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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: turn back now or leave a message after the beat beeed. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I guess Hey, my name is Matt. I'm on the show.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure why I'm leaving this voice message,

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Speaker 1: but I just want you guys to know. I really

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Speaker 1: I disagree with you entirely. Uh As Noah, one of

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Speaker 1: this voicemail? It's a party line. This whole episode is

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Speaker 1: one long voicemail. Uh. They called me Ben. We're joined

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Speaker 1: with our super producer Paul Decon. Most importantly, you are

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Speaker 1: and you've heard us talk longtime listeners about our call

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Speaker 1: any of the voicemails that we have received until that

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Speaker 1: Boston Like this is literally how you have to do this.

429
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Speaker 1: And we love playing with accents and voices on this show.

430
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Speaker 1: Originally I had thought, oh, this is cool. We get

431
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Speaker 1: to hear other people's impressions, you what I mean? But

432
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: it lead it led me to something weird that I

433
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Speaker 1: hadn't thought about before, which is apparently accent changes are perceived.

434
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Speaker 1: Changes in accent are a huge part of some theories

435
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: that used to be really close to you, Matt, the

436
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: the idea of faked deaths or body doubles, particularly with

437
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney. Yeah, yes, yeah, tell me more. I will,

438
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Speaker 1: I will. So strange accent switches have been noted in

439
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: at least three conspiracies relating to celebrities. One was Lindsay Lohan.

440
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: One's Avril Levine. That's a that's a newer faked your

441
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: death replaced cony. I'm going to search from Avril Levine stuff.

442
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: Now does she write skater Boy? She did? Okay, and

443
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: she also married Chad Kroeger from the most hated band

444
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: in America, Nickelback. They're still at the top of the list.

445
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: I think they are. Yeah, they're probably much beloved in Canada.

446
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: Thought yeah, and hey, smash Mouth, you'll be number one

447
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: one day. They're my favorite band, I I know. Man.

448
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: So another person who was cited for this accents, which

449
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: would be Paul McCartney himself. And it's it's a strange

450
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: thing because, as we've discovered on several other episodes or

451
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: past shows, accents are entirely mutable, we speak like we

452
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: hang with to quote dilated people's and it's a good one.

453
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: You should check that out. Yeah, do you like that one?

454
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: And if we all moved to a different part of

455
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: the world, the three of us and Paul and you

456
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: listening to this, eventually, not only would our accents, assuming

457
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: we all spoke English, change, but they would tend to

458
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: change together. So if you're from a different part of

459
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: the U s or if you're from a different part

460
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: of the Anglo sphere, then not only will you sound

461
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: less British or Australian, but will sound less and less

462
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: American depending on where we're living. That's really cool, Ben, Well,

463
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Speaker 1: it's just I'm saying it's possible that Lindsay Lohan and

464
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Speaker 1: Avril Leving just started living somewhere else, just hanging out

465
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Speaker 1: with different people. Man, But Paul mccarton, he's dead. That's

466
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: pretty that's pretty rock solid, right, Paul. You know he's

467
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: the only one that's not dead. Ringo, I always forget

468
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: about Ringo. Gosh, I'm a bad person. No, that's Paul's replacement.

469
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: According to the what you're doing. I see what you

470
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: guys are doing here, acting as though this is real. Yeah,

471
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: the wal ristless Paul. That was the That was the clue,

472
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: isn't Paul is dead? Paul is dead like a backwards

473
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: mask and on the white album did I make that up?

474
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: It's open to interpretation. Whenever you hear I bury Paul,

475
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: Paul says. Okay, Paul says, I buried Paul. It's actually

476
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: cramp Verry sauce. Oh, yeah, that's idle. I've heard that

477
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: as well. We should to an episode on backward masking.

