Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Welcome back all the smoke man excited about today's guest.
Speaker 2: Uh got to meet him before he hit and now
Speaker 2: he is a hit. You've been on him before you start.
Speaker 2: You put a lot of people on. You put me on,
Speaker 2: and really, I mean with the show, A lot of
Speaker 2: people even on our staff didn't all watch.
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people around the world
Speaker 3: was pushing that start saying after you brought your name up, man,
Speaker 3: when y'all getting him on the show. So shout out
Speaker 3: to Matt for really really pushing for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah Man, without further ado, Man, welcome to the show, Simba, appreciate.
Speaker 1: You, Broth.
Speaker 4: Pleasure to be here with you that, you know, man,
Speaker 4: like like Stack was saying, bro you it was very
Speaker 4: very early in the career. You know, I came to
Speaker 4: the crib and you know, we had some food and
Speaker 4: we kicked it and got to play some music. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then you know, he came by the studio when
Speaker 4: I first got my deal, Like the first song, first
Speaker 4: two songs I put out, I played him for you
Speaker 4: in a room full of people before the world even
Speaker 4: heard him. So it's always a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Brom I appreciate you, but let's get to this shit
Speaker 2: because we have some good energy. Yeah, Kobe, Kobe, mike
Speaker 2: Lebron rank him.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to go Kobe one m M. That's
Speaker 4: my all time personal favorite. Kobe Brant is the reason
Speaker 4: I played high school basketball and thought I had a
Speaker 4: chance to make it to the NBA till I ran
Speaker 4: in the Niggas y'all hip. So Kobe's my number one.
Speaker 4: Number two, I gotta go with Bron. Brian is my
Speaker 4: second favorite of all time, just because I feel like
Speaker 4: he played a game from every position. Brown could play
Speaker 4: every position from the one of the five. He could
Speaker 4: be the GM, he could be the coach, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. Like he could be the defensive guy.
Speaker 4: He could do it all. So that's my favorite. And uh,
Speaker 4: number three, I'm gonna go with Alan Iverson. Oh, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go with Alan Iverson. This is my personal know,
Speaker 4: my personal list, just because Alan Iverson has so much
Speaker 4: cultural impact on me as a kid.
Speaker 1: All of them.
Speaker 4: I didn't really grow up wanting to be like Mike.
Speaker 4: I wanted to be like a Yi, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. So that's that's my top three. What year
Speaker 4: were you born nineteen ninety Yeah, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I said, we just I think
Speaker 2: people would be up in arms but with your list.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, like we have to we
Speaker 2: only know what we know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We can go back and.
Speaker 2: See, but until you really see it, Like it's hard
Speaker 2: for me to judge what happened back in the sixties
Speaker 2: and the fifties, Like it's hard for me to judge,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. With all due respect to
Speaker 2: those players, So you on in the nineties, you know,
Speaker 2: Mike's run was.
Speaker 4: Like I lived with them players, Like Mike was something
Speaker 4: my uncles talked about and everybody told me about. But
Speaker 4: it's like I didn't live through the mic there, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. I didn't watch games on T
Speaker 4: and T of Mike like I'll watched Ai, Kobe and Lebrun.
Speaker 1: You just knew the shoes was fresh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, everybody wanted to mic you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, Like we had to have some jays on
Speaker 4: like you know what I mean. But as a player,
Speaker 4: it was my favorite three right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I ain't mad at that. Uh man, how's
Speaker 2: life just really? You know, recently released results take time Yeah,
Speaker 2: some heavy features on their pusher two chains. Uh, Roddy,
Speaker 2: what was that experience like? And what's life like right now?
Speaker 4: Man? Making the project was dope because it was, like,
Speaker 4: you know, I always grew up watching a lot of
Speaker 4: interviews trying to get information on how to get to
Speaker 4: where I was trying to go. So I never me
Speaker 4: personally when I listened to a lot of rappers, they
Speaker 4: don't never tell the other side of success sometimes, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. We always talk about the cars,
Speaker 4: the party in and like a few struggles that we
Speaker 4: didn't been through to get where we're at, But we
Speaker 4: don't really talk about the program directors who didn't play
Speaker 4: your record and certain shows you couldn't get on because
Speaker 4: you know, you didn't have a big enough fan base.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to approach this project to give people
Speaker 4: who's in that space to like trying to figure their
Speaker 4: career out, like the motivation to keep going. And that's
Speaker 4: what Results Take Time was about. And every feature that's
Speaker 4: on there is like a product or Results Take Time.
Speaker 4: If you listen to Roddy verse, me and Roddy kind
Speaker 4: of got a relationship. I mean, you had we knew
Speaker 4: each other before everything took off same thing with two chains,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So it was people who
Speaker 4: was a part of my come up and I got
Speaker 4: to see them go up as well. And as far
Speaker 4: as life, bro this shit.
Speaker 1: Lit straight up on everything you thought it would be.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not gonna say that because I feel like
Speaker 4: sometimes we have it like a perception of what our
Speaker 4: dreams look like in our mind and we get there
Speaker 4: and it don't look like that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like it's it's what you thought, but it's in.
Speaker 1: A different way.
Speaker 4: I was just telling one of my homegirls on the
Speaker 4: way over here because I'm going on tour Friday, and
Speaker 4: I was like, man, I really don't even know if
Speaker 4: I want to go, like cause I just got this
Speaker 4: new studio. I'm trying to make new music, right, I'm
Speaker 4: in a whole nother mold. But then I have to
Speaker 4: think about it, like, man, I used to dream to
Speaker 4: just make some money off music, dude, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, pay my bills. It's like, why would I
Speaker 4: not go right, you know what I mean? Like, this
Speaker 4: is all our work force. So I'm finna go hit
Speaker 4: this road for the next month and half. Where you
Speaker 4: at it everywhere. We are twenty four cities from New York, Philly, Houston, Vegas, LA,
Speaker 4: We everywhere, Virginia, everywhere.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: Reckingging by the Who's Who? The lebron shacked Doctor Dre.
Speaker 2: Your freestyles really resonate. My personal favorite was the one
Speaker 2: you did on funk Flex with your Tupac Shit.
Speaker 1: What does that mean to you?
Speaker 2: To be recognized by the names I listed and then
Speaker 2: any conversations or friendships grow from those type from those people.
Speaker 4: Definitely. I just ran in the Drada the other night.
Speaker 4: We was actually in the same restaurant. We were just
Speaker 4: talking about Lincoln back up. But that should be validation. Bro.
Speaker 4: It's just like when you get in the league, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, remember your first game and you
Speaker 4: looking at somebody used to watch, like, damn, I'm really guarders.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. It's it's the same feeling.
Speaker 4: So it's validation, but it's also like motivation to just
Speaker 4: keep going because you see how far they went and
Speaker 4: it's like I don't never want to be the the
Speaker 4: rapper that like could have did this, could have been
Speaker 4: that could took it this far. It's like I'm trying
Speaker 4: to actually go that far. So a lot of my
Speaker 4: process these days is like taking my time. Like I
Speaker 4: ain't really moving with social media. I'm kind of moving
Speaker 4: to the beat of my own drum because I could
Speaker 4: rush some shit and fuck everything up, and I ain't
Speaker 4: trying to do that right now. So it's just everything
Speaker 4: I'm doing right now, it's just like strategic and taking
Speaker 4: my time with it to just master before I offer
Speaker 4: it to the world.
Speaker 1: Your upbringing, yeah, talk about that. You moved around a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, grew up in the Bay from the Bay, was
Speaker 4: born in the Bay. And you know my mom, my
Speaker 4: mom was like a female me or I'm like a
Speaker 4: male her, you know what I'm saying. But she moved around.
Speaker 4: My mom was a hustler. She did a lot, and
Speaker 4: she got into real estate. And when she jumped into
Speaker 4: real estate, she just started like copping cribs at different places,
Speaker 4: Vegas and you know, Texas, just all these different places,
Speaker 4: and we were moving around and being a key. All
Speaker 4: I knew was the Bay areas. All I know is
Speaker 4: my culture. So I'm going into these other cultures just
Speaker 4: like popping my collars, like trying to pimp and shit,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean.
