1 00:00:15,130 --> 00:00:24,210 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Here's what we know. A Washington State resident fell 2 00:00:24,250 --> 00:00:29,770 Speaker 1: ill after returning from Huhan, China, in a world gone haywire. 3 00:00:30,290 --> 00:00:34,050 Speaker 1: Sometimes art is the only thing that can make sense 4 00:00:34,090 --> 00:00:35,970 Speaker 1: of it all. You know, it's going to be a 5 00:00:36,010 --> 00:00:40,690 Speaker 1: matter of you know, several weeks to a few months, 6 00:00:40,930 --> 00:00:44,850 Speaker 1: for sure. This is the Chronicles of Now, where we 7 00:00:44,890 --> 00:00:48,330 Speaker 1: ask some of today's greatest authors to write short fiction 8 00:00:48,490 --> 00:00:52,370 Speaker 1: inspired by the news. I'm Ashley Ford. Here in America, 9 00:00:52,450 --> 00:00:55,690 Speaker 1: confirmed infections are now more than double that of any 10 00:00:55,690 --> 00:01:01,330 Speaker 1: other nation. When the coronavirus hit and America hunkered down, 11 00:01:01,850 --> 00:01:05,250 Speaker 1: we had no idea what we were in for or 12 00:01:05,330 --> 00:01:08,730 Speaker 1: how long it would last. There is a hope of 13 00:01:08,730 --> 00:01:11,250 Speaker 1: a scene, and if you get it in a year 14 00:01:11,250 --> 00:01:15,330 Speaker 1: and a half, that would be record time. We still 15 00:01:15,330 --> 00:01:18,210 Speaker 1: don't know what we're in for. From Daytona, where crowds 16 00:01:18,290 --> 00:01:21,290 Speaker 1: shut down traffic and we still don't know what we're doing, 17 00:01:21,410 --> 00:01:23,770 Speaker 1: to the Lake of the Ozarks where people swam on 18 00:01:23,810 --> 00:01:27,330 Speaker 1: top of each other for hours, social distancing nowhere to 19 00:01:27,370 --> 00:01:31,450 Speaker 1: be found. Here's what we do know. Families have been 20 00:01:31,490 --> 00:01:36,170 Speaker 1: stuck inside together for months on end. Yes, things are 21 00:01:36,210 --> 00:01:40,090 Speaker 1: opening up, but how long will that last? Across the nation. 22 00:01:40,210 --> 00:01:44,330 Speaker 1: July fourth celebrations canceled as the virus continues. It's deadly 23 00:01:44,410 --> 00:01:47,850 Speaker 1: served now thirty four states in the country seeing new cases. 24 00:01:47,970 --> 00:01:52,610 Speaker 1: Up to now, coronavirus cases are absolutely skyrocketing. I don't 25 00:01:52,650 --> 00:01:55,450 Speaker 1: even think we've begun to see the extent of what's 26 00:01:55,450 --> 00:01:59,210 Speaker 1: going to happen in this country. That's Roxanne Gay, the 27 00:01:59,290 --> 00:02:03,130 Speaker 1: best selling author of Bad Feminist and Hunger and a 28 00:02:03,250 --> 00:02:07,330 Speaker 1: contributing opinion writer for The New York Times. Her story 29 00:02:07,610 --> 00:02:11,970 Speaker 1: is about a long, long quarranty. I just thought, what 30 00:02:12,010 --> 00:02:14,850 Speaker 1: would it be like to live with your partner in 31 00:02:15,010 --> 00:02:33,290 Speaker 1: isolation for a year. My wife loves to travel. She 32 00:02:33,370 --> 00:02:37,410 Speaker 1: always has interesting stories about a soup she once tried, 33 00:02:37,490 --> 00:02:41,290 Speaker 1: and hannoi, and what it was like to crawl up 34 00:02:41,330 --> 00:02:44,090 Speaker 1: the steps of a temple into that and so on. 35 00:02:47,170 --> 00:02:50,930 Speaker 1: One time, on the grounds of anger Watt, a Buddhist 36 00:02:51,010 --> 00:02:54,690 Speaker 1: monk gave her a red bracelet, told her it was 37 00:02:54,730 --> 00:02:59,530 Speaker 1: good luck. It was a piece of string, really, but 38 00:02:59,810 --> 00:03:03,210 Speaker 1: she loved that string, and it seemed to love her 39 00:03:04,050 --> 00:03:08,570 Speaker 1: because month after month it stayed wrapped around her slender wrist, 40 00:03:09,330 --> 