speaker 2: on in the video, yo, Man, like du like the
Speaker 2: Steve is it's part of people, Like it's this it's
Speaker 2: a swag. I'm wearing it. Like the whole reason I'm
Speaker 2: wearing it because I'm hurt, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like it's a it's a it's a it's a lot
Speaker 2: of opportunities that that were there that I passed up on.
Speaker 2: But like I don't look at it like that. I
Speaker 2: think now what like now where you're going at? Now?
Speaker 2: What you're gonna do? You know what I mean? Like
Speaker 2: every time God opened my eyes, I'm just you know,
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think positive. But life be life.
Speaker 2: Like you know, you get a phone call, you know, hey, man,
Speaker 2: like like, yo, I need you to do this. Bro,
Speaker 2: you're asking me for this, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Thousands of dollars. Christmas is a couple of days away.
Speaker 2: Like why you ain't ask me this? You know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Man, I'm asking you. You know, can you
Speaker 2: do that? All right? I'm gonna do it for you,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I ain't saying you know,
Speaker 2: and all the people that I'm talking about, they certain
Speaker 2: people are not gonna get upset because they know I'm
Speaker 2: not talking about it, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 2: you know, like like dude, you know I say, Yo,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it. I take care of that, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. You're my man, I take care
Speaker 2: of that. You know what I mean. I said, But
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it with my card, put it on
Speaker 2: my car, so send me the information. Don't like that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it on my car. Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I need cash, man, I need cash. What was doing Megas?
Speaker 2: It's gonna be taken care of Vegas.
Speaker 1: Can't be choosing it didn't take care difference than it's
Speaker 1: a lie.
Speaker 2: Then I got called a clown and no, yeah, crazy,
Speaker 2: like I'm talking about I've been and I've been. This
Speaker 2: dude was my homeboy since I was like thirty. I
Speaker 2: mean like it's been thirty thirty eight years man, and
Speaker 2: been homeboys.
Speaker 1: You went above and beyond my brother, because anybody.
Speaker 5: Ever tried to like come to you and say, look,
Speaker 5: look my bad. I was tripping like back then. I
Speaker 5: kept asking and acting and accent and you were doing
Speaker 5: and I just I took advantage for you as anybody
Speaker 5: ever come to you to take accountability one person.
Speaker 2: You are incredible because it just happened. It just happened.
Speaker 2: And my man was telling me that the same thing
Speaker 2: you just said. He told my man that my man
Speaker 2: told me and it was like went on death is
Speaker 2: And I was like, man, yes, I heard him say
Speaker 2: that before. And he keep doing it. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like you keep doing it? You know what
Speaker 2: I mean, like the hardest, the hardest part, Like the
Speaker 2: hardest part is when it's a homeboy or homegirl and
Speaker 2: you want to cut them off because of how they
Speaker 2: treat you, not because of how you treat them. You know,
Speaker 2: they think you're treating bad, treating them bad because you
Speaker 2: implemented that word no in your vocabulary. But the hardest
Speaker 2: thing is when it's somebody that you love. The hardest
Speaker 2: thing is questioning yourself, like, damn, am I wrong for this?
Speaker 2: Am I going too far? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like you always try to look at yourself and feel
Speaker 2: like if you could have did something wrong, I mean,
Speaker 2: if you I'm sorry, if you could have did something right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Not wrong boundaries?
Speaker 6: My brother, I got a question for you. You talked
Speaker 6: about your wife to wanna praying over. You decided not
Speaker 6: to drink anymore as a husband. What have you discovered now?
Speaker 2: Boyfriend?
Speaker 6: Boyfriend?
Speaker 4: I mean, we got divorce, so you married the boys
Speaker 4: and y'all got right back together like six months later
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to do I want this point
Speaker 2: to be made because you think I'm who I am
Speaker 2: and I was out of control. I was out of control.