Speaker 4: Doing shit I had no business doing, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. But it taught me, like everybody don't move
Speaker 4: like this, you know what I mean. Like it's different cultures.
Speaker 4: Like you go to the South, you see you know, strippers,
Speaker 4: chicken wings and niggas getting fly all day. You know
Speaker 4: what I mean. Like you come to the Bay, we
Speaker 4: just hustling. You got a white T shirt, blue jeans,
Speaker 4: as long as your kicks fresh, and you get in
Speaker 4: to the bag. You got a car, you straight, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So moving around seeing like different
Speaker 4: things of like what the world got to offer open
Speaker 4: my mind or you know what I mean. And that's
Speaker 4: why my music's so broad, because I tried to speak
Speaker 4: to different audiences other than the demographic I come from.
Speaker 3: You who you balled out in your teenage years talking
Speaker 3: about being the d one hooper.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I ain't go d one Oh. I got
Speaker 4: caught chee no man say team. That's what happens why
Speaker 4: I started rapping. Okay, I got I got this theory though,
Speaker 4: like most niggas who raped didn't make it to the
Speaker 4: league because you like you talk too much shit about
Speaker 4: making it to the least. It's like I can't go
Speaker 4: Getty story man, Broh.
Speaker 3: So I didn't pass SATs either. I thought it like
Speaker 3: nine times my niggas, So I feel you.
Speaker 4: I had a similar situation. It's just somebody extra in
Speaker 4: the house and the person who brought the test wasn't
Speaker 4: paying attention like that, so he has to turn around
Speaker 4: and I was caught. So I ain't past clearing house rules, right.
Speaker 4: So they wanted me to go to a j C.
Speaker 4: And I was like, I didn't talk too much ship
Speaker 4: to go to the thirteenth grade, you know, like everybody
Speaker 4: from my high school friend to go to this junior college.
Speaker 4: I didn't talk too much ship. I can't do it.
Speaker 4: So I started rapping, bro like that's how.
Speaker 1: I became a rapper for just not for everybody.
Speaker 4: I couldn't do it, bron, I talked too much hoop ship,
Speaker 4: and it was like, I gotta go do something else.
Speaker 1: And the GQ you talk about the fight with your
Speaker 1: basketball coach.
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, so I had a coach. He played for
Speaker 4: the Lakers. I think he had like a ten day
Speaker 4: in the eighties or something like, what name rich It's
Speaker 4: rich or Rick Mixing. I'm gonna look that up, rich
Speaker 4: Mixing Mixing. Yeah, but he was one of them coaches
Speaker 4: that was like, I feel like he just had this
Speaker 4: like extra ego because he was like the first coach
Speaker 4: the school had that like actually played in the league,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So he came in with
Speaker 4: just like this cockiness on him. So one day we
Speaker 4: in practice and he just starts singling me out. He
Speaker 4: just liked it because I used to love to dunk.
Speaker 4: I always just go for the dunk, no matter where
Speaker 4: I'm trying to dunk on somebody, right because I was
Speaker 4: hell athletics, and he'd just be like it, this game
Speaker 4: is not about athletics and jumping and you gotta be
Speaker 4: a skit. So I'm just feeling like he's singing with
Speaker 4: me out, you know what i mean. So we getting
Speaker 4: to this argument there and I'm just like fucking, I'm
Speaker 4: I quit, you know what I'm saying, like I ain't
Speaker 4: coming back, but I'm doing it to try to get
Speaker 4: him to be like no, no, no, no, no, hold on,
Speaker 4: he ain't say that. He ain't say that. So I
Speaker 4: had to stand on it. I stand on it, and
Speaker 4: you know, that was the end of my high.
Speaker 1: School basketball around. That was it.
Speaker 4: It was over. I got into with two different coaches
Speaker 4: him and it was another one called Eric Bamberger, and
Speaker 4: I quit because I was Bamberger bam Burger.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 4: I was about to play varsity my freshman year. He
Speaker 4: brought me up to me and him got into it,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I ain't gonna play next year,
Speaker 4: like trying to get the same reaction being dumb. It
Speaker 4: ain't work, bro.
Speaker 1: So that was you know, you gotta throw that tactic away.
Speaker 4: I've been through that. I left, I left that one.
Speaker 4: I left that one. In high school. I started listening
Speaker 4: ship and sixty first, there he is, Okay, there he
Speaker 4: is coach.
Speaker 1: He was. He couldn't talk no ship to nobody was trading.
Speaker 4: He was talking that ship stack. He was talking that ship.
Speaker 1: Like I slapped a couple of coaches talking ship. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And he was one that was like a try to
Speaker 4: get on the court and play you too, Like I.
Speaker 3: Definitely would have slapped the nigga getting drafted one hundred
Speaker 3: ninety seven.
Speaker 1: I definitely slap your head. Who would you compare your
Speaker 1: game to?
Speaker 4: I was like Alane Stevenson. I was like.
Speaker 2: Dance one of the funniest I ever had in my
Speaker 2: whole life. We were traded for each other one year
Speaker 2: and somehow he ended up I'm back on my team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 4: That's the type of player.
Speaker 1: Last I fuck with Last shout out Last. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I related the lance a lot because it's like I
Speaker 4: feel like we the type of players to where it's
Speaker 4: like our game come from our energy, Like we get
Speaker 4: fewer from what's going on in the game, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. So talking shit and tagonizing somebody, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? It just bring that that spark out.
Speaker 4: You Warriors fan, yep, I was there for than we believe.
Speaker 4: They talk about it that. You probably don't even remember this,
Speaker 4: and I'm a finer. I think I showed you this
Speaker 4: picture before. Remember the year when they honored y'all. I
Speaker 4: think it was like twenty sixteen and the Warriors was
Speaker 4: playing the Jazz.
Speaker 1: It was seventeen seventeen. I went back to the Warriors.
Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty seventeen, Remember they honored do we believe team
Speaker 4: in playoffs?
Speaker 1: Media? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Remember that night? It was j Rich, it was you,
Speaker 4: it was uh, it was two more. But I was
Speaker 4: in the car with y'all. We was freestyling and we
Speaker 4: went to San Francisco that night got.
Speaker 2: That's we was burnt that night he was there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we was in the car freestyling word. Yeah that night.
Speaker 4: That night they got love, but no, I grew up
Speaker 4: with holol.
Speaker 1: Please do you remember Bead? How was his verse?
Speaker 4: You know? BD got that? Yeah, Old Bed got that
Speaker 4: cool ass. I'm coming through, folks, So you know I'm
Speaker 4: getting close. All was small. He come through it, that
Speaker 4: laid back ass. I'm too cool to wrap, but I
Speaker 4: love to rap around.
Speaker 1: I'm too cool to rap. I can tell you this.
Speaker 3: Baron Davis has the most unreleased music.
Speaker 1: Any human being.
Speaker 4: Hear ten songs together, and none of them, not one one.
Speaker 4: He called me one day. We got this little called Sweet.
Speaker 4: He like, yeah, I just wrote the treatment, but you know,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about shooting a video. I gotta run to
Speaker 4: do something for T and T. And then I got
Speaker 4: this Hulu show I'm working on and me and what's
Speaker 4: the other dude? The hoop? What's the hoop?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 4: On Instagram? Beat Out? Beat Out and beat Out? I
Speaker 4: got a show were doing, so when I get back,
Speaker 4: we go shoot the video?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 4: BD?
Speaker 3: Hey BD, It's just he's one of the most If
Speaker 3: you need an idea, sit down and talk to him
Speaker 3: for ten fifteen minutes. He's gonna give you twenty ideas,
Speaker 3: and I guarantee you one of them gonna work.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna he.
Speaker 1: Might not be the guy to get it done. You
Speaker 1: might have to go off on youall execution, but he
Speaker 1: gonna come up with it.
Speaker 4: For sure. Shut out to B.
Speaker 2: Yes, Sir, my brother b D What did that we
Speaker 2: believe time mean to the to the Bay in particular?
Speaker 4: Man, it was so turned bro, because it was like
Speaker 4: always say, like when like Stephan them came like after
Speaker 4: Monte left. It was like a new culture that came in.
