WEBVTT - The Birth of Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer over

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<v Speaker 1>at how Stuff Works and I love all things tech,

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<v Speaker 1>and today I'm doing an episode based off a listener request.

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<v Speaker 1>Nelly asked if I might do an episode about Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>And as it turns out, Instagram is a pretty interesting

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<v Speaker 1>story and big enough so that it necessitates two episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is our first one talking about the birth

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<v Speaker 1>of Instagram, and in our next episode will continue that story.

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<v Speaker 1>But today we're gonna talk about an app that started

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<v Speaker 1>off as a project that was meant to help a

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<v Speaker 1>young fellow learn how to code, and it turned into

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<v Speaker 1>a billion dollar acquisition deal. It's one of those Silicon

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<v Speaker 1>Valley fairy tales that thousands of people chase after, but

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<v Speaker 1>only a select few ever atchieve. So we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>look at the Instagram story. And Instagram was designed by

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<v Speaker 1>co founders Kevin Systrom and Mike Krieger, and they launched

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<v Speaker 1>it in twenty ten. But our story will begin a

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<v Speaker 1>little earlier than that, because you guys know, I love

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<v Speaker 1>my history. So let's begin with a quick look at

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<v Speaker 1>the backgrounds of the two founders. Kevin Systram was born

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen three in Holliston, Massachusetts, and his parents are

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas Systrom, a vice president of human resources at the

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<v Speaker 1>department store corporation t j X Companies, and his mother, Diane,

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<v Speaker 1>is an executive in the marketing department at zip Car

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<v Speaker 1>and has worked at other startups. He attended school and

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<v Speaker 1>Conquered Massachusetts at a private school called Middlesex School, a

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<v Speaker 1>boarding school or private school rather, which has fewer than

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred students total, and, according to The New York Times,

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<v Speaker 1>has nearly as many acres in land as it has

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<v Speaker 1>students enrolled. So this is not a Rags to riches Dale.

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<v Speaker 1>This is more of a rich's to Holy Cow, you

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<v Speaker 1>are so incredibly rich tale for Mr Systram. In addition

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<v Speaker 1>to his studies, he became a fan of the computer

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<v Speaker 1>first person shooter game Doom too, And I talked about

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<v Speaker 1>that in a couple of episodes way back when when

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<v Speaker 1>I was covering things like it. The Doom franchise was

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<v Speaker 1>one of a handful of games that launched level developer

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<v Speaker 1>tools to the community. That meant that if you liked

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<v Speaker 1>you could download those tools for yourself and you could

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<v Speaker 1>actually build your own maps for the game system. Began

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<v Speaker 1>to do that and also started studying computer programming, though

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<v Speaker 1>really only more as an enthusiast. He would not pursue

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<v Speaker 1>a degree in computer science after school. Systrom enrolled in

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<v Speaker 1>Stanford University back in two thousand two, studying management science

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<v Speaker 1>and engineering, so essentially the business classes over at Stanford,

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<v Speaker 1>and Stanford was or still is actually located near Silicon

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<v Speaker 1>Valley in California, and it's one of those places where

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<v Speaker 1>ambitious students and grew investors often collide. They meet up

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<v Speaker 1>with each other, they share ideas, and frequently students are

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<v Speaker 1>looking to get recruited right off school into one of

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<v Speaker 1>the big tech companies and uh they that ends up

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<v Speaker 1>just being a rich pool of talent for companies like Apple, Google, Microsoft,

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<v Speaker 1>and all the startups as well. Systrom spent a winter

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<v Speaker 1>semester at Stanford in Florence. He actually went to Florence

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<v Speaker 1>to study abroad, studying photography in particular, so he had

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<v Speaker 1>an interest in photography long before Instagram was ever a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and at this time the iPhone had yet to appear

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<v Speaker 1>and cell phone cameras were fairly primitive, so he was

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<v Speaker 1>using actual film cameras and higher in digital cameras. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand five, System became part of a special work

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<v Speaker 1>study program called the Mayfield Fellows Program. Only twelve students

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<v Speaker 1>are selected to do this each year at Stanford. Coincidentally,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Kreeger, the other co founder, would be selected for

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<v Speaker 1>that same program in two thousand seven, though at that

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<v Speaker 1>time sisterm and Krieger didn't really know each other that well.

