Speaker 1: I Heart Radio presents Inside the Studio. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Joe Levy. Now, getting Inside the Studio has been difficult
Speaker 1: due to COVID nineteen, which is why we're launching a
Speaker 1: special socially distant version of the show, Inside the Studio,
Speaker 1: the Home Edition. And that's not a chance for you
Speaker 1: to play along at home and cut your own version
Speaker 1: of Dark Side of the Moon. Will be bringing you
Speaker 1: into the bedrooms and living rooms of your favorite artists
Speaker 1: to find out how they're coping with lockdown and how
Speaker 1: it's impacting the way they make music, and to help
Speaker 1: us out. We've been listed a new Quarantine correspondent, Jordan Rontalk.
Speaker 1: Jordan's served as a music editor at People Magazine and
Speaker 1: VH one dot Com. He's contributed to Rolling Stone and
Speaker 1: Entertainment Weekly, and he is also the host of the
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio podcast Rivals Music's Greatest Feuds, available wherever
Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows. First up on Inside
Speaker 1: the Studio The Home Edition, Ash who just put out
Speaker 1: a new remix of her breakout song Moral of the Story,
Speaker 1: and it features a guest I had on Inside the
Speaker 1: Studio a few months ago, Nile Horde. It's excellent and
Speaker 1: so is this episode of the Inside the Studio home edition. Well, hello, everybody,
Speaker 1: my name is Jordan run Talk, but enough about me.
Speaker 1: I'm here with an incredible singer, songwriter, musician, performer. You
Speaker 1: may know her as the voice behind Moral of the Story, Ok,
Speaker 1: that song that made everyone cry in the Netflix film
Speaker 1: To All the Boys, p S. I Still Love You.
Speaker 1: She's also collaborated with Sean Frank, Lewis, The Child, and
Speaker 1: so many more. I'm so thrilled to welcome Ash. How
Speaker 1: are you today? Thank you so much for taking the time. Hi,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. I'm doing really good.
Speaker 1: How are you doing? I'm good, I'm good. I got
Speaker 1: so many things I want to ask you, but I
Speaker 1: guess first and foremost Quarantine. It's been tough for everybody.
Speaker 1: You know. What's been keeping you grounded and feeling good
Speaker 1: the last couple of months. Oh man, you know, Quarantine
Speaker 1: has been just the weirdest time. This has just been
Speaker 1: a really strange year. I'll tell you that much. You know,
Speaker 1: I feel really privileged during this time. I'm I'm safe,
Speaker 1: I'm happy, I'm healthy. I'm in the best healthiest relationship
Speaker 1: I've ever been in my life. And we're just like
Speaker 1: supporting each other, and you know, we work, we both
Speaker 1: work from home, and like, man, the fact that we
Speaker 1: haven't killed each other yet, it's like just so good.
Speaker 1: And I live in West Hollywood, California, and it's just
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the window right now and it's absolutely
Speaker 1: beautiful and I just I feel really lucky, you know,
Speaker 1: um in all of this so ordinarily, do you feel
Speaker 1: like you're more of a homebody. Do you take your
Speaker 1: writing inspiration from like looking outward or more looking in Oh,
Speaker 1: definitely looking inward, because you I mean, I think you
Speaker 1: you take your life experience on the outside and then
Speaker 1: you internalize it and you have to kind of dig
Speaker 1: in there and go inward. And yeah, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: an old lady. I like my I like being home.
Speaker 1: I'm dead. I love you know, Touring is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things to do in this world. But if
Speaker 1: I have to choose between my own bed or a hotel,
Speaker 1: I'll choose my own cozy. I mean, it's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just cozy here. Has working from home full time change
Speaker 1: the way that you've approached writing music at all or
Speaker 1: is it pretty much the same? Oh? I think a
Speaker 1: bit and that, you know, I can't just drive over
Speaker 1: to my producer's place and track some vocals. It's um.
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of new sessions since Moral of
Speaker 1: the Story. I've had the honor of working with you know,
Speaker 1: some really like just the top dogs in the music
Speaker 1: industry and like people on my I should not be
Speaker 1: allowed to write a song with you. You are too talented.
Speaker 1: And I've met those people and talk to those people
Speaker 1: over you know, zoom, So that's been a little weird,
Speaker 1: but for them, I'm definitely a much more in person gal.