Speaker 2: And this threat was there for years, for years and
Speaker 2: years and years and years and years, and it's like
Speaker 2: the boy cried wolf, like whatever, I heard that before,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then it was like
Speaker 2: she got to the point where like, yo, I gotta
Speaker 2: show this motherfucker. I gotta do something to show him
Speaker 2: I'm serious. And that's what happened. You in that courtroom
Speaker 2: and you're looking over there and you see number one
Speaker 2: right there, and you're looking down at that paper and
Speaker 2: them tears hitting that that page and they don't say,
Speaker 2: you know, I've been Georgetown versus Georgetown and it's been
Speaker 2: a scrimmage or six's versus sixes, and you're looking at
Speaker 2: the stat sheet whatever, I'm looking at Iverson versus Iverson,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And like, yo, shit is real,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, and did you wear suit? Look?
Speaker 2: I really was defiant then, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like you got me in here, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I had a judge and judge was vicious, like
Speaker 2: I couldn't do nothing right.
Speaker 6: Even in that moment you were defined. Yeah, I'm no, no,
Speaker 6: it is your interview. I was just gonna say, even
Speaker 6: in that moment, you were defined, and I guess upset
Speaker 6: even though you knew, because you said you knew you
Speaker 6: were out of control. But so like in that moment,
Speaker 6: why are you defining upset if she's just doing what
Speaker 6: she thinks is going to help, I guess, to get
Speaker 6: you to a better spot for her.
Speaker 2: I was selfishly thinking about my demid because I know
Speaker 2: in my heart and in my mind that I can't
Speaker 2: live with our You know what I'm saying, like I
Speaker 2: know it, like I know it. I took, I took
Speaker 2: her love for me for granted, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like as far as she loving me so much that
Speaker 2: I felt, like you know that she would never she
Speaker 2: would never go go nowhere like this is all I've known.
Speaker 2: This is the only love that I've ever known, as
Speaker 2: far as like, I've never loved someone like this in
Speaker 2: my life, you know what I mean? Then, a lot
Speaker 2: of times, you know, all women would say, or even guys,
Speaker 2: you know, anybody that's you know, logical about anything, how
Speaker 2: you love her so much and you do the things?
Speaker 2: And I don't have an answer.
Speaker 1: We never do though, as men, we never do. We
Speaker 1: don't know why we do the dumb.
Speaker 6: Shit we do so how has not drinking and you know,
Speaker 6: it seems like you're, you know, your focus is different
Speaker 6: in this time of your life. How has that made
Speaker 6: you go As we discover each other in a relationship.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm I'm I'm uh, I'm Claire Huxtable. I'm
Speaker 2: in Cliff. I'm Cliff Huxortable. Now like i'm I'm I'm
Speaker 2: I kind of get a feeling like I'm the guy
Speaker 2: like I felt always felt like, you know, I was
Speaker 2: the guy she always wanted you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: wanted to be, you know, wanted me to be. But
Speaker 2: I really feel like that guy now, Like I feel
Speaker 2: like it's not the Huxtables around there obviously, but like
Speaker 2: she loved you know this me, you know, because you
Speaker 2: always getting this me. It's hard to take advantage of
Speaker 2: somebody that can see ship clear as hell, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, opposed to being nonchalant about everything, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it's you know, my homeboys
Speaker 2: says a different Chuck. Now, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I see, I see what's going on, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. All stuff that I used to, you know,
Speaker 2: not pay attention to, I'm paying attention to it now.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, And I just think, you know,
Speaker 2: by me making this decision, it's so much better for
Speaker 2: not just myself, everybody around me. I can help better.
Speaker 2: My advice is better, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 2: I'm a better friend now, I'm a better family member.