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<v Speaker 1>Systems work in the program led to an internship at

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<v Speaker 1>a company called Odeo. Now I've covered Odio in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>but here's a very quick refresher. Odio started out as

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast focused company, not necessarily to produce podcasts, not

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<v Speaker 1>a content creator, but rather as a way to publish podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>to subscribe to podcasts, and to follow podcasts. But Odio

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<v Speaker 1>faced serious stiff competition, namely in iTunes, and ultimately the

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<v Speaker 1>company would pivot to a different project that one of

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<v Speaker 1>its employees had been working on for a while. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a little messaging app that would let users send

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<v Speaker 1>out a quick hundred forty character message to followers, and

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<v Speaker 1>it would end up being called Twitter Systrom joined the

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<v Speaker 1>Sigma New fraternity while he was at Stanford, and he

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<v Speaker 1>gained a reputation for being creative and particularly talented and

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<v Speaker 1>making visually appealing presentations and videos. During his senior year,

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<v Speaker 1>he was encouraged to drop out of school and joined

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<v Speaker 1>the Facebook team, which was just really getting started at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. System actually turned down that offer after chatting

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<v Speaker 1>with friends and concluding that Facebook was likely just a fad.

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<v Speaker 1>I think things turned out all right for Sistrom in

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<v Speaker 1>the end, however, even though he missed that opportunity. After

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<v Speaker 1>graduating Stanford in two thousand and six, Systrom joined the

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<v Speaker 1>ranks of Google in a move that many of his

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<v Speaker 1>peers felt was a safe but somewhat uninspired decision. Google

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<v Speaker 1>had already kind of established itself by two thousand six,

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<v Speaker 1>it was no longer in that crazy start up phase,

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<v Speaker 1>and System would stay with Google for about three years,

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<v Speaker 1>leaving to join a company called next Stop. Next Up

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<v Speaker 1>was founded by a former Google employee, or actually a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of former Google employees, and it was a social

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<v Speaker 1>travel recommendation site. The idea was the site would help

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<v Speaker 1>people find fun things to do in new locations, so

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<v Speaker 1>you could post about things that were interesting at different

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<v Speaker 1>places in the world, and that's where we're gonna leave

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Systram for the time being. We're gonna switch to

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<v Speaker 1>the other co founder, Mike Krieger. Krieger was born in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty six and sal Paulo, Brazil. His father is

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<v Speaker 1>an executive who traveled extensively, and so Kreeger spent time

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<v Speaker 1>in places like Portugal, Argentina, and the United States as

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<v Speaker 1>he was growing up. He got his first computer when

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<v Speaker 1>he was four years old, So yeah, this is also

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<v Speaker 1>not a rag Store Riches story for Mr Kreeger. By

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<v Speaker 1>the age of six, Kreeger was already starting to experiment

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<v Speaker 1>with coding, mostly in an effort to enhance his gaming

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<v Speaker 1>experience on his Windows based computer. So you're starting to

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<v Speaker 1>sense a theme here, kids getting into coding through computer games.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time he was a teenager, he was acting

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<v Speaker 1>as a mentor to maintenance personnel in an after school

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<v Speaker 1>education program at his high school. So he would go

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<v Speaker 1>attend high school and afterwards he would help teach people

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<v Speaker 1>how to develop computers skills so that they could get

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<v Speaker 1>better jobs. It was kind of cool. When he turned eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>he was accepted to Stanford University, and that was in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand four. Kriegers major was in symbolic Systems, with

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<v Speaker 1>a focus on human computer interaction. That discipline combines elements

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<v Speaker 1>not just of technology, but also psychology and several other

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<v Speaker 1>important movers and shakers in the tech world graduated with

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<v Speaker 1>similar degrees, and as I mentioned earlier, Krieger, like Systrom,

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<v Speaker 1>was part of the Mayfield Fellows program, so he was

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<v Speaker 1>also one of those twelve students. While in college, Krieger

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<v Speaker 1>interned with Microsoft. He would work on power Point as

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<v Speaker 1>a project manager. He also interned at a company called

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<v Speaker 1>fox Marks, which creates a browser add on that allows

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<v Speaker 1>users to synchronize passwords and bookmarks across multiple computers and

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<v Speaker 1>over there he served as a software developer, and after

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<v Speaker 1>he graduated Stanford, Krieger went on to work for a

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<v Speaker 1>company called me Bo. Me Bo was a web based

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<v Speaker 1>instant messaging provider as well as something of a social network.

