1 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spaffer, joined as always 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: by my partner and everything Packers, Wes Hodkwitz. Coming to 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: you hear from our studios at lambeau Field to discuss 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: wes a twenty seven to twenty three victory in the 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: desert over the Arizona Cardinals. It wasn't pretty by any stretch. 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: But as I wrote at the very beginning of my 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: game recap, after getting on the bus for that long 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: ride to the airport out there, going from Glendale to 10 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: the stadium in Glendale to the airport in Phoenix, this 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: game was all about which team executed at crunch time, 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: and in this game, that was the Green Bay Packers. 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was funny, Okay, So you and I were 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: sitting there at the press conference on Monday morning, so 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: a lot of the media are still coming back. Bill 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: Huber's there with us, Jason Wildey to credential journalists who 17 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: do not travel, so they were able to be there 18 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: for the press conference while a lot of the other 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: beatcorps were still on their way back from Arizona. And 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: it was funny listening we all kind of were just 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: filibustering and talking amongst ourselves about like, there's there's so 22 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: much that happened in this game, you couldn't really cover 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 2: all of it. Yeah right, I mean in that it's 24 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: the NFL. There's a lot of variables, there's a lot 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: of players, there's a lot of situations. I thought you 26 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: did a great job, you know, with one of your 27 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: game stories, kind of like really zeroing in on that, 28 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: you know, fourth down conversion. I mean, that might end 29 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: up going down as one of the biggest plays of 30 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: the Packers season. But I was just sitting there thinking 31 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: to myself, like Lucas Haversk's sixty one yard field goal 32 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: franchise record critical time, kind of gave them some juice 33 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: back a little bit at a time in which they 34 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: needed it. Micah Parsons has these three sacks, and two 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: of them in the fourth quarter, four pressures in the 36 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: fourth quarter, has one of the best games of his career. 37 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: Was a nuisance for all four quarters for Arizona to 38 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: deal with, and they were trying to match up with 39 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: him one on one. But then you think about it, 40 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: You're like, well, Rashan Gary had the strip sack that 41 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: allowed the Packers to turn the tide to ten point swing. 42 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: They can Packers first takeaway since week three. 43 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: Yes, and like the ends up becoming a Josh Jacobs touchdown. 44 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs scores two touchdowns. Josh Jacobs had a calf 45 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 2: injury that developed on Friday, didn't know whether he was 46 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: gonna play. He was a game time decision. The Packers 47 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: end up having a situation where they're playing doesn't leave 48 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: at the right time, so then they're delayed back in 49 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: Green Bay and they get in late, and Josh Jacobs 50 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: has to cancel plans with his family, and the list 51 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: goes on and on and on of stuff that happened. 52 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: But to your an intro, to me is what mattered 53 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 2: the most. Yeah, and that's when the Packers needed to win. 54 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: The football game wasn't perfect three first three quarters, but 55 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: the defense, after struggling to keep teams out of the 56 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: end zone the last few weeks, had some big stops. 57 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: And offensively, I mean, Jordan Love has just been nails man. 58 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: I mean when they've needed big moments like that fourth 59 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: down pass to Tucker Kraft for fifteen yards. That really 60 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: that's where the game was decided. Love lafleor this team 61 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: they trusted in each other. They picked up their fourth 62 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: winning the season. 63 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: It was quite the sequence there down the stretch because 64 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: the Cardinals had taken a twenty three to twenty lead, 65 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: the Packers' offense had stalled out, they had to punt. 66 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: It was on the defense at that point to get 67 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: the ball back to not allow it to become a 68 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: two score game, and it came down to a fourth 69 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: and one right near midfield. The Cardinals decided to go 70 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: for it. Not a huge surprise the way the game 71 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: has played these days. I still thought, maybe just because 72 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: of how they had drawn the Packers offside a couple 73 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: of times during the game, that maybe they were gonna 74 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: bluff and see if they could just get the free 75 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: five yards on the fourth and one. But they tried 76 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: the sneak with Jacoby Burssett, got stuffed, gave the short 77 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: field to the Packers the fourth and two. The Packers 78 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: had lost a yard on a third and one, and 79 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur explained on Monday, it was going backwards there 80 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: from third and one to fourth and two that initially 81 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: he's like, all right, I'm just going to kick the 82 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: field goal and then he saw the look on Jordan 83 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: Love's face called the time out to reconsider, think about 84 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: it a little bit more like, all right, nope, let's 85 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: go for the first down. You mentioned it's the past 86 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: to Craft, who's actually the third option on the play. 87 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: It was a kind of a bunch formation to the left, 88 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: three receivers, three different routes. You got an out to 89 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: the sticks, you gotta pivot inside to the sticks, and 90 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: then you've got Craft on the corner route, which is 91 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: really the only downfield route of the combination. And he's 92 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: the third option on the play. Love sees the other 93 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: two guys are covered. He's got to put it out 94 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: there for Craft. He makes the catch, gets the feed 95 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: in bounds, and then Josh Jacobs finishes the deal three 96 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: straight runs, punches it into the end zone, and then 97 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: the defense then with a four point lead, as opposed 98 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: to if the Packers had kicked and tied the game, 99 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: the defense would have had to stop the Cardinals from 100 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: getting a field goal. They had the whole field to defend. 