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Speaker 1: I'm Peanut Tillman and this is my uncle Roman Harper

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Speaker 1: and this is the NFL Player Second Acts podcast. I

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Speaker 1: know I look younger and I'm actually older. He's actually younger,

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Speaker 1: but he looks older. We do this banter all the time.

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Speaker 1: I just and he has never won any great Gray

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Speaker 1: is Gray is in right now, Gray is in. And uh,

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Speaker 1: it's just if you're older. You know what we should do.

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Speaker 2: We should just ask all of our listeners and viewers

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Speaker 2: to make sure you tell a friend, to tell a friend,

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Speaker 2: to tell a friend, to make sure you continue to

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Speaker 2: Apple podcasts or iHeartRadio podcasts, please look out for us.

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Speaker 2: Give us a review, click like, Tell a friend, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: listen to what Pino's saying except for the old part.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of friends, this this next guest. She's an

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Speaker 1: amazing woman. She's actually the first female we've had on

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Speaker 1: this podcast. She has tremendous value in the league. She's

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Speaker 1: one of the senior vice presidents, one of the only

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Speaker 1: women that hold that title. She's the godmother to all

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Speaker 1: players that have played that are retired, that are Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famers. She's the one who's responsible for this podcast. Y'all.

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Speaker 1: Please check out our good friend Tracy Peerlman. So you

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Speaker 1: are the first ever female guest on the podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm honored.

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Speaker 1: So how do you feel about that?

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Speaker 3: I'm honored. I'm so honored to be talking to the

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Speaker 3: two of you. And you're not fighting.

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Speaker 1: No, we're not. We're not. You're like the godmother to

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Speaker 1: all NFL players. I agree. Nobody knows that either. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: nobody knows. Everyone knows you when you have a problem

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Speaker 1: or when a player has a problem. When I'm frustrated

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Speaker 1: with something, I just text you, like, what about these calls?

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Speaker 1: What is the commissioner doing? What is Vince doing? Can

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Speaker 1: you can you tell Troy uh To?

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Speaker 3: Does Troy Vincent remember he played defense? Is exactly?

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Speaker 3: What the text say her all the time?

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Speaker 1: But it's not just me though, It's like seven hundred

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Speaker 1: other players will text you like how awesome does that

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Speaker 1: feel for you to know that, like all these these

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Speaker 1: grown men trust you and they they take your advice

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Speaker 1: or they want to listen to you, or you're connected

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Speaker 1: to them in some kind of way, like you have

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Speaker 1: put shoe stamp on the NFL with players.

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Speaker 3: It's important to me that they know, and I don't

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Speaker 3: and the reason I moved to football. When Troy asked me,

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Speaker 3: was I wanted to impact players' lives. I don't care

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Speaker 1: You didn't know that about Tracy, did you?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: I did so. I think he's just now starting to

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Speaker 2: I didn't know she was such a mover and a

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Speaker 2: I'd been told to email her multiple times throughout my

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Speaker 2: and it was always Tracy Peerlman. I didn't know Tracy

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Speaker 2: and it's been awesome to see It's been awesome to

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Speaker 1: I think it's dope in the sense of it's a

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Speaker 3: And you know, we talked for a little while longer

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Speaker 3: called me and he said, I'm creating job that is

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Speaker 3: It was six years ago, So that's exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly why I asked that question, because I've seen

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Speaker 3: It's so interesting we had to change the culture in

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Speaker 3: for you to do in appearance. Will you do it? Great?

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Speaker 3: You show up.

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Speaker 3: No, And even though we kept trying to create that relationship,

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Speaker 3: we really had to shift everybody's view. And we did

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Speaker 1: I think the thing that I appreciate most about you,

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Speaker 1: but the players value your opinion so much and they

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Speaker 1: and the thing actually got changed, and I was just like,

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's why you can't use the word intimidated with Tracy.

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Speaker 1: I call you. I call you the key, the key

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Speaker 1: to the city. There's there's a key to the city

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Speaker 1: at every job that I've I've had, whether at every level,

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Speaker 1: I truly think that that person is you and your staff,

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Speaker 1: a part of this is I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: that's very true. Only hangs with you guys all the time.

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Speaker 1: That's why he knows all of you. I know everybody.

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Speaker 1: What are we doing?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: It's cool. So you've had such a huge impact even

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Speaker 1: for as TP?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: Like? What do you want I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It was unbelievable. He talked for about eight minutes and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's dope.

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Speaker 2: It's another thing that Tracy said, that's beautiful because I

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Speaker 2: You are a legend. It doesn't matter what you think

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Speaker 2: So communication is it's big right in this business.

