Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. You've
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Speaker 1: I guess Hey, my name is Matt. I'm on the show.
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure why I'm leaving this voice message,
Speaker 1: but I just want you guys to know. I really
Speaker 1: like the other two people on the show a lot um.
Speaker 1: The one who's talking right now is not that great,
Speaker 1: but you know, overall the show I love to listen, Matt,
Speaker 1: I disagree with you entirely. Uh As Noah, one of
Speaker 1: the guys you just mentioned, you're the You're the greatest
Speaker 1: one of the bunch. Wait, how did you get on
Speaker 1: this voicemail? It's a party line. This whole episode is
Speaker 1: one long voicemail. Uh. They called me Ben. We're joined
Speaker 1: with our super producer Paul Decon. Most importantly, you are
Speaker 1: still you. You are here that makes this stuff they
Speaker 1: don't want you to know. On the party line episode right,
Speaker 1: and you've heard us talk longtime listeners about our call
Speaker 1: in line on previous episodes, but we've never actually played
Speaker 1: any of the voicemails that we have received until that
Speaker 1: is today and in the weird meta setup that we
Speaker 1: just created. Fair this is one of the first voicemails
Speaker 1: you're hearing uh to to you from us. I imagine
Speaker 1: in fact, when we first started the number peek behind
Speaker 1: the curtain here, we were originally concerned that we might
Speaker 1: not get that many of your fellow listeners involved. So
Speaker 1: just imagine our surprise recently when we checked this and
Speaker 1: discovered we had well over a hundred voicemails and Matt,
Speaker 1: huge thank you to you for assembling these all in
Speaker 1: one place, listening through to everyone and giving some some
Speaker 1: at times hilarious descriptions. Have a file name. Well, there
Speaker 1: are some hilarious people that call in and some gosh,
Speaker 1: some people that have knowledge that I just can't understand,
Speaker 1: the unfathomable knowledge They've got personal experience and a lot
Speaker 1: of the things we've discussed before. Other people are just
Speaker 1: really really sweet. But there is and there are a
Speaker 1: few creeps there. At least one they ran the gamut.
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say, but somebody I just
Speaker 1: have to give a shout out to Johnny Planet, who
Speaker 1: if you go through. I don't know if he's included
Speaker 1: in this episode. I don't think he is, um, but
Speaker 1: Johnny Planet has called in at least twelve times. I
Speaker 1: want to say the twelve might be overshooting a little
Speaker 1: bit um, but man, he just really really has some
Speaker 1: cool and interesting experience. Is throughout the worlds of psychedelic
Speaker 1: drugs at a certain time in his life, other substances
Speaker 1: at a time in his life, and lots and loss
Speaker 1: of surfing. So it was a bit of a psychoknot Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a fascinating dude, Johnny Planet JP. That name is
Speaker 1: up there with Dr buzz Rendezvous for sure. For sure,
Speaker 1: I feel like they should hang out a where with
Speaker 1: the Doctor Rendezvous. Dr buzz Rendezvous. Doctor Rendezvous was the
Speaker 1: nickname for buzz Aldrin. It was a whole thing about this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, buzz like buzz Aldrin from the from the
Speaker 1: discussion we had about buzz Aldrin. Yeah, from the earlier episode.
Speaker 1: Oh I learned. I don't want to derailist too much,
Speaker 1: but I learned a cool buzz Aldrin fact just while
Speaker 1: we're here. Do you know how much extra he got
Speaker 1: paid to travel to the Moon as in like expenses
Speaker 1: or some kind of you saw this too, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he made a grand total of an extra thirty three
Speaker 1: dollars and thirty one sets on top of his regular pay,
Speaker 1: and it was all in freeze dried ice cream. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: freeze dried freeze dried ice cream and Moon dollars, which,
Speaker 1: unfortunately for Doctor Rendezvous turn out not to be a
Speaker 1: Earth currency, but they are delicious as they are made
Speaker 1: of Swiss cheese. Yes, yes, these are the facts behind
Speaker 1: moon dollars, and the fact behind this show is that
Speaker 1: we want to thank everyone who has called in so far.
Speaker 1: In a surprising relief to our super producer Paul, we
Speaker 1: have collectively decided not to play every single one of
Speaker 1: the one plus messages in today's episode. However, we are
Speaker 1: going to play some of the messages, ones that inspired us,
Speaker 1: intrigued us, gave us a chuckle, maybe a shiver, and
Speaker 1: will be surprising each other a little bit along the
Speaker 1: way here. So, if you've left us a message, scoot
Speaker 1: to the edge of your seat you might just be
Speaker 1: on the air with us today. If you have not, however,
Speaker 1: left us a message, don't delay. Drop us a line
Speaker 1: we do listen to which one you can take a
Speaker 1: cue from your fellow conspiracy realist and reach us directly
Speaker 1: at one eight three three T d w y t K.
Speaker 1: You guys always do that, and I never can join you.
Speaker 1: You can join anytime I feel left out. Again, we
Speaker 1: have to point this out. Do not call one eight
Speaker 1: hundred s T d w y t K. Was that one?
Speaker 1: What nine? Well, if you call that, you apparently, according
Speaker 1: to this caller, you get this. Hi, this is Christine
Speaker 1: calling from West Virginia. Did you know that if you
Speaker 1: dial one eight hundred eight three three seven eight three five,
Speaker 1: do you get an offer for a Caribbean crewse I
Speaker 1: just thought you might want to know that by yeah,
Speaker 1: conspiracy cruise. Maybe that is a real thing, the conspiracy cruise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had an offer to go on in a while back.
Speaker 1: But honestly that number could be fishing of some sort.
Speaker 1: So don't don't call that number and give anyone any information.
Speaker 1: We are not affiliated with that. We are one eight
Speaker 1: three three seven eight three. But information is power, right,
Speaker 1: that's right. So no word yet on what the nine
Speaker 1: number leads to. If you are filling adventuress, that's the
Speaker 1: real party. Line. Give it a shot, but don't be
Speaker 1: very hesitant to give your credit card information ever over
Speaker 1: the phone. So we found so many cool voicemails. Matt,
Speaker 1: since you took the backbreaking time, I'm imagining to set
Speaker 1: all these up. Do you do you want to do
Speaker 1: the honors and kick it off absolutely. Our first message
Speaker 1: comes to us from Michael. Gentlemen, my name is Michael.
Speaker 1: I am from Sydney, Australia. I'm a big fan of
Speaker 1: the show. I have something that you might find interesting
Speaker 1: to do some research into. It's a little place in
Speaker 1: Australia called Pine Gap. It is actually the property of
Speaker 1: the United States, is one of the and I of States,
Speaker 1: the largest c I A listing huss in the world.