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<v Speaker 1>So in early System is that next stop, which would

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<v Speaker 1>later be acquired by Facebook, and Krieger was at me Bow,

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<v Speaker 1>which in two thousand twelve would be acquired by Google,

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<v Speaker 1>and System was working on a little side project since

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand nine that Krieger got a chance to try

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<v Speaker 1>out because the two knew of each other, but at

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<v Speaker 1>that point they hadn't really worked together. And that sets

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<v Speaker 1>the ground for the predecessor for Instagram, which I'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about in just a second, But first let's take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break to thank our sponsor. So before we went

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<v Speaker 1>to the break, I mentioned that System had been working

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<v Speaker 1>on a project since two thousand nine. That project was

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<v Speaker 1>called Bourbon, but it was spelled b U r b

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<v Speaker 1>N because it's an app and apps hate vowels, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bourbon is apparently System's favorite drink, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>working on it over the weekends when he wasn't doing

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<v Speaker 1>his normal work either at Google or then later at

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<v Speaker 1>Next Stop, and it was a bit of an odd beast.

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<v Speaker 1>Systrom had aspirations of launching his own app and potentially

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<v Speaker 1>his own company, and Bourbon was really the where he

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<v Speaker 1>was cutting his teeth on app development because that really

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't what he had studied. He knew about the power

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<v Speaker 1>of apps, and he was convinced that mobile was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the biggest thing moving forward. This was in

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<v Speaker 1>when Mobile was already doing quite well and Bourbon was

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<v Speaker 1>in many ways a project that System was using to

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<v Speaker 1>learn how to develop apps, how to use HTML five,

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<v Speaker 1>and what sort of features users would actually want. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>remember that while System was interested in all this, he

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<v Speaker 1>still didn't have that degree in computer science or anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and so Bourbon ended up being kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a hydra, a mini headed creature that was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of things all at once. For one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a check in service, similar to what four

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<v Speaker 1>Square used to be. You could visit a place and

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<v Speaker 1>use the app to check in. He let your friends

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<v Speaker 1>know you had visited. You could make recommendations to friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could plan for future get togethers at specific spots,

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<v Speaker 1>which would earn you points in a sort of gamified

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<v Speaker 1>element in the app. System had cited the social network

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<v Speaker 1>game Mafia Wars as an influence on some of the

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<v Speaker 1>app design, and you could upload photos to the app

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<v Speaker 1>and share those with your friends as well. Krieger was

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<v Speaker 1>an early user of Bourbon, and Systram had conversations with

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<v Speaker 1>the Krieger focusing on ways to enhance the app's features

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<v Speaker 1>and make things better. Meanwhile, System continued life in Silicon Valley,

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<v Speaker 1>which included going to networking events and to try to

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<v Speaker 1>make connections with other entrepreneurs and developers. At one such

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<v Speaker 1>event hosted by a startup called Hunch, Systram met a

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Steve Anderson who was the founder of Baseline Ventures,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an investment firm. Anderson looked at a prototype

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<v Speaker 1>build of Bourbon and agreed to invest in the development

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<v Speaker 1>of the app to the tune of two fifty dollars

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<v Speaker 1>is a pretty big of agreement. He also recommended System

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<v Speaker 1>that he find a collaborator to work with more closely

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<v Speaker 1>and not just become a personal echo chamber. In March,

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<v Speaker 1>System decided to pursue Bourbon as an actual entrepreneurial opportunity,

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<v Speaker 1>and he quit his job at next Stop, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty easy decision to make, especially after Mark Andresen

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<v Speaker 1>added to that initial investment with two fifty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>of his own, which brought that launch investment up to

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<v Speaker 1>half a million dollars. And Systrom was able to convince

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<v Speaker 1>Kreeger a couple of months later in May to quit

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<v Speaker 1>his job at me Bo and come work with him

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<v Speaker 1>on the project, and so the two co founders joined forces.