Speaker 4: But I felt like it represented a different side of
Speaker 4: the Bay, Like it represented like more like the Silicon
Speaker 4: Valleys and like you know what I mean, y'all five
Speaker 4: was the Filmo five y'all represented. Yeah, y'all represented Bay
Speaker 4: Area culture, you know what I mean? Like BD Dunkan
Speaker 4: pulling the jersey up, you know what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 4: it was just that's that's how we was in the base.
Speaker 4: So it's like being a kid getting to go to
Speaker 4: some of those games, bro and then seeing y'all win
Speaker 4: that first round, you know what I mean? Versus the
Speaker 4: Mavericks like it made the city just feel like shit.
Speaker 4: We could win too. Anything we want to do, we
Speaker 4: could win at it. Like I remember going to twenty
Speaker 4: four our fitness just going on a run when y'all
Speaker 4: want I was doing crazy on my teeth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of the dopest shit though for me. I
Speaker 3: remember we used to be we used to play games.
Speaker 3: We uhould go out rose and we in the club.
Speaker 3: It is our whole team. But all everybody who got
Speaker 3: the tree in the city, they all with us.
Speaker 1: So we didn't pay the tree. Not one time. I
Speaker 1: got like two three ounces a night. Yeah, all smoking
Speaker 1: in the club a bottle I'm talking about. She was unreal.
Speaker 4: They all fight, Yeah, when they take care of you.
Speaker 2: I remember how you not to cut you off the
Speaker 2: I remember how it used to be, like when the
Speaker 2: like the Raiders in the in the forty nine would
Speaker 2: happen to be like if we go to the city
Speaker 2: and they would be in the club first you would
Speaker 2: see everyone in their section, and then our team would
Speaker 2: come in.
Speaker 1: And what happened, Jack, everybody's the whole the war. Ye
Speaker 1: come and this is where it's real.
Speaker 2: It was back in the JaMarcus Russell days. When he
Speaker 2: kept getting hit for his ship. It was during them,
Speaker 2: Mars Russell. I want to hear his I want to
Speaker 2: see what happened to him. That's my boy, man, I
Speaker 2: want to hear what happened.
Speaker 4: We need you biggest.
Speaker 2: He's sports one of us fail ever, it's unfortunately he
Speaker 2: was so good man and then this.
Speaker 3: This is why I have sympathy for him, because I'm
Speaker 3: a I fuck with the serve hard. I had I
Speaker 3: o D twice while I got in the leaguefore I
Speaker 3: turned eighteen, I d twice, So I know what he
Speaker 3: could do, you know what I'm saying. So I hate
Speaker 3: that because it could have happened to me early. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, because I grew up around it.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So I just hate that.
Speaker 3: What that was the determining factor for him to not
Speaker 3: be playing football Atimore?
Speaker 1: Stack, I hear you facts. I'm just saying I hate it.
Speaker 4: But I don't know about that, man, because if you
Speaker 4: JaMarcus Russ.
Speaker 1: Was number one, right, yeah, number one pick?
Speaker 4: Number one pick?
Speaker 1: What pick was you Stack? Second to last?
Speaker 4: You had a reason to be slippings and servin. You
Speaker 4: was stressed out, brother, You had a reason this nigga
Speaker 4: was number one broke dig. You're right, he didn't have
Speaker 4: no business sipping those serve broke dig no business. I
Speaker 4: can't out with that one.
Speaker 1: Dig. I feel you on that, I feel I feel you.
Speaker 4: Second the last you stress it ship going on? If
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make it listening to know he won? Yeah, man,
Speaker 4: come on the hell up? Come on man, you get
Speaker 4: him on the show. We need to get markets on
Speaker 4: the show. I want to watch that episode. Bring your
Speaker 4: ass on the show, JaMarcus. We want to hear from.
Speaker 2: You music scene growing up in the Bay. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: his own world. You know, you grew up in the
Speaker 2: Hyphi era, but obviously the tradition of pod to forty
Speaker 2: the short the list goes on hieroglyphics, mac Ma, What
Speaker 2: was that like for you and who did you gravitate
Speaker 2: to as a youngster.
Speaker 4: Man in the Bay I was a big E forty
Speaker 4: fan too short of course, But the person that I
Speaker 4: was like a fan of outside of the music was
Speaker 4: mac Dre. Like mac Dre was like the first time
Speaker 4: I've seen a Bay Area rapper like really brand himself,
Speaker 4: Like the Heifhei movement is mac Dre. It's everything, Mack
Speaker 4: Dre and bodies. You know what I'm saying. But growing up,
Speaker 4: like I said, with my mom, I moved around a lot.
Speaker 4: So through moving around a lot, I would be hearing
Speaker 4: jay Z's over here, Lil Wayne's and I just fell
Speaker 4: in love with different type of music. So great music
Speaker 4: is my influence. I don't just have like one influence.
Speaker 4: Like Mac mal influenced me, you know what I mean
Speaker 4: with songs he may keep the Sneak influenced me. Zero
Speaker 4: from Houston influenced me, boom p. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Out in New York. He influenced Murder Mook influenced me.
Speaker 4: When I watching battle rap like it's just great shit
Speaker 4: is what I'm influenced by.
Speaker 3: E Stevenson too. Man with Earl Stevens the collection, shout
Speaker 3: I ever see her everybody on the set forty Yeah,
Speaker 3: you blessed me with all his sparkling wines, all his
Speaker 3: we got twenty different wines and.
Speaker 1: The staff was able to you and Doug and down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you blessed. Shout out to Earl Stevenson.
Speaker 2: I need some goon on the spoon or going with now,
Speaker 2: Earl Steves.
Speaker 4: I'all gonna get his wine and he got that tequila
Speaker 4: into and he got that Yeah, so he got it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's your plug commercial.
Speaker 2: What is it like growing up analyzing these people and
Speaker 2: then being shouldered to shoulder with him?
Speaker 4: See it be cool? Will motherfucker's be like? Y'all right?
Speaker 4: I grew up watching y'all Doctor Dre. Everything I thought
Speaker 4: Doctor Dre is is more than what I thought, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. But some of these motherfuckers gross,
Speaker 4: Like I thought they were something totally different, and then
Speaker 4: you meet them and it be like, oh, this motherfucker's
Speaker 4: batshit crazy, you know what I'm saying. Like I don't
Speaker 4: even want to be around you, Like like I don't
Speaker 4: want to take a picture with you. I don't even
Speaker 4: want people to know I met you. How about that?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? And it was once upon
Speaker 4: a time I wanted to meet you. So it's a
Speaker 4: fifty to fifty thing because everybody ain't who they say
Speaker 4: they is, right, you know, And you realize that as
Speaker 4: you go and it's not to be uh spoken down upon.
Speaker 4: People got their own things they go through. It's just
Speaker 4: me personally, I don't like to be around it. So
Speaker 4: I rock with who, I rock with you, right, Yeah?
Speaker 4: And when I don't, you know, rock with somebody, I
Speaker 4: keep my distance. I ain't going under the bridge. It's
Speaker 4: somewhere to say that wrong orders, just say you do
Speaker 4: what you do. I'm gonna do what I do.
Speaker 1: We had another barrier product or brother yours the Russell.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We went to the Pergola. Yeah, shut out the Pergola. Yeah,
Speaker 2: almost cafe. We was in Valley. Joe Potato.
Speaker 4: I just seen him last night, which is crazy.
Speaker 2: Talk about you guys, relationship and and and obviously your
Speaker 2: paths being signed to a major and everything he's pushing.
Speaker 2: He's on this independent path, is telling his story now,
Speaker 2: but talk about just your relationship and in the way
Speaker 2: he's moving.
Speaker 4: Definitely. We were just together last night. We actually got
Speaker 4: a song that's about to come out that I've never
Speaker 4: even told no one, But you got a new song
Speaker 4: coming out. It's called one Hell Level Feeling.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we got a very unique relationship because we
Speaker 4: want the same thing, but we go about it two
Speaker 4: different ways. And that's okay, you know what I mean
Speaker 4: me personally, Like I always tell him, I never was
Speaker 4: great at assembling teams, right, He's somebody that's very good
Speaker 4: at that. So I could never assemble the right team
Speaker 4: around me to like flourish independently. I needed people at
Speaker 4: a higher level to kind of like show me the
Speaker 4: ropes and like introduce me to people that can help
Speaker 4: me get it right.