Speaker 1: And there's always been a rumor that an Australian Prime
Speaker 1: minister was brought down for thinking about removing Pine Gap
Speaker 1: from Australia. Might be worthwhile you guys taking a look
Speaker 1: at it, and it would be great to hear that
Speaker 1: as a show. Well. Well, well, Michael keeping an eye
Speaker 1: on the watchers, are you? Yeah? We really appreciate this
Speaker 1: one because it is absolutely correct and it's something maybe
Speaker 1: a lot of folks here in the US don't know.
Speaker 1: Pine Gap is a genuine thing. In fact, there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of news regarding Pine Gap. There is a
Speaker 1: spy thriller about the base or set in the base,
Speaker 1: that is coming out very soon. I'm not sure when
Speaker 1: it's going to reach the States. Oh my gosh, what
Speaker 1: is it? An Australian production. Yeah, it's called Pine Gap.
Speaker 1: That's perfect, Okay, So let's get into what this is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what is it's like? It looks from the look
Speaker 1: of it, it looks like Epcot Center, a bunch of giant,
Speaker 1: kind of hexagonal golf ball looking things, just like the networks,
Speaker 1: the other Five Eyes networks in the UK alities and
Speaker 1: what I think it's code named Project Rainfall. You haven't
Speaker 1: called that there? Well, that was part of the Snowden revelations,
Speaker 1: that the Rainfall name there and everything. But it's officially
Speaker 1: called the Joint Defense Facility Pine Gap or the j
Speaker 1: d FPG. And it has a really weird town next
Speaker 1: to it, right, Alice Springs is a small town close
Speaker 1: to the base, and a ton of experts who work
Speaker 1: at Pine Gap live there, at least I think as
Speaker 1: a two thousand and sixteen According to the New York
Speaker 1: times at least nine of those residents were Americans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of got this oak Ridge vibe or
Speaker 1: the what was the name of that town that we
Speaker 1: encountered when we were in the like the zone of
Speaker 1: radio like lack of complete lack of radio frequencies, radio
Speaker 1: waves of any kind. Yeah, I think it's just called
Speaker 1: the zone of silence right now, the National Radio Quiet Zone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Zone of Silence sounds much more sinister, but yeah, very similar, right,
Speaker 1: And what do they do from from this this listening station?
Speaker 1: They also not only do they monitor incoming um surveillance,
Speaker 1: they also control spy satellites, right, yeah, Yeah, the place
Speaker 1: is fascinating. The facility can you might even go to
Speaker 1: the history of the facility. So in nineteen sixty six,
Speaker 1: there was this idea that there needs to be a
Speaker 1: some kind of space research facility that's going to be
Speaker 1: used by multiple people. So the Australian government as well
Speaker 1: as the United States government, and because of some of
Speaker 1: the locations in Australia that are somewhat isolated, they chose
Speaker 1: this area in Pine Gap and then in nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: they started like operating this big facility and it's grown
Speaker 1: over the years. And uh, and like you're saying, well,
Speaker 1: it's usage has kind of changed over the years, but
Speaker 1: it's always had some kind of control by the c
Speaker 1: i A, the n s A National Security Agency, and
Speaker 1: the National Reconnaissance Office that's the n r O, and
Speaker 1: it's officially part of the that echelon program that we've
Speaker 1: talked about before in the past. Yeah, and it makes
Speaker 1: you wonder what you would have to do bureaucratically speaking,
Speaker 1: to be able to visit the base in person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the installation, I should say, or at least get an
Speaker 1: understanding of what's being collected. Well, a big thing that's
Speaker 1: collected is something called geolocational intelligence, which I believe has
Speaker 1: to do with coordinating air strikes and helping to pinpoint
Speaker 1: with great precision locations and triangulating data so that you
Speaker 1: can actually strike with a very high level of accuracy. Also,
Speaker 1: on a lighter, more inspiring note, this same technology can
Speaker 1: be used to find down to planes theoretically because it
Speaker 1: is so precise. Well, that's nice. That's at least one. Um,
Speaker 1: So let's just we're not gonna get too deep into
Speaker 1: this right now, because I think this is probably everything.
Speaker 1: I agreed I'm so glad you said that. We've we've
Speaker 1: talked about men with Hill before in England, which is
Speaker 1: another facility such as this, and just to get in
Speaker 1: this really quickly. According to the intercept, there are two
Speaker 1: primary missions for this this command post, at least in
Speaker 1: the recent years, and it's crazy. One is called M
Speaker 1: seven six and UH and that's the whole spy satellites
Speaker 1: thing where it's it's actually uh providing continuous coverage of
Speaker 1: the majority of the Eurasian in mass in Africa, which
Speaker 1: is you know a thing looking at continuous coverages in
Speaker 1: twenty four our surveillance. Yeah. Yeah, it's unlimited data. It's
Speaker 1: exactly unlimited. It don't stop. Then this was later upgraded again,
Speaker 1: according to the intercept, um as part of the second mission,
Speaker 1: which is M eight three hundred it's probably M A
Speaker 1: d U and it involved for satellite a for satellite
Speaker 1: constellation that covered the former Soviet Union, China, South Asia,
Speaker 1: East Asia, the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and territories in
Speaker 1: the Atlantic Ocean. All the hits, all the good stuff,
Speaker 1: all the good ones. Wow, that's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: That's also Dennis Reynolds quote. So we would yeah, We
Speaker 1: would absolutely love to do an episode on this. Maybe
Speaker 1: we can do it as part of a live show
Speaker 1: in Australia one day, right, or maybe in New York
Speaker 1: and Boston and Phil. Yes, yes, yes, that's true. So
Speaker 1: let's let's hold that and thank you Michael for taking
Speaker 1: the time to call. Uh. We have another call, I
Speaker 1: think and this is one that you found right now. Well, yes,
Speaker 1: Bennett is indeed, let's roll the tape. Hey guys, it's
Speaker 1: the least hurt. Just listen to the show. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for the shout out. UM a big fan. UM.