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<v Speaker 1>They set up shop at a place called dog Patch Labs,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a company that offered up shared office space

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<v Speaker 1>for the startup tech companies in the Bay Area. Companies

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<v Speaker 1>that did not yet have an office of their own

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<v Speaker 1>could rent out space at dog Patch Labs, and before

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<v Speaker 1>long the two decided that they weren't really on the

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<v Speaker 1>right track. They had come to the conclusion that Bourbon

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<v Speaker 1>was just too similar to four Square, which was already

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<v Speaker 1>an established app at that time, and they also felt

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<v Speaker 1>the service was just too busy and cluttered. It had

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<v Speaker 1>so many features that was a little confusing as to

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<v Speaker 1>what it was intended to do. And thus, in June

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<v Speaker 1>they decided to engage in the great tradition of app development,

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<v Speaker 1>the pivot. And I mentioned a pivot a little bit earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>but what exactly is that. Well, a pivot in Silicon

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<v Speaker 1>Valley speak is when you realize you've done messed up

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<v Speaker 1>and you need to try something else. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>ever hear about a company pivoting, what that's really saying

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<v Speaker 1>is that the people in charge realized that what they

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<v Speaker 1>had been doing is just not working and they'd better

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<v Speaker 1>do something else or they're going to face ugly consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>For Kreeger and Systrom, that meant taking a look at

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<v Speaker 1>their app and then trying to figure out what they

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<v Speaker 1>might be able to salvage from it. And while the

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<v Speaker 1>check in services were sewn up, one thing that stood

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<v Speaker 1>out was the idea of a photo sharing app. Their

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<v Speaker 1>first attempt at building a solo photo sharing app was

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<v Speaker 1>a failure. It didn't even get a new name, and

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<v Speaker 1>this was before they had entirely abandoned the hope for

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<v Speaker 1>a full featured bourbon app. But they got back to

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<v Speaker 1>it and they began to refine their approach, and one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that really helped them out was the inclusion of

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<v Speaker 1>a popular feature in Instagram, the photo filter. Systram tells

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<v Speaker 1>a story about being on vacation with his then girlfriend

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<v Speaker 1>now his wife, Nicole. Nicole was another Stanford graduate, and

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<v Speaker 1>she explained to Systrom that she never really liked sharing

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<v Speaker 1>the photos she was taking with her iPhone four because

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<v Speaker 1>she felt they never looked as good as she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>them to. And that inspired System to develop a filter

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<v Speaker 1>for photos taken by the iPhone four camera, and one

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<v Speaker 1>that would automatically adjust settings in a post processing approach,

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<v Speaker 1>so you didn't have to do all that messing around

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<v Speaker 1>with settings yourself. It would just automatically apply them and

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<v Speaker 1>make the image better. So it would change the color balance,

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<v Speaker 1>it would change the contrast, it would soften the edges,

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<v Speaker 1>adding a little bit of golden light to sweeten the image.

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<v Speaker 1>And he taught himself how to create the tools and

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<v Speaker 1>then developed his first filter, the x pro to filter,

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<v Speaker 1>And according to both System and Krieger, they would use

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<v Speaker 1>Photoshop to actually create the effects they wanted to create

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<v Speaker 1>within Photoshop, and then reverse engineer how to do that

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<v Speaker 1>within the app how to create those same effects uh

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<v Speaker 1>as an as a post processing trick with images taken

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<v Speaker 1>from a iPhone camera. Ultimately, Krieger and System decided that

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<v Speaker 1>their new app would allow users to share photos, to

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<v Speaker 1>leave comments, and to like images, as in you could

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<v Speaker 1>hit the little like button or the little heart button

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<v Speaker 1>and say, hey, that was a pretty cool picture. I

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoy it, and also to use filters. They needed