Speaker 1: But it's it's changed the landscape of it. But for
Speaker 1: the most part, we're making it work. Everyone's you know,
Speaker 1: doing the best with what they've got. What are you
Speaker 1: working on now that you're really excited about? Can you say? Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's so much coming. Oh, I wish I could
Speaker 1: tell you everything right now. I just got a master
Speaker 1: back of the next thing we're going to release, and
Speaker 1: it is going people are going to lose their minds.
Speaker 1: I'm going to lose my mind. Um. So yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been working on that thing. I can't say I want
Speaker 1: to say, but hopefully soon I can. Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 1: What is your homework situation, like just like your whole setup,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a tech narrative to um, Well, behind
Speaker 1: me right now, I'm recording a moral of the story,
Speaker 1: like I have to do um like a live video,
Speaker 1: and so behind me is like a shore sm for
Speaker 1: fifty something or other I don't even know. Um and
Speaker 1: my nord and um opus, my boyfriend just walking in. Um,
Speaker 1: he's in a meeting. This is working from home and quarantine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you have to do like setting the ground rules?
Speaker 1: Like Okay, I got a radio thing like please don't
Speaker 1: flush the toilet between this time and this time, like
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Luckily the toilet is far enough away
Speaker 1: where he can flush it fine. But usually he's working,
Speaker 1: Like back there is like his little desk station, and
Speaker 1: so usually he's like right there while I'm doing interviews. Um,
Speaker 1: but we're we I think we respect each other at
Speaker 1: so we've made it. We've made it work. But yeah,
Speaker 1: what does a typical writing day look like for you?
Speaker 1: Because and I'm sure you get this question a lot
Speaker 1: from people like me who love music but just can't,
Speaker 1: for the life of them figure out how you write it.
Speaker 1: Do you hear a song in your head? And then
Speaker 1: go to the piano and kind of flesh it out
Speaker 1: and find it. Or do you go to the piano
Speaker 1: every morning almost like exercise and lay down chord structures
Speaker 1: and just kind of find your way along and experiment
Speaker 1: and see what happens. Oh, I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: different every time. I I typically go sit down at
Speaker 1: the piano. Um. First, that's sort of my home. Um,
Speaker 1: It's like it's like eating a burrito. It's like just comfort,
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm definitely the most um confident and
Speaker 1: feel like most myself when I'm just sitting out at
Speaker 1: the piano and I'll work through some chords and um,
Speaker 1: digging back into you know that old pet Sounds album
Speaker 1: by the Beach Boys. I I'm reimagining chord structure and
Speaker 1: and it's open up like an entirely new songwriting landscape
Speaker 1: for me. And so that's been really fun. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's always different sometimes though I do wake up every
Speaker 1: morning around five am and I journal and um, usually
Speaker 1: I can pull sometimes a song will start from there.
Speaker 1: You know. It just happens in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 1: That was kind of my next question to at what
Speaker 1: point do you start thinking of the audience. When you're
Speaker 1: writing lyrics, are you writing from a place of I
Speaker 1: just want to get something out of me? Are you
Speaker 1: always sort of thinking about, here's this thing I want
Speaker 1: to convey to these people, and I want them to
Speaker 1: understand it. Most of the time, because I've pre my
Speaker 1: headline tour, I didn't. I was very um you know,
Speaker 1: when I sat down to write a song or was
Speaker 1: in a songwriting session, it was very me focused. It
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, what exactly do I need to say
Speaker 1: right here? And then I went on tour and then
Speaker 1: people when people start screaming your lyrics back at you,
Speaker 1: you start thinking. When you sit down to write a
Speaker 1: song and imagine going on another tour and hearing people
Speaker 1: sing it back to you, it makes you think in
Speaker 1: a completely different way. Um. So I've definitely taken that
Speaker 1: into consideration and finding that balance between making sure people
Speaker 1: are going to be able to understand you and relate
Speaker 1: and you know, actually, sometimes if you get way, way,
Speaker 1: way too specific, you're like, people are like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about, you know. But what I've
Speaker 1: found is if you are really honest and vulnerable, usually
Speaker 1: even if you know some middle schoolers line favorite line
Speaker 1: is talking with my lawyer. You know, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: my divorce attorney in more of the story. And you know,
Speaker 1: that's bonkers to me that that would be their favorite line.
Speaker 1: But I think there it's human beings are so you
Speaker 1: can just take take what take a lyric and then
Speaker 1: put your self in that situation or replace lawyer with
Speaker 1: you know, father or brother or mom or whatever. So um,
Speaker 1: best friend. Yeah, so wow, that was long winded. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: The moral of the story. It's just such an incredibly
Speaker 1: vulnerable song. Having a hit song must be crazy for
Speaker 1: a million different reasons that I can't even imagine. But
Speaker 1: having a hit song that's come from such a personal
Speaker 1: place for you, what is that like? Is it like nerve?