101 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: The Packers were up by four, Cardinals needed to get 102 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: a touchdown. Sure enough, the Cardinals got into field goal range, 103 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: but Micah Parsons third sack of the game comes out 104 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: of big time, sets them up in tough down and distance. 105 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: It eventually becomes a fourth and ten, fourth and eleven 106 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: situation and a heave to the end zone, which was act. 107 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: I didn't realize this at the time because it was 108 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: in the end zone that was opposite of the press box. 109 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: But the pass was actually caught. It was just caught 110 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: out the back of the end zone, you know, well 111 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: out of bounds crunch time. I said this. I said 112 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: this an insider inbox. And there's a lot to cover 113 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: from this game, as you mentioned. But in the NFL, 114 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: where the margins are so slim, failing in crunch time 115 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: can undo a lot of good football, yep. And succeeding 116 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: in crunch time can cover up for some bad football. 117 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: And at the end of the days, it's about getting wins. 118 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: Lafleur said it himself on Monday. This is a results 119 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: oriented business. What everyone the only thing anybody cares about 120 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: is whether you win or lose the game at the 121 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: end of the day. And this was one that you know, 122 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: this was one to me it felt like the Packers 123 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: quite frankly escaped Arizona because they had trailed trailed for 124 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: most of the game, and things did not look good 125 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: until that fourth and one stop on the quarterback sneak. 126 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: I'm glad it went down the way it did, though, 127 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: because we saw in Cleveland where they you know, kind 128 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 2: of controlled that game against the Browns the entire time, 129 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: but then had it slip away from them in the 130 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 2: waning moments exactly almost the same spot that the Cardinals 131 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 2: were in with this game. With a few more points 132 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: put on the board, this time, Green Bay had to 133 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 2: play the role of the comeback. And I'll tell you what, Mike, 134 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: when it was thirteen to three, the kind of felt 135 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: a little I don't want to say insurmountable, but it 136 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: was getting it to be a dire straight there because 137 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, well this offense with Jacoby Brissett, which 138 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: just had three hundred and twenty passing yards of the 139 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: previous week, well, now he is clicking with Trey McBride. 140 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison has a little bit of scare there with 141 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: an incomplete pass, but then he's making explosive plays. And 142 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison, man, there's a couple mentals, you know, concentration 143 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: things he has to get sorted out. But when that 144 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: guy figures it all out, is going to be a 145 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 2: real problem for this league, just like he was in college. 146 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: I mean, his talent is limitless, needless to say so Arizona, 147 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: who's had a litany of different running backs, they're on 148 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: their backup quarterback. Things are really trending in the opposite, 149 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: in the wrong direction, and in my opinion, I felt 150 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: like not to jump into some of stuff I'm sure 151 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: you want to talk about. For Green Bay to make 152 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: a gutsy call there, especially after everything that happened with 153 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: Dallas last month, to try to get one play with 154 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: one time out left, to give yourself a shot at 155 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: a field goal. That was the turning point in that game. 156 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: Romeo Dobbs, that's the guy for Jordan Love gets twenty 157 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: two yards there just enough room for Lucas Haversec and 158 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: that unit to go out there. And his Haversack was 159 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: talking to me about in the locker room afterwards. You know, 160 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: he didn't have a great pre game, he wasn't feeling awesome, 161 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: but as he said, sometimes you just have to focus 162 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: and you have to put everything away from and just 163 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: be like all the reps, all the time that you've 164 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: put into this thing, and the guy went out there 165 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: and hit a field goal about as solid as you 166 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: can hit one. Yeah, and the Packers go into the 167 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: halftime down only by one score. 168 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I even thought after the completion to 169 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: Dobbs there and the time out there's one second on 170 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: the clock, I thought, oh, you know, now they'll just 171 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: try hail Mary. I mean, I just I didn't think, 172 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: you know, a substitute kicker, you know that you're going 173 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: to try a sixty one yarder. And it wasn't one 174 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: of those where he it wasn't one of those long 175 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: kicks where it's like low trajectory and maybe flutters alone 176 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: little bit and somehow just clears the crossbar. I mean, 177 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: it was the right type of trajectory of the kick 178 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: and everything, and he just he just nailed it. 179 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: It looked like a kickoff. 