Speaker 2: He not to cut you off. He introduced that's as
Speaker 2: like seventeen eighteen people on every one of them had
Speaker 2: a job. Yeah, this is the song. So this is
Speaker 2: the song. I was like, you call the home. He's
Speaker 2: got a job like that. Shit is incredible, but go ahead.
Speaker 1: Nah.
Speaker 4: And that's like something he I tell him all the time,
Speaker 4: like he's scared special. Yeah it's a skill, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. I'm more of a firecracker. So it's
Speaker 4: like I ain't got patience. Like he got a lot
Speaker 4: more patience than me. So it's like if somebody fucking
Speaker 4: what time, I'm like, fuck this motherfucker, I'm going to
Speaker 4: I'm do it myself. So me personally, I like the
Speaker 4: major approach more because with the major approach, not only
Speaker 4: do you get more resources, you get a lot more opportunity,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, to do things and you're
Speaker 4: getting your money up front, you know, So it's like
Speaker 4: versus independent. Full of Russia is different because, like I say,
Speaker 4: he is simple to team. But for the average independent
Speaker 4: artists who are trying to that shit is difficult, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. You be doing a lot of
Speaker 4: work to just make fifteen hundred dollars or something like this,
Speaker 4: And I respect the work that goes into it. But
Speaker 4: for me personally, I'm finna go get this half a
Speaker 4: meal for a couple of projects. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Give them what they want and come back and get
Speaker 4: some more, you know what I mean. That's just my
Speaker 4: way of doing things. So shout out to bro Man
Speaker 4: because I truly like saluting in his path because that's
Speaker 4: a tough journey.
Speaker 1: Stage name symbol. How did that come up? I come about?
Speaker 1: How you think? Yep?
Speaker 4: That's my favorite movie.
Speaker 1: That's your favorite movie.
Speaker 4: That's my favorite movie as a kid, and all my
Speaker 4: cousins in the neighborhood, my family just all will call
Speaker 4: me little symbol, a little simble little symbol. So when
Speaker 4: I started rapping, it just stuck with me.
Speaker 1: Easy. That's something your favorite rapper? Hole? Yeah?
Speaker 4: How oh that nigga? Like the pops I never had?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying like he was just like
Speaker 4: telling motherfuckers like about LLC's and you know, how to
Speaker 4: start a business, how to put your money into certain things,
Speaker 4: just early and being a cool person like that has
Speaker 4: influence that you want to be. You naturally want to
Speaker 4: listen to somebody like that. A lot of people be
Speaker 4: telling you shit and it's like they ain't even done
Speaker 4: this shit they telling you to do right, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, This somebody that really didn't done it
Speaker 4: and explaining like back to us, like hey, this is how.
Speaker 1: You do it.
Speaker 4: Change is cool to cop the most important as lawyer
Speaker 4: fees like you know what I mean, Like he was
Speaker 4: teaching us this early. So I just grew up like
Speaker 4: wanting to, like in my music, like be informative that way,
Speaker 4: like give people game, because it's like, don't just telling
Speaker 4: motherfucker Like I think like Nip said that if you're
Speaker 4: sharing your success and not your struggle, you was a fool.
Speaker 4: You start to look like food, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like it's I never been I want to just brag
Speaker 4: about my success. I'd rather tell somebody how I got
Speaker 4: here so they could get here as well.
Speaker 3: Right, That's how it's supposed to be speaking of that
Speaker 3: along that journey, Like who gave you that confidence? Like
Speaker 3: the russ will say, I didn't make it here, I've
Speaker 3: told your souls and keep going. There's always somebody that
Speaker 3: like I Olgi that told you, Bro, keep going staut
Speaker 3: of line, I mean styut of trouble. You got it,
Speaker 3: You're gonna make it one day. You had anybody like
Speaker 3: that coming up that you can that you remember.
Speaker 4: Shit my mom for sure.
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 4: But mostly like the music, Bro, like listening the whole
Speaker 4: listening to Wayne, seeing people out know doing it, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. I watch Roddy like take over
Speaker 4: the world in like six months, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Nick was like the first big artist I ever worked with.
Speaker 4: Like he just invited me to his studio and went
Speaker 4: up there and I'm just looking at the books on
Speaker 4: the wall. He like, take a book. He give me
Speaker 4: in my camera, man, this book betweeny two Immutable Laws
Speaker 4: of Brandy. You know what I mean. That started making
Speaker 4: me look at myself as a product, not just a person.
Speaker 4: So all these little things play a part. Doing a
Speaker 4: show with ten people and somebody coming up, like Bro,
Speaker 4: I cried to that song. You know what I mean,
Speaker 4: keep going, like, don't ever give up. It's like that
Speaker 4: one person turn to three, three, turn a nine, nine,
Speaker 4: turn to eighteen, Like it's just a matter continuing to
Speaker 4: continuing to do the shit.
Speaker 1: Keep inspiring. Twenty nineteen, you signed with Atlanta Records. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how did that opportunity come about?
Speaker 4: Man? I was in the studio. I was freestyling on
Speaker 4: Instagram for a while and Donny Meadows, who I'm actually
Speaker 4: signed to on my production company, he had hit me
Speaker 4: in one of my Homies casts and he was like,
Speaker 4: Dallas Dallas Morton over at Atlantic is having an ox
Speaker 4: core party. Y'all should go through there. So Dallas party.
Speaker 4: Dallas used to throw these parties at the Warner office
Speaker 4: where he had let people pull up and they jump
Speaker 4: on the ox you know what I mean. And whoever
Speaker 4: got some good shit? You ended up going to New
Speaker 4: York for a meeting, you know, And that's what happened
Speaker 4: for me. So I pulled up and everybody was just
Speaker 4: sitting there playing the same shit, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like everybody had the same music, and I just set
Speaker 4: in it back. I ain't say nothing, And then Dallas
Speaker 4: looked at me, like, can't you be rapping on Instagram.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, like play some music. Play some music.
Speaker 4: Three days later we was going to New York to
Speaker 4: meet Julie Craig and Kaiser Shit. About a few weeks later,
Speaker 4: the deal was done.
Speaker 2: Mmmm, that's dope. Product set itself. Yeah, shout out to
Speaker 2: Dallas the homie. Yeah, man sell itself.
Speaker 1: In the midst of the pandemic.
Speaker 3: You dropped, don't run from rap, responsibilities and principles. Yeah,
Speaker 3: talk about that was what was the feeling in the
Speaker 3: mindset you was in. So the whole lot going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole concept with that project was like I
Speaker 4: was in this space where I didn't really know who
Speaker 4: I wanted to be as an artist, right, and like
Speaker 4: when you want to come up sometime I was like,
Speaker 4: sometimes you get influenced in it. Sometimes you just start
Speaker 4: copying motherfuckers, you know what I mean, Like you start
Speaker 4: doing with other people doing it because you see them winning,
Speaker 4: so you trying to do it. So I was at
Speaker 4: this point where I was just doing anything, and I
Speaker 4: was sitting with my homie one day and we was
Speaker 4: listening to like a bunch of different music. He was like, bro,
Speaker 4: like which one are you? And I was like, Bro,
Speaker 4: I love the rap, but this was people like to hear.
Speaker 4: He was like, man, don't run from rap. He was like,
Speaker 4: that's what you're good at, bro, don't run from rap.
Speaker 4: And that's when I just stopped doing everything and just
Speaker 4: focused on being a good rapper that can make good
Speaker 4: rap songs. And that was, you know, that phase of
Speaker 4: my life. But Don't Run from Rap was like becoming
Speaker 4: a rapper again and watching them documentaries and getting expired
Speaker 4: again and just writing raps every day.
Speaker 1: What's that process like to write a song? For you?