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<v Speaker 1>a new name, and they chose Instagram, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>portmanteau of instant and Telegram and also kind of hearkens

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<v Speaker 1>back to the instant cameras that Sistram had played with

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<v Speaker 1>when he was younger, like a classic Polaroid camera. It

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<v Speaker 1>took the two about eight weeks to go from the

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<v Speaker 1>idea to a full fledged app, and before they submitted

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<v Speaker 1>the app to the Apple App Store, they tested it

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<v Speaker 1>with their friends. And these were influential friends. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just buddies who were in the neighborhood. These are people

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<v Speaker 1>like Jack Dorsey, who was the founder of Twitter. Not

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<v Speaker 1>bad idea. If you want to get some evangelists for

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<v Speaker 1>your product, you go after people who already have a

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<v Speaker 1>wide following. And a little after midnight on October six,

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<v Speaker 1>the Instagram app launched in the App Store. When it debuted,

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<v Speaker 1>it was an iPhone exclusive, and it would remain so

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<v Speaker 1>for more than a year and a half. The app

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be available on other platforms for a while, so

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<v Speaker 1>on the first day of it being available, about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand people downloaded the app. They began taking photos, they

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<v Speaker 1>began sharing them and breaking the system. The system load

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<v Speaker 1>was too much for Instagram's initial servers to handle, and

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<v Speaker 1>it sent Systram and Krieger onto a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a panic. They tried to figure out who they could

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<v Speaker 1>contact to get some advice, and they settled on Adam D'Angelo,

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<v Speaker 1>whom System had met at a Sigma New party at

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<v Speaker 1>Stanford years earlier, D'Angelo had served as Facebook's chief technology

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<v Speaker 1>officer and was a pretty knowledgeable guy. D'Angelo helped out

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<v Speaker 1>his buddy and talked him through the process of moving

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<v Speaker 1>the load over to Amazon's hosting services, where Instagram could

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<v Speaker 1>rent server capacity while building out its own systems. According

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<v Speaker 1>to Systrom, the conversation took about half an hour and

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<v Speaker 1>then things were back up and running. Now, at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>it was still a two man show, and both Systrom

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<v Speaker 1>and Krieger made it a habit to always have a

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<v Speaker 1>computer with WiFi capability handy in case there was a

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<v Speaker 1>need to jump into the app and patch it so

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<v Speaker 1>that you could smooth out a bug or fix other problems,

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<v Speaker 1>which was happening on a fairly regular basis due to

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<v Speaker 1>the enormous popularity of the app, because within just three

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<v Speaker 1>weeks that thousand user base had grown to three hundred thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was just the start of a wild ride.

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<v Speaker 1>I have more to say about Instagram, but before I

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<v Speaker 1>jump into the next section, let's take another quick break

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<v Speaker 1>and thank our sponsor. The same month that Instagram launched,

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<v Speaker 1>Systrom and Krieger hired their first coworker, Josh Redal. He

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<v Speaker 1>would become the community manager and led efforts to form

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<v Speaker 1>partnerships at Instagram. He had previously worked at next Stop,

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<v Speaker 1>the same company that Systram had worked for earlier in

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<v Speaker 1>a month later in November, Shane Sweeney joined as a

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<v Speaker 1>mobile engineer. Sweeney had become interested in program main through

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<v Speaker 1>computer games It's sound familiar, and then later through social platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>He had started working in web development while still in

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<v Speaker 1>high school. He had moved on to doing work with

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<v Speaker 1>a company that was called Digital Path that was making

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<v Speaker 1>wireless mesh networks. It's a pretty cool technology. I'll have

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<v Speaker 1>to do a full episode on that at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>But three months into his stint of working for the company,

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<v Speaker 1>the funding fell out and one hundred people were laid off,

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<v Speaker 1>including Sweeney. He would go on to work on personal

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<v Speaker 1>projects at dog Patch Labs, using that as a workspace,

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<v Speaker 1>and there he met Sistrom and Sistrom invited him to

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<v Speaker 1>work on Bourbon earlier in but Sweeney actually said no

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<v Speaker 1>when he was invited to work on Bourbon. It was