Speaker 1: Is it almost just like having millions of people read
Speaker 1: your diary? Like? How does that feel knowing that this
Speaker 1: song that came from such a I imagine, very painful event,
Speaker 1: um is now just so public And so, you know,
Speaker 1: like you said, just sort of everyone knows and can
Speaker 1: now relate to do I have a hit song? I
Speaker 1: feel like you're that that's so crazy. I feel like
Speaker 1: you're the first person who's like, what's it like to
Speaker 1: have a hit song and not being like this is
Speaker 1: going to be a hit or this is about to
Speaker 1: be a hit, but being like it's a hit, well
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Oh my gosh. Um, I have to process
Speaker 1: that a little bit. Um, what's it like? It's crazy? Um,
Speaker 1: I'm putting a song that is about my life and
Speaker 1: a very deep and dark part of my um experience
Speaker 1: as a human being that is not, you know, unique
Speaker 1: to me. So many people have gone through heartbreak and
Speaker 1: divorce it that matter. But um, it feels really cool
Speaker 1: it It was never going to be any other song
Speaker 1: than this one that had this moment, you know. And
Speaker 1: it makes me think too of you know, getting out
Speaker 1: of your relationship ship that is sort of run its
Speaker 1: course incredibly incredibly hard. And I think of a lot
Speaker 1: of people, a lot of women specifically right now, who
Speaker 1: are in quarantine, who are literally not only metaphorically trapped
Speaker 1: in this relationship and now we're literally trapped in a
Speaker 1: home with this partner that they don't want to be with.
Speaker 1: What would you say to to those people are really
Speaker 1: having struggling with sort of stepping out and being an
Speaker 1: individual and getting out of this situation that's not good
Speaker 1: for them. Oh, I mean, I definitely don't want to
Speaker 1: take this question or answer lightly because it's this is
Speaker 1: a very heavy, you know, a heavy thing, and I
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, you have to
Speaker 1: decide what's right for for you in your your life.
Speaker 1: But I will say that if you are truly unhappy
Speaker 1: and in something toxic that you know and can imagine,
Speaker 1: your life will be better if you get out. UM,
Speaker 1: you are not stuck. And I think we convince ourselves
Speaker 1: that or we're stuck. UM. I have many a friend
Speaker 1: who have been in abusive relationships. There's that cycle, um
Speaker 1: that you go through and and believe that it's gonna change,
Speaker 1: or you're gonna you know, fall back and love again,
Speaker 1: or she's gonna change. He's going to change. And at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, if you, um, if you
Speaker 1: make the decision, especially in quarantine, and it makes us
Speaker 1: feel even more stuck and even more boxed in. I mean,
Speaker 1: I definitely say there's always there's always a way, UM,
Speaker 1: And it's so scary, but it's like, man, it's the
Speaker 1: bravest thing you can do, and for a minute, you're
Speaker 1: going to blow up your entire life. And I can't
Speaker 1: understand that. I was living in a house that I
Speaker 1: bought off signing my first record deal, and I no
Speaker 1: longer live in that house, and I am no longer
Speaker 1: married to that man that I bought that house with,
Speaker 1: and I blew up my whole life. Um, and I
Speaker 1: am immeasurably more happy and a better person for it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's incredibly brave, both in life and in
Speaker 1: your music. I gotta ask you this is probably an old,
Speaker 1: tired question, but do you find it easier or harder
Speaker 1: to write when you're happy? Oh? Um, I I don't know.
Speaker 1: I will say, I'm going to say about the same.