Speaker 4: So for me, it's different every time. Like songs for
Speaker 4: me is like moments. So it's like most of my
Speaker 4: songs come from just like moving around in life. So
Speaker 4: it's like I'll just be walking around, I hear somebody
Speaker 4: say something, I write it in my phone right or
Speaker 4: I think of something, put it on my phone, and
Speaker 4: I'll be in the studio here be pull that up,
Speaker 4: look at it like, oh shit, just work here. That
Speaker 4: end up becoming a song. Sometimes I'm drunkn shit off costamigos,
Speaker 4: and that shit just come right out in ten minutes,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's just two verses just
Speaker 4: right up, right up out of there, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? Hook everything, So it changes, it changes here
Speaker 4: and there, but for the most part, it is a
Speaker 4: lot of me going through life.
Speaker 2: Can you speak to your preference of in person versus
Speaker 2: over having to send it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it depends who how much?
Speaker 1: How much it is, not how much.
Speaker 4: Not how much.
Speaker 1: Let me give your example.
Speaker 3: You like working with people and getting that vibe in
Speaker 3: the studio, right, yeah, the bad crazy man. But I
Speaker 3: really ain't got time to sit that shit over. Yeah
Speaker 3: that's my point. Yeah, that's my point saying that ship.
Speaker 4: It's like sometimes he ain't got time to link it
Speaker 4: with him. And then sometimes some people work better by themselves.
Speaker 4: Everybody don't work good together, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So it's like you might be doing something that's throwing
Speaker 4: him off, or he could be doing something to throw
Speaker 4: you off. But when you got good chemistry, it's nothing
Speaker 4: like it, you know what I mean, Like it's it's
Speaker 4: it's nothing like when you got good chemistry, like me
Speaker 4: and dre b in the studio, Like we ain't made
Speaker 4: one bad song. You just got good fucking chemistry. I
Speaker 4: come in to beat, gonna be hard every time, So
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say some hard shit every time, but it's
Speaker 4: sometimes you in there and it's just like like pulling teeth,
Speaker 4: like you don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: Who's been that? I mean, it could be the person
Speaker 2: you just mentioned. Who's who's kind of left you in awe.
Speaker 2: After working with him for the first time.
Speaker 4: Kanye Kanye, I had to opportunity to go to the
Speaker 4: Mercedes ben Stadium when they was working on Donda living
Speaker 4: in the stadium, and I never seen nobody like orchestraight
Speaker 4: so much shit at one time, Like this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: He'd be over here designing a house with some people,
Speaker 4: right and it's like a million dollars worth of Balenciaga
Speaker 4: on the floor, Like he designing this and this for
Speaker 4: this fashion show, coming out of that room, jumping in
Speaker 4: the room to go lay a verse over here, lay
Speaker 4: the verse in the hook, come up out of there,
Speaker 4: go to the field where they doing choreography for the
Speaker 4: show that's coming up. He telling changing this, take the
Speaker 4: lights out, just everything, just all in one, and it
Speaker 4: was like I was just watching him, like God the
Speaker 4: fuck he got all his energy to do this, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like he being a rapper, the signer.
Speaker 1: Year the highest level all at once.
Speaker 4: Though, you know what I mean. He had come in
Speaker 4: rap on the he coming went up. He came in
Speaker 4: on the phone like this, boom. You know you got
Speaker 4: the voice memo. He on the voice memo, start rapping
Speaker 4: some shit.
Speaker 1: Boom, he dropped the phone.
Speaker 4: Y'all make that work. That motherfucker was busting.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: Came back. The whole song was done. Beat change. He'd
Speaker 4: do a song, bro, and take his vocal and send
Speaker 4: it to eighty different producers, and he'd like one part
Speaker 4: of this producer thing and one part of this one.
Speaker 4: He'd just start connecting shit and just bringing this here,
Speaker 4: moving this and change. It's like, I'm mother fucker genius.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: That was the one time I was like, god damn,
Speaker 4: Like I was amazed. I was amazed, And it takes
Speaker 4: a lot to amaze me. I didn't been in the
Speaker 4: lab with some of them boys, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: I got him. But that day I had to sit
Speaker 4: my ass down. I had to sit down and see
Speaker 4: what was going on.
Speaker 2: If you had a three joint album to produce with
Speaker 2: any artist pastor present, what three artists are you choosing?
Speaker 4: One whole, two future?
Speaker 1: Three Thames Tams she tough this you cannot die.
Speaker 2: Uh speaking to Jay, your favorite artist, You got a
Speaker 2: chance to meet him, talk to him at all?
Speaker 4: Jay? Hell no, Bro, I went to the Grammys. Bro,
Speaker 4: I'm in there. You know the whole day. I'm like,
Speaker 4: today gonna be today. I'm about the meeting today. I
Speaker 4: called my mom. I'm on the way to the ground.
Speaker 4: I'm a meeting today. I'm on the red carpet and
Speaker 4: I get in there. They like, yeah, jay Z and
Speaker 4: Beyonce's late. I'm my god, damn right, So I'm in there.
Speaker 4: Watch I'm moving around. So they get ready to do
Speaker 4: the guy did performance all or whatever. So I'm thinking
Speaker 4: they about to do a live in person right. So
Speaker 4: when I seen the video come up with a prison,
Speaker 4: I said, damn, he gone. They ain't meeting. I thought
Speaker 4: I was gonna meet him at the Grammys. But I
Speaker 4: ain't never met him yet. Man, I can't wait for
Speaker 4: that day.
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen for sure?
Speaker 3: From your point of view, why does sports and music
Speaker 3: go in and.
Speaker 4: Man? Because it is the music motivate the sport, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Music motivate us in the gym,
Speaker 4: to motivate us to go work. Out, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, and motivate us to just push harder. And
Speaker 4: just as athletes, we all got a competitive drive right
Speaker 4: the same way as rappers we competitive. So it's like
Speaker 4: a sport, you know, Rappers like a sport, just like
Speaker 4: hoop is a sport. The football is a sport. So
Speaker 4: that competitive the nature just wanting to be the best
Speaker 4: in something, you know what I mean, having to get
Speaker 4: up and go grind and work for that. Music fuels that,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It helps you get up
Speaker 4: and go do that. So I think it go hand
Speaker 4: in hand for those reasons. What would you say?
Speaker 1: I mean? I mean, I agree.
Speaker 3: I think for me, music is just basically explained, like
Speaker 3: I can listen to certain albums and that'd be like
Speaker 3: the soundtrack of my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like I've heard a lot of albums that I can
Speaker 3: correlate to, you know what I'm saying. So it feels
Speaker 3: like even like songs when I've been successful, it's a
Speaker 3: certain song I want to play, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: that will take me and make me emotional or make
Speaker 3: me appreciate where I've been. So music is a big
Speaker 3: part of it because you know they tell they tell
Speaker 3: stories that you can't tell yourself.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, y'all can.
Speaker 3: Y'all can articulate and put and put and put stuff
Speaker 3: together where people can understand it, where we can even
Speaker 3: understand it. We can live something and go through something,
Speaker 3: but somebody will rapping and put together like yep, that's yep.
Speaker 3: I wish I could have put it like that, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So you're exactly right. They go
Speaker 3: hand and in.
Speaker 4: Nah, and it's the same thing. We're raped because it's
Speaker 4: like when we were in the studio, we watching sports, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, like and we all dreamed about
Speaker 4: doing one of them two things, you know, playing sports
Speaker 4: or making music one of the others. So it's like
Speaker 4: that shit be motivating, bro, like both sides to go together.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: It was a good feeling to get that call from
Speaker 3: Braun to be on Space Jam two soundtrack.
Speaker 4: Bron ain't actually called me.
Speaker 3: I mean, but you know that's that's still coming from it.
Speaker 4: Played a part though with him with him posting the thing.
Speaker 4: Actually how it happened was Donny Meadows. Due to I
Speaker 4: mentioned earlier, he hit me and was like, Yo, they
Speaker 4: working on this song with John Legend and Chance the Rapper.
Speaker 4: They can't figure out a hook. They was trying to see,
Speaker 4: you can come over there and write a hook. So
Speaker 4: I went over there, did the hook like shit ten minutes.
