WEBVTT - 111123 The Algorithms that Divide Us ft. Theo E. J. Wilson (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>If you're just tuning into civic cipher, I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Ramsey's job. He is rams this job. I am q woard.

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<v Speaker 2>You are tuned in, hopefully tuned back in.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, and we are having a fantastic time and in

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<v Speaker 1>fellowship and becoming educated by the one and only THEO. E. J. Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>a man known for his many viral moments online and

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<v Speaker 1>a man known for his experiments that have yielded some

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<v Speaker 1>results and some insight into what it means to be

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<v Speaker 1>really the victim of an algorithm and to find yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in an echo chamber, which is often the case for

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<v Speaker 1>our especially our far right leaning brothers and sisters. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're having an educational conversation with him, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot more of that in store. In particular,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to get his thoughts on CRT his show

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<v Speaker 1>I was there. We want to talk about that first

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<v Speaker 1>Qasim no U Qasim r A s hi D. He

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<v Speaker 1>is a Pakistani born American author, an activist, and an attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a member of the Democratic Party and he's currently

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<v Speaker 1>running for the Democratic nomination for Illinois eleventh Congressional District

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty twenty four. Kasim Rashid is a human rights

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<v Speaker 1>immigrated from Pakistan to the United States when he was five.

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<v Speaker 1>As a child, Cassim grew up in Section eight housing

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<v Speaker 1>of this guy. But he is a very measured man,

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<v Speaker 1>very I believe to be compassionate at least based on

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<v Speaker 1>All right, back to the lecture at hand, to quote

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<v Speaker 1>the one and only Snoop Dogg, mister.

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<v Speaker 2>Great philosopher Snoop, the great philosopher Snoop Dogg, mister THEO. E. J.

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson. Okay, So decolonizing the narrative.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm. That is.

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<v Speaker 1>A very eloquent way to say what I know that

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<v Speaker 1>you've been saying. But you know, for the benefit of

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<v Speaker 1>our listeners, give them a little bit about what that

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<v Speaker 1>means and where that comes from.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you can't have colonialization without a narrative that supports it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a manifest destiny holdover. We are dealing with the

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<v Speaker 3>fallout of ahistorical society as as as America truly is.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the land of forgetten brother, This is the

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<v Speaker 3>land where even white folks was beating out of speaking

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<v Speaker 3>their native language. Don't you speak that German, that Gaelic,

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<v Speaker 3>that Polist, that Italian? Right? Let alone what happened to

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<v Speaker 3>black folks? Let alone happened to the indigenous folks and

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<v Speaker 3>then boarding schools. And so we have a narrative that

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<v Speaker 3>has been put in place that we have been lowed

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<v Speaker 3>asleep by.

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<v Speaker 1>And you got to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>If you are somebody who slaughtered a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>indigenous folks and whipped a whole bunch of Africans, how

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<v Speaker 3>do you sleep at night? How do you sleep at night?

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<v Speaker 3>You have to fabricate a bedtime story that makes it

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<v Speaker 3>easier for you and your children to fall asleep. Knowing

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<v Speaker 3>that there are so many black and indigenous bodies under

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<v Speaker 3>the empire and specifically critical race theory, let's talk about it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like or, which is not what we're dealing with. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it's all for the sixteen nineteen projects. It's American history,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's all the American history. Right, it's been called

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<v Speaker 3>indoctrination by those who have been indoctrinated, and specifically they

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<v Speaker 3>were indoctrinated by military Rutherford and the Daughters of the

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<v Speaker 3>American Confederacy.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, say it.