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<v Speaker 1>only after Instagram launched that Sweeney reconsidered and joined the team.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact I saw an interview with Sweeney where

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<v Speaker 1>he said there's an ongoing joke at Instagram that everyone

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<v Speaker 1>says no to Systrom. Initially he asks them to join

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<v Speaker 1>his project, and they'll say no, and then later on

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<v Speaker 1>they'll change their minds and say yes, and that this

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<v Speaker 1>is just a thematic thing that goes on at Instagram. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there wouldn't be another higher until two thousand eleven, so

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<v Speaker 1>in those initial weeks, Instagram was a four person operation. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the app continued to get thousands of downloads and user

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<v Speaker 1>activity was increasing on a daily basis. In fact, by December,

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram had one million registered users. And remember this was

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<v Speaker 1>before there was any support for platforms like Android or

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<v Speaker 1>Windows Mobile. This was purely on iOS. The flagship phone

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<v Speaker 1>for Instagram was the iPhone four, which had launched in

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<v Speaker 1>June two thousand ten. The iPhone four had two cameras.

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<v Speaker 1>The back facing one was a five megapixel camera and

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<v Speaker 1>the front facing camera was just point three megapixels. And

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<v Speaker 1>a quick explanation for folks who have heard the term

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<v Speaker 1>megapixels but they don't really have a grasp on what

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<v Speaker 1>that's all about. Megapixels are a way to measure image resolution.

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<v Speaker 1>A pixel is a point of light within a digital

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<v Speaker 1>image or a screen. So if you are looking at

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<v Speaker 1>a television screen, every single little bit of that television

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<v Speaker 1>screen is made up of tiny little points of light

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<v Speaker 1>called pixels. So every photo is a collection of pixels.

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<v Speaker 1>If you only have a small number of pixels, your

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<v Speaker 1>image is going to be blocky and ill defined. I've

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<v Speaker 1>used this example before, but imagine that you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of blocks of different colors, and the blocks measure

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<v Speaker 1>maybe two inches per side, and you're told to make

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<v Speaker 1>the image of a flower, and you're given fifty blocks

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. That flower is going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>little blocking. But let's say you're given two hundred blocks

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<v Speaker 1>and they're each a half inch per side. Well, that

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<v Speaker 1>flower is going to be less blocky. It's gonna look

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<v Speaker 1>more like a flower. The smaller the blocks are, and

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<v Speaker 1>the more blocks you have, the more refined the image

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<v Speaker 1>you can create, So you increase the resolution of your image. Uh, However,

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<v Speaker 1>that's only part of the quality of a photo. It

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<v Speaker 1>is true that more pixels generally means higher resolution image,

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<v Speaker 1>and a megapixel is technically one million, forty eight thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>five D seventy six pixels that we usually just round

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<v Speaker 1>down and say it's a million pixels, But megapixels don't

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<v Speaker 1>always mean better photos. Like if you have a ten

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<v Speaker 1>megapixel camera and your friend has a fifteen megapixel camera,

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<v Speaker 1>it does not necessarily mean the fifteen megapixel images are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be better than yours. Uh, I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>matters a lot of other things matter too. System's then girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole now wife. That's what she was complaining about the

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<v Speaker 1>iPhone four camera. Wasn't that the megapixels were bad. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just that there were other elements that would factor into

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<v Speaker 1>the quality of an image, like color representation, or contrast

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<v Speaker 1>and other factors. And that's partly why photo filters became

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<v Speaker 1>so popular. The filters could compensate for shortcomings in the

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<v Speaker 1>digital camera sensors that were found in smartphones at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram was not the only out to do this, or

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<v Speaker 1>even the first app to do this. The app hip

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<v Speaker 1>Stomatic had already made a name for itself at this time,

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<v Speaker 1>turning smartphone photos into these little, squared off images that

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<v Speaker 1>look like vintage photographs, and it had several filters that

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<v Speaker 1>would automatically apply to each image to give it sort

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<v Speaker 1>of that vintage feel. But Instagram gave users an easier

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<v Speaker 1>way to archive photos and keep a record of those images.