180 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it was really impressive. He gets the 181 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: franchise record. There are three yards longer than any field 182 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: goal in franchise history. Mason crosby fifty eight yarder at 183 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: the Metrodome in twenty eleven against the Vikings was the 184 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: previous franchise record. Hats off to Haversick. As you said earlier, 185 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: I thought it did. I thought it did give the 186 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: Packers a little bit of juice, and it didn't result 187 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: in an immediate change at the start of the second 188 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: half because the Packers offense stalled out again and punted 189 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: the ball, but the defense then on the opening possession 190 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: for the Cardinals of the second half, Rashan Gary gets 191 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: the strips at Kolbe. Wooden gets the pressure up the middle, 192 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: which then you know, Brisset adjusts himself in the pock 193 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: and then Gary's coming at him and knocks the ball out. 194 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: Evan Williams recovers a short field there, forty four yards 195 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: and a Packers offense that was just struggling suddenly just 196 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: takes four plays forty four yards in the end zone. 197 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: And the combination of that with the three points on 198 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: the sixty one yard or at the end of the 199 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: first half, the thirteen to three deficits erased. It's thirteen 200 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: to thirteen. It's a brand new ballgame. You've got most 201 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: of the second half left to go, and at that 202 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: point it's like, all right, here we go. Who's going 203 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: to take this thing? 204 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 2: For sure? And I'm glad you mentioned the Wooden thing too, 205 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: because Micah Parsons went out of his way to praise 206 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: Kobe Wooden after the game for not only the play 207 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: that you mentioned there, but some of the stuff that 208 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: he set up for Parsons as well. Kobe had probably 209 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: with right along with the Lions game, probably his best 210 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 2: game of the season inside, both against the run and 211 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: also getting some push. That's what they missed with Devonte 212 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: Wide is being able to collapse that pocket a little 213 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 2: bit and against quarterbacks that want to stand in there 214 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: and get the ball out quick, that's really what you 215 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: need most, even more than edge ushers at that point. 216 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: So that being said, the Packers have shown in affinity 217 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 2: in this early part of the season to get out 218 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: of the blocks quick for the most part in the 219 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: second half, that has been the probably the hallmark of 220 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: this team. The biggest complimentary phase of football that they've 221 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: played is their ability to win. The defenses is giving 222 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: up some points. The offense responds. When the offense has 223 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: struggled to get going, it's the defense that's keeping them minute. 224 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: And in this particular case, I thought it was the 225 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: best example of both sides picking each other up because 226 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: once again Josh Jacobs did get going out for people. 227 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: I kind of breezed right through that. But the situation 228 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 2: on Friday was he ends up tweaking his calf, you know, 229 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: and in practice it was a full participant, but it 230 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 2: was something he had coming out of practice, and he's 231 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: really it was touch and go whether or not he 232 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 2: was going to be able to play in this thing, 233 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: compounded by the fact that green Bay does have a 234 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: mechanical issue getting out, so they're waiting out in Green 235 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: Bay for about five hours. He said, you know, he's 236 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 2: direction the best he could. He was walking around, he 237 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 2: had a sleeve on it. It is just a nightmare 238 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: scenario for a running back to be going through this 239 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 2: and not being able to get treatment, you know, not 240 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 2: being able to get near rhythm. 241 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: And then knowing you have a three and a half 242 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: hour flight, you've got to start in an airplane seat, 243 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: you know, before then you can get to the hotel 244 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: and get another round of treatment to see if you 245 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: can play the next day. I mean, you're right, it's 246 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: an absolute nightmare scenario from an injury standpoint. 247 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, And he said, you know, he ended up going 248 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: out for the pregame warm up, and you know, he 249 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: credited the packers' training staff staff he credit the coaches. 250 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: He was thankful for how much they are trying to 251 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: protect him. But he did say he's like, I know 252 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: my body, I've been through this before. He tweaked his 253 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: calf before in a game in twenty twenty two, I 254 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: believe it was before they played Seattle when he was 255 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: with the Raiders. The guy ends up going off for 256 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: three hundred and three yards from scrimmage in that game. 257 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: So he felt confident that if he could get himself 258 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: mentally to a certain point, he was going to be 259 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: able to do it. The Packers still were somewhat cautious 260 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: with him. It's why you only saw him take I 261 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 2: think it was ten snaps in the first half. Saw 262 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: a lot of Emmanuel Wilson Chris Brooks involvement, but when 263 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: the game was on the line, they turned back to 264 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: their running back. And I loved Matt Leaflour's comment, this 265 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: is zipping ahead a little bit. But the two back 266 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: to back runs that ultimately end up putting the Packers 267 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: in the lead for the first time all day. La 268 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: floor even equipped. While the offensive line had