00:03:20,530 Speaker 1: even as it thinned to nearly nothing. Every night, just 41 00:03:20,690 --> 00:03:24,490 Speaker 1: before bed, she would take off her watch, set it 42 00:03:24,570 --> 00:03:27,610 Speaker 1: on the nightstand, and when she turned to smile at me, 43 00:03:28,730 --> 00:03:32,530 Speaker 1: I stared at her wrist, trying to understand how that 44 00:03:32,610 --> 00:03:35,850 Speaker 1: string could withstand the rigors of being attached to a 45 00:03:35,970 --> 00:03:40,850 Speaker 1: human body. The string was spiting me by hanging on. 46 00:03:43,730 --> 00:03:46,890 Speaker 1: I began to ask her hypotheticals about what she would 47 00:03:46,930 --> 00:03:50,130 Speaker 1: do if I tore the string. I asked her if 48 00:03:50,170 --> 00:03:54,170 Speaker 1: she loved me more than the string. Are you having 49 00:03:54,210 --> 00:03:58,890 Speaker 1: a midlife crisis? She asked, It was a reasonable question. 50 00:03:59,810 --> 00:04:07,730 Speaker 1: I had recently purchased a ridiculous car one evening after 51 00:04:07,770 --> 00:04:09,970 Speaker 1: we drank a bottle of red wine that we got 52 00:04:10,010 --> 00:04:13,290 Speaker 1: from a small vineyard in Tuscany, where the owner cooked 53 00:04:13,370 --> 00:04:16,970 Speaker 1: us the most incredible meal we have ever eaten, and 54 00:04:17,170 --> 00:04:20,730 Speaker 1: got us so drunk that we bought an unfathomable quantity 55 00:04:20,770 --> 00:04:24,890 Speaker 1: of wine. I tugged on the string gently, and my 56 00:04:24,930 --> 00:04:29,930 Speaker 1: wife tensed. This string has brought me so much good luck, 57 00:04:30,370 --> 00:04:33,970 Speaker 1: She said, it brought me you. I don't want to 58 00:04:34,010 --> 00:04:38,250 Speaker 1: think about what might happen when it falls off. I 59 00:04:38,410 --> 00:04:42,730 Speaker 1: turned away, my body a long line of irrational anger, 60 00:04:43,850 --> 00:04:48,570 Speaker 1: and from that day on the string became my nemesis. 61 00:04:50,690 --> 00:04:54,130 Speaker 1: I stared at it and conspired against it and waited. 62 00:05:02,130 --> 00:05:12,690 Speaker 1: But then when the quarantine began, we weren't really worried. 63 00:05:14,090 --> 00:05:17,290 Speaker 1: We have a nice house, we have Netflix, we have books, 64 00:05:18,010 --> 00:05:20,610 Speaker 1: we have each other, and we're quite good at sacks. 65 00:05:22,250 --> 00:05:31,130 Speaker 1: We would amuse ourselves. Every day, soldiers dressed in protective 66 00:05:31,170 --> 00:05:34,810 Speaker 1: gear left a box of rations and four large containers 67 00:05:34,810 --> 00:05:40,890 Speaker 1: of water on our stop. The rations were uninspiring, too 68 00:05:41,010 --> 00:05:46,650 Speaker 1: salty industrial. Once a week we received fresh produce. It 69 00:05:46,730 --> 00:05:51,890 Speaker 1: was never interesting, only things like spinach, cabbage, kale pairs. 70 00:05:54,530 --> 00:05:57,010 Speaker 1: During the first few weeks we pretended we were on 71 00:05:57,050 --> 00:06:00,650 Speaker 1: a cooking competition and tried to make the food palatable. 72 00:06:01,250 --> 00:06:03,370 Speaker 1: But there is only so much you can do with 73 00:06:03,530 --> 00:06:10,970 Speaker 1: rice and beans and dry graham crackers. The soldiers were brusque, efficient, 74 00:06:11,450 --> 00:06:14,330 Speaker 1: and ignored us when we tried to talk to them 75 00:06:14,570 --> 00:06:17,770 Speaker 1: glean some information about life beyond. As far as we 76 00:06:17,810 --> 00:06:24,170 Speaker 1: could see, the street was empty and quiet save for 77 00:06:24,250 --> 00:06:27,850 Speaker 1: the military. The helicopters going in and out of the 78 00:06:27,930 --> 00:06:34,970 Speaker 1: nearby heliport were gone. There were no sirens wailing. That 79 00:06:35,090 --> 00:06:49,770 Speaker 1: was the