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Speaker 1: And what you kind of alluded to was when Brandon

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I say that because now they always say

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Speaker 3: What would it be? How can I play? And we

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Speaker 3: when we do rules changes, Troy says, I need four

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Speaker 3: But imagine ten years ago, twenty years we would not

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Speaker 2: Right right, And sometimes the NFL probably never thinks about

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Speaker 1: Seek to understand so you can be understood.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful. Another beautiful quote by Charles Peny. Tell me

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Speaker 1: Us with more. Yeah, reading his knowledge.

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Speaker 2: Baby, I love it so Tracy, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: I know this was war in the moment.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe I'll ask players to figure it

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Speaker 2: Are you going to continue to push for more? You

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Speaker 3: Yes, continue to until there is not one story out

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Speaker 1: What's been one of the most challenging situations you've dealt

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Speaker 3: But I've gotten a lot of training suicide prevention, mental

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Speaker 3: I could see he was bitter. Something was going on,

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Speaker 3: afraid that I couldn't handle, and in Yaka's texted me,

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Speaker 3: find common ground, find common ground, find common ground. So

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Speaker 3: somebody very closely, and I said, hey, this player works

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Speaker 3: for me, that's my guy. But all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: the conversation started turning around, and you know, within thirty minutes,

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Speaker 3: I got him from bitter to I shouldn't be here

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Speaker 3: to can you connect me with him? To how can

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Speaker 3: you help me get into a facility? And I literally

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Speaker 3: for thirty five minutes. I walked out of the office

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Speaker 3: and I was like, I don't even know what just happened.

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Speaker 3: And this Hall of Fame running back called me. He's like,

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Speaker 1: And it's gotta be a great feeling.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, I was like, this is

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Speaker 3: such a responsibility, and you know we are now the

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Speaker 3: whole staff is getting trained, every club is getting trained

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Speaker 3: because if I didn't know what to do, it could

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Speaker 3: have ended really poorly. But that's why I do this.

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Speaker 1: That's a big responsibility. That is.

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Speaker 2: But we see it and then when we see when

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Speaker 2: the players don't get that help, we see the end

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Speaker 2: result and we're all so sad, and then we just

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Speaker 2: you know, send a couple of tweets and we're like, oh, this, this, this,

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Speaker 2: and we know it's that, and we make this excuse

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Speaker 2: because it's not the first time we've seen it. And

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Speaker 2: now I love that you're trying to get in front

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Speaker 2: of it. We want to train more people to get

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Speaker 2: help and get in front of We got to listen.

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Speaker 2: We've got to be willing to listen and be ready

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Speaker 2: to be involved when we can.

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Speaker 1: I think one thing the league has done a really

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Speaker 1: good job of is to push the narrative it's okay

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Speaker 1: not to be okay, Like I've within the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years, I've seen that narrative pushed out and it's

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Speaker 1: been Yeah, it's been cool to see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know, the twenty four Legends who work

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Speaker 3: in the Legends community get trained in mental health every

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Speaker 3: single time we get together. And it blows my mind

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Speaker 3: that so many players talk to John Randall because he

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Speaker 3: was so damn scary on the field. I watched film

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Speaker 3: of him playing.

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Speaker 1: He talked all the time. It's dope. I love John.

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Speaker 3: And then he'll be like Trace, this guy is gonna

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Speaker 3: call you, and all these guys confide in him, and

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Speaker 3: he now has the training to be able to pass

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Speaker 3: them on to the right people. So again the peer

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Speaker 3: to peer, Like you guys are on the ground. You guys,

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Speaker 3: hear it. We just want all of you to know.

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Speaker 3: Just send people to us. We'll figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well, TP, hey, appreciate you being first and

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Speaker 1: only woman on the podcast, Like that's dope, that's no.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. There's nobody better to have on here to

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Speaker 2: represent it whether they it is like you are, there's

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Speaker 2: nobody else.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate Tracy and you guys didn't argue at all. It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: How can you not love this lady. She is awesome.

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Speaker 1: I've had the privilege of working with Tracy and her

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Speaker 1: team since like twenty twelve, and she is just you know,

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Speaker 1: USDA certified. She's a great person, just just her character quality.

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Speaker 1: She really does care about the players in this league.

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Speaker 2: I think she emphasized that big time it was about

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Speaker 2: the players, and I'm glad that we actually get to

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Speaker 2: use this platform to turn and shine that light back

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Speaker 2: on her, because I know most people do not know

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Speaker 2: who Tracey Pearlman is or what she means to so

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Speaker 2: many people around the NFL and what she does for

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Speaker 2: the league and its players. So I really appreciate that

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Speaker 2: and the ability to be able to give her her flowers.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's great people, and we can't thank her enough

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Speaker 1: for being on this podcast. One she's responsible for the podcast,

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Speaker 1: so great person. Thank you guys for listening. It's been

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Speaker 1: an honor, it's been awesome. I'm Peanut, this is my

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Speaker 1: uncle Roman, and this is the NFL Player's Second Act podcast.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate y'all.