Speaker 1: I wanted to follow up on one of the all
Speaker 1: of Us projects posts UM that I posted the Facebook group,
Speaker 1: but on twenty three and Me and the possibility of
Speaker 1: geno and targeted ads that y'all mentioned in an earlier
Speaker 1: podcast of this week. I believe so in Mojitski started
Speaker 1: twenty three and Me and two thousand and six and
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, Modjitski and Google founder co founder
Speaker 1: Sergei Brynn got married. However, that same year, in two
Speaker 1: thousand seven, Google invested three point seven million dollars in
Speaker 1: twenty three and Me. So my big question is without
Speaker 1: you know, trying to be care not to slander. Is
Speaker 1: what is the possibility that these two have had a
Speaker 1: greater plot between the two companies from three and these
Speaker 1: conception because you know people that I generally know is
Speaker 1: that people usually know each other for at least one
Speaker 1: year before they get married. UM, So two thousand six,
Speaker 1: the company started, two thousand seven, they get married two
Speaker 1: thousand seven. Google invests you want to talk about data
Speaker 1: and UM targeted ads? I mean, what a better partner
Speaker 1: except for baby Facebook up until recently, UM to pair
Speaker 1: up with. So let me know what y'all think. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much, guys. By Yeah, this has been a hot
Speaker 1: topic for us lately, I think in a couple of
Speaker 1: different directions, because we've done stuff on targeted ads. We've
Speaker 1: done stuff on the Golden State killer for example. And
Speaker 1: how this these DNA databases that are being created kind
Speaker 1: of without the full knowledge of the participants, right. And
Speaker 1: I think I've said before that as part of another
Speaker 1: show I worked on, I spit in one of those vials,
Speaker 1: not for twenty three and me, but for Ancestry and
Speaker 1: of only I just kind of started realizing the ramifications
Speaker 1: of what I might have done UM in terms of like,
Speaker 1: not that I have anything to hide, but what if
Speaker 1: what if one day my SPIT ends up in a
Speaker 1: database and there's some connection to a pre existing condition
Speaker 1: or a family um genetic marker that might lead me
Speaker 1: to be declined from being ensured. I mean, these are
Speaker 1: like new territories that are as a result of this technology.
Speaker 1: And then the way people are just giving it away,
Speaker 1: and what twenty three and me is doing with the information,
Speaker 1: which is what uh yeah, they are obsessively hoarding it.
Speaker 1: They're also sharing it with law enforcement agencies. We got
Speaker 1: a lot of feedback on this when we did the
Speaker 1: update on the Golden State killer. But we should also
Speaker 1: emphasize this. You don't have to join twenty three and me.
Speaker 1: You just have to be related to someone who got
Speaker 1: arrested or was ever in the military. And we say
Speaker 1: related even distantly. It works. And the concern is that
Speaker 1: that there are not very good laws on how this
Speaker 1: information is used and how much you were allowed to
Speaker 1: know about how it's being used. Right, So, the scary
Speaker 1: and most plausible examples so far is the insurance, the
Speaker 1: privatized insurance thing that that you had just been alluding to. Right,
Speaker 1: the idea that your children before they're born could be
Speaker 1: treated as if they have a pre existing condition due
Speaker 1: to a medical test that they did not consent to.
Speaker 1: And that is not even what we're talking about. We're
Speaker 1: talking more about the relationship between and Wajiski and Sergey
Speaker 1: Brand of Google and would just keep being the CEO
Speaker 1: and founder of twenty three and me um both super young,
Speaker 1: super rich, super influential people in the tech world. Um.
Speaker 1: As we know, Google has its hands in everything from
Speaker 1: like mapping satellites to you know, committing every book on
Speaker 1: the plan it to a digital document of some kind,
Speaker 1: to obviously first and foremost revolutionizing search, and all of
Speaker 1: that is for the purposes in some former fashion of
Speaker 1: getting people's behavior and being able to track the way
Speaker 1: people behave and use that to help sell ads and
Speaker 1: ultimately to predict behavior even further. Right, Yeah, exactly, So
Speaker 1: what a Matt, What a match made in heaven this
Speaker 1: relationship between these two young star cross lovers. And I
Speaker 1: thought our callers point about how you know, I mean
Speaker 1: not to editorialize and insert ulterior motives in the situation,
Speaker 1: but it is a pretty interesting marriage of convenience in
Speaker 1: terms of the synergy between the two types of tech
Speaker 1: that those companies provide, right, yeah, and they The other
Speaker 1: aspect of this that might interest in people is that
Speaker 1: searchy and and divorced in I believe that's right, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. And and but the investment that we talked about,
Speaker 1: that happened pretty quickly as well, pretty subsequently after the marriage.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, obviously you can invest in someone's
Speaker 1: company without marrying them, but uh, it's weird. It's a
Speaker 1: weird confluence, you know what I mean, Whether or not
Speaker 1: you think there's a conspiracy or something shady going on,
Speaker 1: the timing is very strange. And then I know you
Speaker 1: have feelings about this stuff. I can see you kind of.
Speaker 1: I can see the gears turning there with you. I'm
Speaker 1: wondering what you think about this? Well. I have two feelings.
Speaker 1: The first is that influential, powerful, rich people tend to
Speaker 1: hang out with each other. So I can see how
Speaker 1: perhaps these people, you know, an inspiring CEO of someone
Speaker 1: who's going to create a company and do this thing,
Speaker 1: hanging out with you know, somebody at Google. They hit
Speaker 1: it off. I can imagine how their relationship came about
Speaker 1: without conspiring to you know, fund of this company or
Speaker 1: something in partnering and all that in the same vein
Speaker 1: my my thoughts go to what could Google possibly use
Speaker 1: all of this stuff for out side of the marketing
Speaker 1: and advertising sphere, Like when you're when you're creating such
Speaker 1: powerful algorithms and artificial not necessarily intelligences, but versions of
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence like pre intelligence. Um, what do you do
Speaker 1: with all that DNA information? Oh? Well, it depends on
Speaker 1: what you could make the world a better place. I
Speaker 1: think you could too if you look at you know,
Speaker 1: health health wise, like how do we fix certain things
Speaker 1: and issues with DNA? But you could also just catalog
Speaker 1: like what is a human and patented? Yeah, you could
Speaker 1: patent that. A friend of mine who was just visiting
Speaker 1: with New York over the weekend pointed something out to
Speaker 1: me I thought was really interesting. Um, the idea that
Speaker 1: mainly what we use AI for today is pattern recognition
Speaker 1: and like digging through insane amounts of data sets. So
Speaker 1: you know, who's better that pattern recognition than Google with
Speaker 1: like the whole dream thing and the way they can
Speaker 1: pull data out of this neural network or whatever, because
Speaker 1: people are feeding into the system constantly and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, like our caller was saying, what better relationship
Speaker 1: could there have been than maybe at one point Facebook?
Speaker 1: But now Facebook is sort of tanking, and I think
Speaker 1: people are being much more cautious about what they feed
Speaker 1: into Facebook now. I think of some people are. But Google,
Speaker 1: you're just just like you're in it, man, Like if
Speaker 1: you've got Gmail, they're reading your emails and you know
Speaker 1: it and you don't even care. Or if you know
Speaker 1: someone who has Gmail on their phone and they hang
Speaker 1: out with you and you talk to them. The microphone
Speaker 1: part is true. They're collecting massive amounts of data. There
Speaker 1: was something interesting on the twenty three and me website too.