Speaker 4: I was already fired up that day, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, vibbing you know what I mean. Came through there,
Speaker 4: knocked the hook out, and then they was like, man,
Speaker 4: you as well try to do a verse, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, try to knock out a verse. When
Speaker 4: there knocked the verse out, they actually ended up cutting
Speaker 4: my verse short. It was a little longer, but it
Speaker 4: was too personal whatever.
Speaker 1: He took it out, but too hard. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: Not wasn't too hard. I was really kind of big
Speaker 4: enough bron for posting me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And they was like, you know, it kind of go
Speaker 4: too much with the movie and everything. So but he
Speaker 4: knocked it out.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: But I actually met him at the Red Carpet. That
Speaker 4: was the first time we actually met. And then he
Speaker 4: came to my show. I did a show at the
Speaker 4: Roxy in August. Him and Draymond came. He brought Savannah
Speaker 4: and everything. So it was dope, bro, like he always
Speaker 4: d and me like when I'm posting shit like keep going,
Speaker 4: like I'd be like appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Like that's one thing about him. Like that's why I
Speaker 3: said he did go for me for different reasons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he do shit.
Speaker 3: Mike would never and you know, like the fact like
Speaker 3: a basketball players too though, like on some ship, I
Speaker 3: always say this, he did something that every basketball player
Speaker 3: that came along tried to do, and nobody got it right.
Speaker 3: He brought his homies put them in place to win,
Speaker 3: just just as what they really winning, really winning.
Speaker 4: That's the hardest ship in the world.
Speaker 1: Man, Nobody I got it wrong. Everybody I know that
Speaker 1: that brought their homies along got it wrong.
Speaker 4: It's the hardest ship. Why do y'all think that's so hard?
Speaker 4: Let's talk about it.
Speaker 3: Because you gotta find niggas that want more for themselves
Speaker 3: just as much as you want for them, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And that and they was.
Speaker 3: They was willing to go to school, They was willing
Speaker 3: to learn their craft to be in positions that he
Speaker 3: wanted them in. Most people want you to do it
Speaker 3: form then you got money, so you just just make
Speaker 3: it happen for me.
Speaker 1: To work for it. Just buy it. It don't work
Speaker 1: like that, you know what I'm saying. Them niggas was
Speaker 1: willing to work and put in that work and look at.
Speaker 2: Them now, and and then some people act like they're
Speaker 2: you or you're they're the star or the person that's
Speaker 2: bringing them along. So I just think a lot of
Speaker 2: different things. Ship plays into that. But it's unfortunate. But
Speaker 2: there's a very few people that could say, like I
Speaker 2: really brought the homies along.
Speaker 4: That's why I said, Like we was talking about Larussell,
Speaker 4: I was like I saluted him because it's like that
Speaker 4: was my dream to like bring all my homies. But
Speaker 4: it's like the problem I had coming up was like
Speaker 4: a lot of my homies wrapped too, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. So it was like when they would try
Speaker 4: to convert to be a manager role or a different role,
Speaker 4: it's like they secretly still want to be the rapper, right,
Speaker 4: you know. So it's hard to kind of make that work.
Speaker 1: To many cooks in the kitchen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's it was real tough for me to
Speaker 4: try to do that as well. That's why I reached
Speaker 4: out and got outsource help.
Speaker 1: No, like you said, there's different routes.
Speaker 2: But obviously, I feel like his route is going to
Speaker 2: be that much more special when he made Obviously it's
Speaker 2: special when you make it, but when when he has
Speaker 2: this whole team with him, it's just like, that's what
Speaker 2: you kind of because you hear the hew cutthroat and
Speaker 2: dangerous the business and shady the businesses at time, not everybody,
Speaker 2: but at times. But he's gonna have his own his
Speaker 2: family around him, you know what I mean. So definitely
Speaker 2: a solute for that. That's gonna be dope state of
Speaker 2: hip hop in your mind right now.
Speaker 4: Man, We're in a unique space right now. To be honest,
Speaker 4: I know we like the number one genre, but I
Speaker 4: think that's slowly coming to an end. Not an end,
Speaker 4: but I think that's changing. I think music's becoming very
Speaker 4: universal and hip hop artists, we're not making good records.
Speaker 1: You saving it.
Speaker 3: I ain't cutting you off, but you saving it because
Speaker 3: the reason why because it's a substance. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 3: why your music and so is fresh, and because you're
Speaker 3: saying something that resonates exactly. And I appreciate that from
Speaker 3: you because, like you say, so many people follow us. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and the bullshit sells exactly. So you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: It says a lot about you what you stand on,
Speaker 3: not for sure, you know, to go against the grain
Speaker 3: and still be successful.
Speaker 4: And like what Stack's saying is like he's saying substance.
Speaker 4: He ain't saying lyrical ability or mumble all this. Like
Speaker 4: little Baby got a lot of substance, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. Therk got a lot of substance. I love
Speaker 4: listening to them. I was just listening to rich On
Speaker 4: me Kwan on the way over. He just dropped some
Speaker 4: new shit. It's it's people out here making good music.
Speaker 4: But I feel like us as a whole and hip hop,
Speaker 4: like everybody just copying was working for somebody else and
Speaker 4: nobody really being authentic to the No, I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: say nobody. A lot of people aren't really being authentic
Speaker 4: to themselves. And we're not like pushing the culture forward.
Speaker 4: We're just continuing to do what works for streaming or
Speaker 4: TikTok or something like that.
Speaker 1: Water it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm trying to. I'm trying to I'm trying
Speaker 4: to put that steak on the plate man, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. I'm trying to push that creativity as
Speaker 4: far as I can and really give us something to feel.
Speaker 2: When when would you say, what age did you feel
Speaker 2: like you started rapping, like really rapping.
Speaker 4: I started when I was like nah, but I told
Speaker 4: you I really started when I got caught up the
Speaker 4: team seventeen.
Speaker 1: I'm that's what it's like. It really.
Speaker 4: It was still a fun thing. But when it was
Speaker 4: like I'm a rapper is when I knew I wasn't
Speaker 4: gonna be a hooper. Yeah yeah, I said, this is
Speaker 4: what I'm doing. I'm not going to get a job.
Speaker 4: And that's nothing against a job. I just talked too
Speaker 4: much shit to go get a job.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I told motherfuckers, I'm finna go to the league. I'm
Speaker 4: finna come by the gym and repaint this motherfucker I'm doing.
Speaker 4: I can't. I can't. I can't. You can do it
Speaker 4: now though, facts, you know what I'm saying. But it
Speaker 4: was like back then, it was like I can't. So
Speaker 4: when I knew I wasn't gonna hoop, I'm like, I'm rapping.
Speaker 4: That's what it was.
Speaker 2: To reflect on your journey, it hasn't been long, but
Speaker 2: what what have you learned the most about yourself, you
Speaker 2: feel in this sense that day to now.
Speaker 4: Man, Bro, you know what's crazy. I was just telling
Speaker 4: my baby moms. Bro, he was talking this morning, and
Speaker 4: I was telling her, it's crazy kind of what I
Speaker 4: was telling y'all, Like, it's crazy because in your mind,
Speaker 4: you see your dream happen in one way and then
Speaker 4: it don't go that way. So for me, I never
Speaker 4: had like the perfect success story, like my shit didn't
Speaker 4: happen like I made my third song and that motherfucker
Speaker 4: went viral and I turned up tour the world, became
Speaker 4: the biggest artist. It didn't happen for me that way.
Speaker 4: It took me ten years to learn how to write
Speaker 4: good music, you know what I mean. It took me
Speaker 4: a lot of time to learn how to write a hook.
Speaker 4: So everything I am today this is like fifteen years
Speaker 4: and to make it, and I still ain't where I
Speaker 4: want to be, you know what I mean. I still
Speaker 4: ain't got a number one album, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I still ain't had a number one record. But I'm
Speaker 4: gonna get that motherfucker, you know what i mean. Keep
Speaker 4: working til I get it. But I never had that
Speaker 4: story of just right coming out. My shit just blew
Speaker 4: up like that. My shit was a lot of work
Speaker 4: and a lot of progress. It's been times, bruh. I
Speaker 4: been down bad, you know, in studios with people like
Speaker 4: just learning, you know what I mean, trying to get
Speaker 4: some information that I could apply to better myself.