Speaker 1: It really depends on I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: typical answer is it's easier to write when you're sad. Um,
Speaker 1: And I will say, like, music is therapy, and writing
Speaker 1: it is so therapeutic that sometimes we need it more
Speaker 1: when we're sad um to write. But I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm writing a lot of record I'm very happy,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm writing my favorite records I've ever written.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know. I saw you on Instagram
Speaker 1: teasing some of what I assume we're lyrics. Fans are
Speaker 1: getting all excited. The other day we were cocaine playing
Speaker 1: milk and Honey cared to elaborate it all on that
Speaker 1: or oh yeah, I mean that. Um, that's a lyric
Speaker 1: off my next single. Um, and I started teasing that. Um,
Speaker 1: that's all I can really give you. But but there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of different stages to grieving, and I think
Speaker 1: we all think that it's happens in like, Okay, once
Speaker 1: you're done with denial, you move on to anger, and
Speaker 1: then once you're done with that, you know, and the
Speaker 1: finals acceptance and when you hit acceptance, you're done. And UM,
Speaker 1: it so doesn't work like that. And I, um, I still,
Speaker 1: you know, go back and forth on old feelings. And
Speaker 1: so the next record is Moral of the Story. Is
Speaker 1: such an acceptance record, like fully in the acceptance stage
Speaker 1: of grief. Um, the next single is not I can't
Speaker 1: wait to hear it. When one of my favorite things
Speaker 1: that's occurred this quarantine and I'm serious you UM put
Speaker 1: together a livestream concert for the fifty four anniversary of
Speaker 1: one of my all time I think it's my favorite
Speaker 1: album of all time, Pet Sounds the Beach Boys Pet Sounds.
Speaker 1: You mentioned it earlier. How did that come to pass?
Speaker 1: I loved it so much. So many great performances in
Speaker 1: that concert. Oh well, thank you for saying that. That
Speaker 1: was doing that concert and putting it on was an
Speaker 1: absolute privilege. That was the coolest. That was one of
Speaker 1: the coolest things I've ever done. That wasn't you know
Speaker 1: my own music. Um, I'm so glad you said that
Speaker 1: it's one of your favorite albums because it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just Paul McCartney said something like, um, you're not
Speaker 1: musically educated until you listen to pet Sounds, so not
Speaker 1: everyone who wants to be a musician listen. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was the fifty four anniversary was like
Speaker 1: not one of those years probably someone was going to
Speaker 1: do like a big banging thing, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like this is an opportunity in the midst
Speaker 1: of Quarantine to honor you know, Brian Wilson and um,
Speaker 1: just the coolest, the coolest album ever made. What is
Speaker 1: about about that album that speaks to you so much?
Speaker 1: I mean the instrumentation was so um, out of the
Speaker 1: out of the box and kind of out of this world.
Speaker 1: And I think that Brian he just took boundaries and
Speaker 1: just like lit a match and was just like there
Speaker 1: are no boundaries, but not in a way like you know,
Speaker 1: God love jazz avant garde music, but at some point,
Speaker 1: as a you know, normal average listener, it starts feeling
Speaker 1: like noise and just sounds and um, you know, no
Speaker 1: shade on avant garde jazz if that's your thing. Um,
Speaker 1: But I think what was so cool is Brian took jazz,
Speaker 1: classical orchestral, motown, um pop wheeler, you know, rock and
Speaker 1: roll music and singer songwriter, you know, ballad stuff, and
Speaker 1: he threw it all together and and made it accessible
Speaker 1: and relatable. And I mean he made a pop album
Speaker 1: out of I can talk about this all day. So yeah,
Speaker 1: to stop there, Oh your your version of I just
Speaker 1: wasn't made for these times. It was absolutely exquisite. I
Speaker 1: love what to read of that song. I have to
Speaker 1: say thank you. Oh yes, I mean I just um,
Speaker 1: I mean, I have two minds about it. I'm one.
Speaker 1: There's I'm very you know, there's a reason for everything
Speaker 1: kind of glass half full girl, So I'm very like,
Speaker 1: all right, I was born in this era for a reason,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to take that. But you know, I
Speaker 1: just don't feel like I belong that often in this
Speaker 1: era just because they I think this is like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get crazy right now. I think this is the
Speaker 1: cool thing about moral of the story because it's the
Speaker 1: first time in my life that people are validating, you know,
Speaker 1: what I have to say and the way I want
Speaker 1: to say it. Um, And it's so powerful because in
Speaker 1: so many ways, you know me and my old lady
Speaker 1: tendencies and my turtlenecks, and you know, it's not pop
Speaker 1: It didn't feel very pop culture, or it wasn't um
Speaker 1: glorified or you know, I don't know. I just um
Speaker 1: have always felt like I never fully belonged. So I
Speaker 1: was definitely drawn to that song. And when I sat
Speaker 1: down to learn the chords to that song, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I fell in love with Brian all over again. It
Speaker 1: took me like an hour long to transpose it, like
Speaker 1: to figure out the chords and then to transpose it
Speaker 1: into a key I could sing it, and then to act.