Speaker 1: In their defense, they say, genetic information that you share
Speaker 1: with others could be used against your interest. You should
Speaker 1: be careful about sharing your genetic information with others. I
Speaker 1: think they're missing the fact that they are the others well,
Speaker 1: and it is the interests like the interest of humankind
Speaker 1: against the interesting human kind, because they're the robots can
Speaker 1: figure out how to annihilate us even faster. But is
Speaker 1: it also inevitable that this sort of information would be
Speaker 1: cataloged and categorized stop. I think it's inevitable. But and
Speaker 1: I'm scared, but well, that is up to the future
Speaker 1: to decide, you know what. Another thing I found out
Speaker 1: about having this conversation with my my my buddy matt
Speaker 1: Um is about a book that I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: you that I have not read yet. It's called The
Speaker 1: Inevitable Understanding the Twelve Technological Forces that will Shape Our
Speaker 1: Future by a guy named Kevin Kelly, who I believe
Speaker 1: is the founder of Wired dot com, and he is
Speaker 1: actually where this article twenty three and me goes global
Speaker 1: and it's data mining efforts that I'm pulling some of
Speaker 1: this info from is from. And this book, from the
Speaker 1: sound of it, is a much more What's I'm looking
Speaker 1: for cautiously opt mystic view of the way a I
Speaker 1: will affect our lives in the future. It's more like
Speaker 1: things like that that idea that everything we do will
Speaker 1: one day be a subscription, whether it's our housing situation,
Speaker 1: our clothes, are dishes, like everything in some form is
Speaker 1: going to be a subscription base and that's not necessarily
Speaker 1: a bad thing. And also one of his theories is
Speaker 1: that AI is not going to be about a one
Speaker 1: stop shop artificial intelligence sensient creature. It's just gonna be
Speaker 1: better machines that are more specialized and suited to doing
Speaker 1: one particular thing really well. So I kind of that,
Speaker 1: I don't I like that idea. Just just trying to
Speaker 1: temper the gloom here a little, right, Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: what a lot of experts agree will be the case,
Speaker 1: rather than some overarching I in the sky Skynet thing.
Speaker 1: There's one thing that predicts weather patterns, there's another thing
Speaker 1: that makes sure the food you want is ordered on time,
Speaker 1: you know. And speaking of inevitable, it's to I'm for
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Speaker 1: and skeptics alike. I don't want it to go unmentioned
Speaker 1: or unnoticed here that our colleague NOL has selflessly been
Speaker 1: playing the clips that you're hearing here, So thank you
Speaker 1: for going the extra mile, Nol. We have one here
Speaker 1: that I thought it was pretty funny. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys had a chance to listen to it yet,
Speaker 1: but it led me to a weird thing that will
Speaker 1: end up digging into. Hey guys, my name is Amanda.
Speaker 1: I'm a longtime fan and I was just listening to
Speaker 1: your episode on the Kennedy Curse. UM at the top,
Speaker 1: I was just hearing a lot up after I'm seeing
Speaker 1: thrown around. UM, I figured I could contribute. I am
Speaker 1: born and raised just on the very upcurt of um
Speaker 1: soft and proper, And while I worked very very hard
Speaker 1: to sort of mask my accent in a way. UM,
Speaker 1: I do occasionally get a person who will ask me,
Speaker 1: you know, can you say Harks the car and Harvard Yard,
Speaker 1: And I'm going to give you the monologue that I
Speaker 1: usually get back to them, which goes a little something
Speaker 1: like this, Um, you can't catch you can and have
Speaker 1: a ya, because have a yads not actually attack. What
Speaker 1: you gotta do is you gotta go down. Then you
Speaker 1: would come back to the pack and garage underneath the
Speaker 1: block and commons. They're only gonna chat you like twenty
Speaker 1: bucks a day kids like you can't beat it. So
Speaker 1: I hope that helps you, guys, navigates a little bit better.
Speaker 1: And UM, i'd really appreciate it if you came out
Speaker 1: and visited us, you know, so, UM, I'd love to
Speaker 1: see there when you do. Catch you guys later. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and Savantha, we we hope that it is a pleasant
Speaker 1: surprise to you if it is still a surprise that
Speaker 1: we are indeed visiting Boston in October. Oh, so we
Speaker 1: should also make sure this episode comes out before October.
Speaker 1: That's a good idea. So we will be doing a
Speaker 1: live tour. We are stopping in Boston. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: go to stuff they don't want you to Know dot
Speaker 1: com and click on the handy little uh what tour?
Speaker 1: What is it? Tab? Live shows, Live shows tab? Click
Speaker 1: on that one and you get tickets there right now
Speaker 1: if you want to. Yes. And furthermore, this accent, this
Speaker 1: accent comment was I thought that was a pretty cool line.
Speaker 1: That was great. You gotta go to the cop pac underneath,
Speaker 1: like the way it also just broke out of the
Speaker 1: mold of the traditional sing song you kind of like
Speaker 1: bs little adage and really just went good with full
Speaker 1: Boston Like this is literally how you have to do this.
Speaker 1: And we love playing with accents and voices on this show.
Speaker 1: Originally I had thought, oh, this is cool. We get
Speaker 1: to hear other people's impressions, you what I mean? But
Speaker 1: it lead it led me to something weird that I
Speaker 1: hadn't thought about before, which is apparently accent changes are perceived.
Speaker 1: Changes in accent are a huge part of some theories
Speaker 1: that used to be really close to you, Matt, the
Speaker 1: the idea of faked deaths or body doubles, particularly with
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney. Yeah, yes, yeah, tell me more. I will,
Speaker 1: I will. So strange accent switches have been noted in
Speaker 1: at least three conspiracies relating to celebrities. One was Lindsay Lohan.
Speaker 1: One's Avril Levine. That's a that's a newer faked your
Speaker 1: death replaced cony. I'm going to search from Avril Levine stuff.
Speaker 1: Now does she write skater Boy? She did? Okay, and
Speaker 1: she also married Chad Kroeger from the most hated band
Speaker 1: in America, Nickelback. They're still at the top of the list.
Speaker 1: I think they are. Yeah, they're probably much beloved in Canada.
Speaker 1: Thought yeah, and hey, smash Mouth, you'll be number one
Speaker 1: one day. They're my favorite band, I I know. Man.
Speaker 1: So another person who was cited for this accents, which
Speaker 1: would be Paul McCartney himself. And it's it's a strange
Speaker 1: thing because, as we've discovered on several other episodes or
Speaker 1: past shows, accents are entirely mutable, we speak like we
Speaker 1: hang with to quote dilated people's and it's a good one.
Speaker 1: You should check that out. Yeah, do you like that one?
Speaker 1: And if we all moved to a different part of
Speaker 1: the world, the three of us and Paul and you
Speaker 1: listening to this, eventually, not only would our accents, assuming
Speaker 1: we all spoke English, change, but they would tend to
Speaker 1: change together. So if you're from a different part of
Speaker 1: the U s or if you're from a different part
Speaker 1: of the Anglo sphere, then not only will you sound
Speaker 1: less British or Australian, but will sound less and less
Speaker 1: American depending on where we're living. That's really cool, Ben, Well,
Speaker 1: it's just I'm saying it's possible that Lindsay Lohan and
Speaker 1: Avril Leving just started living somewhere else, just hanging out
Speaker 1: with different people. Man, But Paul mccarton, he's dead. That's
Speaker 1: pretty that's pretty rock solid, right, Paul. You know he's
Speaker 1: the only one that's not dead. Ringo, I always forget
Speaker 1: about Ringo. Gosh, I'm a bad person. No, that's Paul's replacement.