a pretty 269 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: soliday overall, not sure if they blocked anybody. In most 270 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 2: particular plays the seven yard run will not go down 271 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: in any NFL films highlight reels of Josh Jacobs. But 272 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: I thought that that play specific really epitomize what he's 273 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: been in Green Bay, and that is, when something's not there, 274 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 2: he makes something happen. And he pulled seven yards out 275 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 2: of nowhere to then put himself in a position from 276 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: the one yard line to punch that thing in. Put 277 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: Green Bay up with a buck fifty left. And as 278 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: Laflour said afterwards, the Packers do not win this game 279 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 2: without Josh Jacobs. He came to play. 280 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you want to know, if you want 281 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: to get a sense of just the type of competitor 282 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: and passionate individual that Josh Jacobs is, take a look 283 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: on Packers dot Com at the locker room speech after 284 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: the game. Because this wasn't a locker room speech that 285 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: was just about Matt Lefuer giving out game balls, and 286 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: which he did to Lucas Haversick and to Uh, to 287 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: Micah Parsons and to Josh Jacobs. But look at what 288 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: Jacobs has to say, and look at how he says it, 289 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: and then take a look at what Tucker Craft has 290 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: to say. You're talking about a third year tight end 291 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: who's coming into his own makes the clutch catch on 292 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: fourth down. And the leadership that you're seeing from a 293 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: young guy like like Tucker Craft and what he means 294 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: to that locker room. I mean, it just it gives you. 295 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: It gives you a sense just watching that video. It's 296 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes long, but it gives you 297 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: a sense of of the the humans that are in 298 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: that locker room that they aren't just they aren't just 299 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: football players. And and for as ugly as this game was, 300 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: that times that win meant a lot to those guys. 301 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up by because 302 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 2: I got a little bit of salt and pepper in 303 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: my hair at this point. You know, I got a 304 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: couple of years under my belt, and one of the 305 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: things that's been eye opening for me the last two 306 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: seasons is much similar to probably like what you experienced 307 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: in nine and ten and eleven is you're starting to 308 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: see guys, I've I had a whole ten years on 309 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: the beat before Tucker Craft came into town, a whole 310 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: you know, thirteen years on the beat before Josh Jacobs 311 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: got signed. I saw Mercedes Lewis in that locker room, 312 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: Julius Pepper's in that locker room. You know, guys that 313 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: were the leaders back then. What I never experienced was, 314 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: for the most part, the young guys then picking up 315 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: those you know, those torches. Yeah, and that's what you're 316 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: seeing now. That's why Josh Shacobs is wearing a sea, 317 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: That's why Tucker Craft has that sea on his chest. 318 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: And when you see guys get drafted and then a 319 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: different era, a different generation of Packer players begins, it's 320 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: special to watch. And I'm sure you're gonna want to 321 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: get into it a little bit too. But I want 322 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: to say this. I mean the way that Micah Parsons 323 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: has brought himself into this locker room now and integrated 324 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: himself with his teammates. The fact that this guy's been 325 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: here for not even two months. Yes, he made a 326 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: lot of plays, but seeing the way that Xavier McKinney 327 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: reacted to him. So in the middle of parsons media 328 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: scrum with you know, Xavier McKinney's coming over and hooting 329 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: and hollering at him, you have all these guys that 330 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: are embracing him. That's where that culture comes from. That 331 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: when a new guy, doesn't matter if you're a superstar, 332 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you're an undrafted free agent. When that 333 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: guy comes into the fold, there is in opening it 334 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: and in just open arms around that individual. That's what 335 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: culture is and that's where the Packers are at. 336 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's definitely played a factor for Green Bay 337 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: this year. I do want to say in addition with 338 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: regard to Parsons, because there were a lot of people, 339 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, call them the skeptics or 340 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: the haters or whatever. But parsons first game, he gets 341 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: his first sack against the Detroit Lions. But then you know, 342 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: there's all these folks out there, Oh it was garbage time. 343 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: The game had been put away. You know, that's all 344 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: you're gonna get for your one hundred and eighty eight 345 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: million dollars. Well, Michah Parsons got a sack of Dak 346 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: Prescott in overtime that saved a tie, turned to what 347 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: could have been a loss, in helping to get a 348 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: tie there for the Packers. In this game in Arizona, 349 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: he gets two third down sacks in the red zone 350 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: that force field goals. Those are four point plays. That's 351 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: Micah Parsons taking eight points off the board, and then 352 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: he gets the third sack in crunch time the final 353 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: drive when the Cardinals are knocking on the door to 354 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: the red zone. They're not quite there yet, but on 355 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: first down he buries Perseet, puts him in the long 356 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: yarded situation, and then ultimately it becomes the turnover on downs. 