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<v Speaker 1>And unlike hip Stomatic, which cost a dollar ninety nine

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<v Speaker 1>to purchase, Instagram was free. What's more, Systrom had said

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<v Speaker 1>it would always be free and that monetization strategies would

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<v Speaker 1>not involve users coughing up money to pay for the service.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to do a full episode and hip Stomatic

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<v Speaker 1>at some point, because that's another fascinating story of a

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<v Speaker 1>company that made a huge impact when it launched, only

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<v Speaker 1>to find itself in troubled waters. A couple of years later,

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<v Speaker 1>in January twoleven, Instagram rolled out support for one of

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<v Speaker 1>its enduring features, hashtags. The hashtag the pounds symbol had

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<v Speaker 1>already gained popularity over at Twitter, where users had sort

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<v Speaker 1>of invented and adopted the practice in an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>make it easier to follow tweets about specific subjects. You

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<v Speaker 1>would use Twitter Search and you would search hashtag the term,

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<v Speaker 1>and that way you would just get the tweets that

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<v Speaker 1>were specifically including that hashtag, because otherwise, if you just

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<v Speaker 1>search for a regular word, you get a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of tweets that were not relevant to whatever it was

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<v Speaker 1>you were looking for. So it was a way to

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<v Speaker 1>narrow things down. Um, So that was how it worked

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter, but in Instagram it would do something similar,

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<v Speaker 1>but this time you allow for another possible application, a

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<v Speaker 1>group photo album. The way it works on Instagram is

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<v Speaker 1>that you would caption the photo and you would include

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<v Speaker 1>one or more hashtags to help describe the photos context,

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<v Speaker 1>what the photo is about, what's going on in the photo,

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<v Speaker 1>something that's more specific than just hashtag photo. Perhaps you

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<v Speaker 1>attended an event and you wanted your image included with

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<v Speaker 1>others from that same event, So you might do something

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<v Speaker 1>like hashtag Jonathan's birthday party, and then other people are

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<v Speaker 1>using that same hashtag, and it becomes easy to see

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<v Speaker 1>all the photos taken by all the people at that

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<v Speaker 1>event by doing a search on hashtag Jonathan's birthday party.

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<v Speaker 1>You just use that hashtag and boom, your image is

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<v Speaker 1>going to join all the others tagged with that same label. Now, granted,

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<v Speaker 1>the more general the label, the more likely your image

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be grouped with a bunch of ones

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<v Speaker 1>that don't really have the same, uh, same perspective, or

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<v Speaker 1>the same relevance as yours. So you want to get

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<v Speaker 1>as specific as you can without getting ridiculously long hashtags.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bit of a balancing act to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to make sure you're using those right hashtags.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you use one variation and everyone else uses

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<v Speaker 1>a different one, you're the one who's left out. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's say again, you said hashtag Jonathan's birthday and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else is doing hashtag John Strickland's birthday, then yours is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to show up with everybody else's. And Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>elites will tell you that including lots of hashtags to

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<v Speaker 1>cover several different contexts is key to discover ability. I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen guides about best uses, best practices on on Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>suggesting that you should use no fewer than a dozen

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<v Speaker 1>hashtags when you're capturing your photos if you want people

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<v Speaker 1>to see them. I questioned that because I think after

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<v Speaker 1>a while, if you see that many hashtags, you start

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<v Speaker 1>to roll your eyes. But then again, I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>that many followers on Instagram, so who am I to

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<v Speaker 1>say whatever? Like I, I can't give strategic advice. But

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<v Speaker 1>it has led to abuse of the system as people

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<v Speaker 1>began to use hashtags that were completely unrelated to the

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<v Speaker 1>photos that they were posting, just in an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>get those photos seen. It would be disingenuous for me

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<v Speaker 1>to take a photo of, say the building I work

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<v Speaker 1>in and tag it with hashtag Beyonce just to see

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<v Speaker 1>if I could get more impressions with my image. And

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<v Speaker 1>as Instagram has grown in popularity, having a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>followers and engagement in the app has become much more important.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be a way to get hired as a