478
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: It's a huge part of the Satanic panic, and it's

479
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: a huge part of a lot of music conspiracy. Stairway

480
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: to Heaven, he goes mass Sweet Satan, Yeah, which is

481
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: is weird because the ones that you can actually find

482
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: improve do exist. You know, the statements that you can

483
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: hear when a record is played backwards, they're usually not

484
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: that terrible. No, that is that one's hilarious though. He

485
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: says there was a little tool chance he made us

486
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: offer all Sweet Satan. Come on, that's creepy really, but

487
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, it's not like they're saying. On

488
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: December eight ninety three at four p m. We got

489
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: together and killed a child. That the longitude and latitude there,

490
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: thus and this and that, because that's what I think,

491
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people during the Satanic panic

492
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: ages were alleging. So thank you again, Samantha. That was

493
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun. Let's let's go on

494
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: now to a message from Dan. Hey, this is Dan mccollumn,

495
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: a physician practice in August at Georgia, wanted to call

496
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Speaker 1: as a follow up to the Cuba Neurological issue episode,

497
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Speaker 1: there was a GEMA article the Journal of the American

498
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Speaker 1: Medical Association that published finding some neurologic deficits that were

499
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Speaker 1: present in the survivors of this alleged attack, and they

500
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: described a whole bunch of very technical things such as

501
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: neurological testing that involved the vestibular system, everything from scoring

502
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: water in people's ears to see what their eyes do,

503
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of other stuff, and they described significant results. However,

504
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: that has come under attack because some very shoddy methodology.

505
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: So it looks like they used to cut off of

506
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Speaker 1: as just justifying neurologic deficits, which means that almost everyone

507
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: would have at least one a normal test out of

508
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: the thirty seven tests. It could be subscided, so the

509
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: odds that that you would actually be normal by the

510
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: testing are very very low because they just kept testing

511
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: it again and again. It was roughly at coin toss

512
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: about whether any individual would actually be negative on notes.

513
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: So three of the six people that completed every test

514
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: would have actually been normal on every test. A shady

515
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: side note is that a ridiculous cough is never noticed

516
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: in other trials. We usually use five percent or less

517
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: as it cut off for normal. So it seems likely

518
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: that there was some pressure for this journal to to

519
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: accept this, which could have been political, are due to

520
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: funding because they do make money by selling reprints of

521
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: these articles. So it's really unclear is exactly why this

522
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: has got missed in the peer of view process, which

523
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: as a peer of viewer and myself is very difficult,

524
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: And they could have just missed this because it was

525
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: buried in electronic supplement. So when I originally read the article,

526
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: I thought this was a proof of objective issues with

527
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: the neurological status of these folks that were working at

528
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: the Cuban embassy, but instead it looks like this was

529
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: just poor science. So extreme thing is is that this

530
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: is likely due more to psychological read since you know

531
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: prominent on his mass hysteria. UM, but I think that

532
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to diminish the fact that these folks

533
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: are suffering from something that we're a tremendous amount of

534
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: subjective symptoms just isn't good data that it looks like

535
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: these were actually objective harm to them. It's hard to

536
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: see how a mysterious sonic weapon could have done this.

537
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: So in all um, I think this is more of

538
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: a psychological thing. These folks do need help, but it's

539
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: less because of brain damage toe to this weapon and

540
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: more due to, um, the stressful situation of being in

541
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: Cuba doing a very tough job. So in all um,

542
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: very interesting podcast. You'll keep doing what you're doing. And

543
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: thanks again. And that was our medical resident, smart gentleman

544
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: from Augusta, Dan, Thank you, Dan. Shout out to Augusta too,

545
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: that's my hometown. What up, What up, Augusta, And thanks

546
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: for bringing me up these fantastic points. Dan. I think

547
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: that's something that we kicked back and forth when we

548
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: did our original episode, was the possibility that there could

549
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: be without diminishing the suffering of people, a psychological aspect

550
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: to this. The story dropped out of the news pretty rapidly, right,

551
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: And if you check some of the news so far,

552
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: you'll see you'll see reports dating to around this time

553
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: last year, maybe a little bit further after, where in

554
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: people from other countries also stationed as diplomats in Cuba

555
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: reported experiencing similar symptoms. I believe a Canadian diplomat reported

556
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: similar similar symptoms. There were some allegations that something similar

557
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: was occurring in China, I think for a time, but

558
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: at this point it has been considered officially not solved,

559
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: I believe so far. But there isn't a lot of

560
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: focus on the methodology of the research. As Dr Dan

561
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: Augusta points out drugs, I'm just making doctor nicknames. What

562
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: do you guys think, Augusta Dan or Dan Augusta. We

563
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: just call him Dr Dan, Dr Dan going, Dr Dan Augusta,

564
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: who we're going to have to reach back out to

565
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: whenever we have a question like this, or just have

566
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: him come down to the studio. Is Augusta coming down?