357 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: With the fourth down heave to the end zone out 358 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: the back Micah Parsons. He I'm not sure why the 359 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: Cardinals decided to try to block him the way that 360 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: they did, but man, he he made plays in the 361 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: biggest moments of this game, and not any not players 362 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: like that. You can't do that every single week. That's 363 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: not how the league works. But when you do it 364 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: in a game like this, like Micah Parsons did, that's 365 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: why Michaeh Parsons gets the contract that he gets, because 366 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: it's games like this that you don't You don't get 367 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: the win without those plays that he made. 368 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 2: Bottom line, Yeah, I take a little bit of different 369 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: viewpoint about how the Cardinals defended him because or I 370 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: guess it'd be defend the offense defending the defend player. 371 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: But how they you know, they matched up with him. 372 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 2: I have no problem with the fact that they tried 373 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: to go one on one with him early on. I 374 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 2: on a respect it. I think that's the way this 375 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 2: game is played. I think it is trying to figure out, Hey, 376 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 2: comparis Johnson handled this guy, and that's your best on 377 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: best if you're if your left tackle can take care 378 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 2: of him. That The Packers won a lot of football 379 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: games over the years by David Baktiari doing that sort 380 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 2: of thing. What surprised me is he was giving them 381 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 2: all sorts of problems for the first three quarters. I 382 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: am stunned with their approach to him in the fourth quarter. Yeah, 383 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 2: that's where I would have thought you would have had 384 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 2: the added attention. Now, you gotta remember, I don't know 385 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 2: how much too tight end they operate in. Trey McBride 386 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 2: is basically out on every single route. He's not He 387 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 2: might chip here and there, but he's not staying in 388 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: as an inline blocker. And I you know, it is 389 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: what it is. But what I loved about Parsons in 390 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: this game. And I'm telling you, man, I got home 391 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 2: next day, I'm sitting down with my dad eating some 392 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: food and we're kind of breaking down the game a 393 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: little bit, and I said to him, I'm like, this 394 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 2: is the best defensive player I've covered. I didn't get 395 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 2: Charles Woodson during the NFL Defensive Player of the Year 396 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: like you did. I didn't get Klay Matthews the first 397 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 2: two seasons like you did. Since two thousand twelve, this 398 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: is the most impactful player I've witnessed because it's all 399 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 2: over the place. I mean, Sadarius Smith had some great moments. 400 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: Clay Matthews was phenomenal at times, well, phenomenal a lot, 401 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 2: but I mean like dominant at times. You know, Julius 402 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 2: Pepper's brought something in the mid two thousands. Micah Parsons 403 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: is one of the elite of the elite, and when 404 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 2: you watch that guy play snap after snap, down after down, 405 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 2: it is incredible. I don't know if you saw the statistic, Michael, 406 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 2: but right now, and I think it's through NFLGSIS or 407 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: in next gen stats, but pars is on pace for 408 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 2: over one hundred pressures this season. And if I saw 409 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 2: the statistic right last year with Shaun Gary led the 410 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: Packers with forty nine, Mike is almost at forty already. 411 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: The sacks, the relentlessness, I think He's been much better 412 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: against the run than people give him credit for. I 413 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: think he's been tenacious. I think he's been really gap 414 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: sound when the instances that he's been put in that position. 415 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: Oh and then, by the way, they were down Lucas 416 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: Vans in this game, and yet they still had twelve 417 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 2: quarterback hits, they still had six sacks. Kingsleyanning Bari played 418 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: a whale of a football game the Packers. When you 419 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: talk about guys that are bringing out the best not 420 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: only in themselves but the rest of the squad, Michaeh 421 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: Parsons is that dude, and I am so excited to 422 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: see where this season goes for him. Him and Rashan 423 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 2: Gary now both at five and a half sacks on 424 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: the year. I felt like that game in itself was 425 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: something Green Bay's defense can really build on, even though 426 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: there were plenty of things to clean up, you know, 427 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: throughout Yeah. 428 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: I was asked about Parsons in the Insider inbox and 429 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: the answer that I wrote on the plane flight on 430 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: the way back was that he's the most relentless defensive 431 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: player that I've ever covered. And that's saying something because 432 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to take anything away from Clay Matthews, 433 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: because when Clay Matthews was in his heyday, he was 434 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: awfully relentless as a pass rusher. But I think Micah 435 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: Parsons is another step above that, and that's saying something. 436 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: Couple things to touch on, though, and these are I 437 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: guess I would say the area is to clean up 438 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: for the Packers. The penalties were an issue in this game. 439 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: Mikeah Parsons was guilty of a couple of them. He got, 440 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: I know, we don't have time to go into the 441 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: whole hip drop tackle thing, but he also jumped off 442 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: side for like the third or fourth time or whatever 443 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: this year, so he's got some stuff to work on. 444 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: The offense had the pre snap penalties, so the penalties 445 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: are definitely an issue. What really hurt the defense in 446 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: this game was the third and longs. Yeah, I mean 447 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: you've got and the third and twenty three was a 448 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: combination in the sense of Baron Surrell, the rookie jumps 449 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: off side, Jacoby Burssett sees the flag and knows he's 450 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: got a free play on third and twenty twenty three, 451 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: so he just chucks it, you know, down the field. 