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<v Speaker 3>The Daughters of the American Confederacy. They are the only

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<v Speaker 3>ones to lose a war and win the narrative. And

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<v Speaker 3>this was a movement started way back during the reconstruction

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<v Speaker 3>era to frame the South in a better light. And

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<v Speaker 3>the Daughters of the American Confederacy are the only ones

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<v Speaker 3>to have power to rewrite the history books of the

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<v Speaker 3>North and the South. And so by the time we

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<v Speaker 3>get to the time that my parents were in school,

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<v Speaker 3>it's no coincidence that there was like a page and

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<v Speaker 3>a half about slavery, and everything was about George Washington

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<v Speaker 3>chopping down the cherry tree. They even took Northern history

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<v Speaker 3>and removed the bodies from it. Right. And the Daughters

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<v Speaker 3>of American Confederacy, they've had children's camps, they've had literal

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I mean dance songs. They preserved like anti

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<v Speaker 3>Bellum history in paintings. There's these friendly portraits of Roberty

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<v Speaker 3>Lee reading books to children, right, and they've had the

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<v Speaker 3>run of the day up and until now. Where they

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<v Speaker 3>got folks who are their descendants. Who are we writing

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<v Speaker 3>history books in the state of Texas calling black folks

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<v Speaker 3>involuntary immigrants?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we talk about that quite a bit, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>you got.

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<v Speaker 3>To know where it came from. And like most people

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<v Speaker 3>who are against critical race theory have no idea about

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<v Speaker 3>Mildred Rutherford and the daughters of the American Confederacy and

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<v Speaker 3>how she is responsible for the indoctrination that we are

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<v Speaker 3>fighting to break with narratives like the sixteen nineteen project

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<v Speaker 3>that's decolonizing the narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, that is a masterful explanation. And what I've learned,

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<v Speaker 1>Cull chime in here. What I've learned is that when

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<v Speaker 1>you have a degree of eloquence to a statement, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>brevity and eloquence. I think that intersection, it moves the needle,

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<v Speaker 1>It gets people interested. Not to say that it won't

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<v Speaker 1>be challenged, but I think that it can go a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit further. And Q brought up a great point.

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<v Speaker 1>I firmly believe in a lot of in principle what

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<v Speaker 1>the movement defund the police stands for. I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>there's the ideas have a lot of merit, but the packaging,

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<v Speaker 1>the freezing, and this was Q's position, go ahead, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there was.

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<v Speaker 2>The resistance was so prepared for a statement like defund

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<v Speaker 2>the police. They got to jump on that and make

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<v Speaker 2>it sound like we were all doomed if something like

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<v Speaker 2>this was to come to pass. Even though if they

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<v Speaker 2>gave you bullet points of everything that defund the police

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<v Speaker 2>meant and wanted to accomplish, most intelligent people would.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, you know, those are some good ideas. It might right,

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<v Speaker 1>but defund the police.

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<v Speaker 2>The packaging, the marketing turned people off so fast that

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<v Speaker 2>we even got to get to the meat of what

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to be accomplished.

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<v Speaker 1>At least a lot of individuals never got to that point.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that that packaging made it easy for those

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<v Speaker 2>who opposed it to oppose it was just well, let

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<v Speaker 2>me I heard it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, man, I wish we could have said

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<v Speaker 1>that different or better.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And how I would have said it is deburden

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<v Speaker 3>the police. There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why I'm a fan of lightening their load.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a fan of light just lightning load. And here's

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<v Speaker 2>why it becomes relevant to I was there because we filmed.

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<v Speaker 2>I was there in Minneapolis, and that you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>was housed for the filming fourteen minutes away from George

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<v Speaker 2>Floyd's Square. During the entire filming of that, and on

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<v Speaker 2>my off days, I would hang out in George Floyd's

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<v Speaker 2>Square with the sister who's in charge of that, her

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<v Speaker 2>name is Janelle, and we talked about what it was

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<v Speaker 2>to live in a community police zone and what we

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<v Speaker 2>were really trying to get. In fact, when I was there,

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<v Speaker 2>no pun intended. In Minneapolis filming.

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<v Speaker 3>The ballot measure to actually disband the police was voted on, which,

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<v Speaker 3>of course that ballot measure failed. But it's literally all

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<v Speaker 3>about the fact that, you know, we don't call the

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<v Speaker 3>fire men to take the kidnapt the tree no more.