567
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: Where's Augusta? It's on about two hours on I twenty east.

568
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: Okay from here, all right, so heading towards the water,

569
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: that's right, nice, Okay, So we went through and we

570
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: found the jama article the Journal of American Medical Association

571
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: that we believe Dan was speaking about it. It comes

572
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: from March twentie and it goes through and we can

573
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: read some of this stuff. A lot of it is

574
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: um honestly difficult for me to comprehend as a layman,

575
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: a lay person in this in this field, in a

576
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: medical field. But let's go through this. In the findings

577
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: action of this article, they note that there's a series

578
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: of twenty one individuals that were looked at for this.

579
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 1: They were exposed to directional, audible, and sensory phenomena and

580
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: there was a what they call a constellation of acute,

581
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: persistent signs and symptoms that were identified in these individuals.

582
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: There's no associated history of any kind of blent head

583
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: trauma in these people, and apparently following exposure, patients experienced

584
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: cognitive vestibular which honestly, I don't know what that means.

585
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: Maybe you do, maybe you're like Dan, or we could

586
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: just google it, but for now Matt doesn't know what

587
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: that is. Also, ocular motor dysfunctions, so having to do

588
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: with the eyes and ability to move them in certain ways,

589
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: along with auditory symptoms and sleep abnormalities and headache. Then

590
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: it goes through and it talks about the percentages of

591
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: individuals and what, you know, what was found in them

592
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: in there, the results of the testing, and it's just

593
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff off that we kind of

594
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: covered in that episode, like what people were actually dealing

595
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: with um I. And here's the other thing. JAMA is

596
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: one of those journals, like Dan said, where you have

597
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: to pay to get the full information. If you want

598
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: to get the whole thing, the whole article, you have

599
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: to pay a subscription fee or just buy it outright.

600
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: If you go through that, Oh no, no, I'm not

601
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: saying I'm not about to condone anything illegal. There's always

602
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: the possibility of writing directly to the researchers, the scientists,

603
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: the experts who created the study, and asking them directly, hey,

604
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: could you send me a copy of this not illegal

605
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: because they own it, Because doesn't that money you pay

606
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: when you do it the other way typically doesn't even

607
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: go to the researchers through just like a third party

608
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: kind Yeah, quite often, Well we should get Dan to

609
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: flex his his connection muscles that Dr Dan Dan august Man.

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00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: That's right, Dr Dan Augusta. If you don't you ever

611
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: want to help us out, send us something we would

612
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: accept it, and while we wait to hear from Dr Dan,

613
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: let's take a break for a quick word from our sponsor.

614
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: Dr Dan got back to us. It was fantastic, kidding, No,

615
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: we're still waiting. Yeah, we haven't attempted anything with Dan

616
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: yet Dr Dan. Gosh, sorry, Dr Dan, but we do

617
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: have something different for our next voicemail goes back to

618
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: one of our h one of our episodes that generated

619
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: some of the largest amounts of response in the history

620
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: of the show. A. You're talking about sleep paralysis, Ben,

621
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: that's correct. Yeah, I picked this one mainly because I

622
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: just like these stories. Maybe like as a strong word,

623
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: but um I am. I always enjoy hearing the different

624
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: variations that people have. Um but yet the similarities that

625
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: seemed to continue to crop up when it comes to

626
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: these stories. That's sleep paralysis. That being a phenomenon where

627
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: you find yourself half awake, half asleep. Most people report

628
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: feeling quite awake though unconscious, but you can't move, and

629
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: typically you are confronted with some sort of terrifying vision

630
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: or hallucination what have you that feels intensely real, and

631
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: often it's repeated and it's something that people really really

632
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: struggle with. So here's one that I found particularly chilling.