worst part, the sound of nothing. To keep 80 00:06:49,810 --> 00:06:54,570 Speaker 1: ourselves reasonably sane, we developed a routine. In the morning, 81 00:06:54,610 --> 00:06:57,050 Speaker 1: we trudged up and down the stairs for forty five 82 00:06:57,090 --> 00:07:00,890 Speaker 1: minutes and lifted hand weights. It was important to stay fit, 83 00:07:01,010 --> 00:07:04,210 Speaker 1: we decided, just in case we eventually had to fight 84 00:07:04,290 --> 00:07:09,490 Speaker 1: for our survival. We'd shower separately most of the time, 85 00:07:10,730 --> 00:07:14,050 Speaker 1: and then catch up on email do some work because 86 00:07:14,090 --> 00:07:17,770 Speaker 1: it seemed like work still mattered, or we needed it 87 00:07:17,770 --> 00:07:21,090 Speaker 1: to matter, so we could believe that eventually the quarantine 88 00:07:21,130 --> 00:07:25,170 Speaker 1: would end and our lives would be waiting for us. 89 00:07:27,370 --> 00:07:30,770 Speaker 1: Quarantines in other countries had already ended, so we weren't 90 00:07:30,810 --> 00:07:41,770 Speaker 1: deluding ourselves. When we got bored with work, we watched 91 00:07:41,770 --> 00:07:44,890 Speaker 1: a TV show or movie. We played a lot of 92 00:07:44,890 --> 00:07:48,810 Speaker 1: board games, and sometimes got testy with each other. We 93 00:07:48,930 --> 00:07:54,450 Speaker 1: had to stop playing uno entirely. Neither of us were 94 00:07:54,530 --> 00:07:59,010 Speaker 1: particularly fond of our own nudity, but some days we 95 00:07:59,090 --> 00:08:04,250 Speaker 1: didn't even bother putting on clothes, or we wore outlandish outfits. 96 00:08:05,370 --> 00:08:08,810 Speaker 1: When we got stir crazy, we ran around our small backyard, 97 00:08:09,410 --> 00:08:13,170 Speaker 1: really just a patch of concrete with some nice outdoor furniture, 98 00:08:13,490 --> 00:08:16,850 Speaker 1: a fire pit and a grille. We burned things and 99 00:08:16,930 --> 00:08:23,290 Speaker 1: it felt good to commit small acts of destruction. We 100 00:08:23,490 --> 00:08:27,370 Speaker 1: ordered things we didn't need from Amazon because they contracted 101 00:08:27,370 --> 00:08:30,650 Speaker 1: with the military to handle their deliveries during the quarantine, 102 00:08:31,170 --> 00:08:34,690 Speaker 1: and the military gladly took their money, and we knew 103 00:08:34,730 --> 00:08:38,530 Speaker 1: we were complicit in something, but couldn't say quite what. 104 00:08:42,370 --> 00:08:44,970 Speaker 1: We took to spying on our neighbors in the huge 105 00:08:44,970 --> 00:08:48,930 Speaker 1: apartment building across the way, and they took to spying 106 00:08:49,010 --> 00:08:53,010 Speaker 1: on us. We saw some things about the ways other 107 00:08:53,050 --> 00:08:58,170 Speaker 1: people lived their lives, and many of those things were terrible. 108 00:09:05,410 --> 00:09:08,490 Speaker 1: Some days we ventured up to the roof, looked around 109 00:09:08,530 --> 00:09:13,130 Speaker 1: and saw people for blocks in every direction, also standing 110 00:09:13,170 --> 00:09:18,570 Speaker 1: on their roofs. No one tried communicating. We just smiled 111 00:09:18,610 --> 00:09:23,450 Speaker 1: at each other wandly shrugged like pandemic. What can you do? 112 00:09:31,250 --> 00:09:35,250 Speaker 1: My wife and I had a lot of sex that 113 00:09:35,410 --> 00:09:40,530 Speaker 1: never got boring. Every freaky or weird thing we had 114 00:09:40,530 --> 00:09:44,290 Speaker 1: been too shy to try was suddenly part of our repertoire. 115 00:09:45,970 --> 00:09:48,570 Speaker 1: I put my tongue in places I still thrilled to 116 00:09:48,610 --> 00:09:54,250 Speaker 1: think about. She was suddenly more demanding, less demure like. 117 00:09:54,410 --> 00:09:57,250 Speaker 1: She was determined to draw as much pleasure as she 118 00:09:57,370 --> 00:10:02,050 Speaker 1: could out of me. I was more than happy to oblige. 