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<v Speaker 3>They not for that. Right here in Denver, we have

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<v Speaker 3>and Ramsey's posted about this, not the I think it's stars,

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<v Speaker 3>but we have ride alongs with mental health professionals that

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<v Speaker 3>when it is a mental health call and somebody is

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<v Speaker 3>in crisis, they get out the car first. The police

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<v Speaker 3>is there just in case it hits the fan. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if I can curse here, but just in

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<v Speaker 3>case things hit the fan, right because their burden is

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<v Speaker 3>too heavy. They are a hammer. Everything looks like a nail,

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<v Speaker 3>and so you can't be surprised when they end up

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<v Speaker 3>smashing stuff. So deburdening the police, dispersing the their responsibilities

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<v Speaker 3>so that they can focus on the things that we

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<v Speaker 3>really need them for, like interceding when a mass shooter,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, takes place, which they failed in uv all day,

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<v Speaker 3>but they picked up. Actually, if you've been looking, people

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<v Speaker 3>like these police officers are, we're not going to beat

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<v Speaker 3>uvald APD, right, So that's what we need cops for. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll end my diatribe with this. I got locked

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<v Speaker 3>up in Florida when I was an undergrad. I was

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<v Speaker 3>actually protesting on behalf of Palestine back when I was

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<v Speaker 3>in college. I'll get there, you how dare I see

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<v Speaker 3>what's really happening? But when I was locked up, I

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and I mean these cups were super tight.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember they come into this bar and holding cell

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<v Speaker 3>and I just listened to the police and these were

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<v Speaker 3>working class Joe's working too many hours, not getting paid enough,

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<v Speaker 3>And what the cops were talking about was just like

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<v Speaker 3>I need more money to make ends meet, and this

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<v Speaker 3>job I have ain't cutting it. So when those working

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<v Speaker 3>class joes who have the job of policing her defund

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<v Speaker 3>the police, it was like, I'm already not making enough

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<v Speaker 3>as it is, and that's the bird. And that's how

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<v Speaker 3>literal wording something can change the outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so this is why I was again a fan

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<v Speaker 1>of the way that you know that that kept coming

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<v Speaker 1>up in our our earlier conversations at decolonizing the narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's do this. I really do want you to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about I was there where people can go and

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<v Speaker 1>get that check that out, you know, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that we plug that. So so let's do

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<v Speaker 1>that before we move to this next part.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Now, basically this is a History Channel special. It's

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<v Speaker 3>twelve part twelve episodes on History dot com and if

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<v Speaker 3>you just type in the search button I was there,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll see me in a trench code with a really

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<v Speaker 3>bad background. It's amazing what they did with that show.

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<v Speaker 3>I got that show in the middle of the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro.

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<v Speaker 3>I have an agent that I attracted from the Ted

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<v Speaker 3>Talk to do nonfiction television, and this agent slid this

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<v Speaker 3>project on my desk. They said, we need somebody who

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<v Speaker 3>can carry a show. We need somebody with on camera charisma,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's not necessarily a big name, and we think

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<v Speaker 3>you should audition for this. So when I auditioned for it,

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<v Speaker 3>they was like, what you know about history? And they

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<v Speaker 3>gave me like five examples, And I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 3>my five examples blew everybody out of the park. But

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<v Speaker 3>as a history buff already kind of, I had already

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<v Speaker 3>been lecturing at the college level, and with the other things,

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<v Speaker 3>including a background in stunts, I used to actually get

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<v Speaker 3>trained and beat how to be a stunt man for

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<v Speaker 3>the movies because the show is quite physical sometimes. It

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<v Speaker 3>all led to me getting the part, and I was

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<v Speaker 3>able to help in writing four episodes when it came

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<v Speaker 3>to historical correctness, which made me an asset to the team.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a bunch of folks who really want to

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<v Speaker 3>do the right thing at the History Channel, including talks

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<v Speaker 3>that I was in about decolonizing the narrative, and so

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<v Speaker 3>great folks I was there, History dot Com.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it understood. Okay, So I did want to ask

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<v Speaker 1>this strange question. Okay. One of the things that comes

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<v Speaker 1>up for me and Q at least uh is that

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<v Speaker 1>you know we're activists, but we work in a broadcast space,

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<v Speaker 1>and so people ask us a lot of times, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what inspires your creative approach, your novel approach to activism. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you are the sort of person that we feel those

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<v Speaker 1>things apply to. We only do this because we this

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<v Speaker 1>is what we do. You know, we're broadcasters. If if

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<v Speaker 1>there was no need for black people to fight for

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<v Speaker 1>equity in this country, we'd still be giving away CARDIB tickets.