Speaker 1: According to the what you're doing. I see what you
Speaker 1: guys are doing here, acting as though this is real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the wal ristless Paul. That was the That was the clue,
Speaker 1: isn't Paul is dead? Paul is dead like a backwards
Speaker 1: mask and on the white album did I make that up?
Speaker 1: It's open to interpretation. Whenever you hear I bury Paul,
Speaker 1: Paul says. Okay, Paul says, I buried Paul. It's actually
Speaker 1: cramp Verry sauce. Oh, yeah, that's idle. I've heard that
Speaker 1: as well. We should to an episode on backward masking.
Speaker 1: It's a huge part of the Satanic panic, and it's
Speaker 1: a huge part of a lot of music conspiracy. Stairway
Speaker 1: to Heaven, he goes mass Sweet Satan, Yeah, which is
Speaker 1: is weird because the ones that you can actually find
Speaker 1: improve do exist. You know, the statements that you can
Speaker 1: hear when a record is played backwards, they're usually not
Speaker 1: that terrible. No, that is that one's hilarious though. He
Speaker 1: says there was a little tool chance he made us
Speaker 1: offer all Sweet Satan. Come on, that's creepy really, but
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, it's not like they're saying. On
Speaker 1: December eight ninety three at four p m. We got
Speaker 1: together and killed a child. That the longitude and latitude there,
Speaker 1: thus and this and that, because that's what I think,
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people during the Satanic panic
Speaker 1: ages were alleging. So thank you again, Samantha. That was
Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun. Let's let's go on
Speaker 1: now to a message from Dan. Hey, this is Dan mccollumn,
Speaker 1: a physician practice in August at Georgia, wanted to call
Speaker 1: as a follow up to the Cuba Neurological issue episode,
Speaker 1: there was a GEMA article the Journal of the American
Speaker 1: Medical Association that published finding some neurologic deficits that were
Speaker 1: present in the survivors of this alleged attack, and they
Speaker 1: described a whole bunch of very technical things such as
Speaker 1: neurological testing that involved the vestibular system, everything from scoring
Speaker 1: water in people's ears to see what their eyes do,
Speaker 1: and a lot of other stuff, and they described significant results. However,
Speaker 1: that has come under attack because some very shoddy methodology.
Speaker 1: So it looks like they used to cut off of
Speaker 1: as just justifying neurologic deficits, which means that almost everyone
Speaker 1: would have at least one a normal test out of
Speaker 1: the thirty seven tests. It could be subscided, so the
Speaker 1: odds that that you would actually be normal by the
Speaker 1: testing are very very low because they just kept testing
Speaker 1: it again and again. It was roughly at coin toss
Speaker 1: about whether any individual would actually be negative on notes.
Speaker 1: So three of the six people that completed every test
Speaker 1: would have actually been normal on every test. A shady
Speaker 1: side note is that a ridiculous cough is never noticed
Speaker 1: in other trials. We usually use five percent or less
Speaker 1: as it cut off for normal. So it seems likely
Speaker 1: that there was some pressure for this journal to to
Speaker 1: accept this, which could have been political, are due to
Speaker 1: funding because they do make money by selling reprints of
Speaker 1: these articles. So it's really unclear is exactly why this
Speaker 1: has got missed in the peer of view process, which
Speaker 1: as a peer of viewer and myself is very difficult,
Speaker 1: And they could have just missed this because it was
Speaker 1: buried in electronic supplement. So when I originally read the article,
Speaker 1: I thought this was a proof of objective issues with
Speaker 1: the neurological status of these folks that were working at
Speaker 1: the Cuban embassy, but instead it looks like this was
Speaker 1: just poor science. So extreme thing is is that this
Speaker 1: is likely due more to psychological read since you know
Speaker 1: prominent on his mass hysteria. UM, but I think that
Speaker 1: I don't want to diminish the fact that these folks
Speaker 1: are suffering from something that we're a tremendous amount of
Speaker 1: subjective symptoms just isn't good data that it looks like
Speaker 1: these were actually objective harm to them. It's hard to
Speaker 1: see how a mysterious sonic weapon could have done this.
Speaker 1: So in all um, I think this is more of
Speaker 1: a psychological thing. These folks do need help, but it's
Speaker 1: less because of brain damage toe to this weapon and
Speaker 1: more due to, um, the stressful situation of being in
Speaker 1: Cuba doing a very tough job. So in all um,
Speaker 1: very interesting podcast. You'll keep doing what you're doing. And
Speaker 1: thanks again. And that was our medical resident, smart gentleman
Speaker 1: from Augusta, Dan, Thank you, Dan. Shout out to Augusta too,
Speaker 1: that's my hometown. What up, What up, Augusta, And thanks
Speaker 1: for bringing me up these fantastic points. Dan. I think
Speaker 1: that's something that we kicked back and forth when we
Speaker 1: did our original episode, was the possibility that there could
Speaker 1: be without diminishing the suffering of people, a psychological aspect
Speaker 1: to this. The story dropped out of the news pretty rapidly, right,
Speaker 1: And if you check some of the news so far,
Speaker 1: you'll see you'll see reports dating to around this time
Speaker 1: last year, maybe a little bit further after, where in
Speaker 1: people from other countries also stationed as diplomats in Cuba
Speaker 1: reported experiencing similar symptoms. I believe a Canadian diplomat reported
Speaker 1: similar similar symptoms. There were some allegations that something similar
Speaker 1: was occurring in China, I think for a time, but
Speaker 1: at this point it has been considered officially not solved,
Speaker 1: I believe so far. But there isn't a lot of
Speaker 1: focus on the methodology of the research. As Dr Dan
Speaker 1: Augusta points out drugs, I'm just making doctor nicknames. What
Speaker 1: do you guys think, Augusta Dan or Dan Augusta. We
Speaker 1: just call him Dr Dan, Dr Dan going, Dr Dan Augusta,
Speaker 1: who we're going to have to reach back out to
Speaker 1: whenever we have a question like this, or just have
Speaker 1: him come down to the studio. Is Augusta coming down?
Speaker 1: Where's Augusta? It's on about two hours on I twenty east.