119 00:10:03,410 --> 00:10:05,810 Speaker 1: We did not fight much at all, because we're in 120 00:10:05,890 --> 00:10:09,610 Speaker 1: our fifties and understand the importance of not wasting time. 121 00:10:13,330 --> 00:10:16,410 Speaker 1: There was only one news channel in those days, and 122 00:10:16,450 --> 00:10:20,210 Speaker 1: the journalists broadcast from their homes, so they didn't have 123 00:10:20,330 --> 00:10:24,330 Speaker 1: much to say. Once in a while, a small child 124 00:10:24,370 --> 00:10:27,970 Speaker 1: would toddle in the background, having escaped the watchful eye 125 00:10:28,050 --> 00:10:32,490 Speaker 1: of another parent or a sibling. That was nice, a 126 00:10:32,610 --> 00:10:38,690 Speaker 1: reminder of why we were doing this thing at all. Mostly, 127 00:10:38,810 --> 00:10:42,170 Speaker 1: the journalists parroted whatever talking points they were given by 128 00:10:42,210 --> 00:10:45,610 Speaker 1: the government, how the quarantine would last for a year 129 00:10:46,010 --> 00:10:49,450 Speaker 1: too at the most, while the vaccine was developed and 130 00:10:49,570 --> 00:10:54,010 Speaker 1: tested and manufactured in mass quantities. The rest of the 131 00:10:54,050 --> 00:10:58,210 Speaker 1: world had a vaccine, but the American president had angered 132 00:10:58,250 --> 00:11:01,250 Speaker 1: so many world leaders that they left us to our 133 00:11:01,290 --> 00:11:05,810 Speaker 1: own devices and helped each other instead. Whenever he gave 134 00:11:05,850 --> 00:11:09,930 Speaker 1: the nation an update, the president looked unwell, like his 135 00:11:10,090 --> 00:11:14,530 Speaker 1: genetics were revolting all over his face and extremities, so 136 00:11:14,730 --> 00:11:21,250 Speaker 1: that gave us some hope and cheer. Fifteen months into 137 00:11:21,290 --> 00:11:26,210 Speaker 1: the quarantine, the red string remained around my wife's wrist. 138 00:11:27,690 --> 00:11:34,530 Speaker 1: It drove me to distraction. The vaccine was ready. One 139 00:11:34,610 --> 00:11:38,050 Speaker 1: morning we received a note with our daily rations. A 140 00:11:38,210 --> 00:11:41,130 Speaker 1: medical team would be bringing us the vaccine at the 141 00:11:41,250 --> 00:11:45,290 Speaker 1: end of the week. See my wife said one evening 142 00:11:45,530 --> 00:11:49,290 Speaker 1: as we watched a Spanish television show about angry teenagers 143 00:11:49,610 --> 00:11:55,330 Speaker 1: who seemingly didn't have parents. We're alive because of this string. 144 00:11:56,330 --> 00:12:03,890 Speaker 1: She raised a fist triumphantly. The string desperately frayed, taunted me. 145 00:12:05,610 --> 00:12:11,090 Speaker 1: I clenched my jaw and inhaled deeply. I willed myself 146 00:12:11,210 --> 00:12:15,170 Speaker 1: not to pluck it from her wrist. It would take 147 00:12:15,330 --> 00:12:18,450 Speaker 1: no effort at all, as it was barely hanging on. 148 00:12:20,050 --> 00:12:23,410 Speaker 1: I wanted to say we were alive because of our isolation, 149 00:12:23,970 --> 00:12:28,290 Speaker 1: general good health, and daily calisthenics in and out of bed. 150 00:12:30,170 --> 00:12:35,090 Speaker 1: But she looked so calm and assured I could not 151 00:12:35,250 --> 00:13:00,810 Speaker 1: take that from her or even myself. That was string 152 00:13:00,850 --> 00:13:07,050 Speaker 1: theory by Roxanne Gang. The reader was Bonnie Turpin. Roxanne, 153 00:13:07,330 --> 00:13:09,530 Speaker 1: it's now June, and I happened to know that you 154 00:13:09,570 --> 00:13:12,890 Speaker 1: wrote that story back in early March. What made you 155 00:13:13,050 --> 00:13:17,050 Speaker 1: into it? This was going to be a long, long ordeal. 