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<v Speaker 1>social manager, for example. So as a result, Instagram has

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<v Speaker 1>occasionally instituted new policies to help cut down on hashtag abuse,

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<v Speaker 1>including implementing a policy called shadow banning, which really only

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<v Speaker 1>became known years later. And a shadow ban still allows

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<v Speaker 1>you to post to Instagram. You can still contribute, but

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<v Speaker 1>it will not share your images with the Instagram community

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<v Speaker 1>through those hashtags. So let's say that I have been

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<v Speaker 1>abusing hashtags on Instagram for a while. The algorithms have said,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is just using random hashtags that have nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with his photos. We're gonna shadow ban him.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I go to see a big event. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>say I go to, uh, the next Star Wars premiere,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm taking a lot of photos from the red carpet,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to have Star Wars Premiere hashtag on

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<v Speaker 1>my Instagram photos so they could be added with everyone else's.

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<v Speaker 1>I could still post all those photos to Instagram, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you went to my account, you would actually see

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<v Speaker 1>those photos, but they would not be shared with all

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<v Speaker 1>the other Star Wars premiere photos because the shadow band

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<v Speaker 1>would keep my hashtag from working. And it was all

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<v Speaker 1>meant to negate this tendency for people to use hashtags

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<v Speaker 1>that had nothing to do with the images they were posting,

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<v Speaker 1>just in an effort to boost the number of views

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<v Speaker 1>they were getting. In early two thousand eleven, Instagram held

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<v Speaker 1>another round of investment funding. The apps popularity was skyrocketing,

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<v Speaker 1>with more than a million and a half users in

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<v Speaker 1>February and more than two fifty thousand photos shared each day,

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<v Speaker 1>and investors flocked to the new company. Adam to Angelo

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<v Speaker 1>was one of those investors, as was Jack Dorsey. Chris Soaka,

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<v Speaker 1>who was an early employee over at Google, also invested

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<v Speaker 1>in the company, and in all, angel investors poured seven

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars into Instagram, which still had fewer than five

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<v Speaker 1>people working there, so more than a million dollars per employee,

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<v Speaker 1>which is pretty darn good. In two thousand eleven, Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>would continue on its trajectory of growth. The company would

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<v Speaker 1>hire three more new employees. Jessica Zolman joined in August

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<v Speaker 1>eleven as a community evangelist. She acted as part customer

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<v Speaker 1>service representative and part communicator from the company to the

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<v Speaker 1>users to explain new features and changes to the app.

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<v Speaker 1>In October two thousand eleven, Amy Cole joined Instagram to

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<v Speaker 1>handle business operations. Cole had previously worked for Sephora in

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<v Speaker 1>business development, and in December two thousand eleven, Gregor Hachmouth

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure I'm mispronouncing his name joined the company

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<v Speaker 1>as an engineer. And he had previously co founded a

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<v Speaker 1>company called Mody, which presented users with slide shows of art, products, typography,

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<v Speaker 1>and more, and you would rate the images with various

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<v Speaker 1>finger swipe gestures. By the end of two thousand eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram boasted ten million active monthly users. Version two point

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<v Speaker 1>oh of the app had gone live on iOS and

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<v Speaker 1>incorporated new features, including new filters, some new post processings

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<v Speaker 1>like borders and tilt control, and more. But the real

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<v Speaker 1>crazy stuff would happen the following year. In two thousand twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram would grow again and it would hold another round

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<v Speaker 1>of funding. System would talk about how he had no

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<v Speaker 1>intention to sell the company and then he sold the

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<v Speaker 1>company to Facebook just days later. But I'll cover that

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<v Speaker 1>in our next episode. For now, we're gonna wrap up.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Nellie for the request, and I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed this first episode about the earliest days at Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>how it was born out of a totally different app.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting because when we cover in the second part,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about how Instagram's more recent trajectory has sort

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<v Speaker 1>of put it back in line with what Bourbon was

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<v Speaker 1>doing earlier in some ways, not exactly the same way,

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<v Speaker 1>but in ways that make me a little worried is

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<v Speaker 1>probably the wrong word, but concerned. Let's say, if you

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