Speaker 1: Then it took me a couple of days of rehearsing
Speaker 1: it before I could do it on camera because it
Speaker 1: was just well, the bass makes no sense. The bass
Speaker 1: is like totally move and doing its own thing, right, No, exactly,
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, yeah, it's so weird. I mean, and
Speaker 1: then he's got like these weird like just these diminished
Speaker 1: chords with these weird based notes. But it's perfect. It's
Speaker 1: a perfect record. You studied sort of similar arrangements at
Speaker 1: at Berkeley School Music and Boston doing big band and
Speaker 1: orchestra arrangements, right, how does that training show up in
Speaker 1: in the kind of work that you're doing now? I
Speaker 1: mean it kind of went dormant post college, um for
Speaker 1: a while there, um, and then working on this debut album.
Speaker 1: It's definitely I've been bringing it back out for sure.
Speaker 1: That's going to be pretty It's very The album is
Speaker 1: very well for sure, pet sounds inspired, but um, you
Speaker 1: know Queen and Elton John Yellow Brick Road, and there's
Speaker 1: just a massive um orchestral element to the new album
Speaker 1: that I'm working on and in the singles. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's definitely coming out now, which is really I mean,
Speaker 1: that's pretty awesome to put to use. For sure. I
Speaker 1: hear all the passion in your voice talking about your
Speaker 1: music other people's music. Was there a moment when you
Speaker 1: knew that music was what you wanted to do with
Speaker 1: your life? You know? I am I am so passionate
Speaker 1: about me that I will like we could talk forever.
Speaker 1: But um, I never had that, like you know, people
Speaker 1: were like and then I ran out into the street
Speaker 1: and then so I almost got hit by a car,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, okay, I'm gonna be a blank. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think life. I think we make
Speaker 1: up stories like that because it is more marketable. But
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, maybe not maybe I don't know, um,
Speaker 1: but I it was just through a series of small
Speaker 1: which I feel like is more normal. It's a series
Speaker 1: of small choices that lead you to where you need
Speaker 1: to be in life. And you know, Berkeley was a
Speaker 1: piece of that puzzle. I didn't have it figured out.
Speaker 1: I probably would have dropped out if I had had
Speaker 1: figured it out, but I didn't. So I graduated, and
Speaker 1: then I moved to Nashville, and I still didn't know
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. But it was another piece
Speaker 1: towards us sitting here doing this interview right now, you know,
Speaker 1: just a little by little. Moving to San Diego was
Speaker 1: another piece. Um. Moving to l a by my first house,
Speaker 1: marrying the wrong guy was a piece. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a long winded way to say no. There
Speaker 1: wasn't a moment that I was like, this is what
Speaker 1: I have to do with my life. It's just sort
Speaker 1: of been a a long, slow process. I think I
Speaker 1: read that when you were Berkeley you were considering not
Speaker 1: even being a performer. You didn't want to be on
Speaker 1: stage at all. What would you say to somebody who's
Speaker 1: sort of struggling to find their own voice, who does
Speaker 1: have all this creativity and passion but sort of shying
Speaker 1: away from it. I would say, stop wasting time being insecure,
Speaker 1: because the world has enough insecurity and enough people who
Speaker 1: are doubting themselves daily, and I think the world just
Speaker 1: needs a lot more of people who are confident and
Speaker 1: know who they are. And um, that takes a long
Speaker 1: time and a process, Like I was just saying, but um,
Speaker 1: I really believe that. You know, for me in college,
Speaker 1: me not thinking I was good enough to be an artist,
Speaker 1: and that I could only be a writer that came
Speaker 1: out of insecurity and immaturity and imagine the world we're
Speaker 1: moral of the story didn't exist, and if I didn't
Speaker 1: rise to the occasion and just go no, stopp being immature,
Speaker 1: stopping in secure, get old, get over yourself, and pursue
Speaker 1: what you love, you know, and imagine what kind of
Speaker 1: impact you can have. I don't know, encouraging just I
Speaker 1: would encourage people. The world needs your voice, you know,
Speaker 1: not to go back to you know. Another one of those.
Speaker 1: Was there a moment? But was there a moment when
Speaker 1: you knew that the song was taking off? Was there
Speaker 1: like an oh my god moment like this is this
Speaker 1: is getting crazy? Oh yeah, there was a moment for sure. Um,
Speaker 1: when the day we hit two million streams in one
Speaker 1: day and ill the day we hit one million streams,
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, this is insane. But then when
Speaker 1: I when I got up to two, I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, this is this is different. And then I
Speaker 1: think the next thing was when I heard it on radio.