Speaker 2: You know this shit is clear, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like I promise you I'm the smartest man in the
Speaker 2: world because I know him not you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: I know him not like, but I know how if
Speaker 2: it's a certain feel of you know how we need
Speaker 2: some help, help, and you know what I mean, opposed
Speaker 2: to just just doing it all way and thinking we know, no, man,
Speaker 2: we gotta go to we gotta go to this person,
Speaker 2: We gotta go to that person. We gotta do it
Speaker 2: this way, we gotta do it that way, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Put your ego aside. Man, We're trying
Speaker 2: to get it done. We need to get it done.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna get it done right. And it's just
Speaker 2: an everlution of me. It took long, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, But I just think about it, like, Yo,
Speaker 2: you embarrassed. You know, first, it was embarrassing that you know,
Speaker 2: talking about that seen the ship went viral yesterday and
Speaker 2: you embarrassed, you know, with the whole thing. But it's like, damn, bro,
Speaker 2: that's another thing that you know, by you being you
Speaker 2: and being comfortable in your own skin, it's gonna help
Speaker 2: somebody else. Somebody might make that decision.
Speaker 1: Right somebody's trying to be sober right now.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying that whatever time, because I
Speaker 4: didn't get it from the book where anybody recommended therapy
Speaker 4: to you, because it was clear you was my girl.
Speaker 1: Okay, like you need some help, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You don't remember what was? Are you coming to a
Speaker 2: get up that ship? You said last month?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Just starting ship, you know what I mean? And then
Speaker 2: she used to be like you ran you running around
Speaker 2: with all these dudes all day long and y'all drinking
Speaker 2: and have a ball, and you come in here fucking
Speaker 2: with me. I'm talking about where your piece is at? Man,
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, because you going but women
Speaker 2: know you leave that house. Man, we tackling the world
Speaker 2: like you. It's going down. It's hard for me, like
Speaker 2: I said, to go to the grocery store, to go
Speaker 2: to Target, Walmart. I gotta be all and irvus and
Speaker 2: every day I walk in the house, and one thing
Speaker 2: about it, everybody, everybody out there, if you think about it,
Speaker 2: somebody gonna see you and feel like this is the
Speaker 2: last opportunity that I'm ever gonna get to see him
Speaker 2: and this is my moment. That's what you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? When they see oh shit, it's like and
Speaker 2: then you you somewhere and you're paying for something, and
Speaker 2: then you finish and you turn around and you see
Speaker 2: so many people. You see cameras and then you see
Speaker 2: and they do the ship sho like like getting ready
Speaker 2: to jump rope. You see everybody, like everybody everybody time,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And it's like it's like
Speaker 2: it's like, bro, you want to be you want to
Speaker 2: like you wanna it's so much you go out when
Speaker 2: you come in the crib man to be you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like fall on, you know, on the
Speaker 2: couch and and and you have made it through the storm,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Because like my fans, like
Speaker 2: they they got real love man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But some of them, when you can you can distinguish
Speaker 2: a fan, a truth fan, and just somebody that you know,
Speaker 2: give a damn about how nice you was on the court,
Speaker 2: because a truth fan, give a fuck about you. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like you feed them feeding my daughter?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I'm in the restaurant and
Speaker 2: stick a piece of paper and paying them. Sign this
Speaker 2: right here, Ai, you know what I mean. Hold on baby,
Speaker 2: let me and this and I you know I love women,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean to death. I love all
Speaker 2: my fans, but women fans are they don't like taking no.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Dude, tell you know all
Speaker 2: the time. But me somebody you don't know, tell you
Speaker 2: know you go crazy in a minute. I'm feeding my
Speaker 2: daughter right now. Now, Well fuck you there in Ai.
Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant better than you anyway. Tell me I'm gonna
Speaker 2: burn these shoes I bought. I brought your shoes. I
Speaker 2: bought your jersey. I'm like, I ain't say no. I
Speaker 2: just said, let me finish my daughter, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Like it's it's it's just it's crazy. I
Speaker 2: remember I was at David Buses with the kids. I'm
Speaker 2: on the phone talking to my mom and a lady
Speaker 2: walked up to me and she was like, hey, let
Speaker 2: me talk to you iself. Hold on, man, I'm talking
Speaker 2: to my mom on the phone right now. What's your
Speaker 2: mom more important than your fans? Yeah? I was like yo,
Speaker 2: I was like yo, I was looking let me just
Speaker 2: get away from you. You know what I mean. But
Speaker 2: that's like, you know, all in the nutshell man being
Speaker 2: a celebrity. Man, you say that because people think about
Speaker 2: the money and the fame and the talent or whatever.