Speaker 1: Where do you see yourself in ten years with your music?
Speaker 4: I'm'a be out of music in ten years, bro, M
Speaker 4: trying to start this media conglomerate. Man, i'm uh, I'm
Speaker 4: on some shit. I just purchased you know, a a
Speaker 4: a property. You know that we getting ready to build
Speaker 4: out as a media hub that we producing content out
Speaker 4: of music as well. I'm looking for new producers to
Speaker 4: sign and artists.
Speaker 1: So I'm i'm'a of.
Speaker 4: Course always be making music, but I see myself being
Speaker 4: on mobile bro like this this is just a stepping
Speaker 4: stone for me.
Speaker 1: Doing podcast podcast there too, right Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm got my sports show coming sooner.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now we we we gonna do some things together night. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, try to bring the umbrella over to the umbrella.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, as you do so well, my brother Paramount.
Speaker 4: Definitely definitely.
Speaker 1: Oh man, this has been dope. Man.
Speaker 2: We really appreciate your time were heading down the home
Speaker 2: stretch right now. So first thing to come to mind, Taco,
Speaker 2: let us know we're gonna put you on the spot
Speaker 2: right now. Okay, So give us a freestyle real quick.
Speaker 4: Oh ho, Pello talking on a hundred thousand beat for him? No, no,
Speaker 4: no beat, no beat. Okay, it's gotta be heard. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm Pello talking on a hundred thousand moon walking over mountains.
Speaker 4: That's four hundred ounces. When I was younger, I prayed
Speaker 4: for this power. I just wish they would have told
Speaker 4: me this don't come with flowers. I never lived in
Speaker 4: public housing. Mama always found a way to keep us grounded.
Speaker 4: Nanny died, my family got divided, my uncle lost his mind.
Speaker 4: That nigga never found it. I'm in a generation of
Speaker 4: valley dation, when niggas always on vacation from their mama basement.
Speaker 4: These bitches turned these niggas to an occupation. If pussy
Speaker 4: was running to him, these niggas still are chasing my hunt.
Speaker 4: He told me back in the day, all that snitching
Speaker 4: was dangerous. Nowadays, once you glorified, it makes you famous.
Speaker 4: But I can't fall into the matrix because nowadays doing
Speaker 4: features get you caught up in cases. Little something, little something, say.
Speaker 1: That, yeah that.
Speaker 4: Little We got a lot of music on the way,
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, no, But I appreciate y'all for having me. Man,
Speaker 4: you know, this is one of my favorite shows. I
Speaker 4: remember when y'all first started this joint, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. Like, I was a big fan of this
Speaker 4: show from the beginning to this day. I don't really
Speaker 4: miss the episode. So Man to be here, and you know,
Speaker 4: y'all like fellow bear your natives. Man, we like cousins
Speaker 4: for not for real, y'all did for the for the
Speaker 4: baden years. Man, So it's to be here for a circle.
Speaker 4: Bro to pull up four years ago and be in
Speaker 4: an audience here.
Speaker 1: He watched the show before. Like it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Like I said, from the time we came through the house,
Speaker 2: we smoked, we ate good, we played some music.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Bro, you got it. We just we clicked
Speaker 1: and then was it last year?
Speaker 2: The year before ward, we licensed some of your music
Speaker 2: for something ship we was doing, and he was saying,
Speaker 2: it's like, Bro, he's like, I forgot exactly, like something
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna be on your show soon, I promise.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I know you are I know you are.
Speaker 2: And then come full circle. We're here today and it's
Speaker 2: just the beginning. Man, y'all know you like to talk sports,
Speaker 2: so you gotta come on.
Speaker 1: What's burning? Ship?
Speaker 4: And just that's where we know I'm coming on there,
Speaker 4: y'all gotta leaders Michael Jordan's ship alone. I had enough
Speaker 4: for this ship.
Speaker 1: It ain't gonna happen. I'm getting these boxes.
Speaker 5: Depending if you could be a fly on the wall,
Speaker 5: and and and while any album is getting made in history,
Speaker 5: what album would it be?
Speaker 1: Oh these boxes?
Speaker 4: I would say Kanye West College Dropout.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite. That's one of my favorite albums of
Speaker 1: all time.
Speaker 4: I would say Kanye West College drop Out. That's actually
Speaker 4: the album that like made me like start rapping, like
Speaker 4: about who I was.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 4: I used to try to rap about ship that would
Speaker 4: like please the hood or like please the homies and
Speaker 4: ship like that. When I heard Kanye, I was like, nah,
Speaker 4: he talking about himself. I need to do the same thing.
Speaker 4: Let me beat me.
Speaker 1: So that's one of my favorite show.
Speaker 4: What would be what would be yours me?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Probably me against the world tupac Oh Okay, yeah, I
Speaker 3: would love to.
Speaker 1: Be yeah because I feel I feel I felt like
Speaker 1: that a lot.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I would have wanted to be
Speaker 4: a fly in the room with Pac though, po slapping
Speaker 4: niggas and ship Like yeah, in the.
Speaker 3: Studio, that shit was magic and the ship and the
Speaker 3: ship he's saying still resonates to a lot.
Speaker 1: Of shit with me today.
Speaker 4: Oh no, that you know what I think? Honestly, Like
Speaker 4: to me, Pak is one of the greatest songwriters ever.
Speaker 4: And I'm not just talking about rap songwriter. I'm talking
Speaker 4: about storyteller. Yeah, Like, I think he's one of the
Speaker 4: best because I tell people all the time, like people
Speaker 4: be like Tupac Biggie. Tupac Biggie Biggie was a better
Speaker 4: rapper than pop. Like when it came to cadences and
Speaker 4: metaphors and lyrical ship Biggie was a lot better. But
Speaker 4: when it came to like the songs of what Pac
Speaker 4: was saying, it's like you crowded a ship, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He had a song for every emotion.
Speaker 4: It's like Pac will really make you gonna punch a
Speaker 4: niggas Like you be listening to like Troublesome, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, and like hit him up and I'd
Speaker 4: dared to see somebody I don't like it that ship.
Speaker 4: Come on, I'm about to beat your ass wherever we
Speaker 4: are on site, you know what I mean? Like it's
Speaker 4: it's just different, It's different. Broll on me. That's a
Speaker 4: classic right there.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie to just let me say this
Speaker 3: from because I guess because I'm gonna put out the Texas.
Speaker 3: If I could have heard PMC and be first album,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You know one I would have loved to be in
Speaker 4: the room for two Dream Love Hate? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that's one of the greatest R and B albums.
Speaker 4: Really listening to that album. Yeah, when y'all chilling today,
Speaker 4: everybody here put on Dreams Love Hate and just really
Speaker 4: listen to that ship.
Speaker 1: Is that the album the one he got out there
Speaker 1: living the live of Rihanna album.
Speaker 4: It's the one with like Kenne falsetto play and really
Speaker 4: listening to that album, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, he's just he's a He's a monster behind so
Speaker 2: many people today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with fast.
Speaker 1: Fast call that Rihanna song on that album, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it is, that's on there. It's on there. I know
Speaker 1: my ship now, yeah, you know what I'm saying, especially.
Speaker 4: Rihanna on it. That's Rihanna, that's it. That's a great album.
Speaker 4: I think that's a real underrated. No, it's a classic
Speaker 4: you can't find. I don't think you could find five
Speaker 4: R and B albums better than that album.
Speaker 1: No, fact, it's not that hard. Listen to you. I
Speaker 1: agree that.
Speaker 4: Listen to that ship. Bro, that's a classic right there.
Speaker 2: Pickup game you plus four other hip hop artists.
Speaker 4: Okay, right off the back, I'm picking up Drake. This
Speaker 4: is my team. I'm picking okay, Drake, future young Boy,
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna go Kendrick for more.
Speaker 1: Hold on, you've seen them, hope.
Speaker 4: Oh I'm thinking. I'm thinking, like we have to verse people.