Speaker 1: Okay from here, all right, so heading towards the water,
Speaker 1: that's right, nice, Okay, So we went through and we
Speaker 1: found the jama article the Journal of American Medical Association
Speaker 1: that we believe Dan was speaking about it. It comes
Speaker 1: from March twentie and it goes through and we can
Speaker 1: read some of this stuff. A lot of it is
Speaker 1: um honestly difficult for me to comprehend as a layman,
Speaker 1: a lay person in this in this field, in a
Speaker 1: medical field. But let's go through this. In the findings
Speaker 1: action of this article, they note that there's a series
Speaker 1: of twenty one individuals that were looked at for this.
Speaker 1: They were exposed to directional, audible, and sensory phenomena and
Speaker 1: there was a what they call a constellation of acute,
Speaker 1: persistent signs and symptoms that were identified in these individuals.
Speaker 1: There's no associated history of any kind of blent head
Speaker 1: trauma in these people, and apparently following exposure, patients experienced
Speaker 1: cognitive vestibular which honestly, I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1: Maybe you do, maybe you're like Dan, or we could
Speaker 1: just google it, but for now Matt doesn't know what
Speaker 1: that is. Also, ocular motor dysfunctions, so having to do
Speaker 1: with the eyes and ability to move them in certain ways,
Speaker 1: along with auditory symptoms and sleep abnormalities and headache. Then
Speaker 1: it goes through and it talks about the percentages of
Speaker 1: individuals and what, you know, what was found in them
Speaker 1: in there, the results of the testing, and it's just
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff off that we kind of
Speaker 1: covered in that episode, like what people were actually dealing
Speaker 1: with um I. And here's the other thing. JAMA is
Speaker 1: one of those journals, like Dan said, where you have
Speaker 1: to pay to get the full information. If you want
Speaker 1: to get the whole thing, the whole article, you have
Speaker 1: to pay a subscription fee or just buy it outright.
Speaker 1: If you go through that, Oh no, no, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I'm not about to condone anything illegal. There's always
Speaker 1: the possibility of writing directly to the researchers, the scientists,
Speaker 1: the experts who created the study, and asking them directly, hey,
Speaker 1: could you send me a copy of this not illegal
Speaker 1: because they own it, Because doesn't that money you pay
Speaker 1: when you do it the other way typically doesn't even
Speaker 1: go to the researchers through just like a third party
Speaker 1: kind Yeah, quite often, Well we should get Dan to
Speaker 1: flex his his connection muscles that Dr Dan Dan august Man.
Speaker 1: That's right, Dr Dan Augusta. If you don't you ever
Speaker 1: want to help us out, send us something we would
Speaker 1: accept it, and while we wait to hear from Dr Dan,
Speaker 1: let's take a break for a quick word from our sponsor.
Speaker 1: Dr Dan got back to us. It was fantastic, kidding, No,
Speaker 1: we're still waiting. Yeah, we haven't attempted anything with Dan
Speaker 1: yet Dr Dan. Gosh, sorry, Dr Dan, but we do
Speaker 1: have something different for our next voicemail goes back to
Speaker 1: one of our h one of our episodes that generated
Speaker 1: some of the largest amounts of response in the history
Speaker 1: of the show. A. You're talking about sleep paralysis, Ben,
Speaker 1: that's correct. Yeah, I picked this one mainly because I
Speaker 1: just like these stories. Maybe like as a strong word,
Speaker 1: but um I am. I always enjoy hearing the different
Speaker 1: variations that people have. Um but yet the similarities that
Speaker 1: seemed to continue to crop up when it comes to
Speaker 1: these stories. That's sleep paralysis. That being a phenomenon where
Speaker 1: you find yourself half awake, half asleep. Most people report
Speaker 1: feeling quite awake though unconscious, but you can't move, and
Speaker 1: typically you are confronted with some sort of terrifying vision
Speaker 1: or hallucination what have you that feels intensely real, and
Speaker 1: often it's repeated and it's something that people really really
Speaker 1: struggle with. So here's one that I found particularly chilling.
Speaker 1: Hello s T w ynt K Gang. I'm Joe from
Speaker 1: Washington Stake. I've sent this in an email beforehand, but
Speaker 1: I'd rather give my account of the more interesting event
Speaker 1: in person. So I've had a pretty storied history with
Speaker 1: sleep paralysis incidents, but you know, I'm also near sighted,
Speaker 1: pretty badly near sighted, and can barely read anything a
Speaker 1: good two feet in front of me. So strangely enough,
Speaker 1: my sleep paralysis incidents have had a more captile tone
Speaker 1: to them, and we'll go over one of the were
Speaker 1: creepy and almost eldritch incidents here. So I was sleeping
Speaker 1: in my bed and kind of woke up a little bit.
Speaker 1: It seemed that kind of huge state when you're about
Speaker 1: to go to sleep but you're not really going to sleep.
Speaker 1: And so during that kind of period of time when
Speaker 1: I began to realize I was getting a sleeper rouse
Speaker 1: this incident. It started with some auditory stuff and some
Speaker 1: kind of mumbling, and particularly the approaching steps of a
Speaker 1: quadraped and through the wall behind me. Then I heard
Speaker 1: some growling which resumed. Is I felt some sort of
Speaker 1: long muzzle, bump and brush against me. The creatures and
Speaker 1: examined my right shoulder and with its jaw and snout
Speaker 1: I swear maybe even sniffed at me, then moved to
Speaker 1: my left side through the wall and began to fight
Speaker 1: in my stint to my shoulder and left side of
Speaker 1: my neck and being wild. Voices to the right of
Speaker 1: me wailed about something about musical chairs and why won't
Speaker 1: you join us? I was pretty just at the time
Speaker 1: as well, but I knew it was an hallucination. But
Speaker 1: the liberal of accuracy whatever to that dog thing that
Speaker 1: was attacking me was astonishing, even down to feeling gentle
Speaker 1: tapped to my right and the frantic fighting and tugging
Speaker 1: on my neck at my left. Out of my experiences,
Speaker 1: none of them were as downright hostile as that one,
Speaker 1: though I remained I remained rather calm through the experience.
Speaker 1: But it was just a hallucination, But I was more
Speaker 1: or less fascinated by how immediately scary it was. I
Speaker 1: knew it wouldn't harm me, but I just rode through
Speaker 1: it and also join us has been a phase that's
Speaker 1: appeared more than once in my audible hallucinations as well.
Speaker 1: Confvention I've been super okay with dogs and I've never
Speaker 1: been bitten or attacked by one before. Only afterwards I
Speaker 1: made the connection between my sleep paralysis incident an HP
Speaker 1: Lovecraft story The Hounds of tender Loops. Could this tactile
Speaker 1: hallucination been a tender loose hound? I wasn't whacked out
Speaker 1: up hard to find an arcotic, but my bed was
Speaker 1: adjacent to a corner on the right side where I
Speaker 1: was sleeping. It did approach through the wall. And sure,
Speaker 1: it's a little absurd, but the connections to the stories
Speaker 1: rather interesting. That was great. Yeah, that guy should run
Speaker 1: for president. This the sound of it. I have to say,
Speaker 1: when I first heard this, I thought it was somebody
Speaker 1: doing this story through like a speech to text program.