156 00:13:17,370 --> 00:13:19,930 Speaker 1: I think I started to get a sense of how 157 00:13:20,010 --> 00:13:22,930 Speaker 1: much of an ordeal the pandemic was going to be 158 00:13:22,930 --> 00:13:27,650 Speaker 1: because we have incoherent and incompetent federal leadership, and so 159 00:13:27,690 --> 00:13:29,930 Speaker 1: I was thinking about that, like, literally, what is the 160 00:13:29,970 --> 00:13:33,450 Speaker 1: worst case scenario when an idiot is president and a 161 00:13:33,490 --> 00:13:38,450 Speaker 1: pandemic is ravaging the country. The story actually started in 162 00:13:38,450 --> 00:13:42,050 Speaker 1: a really weird way. My partner, she went to Cambodia 163 00:13:42,450 --> 00:13:44,570 Speaker 1: about a year and a half ago, and a monk 164 00:13:44,730 --> 00:13:46,810 Speaker 1: gave her this piece of red string that he tied 165 00:13:46,850 --> 00:13:51,730 Speaker 1: around her wrist, and it's a good luck type blessing. 166 00:13:52,530 --> 00:13:54,770 Speaker 1: Then we would joke about it because it drove me crazy. 167 00:13:54,810 --> 00:13:57,010 Speaker 1: I was like, why won't it fucking break? What is 168 00:13:57,130 --> 00:14:01,010 Speaker 1: happening here? And she got very protective of this little 169 00:14:01,010 --> 00:14:04,530 Speaker 1: red string, and so then I decided to write a 170 00:14:04,530 --> 00:14:07,370 Speaker 1: story about it. And then the pandemic was happening, and 171 00:14:08,090 --> 00:14:11,890 Speaker 1: that's where I took it. I was telling someone recently, 172 00:14:12,050 --> 00:14:16,130 Speaker 1: this felt like, as much as a pandemic story, a 173 00:14:16,290 --> 00:14:20,250 Speaker 1: love story about loving a person enough to allow them 174 00:14:20,250 --> 00:14:25,050 Speaker 1: their faith even if you feel like I don't know. Yes, 175 00:14:25,970 --> 00:14:28,010 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you could talk to me about what 176 00:14:28,090 --> 00:14:32,530 Speaker 1: that string means to these two different characters, even though 177 00:14:32,530 --> 00:14:35,650 Speaker 1: they're stuck together. So to one of them, it means 178 00:14:35,770 --> 00:14:40,010 Speaker 1: that there is life beyond quarantine, that there is something 179 00:14:40,050 --> 00:14:43,650 Speaker 1: to believe in beyond the moment to moment, the day 180 00:14:43,650 --> 00:14:48,730 Speaker 1: to day. For the other partner. It represents this infuriating 181 00:14:48,810 --> 00:14:52,970 Speaker 1: thing that should not be sustained, that should not be intact, 182 00:14:53,130 --> 00:14:56,130 Speaker 1: but is intact, And so then it becomes this sort 183 00:14:56,170 --> 00:15:00,930 Speaker 1: of mildly antagonistic thing like, oh, now I want to 184 00:15:00,930 --> 00:15:03,730 Speaker 1: break it. I want to prove that that faith is misplaced. 185 00:15:04,290 --> 00:15:08,290 Speaker 1: But the longer the quarantine progresses for these women, the 186 00:15:08,330 --> 00:15:12,730 Speaker 1: more the antagonist realizes, Oh, maybe it is time to 187 00:15:12,730 --> 00:15:17,090 Speaker 1: have a little faith, because we're stuck with each other 188 00:15:17,450 --> 00:15:21,490 Speaker 1: and we love each other, and if this matters to her, 189 00:15:21,690 --> 00:15:24,090 Speaker 1: then it's got a matter to me. And so there's 190 00:15:24,130 --> 00:15:29,050 Speaker 1: this evolution of that. Back in March, we also didn't 191 00:15:29,090 --> 00:15:33,210 Speaker 1: know George Floyd would be killed by Minneapolis police. This 192 00:15:33,290 --> 00:15:36,650 Speaker 1: is all started and uprising the likes of which this 193 00:15:36,730 --> 00:15:41,850 Speaker 1: country hasn't seen in fifty years. To be close, do 194 00:15:41,930 --> 00:15:47,730 Speaker 1: you see a relationship between the pandemic and these uprisings. Absolutely, 