452 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: Evan Williams can't quite get over there in time to 453 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: break up the deep ball, and it gets caught for 454 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: a forty three yard games So you give up a 455 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: third and twenty three, But you gave that up in 456 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: part because you gave the quarterback a free play. He 457 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: was able to take the deep shot downfield later in 458 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: the game a third and fourteen. I mean, that's for 459 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: the way the Packers defense is played, and particularly on 460 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: third down this season. These types of plays are the 461 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 1: highest percentage that you get for Green Bay's defense. But 462 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: we heard from Matt Lafleur on Monday is a zone 463 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: defense that was called, but Nate Hobbs was playing pressman, 464 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,239 Speaker 1: so there was some sort of a miscommunication there. He 465 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: gets attacked as the pressman corner, but the rest of 466 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: the secondary's not in that type of coverage and so 467 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: you end up giving up a third and fourteen. That one, 468 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: as well as the third and twenty three in the 469 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: first half, both lead to touchdowns for the Cardinals. My 470 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: point in saying all this, but what gets frustrating is 471 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: it's sort of repeating some points along the way, But 472 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: it is clear and obvious the plays that are there 473 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: that the Packers' defense needs to make. So when this 474 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: defense is struggling, I don't think it's that far off 475 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: because it shouldn't be. They shouldn't be giving up a 476 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: third and twenty three. They shouldn't be giving up a 477 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: third and fourteen. But they've got to start making those 478 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: plays and then this defense can get back to looking 479 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: like the unit that it was in the first couple 480 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: weeks of the season. So I know there's frustration out 481 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: there and the players themselves. We heard from Xavier McKinney 482 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: after the game. He's not happy with how the defense 483 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: played in this game. They know they can play better, 484 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: they know that they need to play better. But I'm 485 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: to me, it's to me, it's not something where they're 486 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: just like way off. It's about certain instances situational football 487 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: where they need to hold their water at the line 488 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: of scrimmage and then execute the call and get and 489 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: have everybody on the same page to execute that call. 490 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: And I think this defense gets back to where it was. 491 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what's fun for me? And I know everybody, 492 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: especially the critics of the Wes Hodquitz insider in boxes, 493 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 2: we'll say it's being way too you know, rose colored 494 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: glasses and sunny side up here. But I'll tell you what, 495 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: when you talk about defenses that struggle, it's given up 496 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 2: five hundred passing yards to Philip Rivers, right, It's you know, 497 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 2: Adrian Peterson running all over you. It's Colin Kaepernick having 498 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 2: an all time day in a playoff game. 499 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: Right. 500 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 2: So that's why I take things with a grain of salt. 501 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 2: What I love about this defense is, and I wrote 502 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: about this in the column on Tuesday, it's a good defense. 503 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: It's a very good defense. They're six in total yards. 504 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 2: They're first and passing plays allowed, passing yards allowed per 505 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 2: pass play, they're first against the run. They're pretty good 506 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: in all the situational phases of the game. But this 507 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: group wants to be iconic. They want to be legendary, 508 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 2: and that's what they're trying to work towards. It's so 509 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: much different when you're trying to do that as opposed to, Hey, 510 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 2: how do we prevent the opposing quarterback from throwing four 511 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,239 Speaker 2: hundred yards and four touchdowns against us? That's not the 512 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 2: problem right now. It's how can we go from being 513 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 2: a good defense to being exceptional? That that's the exciting 514 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 2: part about it. You're absolutely right though there's things they 515 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 2: got to clean up. I would like to say this, 516 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: and I know we only have so much time. Hannah's 517 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: got to get to lunch at some point. I want 518 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 2: everybody to be able to go about their day. But 519 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 2: just to touch on the hip drop tackle really quick, 520 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 2: because you had to edit this an insider inbox and 521 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: I would love to hear your take on it. I 522 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 2: did a lot of research on the hip drop tackle. 523 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: I was at the owner's meetings when it all got 524 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: approved and everything. My original belief, and maybe you watch 525 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: a lot more outside football than I do. I've not 526 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 2: seen it called yet in terms of a flag. My 527 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 2: original belief when that the league originally sold this was we, 528 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 2: much like the crown of the Helmet rule with running backs, 529 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 2: is we are going to try. We want to make 530 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: the game safer. That's why the rules there. It should 531 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: absolutely be there, but you can't make it a flagable 532 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 2: offense or a finable offense without making it a flaggable offense. 