Speaker 1: I was pretty baffled. I was like, this is this
Speaker 1: is my life on air? Weird. It's so funny because
Speaker 1: I was listening to well the story and then I
Speaker 1: was listening to pet Sounds because you inspired me with
Speaker 1: the with the live stream, and I was almost thinking
Speaker 1: that more of the story is sort of like the
Speaker 1: sequel to wouldn't it be nice? Because wouldn't it be nice?
Speaker 1: As you know your kid, you're thinking about how great
Speaker 1: life is going to be when you're older, and then
Speaker 1: more of the story is kind of like, Okay, it
Speaker 1: was kind of scarier than I thought. It got a
Speaker 1: little weirder than I thought. But you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: still just as hopeful. I'm still looking forward, I'm still excited,
Speaker 1: and I play those back to back earlier, and it
Speaker 1: was it was cool to think that was sort of
Speaker 1: that's what it did to me at least. WHOA, that's
Speaker 1: so cool. I would have never thought to play my
Speaker 1: music after listening to pet Sounds at all, because that's
Speaker 1: a scary comparison. Um, but that's so, that's so cool.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that. I'm glad that you made that connection,
Speaker 1: um and died. Definitely, I definitely can see how you
Speaker 1: would feel that way of that. What's next for you?
Speaker 1: What's your sort of big professional dream on the horizon.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been working on this daily when I
Speaker 1: wake up in my journal, trying to figure it out. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, because there's benchmarks you want to hit, like,
Speaker 1: imagine having your song on the radio, Imagine getting a
Speaker 1: million streams on a song. Imagine you know, having a
Speaker 1: top twenty record, you know, on radio and then you
Speaker 1: slowly start hitting these benchmarks and you go, well, what
Speaker 1: the heck, what is my life going to be? What
Speaker 1: do I pick next? If it starts feeling like the
Speaker 1: ceiling to what you can accomplish starts growing and you're like, whoa,
Speaker 1: this is pretty cool. So I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: working on figuring out what? You know? The next goal
Speaker 1: specifically is but really, finishing this album is the most
Speaker 1: important thing. Obviously, promoting world story and getting as many
Speaker 1: you know, ears and eyes on it as possible is
Speaker 1: really cool. But um, really making this album as honest
Speaker 1: and true to who I am is possible, and then
Speaker 1: seeing seeing it what it does and hoping people fall
Speaker 1: in love with it the way they fell in love
Speaker 1: with you know, more of the story. What's the first
Speaker 1: thing you want to do when quarantine is over and
Speaker 1: you can do whatever it is you want to do.
Speaker 1: The not philosophical answer is go get some sushi. One.
Speaker 1: I just want to go on a nice date with
Speaker 1: my boyfriend in order of SUPPORTO and have some sushi
Speaker 1: or something. Go to Sugarfish for me. Yeah, okay, no problem.
Speaker 1: Will you come out here and then get out of
Speaker 1: Boston and I'll take you to Sugarfish. Yeah, that is
Speaker 1: the non philosophical. The philosophical would be, you know, get
Speaker 1: ready for I mean tour. I'm gonna I want more
Speaker 1: of the story to reach as many people as possible,
Speaker 1: you know. And so if quarantine wasn't happening, we would
Speaker 1: probably be in per Sin right now, and that would
Speaker 1: have been so much more special. This is a good second,
Speaker 1: you know option. But um, the second the door opens,
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to be on the road for
Speaker 1: a minute. Well, so my my last question, what's the
Speaker 1: moral of your story? What do you want fans to
Speaker 1: take from your music? That's okay, hold on, this is
Speaker 1: a good question. Mm hmmm. The best thing I could
Speaker 1: say is to trust, trust that what you need to
Speaker 1: say is what people need to hear, and that you
Speaker 1: have a story, um that is worth telling. Um. And
Speaker 1: I think people, especially right now and this crazy time
Speaker 1: we're living in, want to feel um or they do
Speaker 1: feel helpless, or they feel silenced, and um, you know,
Speaker 1: we need we need your voice, and we need your
Speaker 1: honesty and your vulnerability. It's it's so scary to speak up.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I'd say the moral story is to
Speaker 1: use your voice and tell your story and then maybe
Speaker 1: your song will play on the radio. Who knows. Yeah? Perfect.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, it's been such a pleasure speaking
Speaker 1: to you. It's been so lovely. Thank you for chatting.
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