Speaker 1: Also wondered that, and then he started. Once he got
Speaker 1: through the intro, his cadence became a little more natural,
Speaker 1: and uh, man, that what a great story. And that's
Speaker 1: I just thought that I I just wanted to share. Becauought
Speaker 1: it was funny. But good lord, that's probably the most visceral,
Speaker 1: uh tactile, as he put it, one of these sleep
Speaker 1: rouses stories that I've ever personally heard. And I love
Speaker 1: the connection to the love Craft, which I think tickled
Speaker 1: your fancy there, Ben, Yeah, Hounds of Tenderlos was created
Speaker 1: by Frank Bell Knapp Long and then later it was
Speaker 1: in incorporated into the Cathulu mythos, which is wich is
Speaker 1: a neat thing. You can do it today. By the way, Joe,
Speaker 1: if you feel like setting your wonderful thoughts and visions
Speaker 1: onto paper or keyboard and write this out as a story,
Speaker 1: you very well could join part of the HP Lovecraft methos.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'd like to say, that's actually a pretty
Speaker 1: terrifying vision that Joe has got here. It is wonderful
Speaker 1: that he has that story, but been on, I would
Speaker 1: not want to experience that. That sounds horrifying, like a
Speaker 1: dog gnawing at you while you're hearing someone chanting. Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 1: What's the line between reality and perception as well? You know,
Speaker 1: And I think in that previous sleep Prosis episode, we
Speaker 1: had all talked about whether or not we experienced it,
Speaker 1: and most people, according to the statistics, experience something like this,
Speaker 1: even of it's just being held down or just unable
Speaker 1: to move the hallucinations very I think a big part
Speaker 1: of it's the feeling of pressure on your chest as
Speaker 1: though something's kind of sitting on you. But um, the
Speaker 1: where it gets really interesting is these kind of repeated
Speaker 1: stories of apparitions or you know, ghostly figures, and this
Speaker 1: one and this one really really got really got me.
Speaker 1: So yeah, thanks for writing and Joe, hope you're getting
Speaker 1: some better sleep calling in. Oh, yes, that's right, calling in.
Speaker 1: You're just so well spoken that we we did wonder
Speaker 1: if you had written this down, but yes, massively appreciated
Speaker 1: and speaking of ghostly figures and haunting events, we have
Speaker 1: a voicemail from someone who wishes to remain anonymous out
Speaker 1: there in Chicago. Yo. I wasn't going to contact you guys.
Speaker 1: Um I heard the end of the serial killer podcast.
Speaker 1: You guys just did. I just wanted to say, I'm
Speaker 1: out here in the West side of Chicago, and I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure there's a serial killer that has been on
Speaker 1: the loose. Uh. Couple of newspapers have done reports about it.
Speaker 1: I think the numbers are like seventy five women have
Speaker 1: been strangled, they're smothered in Chicago, and uh, fifty of
Speaker 1: them are still unsolved. There are you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of arrests for them, but most of the people arrested
Speaker 1: obviously claim that they did not do the crimes they
Speaker 1: were arrested for. I guess here's where it gets crazy.
Speaker 1: There are also a string of bodies found burnt in
Speaker 1: dumpsters across the city for the last maybe decade that
Speaker 1: there have been no arrests for. So there may even
Speaker 1: be two serial killers on the loose here in Chicago. Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about you know, they're uh ms.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure multiple weapons have been used to strangle
Speaker 1: these women, but yeah, there might be something you want
Speaker 1: to look into. Definitely touched on your next serial Killer podcast.
Speaker 1: Also a big fan of the show, guys, keep it Wow.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for writing in anonymous in Chicago.
Speaker 1: We appreciated immensely, so much so that we're probably gonna
Speaker 1: need to make this focus of an entire episode itself,
Speaker 1: similar to some of the other things we encountered today.
Speaker 1: The there's there's a fascinating thread here because specifically, this
Speaker 1: caller is referring to things run in the Chicago Tribune,
Speaker 1: So these are stand up papers. In January of two
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, the Chicago Tribune ran a special report
Speaker 1: detailing how seventy five women have been strangled or smothered
Speaker 1: in Chicago since two thousand and one. The vast majority
Speaker 1: of their killers got away. So the actual law enforcement
Speaker 1: of Chicago says that there is not any pattern to this.
Speaker 1: The Chicago police are denying any possible serial killer, and
Speaker 1: they're saying that this is the result of digitized hysteria right,
Speaker 1: a social media frenzy, and that they are treating the
Speaker 1: cases of missing or murdered women on a as single
Speaker 1: events rather and this I could see how it would
Speaker 1: be difficult to trust the authorities in this situation because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of violence that I think people outside
Speaker 1: of Chicago are not aware of. It's really frustrating how
Speaker 1: how much violence is going on out there as someone
Speaker 1: who is not living there but just continues to read
Speaker 1: about it, and you're like, oh, wow, more people died,
Speaker 1: And then on Lively you'll that's just me. You'll see
Speaker 1: like shootings that happened in Chicago over the weekend and
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, Okay, that's unsettling. Great, and you know,
Speaker 1: being so far away from it, but is knowing that
Speaker 1: it's happening and happening and happening and happening. Um, it's
Speaker 1: hard to wrap your head around what it must be
Speaker 1: like to be a police officer or an investigator or
Speaker 1: homicide detective living in that area where there's just so
Speaker 1: much crime occurring at any time, and how bogged down
Speaker 1: you're getting. Um, I don't I'm just trying to imagine
Speaker 1: through the eyes of all the people involved here. It's intense.
Speaker 1: And this has probably stayed in the obvious, but I
Speaker 1: mean I was recently there for about a week, and um,
Speaker 1: this is pretty quarantine in terms of the parts of
Speaker 1: the city where this is happening. I think it's pretty
Speaker 1: exclusively like on the South Side of Chicago, I want
Speaker 1: to say, because the areas that I was hanging out
Speaker 1: and it just didn't feel I didn't feel threatened. It
Speaker 1: felt very almost like overly gentrified in kind of a
Speaker 1: little bit of a creepy way, to be honest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: last time I was in Chicago was definitely the South
Speaker 1: Side where this sort of stuff was happening, particularly the
Speaker 1: dumpster discoveries. Vice had a great news piece on this
Speaker 1: last year where they noted that Chicago is well known
Speaker 1: for having one of the highest homicide rates in the
Speaker 1: country and one of the worst records for solving murders.
Speaker 1: So it is completely possible that there's an isolated event,
Speaker 1: but it's completely understandable that people would believe there was
Speaker 1: a serial killer Chicago. Also, we have to say this
Speaker 1: is not a ding on the current city because we're
Speaker 1: not Chicago natives. Absolutely, but Chicago does have an historic
Speaker 1: reputation for being a very corrupt city where in crimes
Speaker 1: were covered up, you know, dating predating the days of prohibition, right,
Speaker 1: so that timeline check out there, Yeah, it does, it does.