533 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 2: So they were trying to catch it on review. You. 534 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: My understanding of the rule was that this is something 535 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: to prohibit the ball carriers downfield from being susceptible or 536 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 2: a scrambling quarterback can being susceptible if I've never seen 537 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 2: it called at all. I've never seen it happen within 538 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 2: the pocket when a quarterbacks of the process of getting sacked. 539 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: Okay, no, and and I hear what I hear what 540 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: you're saying. 541 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 2: That I'm happy to be wrong here, but this is 542 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: why I. 543 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: Hear what you're saying. And I need I need to 544 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: look at the play again when I when I saw 545 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: the replay and I saw the way Parsons tackled Burset, 546 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, that pretty much looks like the definition 547 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: of the hip drop tackle. I understand why they threw 548 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: the flag. For me, I thought Burssett was kind of 549 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: scrambling and had gotten out of the pocket, so that's 550 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: why they threw the flag. Now, it is the first 551 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: time I've seen it thrown in a in a live game, 552 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 1: and I've heard other comments that this is only the 553 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: second time basically over the last two years since they 554 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: implemented this rule, it's only the second time that it 555 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: that it has been flagged during a game. What I 556 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: remember hearing from the league is that they the League 557 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: was essentially sending a message that they were fine with 558 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: adjudicating this with the fines after the fact they wanted. 559 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: They laid out all of the specific criteria and what 560 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: they wanted. They want the officials on the field to 561 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: be absolutely one hundred percent sure that that is what 562 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: they see if they're going to throw the flag in 563 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: the game, because they don't have a mechanism, which I 564 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: think is where the flaw is and the rule, they 565 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: don't have the mechanism within the rules to look at 566 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: it afterwards and decide, Okay, if they threw the flag, 567 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: can they pick it up and say and say no, 568 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: it's not right. So that's why it's been called very 569 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: very rarely. And we'll see if we hear later in 570 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: the week if Michael Parsons does get a fine for it. 571 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: I looked at one replay in the press box at 572 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: the time that it happened, and my initial reaction was, yeah, 573 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: I kind of get it. I can see I can 574 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: see why he through the flag there. 575 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 2: I just can't believe they saw it, to be honest. 576 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: With you, No, and and and it's true because it 577 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't a scramble way out into the open 578 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: field or anything. But I thought he was kind of 579 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: scrambling up the middle and had kind of gotten out 580 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: of the pocket. And and that's why that's why the flag. 581 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a tough one. It's a tough 582 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: one for defensive players, but it's it's really a matter 583 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: of as a defensive player, you have to train yourself, 584 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: I think now, in order to avoid this that when 585 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: you if you're grabbing onto somebody from behind, you have 586 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: to keep your own legs. You can't, yeah, you can't, 587 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: you know it. You can't think of a tackle as 588 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: trying to grab somebody and pull them back, because if 589 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: you to pull them back, you have to lift your 590 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: own legs and then and as you say, become weightless 591 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: and then and then that's what's going to lead to 592 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: the to the violation as opposed to it's almost more 593 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: like you have to grab and hang on, yeah, and 594 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: and uh and try to drag him down that way. 595 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: But but anyway, interesting discussion, and we'll see, we'll see 596 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: what happens if the if on the film review, if 597 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: Parsons does indeed get a fine and the league confirms 598 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: that the call in the field was right or or 599 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: perhaps not. 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Six of them are 618 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: at five and two and because of a scheduling quirk 619 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: that gave the Packers an early buy and b the 620 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: rarity of an overtime tie. The Packers are the only 621 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: team in the NFC with just one loss, with the 622 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: with the four one and one record. But I'm telling you, 623 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: this is already shaping up. And I know we're going 624 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: to talk all about the Pittsburgh Steelers and Aaron Rodgers 625 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: in this next matchup on our next show. And we're 626 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: only in the middle of October here, but this is 627 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: already shaping up into a situation where there are going 628 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: to be some good teams in the NFC that will 629 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: not be able to crack that top seven and get 630 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: into the postseason. That's just that's the way this is 631 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: looking now. Obviously, anything can change, injuries and all that 632 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: will affect lots of teams moving forward, all that kind 633 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: of stuff. But man, a four to one on one 634 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: team and then six teams at five and two all 635 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: in the same conference. Yeah, this is crazy. 636 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 2: It's crazy. They're mostly coming out of two divisions too, right, 637 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: Like the North and the West are again going to 638 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: be just meat grinders, Right, You're going to get a 639 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 2: champion from the East, you know, potentially here it'll look 640 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 2: like it'll be Philly. You're gonna get a champion from 641 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: the South. It's definitely looking like it's gonna be Tampa, Tampa. 