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00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: Hello s T w ynt K Gang. I'm Joe from

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Speaker 1: Washington Stake. I've sent this in an email beforehand, but

635
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: I'd rather give my account of the more interesting event

636
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: in person. So I've had a pretty storied history with

637
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: sleep paralysis incidents, but you know, I'm also near sighted,

638
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: pretty badly near sighted, and can barely read anything a

639
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: good two feet in front of me. So strangely enough,

640
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: my sleep paralysis incidents have had a more captile tone

641
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: to them, and we'll go over one of the were

642
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: creepy and almost eldritch incidents here. So I was sleeping

643
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: in my bed and kind of woke up a little bit.

644
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: It seemed that kind of huge state when you're about

645
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: to go to sleep but you're not really going to sleep.

646
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: And so during that kind of period of time when

647
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: I began to realize I was getting a sleeper rouse

648
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: this incident. It started with some auditory stuff and some

649
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: kind of mumbling, and particularly the approaching steps of a

650
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: quadraped and through the wall behind me. Then I heard

651
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: some growling which resumed. Is I felt some sort of

652
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: long muzzle, bump and brush against me. The creatures and

653
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: examined my right shoulder and with its jaw and snout

654
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: I swear maybe even sniffed at me, then moved to

655
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: my left side through the wall and began to fight

656
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: in my stint to my shoulder and left side of

657
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: my neck and being wild. Voices to the right of

658
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: me wailed about something about musical chairs and why won't

659
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: you join us? I was pretty just at the time

660
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: as well, but I knew it was an hallucination. But

661
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: the liberal of accuracy whatever to that dog thing that

662
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: was attacking me was astonishing, even down to feeling gentle

663
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: tapped to my right and the frantic fighting and tugging

664
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: on my neck at my left. Out of my experiences,

665
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: none of them were as downright hostile as that one,

666
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: though I remained I remained rather calm through the experience.

667
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: But it was just a hallucination, But I was more

668
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: or less fascinated by how immediately scary it was. I

669
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 1: knew it wouldn't harm me, but I just rode through

670
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: it and also join us has been a phase that's

671
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: appeared more than once in my audible hallucinations as well.

672
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: Confvention I've been super okay with dogs and I've never

673
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: been bitten or attacked by one before. Only afterwards I

674
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: made the connection between my sleep paralysis incident an HP

675
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: Lovecraft story The Hounds of tender Loops. Could this tactile

676
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: hallucination been a tender loose hound? I wasn't whacked out

677
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: up hard to find an arcotic, but my bed was

678
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: adjacent to a corner on the right side where I

679
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: was sleeping. It did approach through the wall. And sure,

680
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: it's a little absurd, but the connections to the stories

681
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: rather interesting. That was great. Yeah, that guy should run

682
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: for president. This the sound of it. I have to say,

683
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: when I first heard this, I thought it was somebody

684
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: doing this story through like a speech to text program.

685
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: Also wondered that, and then he started. Once he got

686
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: through the intro, his cadence became a little more natural,

687
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: and uh, man, that what a great story. And that's

688
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 1: I just thought that I I just wanted to share. Becauought

689
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: it was funny. But good lord, that's probably the most visceral,

690
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 1: uh tactile, as he put it, one of these sleep

691
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: rouses stories that I've ever personally heard. And I love

692
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: the connection to the love Craft, which I think tickled

693
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: your fancy there, Ben, Yeah, Hounds of Tenderlos was created

694
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: by Frank Bell Knapp Long and then later it was

695
00:41:54,840 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: in incorporated into the Cathulu mythos, which is wich is

696
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: a neat thing. You can do it today. By the way, Joe,

697
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: if you feel like setting your wonderful thoughts and visions

698
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 1: onto paper or keyboard and write this out as a story,

699
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: you very well could join part of the HP Lovecraft methos.

700
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'd like to say, that's actually a pretty

701
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: terrifying vision that Joe has got here. It is wonderful

702
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: that he has that story, but been on, I would

703
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: not want to experience that. That sounds horrifying, like a

704
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: dog gnawing at you while you're hearing someone chanting. Yeah, agreed.