Speaker 2: Man you say you want this life and whatever. Man,
Speaker 2: you really man, A lot of people, if they would meet,
Speaker 2: would have been jumped off a building and put a
Speaker 2: pistol to their head and blew it off.
Speaker 5: By Now, that's the crazy thing. Little John said that
Speaker 5: same thing when we had him. He said, you gotta
Speaker 5: be built, you gotta have tough skin. This is not
Speaker 5: an easy industry to be in. But your influence was
Speaker 5: crazy because I'm telling you, Allen evinceins, I was getting
Speaker 5: them and I was getting bitches and I wasn't even gay.
Speaker 2: In middle school.
Speaker 5: I would come get my hand braided. And that's good,
Speaker 5: you told me hand on hang time. I didn't either,
Speaker 5: put the bitches ain't no, because I had the absence.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so your time in Philly, right, I mean influencing
Speaker 6: impacts and everything you did. But Philly embraced you so
Speaker 6: much and the person you aren't meeting you I get
Speaker 6: it now, but you know, Philly don't embrace everybody. What
Speaker 6: was your time like there? Just in like what were
Speaker 6: you doing? I guess to lean into that or like
Speaker 6: I don't know, like did you feel the okay? They
Speaker 6: love me here like when you walk out onto the
Speaker 6: streets and not at first because people, you know, Philly
Speaker 6: is tough.
Speaker 2: The toughest and they called it his brotherly love. That's
Speaker 2: about it. My relationship, not in the beginning, but I
Speaker 2: think I have I would I would say Michael Jordan
Speaker 2: and uh Chicago, Steph and a state who else you
Speaker 2: know said the Bay Area now probably Shay in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2: I think I have the best relationship with a fan base,
Speaker 2: I think in sports history, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like that's that's crazy. And Kobel Kobe, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. They watched me grow up. I was twenty
Speaker 2: one years old when I got there, Like they watched me,
Speaker 2: you know, go through my ups and downs. But I
Speaker 2: played every game like it was my last. And if
Speaker 2: you know Philadelphia, that's all they really want like I could.
Speaker 2: I was telling Steve yesterday, like I could be out there,
Speaker 2: I can go oh for Winfrey from the field, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But they knew that AI played
Speaker 2: as hard as he could, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I could look in the mirror after the game every
Speaker 2: game I played, hurt, sick, whatever, and look at the mirror,
Speaker 2: and I know I felt bad, you know, I felt good.
Speaker 2: I upset about not playing well, but I knew that
Speaker 2: I played that game like it was my last. People
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia love that, and all relationship has been that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Since I've been retired with
Speaker 2: fifteen years now, and the relationship is still the same.
Speaker 2: You walk in the building, it's the same feeling. And
Speaker 2: then the people in Philadelphia are used to me outside
Speaker 2: of being in that arena, barbershops and everywhere. Applebee's. Well,
Speaker 2: I was a.
Speaker 6: Little younger, so I came a little bit after.
Speaker 2: You weren't there.
Speaker 6: Weren't in Fridays when I was there. But yeah, Club
Speaker 6: Fridays was a thing.
Speaker 2: It became the third largest Fridays in the country, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it was really a club,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Line, they started checking out
Speaker 2: ideas you had to get you had to have reservations
Speaker 2: and you know what I mean, Like it was it
Speaker 2: was crazy, you know what I mean. Philly. I love Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: I mean I love it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But it's just just like Virginia. I can't never like
Speaker 2: live there, you know what I mean. Like when I retired,
Speaker 2: I went to Florida, like trying to get away from everything.
Speaker 2: Then it's just meet her and the kids and no family,
Speaker 2: no friends, like nah, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: I moved in Charlotte. It's close to Virginia, but you know,
Speaker 2: I can never go live there again. But people have
Speaker 2: worried of me the damn death, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like we're close. My mom could drive or our flight.
Speaker 1: Right it saying you gotta wrap I do.