Speaker 1: I know you didn't get the question, okay, because I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You just kidding. What rappers have I seen? Who that
Speaker 4: I would pick the play basketball with you in the
Speaker 4: real game, scrap all fishing my partners. When you say finish,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, like the Wizard is too damn cool.
Speaker 1: Scrap ball. But he said I was like what he said.
Speaker 4: I was like, no, not the Wizard, scrapball, not the Wizard.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say to play basketball, but then Ice
Speaker 2: he kept talking.
Speaker 1: I figured it wasn't basketball. That was his rap group.
Speaker 4: I thought you meant like pick up like rap basketball,
Speaker 4: that's your rap group. I like that wrap that rap crazy. Okay,
Speaker 4: that rap.
Speaker 1: That it's going to break every record known. And they's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: them boys good.
Speaker 4: The boy's good. They got okay basketball Number one, I'm
Speaker 4: going a little dirt, Okay, now be talking. Number two.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Kavo. Number three. I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: with Waka Flocker. I see see Walker guy like that
Speaker 4: junk yard dog dog like you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: you always need a dog. Indeed, Yeah, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Walking. I need one more Jacob.
Speaker 1: You can't perfect Jacobs one.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna run with that. That's my five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he might be the nicest.
Speaker 4: What's your what's your five?
Speaker 1: Mmm? I go Chris Brown number one? Pick he said
Speaker 1: rappers and he rap a little bit. He wrapped to that.
Speaker 1: Nigga is an icon rapper.
Speaker 2: Mine would probably be pretty similar years. I would just
Speaker 2: have Chris Brown on my team for sure, because I
Speaker 2: see I've seen him play, so I was.
Speaker 1: I would switch all that up. Who would you do?
Speaker 3: I would go Davi's he could play okay, ill, I
Speaker 3: will go snoop, oh, snoop.
Speaker 1: He got a basketball, I.
Speaker 2: Q snoop came in time out real quick. He came
Speaker 2: into a Legends event Quevos event and legends out of
Speaker 2: the Mamba academy. Uh and some chucks played hard for
Speaker 2: a quarter, have buckets, a couple of rebounds, came late,
Speaker 2: played the quarter, and then left.
Speaker 4: Commercial.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yeah, I mean he was. He just blesses
Speaker 2: with his presence. He came in hoop for a quarter
Speaker 2: and then.
Speaker 3: Bounced snoop babies and snoops, Davy snoop, Chris Brown, Quavo,
Speaker 3: and probably the game.
Speaker 1: Was okay Chris Brown, game Qua change.
Speaker 4: Tony?
Speaker 1: Who else was?
Speaker 3: It will be my number one pick because I yea,
Speaker 3: I will pick up changed me my number one pick
Speaker 3: because I would hear this ship for the rest of
Speaker 3: my life. Let me go to change me my number
Speaker 3: one pick, y'all, I will never live the question.
Speaker 5: Edit that dog, Well, I say to change yeah, because
Speaker 5: I'm telling.
Speaker 1: You that I never y'all know that I never heard
Speaker 1: I never here. Go ahead and my pott and the Dogs.
Speaker 4: So I like I was just he abused that ship
Speaker 4: heed that change changed change.
Speaker 1: If you can have one guest on All the Smoke,
Speaker 1: who would it be?
Speaker 3: But before you answer, give us your answer, you have
Speaker 3: to help us get your answer on the show.
Speaker 4: So I got it, said it again?
Speaker 1: Who would you like to see on All the Smoke?
Speaker 3: Before you give us your answer, you have to help
Speaker 3: us get your answer on the show.
Speaker 4: He wears bell bottom jeans. That's a lot of people
Speaker 4: these days, man, You know he wears the old school
Speaker 4: bill bottom gan old school bill with leather boots, with
Speaker 4: leather jacket Halloween big leather jackets. And he got a
Speaker 4: bald head with brown eyes. And you played for him
Speaker 4: m J.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, you got to know answer. You heard
Speaker 1: the question. You got to help us get it on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 4: I ain't help you get that. I thought you said,
Speaker 4: I gotta help y'all get that. I gotta give.
Speaker 1: Whoever you think that should be on our show. You
Speaker 1: gotta help us get them on the show. He was
Speaker 1: giving us trivia. Yeah, no, old.
Speaker 2: You think you think make you lose your boxes, You
Speaker 2: make you lose your endorsement, simbl.
Speaker 1: You lose your boxes with m Jack. My face hurts.
Speaker 4: Oh man, I rock with Mike though, Man, I just
Speaker 4: think you get too much credit.
Speaker 1: Can make you lose your boxes, make you lose your box.
Speaker 2: Jack tell you, hey, be the simple stops and not Jack.
Speaker 4: Worry about Jackie. Get you some bronze. Man, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Come on over here to going champion.
Speaker 3: Separate that, Mike, Like my homework came without saying, this
Speaker 3: is the male bloot, this is the female blood.
Speaker 1: Separate. I didn't say it.
Speaker 2: So if you can see a guest on the show,
Speaker 2: but you have to know this person well enough to
Speaker 2: help him come on the show or.
Speaker 1: Her that I had some when you got your phone.
Speaker 6: Oh man, doctor doctor, I was just about to say that,
Speaker 6: doctor to huh, I actually asked we actually we would
Speaker 6: actually appreciate that.
Speaker 1: And you know what, we would even pull up on him. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: But it's on Yah, it's on the on the plane forever.
Speaker 4: Ask for sure, because everybody else I always say, besides.
Speaker 1: Right down, stop right now, doctor d That's all we
Speaker 1: need is good, he said.
Speaker 4: Bron I was going to say, Katie, but you probably
Speaker 4: could get bron on the show before, No doubt that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Matt cam before both.
Speaker 1: Of us and we ran.
Speaker 2: I ran across him a Draymonds when he told me
Speaker 2: three times he was coming on the show.
Speaker 4: Like I didn't even imprompted if he told, you know time,
Speaker 4: but you said right, I asked for sure for yours.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you'll do it right because he's not,
Speaker 4: but I should do his ask.
Speaker 1: Tell Jack and get him some boxes. Just say what's up?
Speaker 4: You know J only rock white air Force ones, but.
Speaker 1: Then it all black, all white. We got gifts.
Speaker 3: Okay, you can't leave here without getting something from all
Speaker 3: the smoke and man escape.
Speaker 1: And all kind of business.
Speaker 4: Okay, now you know what I'm saying. Keep my grass cut. Yeah, ye,
Speaker 4: so you got a lot more two point.
Speaker 1: Oh you my brother since we have the croppers over, yeah,
Speaker 1: he also has the body of Okay, okay, all the smoke.
Speaker 1: What about the ball whites? He didn't get any ball whites.
Speaker 1: All the smoke, all the smoke down store. That's what
Speaker 1: you can share. He appreciates if you you you can get. Hey, man,
Speaker 1: this has been a good show, good day, happy for you.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: When I met you, I heard it and I started
Speaker 2: just telling everybody like he's coming. And you know the
Speaker 2: fact that you're from the Bay. Just happy to see
Speaker 2: you continue to grind and and and like you said,
Speaker 2: inspire others to do the same.
Speaker 1: Definitely keep doing it the right way, bro. So appreciate you.
Speaker 4: Appreciate.
Speaker 2: You know that Jackie got your hands, he got sweaty.
Speaker 2: Stephen Jackson got it smoked. You know you got smoker's palms.
Speaker 2: I'll give you a past. But Jack, she used to
Speaker 2: be Jack.
Speaker 1: I'm good now. He used to kill me. Jack she
Speaker 1: used to have swamp hands. How you figured how? How
Speaker 1: did you fix that?
Speaker 3: Uh don't I don't know, but probably tomorrow next show,
Speaker 3: my hand's gonna be sweating.
Speaker 1: Just because you said that.
Speaker 4: That just means we're finn to get some money. Yeah, goes,
Speaker 4: stick to.
Speaker 1: Your mother hands. Well that's a wrap, man, Simba l A.
Speaker 1: It was a pleasure.
Speaker 2: You can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the
Speaker 2: iHeart platform Black Effects.
Speaker 1: We'll see y'all next week.