705
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: What's the line between reality and perception as well? You know,

706
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: And I think in that previous sleep Prosis episode, we

707
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: had all talked about whether or not we experienced it,

708
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: and most people, according to the statistics, experience something like this,

709
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: even of it's just being held down or just unable

710
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: to move the hallucinations very I think a big part

711
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: of it's the feeling of pressure on your chest as

712
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: though something's kind of sitting on you. But um, the

713
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: where it gets really interesting is these kind of repeated

714
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: stories of apparitions or you know, ghostly figures, and this

715
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: one and this one really really got really got me.

716
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, thanks for writing and Joe, hope you're getting

717
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: some better sleep calling in. Oh, yes, that's right, calling in.

718
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 1: You're just so well spoken that we we did wonder

719
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: if you had written this down, but yes, massively appreciated

720
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: and speaking of ghostly figures and haunting events, we have

721
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: a voicemail from someone who wishes to remain anonymous out

722
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: there in Chicago. Yo. I wasn't going to contact you guys.

723
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: Um I heard the end of the serial killer podcast.

724
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: You guys just did. I just wanted to say, I'm

725
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: out here in the West side of Chicago, and I'm

726
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: pretty sure there's a serial killer that has been on

727
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: the loose. Uh. Couple of newspapers have done reports about it.

728
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: I think the numbers are like seventy five women have

729
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: been strangled, they're smothered in Chicago, and uh, fifty of

730
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: them are still unsolved. There are you know, a couple

731
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: of arrests for them, but most of the people arrested

732
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: obviously claim that they did not do the crimes they

733
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 1: were arrested for. I guess here's where it gets crazy.

734
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: There are also a string of bodies found burnt in

735
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: dumpsters across the city for the last maybe decade that

736
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: there have been no arrests for. So there may even

737
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: be two serial killers on the loose here in Chicago. Uh.

738
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about you know, they're uh ms.

739
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure multiple weapons have been used to strangle

740
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: these women, but yeah, there might be something you want

741
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: to look into. Definitely touched on your next serial Killer podcast.

742
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: Also a big fan of the show, guys, keep it Wow.

743
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for writing in anonymous in Chicago.

744
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: We appreciated immensely, so much so that we're probably gonna

745
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: need to make this focus of an entire episode itself,

746
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: similar to some of the other things we encountered today.

747
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: The there's there's a fascinating thread here because specifically, this

748
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: caller is referring to things run in the Chicago Tribune,

749
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: So these are stand up papers. In January of two

750
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, the Chicago Tribune ran a special report

751
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: detailing how seventy five women have been strangled or smothered

752
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: in Chicago since two thousand and one. The vast majority

753
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: of their killers got away. So the actual law enforcement

754
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: of Chicago says that there is not any pattern to this.

755
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: The Chicago police are denying any possible serial killer, and

756
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: they're saying that this is the result of digitized hysteria right,

757
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: a social media frenzy, and that they are treating the

758
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: cases of missing or murdered women on a as single

759
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:27,959
Speaker 1: events rather and this I could see how it would

760
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: be difficult to trust the authorities in this situation because

761
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of violence that I think people outside

762
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: of Chicago are not aware of. It's really frustrating how

763
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: how much violence is going on out there as someone

764
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: who is not living there but just continues to read

765
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: about it, and you're like, oh, wow, more people died,

766
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: And then on Lively you'll that's just me. You'll see

767
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: like shootings that happened in Chicago over the weekend and

768
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, Okay, that's unsettling. Great, and you know,

769
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: being so far away from it, but is knowing that

770
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: it's happening and happening and happening and happening. Um, it's

771
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: hard to wrap your head around what it must be

772
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: like to be a police officer or an investigator or

773
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: homicide detective living in that area where there's just so

774
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: much crime occurring at any time, and how bogged down

775
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 1: you're getting. Um, I don't I'm just trying to imagine

776
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: through the eyes of all the people involved here. It's intense.