195 00:15:48,490 --> 00:15:51,210 Speaker 1: the uprisings were going to happen no matter what because 196 00:15:51,770 --> 00:15:55,250 Speaker 1: black people have truly had enough. We are done, this 197 00:15:55,370 --> 00:15:59,730 Speaker 1: is it. But people have had a lot of time 198 00:16:00,050 --> 00:16:04,810 Speaker 1: to sit at home. There's no sports, there's no new TV, 199 00:16:05,570 --> 00:16:09,250 Speaker 1: there are no new movies, there's no new nothing. And 200 00:16:09,250 --> 00:16:12,010 Speaker 1: that frankly, there won't be until next year, and so 201 00:16:12,250 --> 00:16:14,890 Speaker 1: we have a lot of fucking time to sit around 202 00:16:15,090 --> 00:16:19,570 Speaker 1: thinking about what we think and feel. And I think 203 00:16:19,610 --> 00:16:23,570 Speaker 1: that absolutely contributed. Besides which people are scared, they're angry, 204 00:16:24,050 --> 00:16:29,090 Speaker 1: they are broke because we have again an incompetent federal government, 205 00:16:29,650 --> 00:16:32,850 Speaker 1: and that is a lethal combination. Plus summer is starting, 206 00:16:32,970 --> 00:16:35,770 Speaker 1: so people are getting out of school, like there's literally 207 00:16:35,810 --> 00:16:40,450 Speaker 1: nothing to distract us without work, without play, without school, Yes, 208 00:16:40,650 --> 00:16:44,490 Speaker 1: people are going to have the time. And in many ways, 209 00:16:44,490 --> 00:16:47,970 Speaker 1: the pandemic, I mean, it is a curse, but it 210 00:16:48,170 --> 00:16:53,330 Speaker 1: really laid bare just how divided this country is and 211 00:16:53,450 --> 00:16:58,090 Speaker 1: just how imperiled black life is. And I'm not grateful 212 00:16:58,130 --> 00:17:04,970 Speaker 1: for it. But sometimes something necessary rises out of something painful. Absolutely, 213 00:17:06,010 --> 00:17:10,530 Speaker 1: if you were writing this story today, not back in March, 214 00:17:11,330 --> 00:17:14,490 Speaker 1: how would this story end. The story would end with 215 00:17:14,570 --> 00:17:17,170 Speaker 1: more action, It wouldn't just be like and then life 216 00:17:17,210 --> 00:17:20,010 Speaker 1: got back to normal. I think it would end on 217 00:17:20,050 --> 00:17:22,490 Speaker 1: a note of we don't know what's next, but we 218 00:17:22,570 --> 00:17:25,730 Speaker 1: know that whatever's next will inevitably be better than what 219 00:17:25,770 --> 00:17:29,650 Speaker 1: we left behind, because we're going to leave behind racism 220 00:17:29,690 --> 00:17:34,890 Speaker 1: and law enforcement unchecked and all of these systemic biases 221 00:17:34,930 --> 00:17:39,290 Speaker 1: that allow law enforcement to brutalize black people. So I 222 00:17:39,330 --> 00:17:42,650 Speaker 1: think it would be more active at the end instead 223 00:17:42,650 --> 00:17:46,090 Speaker 1: of this sort of passive. Let's get back to normal, Roxanne, 224 00:17:46,130 --> 00:17:51,010 Speaker 1: thanks so much, Thank you so much, Ashley Forward. You 225 00:17:51,050 --> 00:17:53,930 Speaker 1: can read my full interview with Roxanne Gay on our 226 00:17:53,970 --> 00:17:57,890 Speaker 1: website Chronicles dot fm, where you can also read Drink 227 00:17:57,970 --> 00:18:02,210 Speaker 1: Theory and other short fiction torn from today's headlines. Our 228 00:18:02,250 --> 00:18:06,330 Speaker 1: sound designer and composer is Bart Warshaw. Our producer is 229 00:18:06,410 --> 00:18:10,050 Speaker 1: Curtis Fox. Tyler Cabot is the ex ecutive producer and 230 00:18:10,210 --> 00:18:14,810 Speaker 1: founder of Chronicles of Now for Pushkin Industries. Special thanks 231 00:18:14,810 --> 00:18:18,890 Speaker 1: to Leta Mulaud and Jacob Weisberg for the Chronicles of 232 00:18:18,970 --> 00:18:22,130 Speaker 1: Now podcast. I'm Ashley for thanks for listening.