Speaker 1: I remember hearing rumors about I think it was Barack
Speaker 1: Obama who was coming out of Chicago, and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh man, he's a Chicagoan, Like what really? But then yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not I'm not saying there's anything to them,
Speaker 1: there's anything bad about Chicago leaving in Chicago. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying those rumors still subsist from the historical um runnings
Speaker 1: of Chicago. Yeah, and this leads us to a couple
Speaker 1: of questions for you, fellow conspiracy realist. Have you had
Speaker 1: any experience with Chicago. Do you think there's any sand
Speaker 1: to the claims that there's a serial killer loose and
Speaker 1: at work. If so, why or why not because it
Speaker 1: sounds like a lot of locals do believe this despite
Speaker 1: what CPD is saying. Now, well, I was reading just
Speaker 1: now something out of ABC a local affiliate and ABC
Speaker 1: I Witness News and in June, they were specifically looking
Speaker 1: at the deaths of two women. UM, I just want
Speaker 1: to see here so we can put this on our
Speaker 1: list to look out for later. Um Shantia Smith who
Speaker 1: was twenty six and then UM Sadaria Davis, two women
Speaker 1: who were found like West Side building and then in
Speaker 1: Lawndale garage. So anyway, UM, just more information for you
Speaker 1: if you want to look any of this stuff up
Speaker 1: or find something out right to us, please And we're
Speaker 1: getting the signal from our trustee superproducer that we're running
Speaker 1: a little bit long. Well it's not a very nice
Speaker 1: gesture of Paul. Yeah, it's I would describe it as articulate.
Speaker 1: What do you think? There's your control. Baby's got to
Speaker 1: keep us in life. So, so as we leave the
Speaker 1: studio today, we want to end on one last call
Speaker 1: and it's not something that we're so much going to
Speaker 1: discuss as something that we wanted to share with you
Speaker 1: to get your own thoughts. Hello, UM, I was calling
Speaker 1: just because there's something on my mind, UM of your show. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: it seems to be that the more you find out
Speaker 1: about conspiracy being true, or active foreigner political intentions trying
Speaker 1: to I guess what I'm how to get out it is.
Speaker 1: I feel like all we do is learn more and
Speaker 1: more about how there are people trying to form upboats
Speaker 1: on Reddit to gain Internet influence for corporate interests or
Speaker 1: political interests. You find out that there's Russia and internet
Speaker 1: squads meant to cause division and hatred and fatigue on
Speaker 1: comment threads. You find out that news sources are meant
Speaker 1: to inform you, they're meant to cause doubt. Ah. And
Speaker 1: I feel like I had to tap out several months
Speaker 1: ago from just learning more and more about how much
Speaker 1: things have been misleading. UM. I felt a fatigue, I
Speaker 1: felt an anxiety that the only way I could cure
Speaker 1: it was stepping away from learning more and understanding more.
Speaker 1: And it feels like these active parties trying to cause
Speaker 1: this to happen to have one and I don't know
Speaker 1: how to feel about that for my personal health, mental health,
Speaker 1: and my personal comfort. I guess um, I had to
Speaker 1: step away, and that was their explicit goal, and I
Speaker 1: just want to know how you guys felt about that.
Speaker 1: I still tune in, I still listen, um, but I
Speaker 1: just give myself a cushion space between me and finding
Speaker 1: about about the stuff that's really gonna rile me up
Speaker 1: or getting me upset, because it just seems to be
Speaker 1: hit purpose of people online too, causy feelings for motives
Speaker 1: that I'll never even begin to understand, or if I
Speaker 1: do understand, we'll just follow me out even more so,
Speaker 1: I hope to hear from you guys, or at least
Speaker 1: discuss it or I don't know what do you want
Speaker 1: to do with this opinion, but um, thank you for
Speaker 1: hearing me out. Have a good day. I think it's
Speaker 1: important just to comment quickly on this, just just to
Speaker 1: say that I think perhaps the three of us had
Speaker 1: shared some of these have shared some of these feelings
Speaker 1: at some point. I don't want to speak for you, guys,
Speaker 1: but just the overwhelming nature of the information that's out there,
Speaker 1: and the faucets that never close of news and good
Speaker 1: and bad things but mostly bad things occurring, and just
Speaker 1: how that makes you feel personally, how that affects your
Speaker 1: mood on a day to day basis. Well not to
Speaker 1: mention that we kind of have to be tapped into
Speaker 1: a pretty pretty seven just to make this show and
Speaker 1: other shows that we work on, and it's like our job,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, my kid gives me a hard
Speaker 1: time because I'm always like looking at my phone and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I know that I'm sort of feeding the beast
Speaker 1: in some ways by being tapped in all the time.
Speaker 1: But I also convinced myself that it's for the greater
Speaker 1: good of like being tapped in for you know, stuff
Speaker 1: that I might be able to use to discuss on
Speaker 1: this or other shows. But at the same time, sometimes
Speaker 1: it's so overwhelming that like you just feel like you
Speaker 1: you want to just unplug all of it, because yes,
Speaker 1: it can have a toxic effect on your on your
Speaker 1: mental health for sure. Um, And then's something I struggle
Speaker 1: with every day just to try to balance that out
Speaker 1: and not be so plugged in all the time and
Speaker 1: also be able to temper some of this negativity with Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, people are still okay. I like you guys,
Speaker 1: I like everyone that's called in. Yeah. Yeah. The last thing, Ben,
Speaker 1: I think something he said resonates with something we've discussed
Speaker 1: before in this where uh he was, he's anonymous, this
Speaker 1: person they called in he talked about all of these
Speaker 1: entities that are like winning basically the in the fight
Speaker 1: for control, and just wanted to call him maybe his
Speaker 1: fears a little bit, just with what we've discussed about
Speaker 1: how it's a bunch of different entities and they're all
Speaker 1: vying for the same control. It's not one big monolithic entity, right, Yes, Matt,
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Speaker 1: to stay possible that there is some single group that
Speaker 1: runs the world. However, it is much more probable that
Speaker 1: there are multiple groups who feel like they deserve to
Speaker 1: run the world. They are very powerful in certain senses
Speaker 1: and very powerful in certain spheres, and they're not incentivized
Speaker 1: to get along and vultron into one big overarching thing,
Speaker 1: because what does power do. It turns a lot of
Speaker 1: people into essentially crappier versions of themselves, and those crappier
Speaker 1: versions of someone are going to be much less likely
Speaker 1: to cooperate with someone else who is powerful. They will
Speaker 1: be seen as a rival, a frenemy, of convenience or
Speaker 1: a threat to be eliminated, so it's very rare. While
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