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<v Speaker 1>No problem there. We were having the time of our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>We did this because it was necessary, an extension of

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<v Speaker 1>our profession. But we get asked that question a lot

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't ever have a really good answer for it.

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<v Speaker 1>But in your case, I've seen you flex your creative

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<v Speaker 1>muscles again, primarily with the story, the origin story at

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<v Speaker 1>least for you, and my view of going underground and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of learning how algorithms work and how this divide

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<v Speaker 1>has been established and is still growing in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess my question, to make it as succinct

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<v Speaker 1>as I can, is what inspires your novel approach to activism?

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<v Speaker 1>Your unique brand of activism? Where does that come from?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that all of this, to me is spiritual

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<v Speaker 3>to a certain extent. Okay, when I was at Florida

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<v Speaker 3>A and M University. It's when I kind of shook

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<v Speaker 3>off my last bit of Christian doctrination and found the

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<v Speaker 3>metaphor behind all the religious hubbuh. And this was a

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<v Speaker 3>time in which I was expanding artistically.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>My roommate was a rapper, and he was a battle rapper,

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<v Speaker 3>so he was, you know, dropping bars about you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, shooting brothers up and whatnot. But man, he

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<v Speaker 3>was creative and I started getting into rap because of him.

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<v Speaker 3>And slowly, over time that evolved in the spoken word,

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<v Speaker 3>and I realized that I will never write a poem

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<v Speaker 3>greater than I am. I have to evolve to a

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<v Speaker 3>certain level in order for me to be a certain

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<v Speaker 3>level of impactful with my art. So this was a

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<v Speaker 3>spiritual thing that I expressed through my art. And that

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<v Speaker 3>journey began at Florida A and M University. And I

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<v Speaker 3>noticed that there's a lot of times spiritual stuff wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>touched in the ground. It was high for Lutin. It

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<v Speaker 3>seemed philosophical but boring. I wanted to see if I

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<v Speaker 3>could make my art be impactful in the real world.

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<v Speaker 3>Now after college, I got beat up by the cops

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<v Speaker 3>horrible story, but in regaining my footing, in regaining even

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<v Speaker 3>my masculinity, even regaining my sense of identity, poetry was

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<v Speaker 3>paramount in that. And so all of this began as

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<v Speaker 3>an exercise in figuring out the most impactful way to

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<v Speaker 3>be a spoken word artist.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, OK, so.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll say that one of my professors at Florida University,

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<v Speaker 3>doctor Dana Dinard, he said, speaking to brothers' minds is

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<v Speaker 3>not enough. You have to speak to their souls. And

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, what does that look like? How what's

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<v Speaker 3>the mechanism behind that? And that's really all I was

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<v Speaker 3>trying to uncover. So there's many ways of which I

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<v Speaker 3>do that, but the ability to articulate the idea, to

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<v Speaker 3>create not just a good feeling, but a paradigm shift

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<v Speaker 3>was what I practiced as a slam poet, and that

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<v Speaker 3>skill carried over into activism and journalism.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what happens. I appreciate the response because what

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<v Speaker 1>happens is there are a lot of people who listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the show every week, and you know, they they

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<v Speaker 1>wonder what more can they do, and they don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how they can make an impact or whatever. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that your story and to a degree, our story.

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<v Speaker 1>It illuminates just kind of starting where you are and

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<v Speaker 1>doing what you can with the gifts that you have

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<v Speaker 1>available to you. And you know it takes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>every everything to move everything forward. But obviously a person

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<v Speaker 1>with such a visible platform, you know, and and a

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<v Speaker 1>wider audience, those sorts of questions, I think that they

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<v Speaker 1>translate to our listeners, our more active listeners, especially in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that's really meaningful and impactful. So I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>your response. Now, you mentioned something. We've been talking about

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<v Speaker 1>this on the show as well. You mentioned, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're protesting once upon a time what was going on

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<v Speaker 1>in Palestine and Q and I we do our best

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<v Speaker 1>what was and is there? It is, yeah, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we have been doing our best to be responsible journalists

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<v Speaker 1>and to respect, you know, all of our brothers and

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<v Speaker 1>sisters that we share this planet with, regardless of their faith.