642 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: But my goodness, this race in those other two divisions 643 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 2: is going to be wild to watch. I mean, the 644 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: Bears took care of business against the Saints. They did 645 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 2: exactly what a good football team should do against a 646 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 2: bad football team. 647 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: And the Bears are the team that's right below all 648 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: the five and two teams because they're at four and 649 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: two because they've also had an early buy Yeah. 650 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 2: And then you know, you look at how this is 651 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: unfolded in so many different ways. It's just hilarious. Where 652 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 2: you know, certainly the Cowboys just went and gave it 653 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 2: to the Washington Commanders at the same time, so they 654 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 2: go to three, three and one. The same time, the 655 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers have one of the most wacky games that 656 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 2: you're going to see against a winless Jets team in 657 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 2: which they lose Bryce Young, so Andy Dalton has to 658 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 2: finish that game. It just, dude, it just shows you 659 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 2: we focused so much on well, it wasn't the prettiest win. 660 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: The scratching and clawing that has happened in the NFL 661 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 2: so far this season for victories, there have been so 662 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 2: few examples of like the Kansas City Chiefs just destroying 663 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 2: the Las Vegas Raiders. All most of these games have 664 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 2: been so down to the wire. You look at what 665 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 2: happened with Denver, I mean the ending of that game, as. 666 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: The Giants man the Broncos score thirty three points in 667 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter when they entered the fourth quarter with zero, 668 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: which is an NFL record for a team that was 669 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: shut out through three quarters to put up thirty three 670 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: in the fourth and get the win, mostly thanks to 671 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: the Giants kicker missing a couple of extra points. Yeah, 672 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: in that game. I mean, just you know that crazy 673 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: crazy stuff. Here's the other thing all throughout there when 674 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 1: we're talking about scheduling quirks and whatnot. That So one 675 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: of these six five and two teams in the NFC 676 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: is the Los Angeles Rams. And I think the Rams 677 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: are you know, I mean, their defense is good Stafford 678 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: and DeVante Adams, and you know what they're doing on offense, 679 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: they're they're seem to be getting it going. The Los 680 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: Angeles Rams are five and oh against the AFC and 681 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: oh and two against the NFC, and now all they 682 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: have left after their bye week coming back from London, 683 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: all they have left or NFC opponents the rest of 684 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: the season is because they played five AFC games, five 685 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: games against AFC teams and they've won them all. So 686 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: that so that's how they got there. They're at five 687 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: and two. There's just there's weird stuff going on. It's 688 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: it's weird, and there's there's all these things that are 689 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: going to be sorted out over the next I mean, 690 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: what is this going to be two and a half 691 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: months deflee before the end of the regular season. All 692 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: kinds of stuff to be sorted out. But man, this 693 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 1: looks like this just looks nuts. 694 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 2: Right now, you go over to the AFC and the 695 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 2: Colts are just beating the Chargers and they're at six 696 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 2: wins already. I wonder how many people had the Colts 697 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 2: for six or fewer wins on the season, right and 698 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 2: now they're off to the start that they're off to. 699 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 2: It's fun, man, it's a fun game. It's a week 700 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 2: to week league. Philadelphia goes from the world is against them, 701 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 2: Zadarius Smith is retiring, Jalen Hurts can do no right, 702 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 2: and then suddenly he goes up against Minnesota and can 703 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 2: do no wrong. 704 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: One fifty eight point three maximum passer rating on the 705 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: road at us Bank Stadium, and the Eagles get a 706 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: win over Minnesota. 707 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's fun. This is the best thing about 708 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 2: football though, right Nobody saw Indianapolis coming. Nobody saw, I mean, 709 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 2: to an extent, the new New England Patriots coming. They're 710 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 2: fine to two right, the Baltimore is one in five. 711 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: That's the thing. The three, the three teams right now, 712 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: the three teams in the NFL that are on the 713 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: longest current winning streaks, the Colts, the Patriots, and the Bears. 714 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: Like who would have who th middle of October, in 715 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: the middle of October that the three longest active winning 716 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: streaks in the NFL right now would be the Colts, Patriots, 717 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 1: and Bears. But that's where we are. Yeah. 718 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,919 Speaker 2: Four wins that are wow. Yeah, I mean, football's fun. Man. 719 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 2: Oh and then, by the way, the Green Bay Packers 720 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 2: are going to Pittsburgh on Sunday, Sunday night Footbriday Night 721 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 2: Football against and Aaron Rodgers. 722 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: Against the former quarterback here, the four time MVP, the 723 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer Aaron Rodgers. We got all that 724 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: to talk about on our next show, but we got 725 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: to call it a rap on this show. So be 726 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: sure to follow all of our coverage of the team 727 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: on Packers dot com all week long, everything leading up 728 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: to the showdown with the Steelers. We'll have it for 729 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 1: you on our website for Wes. I am Mike. Thank 730 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 1: you for tuning in everybody. We will see you next time.