Speaker 4: Got one last question, man, you changed the entire culture
Speaker 4: of basketball, but to me, you change black culture. You
Speaker 4: also change hip hop culture from your fashion to your
Speaker 4: attitude to just your authenticity.
Speaker 1: When you see how the NBA in the.
Speaker 4: World embraces individuality, Now, do you feel celebrated or do
Speaker 4: you still feel misunderstood?
Speaker 2: Nah, it's I get the opportunity, Like this is opportunity
Speaker 2: for me, you know what I mean, Like all of
Speaker 2: those years you wanted to you know, you wanted this.
Speaker 2: Oh man, you got me wrong, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Talk about it to your family and your friends. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm misunderstood. Man, they don't They ain't getting it, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It ain't like that. And then
Speaker 2: this platform and then all the other big platforms, you know,
Speaker 2: just you guys giving me an opportunity to come up
Speaker 2: here and ask me shit that I want to answer
Speaker 2: that that I want the world to know, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. I want them to know that it
Speaker 2: ain't like that. It's like this, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Then you're hearing it from someone else, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, someone else telling who Alan Iverson is. Then
Speaker 2: just to have the opportunity to do it in the
Speaker 2: excitement about it is the long wait because now I
Speaker 2: finally get a chance to Man, you was wrong. You
Speaker 2: had me fucked up like that ain't what it is,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And going through your career,
Speaker 2: you can't explain to everybody every situation it don't, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And this book took years, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. The documentary took years to do
Speaker 2: and man, I just I'm just happy that I get
Speaker 2: an opportunity to to tell my story or write my
Speaker 2: story and and help and help and help somebody, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Just like you know Michael Jordan
Speaker 2: did for me, you know what I mean, Like he
Speaker 2: If it wasn't for no Michael Jordan, it would not
Speaker 2: be the Allen Iverson and everybody in the world. Know, Like,
Speaker 2: I literally like he gave me the vision. Man Like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I want to be like him, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. That's who I want to be. Him
Speaker 2: and Michael Michael Jackson. I want all the dudes to
Speaker 2: love me, you know what I mean. I want all
Speaker 2: the girls to love me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I want to put that in one you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And I want to be you know, uh,
Speaker 2: not just a basketball player, but just big all the way.
Speaker 2: And I didn't I didn't get this vision until until
Speaker 2: I started to take care of what I had to
Speaker 2: do on the basketball court and then becoming a cultural icon,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Okay, all these rappers, all
Speaker 2: these people in the world that want to just express
Speaker 2: themselves the way they want to express themselves. Now they
Speaker 2: get an opportunity. Man, he can do it. Man, Ain't
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with what I'm doing, regardless of high look.
Speaker 2: Regardless high look. Everybody talk about that that runway walking
Speaker 2: into the game. I'm watching it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I don't like everything up there, but I just love
Speaker 2: their confidence of walking in there, like, yeah, I'm doing
Speaker 2: it today, you know what I mean, And like just
Speaker 2: my story. All I want is for people to get
Speaker 2: out of it. Man, It's all right to be you.
Speaker 2: It's all right, you know what I mean. It's things
Speaker 2: that's gonna happen in your life and it's gonna be tough,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But that's when you're gonna
Speaker 2: lean on number one. You're gonna lean on him, gonna
Speaker 2: lean on God. You don't. You don't ask them, uh
Speaker 2: any you don't question him at all, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Whatever happened happened, I ain't. My grandma told
Speaker 2: me when I went to jail, that bowling alley thing.
Speaker 2: I said, Now, why are they doing this to me?
Speaker 2: If they know I didn't do what they said? I
Speaker 2: did question, never questioned God, and I've never done it
Speaker 2: since then, you know what I mean? Whatever he do?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I'm cool with it, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. He driving this car and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna just sitting there, ride shotgun wherever he take me.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm going, and I'm gonna live with the results.
Speaker 2: So that's that's the only thing I want. I just think, man, live, man, laugh,
Speaker 2: love man. We love you brother, you out right now.
Speaker 2: I got God.
Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3: Good morning, every day, up waking.
Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club. You're finished for yar dumb