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<v Speaker 1>And for a person like you who has a long

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<v Speaker 1>standing appreciation for what's been going on over there, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>admit that I'm new to this conversation. I want to ask.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel it's important to ask, what are your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on what's going on in Gaza as of late?

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<v Speaker 3>We are watching a paradigm shift, and we are watching

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<v Speaker 3>the bill come do for Western imperialism. And what I

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<v Speaker 3>mean by that is that for the last eighty years,

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<v Speaker 3>the rightful compassion for Jewish people, after surviving the Holocaust

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<v Speaker 3>and losing what was that two thirds, almost of all

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<v Speaker 3>Jews in Europe bought the experiment of Israel a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of good will and humanity. That will is running out

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<v Speaker 3>as we speak, and it is because of the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that in doing so, a devil's bargain was struck. In

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<v Speaker 3>partnering with the British Empire long before nineteen forty eight,

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<v Speaker 3>long before there was a Nakba right, which is what

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<v Speaker 3>the Palestinians called their great tragedy when seven hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 3>of them were displaced. Zionism targeted Palestine, but it did

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<v Speaker 3>it in a time of imperialism. And the author of

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<v Speaker 3>the first book about Zionism, whose name was Theodore Herzel,

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<v Speaker 3>who wrote an Austro Hungarian the Judenstadt, which is the

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<v Speaker 3>Jewish State, first articulated Gavid legs and in eighteen ninety

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<v Speaker 3>seven Hell the first Zionist conference, and he jockeyed all

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<v Speaker 3>over Europe for a colonial partner. Is where it was

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<v Speaker 3>always supposed to be under the protectorate militarily of a

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<v Speaker 3>colonial power.

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<v Speaker 1>And so.

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<v Speaker 3>In that devil's bargain, a seed was planted and it

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<v Speaker 3>could only create fruit that grew after its own kind.

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<v Speaker 3>And now we are in harvest. Now we are seeing

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<v Speaker 3>this time and space has created this birth that we

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<v Speaker 3>are watching. This is what this has been all along.

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<v Speaker 3>And I will say that the humanity of the Jewish

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<v Speaker 3>people is challenged by the inhumanity of how is real

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<v Speaker 3>was caused to exist, not the idea of Israel. See

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<v Speaker 3>eat me As a Garvyite, sometimes I can understand and

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<v Speaker 3>oppress people needing a home. As a Garvyite, sometime I

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<v Speaker 3>can understand how wanting a place to call your own

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<v Speaker 3>is a thing that all of us in the diaspora

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<v Speaker 3>can appreciate. But the fact is the colonial side of

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<v Speaker 3>the experiment has been denied to even Jewish folks themselves

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<v Speaker 3>and those of us who sympathize. It's making itself nakedly

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<v Speaker 3>clear and sadly that do was coming, that bill is

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<v Speaker 3>coming due in blood.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I had a question, but you spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>everything I wanted to ask, that that goodwill didn't just

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<v Speaker 2>run out it was misused in a very very unfortunately brother, Yes, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>in a very very you know, manipulative way, right right. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>always feels like we never have enough time on this show.

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<v Speaker 2>That just means we got to keep talking. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we have I hope we can beg j'all come back

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<v Speaker 2>and talk to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro. Yes, indeed, thank you mister Wilson for your time today.

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize that it took so long, but we have

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<v Speaker 1>a full on We're on over seventy radio stations, so

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<v Speaker 1>for those of you who've been listening to the show

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time, we appreciate your support. We are nationwide.

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<v Speaker 1>And then oh yeah, way back again time. Yes indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is Civic Socer once again. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Ramsey's job. He is Rams' job. I am q Ward.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys are listening to the Civic Cipher. Welcome to some,

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