777
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: And this has probably stayed in the obvious, but I

778
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: mean I was recently there for about a week, and um,

779
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: this is pretty quarantine in terms of the parts of

780
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: the city where this is happening. I think it's pretty

781
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: exclusively like on the South Side of Chicago, I want

782
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: to say, because the areas that I was hanging out

783
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: and it just didn't feel I didn't feel threatened. It

784
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: felt very almost like overly gentrified in kind of a

785
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: little bit of a creepy way, to be honest. Yeah,

786
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: last time I was in Chicago was definitely the South

787
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: Side where this sort of stuff was happening, particularly the

788
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: dumpster discoveries. Vice had a great news piece on this

789
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 1: last year where they noted that Chicago is well known

790
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: for having one of the highest homicide rates in the

791
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: country and one of the worst records for solving murders.

792
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 1: So it is completely possible that there's an isolated event,

793
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: but it's completely understandable that people would believe there was

794
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: a serial killer Chicago. Also, we have to say this

795
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: is not a ding on the current city because we're

796
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: not Chicago natives. Absolutely, but Chicago does have an historic

797
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: reputation for being a very corrupt city where in crimes

798
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: were covered up, you know, dating predating the days of prohibition, right,

799
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: so that timeline check out there, Yeah, it does, it does.

800
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: I remember hearing rumors about I think it was Barack

801
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: Obama who was coming out of Chicago, and they're like,

802
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: oh man, he's a Chicagoan, Like what really? But then yeah,

803
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not I'm not saying there's anything to them,

804
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: there's anything bad about Chicago leaving in Chicago. I'm just

805
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: saying those rumors still subsist from the historical um runnings

806
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: of Chicago. Yeah, and this leads us to a couple

807
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: of questions for you, fellow conspiracy realist. Have you had

808
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: any experience with Chicago. Do you think there's any sand

809
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: to the claims that there's a serial killer loose and

810
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: at work. If so, why or why not because it

811
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: sounds like a lot of locals do believe this despite

812
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: what CPD is saying. Now, well, I was reading just

813
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: now something out of ABC a local affiliate and ABC

814
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: I Witness News and in June, they were specifically looking

815
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: at the deaths of two women. UM, I just want

816
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: to see here so we can put this on our

817
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: list to look out for later. Um Shantia Smith who

818
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: was twenty six and then UM Sadaria Davis, two women

819
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: who were found like West Side building and then in

820
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: Lawndale garage. So anyway, UM, just more information for you

821
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: if you want to look any of this stuff up

822
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: or find something out right to us, please And we're

823
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: getting the signal from our trustee superproducer that we're running

824
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: a little bit long. Well it's not a very nice

825
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: gesture of Paul. Yeah, it's I would describe it as articulate.

826
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: What do you think? There's your control. Baby's got to

827
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: keep us in life. So, so as we leave the

828
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: studio today, we want to end on one last call

829
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 1: and it's not something that we're so much going to

830
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: discuss as something that we wanted to share with you

831
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: to get your own thoughts. Hello, UM, I was calling

832
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: just because there's something on my mind, UM of your show. Unfortunately,

833
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: it seems to be that the more you find out

834
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: about conspiracy being true, or active foreigner political intentions trying

835
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: to I guess what I'm how to get out it is.

836
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: I feel like all we do is learn more and

837
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: more about how there are people trying to form upboats

838
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: on Reddit to gain Internet influence for corporate interests or

839
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: political interests. You find out that there's Russia and internet

840
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: squads meant to cause division and hatred and fatigue on

841
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: comment threads. You find out that news sources are meant

842
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: to inform you, they're meant to cause doubt. Ah. And

843
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: I feel like I had to tap out several months

844
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: ago from just learning more and more about how much

845
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: things have been misleading. UM. I felt a fatigue, I

846
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: felt an anxiety that the only way I could cure

847
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: it was stepping away from learning more and understanding more.

848
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: And it feels like these active parties trying to cause

849
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: this to happen to have one and I don't know

850
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: how to feel about that for my personal health, mental health,

851
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: and my personal comfort. I guess um, I had to

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Speaker 1: step away, and that was their explicit goal, and I

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Speaker 1: just want to know how you guys felt about that.

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00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: I still tune in, I still listen, um, but I

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Speaker 1: just give myself a cushion space between me and finding

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00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: about about the stuff that's really gonna rile me up

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00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: or getting me upset, because it just seems to be

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Speaker 1: hit purpose of people online too, causy feelings for motives

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Speaker 1: that I'll never even begin to understand, or if I

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00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: do understand, we'll just follow me out even more so,

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Speaker 1: I hope to hear from you guys, or at least

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Speaker 1: discuss it or I don't know what do you want

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Speaker 1: to do with this opinion, but um, thank you for

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Speaker 1: hearing me out. Have a good day. I think it's

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Speaker 1: important just to comment quickly on this, just just to

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Speaker 1: say that I think perhaps the three of us had

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Speaker 1: shared some of these have shared some of these feelings

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Speaker 1: at some point. I don't want to speak for you, guys,

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Speaker 1: but just the overwhelming nature of the information that's out there,

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Speaker 1: and the faucets that never close of news and good

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00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: and bad things but mostly bad things occurring, and just

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Speaker 1: how that makes you feel personally, how that affects your

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Speaker 1: mood on a day to day basis. Well not to

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Speaker 1: mention that we kind of have to be tapped into

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Speaker 1: a pretty pretty seven just to make this show and

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00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: other shows that we work on, and it's like our job,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, my kid gives me a hard

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Speaker 1: time because I'm always like looking at my phone and stuff,

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Speaker 1: and I know that I'm sort of feeding the beast

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Speaker 1: in some ways by being tapped in all the time.

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Speaker 1: But I also convinced myself that it's for the greater

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Speaker 1: good of like being tapped in for you know, stuff

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Speaker 1: that I might be able to use to discuss on

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Speaker 1: this or other shows. But at the same time, sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's so overwhelming that like you just feel like you

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00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: you want to just unplug all of it, because yes,

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Speaker 1: it can have a toxic effect on your on your

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Speaker 1: mental health for sure. Um, And then's something I struggle

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Speaker 1: with every day just to try to balance that out

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Speaker 1: and not be so plugged in all the time and

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Speaker 1: also be able to temper some of this negativity with Hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, people are still okay. I like you guys,

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00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: I like everyone that's called in. Yeah. Yeah. The last thing, Ben,

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Speaker 1: I think something he said resonates with something we've discussed

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Speaker 1: before in this where uh he was, he's anonymous, this

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Speaker 1: person they called in he talked about all of these

897
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Speaker 1: entities that are like winning basically the in the fight

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Speaker 1: for control, and just wanted to call him maybe his

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Speaker 1: fears a little bit, just with what we've discussed about

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Speaker 1: how it's a bunch of different entities and they're all

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00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: vying for the same control. It's not one big monolithic entity, right, Yes, Matt,

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00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: that's absolutely right, Anonymous, thank you for writing to us,

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Speaker 1: and we are glad to be able to be the

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Speaker 1: bearers of good news in this situation. It is possible

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Speaker 1: to stay possible that there is some single group that

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Speaker 1: runs the world. However, it is much more probable that

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Speaker 1: there are multiple groups who feel like they deserve to

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Speaker 1: run the world. They are very powerful in certain senses

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00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: and very powerful in certain spheres, and they're not incentivized

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Speaker 1: to get along and vultron into one big overarching thing,

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00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: because what does power do. It turns a lot of

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Speaker 1: people into essentially crappier versions of themselves, and those crappier

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Speaker 1: versions of someone are going to be much less likely

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Speaker 1: to cooperate with someone else who is powerful. They will

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Speaker 1: be seen as a rival, a frenemy, of convenience or

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Speaker 1: a threat to be eliminated, so it's very rare. While

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Speaker 1: we're thanking people who want to thank Christine, Michael, Alice, Samantha,

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Speaker 1: Dr Dan, A Joe and our other anonymous listener in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: And if you have feelings about anything, if you have

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Speaker 1: thoughts anything, any stories you want to share, just write

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